Twisting round bar - ornamental ironwork - basic blacksmithing
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2018
- If you twist round bar, can you even tell its been twisted? If you do something to the bar that will show the twist, you bet it will show. Lets take a look at some ornamental blacksmithing in the form of a round bar twist.
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That flattening to the round bar made it look really cool thanks John
Thanks for that John, that's exactly what I needed to know 👍🏼
All over UA-cam you see that people click to view a video yet it seems that’s its too much effort to click like . Close too 4300views for this one yet only 595 likes . Out of all the blacksmith videos Sir John explains each step and why he does it that way . A teacher he is . Very informative .
Most people just watch but don't interact and thats OK
You save me a lot of experimentation and shorten the learning curve. Love it
and here I thought I was trying to encourage you to get out and experiment.
Oh I'm inspired to get out there. You help eliminate unpleasant surprises. Lol
John, I particularly like the "rope" effect you got where you partially flattened two sides. That makes for a nice, smooth handle for all kinds of things and nice bars for grill work, door handles, etc. I've always avoided twisting round bar before because I didn't see where you might create great looking effects.....I am not right-brained! (barely have any brain at all).
A teardrop cross section would give you a well defined edge.
There is just no telling where you are going to take us next!!! Great video!
I think 4 equally spaced chiseled lines along the length of the bar would look great.
What about creating a triangle and twist that. Really like the T-shirt! Looking forward to the next twist.
A triangle is in the works
I like running a slot punch along the 4 sides
Very nice great job
Pineapple round bar twist!
Class is out, heading out to my blacksmithing lab!
F ZR that's what I wanna see
The second twist almost looks like rope. I could see chiseling a line down the middle of the flats to create the illusion better. Neat idea!!
very cool video! thanks!
So helpful, thanks for your teaching.
I just did this very thing tonight. I forged some flat spots in some round bar fire pokers. I wanted to put some twists in some pokers Im making for my camping buddies. The first didn't go so well. The second worked out better. I need to refine my quenching method for the next ones. I wanted to say I really enjoy your videos.
Looks like the good comments have already been made, so I will just say hi and thank you.
First thing that I thought of was a slit or welding your preferred method a 1/2 inch bar to a 3/4 inch round bar I'll be interesting maybe kind of like a vine really like the Sandpaper maybe some brass brushing?
That second one would make a nice door handle. I've been thinking about twisting a hex lately.
Good video
Chisel a pattern into the round bar or use a cut off wheel to cut design prior to twisting.
Just wanted to say thanks and i appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. You have really helped me.
You are most welcome
You rock. I love seeing your work. Keep it up! Thank you so much. :)
Thank you so much for this :D I'm starting to forge now(I've been at my improv forge maybe 3 times) and this inspires me a lot!
Good video. I read the title and thought "why the * would you want to twist round bar?". I see your point now. Can you show the effect of punching (or grinding) 3 or 4 evenly spaced slots (indents?) running lengthways down the bar, then twisting, please? Thanks.
Sounds like a good idea.
What about a couple of chisel lines down the round bar and then twist
Awesome shirt! I've seen a smith lightly cross peen a length of round and then put a subtle twist in it. Looked fantastic.
I'd like to see some lines chiseled in and then twisted.
Good Morning , John
Loved the Video ! Glad I had my Journal out all ready ! Really Liked the T- Shirt , Where did you get it ???? Take Care and Be Safe ! Keep on Hammering !
👍 nice John
Lots of good suggestions already. Really enjoy your videos everyday. How about if you hammered on two sides like you did tonight but grabbed it in the middle with your twist wrench while holding the top in place with another. Would that be too complicated? Have you ever tried some of your ideas with another material first, like clay, to see how the twists come out?
Probably would have to be done with selective heating and cooling one section at a time.
Great content as always, maybe a nice alligator twist?
I’m not familiar with that term
Black Bear Forge sorry pineapple twist lol
John, I love it, I have twisted round bar like your second example flattening out two sides, it looks like a rope or barley corn twist. On a second round I then used a 1/4 round fullaring tool and put a rounded groove in the centre of the two flats and twisted it then. See what you think and see if it is worthy to show. I also squared the center of a 3/4 round bar to about 8 inches the bar was 24 inches long, I then chiseled down the centre of each flat and twisted it and made a diamond pattern in the middle of a round bar just like you would a square section. It looked interesting.
Regards Stephen
Good ideas
chisel cut would look cool
nice
Great stuff!
Thanks John, Upsets or rounds sections down the length?
What about chiselling a line down the length of the bar (on center) on 4 sides, similar to a square twist with chiselled corners
That's what I was going to say, might work.
what if you used a pointed punch and just put a line of indentations on one or more sides of the round bar before you twisted it? that might look cool.
That would be worth trying
Or even chisel cuts the length of the bar.
If you had a bottom swage with a sixty degree angle, you could put three equidistant flats on the round bar, and the twisted bar should look quite a bit like a rope. That would be a great ornamentation for nautical motifs.
Take a look at the second video on twisting round bar
How about slitting the bar clear thru with an angle grinder and making a basket twist
that can be done, however I would prefer to chisel the cuts. The chisel tends to leave a more distinctive forged look than the angle grinder.
how about a (3) sided twist or fuller groves at 45 deg. then twist the other way good job love the shirt be safe.
I second a triangle based twisted section.
I wonder what a triangle with chisel cuts on each face would look like after twisting?
John, what about forming square and chiseling every other corner? I've seen you do this on square bar, and it was dramatic. I really appreciate your videos.
It is a good treatment for a square bar. But I'm not sure if there is much difference doing it in a round bar, once you forge it square you just have a square bar.
How about you cut the bar with a Chisel the length of it. Thank you for your time.
Chisel a line down each side of the round bar, then twist. Looks like a piece of rope.
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Hey John. Nice work with the round bar. Do you remember what size it was. I like the flattened out round one but if you put a chisel line down the middle would it look like there was two small round bars swished together... thx again ...Paul..
I think 3/4" A chisel line can look like a rope twist
Maybe a ball fuller, used along the round bar, at random. When twisted it should create almost a twisted/fluted effect?
Another good sugestion
CAN YOU MAKE A GUN BARREL LIKE THIS? I WANT TO TAKE A BAR, drill it and cut straight grooves in the inside then heat it with induction and a insert a cold rod in the barrel hole to maintain shape and trueness and twist it as a form of rifling. i have reamers and such however im curious.
Put some chiselled lines along it?
Make a geometrical punch (diamond perhaps?), and flatten the midsection like your second example. Punch the diamond shape in along both sides, alternating spacing so you don't punch out what you put in on the opposit side. Then make the twist and do the highlighting. Thinking it would look very nice
Good video. Just of the top of my head and don't know what it will twist to. How about chiseling one line down the center on opposite sides and chiseling vertical lines down the other two rounds. One could make every other line an x too.
It would be worth looking at.
How about driving it into a spring swage so it looks like a 4 leaf clover in cross section? When twisted, that should look like rope.
I like that idea, but might have to make the swage to do it.
John, what would happen if you chiseled all the way through the centre of the bar twice at 90 degree angles but leaving the ends intact and then upset the bar so that the cut pieces bulged prior to twisting? Would that work to create an interesting basket type twist or just look like mush?
If you separate the bars prior to twisting, they simply close up as you twist. But chiseling, twisting and then reverse twisting will open up the cuts into a basket.
what about making a triangle shape by putting under a power hammer so you get 3 point compressing together then twisting that
Interesting idea
How heavy is your cross pein hammer?
about 3 pounds
That has to be the quietest forge ever. Ribbon burning? And how about cutting a rubix into round bar?
Very loud forge, so I shut it off when I am filming and turn it back on when I take a heat with the camera off.
So why does a scale instantly form when you twist something? It would seem like that scale wouldn't have formed otherwise.
I think the scale is already there but firmly attached to the bar, so it isn't apparent. Twisting breaks it free
A pineapple twist in roundbar would be interesting, but I don't know enough to say how to do it.
A true pineapple twist would require the bar to be forged square, but a similar approach on round would be interesting.
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