This is well-meaning but useless to me. As usual, the patient is at the end of the line. I need my CPAP and I'm supposed to discontinue and wait for a year for a repair or replacement. Or, maybe in the future, my insurance company might be persuaded to cover a replacement, but that will still mean I pay full price due to my annual deductible. I have a Dreamstation that was covered by insurance and a Dreamstation Go travel CPAP that I paid for with cash less than 3 months ago. So if I can't live with a damaged machine, and I need my therapy, I have to pay cash for another new CPAP machine, and no one has any help or can offer any remedy. Fortunately I can afford it, what about thousands of others?
I agree. I paid cash for my Dreamstation a year and a half ago because it was cheaper than the insurance price. I assumed I would never meet my deductible (was wrong). I can't wait a year. My sleep apnea is very mild but it impacts a heart condition. It's been a week and I'm tired and unwell, like most everyone in this boat. I'll have to buy a ResMed. I'll accept the repair Philips offers way down the road because I'll try to sell my Dreamstation at that time to recoup some of my money.
@@ulyssesgrant7097 I will join you. I’d like to sue my sleep clinic which has yet to contact me. Crickets. Just so livid and I have had breathing problems for 3 months after 3 years on the dreamstation.
I went online to Easy Breathe and they are selling the Airsense 10 for 99.00 down and $68.67 a month for 12 months. I purchased one and got a 2 year warranty and whole year of supplies for a low cost as well. Check them out. All you need is your prescription. These doctors are not helping any of us. It's time we take control of our own health.
Ok, so we just want straight answers. Not a bunch of medical terms. The cpaps that have this foam have been giving off these gasses since day one. I have a DS I've used since 2017. Yes I've used my So Clean on my DS for at least 2yrs. They didn't know how it would affect it and neither did I. So yes I'm very concerned. I know what my filter looks like. I had to remove it because my insurance won't help me get another one. I've had some of these symptoms over the yrs but passed it off as allergies or my headgear. Always tired, stuffy, sinus infections, headaches and upper back aches. Is it my back or is it my lungs. Who knows! I don't want a new machine from Phillips. I want a refund so I can get a different machine. I had to pay for my DS, as insurance wouldn't pay for it up front.
The general impression I get here is that your complacency will end up damaging your patients. Either be good advocates for those who are suffering or step out of the way so others who will can take a leadership role.
I found out about the recall and the dangers of my CPAP machine on my own by accident!!! There is no warning going out to patients at all. That is total BS!!! Had I not investigated this on my own, I would still be using this dangerous CPAP. I also have been having dizziness and headaches, plus shortness of breath and congestion. Now I have to go get checked out by my doctor, pay for that, and now have to pay for a new machine that hopefully will not kill me. Very angry right now.
A discussion of cancer risk due to volatile organic compounds (VOCs) is meaningless in the absence of gold guidance on the statistical likelihood of such an outcome. In the absence of that information, hysteria reigns! Remember that in our litigious society which is predisposed to large judgments (often out of proportion to the likelihood and extent of injury), the creation of anxiety due to uncertainty about the extent of risk, and a financially necessary corporate defensive posture of “duty to warn” as a preventive against large judgements. A balance between potential adverse effects and the adverse effects of discontinuing a beneficial and preventative treatment with PAP, needs wise guidance from professionals reflecting the statistical likelihood of outcomes. Burdening the patients with insufficient certainty in the absence of greater information is not helpful. (All side effects listed in drug advertising do not happen to everyone and may be rare, but are mentioned both for education and as a defense against loss in litigation). Just like the warning that “This product contains compounds known to the state of California to cause cancer,” a small amount of similar VOCs can likely be found in upholstery and insulation foams, autos, homes, and petroleum derived products. How much more significant is polyurethane CPAP foam? The graphic representation of groups who should not discontinue PAP is most helpful. Future analysis of individual filters to determine the extent of exposure could be helpful. Several good points have been made here, including the question of a difference with and without a humidifier, which could be removed from the circuit with little complication. The number of “Side effects” found in case reports can be due both to the population’s baseline of reported common maladies and the power of suggestion in patients on hearing information. (Edited for typos and clarity.)
The issue is the PE-PUR foam that is used for sound abatement can degrade resulting in a host of issues including death Souce: FDA. I recommend requesting them to provide a shipping label to send your machine to a qualified testing facility for analysis. At their expense. Unless or until this testing is conducted, you and they don’t know for sure if you may have been breathing in dangerous VOC’s. Don’t loose chain of custody with your machine by returning it. Request Philips ship you a DreamStation II which uses silicone for sound abatement.
Is there any plan for the society to commission its own studies to collect more data with respect to what is going on here? I personally find it absurd that the thing that got the most traction in this call was the liability waiver you could ask patients to sign when doing a titration. The priorities of this panel, and the degree to which they are (not) scrutinizing Philips is disgusting. The fact that these machines were not subjected to VOC testing as part of their certification process, considering patients will spend 1/3 of their life breathing on it, is a major oversight of the regulatory system, and something that this society has the capacity to influence.
A filter may not stop the gasses but would stop larger particulates. This would stop them entering your airways and lungs only to lodge there to become a problem. If the gasses are leeched off the foam rubber imagine how much more it would leech if it was stuck in your 🫁 lung.
What about those patients (as myself) who are in the middle of a 13 month lease purchase of a Phillips Dreamstation device through their health insurance. Why should we continue to pay for a device that we cannot use? Do we cancel the contracts and return the devices? What a mess!
I have been having headaches, dizziness and nausea with no explanation. Having heard about the recall only just today I now suspect the Dreamstation. I am pissed. I hope Philips is ready for legal action as I am sure the hazards are real.
Me too! I was in the ER yesterday because of lung burning and coughing that wouldn't go away. No one told me - I found out about it by accident while searching for a CPAP question last night. Not even the ER doc asked me about what CPAP I had or thought to explore that as the issue!
I am with you on this. I went through lots of evaluations only to be told that my heart and brain were healthier than most - so see a shrink. I got my Dreamstation in Colorado at 6,000 elevation and I was on O2 overnight through my machine. My settings were 12 to 22- which Sleep doc in Iowa (sea level) said there were too many problems with the sliding scale pressures. I can't help but wonder if my machine has created all of my weird extra complaints that have not made sense to the doctors.
I have had the same affect with the DS1. I just got a new machine (I had to pay for it tho) and I have noticed a major difference, less headaches and starting to feel a lot better. I do not think Phillips are taking it seriously enough. If you have a recalled machine there is only one option STOP USING THE BLOODY THING! I`m with you I am so pissed too... ;-(
If you take out the foam you will NOT have any filtration of the intake air. The foam is the bottom side of the air intake passages. If you are hell bent on removing the foam I'd suggest duct taping the the seams of the upper and lower casings together to restrict unfiltered air flow.
i only just found out about this, my local hospital had not informed me. I am continuing with my cpap but have ordered a resmed autosense 10 that comes in 3 days.
Just how can a filter be placed on these machines to eliminate the OVC gases when the foam is encapsulated in plastic housing that has no way to access the foam unless you cut the plastic open to take the foam out?? Last night I tried to sleep without the machine! I couldn’t I had to use it. Using a cpap / bipap is as addictive as any drug or alcohol use. So in the interest of self preservation the only choice I’m left with is to take this problem in my own hands by taking the foam out myself.
I have been seeing multiple Dr's since using the Dreamstation. It is not only from long-term use. Philips said the strongest gasses are at the beginning of use. I've had ER visits also. MANY records of proof. Is there a class action? I need to be on it 100%. Someone post please. I will be going on oxygen soon because of this.
Patients are taking upon themselves to remove the foam. In doing so, some are creating a more dangerous situation. After removing the foam, they are sealing the openings (created to remove the foam) with epoxy. The off gases from the epoxy will definitely be a serious problem. See how to remove foam video ua-cam.com/video/XGCyaRxiIEY/v-deo.html
I can’t believe how lackadaisical your panelists comments are. This is not multiple choice. You are being so negligent gambling with your patients health.
Idiotic to suggest that those with sleep apnea stop using the Dreamstation immediately and ask your doctor what to do to keep treating the apnea, as if there were other options, other than using other CPAP devices not affected by this problem.
You are so right. I contacted my doctor and was told that it was my decision as to whether I wanted to continue to use the Dreamstation. How is this helpful? We patients are stuck in the middle.
@@Orangetiger78 I have opted to continue to use my machine,considering that there is only a 0.03% chance of problems with the machine,and I never used an ozone cleaning device in the machine,which seems to be the primary cause of the breakdown of the noise filter in the machine.I figure that again having my sleep destroyed by apnea represents a far more immediate danger to my health.
@@Breaktheduopoly I agree. After I posted this I found out that toxic emissions from the machine begin immediately,regardless of whether you ever used ozone cleaners.I. too, have had breathing problems since I started using the machine, and I'm convinced that it was the result of using the machine. I have stopped using it.
why would you trust the company and give them more money? i bought an airsense 10 because i never use the auto settings on my dreamstation, but im done with everything philips period.
Philips need to step up to plate and take care of matters. They are failing to take care of this situation with the people involved. Philips are a joke and a disgrace and should be held responsible!!
just open the cpap and take out the foam wash the chamber. i just did and i had a head ache for 6 months and last night i did not. this filter is simply for the noise. there is now way philips will have technisiand to open it and to replace the filter it will take at lease 20 min pers machine. they will send a replacement cpap or send some money.
I too have had headaches and have breathing issues now. Been trying so many inhalers but nothing helped. Stop using machine and my breathing has improve but I need a machine. Was removing the foam difficult?
@@cheryl7627 hi,.....here a good link to show how to do it. ua-cam.com/video/6SwGXBen4OU/v-deo.html but there is a other video, that he show after were to cut . ps.......... wash were you remove the foam.
The dreamstation 1 has a molded interior….. not easy to replace the filter….. probably voids the warranty as well….. in my opinion, Philips will use any excuse not to replace our machines.
Phillip P we are amazed.at your.fix.and.we.would. like to. Talk to you more.about.it. please contact.us back. Like to know.how you opened. The case. Thanks marbille51@gmail.com
It is a health issue not being taken care of!! Just a bunch of procrastination from Philips!! Problem is too much talk!! Take action and responsibility!!!
Any risk of being exposed to voc cancer causing agent is 100 percent unexceptionable are you people insane talking about working for the insurance companies these doctors and equipment centers better hold on massive law suites coming your way you should be writing new prescriptions for resmed devices immediately to all patients
from the announcement of the recall to this past week was like what 3 months, maybe 4, I got my replacement. I did place a inline filter on my hose right before the headgear. I have never used the So Clean system, which more articles revealed is the potential cause of the foam breakdown. No impact to me.
I ask my insurance and they say they have no problem covering a new device for me but my doctor will not write me a new prescription for a different device.
Find another doctor…. Quickly, before there are no machines to buy….the supply chain has been disrupted with Philips not producing any for purchase right now.
@@mrtyeehunter Most insurance companies require a new prescription. Or if the prescription is expired you will need a new prescription even to buy one yourself. Your PCP can write the prescription if your sleep doctor won't. My insurance, BCBSLA, will buy a new machine every 5 years, but they require a new sleep study and a new prescription.
I am also affected by this... I have had this cough and itchy throat for months ! and they wont go away with any medicines! Imagine i used this for 4 years! so not sure what is the long term impact to me :-( - Did anyone else "register" your CPAP machines as they requested? What is it for?
My CPAP supplier thought it was a good idea to pass the buck and let Philips be responsible for contacting me. Haven't heard from Philips yet. Probably going to take a year. Not acceptable. I bought a Fisher Paykel from their competitor.
DME control over patient care is a scam. Discontinuing CPAP is NOT an option. That doctors go along with this really points to the "doctor as human auto mechanic" philosophy.
they need to hurry we all need to contact the white house this is not right we put our life at risk if a bus driver falls asleep or a pilot or a train operator like what happened a few years ago, i stopped mine and i fell asleep at a time i should be up almost burn my house down, i ordered a filter online i have to go back to using my recall dream station.
Metal Mick”: Actually No,I don’t want another “Dream Station”. I’m going to use one of my previous machines that still work -- and better than this one.
There are several youtube videos showing there is a process to pull down the both the System One and Dream Station and remove the foam, relatively simple on the System One machines, a little more difficult with the Dream Station but possible. My question is why not do this if you're confident, remove the foam and give the machine a good clean out with canned air or even a hair dryer without the heat. Those that have done this process report that whilst the noise levels of the machine are raised slightly it's not excessive and didn't stop them getting their normal sleep. Similar to the white noise machines some Cpap users was what one user reported. After all the foam is only used as a noise dampener.
What if in opening it you damage it beyond your ability to repair? What then? Other brands are delayed by weeks. If you damage the machine will your insurance say you tampered with it instead of getting it fixed by an authorized repair business? Now you have junk while you gasp for air every night.
@@stephenbeacham9717 I guess that's a personal decision hey. I've already "operated" on my PR System One Auto and the result is I now have a machine that won't kill me and my AHI results since mirror what they were prior to my "surgery" on the machine. And surprise, surprise there is not any real noticeable noise difference with the Cpap machine, slightly marginal at best. And now I'm not in the queue that no doubt will see others without a machine for a considerable time unless they're cashed up and can purchase a new machine or make other arrangements.
@@howardgray9068 I’m happy for you. I’d be happy to pay a skilled person to do it. But I’m all thumbs and elbows. I have no tools. I get things apart fine. Putting them back together is the problem.
So for all the people that have been exposed to this problem I think too late for worrying about it,,the damage is done ,,but hey someone got wealthy from sales of worthless health care for the succerwho believed that they were going to be able to sleep well. Ha
You DMEs and Sleep Centers are not doing anything to help your patients!! It's time we the patients take control of our own health!
This is well-meaning but useless to me. As usual, the patient is at the end of the line. I need my CPAP and I'm supposed to discontinue and wait for a year for a repair or replacement. Or, maybe in the future, my insurance company might be persuaded to cover a replacement, but that will still mean I pay full price due to my annual deductible. I have a Dreamstation that was covered by insurance and a Dreamstation Go travel CPAP that I paid for with cash less than 3 months ago. So if I can't live with a damaged machine, and I need my therapy, I have to pay cash for another new CPAP machine, and no one has any help or can offer any remedy. Fortunately I can afford it, what about thousands of others?
I tried with my insurance company and the refused so what are we supposed to do? It's so frustrating. All I hear is crickets from Philips.
I agree. I paid cash for my Dreamstation a year and a half ago because it was cheaper than the insurance price. I assumed I would never meet my deductible (was wrong). I can't wait a year. My sleep apnea is very mild but it impacts a heart condition. It's been a week and I'm tired and unwell, like most everyone in this boat. I'll have to buy a ResMed. I'll accept the repair Philips offers way down the road because I'll try to sell my Dreamstation at that time to recoup some of my money.
Hopefully we can all file a class lawsuit against Philips for ruining people’s lives especially their on with trouble sleeping.
@@ulyssesgrant7097 I will join you. I’d like to sue my sleep clinic which has yet to contact me. Crickets. Just so livid and I have had breathing problems for 3 months after 3 years on the dreamstation.
I went online to Easy Breathe and they are selling the Airsense 10 for 99.00 down and $68.67 a month for 12 months. I purchased one and got a 2 year warranty and whole year of supplies for a low cost as well. Check them out. All you need is your prescription. These doctors are not helping any of us. It's time we take control of our own health.
Ok, so we just want straight answers. Not a bunch of medical terms. The cpaps that have this foam have been giving off these gasses since day one. I have a DS I've used since 2017. Yes I've used my So Clean on my DS for at least 2yrs. They didn't know how it would affect it and neither did I. So yes I'm very concerned. I know what my filter looks like. I had to remove it because my insurance won't help me get another one. I've had some of these symptoms over the yrs but passed it off as allergies or my headgear. Always tired, stuffy, sinus infections, headaches and upper back aches. Is it my back or is it my lungs. Who knows! I don't want a new machine from Phillips. I want a refund so I can get a different machine. I had to pay for my DS, as insurance wouldn't pay for it up front.
Upper back pain here.
wow
The general impression I get here is that your complacency will end up damaging your patients. Either be good advocates for those who are suffering or step out of the way so others who will can take a leadership role.
I found out about the recall and the dangers of my CPAP machine on my own by accident!!! There is no warning going out to patients at all. That is total BS!!! Had I not investigated this on my own, I would still be using this dangerous CPAP. I also have been having dizziness and headaches, plus shortness of breath and congestion. Now I have to go get checked out by my doctor, pay for that, and now have to pay for a new machine that hopefully will not kill me. Very angry right now.
me too
I found out 2 days ago. It was on the news here in Ontario, Canada. Why are they just announcing it now?????
A discussion of cancer risk due to volatile organic compounds (VOCs) is meaningless in the absence of gold guidance on the statistical likelihood of such an outcome. In the absence of that information, hysteria reigns!
Remember that in our litigious society which is predisposed to large judgments (often out of proportion to the likelihood and extent of injury), the creation of anxiety due to uncertainty about the extent of risk, and a financially necessary corporate defensive posture of “duty to warn” as a preventive against large judgements. A balance between potential adverse effects and the adverse effects of discontinuing a beneficial and preventative treatment with PAP, needs wise guidance from professionals reflecting the statistical likelihood of outcomes.
Burdening the patients with insufficient certainty in the absence of greater information is not helpful.
(All side effects listed in drug advertising do not happen to everyone and may be rare, but are mentioned both for education and as a defense against loss in litigation).
Just like the warning that “This product contains compounds known to the state of California to cause cancer,” a small amount of similar VOCs can likely be found in upholstery and insulation foams, autos, homes, and petroleum derived products. How much more significant is polyurethane CPAP foam?
The graphic representation of groups who should not discontinue PAP is most helpful.
Future analysis of individual filters to determine the extent of exposure could be helpful. Several good points have been made here, including the question of a difference with and without a humidifier, which could be removed from the circuit with little complication. The number of “Side effects” found in case reports can be due both to the population’s baseline of reported common maladies and the power of suggestion in patients on hearing information. (Edited for typos and clarity.)
The issue is the PE-PUR foam that is used for sound abatement can degrade resulting in a host of issues including death Souce: FDA. I recommend requesting them to provide a shipping label to send your machine to a qualified testing facility for analysis. At their expense.
Unless or until this testing is conducted, you and they don’t know for sure if you may have been breathing in dangerous VOC’s. Don’t loose chain of custody with your machine by returning it.
Request Philips ship you a DreamStation II which uses silicone for sound abatement.
Is there any plan for the society to commission its own studies to collect more data with respect to what is going on here? I personally find it absurd that the thing that got the most traction in this call was the liability waiver you could ask patients to sign when doing a titration. The priorities of this panel, and the degree to which they are (not) scrutinizing Philips is disgusting. The fact that these machines were not subjected to VOC testing as part of their certification process, considering patients will spend 1/3 of their life breathing on it, is a major oversight of the regulatory system, and something that this society has the capacity to influence.
A filter may not stop the gasses but would stop larger particulates. This would stop them entering your airways and lungs only to lodge there to become a problem. If the gasses are leeched off the foam rubber imagine how much more it would leech if it was stuck in your 🫁 lung.
There is information online Philips knew about this issue for approximately 2 years or more.
Yes I believe they did know. The timing of the dreamstation 2 coming out and disclosing this is too much to be coincidence.
Oh those effin pieces of $hit.
please link that evidence so we can see it
They are evil.
I was informing Phillips & Performance Home Medical of these problems almost three years ago with no response other than I was wrong.
So do we stop using the
My doctor recommended to stop using the dreamstation. I was told my heart last year was do to 5 years of untreated sleep apnea. Makes no sense
Dizziness headache Nausea and I only use the machine for 9 months
What about those patients (as myself) who are in the middle of a 13 month lease purchase of a Phillips Dreamstation device through their health insurance. Why should we continue to pay for a device that we cannot use? Do we cancel the contracts and return the devices? What a mess!
Do any of you use these machines. I have to or it seriously impacts my life. Who’s paying you guys???
I have been having headaches, dizziness and nausea with no explanation. Having heard about the recall only just today I now suspect the Dreamstation. I am pissed. I hope Philips is ready for legal action as I am sure the hazards are real.
Me too! I was in the ER yesterday because of lung burning and coughing that wouldn't go away. No one told me - I found out about it by accident while searching for a CPAP question last night. Not even the ER doc asked me about what CPAP I had or thought to explore that as the issue!
Yes I’m worry the off-gas might be affecting me
I am with you on this. I went through lots of evaluations only to be told that my heart and brain were healthier than most - so see a shrink.
I got my Dreamstation in Colorado at 6,000 elevation and I was on O2 overnight through my machine. My settings were 12 to 22- which Sleep doc in Iowa (sea level) said there were too many problems with the sliding scale pressures. I can't help but wonder if my machine has created all of my weird extra complaints that have not made sense to the doctors.
I have had the same affect with the DS1. I just got a new machine (I had to pay for it tho) and I have noticed a major difference, less headaches and starting to feel a lot better. I do not think Phillips are taking it seriously enough. If you have a recalled machine there is only one option STOP USING THE BLOODY THING! I`m with you I am so pissed too... ;-(
If you take out the foam you will NOT have any filtration of the intake air. The foam is the bottom side of the air intake passages. If you are hell bent on removing the foam I'd suggest duct taping the the seams of the upper and lower casings together to restrict unfiltered air flow.
i only just found out about this, my local hospital had not informed me. I am continuing with my cpap but have ordered a resmed autosense 10 that comes in 3 days.
Are we getting any direction about whether we can use this machine or not? People are losing faith in this product in this industry every day
You may find these PAP device recall FAQs for patients helpful: sleepeducation.org/philips-pap-device-recall-faqs-for-patients/
Just how can a filter be placed on these machines to eliminate the OVC gases when the foam is encapsulated in plastic housing that has no way to access the foam unless you cut the plastic open to take the foam out?? Last night I tried to sleep without the machine! I couldn’t I had to use it. Using a cpap / bipap is as addictive as any drug or alcohol use.
So in the interest of self preservation the only choice I’m left with is to take this problem in my own hands by taking the foam out myself.
I’m going to buy a ResMed. I want nothing more to do with Phillips.
where can buy bacteria virus filter
Why not recommend that users remove the foam? It's not rocket science and it completely solves the problem!
I think some have ?
I have been seeing multiple Dr's since using the Dreamstation. It is not only from long-term use. Philips said the strongest gasses are at the beginning of use. I've had ER visits also. MANY records of proof. Is there a class action? I need to be on it 100%. Someone post please. I will be going on oxygen soon because of this.
Why are we laughing?
Patients are taking upon themselves to remove the foam. In doing so, some are creating a more dangerous situation. After removing the foam, they are sealing the openings (created to remove the foam) with epoxy. The off gases from the epoxy will definitely be a serious problem.
See how to remove foam video
ua-cam.com/video/XGCyaRxiIEY/v-deo.html
I can’t believe how lackadaisical your panelists comments are. This is not multiple choice. You are being so negligent gambling with your patients health.
This is exactly right.
It's disgusting, isn't it.
Idiotic to suggest that those with sleep apnea stop using the Dreamstation immediately and ask your doctor what to do to keep treating the apnea, as if there were other options, other than using other CPAP devices not affected by this problem.
You are so right. I contacted my doctor and was told that it was my decision as to whether I wanted to continue to use the Dreamstation. How is this helpful? We patients are stuck in the middle.
@@Orangetiger78 I have opted to continue to use my machine,considering that there is only a 0.03% chance of problems with the machine,and I never used an ozone cleaning device in the machine,which seems to be the primary cause of the breakdown of the noise filter in the machine.I figure that again having my sleep destroyed by apnea represents a far more immediate danger to my health.
@@albardo08 I never used ozone either but I have been going to emergency with breathing problems for 3 months. Don’t be foolish. Take this seriously.
@@Breaktheduopoly I agree. After I posted this I found out that toxic emissions from the machine begin immediately,regardless of whether you ever used ozone cleaners.I. too, have had breathing problems since I started using the machine, and I'm convinced that it was the result of using the machine. I have stopped using it.
@@albardo08 I apologize for calling you foolish. I hope this is a temporary illness for us. Wish you the best!
Thanks
I had to purchase a DreamStation 2. It's not part of the recall. Apparently, it does not have the foam that the recalled millions of CPAPs had.
why would you trust the company and give them more money? i bought an airsense 10 because i never use the auto settings on my dreamstation, but im done with everything philips period.
I want nothing more to do with Phillips. I’m not supporting this company any longer.
Philips need to step up to plate and take care of matters. They are failing to take care of this situation with the people involved. Philips are a joke and a disgrace and should be held responsible!!
a class action against Philips like VW would be helpful.
They exist
Key content @8:15 - 13:15
just open the cpap and take out the foam wash the chamber. i just did and i had a head ache for 6 months and last night i did not. this filter is simply for the noise. there is now way philips will have technisiand to open it and to replace the filter it will take at lease 20 min pers machine. they will send a replacement cpap or send some money.
I too have had headaches and have breathing issues now. Been trying so many inhalers but nothing helped. Stop using machine and my breathing has improve but I need a machine. Was removing the foam difficult?
@@cheryl7627 hi,.....here a good link to show how to do it. ua-cam.com/video/6SwGXBen4OU/v-deo.html
but there is a other video, that he show after were to cut . ps.......... wash were you remove the foam.
@@cheryl7627 I’ve had breathing problems for 3 months. I’m so angry about this!
The dreamstation 1 has a molded interior….. not easy to replace the filter….. probably voids the warranty as well….. in my opinion, Philips will use any excuse not to replace our machines.
Phillip P we are amazed.at your.fix.and.we.would. like to. Talk to you more.about.it. please contact.us back. Like to know.how you opened. The case. Thanks marbille51@gmail.com
At the 23:29 mark they all laugh about how long this will take to get fixed. This is not a joke! Why would you laugh?
I think its more about how companies take time with all the red tape....
It is a health issue not being taken care of!! Just a bunch of procrastination from Philips!! Problem is too much talk!! Take action and responsibility!!!
I want a Resmed CPAP to replace this defective and cancer causing death machine. I so annoyed. ☠️☠️☠️Phillips Dream Machine 🏴☠️
Any risk of being exposed to voc cancer causing agent is 100 percent unexceptionable are you people insane talking about working for the insurance companies these doctors and equipment centers better hold on massive law suites coming your way you should be writing new prescriptions for resmed
devices immediately to all patients
from the announcement of the recall to this past week was like what 3 months, maybe 4, I got my replacement. I did place a inline filter on my hose right before the headgear. I have never used the So Clean system, which more articles revealed is the potential cause of the foam breakdown. No impact to me.
What about us the patient!!! This is all ridiculous if you offer no help.
Manulife has cut off all coverage of CPAP machines as of March 1, 2021.
I ask my insurance and they say they have no problem covering a new device for me but my doctor will not write me a new prescription for a different device.
Find another doctor. If it's your sleep doctor, ask your Primary Care doctor if they will write a prescription.
Find another doctor…. Quickly, before there are no machines to buy….the supply chain has been disrupted with Philips not producing any for purchase right now.
@@mrtyeehunter Most insurance companies require a new prescription. Or if the prescription is expired you will need a new prescription even to buy one yourself. Your PCP can write the prescription if your sleep doctor won't.
My insurance, BCBSLA, will buy a new machine every 5 years, but they require a new sleep study and a new prescription.
I am also affected by this... I have had this cough and itchy throat for months ! and they wont go away with any medicines! Imagine i used this for 4 years! so not sure what is the long term impact to me :-(
- Did anyone else "register" your CPAP machines as they requested? What is it for?
My CPAP supplier thought it was a good idea to pass the buck and let Philips be responsible for contacting me. Haven't heard from Philips yet. Probably going to take a year. Not acceptable. I bought a Fisher Paykel from their competitor.
I’m buying a new one today. A ResMed I think.
DME control over patient care is a scam. Discontinuing CPAP is NOT an option. That doctors go along with this really points to the "doctor as human auto mechanic" philosophy.
they need to hurry we all need to contact the white house this is not right we put our life at risk if a bus driver falls asleep or a pilot or a train operator like what happened a few years ago, i stopped mine and i fell asleep at a time i should be up almost burn my house down, i ordered a filter online i have to go back to using my recall dream station.
Will Philips replace the foam in my Bipap and I keep the one I have ?
So far we know that Philips will replace foam in Bipaps. You will keep your machine. Unlike the Cpap, there are no new Dreamstation 2's for Bipap.
Replace the foam ? Why the F would you want to replace the foam ? The foam is the problem. You’re not going to get any benign foam.
@@lilybond6485 I think they should just replace the machine, but even then do you want one from them? I wouldn't
Metal Mick”: Actually No,I don’t want another “Dream Station”. I’m going to use one of my previous machines that still work -- and better than this one.
There are several youtube videos showing there is a process to pull down the both the System One and Dream Station and remove the foam, relatively simple on the System One machines, a little more difficult with the Dream Station but possible. My question is why not do this if you're confident, remove the foam and give the machine a good clean out with canned air or even a hair dryer without the heat. Those that have done this process report that whilst the noise levels of the machine are raised slightly it's not excessive and didn't stop them getting their normal sleep. Similar to the white noise machines some Cpap users was what one user reported. After all the foam is only used as a noise dampener.
What if in opening it you damage it beyond your ability to repair? What then? Other brands are delayed by weeks. If you damage the machine will your insurance say you tampered with it instead of getting it fixed by an authorized repair business? Now you have junk while you gasp for air every night.
@@stephenbeacham9717 I guess that's a personal decision hey. I've already "operated" on my PR System One Auto and the result is I now have a machine that won't kill me and my AHI results since mirror what they were prior to my "surgery" on the machine. And surprise, surprise there is not any real noticeable noise difference with the Cpap machine, slightly marginal at best. And now I'm not in the queue that no doubt will see others without a machine for a considerable time unless they're cashed up and can purchase a new machine or make other arrangements.
@@howardgray9068 I’m happy for you. I’d be happy to pay a skilled person to do it. But I’m all thumbs and elbows. I have no tools. I get things apart fine. Putting them back together is the problem.
Sounds like a law suit in the works 🤔
Many. And my name is going on one.
Sign me up. Fuckers have me coughing up a lung over here.
So non chalant … ya man I’d rather not have cancer in 20 years
Lord have mercy 🤦♂️👎
So for all the people that have been exposed to this problem I think too late for worrying about it,,the damage is done ,,but hey someone got wealthy from sales of worthless health care for the succerwho believed that they were going to be able to sleep well. Ha