Feminine Wisdom - Schuyler Brown & Samantha Sweetwater
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2022
- Many people have observed that the conversation we have been curating on Rebel Wisdom has featured many more men than women. Of course we have regularly been asking ourselves why that is, and whether there is a more ‘feminine’ contribution to the dialogue that is not being heard?
This was the topic I explored with two fascinating women recently, Schuyler Brown and Samantha Sweetwater.
Check out Schuyler's work here, 'The Art of Emergence': www.artofemergence.com/
And Samantha here: www.samanthasweetwater.com/
I wish they'd start by talking about what the feminine really is, before referring to it in nearly every sentence of the conversation.
Because it is ethereal, divine, spiritual, nebulous...
It's relative. But we humans conceptualize it as Yin.
I’m listening 10 minutes now and just can’t listen further.
Conversations need to be heard out to have a possibility of being understood.
This is my favourite RW episode so far, although it got a bit new-agey towards the end. Schuyler Brown said: “I’m always curious about what it is that’s in the way of us being in our bodies and in right relationship with each other…” Pain, restriction, and death are in the way. As Samantha Sweetwater alluded to, it is the “existential elephant in the room.” We have mostly sorted out the nature-caused difficulties through things like farming, housing, and medicine. Now we just need to sort out the human-caused difficulties.
So why would humans cause difficulties for each other? Currently, we tend to think that the difficulties are caused by bad or stupid people. In reality, the difficulties are caused by believing that people are bad or stupid. Having this attitude when you meet people means that you will fear their judgement and they will fear your judgement. This feels painful now, has painful consequences in the future, and distracts us away from solving the real issues.
A good exercise is to imagine that it’s impossible for people to be bad or stupid. Then have a conversation about something contentious like Depp/Heard or FBI/Trump. Assume none of the people involved are bad or stupid, and then ask “Why?” at each step of the conversation. See where it leads. It's like untangling a fishing line.
In addition to assuming that no one is "bad or stupid", you can also experiment with assuming that no one is "lacking happiness or morally flawed", or that no one is "dependent on gain or maintenance". You might be surprised by how deep it goes.
Martin, I love your comment, and that you communicated it in a very practical way that “everyone can understand”, while I’m NOT “certain of Everything”, I’ve approached everyone, throughout my life, “as if” they were good(and fully believing THIS to be TRUE).
I’ve trusted in people being good, as they are all my brothers &sisters, our sacred human family. This approach to life has never caused me harm or injury.
Anyway, I just wanted to say, “thank you” for expressing this message so clearly and in a way we all can understand and choose to apply in our life(if we want to try it. I for one, recommend it. (So long as one feels they know and trust their own selves, or are “willing to”/trying to.)
I approach the “Creator” mystry the same way. I don’t spend time trying to “understand or “know” everything, such as, Who is “the Creator”. I cant even ,”frame the question/statement, accurately (as there is no “who”; however, I live my life believing, “that which is the Highest, Benevolent, Creator(of LOVE, for example), and of ALL (in reality,and “ALL” even goes beyond my intellectual comprehension!! )
But, this is Okay! I simply chose to Live “believing” Our Creator(by whatever name) , is ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTANDING OF ALL, LOVES AND CARES ABOUT ALL”, and so long as I trust and Believe, everything I need “to know/understand”, will be revealed, as I need to know.
Meanwhile, I’m secure in just Trusting that there is an abundance of Love, Care, Order, and Good Energy, available to us all, at all times, ..and is okay if I don’t always understand IT or if there are Truths, that are still, “Mysteries” to me at this time and place in my life.
My Belief and Trust in the Power, Goodness, Beauty, Knowledge, Reason, Creativity, Good Energy, within all of sacred Humanity and our Mother Earth, and Beyond, is Good Enough For All My Needs.
And, like Martin, I continue to Pray/to Desire - that our Human family continue to create and develop relationships with One Another, “in the manner that Martin so perfectly and simply described”.
If we all practice the “approach/understanding/perspective” toward one another, as he stated, I think we’d all be overwhelmed with Gratitude, Love, and Amazed by Life, our ability to Connect & have relationships nd communities, and by the Beauty of one another and by our Planet, “Revealed and Given” to all of us, to share in, in harmony, and in Life.
Thank you, Martin - if we can all try to live by the way you described, it could be exactly what we need to sustain Life on Earth. I will continue to pray that we all have the willingness, or courage, or desire, or healthy fortitude to “recognize the goodness we all share, as human beings, in one another, and thus, treat ourselves as the “Human Family that We Are”. 🙏☝️☮️☀️♥️💪🌺☀️🥰💫🌍🤱🏼🙏
Lots to think about, thank you.
A long awaited conversation with many facets that could be spun out and unpacked in further discussion.
Great!
For inclusivity and diversity and all that stuff, you should invite some Women who are not American. They are pretty well represented everywhere in the west. But non-Western Women are not. Wisdom from Women outside the West is what I am interested in, especially with regard to the feminine, because they undoubtedly are more feminine and wiser, especially 50+ women (in my opinion).
Great point
Wow! Right on. Yes please. I’m middle eastern living in LA for ten years now and this is exactly what is missing in the convo. There’s a certain feminine wisdom that exists in the east that the west right now is not only lacking, but sadly exporting to the east and poisoning the east as well.
I was thinking the same, there seem to be a very americanised way of being considered wise or educated as a wise woman. All women are wise, we are all intuitive having multiple breakdowns or spiritual crisis ( what ever you choose to call it) you don’t have to be into body work ect to be wise, though I do appreciate any conversation regarding women retaining or being connected to our own agency as females.
Epistemically authorizes that these shortyz is too whyte!
Thank you so much for this conversation: Intelligent. Inclusive. I echo the sentiments around evolving our relationship with Positive Feminine + Masculine Identity
Bringing these conversations into your space opens up opportunities for exposure to different perspectives that are very much alive in our world today. Thank you for the representation.
Fabulous ☺️
Two civilizational dysfunctions are being equated here with the masculine principle. One might caution against this move. The dysfunctions are capitalistic profit-oriented value-systems and left-brain bias. The first champions profit and function, the second celebrates abstract rationality. The roots of these two tendencies go deep into our past and their origins are profound and multifaceted. Pinning it on masculinity may turn out to be too simple. The critique of left-brain capitalist mentality is important, and if it happens to arise as a critique of unhealthy masculinity, I am supportive of that, as long as this does not perpetuate harmful cultural code. The risk is that once these ideas scale they amplify anti-masculine values (because you've equated the ills of civilization with masculine traits).
A second thing to be careful with is to equate meditation with transcendence. Most of the traditions after Nagarjuna (3rd century B.C.) recognized the ultimate ground as the union of emptiness (pure consciusness, I-amness, empty witnessing) and form (energy, movement, phenomena), and if you followed the injunctions, the idea was that eventually you'd come to the point where it became impossible to separate the two. Doesn't mean there aren't tons of heavy transcenders out there, just that most traditions land you in a place where you do not witness form-you are form. So great is this intimacy that you don't even hear the sound, but the sound is the shape that your being is taking in this moment. Most mature spiritual teachers (and Deida is pretty clear on this as well) emphasize the non-duality of consciousness and energy. The goal which is not a goal is to see that each moment is always-already you coming into being as the embrace of the two. You can choose to single out and emphasize, for the sake of play, or other reasons, the masculine or the feminine, but as Spirit these names don't pertain to you.
Our feminist culture seems to be exceedingly lacking in feminine wisdom, so this conversation is welcome.
Not meant as criticism, but wonder if either of these women are mothers? The ven diagram of feminine and mother don't overlap 100%, but I feel like the perspective of a mother is critical in a discussion of the feminine.
Also, not many people find new-agey communication style very easy to understand or relate to.
I don't feel at home in this conversation at all, it's like they're speaking a different language. Could it be all the "new-agey" communication style you speak of? I mean no disrespect, by the way.
Wow, thank you! What a fantastic conversation lt's so needed to find embodiment in sensemaking.
As a very masculine man, this opened up a lot of space to grow into.
Well done Rebel Wisdom, we need many more such convos in this little corner of the internet.
@@elektrotehnik94 Same. As a... probably exceedingly "rational" man (I've been called a machine by an ex, lol) this really helps. It sort of breaks new inner ground for me. Uncharted territories... And it makes a lot of sense. I've found that I don't allow myself to feel much. When I do, it can be tumultuous, but ultimately, it's always nurturing and rewarding.
Beatiful
I love this 3ooo
Thank you for identifying, “Self-Responsibility” as being a requirement for our collective healing and survival. Is so true and ‘essential’ for all of us to identify, accept, and hold/live by, as a vital facet of each of our individual foundations..and we ALL need to RETURN TO this ‘one’ VALUE, in order for our own ability to experience positive relationships, families, groups, communities, societies . . . “ a healthy human culture”.
And, we need to develop as simple a way as possible to demonstrate and reach/teach/communicate “awarenesses”, such as this (for one example), with language that is not overly verbose, not overly “specialized”, and is language that as many people as possible can understand.
Maybe it’s just me, but I find that sometimes these conversations can become too “colloquial” or “jargon based”, thus leaving out all the people that need the “message” communicated as simply as possible, such that almost anyone “hear” the messages, values, principles, concepts, narratives...etc., because IF the language is too abstract or perhaps, too centered in “the world of those who have been on this journey/path, and who are,and have been, submerged in “a certain community/philosophy/ or metaphysical reality”, that the average person, “who has not yet” encountered or been guided into such “teachings, self-exploration, or self&social and philosophical or epistemological examination and practices/awarenesses/‘ways of understanding life or sense-making, etc. Because, the goal needs to be to reach, the “largest proportion of our human family”- ALL people need to be “reached, and “invited in” to a new way of self- understanding, and self-actualization and holistic healing, in order to have a strong foundation to reach the “higher levels of being” that our guest prays that sacred humanity will get to.
I realize that I’m not good at communicating this in written form, I’m likely not using the correct words, but at the root, we need to be able to communicate in a way that we reach as many people as possible, as clearly and accurately as possible, with the goal being, to communicate a message in such a way that “understanding the message being shared”, reaches, and is “clearly received, (if not yet fully understood), by as many of our sisters and brothers, as possible.
Once that is done, all we can do, is “live our truth”, continue to develop and grow-in body,mind,spirit-holistically, and grow and evolve as our guest described, and hope that by “example” (together with, “messaging”, and clear, true communication) those who are truly and humbly wise - will resonate with all. And that all who is “reached”, will come to understand, heal, and “seek to grow and develop”, in their own-selves, in their own lives, in their families, relationships, and go on to teach and share “these higher ways of communion” with those in their lives. (Ideally, In the physical realm, if possible. Otherwise, in the digital dimension. I’m an old-soul, and am pulled toward physical energy patterns vs. digital-But, that’s just me. Is possibly why I’m not as comfortable communicating on screens, as I am, face to face, in ‘natural physical spaces’.
I haven't watched the clip yet but I agree with you regarding simplifying messages so they can reach everyone.
Certain people use language that is foriegn to the layman. I love language & have a broad vocabulary but only because my dad was a journalist & he wanted us to learn & love words as he did.
Not everyone is like me though & I fully understand the need to keep it simple. We all have different strengths & where we have strengths we also have weaknesses & these vary enormously from person to person. Expecting a fish to climb a tree is unreasonable, so is expecting everyone to have a broad vocabulary.
In the past I have watched Daniel Schmactenberger & found that the language he used would've sounded like a foreign language to some, even I had to look up one or two terms that he used because I didn't know them. Lol.
For all their intelligence, academics can be pretty unintelligent when it comes to effective communication. Obviously a weakness for them.
I attended a talk at Pacifica years ago “Tribute to Jungian Marion Woodman” Robert Johnson (Jungian Author) did a talk called “The Nobility of the Feeling Function”. That message needs urgent attention. There needs to be a Union of the Masculine and Feminine (in Actuality). This conversation is a beginning…
Great and impactful conversation. My question/quibble: when we talk about "men" "women", etc ... aren't we really talking about *U.S.* culture? How might these observations track across diff countries, tribes, religions, etc.? I'm less convinced the observations made here (by all 3) are durable enough to map to all humans.
I enjoyed this thought evoking discourse!
And I’d love to recommend reaching out to several women who are Academics and experts in Nonviolent Communication - Roxy Manning, Miki Kashtan and Sarah Peyton. All have strong online presence and public speaking experience.
What is that hand at 10:07
right???😳
Amazing conversation, amazing women, thank you for putting this together!
Thank you for doing this- I AM A “ Public Feeler” too asan Intuitive (Embodied)
Always on point. It's hard to think of a conversation more relevant than this.
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I really appreciated this talk, felt truly like a missing puzzle piece. 💚
Yay! I like Samantha I will have to watch this 🤗
SO who will lay the bricks, build bridges and ensure that our power grid runs without any disruptions?
Asians
Enjoyed this conversation :)
Could anyone point me towards further reading on the broader map Samantha spoke of which includes Yin-Yang as well as Shiva and Shakti...
Another excellent conversation 👏
Wish I’d been there.
What I most appreciate here is that these women are discussing things grounded in femininity. They are not merely another display of women thinking and behaving like men… This is the most profound thing I’m missing from all of these dialogues and this is a rare instance of that missing thing being found.
This is the clearest and most grounded conversation I've ever heard on this set of topics.
I want to amend my own comment to reflect the content. The effect on me was to shift the way I hold some of these issues into a more constructive frame.
As a very masculine man, this opened up a lot of space to grow into.
Well done Rebel Wisdom, we need many more such convos in this little corner of the internet.
The missing conversation on the Rebel Wisdom Platform.....Look forward to witnessing more interplay between the 4 Quadrants and the Dance of Life unfolding.
It will be fun. Thanks to Schuler, Samantha and David for this enlivening conversation.
As a very masculine man, this opened up a lot of space to grow into.
Well done Rebel Wisdom, we need many more such convos in this little corner of the internet.
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What are they talking about with "Game A ... dynamics"?
We need to respect the polarities -
Its Sophistry Central again folks.
Looking forward to future videos showing how this experience and language develops. I rewound the video to see the hand moving Samantha’s hair. I did not hear any sound disruption despite her hair being close to the mic. Touching someone and moving their hair was odd and not in a good way.
It was extremely odd given that it was a conversation dedicated to speaking to empowered women.............'hold on a minute a couple of strsnds of your hair fell over the mic and that isnt good, you're obviously not capable of managing it., so I''m just gonna sort that messiness out myself, by tidying you up, there that's better'....... david in a subtle nutshell moment just explained the patriarchy................
I thought it demonstrated ninja skills and gentleman instinct.
@@PeeGee85 Exactly........directly focusing on one issue and one issue only at the expense of all others to get the job done.
@@grahammoffat9752 The host moving a few strands of a woman's hair demonstrates patriachy? Wow, I have heard it all now! You are reading to into it dude, presumably from your bias and looking for things that are not there.
“The hand”? Why be so unclear?
I was really enjoying this conversation (I was listening on Spotify) until the point at which one of the speakers insisted on making a strong case for acknowledging collapse. I thought that was an instance of the shadow feminine (not female), which instead of being compassionate and inclusive -- expressing agape -- is instead thanatic.
19:00 - I think for a long time our culture has been shaped by competitive market forces and one of them is setting up consumers to be maximally loose with their finances. I think that's a really big part of why our culture's been actively encouraged to be puerile and why we've had so much immature masculinity and femininity, ie. it lines someone else's pockets. I really hope that's coming to a close for a while.
A large part of the conversation about the media was relevant and important, but what was not discussed was the corporations behind the media. The owners and shareholders. The judges and politicians are also adding to the diseases of the human condition.
What I don’t agree about is social media. I mean look at what they are engaged in. We are watching on UA-cam (social media) and this was shared with me on Discord (social
media). I then shared it with my community in Telegram (more social
media). Social media has such potential for community, and sharing ideas. It is just a tool which can be used very very well!
and I need to learn to keep listening before responding because that conversation got a lot more nuanced!!! 😅❤️
True... I'm with you on this. I think that ultimately it's exactly social media, or to be more precise, the internet that will "save" us. Imagine lacking this potential... Imagine not being able to have and hear these conversations... Maybe this way we're moving at breakneck speed, but without it we would've been stuck in stasis.
After stoically enduring the whole 1 hour and 9 minutes of this New Age gibberish and psychobabble I came to a realization that if this is what “feminine wisdom” amounts to I am truly happy to conclude that I possess none of it.
Thank you for saving an hour of my time. After 9 minutes I had to scroll down to see if my insufferability radar was going off erroneously.
You are very welcome. I knew I was in for a torture/unforgettable encounter with feminine spirit and wisdom at about 04:15 into the podcast when one of them introduced herself as “a healer, futurist and facilitator of group experience” and the other as “the founder of a global movement of dancing freedom” and - as her website will have us know - “a nature wanderer, sacred activist, wisdom leader and culture coder.”
So even though all red flags were up early on, I continued watching mainly to see if David was playing a practical joke on us by having them on or if he was dashingly exposing the “feminine wisdom” for what it really is. To this moment I am not sure of the answer.
@@biovalis4710 I feel my IQ has dropped to single figures after watching this so it's hard to know what the answer is. Hope that is not the problem you are having.
Paula, thanks for your concern 🙏. I am still assessing the damage to my psyche after my prolonged exposure to this claptrap. I seem to have survived but I wonder if David is ok? 😁
it didn’t “resonate” with you
I really want to see Jordan Peterson in a long conversation with these two. I'd love to know whether he's familiar with the symbology these use to communicate with each other.
He would probably dominate the conversation quite quickly, he is too sharp and too much the intellectual powerhouse, he would unbalance the conversation, and to be honest would probably lose patience or have no interest in the topic, mostly because he is well aware of the topics and probably wouldn't have much to learn.
In short: Jordan is so unfamiliarized of the potency of inner work, there would be a wide chasm in-between the conversation. It would be a challenge to bridge that gap, even for a amazing-level communicator. Especially in a public setting, especially with all the attention of the collective shadow Jordan has on himself.
Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, or that it has an amazing possibility of being culture-cathartic. Just (possibly too) big of a step.
@@elektrotehnik94 Nope, he is so far advanced in inner shadow work that he would wipe the floor with these women, easily. He has read all of Jung and has practically spent his life looking within.
@@danrichards9823 Jungians can't stand Peterson, obvious reasons, ask a few!
@@miketomlin6040 How strange of them.
You should interview Sahara Rose.
You won the internet today. Thanks for this.
This was an interesting watch. I really enjoyed listening to Samantha, Carl Jung or psychology in general are amazing meta skills to help you navigate in life.
Rebel Wisdom pretty good at finding 🐘 😀
Glad to hear some feminine thinking on sensemaking!
oh dear. The language of these woman is almost foreign to me. Their obvious western privilege will probably 'speak to' some women, but they have left me cold. Every sentence, pretty much, was just a collection of the acceptable phrases. No concrete, down-to -earth, real communication. "sensemaking space"...What? "cultural embodiment" ?...."attention mining"?...fabrics of connectivity" ? I am definitely not a stupid person, but this language does not feel like it helps humanity.
OR...could it be that this same old format of 'podcast' forces conversation into a pace which is actually quite masculine , and so not conducive for the 'feminine' to be properly portrayed.?
I have to agree that the Jargon could be off putting-when I started following Rebel Wisdom in the early 2020s it felt like a totally new language to me.After a while and much listening to mostly, men talking to each other I began to decode the lingo.Maybe because of my inner masculine coming online.
@@trishhaugh2406 I mean, don't get me wrong...I do comprehend all those phrases, but I definitely felt they were being overused, so, together with the usual speedy pace of public speech, it was not conducive to enjoyable listening., even though I do like the intellectual challenge of these kinds of podcasts. Still, it is refreshing to have women on a podcast for a change.
I'm having the same trouble with a few friends at the moment who keep saying things like "healing" or "healing work", "spirituality and connectivity" and "creativity" in a very subjective, wishy-washy ways and I'm trying not to be confrontational about it, but I don't think it helps. It just raises more eye brows and feels like a deliberate attempt to stay as foggy as possible to allow room and camouflage to change ones position on something without facing criticism. I'm trying to help them be more specific now because I know there's certain people who hear those phrases and think "get a real job ya hippie" and I don't want that for them because there is genuinely something valuable in what they're trying to talking about, they're just not expressing it in a way that's pragmatic and accessible
@@brendancahill3723 yes, 'pragmatic and accessible' is necessary anywhere near the 'coal face' or' front lines' of an attempt to move forward as a workable humanity. (oops, probably ended up using cliche there, which is another type of woollyness!)
Yep, wanted to like this but it just sounded like an episode too rich in word salad and self-indulgent. I struggle to see what the conversation achieves other than the practitioners agreeing with each other and massaging egos.
Perhaps you could talk to Liv Boeree
What is toxic identity dynamics?
Why does the "feminine" aspect of "sense making" have to be all airy-fairy and new agey? It all sounds nice and comforting until you realize there's not a lot tangible here.
Right? Clearly I was not stoned enough for any of the conversation to make any sense whatsoever.
It's not necassarily, though it's how it shows up with these two women. But also, sense making does and should include the less tangible. Over the years, I've tried to increase my sensitiivity to the less tangible aspects of self development and life, and it makes life more enjoyable for me. Not everything comes up as a schematic, sometimes a poem is more useful.
@@Dilmahkana: Question: You say it made your life more enjoyable, but what does that have to do with determining demonstrable reality? What does happiness have to do with determining the truth?
@@bobcharles7933 Noting we probably don't fully overlap with the terms used, and I'm probably not equipped enough to answer that massive question well haha, but I'll try my best in this situation. I'll mainly talk about "reality".
"Demonstrable reality" to me sounds like you're meaning 'science', 'hard facts'? But I think that is reducing 'reality'. Obviously science is a big part of it, but it will only ever be 'a part' of reality.
It's no surprise our best physicists of the 20th century were also greatly involved with spiritual learnings like Buddhism and Taoism. David Bohm, Neils Bohr, Eistein all had a deep connection with the intangible.
Wholeness (interconnectedness, inter-relatedness) is very much true, but we can never perceive it fully. Even if you make a machine to measure everything in the universe, down to the smallest subatomic particle, then you have to build a machine that takes into account the first machine because it's now part of 'everything', and so on... Our knowledge is fininte, reality is not. "The model of reality can be useful. Treating the model as if it is Reality is false idol worship" - Daniel Schmachtenberger
How do you perceive the process of a growing plant, a living forest, co-evolution, ecology? I can know the process of photosynthesis in depth, but I can't see it. I abstract it in my mind, is that reality? I've got all the facts right but I can never know the real thing. "The map is not the territory", the knowledge of the thing is not the thing. Walking into a forest, knowing that the "reality" of things is there are millions of processses, moments of communication, learnings happening every second, and I'll never know it because it's always changing. This creates awe to me. People who think a forest as separate aspects only (trees, dirt, birds) might be able to find out more 'things', but they are more wrong about reality than someone who knows its interconnectedness even though it sounds more airy-fairy.
Sense-making also includes the senses, body senses too. How are you perceiving another's words? Do you like the person, are you triggered, defensive, do you think you're smarter than them, where are your biases, where's the tension in your body? Those are part of reality, and you need to tap into the intangible if you want to develop sensitivity (and improve) to them. Relationships (between you and yourself, others, the news, music, nature, the world) are how we as humans live. To get better at them is airy-fariy. That stuff isn't hard or set, it's always shifting so we need to fluid and flexible.
@@Dilmahkana ✨💛✨
internalized capitalisms? do you mean trying to be efficient and effective in order to be self reliant? or perhaps you mean trying to be efficient and effective in order to raise kids well. or perhaps trying to be efficient and effective in order to run a business and keep people employed. or just live a good and full life. these days my brain turns off when ever I hear the word internalized.
39:03 THIS!!! Thank you, ladies. 🏅💥🎇
10:06 wtf who’s hand is that?
If male = witnessing, women = witnessed then child = witnesser
Ok. Yoga. Healing. Passion. Spirituality. Dancing. Got it.
I love being a single guy.
These two women are blowing my f*cking mind and transforming so many conversations in my life right now.
Two w0men blowing is always the best part of the conversation
15:00 Shiva vs Shakti
I did not resonate with this at all at all at all...
Ahhhh women’s voices. Rich wealthy women, but intelligent, thoughtful, creative spiritual women. How do we include the voice of broke women? And broke men. The moneyless victims of the current system? There’s wisdom in them there communities too.
Great point. For a balanced representation, a range of backgrounds and economic class would be interesting to see on this platform. Poor women are the majority on the planet, and seldom have the luxury of relating to these macro concepts in the realm of culture and spirituality. They have more pressing concerns that take up their time, the stress of survival and the day to day. The stressful position they are living with can suppress intellectual contemplative work and communication. RW is an intellectual and contemplative space. Their ability to stay in touch with a wider range of class representations does not seem to be the main focus. But the work is a positive, and will elevate the broader cultural space. It would be interesting to hear from non-western voices as well.
--A broke woman 😉
they're wealthy because they have a lot of value to share lol dont shame them for succeeding in life
100% agree. I'm sick of hearing rich white people talk about stuff. When do we get our turn? Ditto regarding the lack of cultural diversity.
I haven't watched RW in a long time, due mainly to the male dominant content. I often commented on their lack of female input but ultimately gave up all together.
Decided to see if anything had changed on here & was happy to see this clip BUT I struggled to watch it at all. I will try to persist though.
Time for us poor folk to start a media platform of our own.
Who's with me? 😂😂😂
Panjectivity. Amen to that.
Spiritually speaking (gender aside), matriarchal wisdom can also begin with an understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God).
Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle.
As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8).
Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experiences associated with the transpersonal awakening process.
In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary "ego" death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld, her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle.
Mary's anointing and wiping of Jesus's feet with her hair can then be seen as head to tail (toe) imagery as she descends and marries her matriarchal head to his patriarchal feet, thus reenacting the high understanding of the divine cyclical process.
To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle.
Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society.
A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. ua-cam.com/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/v-deo.html
"See all women as mothers, serve them as your mother. When you see the entire world as the mother, the ego falls away. See everything as Mother and you will know God." - Neem Karoli Baba
Wow. If you want actual wisdom based on ancient faith, a couple of Eastern Orthodox nuns could take these two apart in seconds and bring everybody down to earth while revealing true otherworldly goodness.
"the mature feminine doesn't go on Twitter"
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Wisdom is feminine: “Out in the open wisdom calls aloud, she raises her voice in the public square; on top of the wall she cries out, at the city gate she makes her speech:”
Proverbs 1:20-21
...its like woman struggles to keep "bullshit" out of the picture,- and make relevance realisation cleare. What been said is harder to make sense of...
10:06 Whoodawutnow?????????????
Yes there certainly is an 'unlistenability' about this parody of a New Age conversation. Especially Schulyer Brown who is simply irritating and who seems to embody the word narcissism. But at the same time there are certain points brought up which are worthy for discussion. Don't ask me to list them! But I've learnt not to totally dismiss these sort of conversations completely, even if the panelists irritate me.
One of the many problems of this dialogue is that in a world where women can't even leave their houses alone a la Taliban or where women are being shot in the streets a la Iran or where women are still having their clitorises removed a la parts of Africa these panelist sound narcissistic, self-righteous, privileged and simply out of touch with much of the women outside these panelists' New Age world. Where's Hirsi Ali when you need her.
But I reiterate that these two women, even if they were extremely irritating and at times vapid, also touched on some important points which need further discussion (perhaps without them!).
Amazing to hear that Schuyler was in advertising for over a decade, had a spiritual/existential crisis, and became a corporate dropout. Same here!
I always enjoy hearing stories where people have evolved away from something they realize is not useful to their honest reality.
It's Interesting you feel that way because a background in advertising feels like a red flag to me. She's using all of the right words though.
@@dadadebroglie We can't change who we were or what we did pre-existential crisis. But, we can now use our understanding of "how the sausage is made" in the marketing/advertising industry to expose things about how it works, help people realize how their psychology is being exploited, and help people protect themselves moving forward.
@@dadadebroglie One of the information presenters I listen to, the Great Simplification with Nate Hagans, was into the Wall Street casinos making big money for his clients until he realized that the economy game is so disconnected from the real resources of the shrinking energy system.
I see this guest as having a similar epiphany.
Of course she's going to be an adept communicator given her training, but I think she is being sincere.
@@slowwco "The Scorpion and the Frog" more likely than Saul of Tarsus. No we cannot change who we were, so that is why It is important to make the right choices for the right reasons. I get suspicious when I hear people speak in the form of a mission statement. The chains of old masters or a tool of enslavement?
There is a REASON Dr. Jordan Peterson is so big. The polarities are reall.
I've been watching, listening and learning from Rebel Wisdom since it's conception. I stopped a little while ago because I was so tired of only hearing men's voices. Checked in last week and found this latest interview.... How darn refreshing! I've listened 3 times to understand the conversation as best I can. So much to ponder over. I especially appreciated the segment on men and women both hurting each other. Those who comment that this interview is rubbish are not listening. Thank you David.
Excellent discussion. I feel like I’ll have to watch this a second time to take in the deep level of nuance articulated here! More if this please. Enough smart guys telling us what to do and more feminine embodiment of what it feels like to be “there”!
Great conversation except shocked about expression of ‘relief’ on Johnny depp being ‘heard’ leaving out so much of the dynamics of abuse, much less the massive troll campaigns to smear Amber heard. Kind of aghast in fact.
I wonder if you listen to Laura Richards as well. I only listen to experts on the subject of crime (I quit the "true crime" spectacle) and they always have a different perspective from the public at large.
@@nicolegagneux9919 I haven't listened to Laura Richards. I've been in circles of abuse survivors, been following online information manipulation, and followed a few people tracking the bot/troll campaigns specifically to smear Amber Heard.
I’m not sure how to express how lucky David is to have Dialogos with two wise rebellious women.
A topic that came up in the conversation is whether "getting crazier" is "going somewhere"? Now I know this channel probably hasn't been a fan of postmodernists but in this case I suppose Deleuze and Guattari would say "Yes" in answer to the question - depending on the form it took. And I see some potential for exploration in that - even if we don't want to be constrained by the postmodern.
I agree and think the last comment that samamtha made in the direction towards immanence is very telling. It puts the conversation squarely at the feet of not just deleuze and guattari but of kristeva, irigaray, braidotti, barad, bennet, butler, ettinger; absolute giantesses of feminist philosophy who have been having the immanent discourse from the 80's onward without any hint of the use of the term 'mastery of subjectivity' other than in the critique of the phallocentric paradigm which I believe this conversation still remains in.
The work of Bayo Akomolafe is relevant to what you comment on in terms of the craziness.
Finally! Sigh…. Thank you all for this public space.
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OMG. yes. Just add misandry in too. it's such an invisible prevalent thing.
"Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men."
Re: 0:45 Why is it there's no videos on the follies of femininity? Just FYI, I could do, and would even appreciate series on the follies of masculinity, of which there are many. But just because masculinity isn't perfect doesn't mean that femininity is "better" or even under-appreciated. It seems we spend an awful lot of time appreciated femininity and the better question might be how much of that is useful?
17 minutes in and transfixed. I realize that I feel some insecurity and inadequacy in the typically masculine paradigms, whereas I need to integrate the feeling side and the process-orientation as much as product-orientation. This is such an important part of our evolution to integrate the archetypal male and female orientations… Perhaps gender and sexuality becoming recognized and embodied as a spectrum is a reflection of that need for integration rather than the dichotomy.
Low views and low likes. Come on, men!
Love the silver fox
LOL
Why does wisdom need to be genderized? If your guests have been mostly male, then bring on more females but you don't need to genderize wisdom
Ever heard of yin and yang?
Why does water *need* to be wet? It's just an observed characteristic of the world we inhabit
I would like to recommend Jesus. learn about the historicity of the resurrections, and the peruse him. its a better way.
We are animals, with a mixture of entropic capacities (harming/killing/dismembering/fragmenting living and non-living resources) and syntropic capacities (our body's capacity for embryonic development, growth and learning, complex behaviour and problem solving, and reproduction). Unfortunately, our innate cognitive and emotional tendencies, and our technologies, tend to reflect the former rather than the latter because this is how most animals (especially predators) interact with the world. We are consumers BY NATURE, and have our natural role alongside the photosynthetic producers and the fungal recyclers in the Syntropic circle of life.
Our entropic culture is dominated by competitive, win-lose attitudes, rules, economies and technologies. And these have become unchecked within positive feedback loops, and the exponential growth of all this entropic power-seeking is harming our miraculous Syntropic planetary subsystems, including ecosystems, climate systems, and even our cultural "infosphere" or collective consciousness.
Jesus set an example and gave clear instructions to help guide us toward voluntary (internal) standards, attitudes and wisdom that could allow us to cultivate the Syntropic capacity for self-restraint, while opening the gate to joy, beauty and communion with Creation's capacity for Syntropic evolution. Negative feedback is essential for the health, beauty and longevity of our living planet's various systems and susbsystems- including cells, tissues, organs, organisms, social groups and ecosystems. Self-restraint of our capacity for reckless entropic power-seeking is a Syntropic capacity. Cultivating our Syntropic capacities will be essential if we are to turn the Anthroposcene around from an exponential race to destruction into an age of renewal and expanding enlightenment.
If you do want to learn from Jesus (and not be confused by his followers and commentators), then start with his own words and teachings. This is best done with either a Jeffersonian Bible or even easier a "red-letter" Bible. Most Bible apps/websites allow us to pick any translation and click the "red-letter" option. What seekers will find is consistent, sensible, practical teaching for how to restrain our capacity for destructive (entropic) power-seeking, and therefore how to live more Syntropically (e.g. according to God's will).
For more detail, see my other comment in this thread.
Complete word salad. They could talk for a billion years and get nowhere. Still talking about feelings, energy, connection, values, consciousness etc And have zero understanding of the parameters or principles.
Bang bang
Sounds like gobbledygook to me. That’s just me,if anyone can understand this stuff and it helps in some way that’s great. It seems like nonsense to me but I don’t know a lot so more power to you. It’s not cuz they’re women,mostly this channel sounds like that to me.
Fair enough. Enjoy your day. 👍🏼
You need to embody your intersubjectity flow in ways that are masterful and imminent/immanent.