In the memories they went through while he was "Light Anakin," Ahsoka refused to understand what he was trying to teach her. He offered her one final lesson of living to the fullest or dying to the state of just surviving, engaged her in a friendly duel to rekindle her past life, and showed her memories of before the Dark Times, but she wasn't understanding the point. When he realized it wasn't working and she pinned him out as entirely evil because of Vader's crusade, he took a more direct approach and released Vader just enough that she finally understood the message, which is why the dark side left so quickly in him.
@@paulrasmussen8953 To me, he showed her that no one shall ever be only on one side. You switch form one to another and that's what she should do. Use the two sides. All that matters is what you make of them. The dark side can be used for good while the light side can bring endless suffering...
@Gyratus yup. Note Technically Luke used the dark sode to beat vader. But unlike his father he didn't lose control. He regained it. Thay is the key control not supress
It feels like they just threw it in at the last minute because nostalgia. He doesn’t use it in a way that has any relevance to the fight like he did in episode 3
I mean…yeah duh lol Hayden’s been handling a lightsaber since 2002 Hardly a fair comparison Also it’s clear he’s not actually trying to kill her, it’s just a friendly dual
@liuoverkill6236 I think he's talking about Anakin using Vaders techniques and emotions while still looking like Anakin. I think he either missed the point of the flash of Vader is showing Ahsoka who is now fighting her through Anakin, or just poorly worded
Am I the only one who really understands Anakin is holding back in this episode. He doesn't strike at her she strikes at him but he only strikes at her weapon. Imagine this version of Anakin on the battlefield not striking at weapons. But striking at the person. That thought gives me chills
Exactly the way a great teacher does. Attack the weapon to ensure proper handling and testing defensive strength. Then when she is not learning what is intended, go harder and more intense and show her real faults and help her overcome them. Even if it's bringing them physically to manageable danger (like putting someone in the line of danger, but secretly having complete control of the situation so they actually won't get hurt, but they don't know that)
Then that’s Rosario Dawsons problem not being able to keep up with Hayden. Ahsoka was able to keep up with grievous and maul. No reason she wouldn’t be able to keep up with Anakin
@@Gat-Man55 At her peak Ahsoka was a highly skilled Padawan (probably would have passed her Jedi trials and become a Knight if she had taken them) but she was never on the same level as Anakin or any of the top tier Jedi Masters. I would say Dawson's performance would be about what you would expect from an Ahsoka who is far from peak form, and who is also older than at any other point in which we've seen the character. Ahsoka would have been 47 at that point. For reference, Kenobi was 38 during Revenge of the Sith and Anakin was 22.
This anakin is literally better than rots anakin or knightfall vader in every possible way. He was just holding back a ton because 1. The actress wasn’t nearly as skilled as hayden or ewan 2. He was teaching her her final lesson. Wasn’t trying to kill her even though he implied it.
1:37: Dato curioso, el sable que Anakin usa en esta escena, es el que uso en su tiempo como Darth Vader, el cual, tras su muerte, fue encontrado y atesorado por otros siths, hasta que finalmente optaron por destruirlo en una ceremonia sith para que el sable se reuna con su dueño original (Osea Vader), es asi cono este sable seria usado nuevamente en esta escena. 1:50: Incorrect.
Ahsoka, te has vuelto más fuerte y más sabia de lo que yo nunca imagine y me siento muy orgulloso de ti. Ahora vuelve con tus amigos y nunca dejes de creer en ellos ni en ti misma. Y recuerda que siempre estaré contigo.
@@redheadnerd96which is another reason why I love this episode. It's not only referring to the rebels era where she says I won't leave you. It also mirrors Luke's saying that I won't leave you in return of the Jedi
@@rodrigobarba930 maybe during the first part of the fight, but it became very clear when he started using both hands on his saber, full-on sith eyes, telling her that she’s going to die, and straining on his face, makes it very believable that he was going for the kill and there was no longer holding back
@rodrigobarba930 he is a mortis god now.. he limited his power back to order 66 knight fall vader where as a young ahsoka would be defeated in minutes but a jedi master ahsoka would best him. just like a jedi master obi wan defeated him on mustafar. a padawan obi wan or knight obiwan would of been beat by knight fall vader. ....attachemnt and experience defeats anakin no matter the prime. My personal opinion.
@@Blizzardholocron He seems to be fighting on equal footing with her giving her a chance to defeat him and prove himself. Fighting lessons ain’t so much the master trying to kill the apprentice, but rather the master trying to teach the apprentice. The second part is most likely Anakin using her worries and hears against her in order to for her to face her fears about going down the path of the dark side like Anakin and overcome it. Notice how Anakin only uses the dark side as an idea after Asoka tells him about her fears about turning to the dark side like Anakin. He’s trying everything he can’t to make sure she chooses to live because he obviously doesn’t want to have to kill her even when using the darkside (which shows his control over it). So I still do believe it was a final lesson expressly considering Anakin made it very clear from the start that teaching Asoka a lesson to live and not die was the whole reason why he was here in the first place, if he was really trying to kill her it would take away the whole point of his lesson. This is supported by the fact that Anakin stopped twice, the first time after using the light side when he thought Asoka chose to live. And the second time after using the darkside when she herself finally stated that she wanted to live. Sure Anakin fighting Style has changed to the lesson and the main motive hasn’t. Keep in mind this version of Anakin (if this isn’t actually is anakin) seems to have mastered both the light and the dark using the darkside and the light side at will. Mastering the darkside to the point where it dosnt consume him causing him to kill Ashoka like it he did to Padme when the darkside got the better of him. Sure his eyes do turn red from time to time and he does use both hands from time to time but I don’t think the dark side features mean much here as his mastery over the dark side would still allow him not to let it get the best of him and kill Asoka and I can’t help to feel that his face expression looks more like disappointed then hatred. The point is, using the darkside would have been a better way to convince Asoka to live and knew this which is why he did it. He does tell her that she’s gonna die he only said this after he tried giving her the choice her to live and she made it seem like she didn’t want to live so Anakin was fulfilling her wish.
@@inkyplays1858 after she didn’t make her choice, I think he made it pretty clear that he wanted the smoke and borrowed Godzilla’s nick name, “The smoke seeker” because he very clearly wanted her to die. definitely for most of the fight he was holding back but at the end he just had no mercy unless if she made her decision right there.
Disney seems to have butchered most of Star Wars aside from these short individual characters arcs. Ashoka, Obi-Wan and the Mandalorian were really good, I gotta admit.
You guys think that had Ahsoka gotten hit by Anakin with the Saber or made the wrong choice at the end with Vaders Saber to his own throat, would Anakin have simply failed her and made her try again, or would that have resulted in her life fully ending?
Most of his kill count are in the books and novels. And he wasn't serious in this fight, he's teaching her. This is a redeemed Anakin, he would never seriously kill Ahsoka.
@@-darkstriker1883indeed by the time he became one with the force and became a force ghost with help from his former master all his natural limbs and his “lightsaber” haha where all restored
Because that’s how she last saw him and when he became one with the force and a force ghost with obi wan showing him the way all his natural limbs and bits where all restored
One could also ask - why does a force ghost have a scar? and yet he still has that on his face as well. I am in agreement - it's how Ahsoka remembers Anakin
Glad Hayden came back around. Ok so u are typecast. If I'm him I'd say "so the fuck what? I'm fucking DARTH VADER." So what if that's the only role u play?! U have a steady job, lots of parts in stories, a strong fan base that LOVES for him to be Vader, get to do lots of cons and everyone is there to see u. Nobody embraces the typecasting. Everything he wants out of his career can be found right here in this one role to play. Once he's dead and gone there is no recasting and we've got PLENTY of story to be told still. He'd never run out of work and just get better and better with Vader. If I'm him, this is the only role I ever play.
I've re-watched this scene so many times, but I still don't understand what the lesson was. I've heard so many different explanations on what it is, and some people have told me that it's up to interpretation. I find that to be kind of lazy on the writers' end by making a cool spectacle and then leaving it up to the fans to write this super big character moment for them. I'm glad that Hayden Christiansan got to be Anakin again and have a cool duel. I just wish it had a purpose aside from just looking cool. But that's just me. If you like it and found an inspiring lesson out of it, 1: Good for you, and 2: Share it with me. Tell me what you got out of it!
This is what I got: Anakin was concerned Ahsoka holds back in her fights because she is afraid of becoming like Vader. It's important to hear what is not being said as well. Live or die sounds straightforward enough, but Anakin is not actually making an attempt to hurt her here. What he isn't saying is that he himself chose death. Not death of the body, but death of the spirit. The three phases of the battle showcase this death...he starts off as the Anakin as Ashoka knew him before his fall. The line "you look the same" refers to this. Then in the second scene, Anakin reminds her of her fear when fighting Vader the first time. This represented Anakins severing of his connections to "life." Last scene portrayed Anakin in his "death" as Vaders shadow casts on the background. Vader said many times Anakin was dead. Life or death. Not truly about just bodily living or dying, but of the spirit. Anakin was showing her that the spirit living or dieing was a choice she makes. Anakin let his spirit die and it spawned Vader. "Killing" him in rage at the end would be choosing to die. It mirrors he and Luke in ROtJ. He is saying that if she chooses life, she doesn't have to be afraid of becoming like Vader.
@@nathanhubbard5364 Indeed. It's also important to point out that not only was Ahsoka afraid of becoming evil, but she was also terrified that she was leading Sabine down the path to becoming another Darth Vader. Because, let's face it, Sabine is *almost exactly* like Anakin. Up to and including selfishly choosing one man over the fate of the galaxy because she's deathly afraid to lose him. The relationship between Sabine and Ezra in this story is supposed to parallel the one between Anakin and Padme.
@heavy5013 exactly. There are several moments where he has a clear shot on Ahsoka, but that's not the point of what he's doing. He needed her on the brink of death (or so she thinks) so she could find the will to live. So when he has her where she thinks she is literally about to die, she finds the strength to disarm Vader and revive. Had this been a full-effort Anakin fight, it would have ended as quickly as it started
Agree to disagree. She looks and sounds pretty close to the animated counterpart, has the mannerisms down, and did pretty decent. She just wasn't as good at saber stuff as Hayden. For how Ashoka was written during this point in her life, I think she did well enough.
In the memories they went through while he was "Light Anakin," Ahsoka refused to understand what he was trying to teach her. He offered her one final lesson of living to the fullest or dying to the state of just surviving, engaged her in a friendly duel to rekindle her past life, and showed her memories of before the Dark Times, but she wasn't understanding the point. When he realized it wasn't working and she pinned him out as entirely evil because of Vader's crusade, he took a more direct approach and released Vader just enough that she finally understood the message, which is why the dark side left so quickly in him.
Being bringer of balance i say he can easily switch between forms. I think even his fighting style changes
@@paulrasmussen8953 To me, he showed her that no one shall ever be only on one side. You switch form one to another and that's what she should do. Use the two sides. All that matters is what you make of them. The dark side can be used for good while the light side can bring endless suffering...
@Gyratus yup. Note Technically Luke used the dark sode to beat vader. But unlike his father he didn't lose control. He regained it. Thay is the key control not supress
Wow great analysis! Very true! Like snapped out of it, looked at his own robotic hand and refused to kill
@@paulrasmussen8953 Jordan Peterson: "Learn to be monsters, then learn how to control it".
It was so kickass to see Hayden do his signature move again
It feels like they just threw it in at the last minute because nostalgia. He doesn’t use it in a way that has any relevance to the fight like he did in episode 3
Hayden was holding back so much here. Simply because Dawson is not as fast as him
I mean…yeah duh lol
Hayden’s been handling a lightsaber since 2002
Hardly a fair comparison
Also it’s clear he’s not actually trying to kill her, it’s just a friendly dual
@@rval6187also it would just make sense canonically. It’s I guess absolute prime Vader/ anakin vs ahsoka here so of course he’s holding back
Also they're both in their late 40s.
@@aijalonrex4345Hayden is in his in his early forties, actually
I mean, what did you expect? If they made Ahsoka keep up or look better than Anakin, you’d complain to Disney about how that shouldn’t happen.
“I’m not going to fight you.”
“I heard that before.”
… He was talking about Luke.
2:21-2:25 gives me chills, seein anakin switch to Vader but this scene shows Vader without the helmet
Bro are you tripping? The helmet is there
@liuoverkill6236 I think he's talking about Anakin using Vaders techniques and emotions while still looking like Anakin. I think he either missed the point of the flash of Vader is showing Ahsoka who is now fighting her through Anakin, or just poorly worded
Yep. The overall scene of anakin with red lightsaber IS the anakin if he defeated obi wan in mustafar 😁
0:51 the classic Hayden signature move.
Thank you so much for uploading this! As someone who grew up watching the prequels and the Clone Wars, this episode was epic!
Hayden became the lightsaber king of star wars
"I've heard that before" 🥶🥶🥶
By far the best part of the Ahsoka series.
Yeah cause the rest are garbage
Am I the only one who really understands Anakin is holding back in this episode. He doesn't strike at her she strikes at him but he only strikes at her weapon. Imagine this version of Anakin on the battlefield not striking at weapons. But striking at the person. That thought gives me chills
Exactly the way a great teacher does. Attack the weapon to ensure proper handling and testing defensive strength. Then when she is not learning what is intended, go harder and more intense and show her real faults and help her overcome them. Even if it's bringing them physically to manageable danger (like putting someone in the line of danger, but secretly having complete control of the situation so they actually won't get hurt, but they don't know that)
Anakin was way too fast in ROTS, Ahsoka will probably be dead if that Anakin she's fighting
Then that’s Rosario Dawsons problem not being able to keep up with Hayden. Ahsoka was able to keep up with grievous and maul. No reason she wouldn’t be able to keep up with Anakin
@Gat-Man55 Did you just imply that Grievous and Maul are equal to Darth Vader?
@@holyflame2 all I’m saying is if obi wan can fight them Ahsoka can do the same
@@Gat-Man55 At her peak Ahsoka was a highly skilled Padawan (probably would have passed her Jedi trials and become a Knight if she had taken them) but she was never on the same level as Anakin or any of the top tier Jedi Masters. I would say Dawson's performance would be about what you would expect from an Ahsoka who is far from peak form, and who is also older than at any other point in which we've seen the character. Ahsoka would have been 47 at that point. For reference, Kenobi was 38 during Revenge of the Sith and Anakin was 22.
This anakin is literally better than rots anakin or knightfall vader in every possible way. He was just holding back a ton because
1. The actress wasn’t nearly as skilled as hayden or ewan
2. He was teaching her her final lesson. Wasn’t trying to kill her even though he implied it.
Padame to anakin: you lack protection
Luke and Leia: Gee, you’d think?
You lack conviction was terrifying
anakin is the force
No, Revan xD
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw revan was the heart of the force. He was the heart of anakin.
@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw anakin is the force manifested into a man.
It looks like you pass
Could watch Anakin/Vader all day.
1:37: Dato curioso, el sable que Anakin usa en esta escena, es el que uso en su tiempo como Darth Vader, el cual, tras su muerte, fue encontrado y atesorado por otros siths, hasta que finalmente optaron por destruirlo en una ceremonia sith para que el sable se reuna con su dueño original (Osea Vader), es asi cono este sable seria usado nuevamente en esta escena.
1:50: Incorrect.
Ahsoka, te has vuelto más fuerte y más sabia de lo que yo nunca imagine y me siento muy orgulloso de ti.
Ahora vuelve con tus amigos y nunca dejes de creer en ellos ni en ti misma. Y recuerda que siempre estaré contigo.
“I’ve heard that before” ahsoka flashes back to rebels when Vader was going to kill her yikes 😱
Nope. He was referring to Luke telling him that in ROTJ
@@redheadnerd96which is another reason why I love this episode. It's not only referring to the rebels era where she says I won't leave you. It also mirrors Luke's saying that I won't leave you in return of the Jedi
I know it would probably be overusing this plot element, but I would desperately like to see Anakin vs Luke.
Anakin is bested by those he is attached to.
Obi yes, here he was holding back to teach her a lesson
@@rodrigobarba930 maybe during the first part of the fight, but it became very clear when he started using both hands on his saber, full-on sith eyes, telling her that she’s going to die, and straining on his face, makes it very believable that he was going for the kill and there was no longer holding back
@rodrigobarba930 he is a mortis god now.. he limited his power back to order 66 knight fall vader where as a young ahsoka would be defeated in minutes but a jedi master ahsoka would best him. just like a jedi master obi wan defeated him on mustafar. a padawan obi wan or knight obiwan would of been beat by knight fall vader. ....attachemnt and experience defeats anakin no matter the prime. My personal opinion.
@@Blizzardholocron He seems to be fighting on equal footing with her giving her a chance to defeat him and prove himself. Fighting lessons ain’t so much the master trying to kill the apprentice, but rather the master trying to teach the apprentice.
The second part is most likely Anakin using her worries and hears against her in order to for her to face her fears about going down the path of the dark side like Anakin and overcome it. Notice how Anakin only uses the dark side as an idea after Asoka tells him about her fears about turning to the dark side like Anakin. He’s trying everything he can’t to make sure she chooses to live because he obviously doesn’t want to have to kill her even when using the darkside (which shows his control over it). So I still do believe it was a final lesson expressly considering Anakin made it very clear from the start that teaching Asoka a lesson to live and not die was the whole reason why he was here in the first place, if he was really trying to kill her it would take away the whole point of his lesson. This is supported by the fact that Anakin stopped twice, the first time after using the light side when he thought Asoka chose to live. And the second time after using the darkside when she herself finally stated that she wanted to live. Sure Anakin fighting Style has changed to the lesson and the main motive hasn’t.
Keep in mind this version of Anakin (if this isn’t actually is anakin) seems to have mastered both the light and the dark using the darkside and the light side at will. Mastering the darkside to the point where it dosnt consume him causing him to kill Ashoka like it he did to Padme when the darkside got the better of him. Sure his eyes do turn red from time to time and he does use both hands from time to time but I don’t think the dark side features mean much here as his mastery over the dark side would still allow him not to let it get the best of him and kill Asoka and I can’t help to feel that his face expression looks more like disappointed then hatred. The point is, using the darkside would have been a better way to convince Asoka to live and knew this which is why he did it.
He does tell her that she’s gonna die he only said this after he tried giving her the choice her to live and she made it seem like she didn’t want to live so Anakin was fulfilling her wish.
@@inkyplays1858 after she didn’t make her choice, I think he made it pretty clear that he wanted the smoke and borrowed Godzilla’s nick name, “The smoke seeker” because he very clearly wanted her to die. definitely for most of the fight he was holding back but at the end he just had no mercy unless if she made her decision right there.
2:23 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
GOD I LOVED THIS 😊
Full potential Vader is a Monster and built different
Cool vid
FINALLY we saw Hayden Christiansen being good as Anakin Skywalker! He just needed some good writing
Disney seems to have butchered most of Star Wars aside from these short individual characters arcs. Ashoka, Obi-Wan and the Mandalorian were really good, I gotta admit.
Andor was really good too. Credit where credit is due.
To be fair, Ashoka and the mandalorian were Filoni and Faverou.
I'm not giving any credit to Disney for those.
You guys think that had Ahsoka gotten hit by Anakin with the Saber or made the wrong choice at the end with Vaders Saber to his own throat, would Anakin have simply failed her and made her try again, or would that have resulted in her life fully ending?
Luke, did I ever tell you about Ashoka Tano?
I know anakin is supposed to be a legendary jedi and sith... so WHY DOES HE ONLY HAVE 2 LIFE ACTION VICTORIES? (Dooku and Kenobi) He loses the rest
Most of his kill count are in the books and novels. And he wasn't serious in this fight, he's teaching her. This is a redeemed Anakin, he would never seriously kill Ahsoka.
Technically, Vader defeated Luke in TESB.
아나킨 배우는 왜 안늙죠?
It's because he's dead and he made his appearance to what he looked like the list time she saw him before he became Vader.
Why does he still have his robot hand?
It's how she last remembers him.
@@-darkstriker1883indeed by the time he became one with the force and became a force ghost with help from his former master all his natural limbs and his “lightsaber” haha where all restored
Because that’s how she last saw him and when he became one with the force and a force ghost with obi wan showing him the way all his natural limbs and bits where all restored
One could also ask - why does a force ghost have a scar? and yet he still has that on his face as well. I am in agreement - it's how Ahsoka remembers Anakin
And why isn't he nude? XD
Very underwhelming fight.
Glad Hayden came back around. Ok so u are typecast. If I'm him I'd say "so the fuck what? I'm fucking DARTH VADER." So what if that's the only role u play?! U have a steady job, lots of parts in stories, a strong fan base that LOVES for him to be Vader, get to do lots of cons and everyone is there to see u. Nobody embraces the typecasting. Everything he wants out of his career can be found right here in this one role to play. Once he's dead and gone there is no recasting and we've got PLENTY of story to be told still. He'd never run out of work and just get better and better with Vader. If I'm him, this is the only role I ever play.
He wasn't type cast. He stepped away to be with his wife and kid. He's said so himself.
He's not typecast. And even if it were so, being Vader provides countless opportunities. Hayden can actually be Vader too. He has been before
I've re-watched this scene so many times, but I still don't understand what the lesson was.
I've heard so many different explanations on what it is, and some people have told me that it's up to interpretation.
I find that to be kind of lazy on the writers' end by making a cool spectacle and then leaving it up to the fans to write this super big character moment for them.
I'm glad that Hayden Christiansan got to be Anakin again and have a cool duel. I just wish it had a purpose aside from just looking cool.
But that's just me. If you like it and found an inspiring lesson out of it,
1: Good for you, and
2: Share it with me. Tell me what you got out of it!
This is what I got:
Anakin was concerned Ahsoka holds back in her fights because she is afraid of becoming like Vader. It's important to hear what is not being said as well. Live or die sounds straightforward enough, but Anakin is not actually making an attempt to hurt her here.
What he isn't saying is that he himself chose death. Not death of the body, but death of the spirit. The three phases of the battle showcase this death...he starts off as the Anakin as Ashoka knew him before his fall. The line "you look the same" refers to this. Then in the second scene, Anakin reminds her of her fear when fighting Vader the first time. This represented Anakins severing of his connections to "life." Last scene portrayed Anakin in his "death" as Vaders shadow casts on the background. Vader said many times Anakin was dead.
Life or death. Not truly about just bodily living or dying, but of the spirit. Anakin was showing her that the spirit living or dieing was a choice she makes. Anakin let his spirit die and it spawned Vader. "Killing" him in rage at the end would be choosing to die. It mirrors he and Luke in ROtJ. He is saying that if she chooses life, she doesn't have to be afraid of becoming like Vader.
@@nathanhubbard5364 That was a really good interpretation. Thanks for talking about it!
@@nathanhubbard5364 Indeed. It's also important to point out that not only was Ahsoka afraid of becoming evil, but she was also terrified that she was leading Sabine down the path to becoming another Darth Vader. Because, let's face it, Sabine is *almost exactly* like Anakin. Up to and including selfishly choosing one man over the fate of the galaxy because she's deathly afraid to lose him. The relationship between Sabine and Ezra in this story is supposed to parallel the one between Anakin and Padme.
Well... that cool fight ended with some bullshit. So she just spun around him and took his lightsaber? The fuck?
Not like he's actively trying to win. This is a lesson. Not a fight.
@heavy5013 exactly. There are several moments where he has a clear shot on Ahsoka, but that's not the point of what he's doing. He needed her on the brink of death (or so she thinks) so she could find the will to live. So when he has her where she thinks she is literally about to die, she finds the strength to disarm Vader and revive. Had this been a full-effort Anakin fight, it would have ended as quickly as it started
badly casted. Rosario has too strong bone structure in the face to be sympathetic
Agree to disagree. She looks and sounds pretty close to the animated counterpart, has the mannerisms down, and did pretty decent.
She just wasn't as good at saber stuff as Hayden.
For how Ashoka was written during this point in her life, I think she did well enough.