Would've been unstoppable if they managed to find that one weakness the architect hid in the plans. Also Would've been stopped beforehand if Saw learned not to butt in where he shouldn't be
Every imperials: Ok, it blown up ! So how can we make sure this never happened again ? Emperor: let's make another one but this time, make a BIG BIG BIG hole inside the second one
Tarkin jumps at the opportunity to divert funding to the Death Star and then years later complains to Thrawn how it is "nothing but expenses and excuses for years on end." Tarkin really was the embodiment of a corporate VP that scapegoated his subordinates for his failures.
People will say it's a plot hole but no it's really the most realistic thing ever for a large bureaucracy and a high level manager who never takes any responsibility for his actions
@@marcw6875 Bad batch scene is only around 2 years after the end of the clone wars that's nearly 17 years stuck in construction. Rebels scene is 1- 2 years before A new hope so Tarkin would tired of the delays by then
@@MsAmber82 To be fair, Bad Batch takes place in the first 2ish years after the Clone Wars, and we saw in ROTS that the frame of the Death Star had been complete. Rebels on the other hand is only a couple years away from ANH, meaning a bit over a decade has passed. That's enough time to get less enthusiastic about a project, especially if it's seemingly being constantly delayed and over its already astounding budget while the problem it was ostensibly meant to solve keeps getting worse and worse with each passing day. The TIE Defender project was expensive in it's own right, but it was ready for at least limited production, and ideally had it been approved, there would have been more factories set up to produce the Defender in the numbers needed by a galactic military. Tarkin's main priority in Rebels was trying to keep the small pockets of resistance from joining together, and supporting the Defender project's ability to be operational in the short-term makes sense over hoping that the Death Star won't be hit with another massive delay.
@@patrickwilkinson7351 Just like the grand vizier said to Krennic in rogue one prequel novel”if you can not figuring out the main weapon,all we do here is wasting money on the universe most expensive space station”
It was kind of weird that he announced it to the entire base at the end of Bad Batch. Why didn’t he just say it to the chick behind closed doors. Everyone and their mom knows what project stardust is.
@@raetekusu1 Once the bugs and design problems had been resolved (except for that pesky "thermal exhaust port" issue), throwing together a new one to barely functioning weapon status in three years - albeit bigger and with a more quickly regenerating main superlaser - was certainly possible.
The mystery and aura that surrounds the construction of the Death Star is too powerful, each content they release about the Death Star gives more value to the Battle of Yavin
Actually no. this is just memberberries they use to overshadow the fact, that their new shows don't hold up on their own and they need to dangle the keychain in front of your face, so you can see 'uh i know that from the one good movie they made 47 years ago!'
Andor had the best nod to the construction of the Death Star. When I was wondering what the prisoners were building and then saw what it is used for, it absolutely blew my mind.
Don't know if it counts as "construction" of the Death Star but there are also a couple of episodes of Rebels that deal with hunting down kyber crystals that are being used in the Death Star's firing mechanism. Season 1's episode 'Breaking Ranks' has Ezra going undercover as an Imperial cadet to uncover the location of the first, with Kanan and Kera later taking out the transporter carrying it. Then the season 4 episode 'In The Name of the Rebellion, part 2' has Ezra, Sabine and Saw Gerrera discovering a huge, unstable kyber crystal in the hold of one of a container transport. An escaping Imperial trooper contacts his superior, asking him to inform Director Krennic immediately. In both cases, the crystals are destroyed with a catastrophic explosion, demonstrating their power and also slowing down the construction process.
I always like how the prequel and other Star Wars movies or series added the Death Star construction foreshadowing the original trilogy / Episode 4 A New Hope
That was the Rouge one concept art. Scarif would've been the construction site. Otherwise why have construction walkers on a Telecommunications / data archive base?
As cool as that concept art looks, it would’ve made no sense and contradicted canon. The Death Star construction site moved twice depending on what was being built. The early frame was constructed around Geonosis, the majority of the exterior panels and interior layout were constructed at The Maw Installation, and the super laser was constructed over Scarif. Moving a space station that large INSIDE of a planet just to build the super laser just doesn’t make sense.
In the EU book “Death Star”, the construction takes place above the planet of Despayre, rather than above Geonosis/Scarif. Staying in the EU canon: Although Maw Installation is where the research & design were done, only the prototype was built there and at a smaller scale compared to the production models. Lastly, The Hutts built their DarkSaber in orbit over Nal Hutta. Disney Canon has changed some of these data-points.
It is interesting to hear that the death Star Is calld Project Stardust in English, in German it is calld Projekt kleiner Stern ( Project little Star).
It’s right when he reveals himself as the Sith Lord to Anakin in revenge of the Sith. Anakin walks in to inform him that Kenobi has engaged with General Grevious
This was the dumbest idea ever. The empire would have won the war had they invested in the TIE defender. And project Necromancer wouldn't even have been needed complete in a long time. Tarkin was a fool, and so was The Emperor. A planet destroyer does not win wars.
But scares everyone. Who wants to defy a regime which can literally obliterate a planet in one shot? In many occasions, when more powerful is somebody, more crazier you must be to challenge it. An Empire that rules the galaxy that can destroy planets? You must have no life to lose to ever think challenging them.
Got to wonder though when at the end of ROTS we saw skeletal construction of Death Star, was this build while Clone War was raging on; possibly in Separatist space? It's bit ironic that it was in Geonosis that Death Star was designed then brought back for construction till be relocated for finishing touches. Somewhere in multiverse; there's timeline where Death Star was complete but during Clone Wars, making Death Star the ultimate weapon of Separatist.
Pretty sure that was supposed to already imperial Death Star, given that ROTS was supposed to connect with OG trilogy. Putting that aside, if we go with current lore Separatists were in position to get Death Star. Sure they could finish the structure, but laser itself took decades to finish.
Yes. This is also why the galaxy is so militarized under the Galactic Empire: It’s to prepare the Galaxy and it’s people to face a threat that’s unlike anything that the Galaxy has had to face before. But, of course, Disney had to scrap all of that and just make the Empire and Palpatine cartoonishly evil for the sake of just being evil. Because God forbid we give villains proper motivations for their actions…
I was thinking that the buildup of the Death Star I in subsequent lore was too great to have it blown up in the first Star Wars. Perhaps with the knowledge we have now, what if in Episode IV they took a different approach? It wasn’t blown up, but rather only slowed down. And the Death Star I would be a looming threat throughout the Original Trilogy and would end up as Palpy’s final resting place at the very end. (Possibly upgraded over time throughout the movies) That’s just me though, the writers back then did the best they could with the info they had.
For what it is worth I have heard that episode IV was not supposed to have a Death Star at all. The planet killer was to be in episode VI as a grand culmination to the rebellion. They added it in IV because writers thought that A New Hope needed better climax to start the whole trilogy. Andor uses parts of that original script, I think...? At least the last part, where they get the plans and get blown up by the Death Star.
The second death star was completed a lot faster because the empire already knew how to build the first one. The second death star was really just a home for the final order fleet.
Before the Andor post credits my theory had been that the Deatj Star parts and the Narkina 5 prisoners were part of another mind game the Imperial prison system was playing. Just like how no prisoner would ever be released, the parts were never meant to leave the prison, some floors would assemble them, others would disassemble them and the parts would just be sent to other floors to be reassembled in a never ending loop just designed to work the prisoners non stop. As is, I do like the irony of Cassian building parts for the weapon that would eventually kill him
It makes a lot of sense for the Empire to use prison labor to build the thing, though, especially if they're planning on 'liquidating' the prisoners in any case. Adds to the security of the project, both from the sense of compartmentalizing the purpose of the work on the various sub-components, and of course containing & eliminating any leaks. Even if they'd used only 'droids, someone along the line could have accessed the 'droid's memories or systems and perhaps pieced some important bits of information together.. Also, it's a nice thematic touch. Recalls the Nazis in particular, using mostly-Jewish concentration camp labor for their 'terror weapons' among other things. A facility called Peenemunde, for example, was the assembly point for the V-2 rocket, later in the war. Just don't ask too many questions about Werner von Braun's level of participation, and what all went into the expertise that ultimately led to NASA's Saturn V moon launch..
You should read the novel Catalyst: A Rogue One novel. It tells you how the got the Geonosians to build the Death Star and how Galen Erso wife hated the empire
In my headcanon the two Death Stars were built simultaneously. The smaller one from ANH was an operational (and equally deadly) decoy for the even bigger one from RotJ. A sensible strategy for an Emperor who came from Naboo.
can someone explain to me, yes they are constructing this death star for bigger plans far beyond anyone can imagine to only be destroyed after the events of rouge one/a new hope
Well yes simply if dooku figured the weakness he would destroy it like the rebels did in Episode 4 and 6. If he didn't the big ball of death would go to where he lives or where his alliance is and one shot everyone's dead.
The station itself was the _easy_ part, even in spite of its sheer bulk. The superlaser took _twenty years_ to get working properly, thanks to the sheer complexity of the system and Galen Erso dragging his feet on development. Once they had the math sorted out, the Empire had the second one operational in a mere fraction of the time.
I love the first Death Star has all this foreshadowing and buildup for years in canon showing off how much time, funding, and construction it took for it to finally be complete only for the Death Star II to be constructed to be at least operational in about four years.
The main problem of the First Death Star was its superweapon and getting the Kyber powering it to actually work correctly they way they need. That's the main reason it took so long, despite Galen Erso's involvement. Once they got that cracked for the DS-1, all they'd need to do is replicate it for the DS-2. Plus, the station itself wasn't complete in RotJ. The laser was but much of it was still under construction.
There’s also the scene from the bad batch season 1 on the planet of Ryloth where the empire sets up a fortified base on the edges of a doomium mine and is placed under the supervision of Vice Admiral Rampart. The vice admiral then had to use diplomacy and coverups to convince Cham Syndulla, the leader of the Ryloth freedol fighters, that the fortified doomium base was beneficial to the Twi’leks and the galaxy in the sense that the mine would provide jobs for the impoverished and war-stricken Twi’leks and doomium ore as construction material necessary for the rest of the galaxy to rebuild and repair from the destruction of the clone wars. In reality, the doomium ore was actually extracted from Ryloth and across many worlds around the galaxy to be used as the building material used for the Death Star/Project stardust.
What I like about this is that if you never watched Star Wars before and decided to watch everything in chronological order, it gives the audience the certainty that they are building something incredibly powerful
Imagine being a star wars fan watching the prequels when they came out “Hey that’s obi-wan Kenobi” “Hey that’s R2 and treepio” “Hey that’s Boba fett but blue” “hey those guys look like stormtroopers” “Hey that ship looks like an older version of a star destroyer and X-wing” “Hey that’s the deadstar” “hey that’s Luke and Leia as babies” “hey that’s Darth vader”
This whole montage is just Tarkin stepping all over his subordinates who had generally good ideas/innovations that probably would have ended up beating the Rebellion in a favor of a deadly laser point that blows up a week after being fully operational.
Considering what was achieved in return of the Jedi, what sense does it make that the final thing being built is the weapon system. Yeah it makes for a cool shot but wouldnt it make practical sense for the weapon system to be completed and tested before the majority of the superstructure and sub systems are finished.
My theory is that both Death Star one and death star two were being constructed at the same time. It would make sense considering how long the first one was being built as seen here.
Missed a vital scene in Revenge of the sith when Anakin walks in palpatines office he's looking at the plans should have included that as he was overseeing it
If you do a future version, the Andor scene would be set before any Rebels scenes (5BBY for Andor vs the 4BBY & 3BBY settings of the REB episodes), if your intention is to have them in chronological order. Though not canon, you may also want to consider the Geonosis segment from Star Tours (though i guess you'd only find blurry copies due to the 3D projection), which features a partially-constructed Death Star in orbit of Geonosis. One assumes that would be set before both the Andor and REB episodes, as it is more complete-looking in Andor and has already been moved by time of REB.
The andor scene is probably set a while after the main show, the death star looks nearly complete, and it's not orbiting geonosis, meaning it's late in development and has hyperdrive capabilities. Based on the appearance I'd say that scene is maybe a few months or a year before rogue one, where we see the dish finally be fully installed
long time to build of course and try to make this as secret as possible. When the Deathstar was being built, looks like most of the parts were near Genosia but after while, they moved the parts right away and try to wipe out all Genosians, much like Kamino after moving the cloning tech to a different planet. In others, keeping their secrets to the grave. After the first Deathstar was destroyed, they of course tried to build a bigger one. They must have been made a copy of the plans and try to make some improvements. Of course that failed again and when the Empire became the First Order, instead of rebuilding one, third one was Starkiller base and they were already saving time but emptying planet Ilum in Jedi Fallen Order, probably for the Kyber crystals for the first and second Death Star.
One thing I don't get is that this station took a bunch of years to build and yet nobody came across it during construction? Where was it being built that something so massive somehow eluded everyone's sight?
No, it could be built away from any major system; space is absolutely vast. No one is just going to stumble across it as long as it was kept far from the hyperspace lanes. The real problem would have been concealing the communications to/from the facility, as well as the ships carrying supplies and personnel. You can bet the Rebels has listening posts for just such an occurrence! Any sane and competent Rebel commander would investigate a sudden movement of Imperial ships, or the communications to/from those ships, even if encrypted.
It’s implied that the second one was started before the first was finished. Palpatine didn’t want any one person to have enough control to know about both of them, so secrecy was paramount on top of the changes being made to the design. The second one would’ve likely had the same weakness as the first, however since it was discovered before completion, targeting the exhaust port wasn’t necessary.
The big delay was the superlaser. While the Death Star itself is enormous, the Empire is quite experienced at massive construction and could get the hull built in just a few years. Once they knew what they were doing with the superlaser, it all became a lot simpler.
@@Spudtron98 yet simultaneously Disney expects us to believe that Palpatine had already built a fleet of smaller ships that had 100x the destructive power of the first Death Star. But he still had the second one built anyway.
Okay but why does Rebels specifically do that thing some CGI animation does sometimes where every single time a character talks they bob their head and shoulders like no actual person ever does?
I'm confused by the canon Tarkin doctrine, ruling by Fear of a superweapon, yet they still built it anyways? It's like saying no one will challenge a nuke, but we'll still build it anyways.
Say there is a group of 50 pirates instead of sending a 10 or 20 troopers to take them you send 2000 troopers or they just do a Base Delta Zero on the planet showing other worlds making any sort of rebellion a very costly mistake
The fact the geonosians were killed by the empire is that they new it was a geonosians weapon for the separatist alliance but the empire was that pure of evil they continued the construction of the death star Empire: we shall end the separatist hold outs CIS: we made a death star Empire: we will continue the construction, you did good work, we dont need you anymore Empire: *kills the geonosians*
The death star was originally posed by palpatine as a superweapon being made by the Separatists, for the separatists. When the clone war ended he put tarkin in control.
@@Czarbucks6146 to be fair, a toothpick traveling at the speed of light would destroy earth, seeing as the hyper drive was faster than the speed of light, a simple Xwing would have blown the Death Star to bits.
You'd have to 1) Know about it in the first place. 2) Find a ship big enough to do damage beyond the surface (most of the superlaser stuff is in the core, not the habitable levels/armored surface- and the distance of damage we saw in The Last Jedi from a large Mon Cal Cruiser would not go deep enough) that you'd be willing to sacrifice. 3) Get it close enough to the station (without being destroyed/disabled/run off-course by defense ships & surface weapons) for the lightspeed jump to still collide with a realspace object (too far away you enter hyperspace and miss, too close and you aren't going fast enough/are affected by the gravity well and crash without doing much damage). and 4) Hope that there isn't a protective shield around it preventing you from reaching jump-range to begin with.
Twenty years, tonnes and tonnes of resources and trillions of credits and it got blown up less than a week after becoming fully operational.
Would've been unstoppable if they managed to find that one weakness the architect hid in the plans. Also Would've been stopped beforehand if Saw learned not to butt in where he shouldn't be
Got blownup by bunch of f*#@ing teenagers.
Slash the rebel alliance. Hence Luke Skywalker.
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Second one didn’t even reach fully operational lmao!
Every imperials: Ok, it blown up ! So how can we make sure this never happened again ?
Emperor: let's make another one but this time, make a BIG BIG BIG hole inside the second one
@@FlecheNoire07 Tagge: "Imagine all the Super Star Destroyers we could have had if we hadn't put so much time and effort into Tarkin's folly."
Tarkin jumps at the opportunity to divert funding to the Death Star and then years later complains to Thrawn how it is "nothing but expenses and excuses for years on end." Tarkin really was the embodiment of a corporate VP that scapegoated his subordinates for his failures.
People will say it's a plot hole but no it's really the most realistic thing ever for a large bureaucracy and a high level manager who never takes any responsibility for his actions
Sounds about right
Maybe that was after years of pouring money into it and not seeing the progress he wanted to see.
@@marcw6875 Bad batch scene is only around 2 years after the end of the clone wars that's nearly 17 years stuck in construction. Rebels scene is 1- 2 years before A new hope so Tarkin would tired of the delays by then
@@MMarkTheSharkH I'm afraid we'll have to disagree
There's also the scene of the dish being put into place in Rogue One
What minute ?
Just found it sad i didnt know about this☹️
The cherry on top.
@@XenoRaptor-98765and then that cherry gets popped by a farm boy 😏
Which is dumb since the super laser is already intact at the end of ROTS.
It took 20 years to build, lots of funding, engineering, architecture, physics, and man power.
Gone almost immediately.
And Tarkin also dies within the Death Star, though it would be nice to see his face once the Death Star is destroyed.
blown by just a mere farm boy
Tarkin in Bad batch:
Shutter this facilty and redistribute the resources to project stardust!!
I want my death star!!!!
Tarkin in Rebels: Your fundings are now mine- I mean, for Krennic, Thrawn c:
@@MsAmber82 To be fair, Bad Batch takes place in the first 2ish years after the Clone Wars, and we saw in ROTS that the frame of the Death Star had been complete. Rebels on the other hand is only a couple years away from ANH, meaning a bit over a decade has passed. That's enough time to get less enthusiastic about a project, especially if it's seemingly being constantly delayed and over its already astounding budget while the problem it was ostensibly meant to solve keeps getting worse and worse with each passing day. The TIE Defender project was expensive in it's own right, but it was ready for at least limited production, and ideally had it been approved, there would have been more factories set up to produce the Defender in the numbers needed by a galactic military. Tarkin's main priority in Rebels was trying to keep the small pockets of resistance from joining together, and supporting the Defender project's ability to be operational in the short-term makes sense over hoping that the Death Star won't be hit with another massive delay.
@@patrickwilkinson7351 Just like the grand vizier said to Krennic in rogue one prequel novel”if you can not figuring out the main weapon,all we do here is wasting money on the universe most expensive space station”
It was kind of weird that he announced it to the entire base at the end of Bad Batch. Why didn’t he just say it to the chick behind closed doors. Everyone and their mom knows what project stardust is.
Tarkin: I don't care if u win I need Hemlock to lose
I love how when the Death Star is finishing its completion; it almost looks like a light saber being constructed.
Considering it is powered by kyber crystals, it pretty much is one
@@vegitoblue2187 Well yea; I just thought it was a really well done shot.
@@vegitoblue2187AAAA THE SYMBOLISM
The galaxy's most expensive lego set.
Emperor was so excited that he built another one in record time.
Nah it’s probably the millennium falcon at this inflation rate 😂😂😂
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@@raetekusu1
Once the bugs and design problems had been resolved (except for that pesky "thermal exhaust port" issue), throwing together a new one to barely functioning weapon status in three years - albeit bigger and with a more quickly regenerating main superlaser - was certainly possible.
The mystery and aura that surrounds the construction of the Death Star is too powerful, each content they release about the Death Star gives more value to the Battle of Yavin
Actually no.
this is just memberberries they use to overshadow the fact, that their new shows don't hold up on their own and they need to dangle the keychain in front of your face, so you can see 'uh i know that from the one good movie they made 47 years ago!'
Bro
Not even Andor? Unless I misunderstood and you meant that SW content is too Empire era-obsessed
Andor had the best nod to the construction of the Death Star.
When I was wondering what the prisoners were building and then saw what it is used for, it absolutely blew my mind.
Same when that was revealed I was like No....noooo....HOLY SHIITTT
"We have spent years building the ultimate superweapon! Time to conquer the galaxy!"
One blonde kid: "Nah."
Don't know if it counts as "construction" of the Death Star but there are also a couple of episodes of Rebels that deal with hunting down kyber crystals that are being used in the Death Star's firing mechanism. Season 1's episode 'Breaking Ranks' has Ezra going undercover as an Imperial cadet to uncover the location of the first, with Kanan and Kera later taking out the transporter carrying it. Then the season 4 episode 'In The Name of the Rebellion, part 2' has Ezra, Sabine and Saw Gerrera discovering a huge, unstable kyber crystal in the hold of one of a container transport. An escaping Imperial trooper contacts his superior, asking him to inform Director Krennic immediately. In both cases, the crystals are destroyed with a catastrophic explosion, demonstrating their power and also slowing down the construction process.
Love the reference to the TIE Defender, having played that game for way too many hours in my misspent youth.
I always like how the prequel and other Star Wars movies or series added the Death Star construction foreshadowing the original trilogy / Episode 4 A New Hope
3:24 I like this one. But there was a concept art where the Death Star was being constructed from inside a planet. That was also epic.
That was the Rouge one concept art. Scarif would've been the construction site. Otherwise why have construction walkers on a Telecommunications / data archive base?
As cool as that concept art looks, it would’ve made no sense and contradicted canon. The Death Star construction site moved twice depending on what was being built. The early frame was constructed around Geonosis, the majority of the exterior panels and interior layout were constructed at The Maw Installation, and the super laser was constructed over Scarif. Moving a space station that large INSIDE of a planet just to build the super laser just doesn’t make sense.
In the EU book “Death Star”, the construction takes place above the planet of Despayre, rather than above Geonosis/Scarif.
Staying in the EU canon:
Although Maw Installation is where the research & design were done, only the prototype was built there and at a smaller scale compared to the production models.
Lastly, The Hutts built their DarkSaber in orbit over Nal Hutta.
Disney Canon has changed some of these data-points.
Starkiller Base?
It is interesting to hear that the death Star Is calld Project Stardust in English, in German it is calld Projekt kleiner Stern ( Project little Star).
saw: *starts talking*
Me: Shut up!
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This doesn’t explain alot
@@henrydanger8485 He’s talking about Saw Gerrera’s yapping and ignorance
@@vapor_jem I mean this video in general and I understand what he said it was so funny
@@henrydanger8485 saw is an asshole
what about the scene of chancellor palp looking at it in his office
And what about the Droid attack on the Wookies?
@@BrickOsBudProductions 💀💀💀
What minute and movie is this ?
@@mac9132-i6z Revenge of the Sith, when Anakin enters Palpatine's office he's looking at deathstar plans for few seconds
It’s right when he reveals himself as the Sith Lord to Anakin in revenge of the Sith. Anakin walks in to inform him that Kenobi has engaged with General Grevious
One ACME Death Star. Some assembly required.
better ACME Death Star than an IKEA Döds Stjärna - There's always a few pieces left over when you build one of them.
This was the dumbest idea ever. The empire would have won the war had they invested in the TIE defender. And project Necromancer wouldn't even have been needed complete in a long time. Tarkin was a fool, and so was The Emperor. A planet destroyer does not win wars.
But scares everyone. Who wants to defy a regime which can literally obliterate a planet in one shot?
In many occasions, when more powerful is somebody, more crazier you must be to challenge it.
An Empire that rules the galaxy that can destroy planets? You must have no life to lose to ever think challenging them.
True, standardizing the use Tie defenders in the Imperial Navy would have been extremely effective at countering the Rebels' use of Starfighters.
And then they followed it up by building an even bigger one 💀
The issues of writing a dozen cartoons and comics that retcon all sorts of dumb shit in that the movies never intended
That is why Vader hate the Death Star for a reasons and wanted to go along with Thrawn projects Tie Defender.
Finally a video of death star construction 🙏
The bug was being specific saw is to dumb to realize
Sry for forgetting a few scenes, and getting the timeline wrong once, hope you enyojed😊
Got to wonder though when at the end of ROTS we saw skeletal construction of Death Star, was this build while Clone War was raging on; possibly in Separatist space?
It's bit ironic that it was in Geonosis that Death Star was designed then brought back for construction till be relocated for finishing touches.
Somewhere in multiverse; there's timeline where Death Star was complete but during Clone Wars, making Death Star the ultimate weapon of Separatist.
Pretty sure that was supposed to already imperial Death Star, given that ROTS was supposed to connect with OG trilogy.
Putting that aside, if we go with current lore Separatists were in position to get Death Star. Sure they could finish the structure, but laser itself took decades to finish.
I would put Tarkins (Bad Batch) scene before Episode´s 3 Death Star but really thank you for this
is that before in the timeline was not sure when making it ?
@@mac9132-i6z Well I mean its very close together in the Timeline and I get why its confusing
@@P4Tri0t420the third season of The Bad Batch takes place 1 year after the creation of the Empire in Revenge of the Sith
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I always find it funny that in current canon Thrawn created the TIE Defender while originally he created a fighter to counter it...
Wasn’t there a reference on one of the Yuuzong Vong books that the Emperor was actually building the Death Star for extra-galactic (external) threats?
That’s what they were used for in a what-if scenario where Anakin became Emperor
Galaxy gun, massive SDs, it all makes sense #PalpatineDidNothingWrong
Yes. This is also why the galaxy is so militarized under the Galactic Empire: It’s to prepare the Galaxy and it’s people to face a threat that’s unlike anything that the Galaxy has had to face before.
But, of course, Disney had to scrap all of that and just make the Empire and Palpatine cartoonishly evil for the sake of just being evil. Because God forbid we give villains proper motivations for their actions…
I was thinking that the buildup of the Death Star I in subsequent lore was too great to have it blown up in the first Star Wars.
Perhaps with the knowledge we have now, what if in Episode IV they took a different approach? It wasn’t blown up, but rather only slowed down.
And the Death Star I would be a looming threat throughout the Original Trilogy and would end up as Palpy’s final resting place at the very end. (Possibly upgraded over time throughout the movies)
That’s just me though, the writers back then did the best they could with the info they had.
For what it is worth I have heard that episode IV was not supposed to have a Death Star at all. The planet killer was to be in episode VI as a grand culmination to the rebellion.
They added it in IV because writers thought that A New Hope needed better climax to start the whole trilogy. Andor uses parts of that original script, I think...? At least the last part, where they get the plans and get blown up by the Death Star.
I’m wondering why there’s been no mention of the 2nd Death Star before it’s appearance in episode 6. It must’ve taken more than 4 years to build.
The second death star was completed a lot faster because the empire already knew how to build the first one. The second death star was really just a home for the final order fleet.
Before the Andor post credits my theory had been that the Deatj Star parts and the Narkina 5 prisoners were part of another mind game the Imperial prison system was playing. Just like how no prisoner would ever be released, the parts were never meant to leave the prison, some floors would assemble them, others would disassemble them and the parts would just be sent to other floors to be reassembled in a never ending loop just designed to work the prisoners non stop.
As is, I do like the irony of Cassian building parts for the weapon that would eventually kill him
It makes a lot of sense for the Empire to use prison labor to build the thing, though, especially if they're planning on 'liquidating' the prisoners in any case. Adds to the security of the project, both from the sense of compartmentalizing the purpose of the work on the various sub-components, and of course containing & eliminating any leaks. Even if they'd used only 'droids, someone along the line could have accessed the 'droid's memories or systems and perhaps pieced some important bits of information together..
Also, it's a nice thematic touch. Recalls the Nazis in particular, using mostly-Jewish concentration camp labor for their 'terror weapons' among other things. A facility called Peenemunde, for example, was the assembly point for the V-2 rocket, later in the war. Just don't ask too many questions about Werner von Braun's level of participation, and what all went into the expertise that ultimately led to NASA's Saturn V moon launch..
The shot from Andor always gives me chills
This is so mind-blowing...
And planet blowing
You should read the novel Catalyst: A Rogue One novel. It tells you how the got the Geonosians to build the Death Star and how Galen Erso wife hated the empire
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In my headcanon the two Death Stars were built simultaneously. The smaller one from ANH was an operational (and equally deadly) decoy for the even bigger one from RotJ. A sensible strategy for an Emperor who came from Naboo.
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So the Geonotions the bug race made the plans for the death star. or did I read that wrong
No you read it right they made the original construction plans for the Death Star
can someone explain to me, yes they are constructing this death star for bigger plans far beyond anyone can imagine to only be destroyed after the events of rouge one/a new hope
Hypothetically, can Dooku go against Sidious if he finished the deathstar?
Well yes simply if dooku figured the weakness he would destroy it like the rebels did in Episode 4 and 6. If he didn't the big ball of death would go to where he lives or where his alliance is and one shot everyone's dead.
The main problem about Death Star isn’t building it,but know how the hell the superlaser work and build it in secrecy
0:42 Anakin?!
This is what happens when you put all your laser-firing eggs in one basket.
The station itself was the _easy_ part, even in spite of its sheer bulk. The superlaser took _twenty years_ to get working properly, thanks to the sheer complexity of the system and Galen Erso dragging his feet on development. Once they had the math sorted out, the Empire had the second one operational in a mere fraction of the time.
I love the first Death Star has all this foreshadowing and buildup for years in canon showing off how much time, funding, and construction it took for it to finally be complete only for the Death Star II to be constructed to be at least operational in about four years.
The main problem of the First Death Star was its superweapon and getting the Kyber powering it to actually work correctly they way they need. That's the main reason it took so long, despite Galen Erso's involvement.
Once they got that cracked for the DS-1, all they'd need to do is replicate it for the DS-2.
Plus, the station itself wasn't complete in RotJ. The laser was but much of it was still under construction.
There’s also the scene from the bad batch season 1 on the planet of Ryloth where the empire sets up a fortified base on the edges of a doomium mine and is placed under the supervision of Vice Admiral Rampart. The vice admiral then had to use diplomacy and coverups to convince Cham Syndulla, the leader of the Ryloth freedol fighters, that the fortified doomium base was beneficial to the Twi’leks and the galaxy in the sense that the mine would provide jobs for the impoverished and war-stricken Twi’leks and doomium ore as construction material necessary for the rest of the galaxy to rebuild and repair from the destruction of the clone wars.
In reality, the doomium ore was actually extracted from Ryloth and across many worlds around the galaxy to be used as the building material used for the Death Star/Project stardust.
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They definitely speeded up time it took to build them ,20 years for the first ,6 for the second
very nicely put
What I like about this is that if you never watched Star Wars before and decided to watch everything in chronological order, it gives the audience the certainty that they are building something incredibly powerful
Good thing they didn’t build those TIE Defenders that Thrawn never got resources and funding for….
Imagine being a star wars fan watching the prequels when they came out “Hey that’s obi-wan Kenobi” “Hey that’s R2 and treepio” “Hey that’s Boba fett but blue” “hey those guys look like stormtroopers” “Hey that ship looks like an older version of a star destroyer and X-wing” “Hey that’s the deadstar” “hey that’s Luke and Leia as babies” “hey that’s Darth vader”
This whole montage is just Tarkin stepping all over his subordinates who had generally good ideas/innovations that probably would have ended up beating the Rebellion in a favor of a deadly laser point that blows up a week after being fully operational.
you forgot the scene where palpatine watching death star project briefly then meet anakin, in episode 3
There also a scene in The Force Unleashed One!
Considering what was achieved in return of the Jedi, what sense does it make that the final thing being built is the weapon system. Yeah it makes for a cool shot but wouldnt it make practical sense for the weapon system to be completed and tested before the majority of the superstructure and sub systems are finished.
From the Star Trek series there was an called the "Doomsday Machine". I wonder how the Death Star would fair against that weapon?
I don’t understand why Galen Erso was visited by the empire to build the Death Star but the start of Bildung it was years before.
My theory is that both Death Star one and death star two were being constructed at the same time. It would make sense considering how long the first one was being built as seen here.
Missed a vital scene in Revenge of the sith when Anakin walks in palpatines office he's looking at the plans should have included that as he was overseeing it
This is should been for the tales of the empire
If you do a future version, the Andor scene would be set before any Rebels scenes (5BBY for Andor vs the 4BBY & 3BBY settings of the REB episodes), if your intention is to have them in chronological order.
Though not canon, you may also want to consider the Geonosis segment from Star Tours (though i guess you'd only find blurry copies due to the 3D projection), which features a partially-constructed Death Star in orbit of Geonosis. One assumes that would be set before both the Andor and REB episodes, as it is more complete-looking in Andor and has already been moved by time of REB.
The andor scene is probably set a while after the main show, the death star looks nearly complete, and it's not orbiting geonosis, meaning it's late in development and has hyperdrive capabilities.
Based on the appearance I'd say that scene is maybe a few months or a year before rogue one, where we see the dish finally be fully installed
Alderaan been real quiet since this dropped
The first DS took 20 years not from it taking that long to build but alot of senate ducking and diving was needed
Lord Vader and emperor is watching the Death Star building up 0:26
long time to build of course and try to make this as secret as possible. When the Deathstar was being built, looks like most of the parts were near Genosia but after while, they moved the parts right away and try to wipe out all Genosians, much like Kamino after moving the cloning tech to a different planet. In others, keeping their secrets to the grave. After the first Deathstar was destroyed, they of course tried to build a bigger one. They must have been made a copy of the plans and try to make some improvements. Of course that failed again and when the Empire became the First Order, instead of rebuilding one, third one was Starkiller base and they were already saving time but emptying planet Ilum in Jedi Fallen Order, probably for the Kyber crystals for the first and second Death Star.
I just noticed the inconsistency of the Galactic Empire building everything else before even beginning the weapon...
One thing I don't get is that this station took a bunch of years to build and yet nobody came across it during construction? Where was it being built that something so massive somehow eluded everyone's sight?
No, it could be built away from any major system; space is absolutely vast. No one is just going to stumble across it as long as it was kept far from the hyperspace lanes. The real problem would have been concealing the communications to/from the facility, as well as the ships carrying supplies and personnel. You can bet the Rebels has listening posts for just such an occurrence! Any sane and competent Rebel commander would investigate a sudden movement of Imperial ships, or the communications to/from those ships, even if encrypted.
1:40 most robotic dialogue I have ever heard
"Somehow, the Death Star's returned"
Forgot the unfinished clone wars arc
Remember the first big ball? It’s back!
0:33 The Death Star under construction
It took decades to design and build the Death Star and the did it again in like 5 years or something (idk the timeline)
It’s implied that the second one was started before the first was finished. Palpatine didn’t want any one person to have enough control to know about both of them, so secrecy was paramount on top of the changes being made to the design. The second one would’ve likely had the same weakness as the first, however since it was discovered before completion, targeting the exhaust port wasn’t necessary.
The big delay was the superlaser. While the Death Star itself is enormous, the Empire is quite experienced at massive construction and could get the hull built in just a few years. Once they knew what they were doing with the superlaser, it all became a lot simpler.
@@Spudtron98 yet simultaneously Disney expects us to believe that Palpatine had already built a fleet of smaller ships that had 100x the destructive power of the first Death Star. But he still had the second one built anyway.
@@cobaltprime9467 It would have made more sense if those ships had to work together to combine their beams for maximum firepower.
@@Spudtron98 even then why build a second Death Star? He has a better weapon that’s actually a secret.
You forgot the giant kiber crystal episode from Rebels
Geonosian knew the existance of the Death Star but no one understood him
Why don't you just take him for questioning then bring him back later?
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Okay but why does Rebels specifically do that thing some CGI animation does sometimes where every single time a character talks they bob their head and shoulders like no actual person ever does?
Isn't Vader don't like such weapon in Rogue One? Why he seem ok with it afterwards?
No Rogue One with the laser being moved into position? That would be the final step.
What were the separatist thinking about making a monsters planet killer in the first place?!
what i find weird what star wars they dont use telescope like what we have on earth
Where was Rouge one because that was what ended the Death Star project
At least it won’t be as bad if the Death Star were to be crewed by droids!
What about the rogue one scene?
Bro i forgot about it, when making it sry
I'm confused by the canon Tarkin doctrine, ruling by Fear of a superweapon, yet they still built it anyways?
It's like saying no one will challenge a nuke, but we'll still build it anyways.
Say there is a group of 50 pirates instead of sending a 10 or 20 troopers to take them you send 2000 troopers or they just do a Base Delta Zero on the planet showing other worlds making any sort of rebellion a very costly mistake
The fact the geonosians were killed by the empire is that they new it was a geonosians weapon for the separatist alliance but the empire was that pure of evil they continued the construction of the death star
Empire: we shall end the separatist hold outs
CIS: we made a death star
Empire: we will continue the construction, you did good work, we dont need you anymore
Empire: *kills the geonosians*
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You forgot one. Rogue one's construction scene
Wait the Death Star was tarkin’s idea? So tarkin has been working on the Death Star during the republic? Did he know palpatine openly?.
The death star was originally posed by palpatine as a superweapon being made by the Separatists, for the separatists. When the clone war ended he put tarkin in control.
In the next series, we'll learn the origin of that creature in trash compactor. Probably. :p
Planet Alderanen killer
The Death Star is the one secret in Star Wars before the chapter 4.
what show was the last scene from?
Andor post credit
Tons of resources and the death star only blows up ONE planet. (Scarif and Jedha don't count.)
No one ever thought of using one ship capable of hyperdrive to ram that using the Holdo maneuver?
@@Czarbucks6146 to be fair, a toothpick traveling at the speed of light would destroy earth, seeing as the hyper drive was faster than the speed of light, a simple Xwing would have blown the Death Star to bits.
You'd have to
1) Know about it in the first place.
2) Find a ship big enough to do damage beyond the surface (most of the superlaser stuff is in the core, not the habitable levels/armored surface- and the distance of damage we saw in The Last Jedi from a large Mon Cal Cruiser would not go deep enough) that you'd be willing to sacrifice.
3) Get it close enough to the station (without being destroyed/disabled/run off-course by defense ships & surface weapons) for the lightspeed jump to still collide with a realspace object (too far away you enter hyperspace and miss, too close and you aren't going fast enough/are affected by the gravity well and crash without doing much damage).
and 4) Hope that there isn't a protective shield around it preventing you from reaching jump-range to begin with.
Rogue One?
Is this Despair?
why the hell do rebels characters move their head so much
What episode is the Andor scene
Final Episode