Your favorite all-around charger from your shopping list (Hobbymate / Hota D6 Pro) offers the same function. Select Power Supply function on either channel and adjust your voltage, amerage, wattage. One device to run them all.
Was going to point this out as well, it seems not many people know it has that function. Best fpv purchase I've made so far! Although this unit looks a bit more user friendly for that purpose.
I think your motor was probably vibrating because of the way brushless motors work. That's why they need three connectors. I was switching the wires in a brushless motor to reverse direction with a battery plugged in and it had a similar shaking while only 2/3 wires were connected. The other thing is that you mentioned gallium nitride (GaN) electronic parts. I know that those are generally higher quality and are used in computer chargers like those made by RavPower.
13:30 Hmm. So I guess we know what they skimped on to get it so small: Smoothing capacitors. More worrying is the fact that the supply was saying it was outputting 2.3 A when it was set to a 2 A limit.
I love your reviews over any other. Honest and too the point. Don't trip if you get an unfavorable review. I buy stuff that Joshua reviews that isn't showered in sunshine. I just want to know exactly what I'm buying. Joshua delivers honestly heartfelt reviews. I respect that.
I highly appreciate the transparency and honesty Mr. Bardwell practices. Glad to see that. So I can decide by myself how trustworthy I would rate the review.. BUT I would also appreciate Mr. Knowitall remains his absolute independence regarding particalr brands and reviews... All in all: great behavior, but please be carefull to not loose the objetivity.
You can judge for yourself whether you feel the content is objective and honest. Anybody is welcome to support me via various methods, but it doesn't change the content that I make.
I like that it has the USB c with quick charge and power delivery. That would be a perfect place to plug in a USB c powered soldering iron. Recently found out that you can buy usb-c power delivery triggered cords that output to a DC power jack. This power supply, that cord, and a ts100 is a 3 hit combo for field work or tight workbenches. Thanks for showing the short comings. It's not perfect, but it's an option. And a compact one at that. END OF LINE
If the size is an issue you may want to check the MDP-P905 power supply. It's DC powered only and more expensive but it's tiny and also has dedicated on/off button. It works great as a smoke stopper and to calibrate voltage/current sensors in Betaflight.
just as a headsup, my hota d6 plus has a power supply capability too. Not sure about the about the other hotas but it helps with stuff like testing components on the bench without having to spend 100 bucks on something like this
As Ohm tells - better have higher voltage with less current. Because any wire also has a resistance, and the higher currency we have, the more lose we have on wire. Actually it is the reason why we have cross-town power supply higher voltage then inhouse
During your motor test I see that the voltage output actually dropped to almost nothing and that was most likely from a protection circuit like a crowbar. The low resistance of the tiny motor coil will seem like a dead short to the power supply, sometimes even if it is within operating ranges. This is perhaps due to the Impedance of the PS becoming larger that the load impedance. or something smart sounding..
when you were testing the motor, that is DC, it's the magnets that are likely causing the vibration or perhaps as you said the limiter, but I don't know if the limiter would cause an oscillation or if it just brick walls it at the desired amp limit.
Pulse width modulation (PWM) is used in a lot of high amp output power supply. If you had an oscilloscope you would see that when reaching the set limit of the power supply. It's still direct current (DC) but it has noise in the DC output. Being a prior electronic technician that did circuit card repairs, I do have the tools and knowledge to test these speculations you have.
I bought one of these just two days ago. Mainly for powering my gear, quads, goggles, vtx and so forth. But unfortunately I did fry mine in a second 😩. I was doing some current calibration for a little 120 mm toothpick, small motors without props. Under betaflight motor testing everything was quite fine. Pushed the motors to different rpm to read out current for calibration. Input was 12.4 V an 5A limitation. But as I moved my sticks on my transmitter to push the motors, I immediately fried it while cutting throttle all the way down to zero. Within betaflight I slightly adjusted power to the motors and that worked fine. But cutting throttle from high rpm did cause over-voltage I guess and killed my power supply in milliseconds. I am very sure that demage was not because of over current, as it exploded on throttle cut an not throttle raise. Any suggestions? Did you try anything similar? Or anyone else?
the ECS's takes the DC-voltage input and basically chops it and is then electronically controlled and then spits out a varying 3-phase voltage; your motor can use.
The reason behind this being so small is mainly the size of the capacitors they are using. Bigger more expensive power supplies use big bulk capacitors, and a lot of them to reduce any DC ripple. This thing at high loads like you where testing with the motor will for sure have huge ripple. Some electronic devices arnt designed to accept this ripple. Also this psu can also be used to charge up lithium batteries. No need to plug an additional charger onto it. 👍🏻
If I'm not mistaken AC to DC uses switches so yea it will oscillate. 120V to 10V it has to open and close so many times a sec that's why it's not a lab-grade bench power supply.
I used this cutie, and it is sooo good. No longer use my lipo for soldering. It's so good. The size is great. I hope it lasts longer than my M4Q, that one smelled a bit and now just 3 slots are working.
Given how critical the voltage level can be to some devices, especially if you're going to use it to drive 3.3v or 5v things, putting the power-output on/off function on the same dial as the voltage level setting is a very big NO NO. The power-output on/off needs its own separate button that does nothing else.
My P200 arrived today, I upgraded the firmware, set the current limit to 0.5A, and tested current limiting. There was a loud bang, and now it does not work on AC. It still works on DC. The AC board shows significant damage including a damaged chopper device and a blown track. I bought it from an Ali-Express seller
A DC power supply was one of the first things I bought when I got into the hobby. When starting a new quad I'd set it to 1A and never needed a smoke stopper. I have no idea why everyone doesn't have one. They'll spend money on smoke stoppers but then use a battery to test everything, or batteries of different voltages. I only use my power supply for every quad. I only use batteries to test fly. The power supply was $60. Worth every penny and I use it for WAY more that just quadcopters.
I use my old power supply (computer power supply) from when I used a toolkit and it is just attached to my bench now. Runs my soldering iron and then if I need to power up a build I use the smoke stopper with a little extension on it. Seems to work but this would be awesome to have. Haha
Diagnosing USB devices - check out the Mustool UD18, a cheap and very useful voltage & current monitoring puck-shaped device with a nice size colour screen and Bluetooth so you can even monitor it with an app on your Android phone. It has USB-C plug & socket, barrel plug & socket, USB3 plug & socket, plus a micro-USB socket so you can power it with a separate power supply to get a more accurate reading because it then won't be drawing power from what it's measuring.
For general home quadcopter usage, I'd suggest people look at the 12V / 10A / 120W laptop-charger-style power supplies on Amazon and then cut the plug off and solder on an XT60. It's really useful if you need to need to power your goggles, a quad or even a small charger at your desk. Much cheaper as well.
😃 You are great teacher.😊 Can someone please answer?🤗 I want to build little bit different then a freestyle drone which will weigh around 1800g. Can I use 2806/7/8 size 1300kv motor with 7inch prop? Especially for cruising.
I've had half a dozen bench top supplies through the years. My current favorite cheap supply is: *Tekpower TP3005T Variable Linear DC Power Supply, 0 - 30V @ 0 - 5A* Based on the reviews, it seems like they might have quality control issues but I have two of these power supplies and they always work fine. One complaint about the ToolkitRC P200 is the 1 amp lower limit on the current. I often need to limit current far below an amp. I have several ToolkitRC products and I think they're a good company but I'll pass on the P200.
I just got one of these, and it came with banana to xt60 so I think your feedback was heard. I am trying to build a portable bench rig, now just trying to find an oscilloscope that works well and doesn't break bank.
Joshua, I made (built, however you want to call it) a lab bench power supply about 2 years ago... I used a power supply board (which I just forgot the name 😬), one of those big AC to DC power supply that delivers 24v 10a and so on... It can output up to 30v and 5a (150w). And I honestly love it. But, for just this description, you can imagine the size of this thing... Right? 😬 So... I can't buy this one right now, but it's REALLY tempting! This one is only 100w on AC (if I'm not mistaken), but the space on my workbench it would save is fantastic. And I could keep my other one in the shelf for whenever I need it. So... Tempting. Really tempting! 😬 Anyway, fantastic review as always! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hi so many reviews show the ToolKitRC power supply does not come with a banana to XT60 . It seems the new ones do come with this cable. This is a picture with all the cables mine came with .
I'm not sure if I got a defective unit or just an early batch but I found out that this charger either doesn't have overcurrent protection for the AC input or it's insufficient. I was using it to test my quad and an error somewhere caused the motors to spin up which over currented the AC supply and blew a fet in the unit. The DC supply still worked but the AC supply was toast.
the vibrating is likely caused by the DC output signal being perfectly a set voltage so it will fluctuate and cause teh motor to vibrate, a test with DC input to the supply itself will likely fix that
The thing about GANs is because they are more efficient, they can be smaller and put out less heat. At least thats what I got from a GreatScott video about them.
The reason most „proper“ bench supplies are huge and heavy is that they use a transformer and linear regulators instead of switching regulators. The advantage is much less ripple in the output. Whether that’s relevant for the fpv hobby use case... probably not.
You got it backwards - switched mode power supplies (SMPS) is the one you want versus linear power supplies. SMPS (like proper bench power supplies) are bigger, costlier. ToolkitRC was able to keep size and cost down by going with linear regulators.
@@johnfaustus1 No, you're confused. Linear power supplies are far superior, very heavy and more expensive with cleaner outputs. SMPS on the other hand are cheaper and lighter but the outputs are dirty. They cause a shit ton of RF harmonics derived from the switching frequency, audio engineers wouldn't be seen dead with a switched mode. Don't get me wrong, there's a place for switch modes but they are inferior to linear supplied.
@@harryjohnson615 No my friend - it is _you_ who has it backwards. The one you want is switch (or switched) mode, not linear. Please either be qualified, or if not, perform a simple Google search.
@@johnfaustus1Sometimes, as is the case for you, *you simply don't know what you don't know* SMPS are far more efficient than linear PSUs Linear PSUs are superior in pretty much every other aspect. You would *NEVER* use a switch mode PSU for any kind of audio design, medical equipment or any sensitive electronic circuit because of the very noisy output and RF harmonics. Check for yourself, set your scope to a low level and start looking at the O/P for switching transients and you will see them better still, if you have a spectrum analyser you can view the harmonics in the frequency domain as well as the time domain. Don't take my word for it view this video. ua-cam.com/video/v_HtdbsV69k/v-deo.html
I kinda like this for bench electronics work. I often need 5V for development work, but my bigass Mastech bench supply is way over on my other bench and weighs like 18 pounds. Last time I had to chain banana plug wires over to my desk and I almost fried something.
The fan was more noticeable than the motor buzzing. Will a 3 phase run on single phase DC? I know that a old generator will if backfead DC, but that is a commutator changing the field, where a quad uses the ESC. You’re the electronic man, I just a mechanic who no savy electrons. Learned something tonight, you have a new sign on the back wall! Is that the same jug of chocolate milk on the door from three months ago?
I have a problem wasting money on gadgets I don't need and never use. I don't think I'll have a problem this time regarding the ToolkitRC P200. Looks pretty cool though.
Folks: At 04:06 you will see the visual output of the JB Bullshit Detector. Ignore this indicator at your peril. :D I too am amazed that they would include the "GO" button on the voltage selector knob. Looks like a great way to release the magic smoke from devices.
I mean I don't thunk it's to small for the DC side of stuff but 100w power supply built in is pretty impressive if it can.do that but I don't really doubt that it could do the DC ratings I'm not sure about heat Dissipation so how long it will do it and if they have anything to keep it from burning up
GaN is certainly nice and all, but the actual advantage in terms of efficiency and size reduction is way smaller than manufactures want to make us believe. It would certainly be possible to build a same sized device with "conventional" transistors. Also there is nothing wrong about it being a switching PSU, but it depends heavily on the build quality (the Ruideng modules many people use, are also switching PSUs). Good switching supplies are even used in better HiFi applications by now. Still, when it comes to lower prices, the cheap chunky ones (using a big and heavy transformer) are more likely to produce a good quality DC voltage.
My charger from hobby mate also has the ability to act as a DC power supply, so most people probably don't this in addition to that. I would bet that this is internally a 200w charger, without the balance connector.
www.amazon.com/Kungber-Adjustable-Switching-Regulated-Adjustments/dp/B08DJ1LP2Y/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Bench%2BPower%2BSupply&linkCode=sl2&linkId=1f32974c23ec068ab981233ba0c6d0a1&qid=1619782680&sr=8-3&th=1 and it is 10A . I think the other one is only a 5A
I bought this PS and is brilliant the only thing I don’t know how to activate usb c port ? When plug in to the c port it will show the power but not amp and won’t push the power out (won’t charge anything plugged in to C port it show status off ) any ideas? Why
Wow! Great tool and very thorough review. I have a power-supply that is way bigger with lesser specs. I wish I knew this one existed before buying the one I have now.
it is a really cool bench supply, I have been using alot of the Rui Deng power supplies and that would certainly be a competitor to them. That is pretty funny that it doesnt give you anything with a bannana plug besides alligator clips lol.
GaN transistors are a big deal, I'm really amped to see power delivery get a ton more efficient, especially for small PCs, but also for ESCs, BECs and voltage regulators. it's still more expensive than silicon, but it is getting cheaper pretty quick
Doesn't the ISDT Q8 do the exact same (with even more voltage range) for less money? Not to mention it's also a lipo charger... It doesn't come with AC input but you could just add one for the price difference and you still have a lipo charger + power supply of the same specs for the same price
If anyone is looking for a bench power supply i would recommend one of the riden power supplies. Like the rd6018, you can get them on banggood/AliExpress and probably many other places. There are many videos on UA-cam about them, very popular. They only take DC, but most of us already have a dc power supply for our chargers. Like a server power supply would be perfect, JB has a video about it.
would this be good to test whoop boards? Hate buying boards and solder up a power lead and find out the board is defective. Happened to me twice and much rather have something like this to test them if it would work for that.
I think RC-motors are 3-phase AC motors and you supplied one phase with DC-voltage; creating a magnet in one section of the stator...you broke that 'magnetic hold' by twisting to another section of the stator.
Can it be used as a variable current source with constant voltage output, as you have shown with the multimeter that the voltage could be varied at a constant current. Is a similar operation with constant output voltage and variable output current possible?
It seems to me that constant voltage is the default mode for a power supply. The current supplied depends on the resistance of the load. The power supply can operate in this mode, with a current output limit set by the user.
Its so weird to see you post this video , i checked your videos 2 weeks ago for PS info lol, my power supply for the last 6 years was a hi-tec power box, it started failing 3 weeks ago , so i had been researching PS units and a week ago purchased a bench supply on amazon for $45.00 30v 5amp and it works amazing charging with my M7 charger. the PS unit is not heavy or bulky, i only charge one or two bats at a time and for me 150 watts is perfect and so was the price.
@@lievenvv yeah thats good if you have one. But having the flexibility of variable voltage ac to dc power supply lets you use it for so many things as well as for the chargers.
@@RCSurf yeah, for sure..!! Thankfully my M6 chargers can act as variable DC power supplies whenever I need one; so it's a pretty cheap & compact setup overall :) ToolkitRC ftw!
@@lievenvv i just got the m7 last week , i like it but you have to download the new firmware as there was a bug with 2s batts giving a error , fixed with the firmware upgrade .
I have been having issues with mine using it as a PS for my isdt q6 pro. Starts to charge and then barks about "input spike" my old bench PS's don't have any issues.
Haha, it's probably DC, and to lower the voltage they pulse the higher voltage and feed it through a capacitor to smooth it out (kind of a PWM). In this case, not so smooth lol
I'll stick to my SkyRC B6 nano which is not as new but has newer tech hahaha like bluetooth connection to start, stop, and monitor the batteries cycle and the ability to scan per-printed or saved upc images that will instantly kick off a predetermined cycle, fast.
They deliver it with a cable from "Banana to Aligator", and another cable "open end to XT60". And you seriously ask for another banana to XT60 cable? LOL Ever tried to connect the first cable to the second, simply using the Aligators for what they are supposed to? Just connect both cables and you're ready to go? But thanks for the great review, will order this NOW :-)
so i ordered one of these and am not happy with it. in my work shop all my wall plugs have GFCI's installed. Every time I try to plug in the unit it trips the GFCI. I have tried a total of 8 different GFCI wall plugs and cannot get it to work since it trips it every time I turn on the power switch in the back. DC power appears to work well with a 6 cell battery. Anyone have a suggestion before I return it?
@@JoshuaBardwell Good call. I had also thought the cable seemed kinda flimsy and thin. Luckily I was able to find a similar style plug that appears to be a lot thicker and now it works fine. How does a company send out equipment with sub par wires? So basically if you buy this power supply you have to spend more money on a good power cable if you use it with gfci wall plugs. That's sucks. Thank you Bardwell for your help!!
GaN Power Supplies are not just some marketing wank, I bought a fairly pricey 200W GaN PSU for charging on vacation and it is the same size as my 65W laptop charger, and does not get any hotter either despite supplying over three times the power.
Mine unit (as many others on EEV forum) exploded on small load powering FC with faulty ESC phase just in few seconds... So, there is no any protection you can trust for 100% unfortunately.
It is just bad, when I connected this power supply directly to the drone (instead of using smoke stopper, I use current limiting), so after testing motors, when I increases throttle and then decrease - back current just burn it out, and their support said just don't use it with the motors lol (I can give a link to the support ticket), they have to add protection of back current, but it doesn't have it
JOsh, nice review. Not sure I see value in the P200. I just use an old laptop power supply to run my ToolkitRC M7 tester. It is about 180 watts at 19.5 volts. Works good.
It actually seems a little dangerous for them to include those two sets of cables because I can see people attaching the clips to the bare wires of the XT60 and seems like an easy way to get shocked
I really appreciate your transparency Josh. I also got a good laugh out of "...and I didn't give it BACK sooo...." 🤣
@Emanuel Creed Yup, I have been watching on flixzone} for since november myself :D
Two years old and still relevant! Having no experience with this stuff, even years into the hobby, it helped me make my decision with more confidence.
Your favorite all-around charger from your shopping list (Hobbymate / Hota D6 Pro) offers the same function. Select Power Supply function on either channel and adjust your voltage, amerage, wattage. One device to run them all.
I use mine to power my tiny whoop charge board like this
Was going to point this out as well, it seems not many people know it has that function. Best fpv purchase I've made so far! Although this unit looks a bit more user friendly for that purpose.
I didn't know this and bought the hota D6 plus for that reason!
Gentleman and a Scholar good sir ! Honorable as always !
Such class! Mr. Bardwell is a true reference in the community
I think your motor was probably vibrating because of the way brushless motors work. That's why they need three connectors. I was switching the wires in a brushless motor to reverse direction with a battery plugged in and it had a similar shaking while only 2/3 wires were connected. The other thing is that you mentioned gallium nitride (GaN) electronic parts. I know that those are generally higher quality and are used in computer chargers like those made by RavPower.
your honesty is what brings me back!
13:30 Hmm. So I guess we know what they skimped on to get it so small: Smoothing capacitors.
More worrying is the fact that the supply was saying it was outputting 2.3 A when it was set to a 2 A limit.
I love your reviews over any other. Honest and too the point.
Don't trip if you get an unfavorable review.
I buy stuff that Joshua reviews that isn't showered in sunshine. I just want to know exactly what I'm buying.
Joshua delivers honestly heartfelt reviews. I respect that.
@@johnlheneghan1630 three comments. Three negative comments. Why are you here?
@@johnlheneghan1630 cause of course every drone is the greatest drone of 2021 lol
I highly appreciate the transparency and honesty Mr. Bardwell practices. Glad to see that. So I can decide by myself how trustworthy I would rate the review.. BUT I would also appreciate Mr. Knowitall remains his absolute independence regarding particalr brands and reviews... All in all: great behavior, but please be carefull to not loose the objetivity.
You can judge for yourself whether you feel the content is objective and honest. Anybody is welcome to support me via various methods, but it doesn't change the content that I make.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thank you for that and for your service to the community.. YOur Videos are the best entry for any newbie like I am.
I like that it has the USB c with quick charge and power delivery. That would be a perfect place to plug in a USB c powered soldering iron. Recently found out that you can buy usb-c power delivery triggered cords that output to a DC power jack. This power supply, that cord, and a ts100 is a 3 hit combo for field work or tight workbenches.
Thanks for showing the short comings. It's not perfect, but it's an option. And a compact one at that.
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That disclosure was just *chefs kiss*
Sold. Ordered it 10 minutes into the video. Exactly what I’ve been looking for
If the size is an issue you may want to check the MDP-P905 power supply. It's DC powered only and more expensive but it's tiny and also has dedicated on/off button. It works great as a smoke stopper and to calibrate voltage/current sensors in Betaflight.
We appreciate the honesty JB, that gives your review even more credibility. 👍🏻👍🏻
just as a headsup, my hota d6 plus has a power supply capability too. Not sure about the about the other hotas but it helps with stuff like testing components on the bench without having to spend 100 bucks on something like this
The ISDT 608AC is less powerful, but it does it too. It's great to not have to use LiPos on the bench.
As Ohm tells - better have higher voltage with less current. Because any wire also has a resistance, and the higher currency we have, the more lose we have on wire. Actually it is the reason why we have cross-town power supply higher voltage then inhouse
During your motor test I see that the voltage output actually dropped to almost nothing and that was most likely from a protection circuit like a crowbar. The low resistance of the tiny motor coil will seem like a dead short to the power supply, sometimes even if it is within operating ranges. This is perhaps due to the Impedance of the PS becoming larger that the load impedance.
or something smart sounding..
when you were testing the motor, that is DC, it's the magnets that are likely causing the vibration or perhaps as you said the limiter, but I don't know if the limiter would cause an oscillation or if it just brick walls it at the desired amp limit.
Pulse width modulation (PWM) is used in a lot of high amp output power supply. If you had an oscilloscope you would see that when reaching the set limit of the power supply. It's still direct current (DC) but it has noise in the DC output. Being a prior electronic technician that did circuit card repairs, I do have the tools and knowledge to test these speculations you have.
Wow. That is TINY. I will be considering this for my electronics lab. Perfect for when you are short on desk space or storage.
I bought one of these just two days ago. Mainly for powering my gear, quads, goggles, vtx and so forth.
But unfortunately I did fry mine in a second 😩.
I was doing some current calibration for a little 120 mm toothpick, small motors without props. Under betaflight motor testing everything was quite fine. Pushed the motors to different rpm to read out current for calibration. Input was 12.4 V an 5A limitation. But as I moved my sticks on my transmitter to push the motors, I immediately fried it while cutting throttle all the way down to zero. Within betaflight I slightly adjusted power to the motors and that worked fine. But cutting throttle from high rpm did cause over-voltage I guess and killed my power supply in milliseconds. I am very sure that demage was not because of over current, as it exploded on throttle cut an not throttle raise.
Any suggestions? Did you try anything similar? Or anyone else?
the ECS's takes the DC-voltage input and basically chops it and is then electronically controlled and then spits out a varying 3-phase voltage; your motor can use.
The reason behind this being so small is mainly the size of the capacitors they are using. Bigger more expensive power supplies use big bulk capacitors, and a lot of them to reduce any DC ripple. This thing at high loads like you where testing with the motor will for sure have huge ripple. Some electronic devices arnt designed to accept this ripple.
Also this psu can also be used to charge up lithium batteries. No need to plug an additional charger onto it. 👍🏻
If I'm not mistaken AC to DC uses switches so yea it will oscillate. 120V to 10V it has to open and close so many times a sec that's why it's not a lab-grade bench power supply.
I used this cutie, and it is sooo good. No longer use my lipo for soldering.
It's so good. The size is great.
I hope it lasts longer than my M4Q, that one smelled a bit and now just 3 slots are working.
Given how critical the voltage level can be to some devices, especially if you're going to use it to drive 3.3v or 5v things, putting the power-output on/off function on the same dial as the voltage level setting is a very big NO NO.
The power-output on/off needs its own separate button that does nothing else.
I agree but the main power button could have been used for this purpose too. Maybe click, hold or double tap.
My P200 arrived today, I upgraded the firmware, set the current limit to 0.5A, and tested current limiting. There was a loud bang, and now it does not work on AC. It still works on DC.
The AC board shows significant damage including a damaged chopper device and a blown track.
I bought it from an Ali-Express seller
Bad luck :-( Defnitely contact ToolkitRC support and I expect they will replace it.
A DC power supply was one of the first things I bought when I got into the hobby. When starting a new quad I'd set it to 1A and never needed a smoke stopper. I have no idea why everyone doesn't have one. They'll spend money on smoke stoppers but then use a battery to test everything, or batteries of different voltages. I only use my power supply for every quad. I only use batteries to test fly. The power supply was $60. Worth every penny and I use it for WAY more that just quadcopters.
I use an ISDT 608AC as a bench power supply. I love it.
Had it for 2 weeks then it exploded 🔥ToolkitRC does not answer.
I use my old power supply (computer power supply) from when I used a toolkit and it is just attached to my bench now. Runs my soldering iron and then if I need to power up a build I use the smoke stopper with a little extension on it. Seems to work but this would be awesome to have. Haha
Diagnosing USB devices - check out the Mustool UD18, a cheap and very useful voltage & current monitoring puck-shaped device with a nice size colour screen and Bluetooth so you can even monitor it with an app on your Android phone.
It has USB-C plug & socket, barrel plug & socket, USB3 plug & socket, plus a micro-USB socket so you can power it with a separate power supply to get a more accurate reading because it then won't be drawing power from what it's measuring.
5:00 With the current firmware (V1.03) the lower current limit setting is now 0.5A.
Joshua, that's a nice one ! 200W dc. Zo it can do 20V at 10Amp. Very nice! Thanx for the tip! 👍👍
For general home quadcopter usage, I'd suggest people look at the 12V / 10A / 120W laptop-charger-style power supplies on Amazon and then cut the plug off and solder on an XT60. It's really useful if you need to need to power your goggles, a quad or even a small charger at your desk. Much cheaper as well.
A mini oscilloscope for us drone geeks is the DS212, recommended by drone mesh. 75$ and good enough for our needs.
😃 You are great teacher.😊
Can someone please answer?🤗
I want to build little bit different then a freestyle drone which will weigh around 1800g. Can I use 2806/7/8 size 1300kv motor with 7inch prop? Especially for cruising.
Yes, have a look at the Brotherhobby 2806.5 Avenger, that one is great.
Overall, your Setup seems reasonable
@@gianlucafischer2696 thanks
I've had half a dozen bench top supplies through the years. My current favorite cheap supply is:
*Tekpower TP3005T Variable Linear DC Power Supply, 0 - 30V @ 0 - 5A*
Based on the reviews, it seems like they might have quality control issues but I have two of these power supplies and they always work fine.
One complaint about the ToolkitRC P200 is the 1 amp lower limit on the current. I often need to limit current far below an amp. I have several ToolkitRC products and I think they're a good company but I'll pass on the P200.
I just got one of these, and it came with banana to xt60 so I think your feedback was heard. I am trying to build a portable bench rig, now just trying to find an oscilloscope that works well and doesn't break bank.
Joshua, I made (built, however you want to call it) a lab bench power supply about 2 years ago... I used a power supply board (which I just forgot the name 😬), one of those big AC to DC power supply that delivers 24v 10a and so on... It can output up to 30v and 5a (150w). And I honestly love it.
But, for just this description, you can imagine the size of this thing... Right? 😬
So... I can't buy this one right now, but it's REALLY tempting! This one is only 100w on AC (if I'm not mistaken), but the space on my workbench it would save is fantastic. And I could keep my other one in the shelf for whenever I need it.
So... Tempting. Really tempting! 😬
Anyway, fantastic review as always! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
the ToolkitRC M6D can function as a 15A 28V CV/CC power supply too.. just without the AC converter
Hi so many reviews show the ToolKitRC power supply does not come with a banana to XT60 . It seems the new ones do come with this cable. This is a picture with all the cables mine came with .
I'm not sure if I got a defective unit or just an early batch but I found out that this charger either doesn't have overcurrent protection for the AC input or it's insufficient. I was using it to test my quad and an error somewhere caused the motors to spin up which over currented the AC supply and blew a fet in the unit. The DC supply still worked but the AC supply was toast.
Very well made video, helped me decide to buy one for myself.
maybe the ripple is due to the pwm limiting circuit, as you said ;)
8:16 I guess the XT60 is included for inputting power into the P200. Nice silicon leads on this.
the vibrating is likely caused by the DC output signal being perfectly a set voltage so it will fluctuate and cause teh motor to vibrate, a test with DC input to the supply itself will likely fix that
The thing about GANs is because they are more efficient, they can be smaller and put out less heat.
At least thats what I got from a GreatScott video about them.
The reason most „proper“ bench supplies are huge and heavy is that they use a transformer and linear regulators instead of switching regulators.
The advantage is much less ripple in the output. Whether that’s relevant for the fpv hobby use case... probably not.
It is relevant for test and measure situations, not so much for RC hobby.
You got it backwards - switched mode power supplies (SMPS) is the one you want versus linear power supplies. SMPS (like proper bench power supplies) are bigger, costlier.
ToolkitRC was able to keep size and cost down by going with linear regulators.
@@johnfaustus1 No, you're confused. Linear power supplies are far superior, very heavy and more expensive with cleaner outputs. SMPS on the other hand are cheaper and lighter but the outputs are dirty. They cause a shit ton of RF harmonics derived from the switching frequency, audio engineers wouldn't be seen dead with a switched mode. Don't get me wrong, there's a place for switch modes but they are inferior to linear supplied.
@@harryjohnson615 No my friend - it is _you_ who has it backwards. The one you want is switch (or switched) mode, not linear.
Please either be qualified, or if not, perform a simple Google search.
@@johnfaustus1Sometimes, as is the case for you, *you simply don't know what you don't know*
SMPS are far more efficient than linear PSUs
Linear PSUs are superior in pretty much every other aspect.
You would *NEVER* use a switch mode PSU for any kind of audio design, medical equipment or any sensitive electronic circuit because of the very noisy output and RF harmonics.
Check for yourself, set your scope to a low level and start looking at the O/P for switching transients and you will see them better still, if you have a spectrum analyser you can view the harmonics in the frequency domain as well as the time domain. Don't take my word for it view this video.
ua-cam.com/video/v_HtdbsV69k/v-deo.html
Got it. And within an hour it went bang
I kinda like this for bench electronics work. I often need 5V for development work, but my bigass Mastech bench supply is way over on my other bench and weighs like 18 pounds. Last time I had to chain banana plug wires over to my desk and I almost fried something.
The fan was more noticeable than the motor buzzing. Will a 3 phase run on single phase DC? I know that a old generator will if backfead DC, but that is a commutator changing the field, where a quad uses the ESC. You’re the electronic man, I just a mechanic who no savy electrons. Learned something tonight, you have a new sign on the back wall! Is that the same jug of chocolate milk on the door from three months ago?
I have a problem wasting money on gadgets I don't need and never use. I don't think I'll have a problem this time regarding the ToolkitRC P200. Looks pretty cool though.
Good size but minimum amps at 1A is a bit over for my use, sometimes I do use bench power to limit current at 20mA, 300mA, 700mA to test power LED
Folks: At 04:06 you will see the visual output of the JB Bullshit Detector. Ignore this indicator at your peril. :D I too am amazed that they would include the "GO" button on the voltage selector knob. Looks like a great way to release the magic smoke from devices.
Your finance are none of our business. the fact that you share is only a small part of why I watch, trust, and follow you. Thank you.
For some reason I really want it!
I mean I don't thunk it's to small for the DC side of stuff but 100w power supply built in is pretty impressive if it can.do that but I don't really doubt that it could do the DC ratings I'm not sure about heat Dissipation so how long it will do it and if they have anything to keep it from burning up
GaN is certainly nice and all, but the actual advantage in terms of efficiency and size reduction is way smaller than manufactures want to make us believe. It would certainly be possible to build a same sized device with "conventional" transistors. Also there is nothing wrong about it being a switching PSU, but it depends heavily on the build quality (the Ruideng modules many people use, are also switching PSUs). Good switching supplies are even used in better HiFi applications by now. Still, when it comes to lower prices, the cheap chunky ones (using a big and heavy transformer) are more likely to produce a good quality DC voltage.
My charger from hobby mate also has the ability to act as a DC power supply, so most people probably don't this in addition to that. I would bet that this is internally a 200w charger, without the balance connector.
That power supply is now currently on sale for $50 if you get the white one.
www.amazon.com/Kungber-Adjustable-Switching-Regulated-Adjustments/dp/B08DJ1LP2Y/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Bench%2BPower%2BSupply&linkCode=sl2&linkId=1f32974c23ec068ab981233ba0c6d0a1&qid=1619782680&sr=8-3&th=1
and it is 10A . I think the other one is only a 5A
I bought this PS and is brilliant the only thing I don’t know how to activate usb c port ? When plug in to the c port it will show the power but not amp and won’t push the power out (won’t charge anything plugged in to C port it show status off ) any ideas? Why
Wow! Great tool and very thorough review. I have a power-supply that is way bigger with lesser specs. I wish I knew this one existed before buying the one I have now.
it is a really cool bench supply, I have been using alot of the Rui Deng power supplies and that would certainly be a competitor to them. That is pretty funny that it doesnt give you anything with a bannana plug besides alligator clips lol.
Yes!!!!! I had to click immediately for the zoolanderness thumb nail 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍... " the charger has to be..... at least... 3 times bigger than this!"
It’s the Magnum!
Is this a charger for ants
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GaN transistors are a big deal, I'm really amped to see power delivery get a ton more efficient, especially for small PCs, but also for ESCs, BECs and voltage regulators. it's still more expensive than silicon, but it is getting cheaper pretty quick
Doesn't the ISDT Q8 do the exact same (with even more voltage range) for less money? Not to mention it's also a lipo charger... It doesn't come with AC input but you could just add one for the price difference and you still have a lipo charger + power supply of the same specs for the same price
The point of the p200 is that it's a compact power supply. You can make something equivalent but it'll be more cumbersome.
If anyone is looking for a bench power supply i would recommend one of the riden power supplies. Like the rd6018, you can get them on banggood/AliExpress and probably many other places. There are many videos on UA-cam about them, very popular. They only take DC, but most of us already have a dc power supply for our chargers. Like a server power supply would be perfect, JB has a video about it.
would this be good to test whoop boards? Hate buying boards and solder up a power lead and find out the board is defective. Happened to me twice and much rather have something like this to test them if it would work for that.
Get an old computer power supply and stick it under your bench and run the wires up. You get 3.3, 5, and 12 volt.
Can I power up this unit with another power supply for example 12v 5ah instead a battery?
4:52 could be used to feed a glow plug igniter?
Whooa!!
I think RC-motors are 3-phase AC motors and you supplied one phase with DC-voltage; creating a magnet in one section of the stator...you broke that 'magnetic hold' by twisting to another section of the stator.
Can it be used as a variable current source with constant voltage output, as you have shown with the multimeter that the voltage could be varied at a constant current. Is a similar operation with constant output voltage and variable output current possible?
It seems to me that constant voltage is the default mode for a power supply. The current supplied depends on the resistance of the load. The power supply can operate in this mode, with a current output limit set by the user.
Its so weird to see you post this video , i checked your videos 2 weeks ago for PS info lol, my power supply for the last 6 years was a hi-tec power box, it started failing 3 weeks ago , so i had been researching PS units and a week ago purchased a bench supply on amazon for $45.00 30v 5amp and it works amazing charging with my M7 charger. the PS unit is not heavy or bulky, i only charge one or two bats at a time and for me 150 watts is perfect and so was the price.
I just use my laptop power supply :) It's not too big, but pretty beefy! (19.5v 10amps)
@@lievenvv yeah thats good if you have one. But having the flexibility of variable voltage ac to dc power supply lets you use it for so many things as well as for the chargers.
@@RCSurf yeah, for sure..!!
Thankfully my M6 chargers can act as variable DC power supplies whenever I need one; so it's a pretty cheap & compact setup overall :) ToolkitRC ftw!
@@lievenvv i just got the m7 last week , i like it but you have to download the new firmware as there was a bug with 2s batts giving a error , fixed with the firmware upgrade .
I have been having issues with mine using it as a PS for my isdt q6 pro. Starts to charge and then barks about "input spike" my old bench PS's don't have any issues.
Can it be used for voltage injection on lets say PC motherboard short circuit visualisation under thermal camera?
I suppose.
@@JoshuaBardwell You didnt test such? not talking about insane voltages like 1-2v tops and 0.1-0.4 amps
Add Timer cut off feature and Voltage/Amp lock feature. then I wll be more tempted.
What’s the ripple on the output ?
yes
Haha, it's probably DC, and to lower the voltage they pulse the higher voltage and feed it through a capacitor to smooth it out (kind of a PWM). In this case, not so smooth lol
Not gonna lie, was kinda hoping for some ElectroBoom style antics when you hooked that motor up.
Same
I'll stick to my SkyRC B6 nano which is not as new but has newer tech hahaha like bluetooth connection to start, stop, and monitor the batteries cycle and the ability to scan per-printed or saved upc images that will instantly kick off a predetermined cycle, fast.
Your a good man......
They deliver it with a cable from "Banana to Aligator", and another cable "open end to XT60". And you seriously ask for another banana to XT60 cable? LOL
Ever tried to connect the first cable to the second, simply using the Aligators for what they are supposed to? Just connect both cables and you're ready to go?
But thanks for the great review, will order this NOW :-)
is it better than the isdt d2 or isdt k2 or Hota d6 pro Please advise.
It's a switching power supply. especially at just 0.15V, the switching will be noticeable.
Good point. The low voltage due to the amp limit.
I didn't notice, but is the plug grounded? Also, if so, is the case correctly grounded?
The plug is three prong. I didn't check if the case is grounded but you'd hope so?
@@JoshuaBardwell yeah, you'd be surprised...
Maybe not that much power but isdt 608AC has "DC source" mode and that's great cheap charger.
@Zoide on the DC power supply mode you can set the voltage, max current and if it's on or off, so yes
@Zoide nope, it doesn't have a main power switch, you need to pull the plug
You get the graph for the extra 30 bucks!
so i ordered one of these and am not happy with it. in my work shop all my wall plugs have GFCI's installed. Every time I try to plug in the unit it trips the GFCI. I have tried a total of 8 different GFCI wall plugs and cannot get it to work since it trips it every time I turn on the power switch in the back. DC power appears to work well with a 6 cell battery. Anyone have a suggestion before I return it?
It's defective. Return it.
Maybe try a different power cable if possible.
@@JoshuaBardwell Good call. I had also thought the cable seemed kinda flimsy and thin. Luckily I was able to find a similar style plug that appears to be a lot thicker and now it works fine. How does a company send out equipment with sub par wires? So basically if you buy this power supply you have to spend more money on a good power cable if you use it with gfci wall plugs. That's sucks. Thank you Bardwell for your help!!
GaN Power Supplies are not just some marketing wank, I bought a fairly pricey 200W GaN PSU for charging on vacation and it is the same size as my 65W laptop charger, and does not get any hotter either despite supplying over three times the power.
This was great info!
Mine unit (as many others on EEV forum) exploded on small load powering FC with faulty ESC phase just in few seconds... So, there is no any protection you can trust for 100% unfortunately.
I would be for an O scope readout.
It is just bad, when I connected this power supply directly to the drone (instead of using smoke stopper, I use current limiting), so after testing motors, when I increases throttle and then decrease - back current just burn it out, and their support said just don't use it with the motors lol (I can give a link to the support ticket), they have to add protection of back current, but it doesn't have it
JOsh, nice review. Not sure I see value in the P200. I just use an old laptop power supply to run my ToolkitRC M7 tester. It is about 180 watts at 19.5 volts. Works good.
It actually seems a little dangerous for them to include those two sets of cables because I can see people attaching the clips to the bare wires of the XT60 and seems like an easy way to get shocked
Uhhhhhh that's how I power my hobbymate duo off my car with jumper cables..... Not smart but I don't have to charge in my hood lol.
Mine blew up after the current was jumping up and down couple of times