Will it Start? Abandoned Case (David Brown) 1394 - Full of water! Part 1
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2023
- This Case (David Brown) 1394 has sat outside for 10+ years with the exhaust wide open. With an engine completely full of water, is there any hope of making it start.
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A very enjoyable episode
Thanks! Much appreciated 🙏
I lived not far from the David brown factory And remember fields of these at the back ready for delivery or export 😊.
Must have been some sight to see fields of brand new tractors! Thanks for sharing, hope you enjoyed the video Gary! 🙂👍
@@davesworkshop2714 hi yes it was it closed in 1988 and at it's peak employed 3 to 4 thousand people.
@@garywinterbottom6073 shame so much industry was lost back then. Bad times.
Great work bud You will get her humming 😊
Thanks Thomas!
Wow I’ve never seen an engine with so much water in it there’s no wonder it won’t start good video again Dave 👍👍
It was fairly spectacular! And it just kept getting worse. I'm not willing to quit yet though. A lot of viewers have made a lot of good suggestions so I'm going to give them a try 👌. Thanks as always for watching!
Awsome effort. I'm not a diesel mechanic so no advice, Just know the effort you put in is appreciated. Good luck!
Thanks very much! I'm going to take a break from it and do another one, then go back.
…very much appreciated, it’s a textbook.
Your best idea is tow the tractor home put it in a shed/workshop that way youd be under cover from weather have electricity on hand for using charger booster, 🚜👍
Peter, I'd love to have her under cover but it would be a lot of work to get her out of where she is, half split and a few tyres not holding air. To be honest, it's also far easier to film out in the open, no issues with lighting. Thanks for watching 👌.
@@davesworkshop2714 No bother Dave!,🤝👍🚜
Well Dave, just come across your channel, we’ve had David brown’s here from the early 80’s, every time I change the filters I have to tow to fire again, something about them they just need that extra bit of spin after bleeding so all’s not lost if she doesn’t fire off the starter! Excellent channel, love this sort of stuff! Keep up the good work, John, Co Tyrone 👍👍
Thanks John! I've had a few people tell me lately that the CAV pumps do take a lot of bleeding. The 4000 I did nearly ended me 😅😅. I'll get back on the 1394 tomorrow. Pull the injectors and test them and a compression test and take it from there. Thanks for watching and taking the time to pass on advice. Stay tuned 👍🙂
Just a quick 1 dave when u put the injecters back in i believe u have to crack the injectors open a wee bit to purge any air out of the lines failing that have u got a injecter tester to make sure they are working brother.
Thanks! I did crack them all a few times to bleed them. Got plenty of fuel at them. I've located a tester so I'll pull them soon and test them. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍 🙂
@davesworkshop2714 no problem dave thanks for the reply
Another interesting video Dave and you definitely didn't disappoint anyone
I know it's frustrating but you're doing the right thing by going to something else and come back to it at a later date 💪💪💪
Thanks Mickey! I was so disappointed, but ill come back to it, Itll start or throw a rod 🤣
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Great video Dave, stay with it and take a break. You probably not that far away from success. Looking forward to the 4000 I drove one many years ago, a great tractor. Big fan of your videos, you put a lot of hard work into them.
Kevin, thanks very much, there is a lot of work in them, but its always worth it when people enjoy them! We'd hoped to film the 4000 today but something came up, but ill get to it soon. I've had time, and a lot of advice on the Case so I'll definitely get back to it. 🙂👌👍
Hi Dave make sure stop leaver is pushed right in
The stopper was disconnected, so I just put the lever on the pump in the correct position. Confirmed by moving it while cranking and the smoke stops. Also pulled the pump top cover in case it wasn't connected inside. Thanks for the tip though, sometimes it's the simple things catch me out! 😂
wow i never even knew they made tractors in 1394 it looks pretty good for being 629 yrs old
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Brilliant video Dave she certainly is a challenge keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Paul, much appreciated 👍. Glad of the support after the disappointment of not getting her to fire yet.
Good gosh that sludge!!
It was pretty spectacular. I still can't believe it makes oil pressure on the starter!!
I've just discovered your chanel through the 1394, I've just bought myself a 1490 with a few issues in itself, one injector is not playing ball like yours did 😂 And the engine on mine seems to be fairly well locked
Do you think you've got water in there? Getting them out requires a lot of abuse 😂. I must get back to it again soon and have another go. Good luck with yours 👌🙂
@@davesworkshop2714 I dropped the sump and there was a small amount of water in there but nothing too scary 😂 The oil is really runny and it had about 20l in there, it doesn't smell like diesel and it's not water, so who knows haha! Best of luck to you, and I look forward to the next video!
@@jonnygreenwell1197 thanks Jonny! Sounds like fun ahead 😂
Love your videos Dave from Longford
I have a david brown 1390 a ford 4000 and a massey 35x.
Can't wait to see the ford 4000 with the fire damage. Keep up the good work learning a lot from you👍
Thanks!! I'll try and get to work on her later today or tomorrow, went down yesterday evening but it was too windy to film. Thanks for watching 🙂👍
might help to take a tortch to the intake and preheat both the intake and if possible heat up the head might help looked like it was low compression and not enough heat to fire if you can get it to fire compression might come up
I've had a lot of suggestions for that so I'm more than happy to give it a shot! The owner said it was very hard to start without the heater before it was laid up. I fully expected either do do it though.
Yes, I was thinking the exact same thing
excellent video as always dave, ive just acquired a ferguson tef20 that sat in a field for 25 years, put a jump pack on it and it fired straight up, its remarkable how long these old engineering marvels can sit and still work
Thanks James! I assume that has the standard 23C in it? Must be in good condition to fire that easily!
@@davesworkshop2714 was very surprising, its got the 20c variant similar engine just with an inline injector pump
I have a 2WD Case 1294 from 1985, has 3800 hours on it, changed the oil and fuel filters this year, easy to operate, easy to drive and the hydraulic system is very well built and the engine is easy to maintain my buddy Mattias has the same tractor from also 1985 which his grandpa bought brand new and they still use it for farming since his grandpa retired he'll take good care of it like i do with mine, mine will do yard work and make firewood and also haul some trailers 😄
Good to hear of them still at work. I've never driven one, so interesting the hear what they are like in service. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 👌
@@davesworkshop2714 does the owner or you have any plans for the 1394 when it runs ? 🙂
Thanks for giving me a mention also bud! I hope u get it going but don’t stress to hard over it, congrats on the growing of your channel and keep up the good work🙂🙂
I feel much better about it after posting the video, so much support. I'll go back to it after the next video and try again 🙂👍. Really want to apply all the advice people have taken the time to share.
Dave, I had a O diesel tractor that would not start like this and we tried everything. We ended up hooking it up to another tractor and towing it and popping the clutch and it ended up cranking up that way we were able tospin the engine over really fast.
That was one of our first thoughts,but the clutch is done and its half split. I'm going to contact Mahle to see if I can get a geared starter.
A great effort buddy and a lot of hard work. It made smoke so that’s a win. The rings and bores have been open to the elements so they’re an unknown. An enjoyable upload nonetheless. 👍🏻
Thanks very much! Always good when the effort is appreciated. I'll do a compression test and see what I have some day soon. Thanks again for taking the time to support the channel!
its the fuel issue ,forget the compression test, spray check the injectors on a bench , the pumps on them yokes are troublesome sometimes , even changing a filter is a boobee trap, have it checked over , and use a 12v pump as a lift pump off a battery and she will run
Thanks Pat, I'll certainly give that a try and see what happens. At least the injectors will come out easily. There's definitely fuel at them, but maybe not enough
nice video! keep on!
Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it. More to follow soon!
From Cheboygan Mi
Good to hear from you Ronald!
Well done so far. 👍👍
Thanks! Hopefully I'll get her running yet 🤞
When they are stuck like that - its never worth it trying to break them free - just pull the head and check valve seats and cylinder bores. Big end caps off and knock the pistons out - rings will be stuck/rusty/broken and valve seats will be corroded.
In an ideal world I'd do that and hone the bores. Given the state of it, I thought I'd see could I just break it free as gently as possible and let the next person do a rebuild 😎. I'm curious as to what compression she has, so I'll do a test and see what it says. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Dave I think me and you should both invest in a microphone
Definitely in my case anyhow
Hi dave, you've got fuel to the injectors but is it come through them, pull one out put it back on the pipe and turn it over see if it's lifting the needles in the injector nozzles, they could be stuck. that said it should have fired on ether, check your air intake for abstructions, ie wasp nest.
good luck
Barry
Thanks Barry. Intake is definitely clear. Found out a neighbour has an injector tester so I'll pull thrm and test them. Compression test on the list too. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment 🙂 👍
Hey good shot at it. It will start. She puffin. Just needs a little more starter oomph and i would try brake cleaner. The flammable kind lol. I have better luck with it than ether. New subcriber here from Nova Scotia, Canada
Hey Derek, thanks for watching, commenting and subscribing 🙂👌. I'll gladly give that a try. I'm trying to find a geared starter to give her more ooommph.
Great video ... tough one🤠
Thanks! It's really fighting me 😬
At least you give it a shot. USA
Thanks! Hope I'll get her going soon though, taking another shot.
hi Dave am new to watching you really enjoyed the video youre a man after my own heart loves a challenge to fix a non runner . still looks to be a diesel issue to me compression sounds ok the davy browns are hard to kill but i would go easy on the easy start with them . a wee test of the injectors would rule them out might be one or two not right going by the smoke . you will get her going im sure
Thanks Eric. There were a number of areas the fuel system wasn't 100%, so I'll be going through it in more detail before the next attempt. I have another project in the meanwhile, but I'll get some parts on order and come back to it. I'll see if I can get my hands on an injector tester. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Seeing a Landrover/Range Rover that wasn’t broken was impressive in any case .
😂😂😂. Its worth it for the comfort and driving experience 🙂🙂. Thanks for watching 🙂👍
MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼………………………………………………..You gave it a valiant effort!
Thanks! Always good to hear from you. Ill take a break from that one but going to try it again soon!
hi from australia, iv just done a clutch job on a 1494, big job, looks like that 1394 was abandon because its clutch failed they started splitting it and gave up
Hey, good to hear from you! There was a lot of ripping already done, looks like a far bigger job than other tractors I've seen split. Thanks for watching.
Dave good to see you at it, thought maybe soak the turbo and see it it will free the bearings, it was popping so the rings were creating heat to seal some. Maybe some hot heat into the intake like glow plugs, But like everyone else each bird has a pooper with ideas. Great your beating one it.
Thanks Ken. The owner told me it was always a bad starter, needed the heater plug, but I think most of the pipework is missing. I'll figure something though. I'll try disconnecting the turbo oil feel and pouring WD40 into the bearings. Thanks again Ken.
@@davesworkshop2714 ya it might just come back and spin
@@kenfrazier616 I have a feeling its the impeller in the exhaust side is rusted solid, but nothing to loose trying it
@@davesworkshop2714 yeppers some love and hoping for the best
@@davesworkshop2714 hope she frees
24v Dave make it spin faster, that will do it👍
Thanks Phillip, I'll keep that in mind when I get back to it 👍🙂
After watching the entire video, where do you go?...What is the value? You accomplished a lot already. Even if this motor fires, will the turbo work?
Keep your chin up, this looks like a parts machine. You are a fighter, we'll keep watching.....surprise us....
Cheers
Thanks Clinton, no doubt she's parts only, I only want to get her running for the challenge of it 🙂👍, and of course to bring everyone along too 😉
Dave was expecting a lot of water, he's wearing his Muck Boots! Lol
Maybe all the water allowed the oil to float keeping the top end from rusting?
Take care Dave
😂😂 I was preparing for the worst! I think it must have just stayed above the water line alright. Looked good. Good to hear from you as always Clinton!
Good effort Dave she is smoking but i think compression is very poor thats why it wont even start with ether good luck next time
Thanks Glyn. I'm going to stick a guage on it and see what it says. So many people have taken the time to comment and share suggestions that I owe it to the viewers to have another go 🙂. Thanks for watching 👍
I would get the compression tested ,it should have fired if only momentarily on ether
Thomas, I agree. I would have expected something. I'll get back to it after the next video I'm working on. Thanks!!
Peg could teach you a thing or two about how to run the cosby can
😂😂😂 I should probably watch more of his videos
Gear starter and plenty of heat valves are not seating right from the water take a bit of turning but she will start dave
Thanks Sean. Have you ever bought a geared starter for one? I must search one out.
Have one on a 1394 ill see if i can get a name of it there a loader on it not easy seeing d starter
@@seanboyle28 thanks Sean, I appreciate that!
What i can make out its a 12v 3kw now there not cheap were u based
@@seanboyle28 I'm in Cork Sean. Id imagine Cronins in Dunmanway would be worth a try.
If you don’t get it going it really is great content, but would be cool if it played ball. Good on ya.
Thanks Olan. I think ill have another crack at it 🙂👍
You could have put 24 volts to the starter that just could have got her going with the extra speed turning over, I've done that many a time with old machinery
Thanks Edd. Might give that a shot.
Dont quit let rings soke. Get to another project..,return in couple weeks.
Will do! I have a long resting Ford 4000 to tackle next, it'll give me a chance to order some parts for the Case as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share advice, much appreciated!
William😂🎉 31:08
You weren’t lying this one is a bugger
It's a disaster. But I'm going to take your advice and do a compression test and go from there. Thought anything would fire on either
Awesome content brother I love anything to do with engines and messing with them,and get them working again, my dad was half Irish love the accent do u mind me asking what part of island u are from that being said see u in your next video and have a great week.
I think once you get a geared starter for her. Fix the leak in the pump check for compression thats probably the main cause of it not starting. There was a lot of water in it there could be a problem with the valves not shutting causing a lack of compression. 🤔 Still think its worth while
A neighbour said the same Ali, if I get low figures I'll check the clearances to see if one is hanging.
@@davesworkshop2714 It's just a thought am on the west coast just now on busmans hoilday got see if I can get this old L200 to start.🍻👈
@@AliMackMechanical enjoy it Ali 🍻
Heat it
David brown tractors need heater plug’s working winter and summer. Get a blow lamp and send a flame up manifold when trying to start
The owner did tell me it was really hard to start. I'm getting a compression tester and testing the injectors next weekend hopefully. I'll try the torch on it then to get it to fire up. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
@@davesworkshop2714 it’s imperative that heater plugs are working then they will start on a couple of turns of the engine
Def needs heat
Excess fuel tap on bottom of injection pump makes a world of difference to starting these engines.
Anthony, strangely there didn't seem to be one on it, unlike the other DBs I've worked on? Thanks for watching!
None on a 1394
Keep dumping the ether in it. Cork boi
😂😂😂 I did at one point but cut it out. Got so annoyed I said it would have to start or explode 😂
Compression test first indeed. Then we'll talk further. 😉
🙂👍 will do! Must order a test kit. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
Looks like it has been well neglected in the past that oil in the sump looked like tar shame.
It certainly does have the look of a machine that's hard a hard life! Can't believe it made oil pressure if I'm honest!
Put that pipe on from the turbo to the intake
Turbo is locked up so I thought it best to pull the pipe and give it a clear path to air. I can certainly try though 👌
No compression rings stuck in or valves rusted open
Thanks, I'll put a compression tester on her and see what it says
Is glow plugs not working need them to be warm up to start the engine
Pull it till it starts
I would do willie but the clutch is gone and she's half split unfortunately. I'll have to carry on and do it the hard way 🙂
Pull the stopper halfway out
I did play around with it as I cranked it, but can try again, just wanted to see what difference it made. Stopped smoking.
Suprised the block isn't cracked with all the water
Good point. The cooling system was about the only part that didn't contain water, so maybe the cracks are there 😂😂
where do you find this stuff lol? your like in your natural habitat mate
It finds me Ants 😂😂. I try to avoid it!!
I’ve got 4 990,s 2 will bleed up and start the other 2 will not start. Give them a tow and they will start in a yard. Failing that give them a slight whiff of Easy Start. Your 1394 isn’t turning over fast enough to start. That’s a great example to every tractor owner to drop your sump off, you will be surprised what you find in there.
Thanks David. I did a compression test in the next video and it was away down. I stripped it and found rings stuck and valves not seating. I've done some headwork and fitted new rings, going back together thos coming weekend hopefully! The sumps are so easy to drop on the DBs it really makes sense. Thanks for watching 👍
did you drain the injector pump the rack could be stuck drain and fill with dextron let sit for a week
I pulled the cover and checked things were moving. I couldn't get it to reseal after, must order a gasket, but ill certainly check again. Thanks for the advice 👍
U need more speed turning over and pre heat
Try pouring diesel on a rag lightning it on fire and hanging it down the intake
Have had a lot of suggestions for that, must try it. Thanks 👍 🙂
Until this engine gets some heat in it the compression is going to be bad.
Thanks Karen. Is there any way to do that short of getting it to fire up? Thanks for watching 🙂👍
@@davesworkshop2714 circulating block heater for coolant will help
Have I tryed the timeing or stater motor and this there a spark
I didnt check the injection timing as the pump hadn't been disturbed, but it may be worth doing.
Or so maybe as an idea have used timing gun see the timing is ok
If it leaking on ta pump it's prob drawn in air in to fuel system
Thanks! The leak only started late in the time, and strangely had no impact, but ill order a new gasket. I'll come back to it soon. Thanks for the advice, much appreciated 👍
Is there any air in the pump because a broken spring in an injector or sticking injector can cause this from compression in a cylinder pushing back through the injector
Thanks Edd. I found the issue was very low compression due to stuck rings and exhaust valves not sealing. Back working on it at the moment. Should be ready to fire up Saturday hopefully
@@davesworkshop2714 great stuff dave good luck with it.
@@eddkennedy6458 Thanks Edd!
When are we going to see part 2?
Work starts properly this weekend Ciaran, so hopefully it'll be soon. Compression test and injector tests Saturday 👍
you can't win them all Dave
Thanks Martin, think I'll give it another go though 😀
Is stop in on pump they have a tap on pump cold start I think a t tap
Alan, it sure is. Tried playing around with it just in case. There is no excess fuel valve in the 1394. Thanks for the advice though!
hook it up 24 volts
Thanks Amanda, I'll certainly give it a try, a few people have suggested it. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment 🙂👍
That's an awful lot of water 🫢
There was water everywhere except the cooling system!!
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Put a land rover tdi 300 starter in it
Thanks Andrew, never knew they were the same. Is there a geared version available?
@@davesworkshop2714 they are gear ed
Don't think you found the kill switch
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and another thing we used to do is put diesel in intake and light it
Get a flame going in there? I'm willing to try that. Thanks again.
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Give it 24v
Would it be best to give the starter 24V and the solenoid 12V or would it manage the 24V too on the coil windings? I've never tried it before. Thanks!
@@davesworkshop2714 it be ok just 2get it 2go. it will spin alot faster and hopefully start .take all wires of starter for alternator and dash as it might blow bulbs and alternator.
@@adrianblakely8803 thanks Adrian, I have the full loom disconnected anyhow, it was pretty mangled.
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😂. Thanks for watching!
Take off and nuke the site from orbit…. It’s the only way to be sure…. (Ellen ripley from aliens)
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Are you sure you are spraying it into the air intake....the easy start made no effort
100%, I even removed the air pipes so I was hitting the inlet manifold directly. It make a few minor attempts. I'm surprised too, thought it would light off on that.
Jeepers you are a sucker for punishment I would have scrapped her for parts 😊😅
Thats how she'll end up Kenneth, I just want to start her as a challenge 🙂👍. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
Ah very good
Keep it up 👍
@@kennethhudson9568 will do Kenneth 🙂👍
The ring’s ar froze let it sit for a week white wd40
Ill give it a try. I did soak it, but maybe not long enough. Thanks for watching
@@davesworkshop2714 if it runs let it run hot enough then the will come lose
@@ferdystrik4629 will do 👍
I think it's dead 😮
I was thinking the same Richard, but curiosity and pride is getting the better of me...time for a compression test, faster starter, and much, much more either 😂👌
@@davesworkshop2714 good luck with it Dave 🙄
Perhaps some tvo in the mix would help 🤔
@@richardmorgan5785 tiny bit of petrol in the diesel?
@@davesworkshop2714 tractor vaporizing oil / you probably know it as kerosene mix as used in pre diesel tractors .
Had a uncle who put some in his old deutz tractor years ago apparently it ran with more hp but not really recommended 😱
@@richardmorgan5785 thanks. I think a lot of TVO owners now use kero with a small quantity of petrol in it. The kero alone might be enough. Certainly worth a try.
start it with 24volts and hope when it warms up the rings break loose
I'm certainly open to giving that a go. Thanks again for your advice 🙂👍