That part when Bilbo looks at Gollum's eyes and decides to spare him always gets me. The music is the same of that part of the Fellowship of the Ring where Gandalf tells Frodo that "the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many." Without Gollum, Frodo would never have destroyed the Ring and Sauron would have ruled Middle-Earth unchallenged. That singular, brief moment when Bilbo lowers his sword and spares Gollum, the most wretched, malignant, and despicable living being in the world, is the moment Sauron lost and was vanquished forever.
@@Scapemaster00 mine too. And I apreciate that in the second movie they tried to make Bilbo have a conversation with Smaug as well like the one with Gollum. Both scenes give the same vibe. Instead of fighting his way out, Bilbo tries to talk his way out. I think I prefer the movie scene rather then the book scene where they enter Erebor.
The book is more of a kids book ( but still very much worth reading ) it was meant for a younger audience than The Lord of the Rings. That book changed my life. I was a D-F Student, A C was considered a high grade for me. As a freshman in High School a substitute teacher gave me The Hobbit and asked me to read it. Not for a report but just to tell her what I thought of it. I fell in love with reading, which turned me into a straight A student, I read everything, even textbooks with zeal. She changed my life, I wish I could remember her name.
Also the eagle that saved Gandalf in this movie and in the fellowship is called Gwahir and he is the kind of the eagles and the reason why the eagles always come to Gandalf’s is because Gwahir was shot down by a poison arrow and Gandalf found him and healed him and ever since then they have always helped Gandalf when ever he really needs it.
Gwaihir is actually quite ancient, having been around since the First Age. He & his brother Thorondor guarded the first Dark Lord Morgoth in his captivity & even scratched his face in combat. In the Second Age they had an eerie at the summit of Meneltarma the central mountain of Numenor.
i loved your reaction to Bilbo's words to Thorin by the end.. Martin freeman and the writers gave it all to give life to this unique hobbit, he shines of courage and pureness, as a drop of water capable to break a rock (thorin). Beautiful reaction❤
Giants like throwing rocks, elves & dwarves don't get along, wizards love towers, dragons like shiny, and goblins are jerks. ...and on this & more, D&D was built.
I know Tolkien said Saruman was out for himself by this point but I like Christopher Lee's explanation better. Saruman is condescending but "he is a good decent and noble man. Later on when he says "Leave Sauron to me he means it. Others can of course have their own opinions but that's mine.
Saruman wasn't evil at first, but his jealousy drove him to evil. He wanted to be the most favored and most powerful but Gandalf was superceding him. Saruman believed that only great power can keep evil in check, he didn't necessarily believe in the power of good.
So this all goes back to when Valar (the gods of the world) chose the Maia (the wizards) to go to Middle Earth to stop Sauron, Saurman was the first to volunteer while Gandalf literally begged not to be sent. This caused Saurman to dislike Gandalf and began his jealousy as he was chosen to be the first among the wizards while Gandalf who didn’t want to go was chosen as second among them. He was also forced to bring Radagast with him which is why he hates Radagast and mocks him. He later learns that Gandalf is given one of the three elven rings rather than himself as the leader and most powerful of the wizards which further stokes his envy and jealousy which is why while he is polite to Gandalf you see him constantly shoot down Gandalfs suggestions and fears and basically says Gandalf is paranoid from smoking the hobbits weed (which he himself would secret smoke as a way of saying “anything you can do I can do better). He also feared Gandalf would try to take his place as the leader of the wizards and with the White Council (the meeting held at Rivendell) while Saurman was made the head of the council Galadriel had wanted Gandalf to lead them. So Saurman had started out as being good and noble but jealousy, anger and fear pushed him to want more power to retain his appearance of authority, one of the visual representations I liked in the movies is that while the movies only refer to Saurman as the White (removing his self imposed title of Many Colours) his robs become increasingly more dirty and greyed as though showing his fall from grace physically.
Hi Addie, there are seven Dwarven Kingdoms in Middle-Earth. If you remember the intro of The Fellowship of the Ring there were seven rings of power given to the Dwarves, one for each of their Kings. The Lonely Mountain, Erebor, was the greatest of the Dwarven Kingdoms. The others kingdoms weren't as powerful due to the wealth that Erebor accumulated over the centuries since the Second Age. Moria, Khazad-dum, is one of the seven Dwarven Kingdoms. The others were still around during the time before the ring.
I think the films on their own merits are actually quite decent. Especially when you hear about how hellish their development was and you gain a lot of sympathy for Jackson and his team. However, as adaptations of the original book they are hit and miss at best. The Lord of the Rings films changed a lot from the books, but the Hobbit films even more so. Including some bizarre creative choices and a lot of cartoonish filler scenes. So it's easy to understand why those who love the books have, umm, complicated thoughts about the films.
Ugh, the long ninja dwarf scenes are atrocious. The rush definitely hurt the moves, like you can tell that they had to recycle music rather than compose new themes. But making them three movies in the same style as the LotR was the problem from the beginning.
@@Sage2000 I agree 100%. "The Hobbit" is the retelling of the story by Bilbo to young hobbits (displayed perfectly at the beginning of the LoTR films at his birthday party where he is literally retelling the troll scene from this story) and eventually put on paper ("There and Back Again"), with all the "additions" one would expect given the story is being told to an audience of children or being retold by an "old man" who romanticizes his earlier life. A great example of this is that people are often confused as to why the trolls in this story/movie speak and are somewhat "cultured" whereas those in the LotR are NOTHING like this. That's because these sorts of details are purely from the imagination of Bilbo. In the actual events, the trolls were not wearing "hobbit clothes" or talking to each other about how to cook and season food ... that's what hobbits do, not what trolls do. These details are (to me anyway) clearly added by Bilbo and not representative of what actually happened ... but they make for a GREAT children's story! Unlike the LotR which is meant to be an epic more like Homer or Gilgamesh or Beowulf, "The Hobbit" is a children's story. And the movies actually do a pretty good job of capturing that feeling, just as the LotR movies capture an epic adventure feel.
To the question “was Saruman already under the influence of Sauron”, no. When the Istari also known as the “Wizards” first arived at middle earth Gandalf was given the ring Narya from Círdan, one of the three rings of power given to the elves. Saruman was jealous of this gift and started to despise Gandalf, thinking that the others would eventually make Gandalf the leader of the Istari and that despise grew ever long. Then when the white council was formed Saruman was made their leader but Galadriel wanted Gandalf to be their leader but Gnadalf declined. At the white council we see in the movie Gandalf begins to suspect that Saruman longs for the One Ring and Saruman and long been studying The Dark Lord. Then after the attack on Dol Guldur Sauron was driven back to Mordor where he took up his Throne. This is when Sauron reaches Saruman through the Palantír (the seeing stones we see in LOTR) and Saruman became entised and thus became a servent of Sauron. Tried to make this explanation short, so much much more of the lore I could get into, but yeah. Good reaction, cant wait for you to read the books
Christopher Lee was so happy he got to play Saruman one last time and be able to portray him when he was still good, before he became corrupted by Sauron and the Palantir.
Just to let you know Erebor the City in the Lonely Mountain is not Moria which was the city in The Lord Of The Rings. I did Love your jump scare when Smaug exhaled. I also Loved your reaction when Thorin Oakenshield Bilbo what he was thinking, then when he exclaimed he had never been so wrong. Thank you Addie, I really want you to do reactions comparing the books to the movies, there are some channels which will explain what was left out, but no one has actually done a comparison video, chapter by chapter. I believe you would get as many views as you do your movie reviews.
The ONLY problems i have with The Hobbit movies are the CG Orcs aren't nearly as menacing as the practical effect ones and the padded out story is a little meh. Besides that it's pretty great.
"ONLY problems" my ass. Even one issue can drag movie down, and Hobbit trilogy has multiple. But as with Game of Thrones, almost all the blame should be laid upon "showrunners". In this case, studio execs
@@Сайтамен wow. You are the first person I've ever come across who thinks that. Even Peter Jackson himself wasn't happy with it. But it was due to lack of time because of last minute changes to the character. He was originally an actor in prosthetics. But they changed his part in the story and due to lack of time they had to redo his parts with CGI. Which looks horribly fake.
POI: The city under the Mountain of Erebor, isn't the great city shown in the Lord of the Rings. They are separate dwarven cities. But still, you are right. It's fun to see the city in it's splendor.
Wonderful reaction and commentary. A very emotional end. A great jump scare. I really enjoyed watching this. I'm looking forward to your next video. Thank you. 😁
So the thing that gave Sauron his opening with Saruman was the seeing stones, Palantiri. Sauron could use them to manipulate whoever was at the other end. It's hard to know precisely when his influence started but it had to be some time after Sauron regained some of his power.
I always thought this was a good hobbit movie and it got more backlash than it should. Half of the reviews were about the 48 fps and CG. This movie had a lot of heart in it.
@@Nloveru Overuse of CGI was mainly because of lack of time. In LOTR they had years to prepare. If you haven't seen the last movies extended edition in 4k you totally should! Still not great but it makes it alot better imo.
I know people complain about where they are falling with the bridge. That scene though kind of depicts a real life miracle where a window washer in New York fell 47 floors down, when he was in the center of the scaffolding, but the buildings slowly narrowed to a point that slowed him just enough that he didnt die. He still lost his brother and had a ton of operations but he lived.
Lol, when you see Smaug in the next movie, fun little fact: He’s the smallest dragon to live in Middle-Earth. Ancalagon The Black was as big as a mountain range. That’s a bunch mountains grouped together. Not just one mountain. Smaug name has a nickname too. Smaug “The Golden.”
2:11 - I clearly remember reading that he was already corrupted either in the Hobbit or in LOTR. That's why he was trying to discard the idea that the necromancer was Sauron to buy Sauron time to get stronger. Regardless what people say, the first movie is very accurate (personally I think it's even improved). The only major change is the group of orcs chasing them, but that makes the movie more interesting because in the book nobody chases them until after they escape the mine so you don't really have that sense of urgency.
Hi, loved your reaction. I'll only point out one mistake here. In the end you said, it was interesting to see what their home looked like before the fellowship got there. Moria and Erebor are two kingdoms of the dwarfs. They are two very different places in different parts of Middle Earth:-)
Just some details from the books, if you're interested. Durin's folk, one of the seven Houses of the dwarves, had Khazad-dum (Moria) as their ancestral home from the First Age into the Third Age. It was after they woke the Balrog almost 2,000 years into the Third Age that the dwarves of Moria fled, with most going to Erebor (the Lonely Mountain) and some to the Iron Hills. So all of these are homes for the House of Durin (the Longbeards). Some of the other Houses of Dwarves had their halls in the Grey Mountains of the north, where a number of dragons had shown up to plunder them and destroy the resident dwarves in the centuries before Smaug attacked Erebor. Btw, according to the LotR Appendices, one of those other dragons (Scatha) was killed by one of Theoden's distant ancestors, so that particular group of dwarves was unhappy with the Eotheod for claiming their treasure, just because their human leader had killed the dragon. And he did send those dwarves a necklace made from the teeth of Scatha to tweak their pride...
Saruman wasn't fully under Saurons "effect" even in the time lord of the rings, Saruman still believes that he might be able to use Saurons techniques and knowledge to rival him in some way, being deceived, he doesn't realize he's already doomed to be his servant. At this point Saruman is already interested in ringlore, but he's probably still thinking improving the world, it's just that what that means is slowly getting distorted and even here already has a big amount of self-interest in it.
Saruman was just beginning to turn to evil at this point. None of the others on the White Council knew, and Saruman was even deluding himself about his motives.
I don't think that at this point Saruman was even beginning to turn evil - iirc, that started to happen after the White Council drove the Necromancer from Dol Guldur and he went back to Mordor and openly revealed himself as Sauron, which ties in to Gandalf in LotR going to Saruman for counsel since he didn't know Saruman had turned
@@ThanesTito I looked this up. In the books, Gandalf speculates that Saruman may have learned of Isildur's end and urged the attack on Dol Guldur to prevent Sauron from searching the Gladden Fields and the Anduin. He openly speculates if Saruman had been already turning to evil by the time of the White Council, but the books do not definitively say he had.
@Addie Counts saruman at this point in the franchise was technically still on the good side, he was secretly jealous of Gandalf but he wasn't on saurons side yet. All he wanted was more respect and to bring order to middle earth at any cost.
So I came across a theory as to why Gandalf is so grumpy all the time, and it has to do with the background lore that Tolkien came up with for Middle Earth. The in-lore creator of Middle Earth, according to Tolkien, is a God named Eru, and he's attended by a host of powerful celestial beings called Maiar, who are effectively angels (Sauron and the Balrog, incidentally, are Maiar who fell from grace and became demonic). At some point, five Maiar known as the Istari were sent by Eru to go down to Middle Earth and take on the form of human-looking wizards, and then serve as Middle-Earth's guardians and protectors, and Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast were all among them. But as you already know, Saruman eventually turns evil. Radagast, meanwhile, went native, and the other two wizards kinda went off on their own adventures. The result? Gandalf ended up the the only one of the Istari who was still actually trying to do his job, and now he has to take up the slack of the other four. So why is Gandalf so grouchy? Because he's one wizard trying to do the jobs of five. Tell me you wouldn't be a little testy too. That's just a theory, of course, but it's one I find interesting.
No one's ready for Smaug, the dragon archetype. That will be a fun reaction. I don't know how you can hate about these movies when there's literally the best dragon ever in it. That's all they had to do, really to live up to the book, cover some other key parts which they did. They nailed Smaug, though, that's what mattered. That's what fans of the book came to see.
FYI: the Kingdom Under the (Lonely) Mountain is Erebor, a completely different place than Moria, where the Dwarves had a different Kingdom and which the Fellowship traveled through. I suggest checking an online map of Middle Earth to get oriented.
Moria and the goblin tunnels we saw in this movie might also be connected. They both pass under the Misty Mountains, just at different points along the mountain chain.
At the time of the Hobbit, Saruman was a good, wise and slightly grumpy wizard who led the fight against Sauron. But Galadriel, as she does, mistrusted him and suspected him of wanting the One Ring.
Saruman desired the ring, at this point, in the story. Not many characters could use the ring to defeat Sauron. Aragorn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Saruman, and the Baelrog actually could use the ring against the enemy, it would just corrupt them, and they would replace Sauron as a tyrant because part of Sauron is in the ring. Saruman is the only one focused on the ring this early, in the story. That's basically his motivation the whole time, get the ring to beat Sauron, he just becomes a villain, in doing so. He would have turned on Sauron, if he got the ring in Lord of the Rings, it just wouldn't have made him a good guy, and it would have been as bad as Sauron getting it. It's why Gandalf wouldn't touch it.
Just so you know the home that the dwarfs are heading to the lonely mountain is not the same home that you see in lord of the rings that is destroyed. I have read the books and had them read to me during my childhood so just to give you a little bit of knowledge and insight here are the names of the dwarf kingdoms. 1. Khazad-dûm, under the Misty Mountains. 2. Nogrod & Belegost under the blue mountains. 3. Erebor under the lonely mountain. 4. The gray mountains. 5. The Iron Hills. 6. Glittering caves.
I like the hobbit movies, Tolkien would have hated them though, but he would also hate the LOTR movies, but I enjoy his work on paper and film. I’ll even check out the new Amazon series, because after all, all these works are basically fanfiction and inspiration from the legendary literary craft that Tolkien manifested in all its glory. And paying homage to his life’s work, even if he would have hated it, keeps his stories relevant and brings them to people who would never have found them without these fan creations based on his work.
I also found the Hobbit films fun, they're (as a a book too) more light-hearted and somewhat whimsical compared to LotR which tends to be much heavier in tone.
As far as stand alone movies, the Hobbit trilogy isn’t bad, but could have been better. The real problem comes from the meddling of the studio. They demanded a trilogy… Of a single book that is about half as long as just one of the LotR books… Simply because they wanted to cash in on the original trilogy. So to get enough material to get the run time needed, they dug into the extended lore… Then added characters and story lines, among other things. The stuff with Gandalf and the Necromancer was simply mentioned in the book, but the details are part of extended lore. Also because the original LotR trilogy exists, the Hobbit movies call back to them a lot, so characters like Gandalf seem to know more than they should at this point in time. Saruman was corrupted in the LotR, so he has to act a bit shady here… All in all, had it been shortened to two movies, they may have been better on the whole. To be fair, much of the events in the book do exist in the movies, but altered in various ways… typically to make them more “exciting” to watch. They added a single antagonist in Azog, to carry the conflict for the first part of the story. In the books they have adventures and fight bad guys, but there is not a single “main” bad guy, other than the dragon, but he doesn’t show up for half the story. They added Azog to have a focus for the first movie. They also upped the action and intensity of many parts of the story. Turning the action up to 11 in some scenes… And even at times when what once would have been a fairly minor event, suddenly is a life or death struggle of physics defying feats of combat with a hoard of enemies. This was likely more studio meddling… To make sure audiences didn’t get bored I guess. (It’s a common feature in movies made in the past several years, the big wigs think the audience will tune out and lose interest if something flashy and exciting doesn’t happen every 5 minutes or so) The switch to CGI is also a downgrade over the original LotR movies… The practical effects and makeup used for the orcs really made the movie feel more real. The book has a more light hearted feel of excitement and adventure… It was written with a younger audience in mind after all…
I sincerely hope you’ll watch the Extended Director’s Cut of the other two Hobbit films, Addie. Here’s one of the scenes the Extended Edition of this one that you missed, and it’s a pretty important one lore-wise because it tells what happened to the Seven Dwarven Rings of Power: Gandalf-“Does it not worry you that the last of the Dwarf Rings, should simply vanish, along with its bearer? Of the Seven Dwarven Rings, four were consumed by Dragons. Two were taken by Sauron before he fell in Mordor. The fate of the last Dwarf Ring, remains unknown? The ring that was worn by Thrain (Thorin’s father).” Saruman-“Without the Ruling Ring of Power, the Seven are of no value to the Enemy. To control the other rings, he needs the One. And that Ring was lost long ago.”
What's interesting about the rings is that Gloin comes with Gimli to the Council of Elrond in the Fellowship of the Ring to ask for council after a messenger came to Ederas offering a number of the lost dwarven rings and friendship with Sauron and Mordor, in exchage for a "trifling trinket, a small unadorned ring"
The timeline is one of the slight tweaks they made but at this point Saruman has not allied with Sauron, although he has already become corrupted and is using his influence to try and improve his odds of getting the one ring for himself.
The movie follows the book fairly faithfully in terms of the story, although not everything included in the movie was in the book. The "pale orc" (Azog) is an addition, but originally comes from one of the appendices in "Lord of the Rings." However, in Tolkien's original writings, Azog was slain almost 150 years before the Hobbit (although his son Bolt was in the Hobbit). Most of what is added are scenes that expand upon what is written, and also to lighten up the story a bit. The Hobbit is actually a children's book, and considerably lighter in tone than Lord of the Rings. That presented a challenge, since in movie form it needed to conform more to the look and feel of the Lord of the Rings movies. For example, when the dwarves enter Bilbo's hobbit hole, each has a different brightly colored cloak (red, green, blue, yellow, etc). That wouldn't work well here, so instead they played up the humor and fun, such as the battle in Goblintown. Some scenes were also altered to provide more direct links to Lord of the Rings, something which Tolkien himself did in later editions of the Hobbit. Part of this was undoubtedly to bring some favorite characters/actors to the Hobbit who didn't appear in the book, such as Saruman (although he was alive at that time and his history goes back much farther in Tolkien's other writings). Personally, I don't have an issue with the added story elements, even if they weren't entirely necessary, and I think they way Jackson did a good job of threading the needle between the feel of the Lord of the Rings movies and book The Hobbit.
Hi Addie, glad you enjoyed this movie, along with the admittedly stronger LotR movies. I've enjoyed your reactions to all of them thus far. And good for you for committing to reading the books after you see the movies. Keep in mind that The Hobbit movies draw on the book, The Hobbit, as well as on info contained in the Appendices to LotR, and possibly bits from The Unfinished Tales (yes, another book, drawn from drafts of tales of Middle Earth by Prof. Tolkien). When you read the book of The Hobbit, you may be interested also to hear the only long extract from the book that JRR Tolkien recorded, onto magnetic tape in the early 1950s. He read most of the chapter, "Riddles in the Dark", and I'm guessing that you can figure out what happens in that chapter. The recording was released on LP in the 1970s (along with shorter excerpts from LotR), and was reissued on CD more recently. As an older Tolkien fan, I still have both the LPs and the CDs of JRR (and Christopher) Tolkien reading from The Hobbit, LotR, and The Silmarillion. Here is a link to the first part of The Hobbit recording, which has been uploaded to UA-cam. ua-cam.com/video/0c6mcEPhhRg/v-deo.html
The White haired, kindly old Dwarf is Balin, Thorin's cousin and the Dwarf whose tomb the Fellowship find in Moria, (Balin, son of Fundin, Lord of Moria" is carved in Dwarven Runes, on the covering) in the Fellowship of the Rings". After the Hobbit he took a number of Dwarfs (Recruited from the Iron Hills and Blue Mountains) to Moria to try to reclaim it from the Orcs and Goblins and, at first they were successful, and according to letters from Balin, and "A great Work was begun there" (Gimli in the Books) but after a few years Moria and Balin fell silent, and no-one who went there ever returned... until the Fellowship. You can guess why.....
Saruman was never under the influence of Sauron. He just decided to betray the very reason he and the other Maia in the Istari Order because he thought Sauron was going to win the war. The irony, of course, is that defeating Sauron would have been way easier with him as an ally.
The Hobbit was written to be mainly a children's book. The Lord of the Rings followed and was meant for a more mature audience. But they still did a very good job with these movies. IMO.
Thank you, that's how I always looked at it. Some people kind of don't like the Hobbit because it's not the same as LotR, but it's not supposed to be. I have a few issues with these movies, but that's just me as a 39 year old. If I was a kid I would probably dig the more "silly" parts. I agree though, overall I think they did a pretty good job myself.
It’s a great Trilogy..... I never understood all of the hate. It’s an amazing story, and so much fun for fans of LOTR who went 10 years without any Tolkien movies on the big screen! Its not completely accurate to the book, but I don’t care! No classic novels brought to the big screen remain untouched or unchanged by directors, and producers.. Enjoy the next 2!!
Too many "Ultra-fanboyz (and Gurlz)" think that Tolkien is Holy Writ and should NEVER EVER be changed... (THAT'S BLASPHEMY, DONCHER NO?)... which would make them completely unfilmable. The same thing is happening with the 2nd Age TV Series . they are condemning it on the basis of (Doubtful) leaks and some very short clips and stills, not on the actual content. Personally I don't have an issue with many of the changes made, but there is some unecessary "padding" but a lot of the changes are lifted from the Appendices to LOTR and the Silmarillion, so they are "Lore-Friendly". The Added subplot regarding a certain female Elf I don't particularly care for, but it does illustrate just how far apart elves and dwarves had grown by this era. (And how unnecessary the estrangement was in some ways.) Adding in Legolas was not a big deal, as he was the Heir to Thranduil, the Woodelves' Ruler, and was alive at this time. (Legolas was born very early in the 3rd Age, I think, certainly after Thranduil came to the Greenwod (Mirkwood).
And while said Fans think nothing Tolkien wrote should NEVER, EVER be changed... they ignore the fact that he wrote and re-wrote most or all of his works any number of times, changing, adding and removing whole chapters, paragraphs and sentences, changing names and locations willy-nilly until he was satisfied. Heck he even revised entire plotlines and events that way... Pretty much all authors do this. So WHY would they think it is Holy Writ? Rant over.
You dropped some serious responses there…. I’ve read them twice, and still don’t know if we agree or not.. In the words of the Great Jeff Lebowski…. “ well, that’s just like your opinion man! “
Goblins are a mutant offshoot of Orcs; pale and twisted from living underground their entire lives. Dragons sleep on beds of gold because not only is it pretty, it is malleable enough to provide a cushion for their scales.
No mention of Gollum or the ring, in the wrap up? One of the most important characters and moments... ~she's just taking it all in for the first time not examining the film 👍🏿
When I first saw this in the cinemas you had the option of watching it in standard 24 FPS while select cinemas were offering it at 48 FPS. The 48 FPS made people feel sick and looked plain wrong for lack of a better word so they didn’t return to it. It looked more like a Telenovela than a blockbuster film
Well done! You got through it. I love The Hobbit too. Though I felt there was no need for the love story between one of the dwarfs and a she-elf. That part isn’t in the book.
Some of the material in this film was taken from the Silmarillion, Tolkien's writings of the First and Second Ages. The Hobbit and LOTR of course take place in the Third Age. If you plan on reading the books, the Silmarillion will be an exploration I recommend you also take.
I believe it is technically from the LotR appendices since they didn’t have rights to the Silmarillion. The appendices cover most of the same ground as On the Rings of Power and the Third Age in the Silmarillion.
#AddieCounts, you're so sweet. Thanks so much for uploading this awesome movie reaction. I love your content because it's so amazing, and I really enjoy watching you react to different movies. I subscribed to your channel yesterday, so I've decided to show my love and support for you.
The Dwarfs here are from Erebor trying to reclaim the mountains, which is a different kingdom than Moria :). Also this one is the best of the three hobbit movies, the third one is by far the worse.
Saruman wan never completely on Sauron's side, rather he was on both, and betraying both for his own power. At this time Saruman is searching along the same river Gollum found it on, seeking it for his own power. Though it is important to remember, at this time, Saruman is officially "good" and head of the order of the Wizards/
Hello Addie! Long time viewer, first time commenter. Love your reaction to this film. Enjoy the whole series. And then enjoy the books. They are very different from each other, but don't let that stop you from having a good time with both.
If you ever read all the books i think you will be surprised to find out how much of this is actually in the book. Quite a bit. Yes peter made some changes for film. But he did that also with TLOTR. In fact i would argue he put almost every thing from the book into the hobbit. Were as TLOTR movies leave out quite a bit.
If I might venture a humble suggestion, it would be nice if you included how many parts a reaction is divided into in the title/thumbnail. Like part 1/2 and 2/2 instead of just 1 and 2. It gives us viewers a better picture of how long the wait is going to be or how much time it's going to take when watching all parts in a row when they're all released.
The look of sheer delight on your face as you watch this trilogy says it all. Deliciously noiseful again today (and a few new ones). The Goblin king is played by legendary Australian satirist/comedian Barry 'Dame Edna' Humphries, barely recognisable here. Speaking of legends, Christopher Lee (Saruman) passed away not long after the trilogy was completed. Among his many colorful experiences in a long and illustrious career, he's the only cast member to have actually met J R R himself. And no, Saruman is not a puppet of Sauron yet. In fact, he's not even in it.
You're right that it's cool to see more of dwarf culture in these movies! There are a lot of them to keep track of but a few of them have connections to LOTR even though that doesn't have a ton of dwarves in it.
I love The Hobbit films. I've been a fan of the book(s) for many many years and I just envision the parts that are not in the books as Peter Jackson filling in the missing segments using his own vision. So this may be an unpopular opinion but I think these films are awesome.
One of the few qualms even possible to be considered with Tolkien...the Eagles. Once? Ok. Yet I, like most, am generally pleased on the eagle arrival at the most precarious of times.
That part when Bilbo looks at Gollum's eyes and decides to spare him always gets me.
The music is the same of that part of the Fellowship of the Ring where Gandalf tells Frodo that "the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many." Without Gollum, Frodo would never have destroyed the Ring and Sauron would have ruled Middle-Earth unchallenged.
That singular, brief moment when Bilbo lowers his sword and spares Gollum, the most wretched, malignant, and despicable living being in the world, is the moment Sauron lost and was vanquished forever.
The whole ridles in the dark scene is amazing. For me it really portrays the book scene very well and helps us to understand even more Smeagol.
@@luissimoes2645 Riddles in the Dark is my favorite chapter from the Hobbit, and is definitely my favorite scene from the movies.
@@Scapemaster00 mine too. And I apreciate that in the second movie they tried to make Bilbo have a conversation with Smaug as well like the one with Gollum. Both scenes give the same vibe. Instead of fighting his way out, Bilbo tries to talk his way out. I think I prefer the movie scene rather then the book scene where they enter Erebor.
The Stone giants are quite literally called Stone Giants in the books, they throw rocks at each other for fun apparently lol
Some things just love to fight i suppose. xD
The book is more of a kids book ( but still very much worth reading ) it was meant for a younger audience than The Lord of the Rings. That book changed my life. I was a D-F Student, A C was considered a high grade for me. As a freshman in High School a substitute teacher gave me The Hobbit and asked me to read it. Not for a report but just to tell her what I thought of it. I fell in love with reading, which turned me into a straight A student, I read everything, even textbooks with zeal. She changed my life, I wish I could remember her name.
Also the eagle that saved Gandalf in this movie and in the fellowship is called Gwahir and he is the kind of the eagles and the reason why the eagles always come to Gandalf’s is because Gwahir was shot down by a poison arrow and Gandalf found him and healed him and ever since then they have always helped Gandalf when ever he really needs it.
Gwaihir is actually quite ancient, having been around since the First Age. He & his brother Thorondor guarded the first Dark Lord Morgoth in his captivity & even scratched his face in combat. In the Second Age they had an eerie at the summit of Meneltarma the central mountain of Numenor.
Given their great age & intelligence it's likely but never explicitly stated that the Eagles were Maia under one of the Valar, in this case Manwe.
It always puzzled me why Jackson and the other writers did not include Gwahir's name in any of these films.
@@Jim_in_TN Too busy adding their own made up musings to include more of the ACTUAL content of the book.
Gandalf : I had no idea Lord Elrond had sent for you. Also Gandalf : Elrond, why is your mother-in-law here?
I thought it was grandmother in law. I might be wrong and check my lore again.
@@aaronburdon221 Galadriel is Aragorn’s grandmother in law.
Saruman was never under the influence of Sauron.
He freely joined forces with him with absolute loyalty.
i loved your reaction to Bilbo's words to Thorin by the end.. Martin freeman and the writers gave it all to give life to this unique hobbit, he shines of courage and pureness, as a drop of water capable to break a rock (thorin). Beautiful reaction❤
Giants like throwing rocks,
elves & dwarves don't get along,
wizards love towers,
dragons like shiny,
and goblins are jerks.
...and on this & more, D&D was built.
On this and Conan.
I know Tolkien said Saruman was out for himself by this point but I like Christopher Lee's explanation better. Saruman is condescending but "he is a good decent and noble man. Later on when he says "Leave Sauron to me he means it. Others can of course have their own opinions but that's mine.
Saruman did think he was taking the right course of action. Based on the information he had.
Saruman's social page status says, it is complicated. 😂
Saruman wasn't evil at first, but his jealousy drove him to evil. He wanted to be the most favored and most powerful but Gandalf was superceding him. Saruman believed that only great power can keep evil in check, he didn't necessarily believe in the power of good.
So this all goes back to when Valar (the gods of the world) chose the Maia (the wizards) to go to Middle Earth to stop Sauron, Saurman was the first to volunteer while Gandalf literally begged not to be sent. This caused Saurman to dislike Gandalf and began his jealousy as he was chosen to be the first among the wizards while Gandalf who didn’t want to go was chosen as second among them. He was also forced to bring Radagast with him which is why he hates Radagast and mocks him.
He later learns that Gandalf is given one of the three elven rings rather than himself as the leader and most powerful of the wizards which further stokes his envy and jealousy which is why while he is polite to Gandalf you see him constantly shoot down Gandalfs suggestions and fears and basically says Gandalf is paranoid from smoking the hobbits weed (which he himself would secret smoke as a way of saying “anything you can do I can do better). He also feared Gandalf would try to take his place as the leader of the wizards and with the White Council (the meeting held at Rivendell) while Saurman was made the head of the council Galadriel had wanted Gandalf to lead them.
So Saurman had started out as being good and noble but jealousy, anger and fear pushed him to want more power to retain his appearance of authority, one of the visual representations I liked in the movies is that while the movies only refer to Saurman as the White (removing his self imposed title of Many Colours) his robs become increasingly more dirty and greyed as though showing his fall from grace physically.
Hi Addie,
there are seven Dwarven Kingdoms in Middle-Earth. If you remember the intro of The Fellowship of the Ring there were seven rings of power given to the Dwarves, one for each of their Kings. The Lonely Mountain, Erebor, was the greatest of the Dwarven Kingdoms. The others kingdoms weren't as powerful due to the wealth that Erebor accumulated over the centuries since the Second Age. Moria, Khazad-dum, is one of the seven Dwarven Kingdoms. The others were still around during the time before the ring.
don't u mean Moria?
@@humblefolk1499 Yes, it was a typo. Ill correct it.
I think the films on their own merits are actually quite decent. Especially when you hear about how hellish their development was and you gain a lot of sympathy for Jackson and his team.
However, as adaptations of the original book they are hit and miss at best. The Lord of the Rings films changed a lot from the books, but the Hobbit films even more so. Including some bizarre creative choices and a lot of cartoonish filler scenes. So it's easy to understand why those who love the books have, umm, complicated thoughts about the films.
The books were for kids. I think the movie dwarfs are far more interesting for example
Ugh, the long ninja dwarf scenes are atrocious. The rush definitely hurt the moves, like you can tell that they had to recycle music rather than compose new themes. But making them three movies in the same style as the LotR was the problem from the beginning.
First one was ok. Second and third are bad.
@@Сайтамен well, I disagree. But I think it’s ok.
@@Sage2000 I agree 100%. "The Hobbit" is the retelling of the story by Bilbo to young hobbits (displayed perfectly at the beginning of the LoTR films at his birthday party where he is literally retelling the troll scene from this story) and eventually put on paper ("There and Back Again"), with all the "additions" one would expect given the story is being told to an audience of children or being retold by an "old man" who romanticizes his earlier life. A great example of this is that people are often confused as to why the trolls in this story/movie speak and are somewhat "cultured" whereas those in the LotR are NOTHING like this. That's because these sorts of details are purely from the imagination of Bilbo. In the actual events, the trolls were not wearing "hobbit clothes" or talking to each other about how to cook and season food ... that's what hobbits do, not what trolls do. These details are (to me anyway) clearly added by Bilbo and not representative of what actually happened ... but they make for a GREAT children's story! Unlike the LotR which is meant to be an epic more like Homer or Gilgamesh or Beowulf, "The Hobbit" is a children's story. And the movies actually do a pretty good job of capturing that feeling, just as the LotR movies capture an epic adventure feel.
I love this movie. Probably my second favorite of the six Peter Jackson Middle-Earth movies.
To the question “was Saruman already under the influence of Sauron”, no. When the Istari also known as the “Wizards” first arived at middle earth Gandalf was given the ring Narya from Círdan, one of the three rings of power given to the elves. Saruman was jealous of this gift and started to despise Gandalf, thinking that the others would eventually make Gandalf the leader of the Istari and that despise grew ever long. Then when the white council was formed Saruman was made their leader but Galadriel wanted Gandalf to be their leader but Gnadalf declined. At the white council we see in the movie Gandalf begins to suspect that Saruman longs for the One Ring and Saruman and long been studying The Dark Lord. Then after the attack on Dol Guldur Sauron was driven back to Mordor where he took up his Throne. This is when Sauron reaches Saruman through the Palantír (the seeing stones we see in LOTR) and Saruman became entised and thus became a servent of Sauron. Tried to make this explanation short, so much much more of the lore I could get into, but yeah. Good reaction, cant wait for you to read the books
The Riddle Game is worth the price of admission.
Can you imagine if they had included all of it?
Christopher Lee was so happy he got to play Saruman one last time and be able to portray him when he was still good, before he became corrupted by Sauron and the Palantir.
Addie!!! I love how you talk the characters. You are too darn cute! Thanks for the content.
The Riddle's in the dark scene maybe my favourite scene in the movie and Azog is such a underrated villain wish he got more to do in the movies!
Azog is OKAY as a "threat" but honestly I feel that he was way way overused. He should've been done at or around the end of this movie.
5:32
Goblins and orcs are the same species, but had over time evolved into various breeds. Goblins being orcs adapted to life underground
Just to let you know Erebor the City in the Lonely Mountain is not Moria which was the city in The Lord Of The Rings. I did Love your jump scare when Smaug exhaled. I also Loved your reaction when Thorin Oakenshield Bilbo what he was thinking, then when he exclaimed he had never been so wrong. Thank you Addie, I really want you to do reactions comparing the books to the movies, there are some channels which will explain what was left out, but no one has actually done a comparison video, chapter by chapter. I believe you would get as many views as you do your movie reviews.
The ONLY problems i have with The Hobbit movies are the CG Orcs aren't nearly as menacing as the practical effect ones and the padded out story is a little meh. Besides that it's pretty great.
I agree with this. Movies overall are really enjoyable, just those little details could have made them a tiny bit better
"ONLY problems" my ass. Even one issue can drag movie down, and Hobbit trilogy has multiple.
But as with Game of Thrones, almost all the blame should be laid upon "showrunners". In this case, studio execs
@@VladissimoTheMocker If you read the person’s post again it says “The ONLY problems I have…” It’s what they think.
Azog looks great.
@@Сайтамен wow. You are the first person I've ever come across who thinks that.
Even Peter Jackson himself wasn't happy with it. But it was due to lack of time because of last minute changes to the character.
He was originally an actor in prosthetics. But they changed his part in the story and due to lack of time they had to redo his parts with CGI. Which looks horribly fake.
POI: The city under the Mountain of Erebor, isn't the great city shown in the Lord of the Rings. They are separate dwarven cities. But still, you are right. It's fun to see the city in it's splendor.
Wonderful reaction and commentary. A very emotional end. A great jump scare. I really enjoyed watching this. I'm looking forward to your next video. Thank you. 😁
So the thing that gave Sauron his opening with Saruman was the seeing stones, Palantiri. Sauron could use them to manipulate whoever was at the other end. It's hard to know precisely when his influence started but it had to be some time after Sauron regained some of his power.
I always thought this was a good hobbit movie and it got more backlash than it should. Half of the reviews were about the 48 fps and CG. This movie had a lot of heart in it.
Most of my problems with these movies is focused on they other two films. This one does so many things right and just needed some tighter editing.
Since it is a children book, Im happy for it, in the tradition of the Lord of the Rings feels. It's delightful and fun for the children.
I rate The Hobbit films 7/6/3.
This one is alright. But I do hate the overuse of CGI.
@@Nloveru Overuse of CGI was mainly because of lack of time. In LOTR they had years to prepare. If you haven't seen the last movies extended edition in 4k you totally should! Still not great but it makes it alot better imo.
@@evenstar1608 “Fun for the children”? They literally showed a dwarf’s severed head in that opening sequence lol
75% of everything in these movies never happened in the book, it was a children's book written for a 12 yr old
I know people complain about where they are falling with the bridge. That scene though kind of depicts a real life miracle where a window washer in New York fell 47 floors down, when he was in the center of the scaffolding, but the buildings slowly narrowed to a point that slowed him just enough that he didnt die. He still lost his brother and had a ton of operations but he lived.
Lol, when you see Smaug in the next movie, fun little fact: He’s the smallest dragon to live in Middle-Earth. Ancalagon The Black was as big as a mountain range. That’s a bunch mountains grouped together. Not just one mountain. Smaug name has a nickname too. Smaug “The Golden.”
I jumped out of my seat during that jump scare in theaters 😂 so glad we are still getting Tolkien movies from you! Great vid!!
Saruman was still his own master at this point, but had begun to think of Sauron as a rival rather than an enemy.
I love this Bilbo. I think Martin freemen played him perfectly
(Bilbo falls.)
"Oh no, that's. . very bad."
Me: You think that's bad, wait until you see who's down there.
2:11 - I clearly remember reading that he was already corrupted either in the Hobbit or in LOTR. That's why he was trying to discard the idea that the necromancer was Sauron to buy Sauron time to get stronger.
Regardless what people say, the first movie is very accurate (personally I think it's even improved). The only major change is the group of orcs chasing them, but that makes the movie more interesting because in the book nobody chases them until after they escape the mine so you don't really have that sense of urgency.
Hi, loved your reaction. I'll only point out one mistake here. In the end you said, it was interesting to see what their home looked like before the fellowship got there. Moria and Erebor are two kingdoms of the dwarfs. They are two very different places in different parts of Middle Earth:-)
Just some details from the books, if you're interested. Durin's folk, one of the seven Houses of the dwarves, had Khazad-dum (Moria) as their ancestral home from the First Age into the Third Age. It was after they woke the Balrog almost 2,000 years into the Third Age that the dwarves of Moria fled, with most going to Erebor (the Lonely Mountain) and some to the Iron Hills. So all of these are homes for the House of Durin (the Longbeards). Some of the other Houses of Dwarves had their halls in the Grey Mountains of the north, where a number of dragons had shown up to plunder them and destroy the resident dwarves in the centuries before Smaug attacked Erebor.
Btw, according to the LotR Appendices, one of those other dragons (Scatha) was killed by one of Theoden's distant ancestors, so that particular group of dwarves was unhappy with the Eotheod for claiming their treasure, just because their human leader had killed the dragon. And he did send those dwarves a necklace made from the teeth of Scatha to tweak their pride...
@@parissimons6385 True😊
@@parissimons6385 As a person who hasn't read the books (I know. Why not?) I was always a little confused on that point. Thanks for clearing that up.
Saruman wasn't fully under Saurons "effect" even in the time lord of the rings, Saruman still believes that he might be able to use Saurons techniques and knowledge to rival him in some way, being deceived, he doesn't realize he's already doomed to be his servant. At this point Saruman is already interested in ringlore, but he's probably still thinking improving the world, it's just that what that means is slowly getting distorted and even here already has a big amount of self-interest in it.
Saruman was just beginning to turn to evil at this point. None of the others on the White Council knew, and Saruman was even deluding himself about his motives.
I don't think that at this point Saruman was even beginning to turn evil - iirc, that started to happen after the White Council drove the Necromancer from Dol Guldur and he went back to Mordor and openly revealed himself as Sauron, which ties in to Gandalf in LotR going to Saruman for counsel since he didn't know Saruman had turned
@@ThanesTito I looked this up. In the books, Gandalf speculates that Saruman may have learned of Isildur's end and urged the attack on Dol Guldur to prevent Sauron from searching the Gladden Fields and the Anduin. He openly speculates if Saruman had been already turning to evil by the time of the White Council, but the books do not definitively say he had.
@Addie Counts saruman at this point in the franchise was technically still on the good side, he was secretly jealous of Gandalf but he wasn't on saurons side yet. All he wanted was more respect and to bring order to middle earth at any cost.
So I came across a theory as to why Gandalf is so grumpy all the time, and it has to do with the background lore that Tolkien came up with for Middle Earth.
The in-lore creator of Middle Earth, according to Tolkien, is a God named Eru, and he's attended by a host of powerful celestial beings called Maiar, who are effectively angels (Sauron and the Balrog, incidentally, are Maiar who fell from grace and became demonic). At some point, five Maiar known as the Istari were sent by Eru to go down to Middle Earth and take on the form of human-looking wizards, and then serve as Middle-Earth's guardians and protectors, and Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast were all among them. But as you already know, Saruman eventually turns evil. Radagast, meanwhile, went native, and the other two wizards kinda went off on their own adventures. The result? Gandalf ended up the the only one of the Istari who was still actually trying to do his job, and now he has to take up the slack of the other four.
So why is Gandalf so grouchy? Because he's one wizard trying to do the jobs of five. Tell me you wouldn't be a little testy too.
That's just a theory, of course, but it's one I find interesting.
No one's ready for Smaug, the dragon archetype. That will be a fun reaction. I don't know how you can hate about these movies when there's literally the best dragon ever in it. That's all they had to do, really to live up to the book, cover some other key parts which they did. They nailed Smaug, though, that's what mattered. That's what fans of the book came to see.
FYI: the Kingdom Under the (Lonely) Mountain is Erebor, a completely different place than Moria, where the Dwarves had a different Kingdom and which the Fellowship traveled through. I suggest checking an online map of Middle Earth to get oriented.
Moria and the goblin tunnels we saw in this movie might also be connected. They both pass under the Misty Mountains, just at different points along the mountain chain.
The two towers theme plays when saroman appears
Love that little touch
At the time of the Hobbit, Saruman was a good, wise and slightly grumpy wizard who led the fight against Sauron. But Galadriel, as she does, mistrusted him and suspected him of wanting the One Ring.
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Your commentary is always so great with these reactions.
Erebor is not a place, where Fellowship fought Goblins and Balorog, it was Moria, you can see it in flashback, when Azog beheaded Thorin's grandfather
I love how your opinion concerning birds performed a complete 180 over these movies.
Saruman desired the ring, at this point, in the story. Not many characters could use the ring to defeat Sauron. Aragorn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Saruman, and the Baelrog actually could use the ring against the enemy, it would just corrupt them, and they would replace Sauron as a tyrant because part of Sauron is in the ring. Saruman is the only one focused on the ring this early, in the story. That's basically his motivation the whole time, get the ring to beat Sauron, he just becomes a villain, in doing so. He would have turned on Sauron, if he got the ring in Lord of the Rings, it just wouldn't have made him a good guy, and it would have been as bad as Sauron getting it. It's why Gandalf wouldn't touch it.
Just so you know the home that the dwarfs are heading to the lonely mountain is not the same home that you see in lord of the rings that is destroyed. I have read the books and had them read to me during my childhood so just to give you a little bit of knowledge and insight here are the names of the dwarf kingdoms.
1. Khazad-dûm, under the Misty Mountains.
2. Nogrod & Belegost under the blue mountains.
3. Erebor under the lonely mountain.
4. The gray mountains.
5. The Iron Hills.
6. Glittering caves.
There is another dwarf kingdom in Red Mountains/Orocarni.
@@andythecrimson8877 that's right I missed that one I'm getting old forgetting things I guess.
bilbo"the worst is behind us"
everyone yeahh nope did you forget the dragon!
Just so you know, Saruman was not under the influence of Sauron during the Hobbit
Be mindful: the Lonely Mountain is NOT the same place as the mines of Moria which the Fellowship travels through in LOTR.
Different tales show different versions of dragons. In my opinion, Tolkiens version of them is one of the strongest and most intimidating.
I like the hobbit movies, Tolkien would have hated them though, but he would also hate the LOTR movies, but I enjoy his work on paper and film. I’ll even check out the new Amazon series, because after all, all these works are basically fanfiction and inspiration from the legendary literary craft that Tolkien manifested in all its glory. And paying homage to his life’s work, even if he would have hated it, keeps his stories relevant and brings them to people who would never have found them without these fan creations based on his work.
At this time Gimli was considered too young to accompany Thorin although in Gimli's words "At 62, I thought I was ready to conquer the world".
I also found the Hobbit films fun, they're (as a a book too) more light-hearted and somewhat whimsical compared to LotR which tends to be much heavier in tone.
As far as stand alone movies, the Hobbit trilogy isn’t bad, but could have been better.
The real problem comes from the meddling of the studio. They demanded a trilogy… Of a single book that is about half as long as just one of the LotR books… Simply because they wanted to cash in on the original trilogy.
So to get enough material to get the run time needed, they dug into the extended lore… Then added characters and story lines, among other things.
The stuff with Gandalf and the Necromancer was simply mentioned in the book, but the details are part of extended lore. Also because the original LotR trilogy exists, the Hobbit movies call back to them a lot, so characters like Gandalf seem to know more than they should at this point in time. Saruman was corrupted in the LotR, so he has to act a bit shady here… All in all, had it been shortened to two movies, they may have been better on the whole.
To be fair, much of the events in the book do exist in the movies, but altered in various ways… typically to make them more “exciting” to watch.
They added a single antagonist in Azog, to carry the conflict for the first part of the story. In the books they have adventures and fight bad guys, but there is not a single “main” bad guy, other than the dragon, but he doesn’t show up for half the story. They added Azog to have a focus for the first movie.
They also upped the action and intensity of many parts of the story. Turning the action up to 11 in some scenes… And even at times when what once would have been a fairly minor event, suddenly is a life or death struggle of physics defying feats of combat with a hoard of enemies. This was likely more studio meddling… To make sure audiences didn’t get bored I guess. (It’s a common feature in movies made in the past several years, the big wigs think the audience will tune out and lose interest if something flashy and exciting doesn’t happen every 5 minutes or so)
The switch to CGI is also a downgrade over the original LotR movies… The practical effects and makeup used for the orcs really made the movie feel more real.
The book has a more light hearted feel of excitement and adventure… It was written with a younger audience in mind after all…
I sincerely hope you’ll watch the Extended Director’s Cut of the other two Hobbit films, Addie. Here’s one of the scenes the Extended Edition of this one that you missed, and it’s a pretty important one lore-wise because it tells what happened to the Seven Dwarven Rings of Power:
Gandalf-“Does it not worry you that the last of the Dwarf Rings, should simply vanish, along with its bearer? Of the Seven Dwarven Rings, four were consumed by Dragons. Two were taken by Sauron before he fell in Mordor. The fate of the last Dwarf Ring, remains unknown? The ring that was worn by Thrain (Thorin’s father).”
Saruman-“Without the Ruling Ring of Power, the Seven are of no value to the Enemy. To control the other rings, he needs the One. And that Ring was lost long ago.”
What's interesting about the rings is that Gloin comes with Gimli to the Council of Elrond in the Fellowship of the Ring to ask for council after a messenger came to Ederas offering a number of the lost dwarven rings and friendship with Sauron and Mordor, in exchage for a "trifling trinket, a small unadorned ring"
The timeline is one of the slight tweaks they made but at this point Saruman has not allied with Sauron, although he has already become corrupted and is using his influence to try and improve his odds of getting the one ring for himself.
Erebor and Moria are two different dwarf kingdoms.
At this point Saruman wasn't evil yet. He will become after this movie (I mean the hobbit movies, not this first part in peticuliar).
The movie follows the book fairly faithfully in terms of the story, although not everything included in the movie was in the book. The "pale orc" (Azog) is an addition, but originally comes from one of the appendices in "Lord of the Rings." However, in Tolkien's original writings, Azog was slain almost 150 years before the Hobbit (although his son Bolt was in the Hobbit).
Most of what is added are scenes that expand upon what is written, and also to lighten up the story a bit. The Hobbit is actually a children's book, and considerably lighter in tone than Lord of the Rings. That presented a challenge, since in movie form it needed to conform more to the look and feel of the Lord of the Rings movies. For example, when the dwarves enter Bilbo's hobbit hole, each has a different brightly colored cloak (red, green, blue, yellow, etc). That wouldn't work well here, so instead they played up the humor and fun, such as the battle in Goblintown. Some scenes were also altered to provide more direct links to Lord of the Rings, something which Tolkien himself did in later editions of the Hobbit. Part of this was undoubtedly to bring some favorite characters/actors to the Hobbit who didn't appear in the book, such as Saruman (although he was alive at that time and his history goes back much farther in Tolkien's other writings).
Personally, I don't have an issue with the added story elements, even if they weren't entirely necessary, and I think they way Jackson did a good job of threading the needle between the feel of the Lord of the Rings movies and book The Hobbit.
You're gonna love the next movie ^^!
Hi Addie, glad you enjoyed this movie, along with the admittedly stronger LotR movies. I've enjoyed your reactions to all of them thus far. And good for you for committing to reading the books after you see the movies. Keep in mind that The Hobbit movies draw on the book, The Hobbit, as well as on info contained in the Appendices to LotR, and possibly bits from The Unfinished Tales (yes, another book, drawn from drafts of tales of Middle Earth by Prof. Tolkien).
When you read the book of The Hobbit, you may be interested also to hear the only long extract from the book that JRR Tolkien recorded, onto magnetic tape in the early 1950s. He read most of the chapter, "Riddles in the Dark", and I'm guessing that you can figure out what happens in that chapter. The recording was released on LP in the 1970s (along with shorter excerpts from LotR), and was reissued on CD more recently. As an older Tolkien fan, I still have both the LPs and the CDs of JRR (and Christopher) Tolkien reading from The Hobbit, LotR, and The Silmarillion. Here is a link to the first part of The Hobbit recording, which has been uploaded to UA-cam.
ua-cam.com/video/0c6mcEPhhRg/v-deo.html
The White haired, kindly old Dwarf is Balin, Thorin's cousin and the Dwarf whose tomb the Fellowship find in Moria, (Balin, son of Fundin, Lord of Moria" is carved in Dwarven Runes, on the covering) in the Fellowship of the Rings". After the Hobbit he took a number of Dwarfs (Recruited from the Iron Hills and Blue Mountains) to Moria to try to reclaim it from the Orcs and Goblins and, at first they were successful, and according to letters from Balin, and "A great Work was begun there" (Gimli in the Books) but after a few years Moria and Balin fell silent, and no-one who went there ever returned... until the Fellowship. You can guess why.....
Saruman was never under the influence of Sauron. He just decided to betray the very reason he and the other Maia in the Istari Order because he thought Sauron was going to win the war. The irony, of course, is that defeating Sauron would have been way easier with him as an ally.
The Hobbit was written to be mainly a children's book. The Lord of the Rings followed and was meant for a more mature audience. But they still did a very good job with these movies. IMO.
Thank you, that's how I always looked at it. Some people kind of don't like the Hobbit because it's not the same as LotR, but it's not supposed to be. I have a few issues with these movies, but that's just me as a 39 year old. If I was a kid I would probably dig the more "silly" parts. I agree though, overall I think they did a pretty good job myself.
Love your reacts, Addie! Keep 'em comin'!
Hehee you are quessing right action to do every time hehee im so sold to ur insight view. You truly are wise
I liiiike it Soo much when you get jump scares hahahaha....I liked your reactions
0:07 best intro and best scene in movie
Fantastic reactions :3 cuts in right places, good job, heck, great job!
Fun fact: Kate Blanchet and Ian McKellen were such grab-asses with each other between takes, and she usually started it with him!
20:42 I think you are mixing up Moria with Erebor. What we see at the end is Erebor/Lonely Mountain.
It’s a great Trilogy..... I never understood all of the hate. It’s an amazing story, and so much fun for fans of LOTR who went 10 years without any Tolkien movies on the big screen! Its not completely accurate to the book, but I don’t care! No classic novels brought to the big screen remain untouched or unchanged by directors, and producers.. Enjoy the next 2!!
Too many "Ultra-fanboyz (and Gurlz)" think that Tolkien is Holy Writ and should NEVER EVER be changed... (THAT'S BLASPHEMY, DONCHER NO?)... which would make them completely unfilmable. The same thing is happening with the 2nd Age TV Series . they are condemning it on the basis of (Doubtful) leaks and some very short clips and stills, not on the actual content. Personally I don't have an issue with many of the changes made, but there is some unecessary "padding" but a lot of the changes are lifted from the Appendices to LOTR and the Silmarillion, so they are "Lore-Friendly". The Added subplot regarding a certain female Elf I don't particularly care for, but it does illustrate just how far apart elves and dwarves had grown by this era. (And how unnecessary the estrangement was in some ways.) Adding in Legolas was not a big deal, as he was the Heir to Thranduil, the Woodelves' Ruler, and was alive at this time. (Legolas was born very early in the 3rd Age, I think, certainly after Thranduil came to the Greenwod (Mirkwood).
And while said Fans think nothing Tolkien wrote should NEVER, EVER be changed... they ignore the fact that he wrote and re-wrote most or all of his works any number of times, changing, adding and removing whole chapters, paragraphs and sentences, changing names and locations willy-nilly until he was satisfied. Heck he even revised entire plotlines and events that way... Pretty much all authors do this. So WHY would they think it is Holy Writ? Rant over.
You dropped some serious responses there…. I’ve read them twice, and still don’t know if we agree or not.. In the words of the Great Jeff Lebowski…. “ well, that’s just like your opinion man! “
This. All of this. Finally a fan with sense and the ability to actually enjoy life 😂
Goblins are a mutant offshoot of Orcs; pale and twisted from living underground their entire lives.
Dragons sleep on beds of gold because not only is it pretty, it is malleable enough to provide a cushion for their scales.
Best jump scares on UA-cam!!!!!!❤
I agree with you! I really liked these movies. Great reaction, as usual.
No mention of Gollum or the ring, in the wrap up? One of the most important characters and moments...
~she's just taking it all in for the first time not examining the film 👍🏿
When I first saw this in the cinemas you had the option of watching it in standard 24 FPS while select cinemas were offering it at 48 FPS. The 48 FPS made people feel sick and looked plain wrong for lack of a better word so they didn’t return to it. It looked more like a Telenovela than a blockbuster film
Well done! You got through it. I love The Hobbit too. Though I felt there was no need for the love story between one of the dwarfs and a she-elf. That part isn’t in the book.
I'd suggest watching the extended versions of the next movies. They just add more to it like the LoTR extended versions did.
The extended version of BotFA is insane! 😲
Some of the material in this film was taken from the Silmarillion, Tolkien's writings of the First and Second Ages. The Hobbit and LOTR of course take place in the Third Age. If you plan on reading the books, the Silmarillion will be an exploration I recommend you also take.
I believe it is technically from the LotR appendices since they didn’t have rights to the Silmarillion. The appendices cover most of the same ground as On the Rings of Power and the Third Age in the Silmarillion.
Look forward to you videos, keep up the great work!
#AddieCounts, you're so sweet. Thanks so much for uploading this awesome movie reaction. I love your content because it's so amazing, and I really enjoy watching you react to different movies. I subscribed to your channel yesterday, so I've decided to show my love and support for you.
The Dwarfs here are from Erebor trying to reclaim the mountains, which is a different kingdom than Moria :). Also this one is the best of the three hobbit movies, the third one is by far the worse.
Gilmi's father, Gloin, is one of the 13 dwarves. He's the only one who looks similar to Gimli.
Saruman wan never completely on Sauron's side, rather he was on both, and betraying both for his own power. At this time Saruman is searching along the same river Gollum found it on, seeking it for his own power.
Though it is important to remember, at this time, Saruman is officially "good" and head of the order of the Wizards/
Lovely reaction. Excellent.
Bilbo kinda grows on us
Hello Addie! Long time viewer, first time commenter. Love your reaction to this film. Enjoy the whole series. And then enjoy the books. They are very different from each other, but don't let that stop you from having a good time with both.
If you ever read all the books i think you will be surprised to find out how much of this is actually in the book. Quite a bit. Yes peter made some changes for film. But he did that also with TLOTR. In fact i would argue he put almost every thing from the book into the hobbit. Were as TLOTR movies leave out quite a bit.
your channel gets better and better all the time. can't wait for a live-stream one day
"They're gonna let them down off that high rock though right?" lol no. Not in the book either.
If I might venture a humble suggestion, it would be nice if you included how many parts a reaction is divided into in the title/thumbnail. Like part 1/2 and 2/2 instead of just 1 and 2. It gives us viewers a better picture of how long the wait is going to be or how much time it's going to take when watching all parts in a row when they're all released.
You should watch the extended version.... They give a better understanding of the movie as a whole....
The look of sheer delight on your face as you watch this trilogy says it all. Deliciously noiseful again today (and a few new ones). The Goblin king is played by legendary Australian satirist/comedian Barry 'Dame Edna' Humphries, barely recognisable here. Speaking of legends, Christopher Lee (Saruman) passed away not long after the trilogy was completed. Among his many colorful experiences in a long and illustrious career, he's the only cast member to have actually met J R R himself. And no, Saruman is not a puppet of Sauron yet. In fact, he's not even in it.
You're right that it's cool to see more of dwarf culture in these movies! There are a lot of them to keep track of but a few of them have connections to LOTR even though that doesn't have a ton of dwarves in it.
It's literally gonna be pointed out in the next movie. There was no need to tell her this now
@@MrPsych77 lol my bad, forgot they included that. I haven't seen them for years. I usually try not to spoil things, Good catch.
2:15 No but he was already intrigued by the power of the rings.
I love The Hobbit films. I've been a fan of the book(s) for many many years and I just envision the parts that are not in the books as Peter Jackson filling in the missing segments using his own vision. So this may be an unpopular opinion but I think these films are awesome.
I love your reactions 😄👍🏻
I think this is the best of the hobbit movies.
5:55 is a GIF in waiting. Make it so, people of the intertubes.
One of the few qualms even possible to be considered with Tolkien...the Eagles. Once? Ok.
Yet I, like most, am generally pleased on the eagle arrival at the most precarious of times.