My alignment hottake on explaining neutral evil is that while Vader who was in part corrupted by his desire to bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy is Lawful Evil - Palpatine who is ONLY self-interested, and causes widespread chaos as willingly as crushing tyranny to seize what he wants is actually Neutral Evil, despite often being used as an example of Lawful Evil.
As much as I do find yugoloths/daemons interesting I have to admit I never use them I find they muddy the water with fiends and don't strike me with the same inspiration as demons and devils. Love the videos as always !!
I like the idea that the Yugoloths strike a middle ground when it comes to friends of the lower planes. They dont screw people over with fine prints or technicalities, and don't outright kill something with a pulse on sight. Plus they don't actively try to corrupt mortals. They are pragmatic in every sense of the word.
Damn, I just watched the first minutes and I am loving it as usual. You have a talent for making good scripts for this. The philosophy of Planescape and the alignments are something that you excel at IMHO. I have watched many of your other videos about philosophy/ethics and it shows that it's something in which you are informed about.
Fantastic. Thanks Wade. I can't remember if I voted for this or Mechanus, but I've always loved the Gray Waste ( such a chore for me to spell 'gray' with an "a" as I'm Canadian, but hey, in D&D it's canon...). Pre Planescape, given the numerous Greek mythology references ( much like Tartatus/Carceri... ) I always had a hard time 'populating' this plane. The Planescape introduction of defining the planes around a particular ethos however, definitely rendered it much more reasonable to me. As did that approach to all other outer planes. I think the aspect of despair works perfectly for a representation of NE. I know philosophically it's difficult to wrestle with, but it's important to remember that despair and anguish can be equated to hopelessness. And that, coupled with self interest, leads to indiscriminate selfish behaviour. All options are open, if it takes one's fancy, and it pleases oneself. Ah The Gray Waste, utter solipsistic desire. And how can one not love the Yugoloths? Great stuff.
Thank you so much for all of your hard work and dedication to these videos. I’m a big fan of this series. Here’s to hoping we make it through all of them!!!
I can’t help but wonder if there is a philosophical statement being made in the parallelism between Elysium and the Grey Waste. Both make you want to check out from the world. Both make you make Will saves to attempt to leave. With Elysium this is framed as it being so wonderful, but the consequence is still the choice to exist in paradise rather than care about the outside world - which is a selfish form of apathy. Similar to the parallel between the utter determinism of Mechanus and the utter randomness of Limbo are both philosophical statements against the meaning of choice.
I'd say you're bang on here. Both of the 2 pairs you mention are diametrically opposed on the Wheel, so it makes sense the planar ethos, and thus its believers, the inhabitants, would manifest those aspects.
Good take on alignment. Hows this for the GW: Neutral evil only wants for itself The NE grey wastes take for itself Unless your presence there takes more than the environment, then you lose
Thank you for the video, your calm voice is so good to listen to when I do chores :D Although I usually sit down and rewatch it later to make little notes so I keep the info in my head :) Your vids got me into really liking the planescape setting, I would like to play a campaing in it one day. Btw, would you ever do a vid about Feywild or Shadowfell? Yours are my go to sources for lore and I did not find a video about these two planes that went so in depth like yours do. Idk if those two were in 2e or is it later addition?
Yeah those didn't exist in 2e. They came about in 4th edition. The plane of shadow did exist, which later turned into the Shadowfell, but as of 2e it was just a demiplane in the ethereal. 3rd edition introduced the plane of faerie, which then became the Feywild in 4e. Before that the role of the Feywild (the home of faeries and elves) was filled by Arborea. I think I'll do videos on those planes eventually, but unless I get a ton of comments asking for them I think I'd like to finish all the outer planes first.
@@WadeAllen001 Thank you for the reply, even if it takes years, I'll happily wait for your take on those two planes and watch other stuff you release in the meantime :)
Oh, I've just run an adventure for the Gray Wastes - really interesting place to adventure. But found it really hard to find that balance, where the apathy still leads to something the player can action on. I found myself resorting to a really bleak version of hell, rather than just apathy
Yeah in my experience the outer planes are so devoted to a certain vibe that they're best used as short visits to each rather than spending many sessions in a row in the same one.
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My alignment hottake on explaining neutral evil is that while Vader who was in part corrupted by his desire to bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy is Lawful Evil - Palpatine who is ONLY self-interested, and causes widespread chaos as willingly as crushing tyranny to seize what he wants is actually Neutral Evil, despite often being used as an example of Lawful Evil.
Yep, Palpatine’s the man.
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As much as I do find yugoloths/daemons interesting I have to admit I never use them
I find they muddy the water with fiends and don't strike me with the same inspiration as demons and devils. Love the videos as always !!
I like the idea that the Yugoloths strike a middle ground when it comes to friends of the lower planes. They dont screw people over with fine prints or technicalities, and don't outright kill something with a pulse on sight. Plus they don't actively try to corrupt mortals. They are pragmatic in every sense of the word.
I'm not usually a commenter but this cat's channel is fuckin amazing. Thanks and keep em' coming Mr. Allen.
Great video! I'm overwhelmed by so much apathy that I've become totally indefferent to my own despair while merrily painting some minis along the way.
Yea these are like 10/10. Also 2e lore is best lore.
Got excited when I saw this pop up in my recommendations 😄
Same.
Damn, I just watched the first minutes and I am loving it as usual. You have a talent for making good scripts for this. The philosophy of Planescape and the alignments are something that you excel at IMHO. I have watched many of your other videos about philosophy/ethics and it shows that it's something in which you are informed about.
Thanks for checking out my other videos!
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Fantastic. Thanks Wade. I can't remember if I voted for this or Mechanus, but I've always loved the Gray Waste ( such a chore for me to spell 'gray' with an "a" as I'm Canadian, but hey, in D&D it's canon...). Pre Planescape, given the numerous Greek mythology references ( much like Tartatus/Carceri... ) I always had a hard time 'populating' this plane. The Planescape introduction of defining the planes around a particular ethos however, definitely rendered it much more reasonable to me. As did that approach to all other outer planes. I think the aspect of despair works perfectly for a representation of NE. I know philosophically it's difficult to wrestle with, but it's important to remember that despair and anguish can be equated to hopelessness. And that, coupled with self interest, leads to indiscriminate selfish behaviour. All options are open, if it takes one's fancy, and it pleases oneself. Ah The Gray Waste, utter solipsistic desire. And how can one not love the Yugoloths? Great stuff.
Thank you so much for all of your hard work and dedication to these videos. I’m a big fan of this series. Here’s to hoping we make it through all of them!!!
Oh my God I'm gonna start a campaign on this plane (dm shenanigans to escape) and this might just be perfect timing. We play in like 2 hours
I can’t help but wonder if there is a philosophical statement being made in the parallelism between Elysium and the Grey Waste. Both make you want to check out from the world. Both make you make Will saves to attempt to leave. With Elysium this is framed as it being so wonderful, but the consequence is still the choice to exist in paradise rather than care about the outside world - which is a selfish form of apathy.
Similar to the parallel between the utter determinism of Mechanus and the utter randomness of Limbo are both philosophical statements against the meaning of choice.
I'd say you're bang on here. Both of the 2 pairs you mention are diametrically opposed on the Wheel, so it makes sense the planar ethos, and thus its believers, the inhabitants, would manifest those aspects.
Awesome, I gotta put on a pot of coffee for this one. 😊 I have actually been rereading Manual of the Planes.
Well I know how I'm spending the next 2 hours!
These videos are THE BEST.
Also you should do the Far Realm next if that counts as an outer plane.
It doesn't, but I'll still count the vote!
Immediately liked and shared with my players. Before I even looked at it.
Wait... that feel familiar
But I'm litte surprised about gray wast. I thought Outlands would be the next after Sigil.
A fresh drop this close to Christmas! Another banger video, hope you have a great holiday season ⛄️
You too, thanks!
Good take on alignment.
Hows this for the GW:
Neutral evil only wants for itself
The NE grey wastes take for itself
Unless your presence there takes more than the environment, then you lose
Thank you for making these! Can’t wait for the other 13!
was waiting for more of these i love them and i hope you keep em coming
Wade: "I'm gonna scale down my vids".
Also Wade:
No hate tho. Love those things being given love.
Been years since I clicked on something so fast.
Finally, Neutral Evil is getting the respect it deserves!
Ah, The Grey waste. The absolutely worst place to be stranded on out of all the places.
FUCK YEAHHH!!! New plane just dropped
Thank you for the video, your calm voice is so good to listen to when I do chores :D Although I usually sit down and rewatch it later to make little notes so I keep the info in my head :) Your vids got me into really liking the planescape setting, I would like to play a campaing in it one day.
Btw, would you ever do a vid about Feywild or Shadowfell? Yours are my go to sources for lore and I did not find a video about these two planes that went so in depth like yours do. Idk if those two were in 2e or is it later addition?
Yeah those didn't exist in 2e. They came about in 4th edition. The plane of shadow did exist, which later turned into the Shadowfell, but as of 2e it was just a demiplane in the ethereal. 3rd edition introduced the plane of faerie, which then became the Feywild in 4e. Before that the role of the Feywild (the home of faeries and elves) was filled by Arborea.
I think I'll do videos on those planes eventually, but unless I get a ton of comments asking for them I think I'd like to finish all the outer planes first.
@@WadeAllen001 Thank you for the reply, even if it takes years, I'll happily wait for your take on those two planes and watch other stuff you release in the meantime :)
I love your channel so much
Finally, the fifty shades of neutral evil
another one!!!!
there is a difference between neutral evil and psychotic evil
Oh, I've just run an adventure for the Gray Wastes - really interesting place to adventure. But found it really hard to find that balance, where the apathy still leads to something the player can action on.
I found myself resorting to a really bleak version of hell, rather than just apathy
Yeah in my experience the outer planes are so devoted to a certain vibe that they're best used as short visits to each rather than spending many sessions in a row in the same one.
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