@@freddimon94that seems like a terrible idea. You need to give a description of yourself and say you had to defend yourself from a threat of deadly force, and that you are a victim, describe yourself and your location, then stay on the line for further instructions but don’t answer further probing questions.
@@ItsShatter thank you. Not telling police who discharged a firearm is felony obstruction. 5th amendment applies to your process of justice. Not to run cops around in circles looking for a gun fight. You tell the 911 operator " I was just attacked, I defended myself, my attacker is down. I need police and and ambulance. I dont know how bad I'm hurt. INSERT LOCATION ADDRESS."
Technicals only, no specifics There, your legal non-lawyer advice from who's been handed back his firearm more than once while not on the job. Didn't even need a badge.
The advice my EDC insurer offers for after a shooting (which does appear to be sage advice) is to call the police to report that you're the victim of a crime, call for help for yourself and/or the attacker, give location and describe yourself, and then inform dispatch that you've got to call your lawyer so you're hanging up (and if you prefer, add "I'll answer any further questions as soon as my attorney gets here"), and then HANG UP AND CALL YOUR ATTORNEY.
@@ItsShatter Then unless you've called your EDC insurance plan lawyer before calling 911, you're gonna be at a real disadvantage when the cavalry finally arrives. Once dispatch has the where , what and who, there's no further need to keep them on. They're not a security blanket.
@@richardefriend well if they let you go/ give permission then that’s one thing, but if you hang up on them before they’ve been able to fully assess / get an accurate understanding of the scene they are sending officers towards then that could put your life in danger.
@@ItsShatter I agree too many people call the police with bad information misinformation and they are taking a risk of being shot especially in a case where somebody's already been shot. The other aspect is what have you got to hide why are you in such a hurry to hang up on the dispatcher?
You said in another video that you have to call 911, inform of your location and situation, ask for help and not answer more questions. What have changed now?
Yeah but, what if you're out in public with other people around. Shouldn't you secure the attacker's weapon so someone else can't 🤔 That's not something I'd leave laying on the ground around people I don't know, that could potentially be a threat as well...
You can move the weapon out of the immediate reach of the person that you just used force against so you can secure the scene and the weapon is no longer in play.
BECAUSE: 911 calls are recorded & will be used as evidence to charge you and be played at trial. The Operator is NOT the person you need to tell this to, the Investigating Officers and Interrogators are. That simple phrase recorded in a 911 call can and most likely will be twisted in every way possible to create the narrative that you weren’t cooperating and obstructing the investigation from the very beginning. This why he explains what you should say, what info to give during the call and nothing more. EVERY single word you say will be dissected and can be twisted to fit the prosecutors narrative of “Your crime” during the incident.
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My father knew a guy that owned a big pawn shop in Vegas that shot and killed a robber as the robber was exiting. He was found innocent after a few years of legal battles. I imagine it would be difficult to stop firing once a person started pulling that trigger. Sheesh.
Yeah they got a place called prison for people that have a hard time stopping what they're doing when they're wrong. We had the same thing with a simple assault. Some kids were hanging out in the alley playing the radio and an old guy came out with a board and threatened them and told them to get out of the alley and quit playing music. They took the board away from the old guy. That eliminated the threat then they beat the old guy with the board. That's where they became the criminals. If you get work up and shoot the wrong guy or shoot at somebody that's not a threat anymore that's running away man you can be in some trouble. You should be in trouble for these things because when there's no threat to you you're a risk to everybody that you might do something with a pistol nobody claims they can do MISS
@@markmcgoveran6811 always the hindsight larry coming around speaking like they have any experience in these situations. You haven't been in a life or death situation, so don't speak on it.
@@tilled6695 I'm not sure how you got your panties in such a bunch so you can't really see that you have no idea what anybody else on here has or has it done. But there was an old boy named Hitler and he didn't like it first amendment free speech for everybody I paid for this and now some mooching bum wants to say I shouldn't come in after I bought the comment slot with an equal right as every other citizen to use the comment slot after they pay for it. Our constitution puts the burden of ignoring everyone else that has a less than appealing message. Very self-confident in your opinion. Not very good at math probably just accounting. you've come out directly against the first amendment. Why? are you squeamish about life and death?
@@tilled6695 yeah man a lot of my family was in a life and death situation and they shot a lot of people like you that thought everybody else would shut up but themselves and it looks like this is going to happen again everybody's going to keep telling everybody to shut up and everybody's going to keep demanding there constitutional rights and violating the other person's rights disrespecting the other person's rights. The second amendment wasn't put into place so clowns like you could shoot people who exercise their right to the first amendment. If you're going around telling people to shut up how are you backing that up? Oh one of them guys it's a tough guy with a pistol kind of a come later Larry after all the dust is settled and puff out his chest and tell us how brave he is. You see it all the time people shooting through a door at somebody that they don't even know who's there because people have got them so worked up about the second amendment it's the only amendment they know.
The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
i would add that when you see flashing lights and hear the cops showing up. that is the time to have your gun on the floor and your hands in plain view. the cops are showing up to a shooting. guy on the phone only saying " i dont know " you dont want them to see you as a threat that needs to be put down.
For the second one. Would you not move the weapon away from the threat after the incident just in case they are faking/come to and try to use it on you. I always thought in an incident that it would be a good idea/common practice to kick the weapon away from the person just in case. But picking it up would definitely be a bad idea
Thank you, Kevin. This is the best summary on the topic that I've been able to find. I will do my beat ro keep it in mind and pray that I never need it.
*911* "Hello, there has been a self defense shooting. I need police and ambulance at ("address"), the attacker has (x) wounds and is disabled, the situation is now safe, goodbye"
What about using a big bore caliber that’s designed for killing large dangerous animals. For example 400 grain 454 cassull maximum expansion round where 1 shot and attackers body is in pieces
The eternal quote from Saul Goodman after Badger got arrested. “What did you say? Did you say anything stupid? And by anything stupid, I mean anything at all.”
stuff that should be covered... having worked as an officer of the law for thirty years... many times #1) crooks are under the influence that break into homes.. #2) they aren't always alone, perhaps an awaiting crook nearby in a vehicle. Having said that people who are under the influence from speed to PCP show or have enormous amounts of strength with many times running on adrenaline and the drug itself meaning that even if the person is shot... that doesn't necessarily mean that the threat has been stopped! As a general rule #1) I've taken the weapon OUT of the perpetrator's hand(s) and away from the body once making sure that this threat has been neutralized and when available have handcuffed the person and then make sure that this person isn't alone and then check vital while having someone call 911! there are some other habits that should be learned when dealing with breakins... ty..
Meanwhile police can magdump and mp5 into a fleeing vehicle with no repercussions......for clarification I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to magdump a criminal, I'm saying I should be able to just like the cops. For context 👇🏻 ua-cam.com/video/UM0MXrNj9P0/v-deo.html
The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
@@BigJon410 I'm aware of that, I think I should have the same right. If a criminal breaks into my home and I confront him and he flees I should be able to mag dump him as he flees.....ya know, for the good of the community. My problem with the law is that police almost always can fire well beyond "the threat has stopped" and it's A-ok but like the video says if I do it then I'm the aggressor. I've seen several dozens if not hundreds of videos of police firing 30, 40, 50 rounds at a suspect. I don't have a problem with that, I just think I should be able to do it too.
I have applied for a concealed carry permit in Colorado. I will also order a small, discreet body cam. They can run for several hours (battery and recording time). I'll just start it up every time I leave the house. If I am involved in a self-defense incident, I am undecided whether to turn the recording over to the cops or say nothing and turn it over to my attorney for him to deliver a copy to the cops. Evidence in the hands of the police can mysteriously "disappear". Especially if it shows you are innocent.
You kind of missed the point moving evidence is beyond lying by about a factor of 10. If they ask you how many times you shot like you did one of the guys in your scenarios and you say three and there were five shots fired that's lying. When you change the evidence that's way past lying.
I have been a USCCA member since 5/26/2022. I prey to GOD that I never am forced into a self defense scenario. Any time I leave my house, I am hyper aware of my surroundings. If I can run, that's preferable to getting into a gunfight. I used to carry an 8shot 1911style pistol in.45acp. But, because criminals do run in packs, I changed to a high capacity 9mm. Everyone who carries a pistol, should also carry pepper spray and an individual first aid kit ON YOUR BELT. It does absolutely no good if your medical kit is sitting in your vehicle.
QUESTION: I have a few Qs but here's one: I'd be interested in a video about the attacker running from you, however, they are running to retrieve a weapon. Perhaps you know there's a giant machete, a gun you saw earlier in the day, etc. Perhaps there's something that could be used to hurt or kill you, and the attacker happens to be running *in the direction* of that weapon. Then what?
Hmm, why then when police shoot and kill a suspect, do they continue to dump their mags? We've all seen that, even with multiple officers on one subject.
Before I watch the video I want to try and guess. “What is the worst thing you can do following a self defense shooting?” Talk to the cops. NEVER talk to the cops without your attorney present.
After my incident I had to be asked if I was OK and my anwser was do you see blood on me? Because I don't know. And at the time I wasn't sure of anything other then what had just happened.
Question for a next What would you do? Or should you do if you come home late at night after work and notice that strangers entered your house, but your family is sleeping and they haven't noticed the situation yet?
One thing my instructors told me is that after the self defense incident occurs is to call the cops and tell them theirs been a shooting at "this address" I need 2 ambulances. Then immediately hang up the phone to call your lawyer/attorney.
Good advice So often these types of videos do not give good advice for those involved in these incidents who will then have to be involved in the criminal Justice system This video gives great advice and sound information
This video ,ua-cam.com/video/mBkI-ze75Q4/v-deo.html, clearly shows a man shoot a potential attacker in the back, at least 2 times, as the potential attacker is fleeing. Is this the exception to the rule?
No state has a statute that requires you make a 911 call. An "excited utterance" will be played to a jury. Never call 911. Have someone else call 911 at your direction.
You can never shoot at someone who is running away. If an attacker is in range and still has the weapon in a position to attack you they are still a threat.
In regards to providing first aid, say I have shot someone and they now have a sucking chest wound. I have on hand chest flap kits and believe the threat was no longer present and they will likely die if first aid is not started immediately. I have now cut open this persons shirt and/or repositioned the body to provide first aid. How could this look if they do still die but my "tampering" was in an attempt to provide aid?
DON’T treat them!! If you had to fire, you need to be prepared that they may very well die and live with this. Rendering aide to your attacker IS NOT going to help your defense in any way, and may make things worse for you in the end. And may also make you vulnerable and unsafe while giving said aide. The injured attacker may reengage or his buddies or anyone nearby while your attention is focused on treating your attacker.
Be skilled , be accurate, be practiced. YES you can despite popular belief train to be that John Wick , ok maybe not but DAMN close. All you have to do is put enough passion into training EVERY WEEK, and yeah spend ALOT of money doing it. If you do this , there will be no need for more than 3 shots or 6. Depending on the number of attackers and the situation. But simply any single interaction should be non stress routine fast and aggressive. You maintain your mental stability under stress because you are practiced and trained.
Another thing it might be helpful Kevin, like you said before another videos out the evidence showcasing stuff like that because he can get caught in the first responders shoes, but other than that make no statements without talking to an attorney
Your very first point is why I would never suggest shooting until your empty like most people say. You shoot till the threat is gone. And no more. In my case it was 3 shots. If my 3rd would have hit it would have been a difficult argument for self defense because the guy was starting to retreat. But in the heat of the moment the reaction time from see deadly threat to this person is no longer a threat can take a longer time then deciding the person was a threat in the first place. That is why alot of attackers are shot in the back. Because the threat leaving hasn't registered yet. And in most cases you don't realize it but your in a state of shock.
But if the person you shot STILL has a weapon, he is a danger to others and the threat has not been stopped. Just because he running away from YOU doesn't mean he is no longer a threat to somebody else.
This is only for police officers: The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
NOT LEGAL ADVICE: But if the reloads aren’t illegal projectiles (I.E. Hollow Points in NJ, etc.) then the real concern is the DA’s possible multiple narratives about the ammo and your “intent” revolving around you reloading your own ammo.
I would think the first aid after you shoot the person would be very suspect. You may have a witness say that first you shot him and then you finished him off.
Question for a next video. What would you do? Or should you do if you come home late at night after work and notice that strangers entered your house, but your family is sleeping and they haven't noticed the situation yet?
I would personally walk in with my pistol drawn the whole time, call the cops and let them know people are in your home and go in and save your family. I would sweep the house room by room until the threat was eliminated and my family was safe. Then definitely ask for a lawyer, not say anything to the cops until I've spoken with my attorney first. And then only with my attorney present and under his advice would I answer any questions period.
In THIS scenario I would call 911, give them the pertinent info, put the phone in my pocket while starting inside to try to get to my family and protect them. Sorry but you just don’t have time in this scenario to wait… better Me shot/injured/killed trying to get to them than standing back doing nothing while waiting how ever long for L.E. BUT this is what I would do…. YOU have to decide what actions you would take. This is a moral situation and maybe very large legal grey area!
a different circumstance. preventing an assailant from reaquiring a weapon means the situation is still ongoing, when that threat is no longer a threat don't touch anything, just makes it easier to prove your innocence. especially if you don't get your fingerprints on their weapon.
I’ve got a question. Post using ur firearm in self defense, if the aggressor had a firearm and there are people around, what do you do with the aggressors firearm? Leave it there, and watch it, clear it, or ignore it?
Don't touch it. That's evidence. Leave it there. That's what Kevin just explained. Also law enforcement is going to confiscate your firearm as well because you were just in a shooting. Remember that.
What if the perpetrator has their back to you while running away into cover, but visibly has a ranged weapon in his hand, could it be argued that person is still a threat?
Get some training! Check out the story of the Chevron station clerk in California. He was killed while chasing and shooting at a robber who was running away. When the attacker is running away, use the time to get behind cover and observe.
@Papi Maximus I'm not sure why this scenario is implausible, Active Self Protection has several tapes showing that people do not drop what's in their hands when in panic.
I work in the back of the warehouse for the company I work for. I have a few escape routes. My question is do I go to my car and grab my fire arm to subdue the active shooter or do I run to the business behind where I work and have them call for help? Which one would save more lives?
Go to the business behind the warehouse. Take cover and call the police. If you go get your firearm and go back and engage the situation your not covered under the law. Remember the law only covers you as a legally armed citizen. Call law enforcement. Never create a situation for yourself by engaging a threat.
After the minimal facts required: I’m here at (location), there’s been a self defense/active shooter situation, “shots fired”. “Shooter is down/has fled the area, threat is eliminated, people require medical assistance”. There is a “legally armed citizen” on site who DOES NOT pose a threat and WILL COMPLY with Law Enforcement! Send police and ambulance, I don’t have any further info at this time!! (If necessary)… I’ve given you ALL the pertinent info to dispatch help…. Then hang up!!!
Would you include what clothes you are wearing if you were the one defending your life or others, Charles? That could make responding officers aware that you are not the bad guy!
@@USCCAOfficial YES (whether I was able to remain on scene or not). This is important info that only serves to further aide in my safety when Officers arrive (slipped my mind). And the bit you added about “I was forced to defend myself”… that gives them the info while not compromising my legal defense and serves to quickly further the investigation w/o making an official statement until my attorney is present.
As Kevin mentioned and both him and Tom keep stressing… I am calm, collected, & analytically thinking and processing atm. I missed an essential piece of info for my safety. With extremely high levels of adrenaline, dopamines, and endorphins going off after a traumatic experience this is VITAL info that you NEED to think about, memorize, and mentally prepare yourself for constantly ahead of time!!
@@USCCAOfficial YES. I take this very seriously. Heaven forbid I have to pull that trigger ever! But IF I do (I have real world emergency response / public safety training & experience… I know how I am capable of responding in a life threatening situation), last thing I want/need are more legal complications caused by something I failed to do/say correctly. Or worse even still something I did that I shouldn’t have or something I said that I shouldn’t have. I sure as hell don’t want to be the idiot incriminating myself! I absolutely will be seeking counsel, & properly, respectfully invoking my rights!
I can always learn something valuable from USCCA videos. A proud member here. Thank you.
Right me too. Being a member help gives me peace of mind.
You tell dispatch to send medical and police then you shut up till you have legal representation.
My ccw instructor said to call 911, tell them there’s been a shooting, and HANG UP the phone
@@freddimon94 and shut up shut up shut up.
Call for help and shut up until you get your lawyer!
@@freddimon94that seems like a terrible idea. You need to give a description of yourself and say you had to defend yourself from a threat of deadly force, and that you are a victim, describe yourself and your location, then stay on the line for further instructions but don’t answer further probing questions.
@@ItsShatter thank you. Not telling police who discharged a firearm is felony obstruction. 5th amendment applies to your process of justice. Not to run cops around in circles looking for a gun fight. You tell the 911 operator " I was just attacked, I defended myself, my attacker is down. I need police and and ambulance. I dont know how bad I'm hurt. INSERT LOCATION ADDRESS."
Worse thing after? Talking to anyone without a lawyer present.
A confident lawyer at that.
Live streaming??? And laughing....
I thought the gun was your lawyer?
Technicals only, no specifics
There, your legal non-lawyer advice from who's been handed back his firearm more than once while not on the job. Didn't even need a badge.
Understand that you need to verbally invoke your rights. Just staying silent gets you and obstruction charge.
The advice my EDC insurer offers for after a shooting (which does appear to be sage advice) is to call the police to report that you're the victim of a crime, call for help for yourself and/or the attacker, give location and describe yourself, and then inform dispatch that you've got to call your lawyer so you're hanging up (and if you prefer, add "I'll answer any further questions as soon as my attorney gets here"), and then HANG UP AND CALL YOUR ATTORNEY.
Advice I’ve heard was never to hang up on dispatch. Stay on the line to follow instructions, but refuse to answer questions.
@@ItsShatter Then unless you've called your EDC insurance plan lawyer before calling 911, you're gonna be at a real disadvantage when the cavalry finally arrives. Once dispatch has the where , what and who, there's no further need to keep them on. They're not a security blanket.
@@richardefriend well if they let you go/ give permission then that’s one thing, but if you hang up on them before they’ve been able to fully assess / get an accurate understanding of the scene they are sending officers towards then that could put your life in danger.
@@ItsShatter From what I've seen, dispatch ends up sending only partial or inaccurate information to responding officers anyway.
@@ItsShatter I agree too many people call the police with bad information misinformation and they are taking a risk of being shot especially in a case where somebody's already been shot. The other aspect is what have you got to hide why are you in such a hurry to hang up on the dispatcher?
Don't say anything to Police without a lawyer.
This should be top comment... DONT talk to the police!
Are you financially prepared for such a situation?
So I guess gutting and dressing out the perp for home canning is defiantly out of the question?
1- Talk to the cops without an attorney present.
2- Shoot your now harmless attacker again. Keep those emotions in check.
Shout "OWNED" and T-bag the body.
You said in another video that you have to call 911, inform of your location and situation, ask for help and not answer more questions. What have changed now?
Yeah but, what if you're out in public with other people around. Shouldn't you secure the attacker's weapon so someone else can't 🤔 That's not something I'd leave laying on the ground around people I don't know, that could potentially be a threat as well...
You can move the weapon out of the immediate reach of the person that you just used force against so you can secure the scene and the weapon is no longer in play.
Not always.
His two friends moving toward you time to go. Weapon no longer in play 3 v 1, that's a disparity of force. That hurts bad.
Great video! These videos are always so helpful. I am si glad I have joined USCCA. Thank you for the great insight.
Why can't you say to the 911 operator, "I'm not answering that question until I have my attorney present." ?
BECAUSE: 911 calls are recorded & will be used as evidence to charge you and be played at trial. The Operator is NOT the person you need to tell this to, the Investigating Officers and Interrogators are. That simple phrase recorded in a 911 call can and most likely will be twisted in every way possible to create the narrative that you weren’t cooperating and obstructing the investigation from the very beginning.
This why he explains what you should say, what info to give during the call and nothing more. EVERY single word you say will be dissected and can be twisted to fit the prosecutors narrative of “Your crime” during the incident.
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And you BETTER have self defense insurance and an attorney's # before you reach for your piece.
UH, WRAP EM IN A PLASTIC TARP AND TAKE EM TO THE WOODS AND LET THE WILD PIGS EAT EM? ALWAYS MY 'GO TO'
My father knew a guy that owned a big pawn shop in Vegas that shot and killed a robber as the robber was exiting. He was found innocent after a few years of legal battles. I imagine it would be difficult to stop firing once a person started pulling that trigger. Sheesh.
Yeah they got a place called prison for people that have a hard time stopping what they're doing when they're wrong. We had the same thing with a simple assault. Some kids were hanging out in the alley playing the radio and an old guy came out with a board and threatened them and told them to get out of the alley and quit playing music. They took the board away from the old guy. That eliminated the threat then they beat the old guy with the board. That's where they became the criminals. If you get work up and shoot the wrong guy or shoot at somebody that's not a threat anymore that's running away man you can be in some trouble. You should be in trouble for these things because when there's no threat to you you're a risk to everybody that you might do something with a pistol nobody claims they can do MISS
@@markmcgoveran6811 always the hindsight larry coming around speaking like they have any experience in these situations. You haven't been in a life or death situation, so don't speak on it.
@@tilled6695 I'm not sure how you got your panties in such a bunch so you can't really see that you have no idea what anybody else on here has or has it done. But there was an old boy named Hitler and he didn't like it first amendment free speech for everybody I paid for this and now some mooching bum wants to say I shouldn't come in after I bought the comment slot with an equal right as every other citizen to use the comment slot after they pay for it. Our constitution puts the burden of ignoring everyone else that has a less than appealing message. Very self-confident in your opinion. Not very good at math probably just accounting. you've come out directly against the first amendment. Why? are you squeamish about life and death?
@@tilled6695 yeah man a lot of my family was in a life and death situation and they shot a lot of people like you that thought everybody else would shut up but themselves and it looks like this is going to happen again everybody's going to keep telling everybody to shut up and everybody's going to keep demanding there constitutional rights and violating the other person's rights disrespecting the other person's rights. The second amendment wasn't put into place so clowns like you could shoot people who exercise their right to the first amendment. If you're going around telling people to shut up how are you backing that up? Oh one of them guys it's a tough guy with a pistol kind of a come later Larry after all the dust is settled and puff out his chest and tell us how brave he is. You see it all the time people shooting through a door at somebody that they don't even know who's there because people have got them so worked up about the second amendment it's the only amendment they know.
I was in fear for my life. I did what i had to do to protect myself.
You never let the police find the body or gun & haul the stink out first moment you get.
"You'll be in very bad trouble"... unless you're a cop. They get away with murder all the time.
The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
@@BigJon410 great. Doesn't excuse how many people they murder all the time
i would add that when you see flashing lights and hear the cops showing up. that is the time to have your gun on the floor and your hands in plain view. the cops are showing up to a shooting. guy on the phone only saying " i dont know "
you dont want them to see you as a threat that needs to be put down.
Drag the carcass behind your vehicle thru your town? If it was self defense? I really don't see the issue though?
For the second one. Would you not move the weapon away from the threat after the incident just in case they are faking/come to and try to use it on you.
I always thought in an incident that it would be a good idea/common practice to kick the weapon away from the person just in case. But picking it up would definitely be a bad idea
Amazing how fast you become the perpetrator in today’s society. Perps get 25 chances you get maybe 1. Amazing
Thank you, Kevin. This is the best summary on the topic that I've been able to find. I will do my beat ro keep it in mind and pray that I never need it.
*911* "Hello, there has been a self defense shooting. I need police and ambulance at ("address"), the attacker has (x) wounds and is disabled, the situation is now safe, goodbye"
What about using a big bore caliber that’s designed for killing large dangerous animals. For example 400 grain 454 cassull maximum expansion round where 1 shot and attackers body is in pieces
The eternal quote from Saul Goodman after Badger got arrested.
“What did you say? Did you say anything stupid? And by anything stupid, I mean anything at all.”
What if you neutralize the threat and they still have a gun near them. Can you get the gun away from them?
stuff that should be covered... having worked as an officer of the law for thirty years... many times #1) crooks are under the influence that break into homes.. #2) they aren't always alone, perhaps an awaiting crook nearby in a vehicle. Having said that people who are under the influence from speed to PCP show or have enormous amounts of strength with many times running on adrenaline and the drug itself meaning that even if the person is shot... that doesn't necessarily mean that the threat has been stopped! As a general rule #1) I've taken the weapon OUT of the perpetrator's hand(s) and away from the body once making sure that this threat has been neutralized and when available have handcuffed the person and then make sure that this person isn't alone and then check vital while having someone call 911! there are some other habits that should be learned when dealing with breakins... ty..
Y’all should keep the give away going till like past December 11th😭that’s my 18th birthday and I wanna win
Worst thing you can do is call the cops... This is for country folks. City people don't have a choice.
Apologize, never apologize after acting in self defense.
Great points and advice!
Meanwhile police can magdump and mp5 into a fleeing vehicle with no repercussions......for clarification I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to magdump a criminal, I'm saying I should be able to just like the cops.
For context 👇🏻
ua-cam.com/video/UM0MXrNj9P0/v-deo.html
The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
@@BigJon410 I'm aware of that, I think I should have the same right. If a criminal breaks into my home and I confront him and he flees I should be able to mag dump him as he flees.....ya know, for the good of the community.
My problem with the law is that police almost always can fire well beyond "the threat has stopped" and it's A-ok but like the video says if I do it then I'm the aggressor. I've seen several dozens if not hundreds of videos of police firing 30, 40, 50 rounds at a suspect. I don't have a problem with that, I just think I should be able to do it too.
@@ajossi Yep, I agree but the law does not.
ALWAYS RECORD THE POLICE...
Easier said then done in a very dynamic situation.
Sound advice, but I would not talk to anyone without my lawyer present.....
#1 do not drink 1 gallon of vodka after a defensive shooting.
Worst thing is not put up your weapon afterwards.
I have applied for a concealed carry permit in Colorado. I will also order a small, discreet body cam. They can run for several hours (battery and recording time). I'll just start it up every time I leave the house. If I am involved in a self-defense incident, I am undecided whether to turn the recording over to the cops or say nothing and turn it over to my attorney for him to deliver a copy to the cops. Evidence in the hands of the police can mysteriously "disappear". Especially if it shows you are innocent.
You kind of missed the point moving evidence is beyond lying by about a factor of 10. If they ask you how many times you shot like you did one of the guys in your scenarios and you say three and there were five shots fired that's lying. When you change the evidence that's way past lying.
I have been a USCCA member since 5/26/2022. I prey to GOD that I never am forced into a self defense scenario. Any time I leave my house, I am hyper aware of my surroundings. If I can run, that's preferable to getting into a gunfight. I used to carry an 8shot
1911style pistol in.45acp. But, because criminals do run in packs, I changed to a high capacity 9mm. Everyone who carries a pistol, should also carry pepper spray and an individual first aid kit ON YOUR BELT. It does absolutely no good if your medical kit is sitting in your vehicle.
QUESTION: I have a few Qs but here's one: I'd be interested in a video about the attacker running from you, however, they are running to retrieve a weapon. Perhaps you know there's a giant machete, a gun you saw earlier in the day, etc. Perhaps there's something that could be used to hurt or kill you, and the attacker happens to be running *in the direction* of that weapon.
Then what?
Why would you say this much to 911? Tell them where you are and to send help, and hang up. Don’t say half of this on a recorded line with no attorneys
So you're saying no double tap to the head after three rounds to the chest?
If the person is still a threat after three rounds to the chest? Why double tap to the head?
Unless they are wearing body armor.
I thought you might say the worst thing you could do was not check your backhoe to see if it was full of fuel
This happened in Oklahoma City, May 2009, a pharmacist made the mistake of executing an underaged and unconscious robber
Hmm, why then when police shoot and kill a suspect, do they continue to dump their mags?
We've all seen that, even with multiple officers on one subject.
Before I watch the video I want to try and guess. “What is the worst thing you can do following a self defense shooting?” Talk to the cops. NEVER talk to the cops without your attorney present.
Is it a bad idea to take pictures of the crime scene?
Use 22lr *the less aggressive rounds not to kill*. After self defense tell 911 to dispatch ambulance. Invoke the 5th after
After my incident I had to be asked if I was OK and my anwser was do you see blood on me? Because I don't know. And at the time I wasn't sure of anything other then what had just happened.
Question for a next What would you do? Or should you do if you come home late at night after work and notice that strangers entered your house, but your family is sleeping and they haven't noticed the situation yet?
Like Mike advised Jesse, “I woke up, I found her, that’s all I know.” Now say it again!! 😎
Remember the aggressor has more rights than the one protecting themself. The law WILLL come after you.!!!!
One thing my instructors told me is that after the self defense incident occurs is to call the cops and tell them theirs been a shooting at "this address" I need 2 ambulances. Then immediately hang up the phone to call your lawyer/attorney.
Good advice
So often these types of videos do not give good advice for those involved in these incidents who will then have to be involved in the criminal Justice system
This video gives great advice and sound information
Tampering with the evidence, or leave the scene. I believe the absolute worst thing you can do is still be standing there holding your gun. Bad idea
This video ,ua-cam.com/video/mBkI-ze75Q4/v-deo.html, clearly shows a man shoot a potential attacker in the back, at least 2 times, as the potential attacker is fleeing. Is this the exception to the rule?
No state has a statute that requires you make a 911 call.
An "excited utterance" will be played to a jury.
Never call 911.
Have someone else call 911 at your direction.
You can never shoot at someone who is running away. If an attacker is in range and still has the weapon in a position to attack you they are still a threat.
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If the threat is shot, drops and their weapon is close enough for him to grab again, what do you do in that situation?
Calling a taxidermist?
But it's OK for the Police to plant evidence.
What if he is running to get a weapon, his buddies, etc?
In regards to providing first aid, say I have shot someone and they now have a sucking chest wound. I have on hand chest flap kits and believe the threat was no longer present and they will likely die if first aid is not started immediately. I have now cut open this persons shirt and/or repositioned the body to provide first aid. How could this look if they do still die but my "tampering" was in an attempt to provide aid?
DON’T treat them!! If you had to fire, you need to be prepared that they may very well die and live with this. Rendering aide to your attacker IS NOT going to help your defense in any way, and may make things worse for you in the end. And may also make you vulnerable and unsafe while giving said aide. The injured attacker may reengage or his buddies or anyone nearby while your attention is focused on treating your attacker.
Be skilled , be accurate, be practiced. YES you can despite popular belief train to be that John Wick , ok maybe not but DAMN close. All you have to do is put enough passion into training EVERY WEEK, and yeah spend ALOT of money doing it. If you do this , there will be no need for more than 3 shots or 6. Depending on the number of attackers and the situation. But simply any single interaction should be non stress routine fast and aggressive. You maintain your mental stability under stress because you are practiced and trained.
Another thing it might be helpful Kevin, like you said before another videos out the evidence showcasing stuff like that because he can get caught in the first responders shoes, but other than that make no statements without talking to an attorney
Do not call the cops, #1. Bag of lime, 8ft deep hole
Your very first point is why I would never suggest shooting until your empty like most people say. You shoot till the threat is gone. And no more. In my case it was 3 shots. If my 3rd would have hit it would have been a difficult argument for self defense because the guy was starting to retreat. But in the heat of the moment the reaction time from see deadly threat to this person is no longer a threat can take a longer time then deciding the person was a threat in the first place. That is why alot of attackers are shot in the back. Because the threat leaving hasn't registered yet. And in most cases you don't realize it but your in a state of shock.
Very well put. Expect to have to answer for every shot fired.
Great tips. Thanks.
I once stood up with a broken leg. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. I was telling them I was okay, then I just collapsed. It's crazy.
But if the person you shot STILL has a weapon, he is a danger to others and the threat has not been stopped.
Just because he running away from YOU doesn't mean he is no longer a threat to somebody else.
This is only for police officers: The US Supreme Court ruled in Tennessee v. Garner that a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
So, if the threat gets shot at, say 10 times in the front because you’re adrenaline is high and probably scared. Can you really stop yourself?
What are the legal implications of using your own reloads for self protection.
NOT LEGAL ADVICE: But if the reloads aren’t illegal projectiles (I.E. Hollow Points in NJ, etc.) then the real concern is the DA’s possible multiple narratives about the ammo and your “intent” revolving around you reloading your own ammo.
Your training is great but the insurance is a giant scam
Excellent advice
I would think the first aid after you shoot the person would be very suspect. You may have a witness say that first you shot him and then you finished him off.
I would NEVER render aide of any kind to the attacker! The first aide is for yourself and innocent bystanders that may have been injured…
@@chrlsraines you will look great in court. If one of the bystanders was there and came up to tourniquet the guy's leg would you shoot him too?
Question for a next video. What would you do? Or should you do if you come home late at night after work and notice that strangers entered your house, but your family is sleeping and they haven't noticed the situation yet?
I would personally walk in with my pistol drawn the whole time, call the cops and let them know people are in your home and go in and save your family. I would sweep the house room by room until the threat was eliminated and my family was safe.
Then definitely ask for a lawyer, not say anything to the cops until I've spoken with my attorney first. And then only with my attorney present and under his advice would I answer any questions period.
In THIS scenario I would call 911, give them the pertinent info, put the phone in my pocket while starting inside to try to get to my family and protect them. Sorry but you just don’t have time in this scenario to wait… better Me shot/injured/killed trying to get to them than standing back doing nothing while waiting how ever long for L.E. BUT this is what I would do…. YOU have to decide what actions you would take. This is a moral situation and maybe very large legal grey area!
That's a bad situation because calling the cops will help you in court but cops kinda suck I'd rather just do the work necessary and then call em.
I Had To Be Certified In CPR And First Aid At My Previous Job.
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Awww I cant do a Coup De Grâce?
When it comes to moving evidence, what about getting a deadly weapon away from your attacker?
a different circumstance. preventing an assailant from reaquiring a weapon means the situation is still ongoing, when that threat is no longer a threat don't touch anything, just makes it easier to prove your innocence. especially if you don't get your fingerprints on their weapon.
@@astroturf5549 Kick the weapon out of his reach.
@@GeoffryWK precisely
I’ve got a question. Post using ur firearm in self defense, if the aggressor had a firearm and there are people around, what do you do with the aggressors firearm? Leave it there, and watch it, clear it, or ignore it?
I feel that leaving it on the ground loaded might create a risk due to unpredictability of other individuals.
Don't touch it. That's evidence. Leave it there. That's what Kevin just explained. Also law enforcement is going to confiscate your firearm as well because you were just in a shooting. Remember that.
Truth,ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS!
What if the perpetrator has their back to you while running away into cover, but visibly has a ranged weapon in his hand, could it be argued that person is still a threat?
Get some training! Check out the story of the Chevron station clerk in California. He was killed while chasing and shooting at a robber who was running away. When the attacker is running away, use the time to get behind cover and observe.
No longer a threat. Stay behind watch em go free. Enjoy your life… free of murder charges
No he's not a threat at that point. Let him run.
@@humbleguy2010 it depends if he's pointing the gun at you while he's running away.....
@Papi Maximus I'm not sure why this scenario is implausible, Active Self Protection has several tapes showing that people do not drop what's in their hands when in panic.
Great information, definitely learned something.
Empty the magazine.
My goodness gold mine of knowledge
I work in the back of the warehouse for the company I work for. I have a few escape routes. My question is do I go to my car and grab my fire arm to subdue the active shooter or do I run to the business behind where I work and have them call for help? Which one would save more lives?
Go to the business behind the warehouse. Take cover and call the police. If you go get your firearm and go back and engage the situation your not covered under the law. Remember the law only covers you as a legally armed citizen. Call law enforcement. Never create a situation for yourself by engaging a threat.
If you got that gun in your hand when police arrive you probably won't live to explain what happened.
Do the floss dance until the police arrive.
Thank you for the info
After the minimal facts required: I’m here at (location), there’s been a self defense/active shooter situation, “shots fired”. “Shooter is down/has fled the area, threat is eliminated, people require medical assistance”. There is a “legally armed citizen” on site who DOES NOT pose a threat and WILL COMPLY with Law Enforcement! Send police and ambulance, I don’t have any further info at this time!! (If necessary)… I’ve given you ALL the pertinent info to dispatch help…. Then hang up!!!
Would you include what clothes you are wearing if you were the one defending your life or others, Charles? That could make responding officers aware that you are not the bad guy!
@@USCCAOfficial YES (whether I was able to remain on scene or not). This is important info that only serves to further aide in my safety when Officers arrive (slipped my mind). And the bit you added about “I was forced to defend myself”… that gives them the info while not compromising my legal defense and serves to quickly further the investigation w/o making an official statement until my attorney is present.
As Kevin mentioned and both him and Tom keep stressing… I am calm, collected, & analytically thinking and processing atm. I missed an essential piece of info for my safety. With extremely high levels of adrenaline, dopamines, and endorphins going off after a traumatic experience this is VITAL info that you NEED to think about, memorize, and mentally prepare yourself for constantly ahead of time!!
Love to hear you are thinking about these kinds of things before anything were to happen. We are praying that it never comes to this though!
@@USCCAOfficial YES. I take this very seriously. Heaven forbid I have to pull that trigger ever! But IF I do (I have real world emergency response / public safety training & experience… I know how I am capable of responding in a life threatening situation), last thing I want/need are more legal complications caused by something I failed to do/say correctly. Or worse even still something I did that I shouldn’t have or something I said that I shouldn’t have. I sure as hell don’t want to be the idiot incriminating myself! I absolutely will be seeking counsel, & properly, respectfully invoking my rights!
How about putting up your hoodie and mask on and walking away. The criminals do this all the time and get away with it .
What happened to Tom Grieve ?
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