Two comments/questions I get multiple times on a daily basis at work that send ripples through my body are: "I hope your day goes by fast!" and, "How are you? Keeping busy?". :/ My job (the real one) is to slow down and savour every moment possible, human to human, and to dump any action that comes close to the shallowness or fearfulness of just keeping in motion. Slowly, I'm going from being agitated by those ripples to having gratitude from the reminder and the desire to do something about the misapprehension of living. Thanks for the breakfast!
I agree with one commenter here that it was frustrating to me that there was a deep dive into how advice given in the self-help arena can't be for every individual's situation, but this was spurred by a critique of Cal's work from a mother. Although not a mother myself, I am quite passionate about ensuring that conversations about the workplace keep parenting in mind because, as noted in the podcast, these responsibilities and the negative effect on careers falls largely on women. I think it would be incredibly beneficial for Cal to think about how his advise applies to primary caregivers who may often be always "on call" for dealing with childcare issues. The podcast assumes that we are talking about perhaps a mother that works from home and may be distracted by a child. This shows a high level of ignorance by these two men discussing the topic. Unfortunately, many mothers, whether physically with their children or not, are often constantly "on call" for responding to the myriad child issues that can arise in a day. One of the huge answers here is for fathers to be more involved in this so that mothers can have that uninterrupted time, but that requires more than just a father who says "I'll deal with any childcare issues that arise for the next 3 hours." If a mother feels her spouse doesn't consistently keep up with the various issues that may need to be considered in any given decision that may come up during that time frame, she won't feel truly off call. If we keep making mothers feel that everything they do when it comes to childrearing must be perfect but we don't set the same standard for fathers (to be clear, I'd rather we not set these standards at all!), mothers won't be able to get the mental reprieve that will allow them to do deep work.
Fwiw I agree with essentially all of the practical issues you're describing here. My understanding was that Cal was using that as an example of a situation where his view of something had been expanded and changed by getting nuanced feedback from a listener.
@@ForrestHansonthat was my take away as well. I saw it as an expert in the field seeing his own context and way of thinking as a limitation and engaging with another expert who raised these practical concerns. From my perspective, It felt like a good example of a man taking a feminist critique seriously and reshaping his worldview as a result. I appreciated that modeling.
This definitely makes me feel like less of a loser for not following my passion(s), especially when there are a suite of them. As usual, thank you for being able to articulate a feeling i have not been able to fully form into words until now.
I’d love to see a video from you about core values, I’ve heard it mentioned a lot in videos on the channel, but the concept as a whole is confusing and hard to navigate for me. How do we find our core values? What are examples of core values? How can we tell if a core value is our true selfs’ value and not the value of various trauma responses? How does it feel when you live by a core value? Is it supposed to be hard or easy? Thanks for all you guys do on this channel❤
Good job on this material. Forrest did a great job keeping pace with speaker Cal Newport and adding to what he was saying as well as breaking it down for us. Great recap at the end, as usual.
I have ADHD and scheduling work doesn't work for me at all. I quite literally sit and wait until I get an urge to do the thing and then ride the wave as far as it gets me. This is not reliable or easily predictable, but there's an immense difference between the states. When my interest is captured, I can do superhuman amounts of high quality work, completely lost in it and happy, and when it's not, I will spend hours forcing myself to focus, will feel like a wet rag and deliver only a little bit of subpar work Inducing interest on schedule is very hard, unless I've been hyping myself up but delaying the start, and even that is risky, cause I'm pretty likely to forget I cared about the thing at all. My energy levels also fluctuate wildly and unpredictably, so making plans is quite pointless, I work better with defining a general direction and then adapting depending on how I feel. I would not have been hurt by productivity advice if it was more aware of disabilities that directly interfere with following that advice.
Hello, fellow Adhd'er here. They addressed that they arent talking about everyone across the board and that people have different situations. I don't feel they need to turn an hour poscast into 10 hours by caveating everything numerous times for every single possible condition in existence. Simply take what resonates and use it, and leave the rest. And if none of it resonates, move on and just do what works for you :)
Also, there are podcasts out there that are specifically for people with ADHD where you might find info that is more tailored and helpful for your specific experience and stuggles.
@@Linzeyloo2 I get that not every advice is fit for me, but us ADHDers have been actually harmed by the productivity industry. We're struggling with focus and organization and, especially when not diagnosed, naturally turn towards productivity advice. The productivity industry meets us with authoritative statements about the best way to get things done, and when it turns out this "best way" is impossible for us to follow, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that we're lazy and not trying hard enough. My goal here is not so much to argue with Cal, and more to show people that are also struggling to do deep work on schedule that the problem might not be in the willpower and discipline, but that their brain works differently and needs a completely different approach to achieve success. ADHD only really started to really get diagnosed in adults, especially women, in the last 5 years. Before that I spent 15 years trying to make myself fit the systems everyone else swears by
Sure, the professional managerial class' desire to appear busy in order to have something to report to their superiors is inherently capitalistic. Cal's point is that the churn of psuedo-productivity doesn't actually benefit anyone - either us as individuals (e.g., hurts mental health) or the broader capitalistic system we live in (e.g., doesn't increase production or lead to more efficient labor extraction).
Odd the deep dive into dealing with criticism. Seems off topic and a bit... Defensive. I cant help but think, they're talking about how individuals are different in their defense, but the perspective that started this tangent was the feminine perspective. Which makes up about 1/2 the population. Not exactly an individual perspective.
Two comments/questions I get multiple times on a daily basis at work that send ripples through my body are: "I hope your day goes by fast!" and, "How are you? Keeping busy?".
:/
My job (the real one) is to slow down and savour every moment possible, human to human, and to dump any action that comes close to the shallowness or fearfulness of just keeping in motion.
Slowly, I'm going from being agitated by those ripples to having gratitude from the reminder and the desire to do something about the misapprehension of living.
Thanks for the breakfast!
I agree with one commenter here that it was frustrating to me that there was a deep dive into how advice given in the self-help arena can't be for every individual's situation, but this was spurred by a critique of Cal's work from a mother. Although not a mother myself, I am quite passionate about ensuring that conversations about the workplace keep parenting in mind because, as noted in the podcast, these responsibilities and the negative effect on careers falls largely on women. I think it would be incredibly beneficial for Cal to think about how his advise applies to primary caregivers who may often be always "on call" for dealing with childcare issues. The podcast assumes that we are talking about perhaps a mother that works from home and may be distracted by a child. This shows a high level of ignorance by these two men discussing the topic. Unfortunately, many mothers, whether physically with their children or not, are often constantly "on call" for responding to the myriad child issues that can arise in a day. One of the huge answers here is for fathers to be more involved in this so that mothers can have that uninterrupted time, but that requires more than just a father who says "I'll deal with any childcare issues that arise for the next 3 hours." If a mother feels her spouse doesn't consistently keep up with the various issues that may need to be considered in any given decision that may come up during that time frame, she won't feel truly off call. If we keep making mothers feel that everything they do when it comes to childrearing must be perfect but we don't set the same standard for fathers (to be clear, I'd rather we not set these standards at all!), mothers won't be able to get the mental reprieve that will allow them to do deep work.
Fwiw I agree with essentially all of the practical issues you're describing here.
My understanding was that Cal was using that as an example of a situation where his view of something had been expanded and changed by getting nuanced feedback from a listener.
@@ForrestHansonthat was my take away as well. I saw it as an expert in the field seeing his own context and way of thinking as a limitation and engaging with another expert who raised these practical concerns. From my perspective, It felt like a good example of a man taking a feminist critique seriously and reshaping his worldview as a result. I appreciated that modeling.
This definitely makes me feel like less of a loser for not following my passion(s), especially when there are a suite of them. As usual, thank you for being able to articulate a feeling i have not been able to fully form into words until now.
it’s always a great day when my favorite podcasters get together!
I’d love to see a video from you about core values, I’ve heard it mentioned a lot in videos on the channel, but the concept as a whole is confusing and hard to navigate for me.
How do we find our core values?
What are examples of core values?
How can we tell if a core value is our true selfs’ value and not the value of various trauma responses?
How does it feel when you live by a core value? Is it supposed to be hard or easy?
Thanks for all you guys do on this channel❤
Good job on this material. Forrest did a great job keeping pace with speaker Cal Newport and adding to what he was saying as well as breaking it down for us. Great recap at the end, as usual.
Hellonfrom London, 🇬🇧
Wow, this is such a treat❤
Brilliant!!! Thank you ❤
Thanks!
I have ADHD and scheduling work doesn't work for me at all. I quite literally sit and wait until I get an urge to do the thing and then ride the wave as far as it gets me. This is not reliable or easily predictable, but there's an immense difference between the states. When my interest is captured, I can do superhuman amounts of high quality work, completely lost in it and happy, and when it's not, I will spend hours forcing myself to focus, will feel like a wet rag and deliver only a little bit of subpar work
Inducing interest on schedule is very hard, unless I've been hyping myself up but delaying the start, and even that is risky, cause I'm pretty likely to forget I cared about the thing at all.
My energy levels also fluctuate wildly and unpredictably, so making plans is quite pointless, I work better with defining a general direction and then adapting depending on how I feel.
I would not have been hurt by productivity advice if it was more aware of disabilities that directly interfere with following that advice.
Hello, fellow Adhd'er here. They addressed that they arent talking about everyone across the board and that people have different situations. I don't feel they need to turn an hour poscast into 10 hours by caveating everything numerous times for every single possible condition in existence. Simply take what resonates and use it, and leave the rest. And if none of it resonates, move on and just do what works for you :)
Also, there are podcasts out there that are specifically for people with ADHD where you might find info that is more tailored and helpful for your specific experience and stuggles.
@@Linzeyloo2 I get that not every advice is fit for me, but us ADHDers have been actually harmed by the productivity industry. We're struggling with focus and organization and, especially when not diagnosed, naturally turn towards productivity advice. The productivity industry meets us with authoritative statements about the best way to get things done, and when it turns out this "best way" is impossible for us to follow, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that we're lazy and not trying hard enough.
My goal here is not so much to argue with Cal, and more to show people that are also struggling to do deep work on schedule that the problem might not be in the willpower and discipline, but that their brain works differently and needs a completely different approach to achieve success.
ADHD only really started to really get diagnosed in adults, especially women, in the last 5 years. Before that I spent 15 years trying to make myself fit the systems everyone else swears by
@@itsgonnabeokai I suppose I wasn't thinking about it from the undiagnosed perspective, you make a great point there. :)
Liked it in parts but I still do not give up the stance that systems like capitalism n patriarchy are to blame for much of this hustle culture
Sure, the professional managerial class' desire to appear busy in order to have something to report to their superiors is inherently capitalistic.
Cal's point is that the churn of psuedo-productivity doesn't actually benefit anyone - either us as individuals (e.g., hurts mental health) or the broader capitalistic system we live in (e.g., doesn't increase production or lead to more efficient labor extraction).
Odd the deep dive into dealing with criticism. Seems off topic and a bit... Defensive. I cant help but think, they're talking about how individuals are different in their defense, but the perspective that started this tangent was the feminine perspective. Which makes up about 1/2 the population. Not exactly an individual perspective.
@50:00 Any chance to get info on the interview/podcast episode he’s speaking of re: Who’s taking care of the kids?
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