Agreed, but it seems Impossible. All conductors are connected at the same time by one relay. Although the function switch to 1/3 phase is available in the Modbus list. Maybe we can implement this ourselfs with 2 separate 40A relais, and Node-Red
Looking forward to installing these. It would be great to select ACout2 for Multiplus units, especially in ESS setups so as to not charge the vehicle if the grid fails. Also, it would be interesting to be able to select to prioritise the batteries or the vehicle charging.
A time based setup (max amp based on time). This is nice if you have time of use metering or hourly rates. With hourly rates,you know when it is lowest. You can set up. 08-22 - off 22-06 - max 06-08 - 6A An option to override the timer with your phone. Like "on for two hours" A more advance system: A public a API that can be used by third-party smart homes. In Norway connection fee based on max hourly usage will be implemented, so system to regulate power is in high demand...
Is there a plan for a LAN connection? Often the wall box will be more away from the house and a Wifi network will not be available there. At least in my location it is the situation and I will net set up a repeater. Generelly I try to connect everything with LAN because it is more performant an reliable.
I've waited for it. Finally, I will be able to charge the car from my offgrid system with full control of the voltage in the batteries. I hope that with 3 phases (I've three 10kVA quattro inverters/chargers, every 10kVA of power) I will also be able to charge with 11kW of power. I wonder if Victron has plans for a DC station as well.
To be honest. I like Victron Energy Products in general.. This one as well. But i'm very disappointed with the price. Because for what it is worth it ..well That is just too much . For 1/2 price you can buy similarly performing product..ofc not so fancy with so good software and all that ..but it will do what it was build for and that charging your EV. I hope Victron Energy will not start to be one of those greedy companies. I fully understand it is new thing now..but I really hope ppl will start thinking there and marketing will start thinking about customers in first place. Nobody( i said nobody .but that is not correct ppl with too much money will pay..but rest of the ppl will go to internet and will find out there are cheaper options with similar results) will pay 2k just for charger ..for that price you can get over 2kW panels..so yeah.. Sometimes too much is just too much I'm afraid.
I think such device attached to outdoors should support cable ethernet and PLC-data, power link communication over powerline. Wifi will get security issues and is easier to exploit.
I got 60m between carport and inverter shed, power over line or ethernet are clearly the best solutions. But wifi need to be there too for some situations, would be good to be able to choose.
Audio has a high pitch sound at times. Also, at 4:01 isn't that way of routing the power cable likely to cause water to wick into the building, increasing moisture? I understand a small loop in the cable shape can let water drip outside rather than go inside.
Missing an ethernet option and I can’t help but wonder why we don’t charge with DC when we store it in the house and drive with it. Converting to AC just for charging just seems… inefficient. For the price, I would expected a neater inside as well, not with a cheap wire connector like that one.
yes, but dc charging requires another step, another addition to the charger. the charger is basically just let the 240v ac through and communicating with the car. so you need another switch mode part. then your installation will be an added 5000$ or so.
Hello, Someone using rhis charger with micro inverters drived by a mpii frequency shifting on the AC OUT ...? Does it work correctly and drive the micros according to power available ?
Ich glaube das VE.Direct nicht verwendet wurde, weil die Leitungslänge begrentzt ist. Allerdings fäde ich es auch super wenn man es einfach per RJ45 Port an das lokate LAN anschließen könnte.
Nice, but the Tesla charger is 500 Euro. I would love to buy this one if the rest of all systems will be Victron. Would love to add this one for integration. But ye, i already got the one from Tesla.
I have an off-grid system with one MP2 48/5000, OK. Let's say I buy an EVCS and the car now charges with say 3.7kW. The house draws 300W. From the roof comes DC-connected 8000W. Everything is fine. The MP2 fan is busy but the MP2 can handle it. Now we switch on a large consumer in the house. Let's say 2500W. The MP2 now has to supply 6500W. But it can only do this for a certain time, which is measured in seconds. What does the EVCS do? Does it stop charging the car until inverter power is available again or does the MP2 go into overload shutdown? (All without using Node-Red, which would then possibly be plan B). Thanks for the help!
@@luciangplIn the case explained here, car charge should reduce to let's say 1000W and let the appliance work normally. If charge stop then something is wrong with the system.
only possible with DC/CCS connection. V2L basicly doesn't need extra hardware. Just use the plug delivered by the car. I have never seen a plug both for V2L and charging in the same unit.
@VictronTech a) allow for remote 1p/2p/3p enabling at least in manual mode, many cars can take it and you get a seamless load from 1 x 6A to 3 x 32A, b) clean up the cabling inside for chrissake. It looks like intestines of a bug whose butt you just ripped off. I think both would be not only fair for 1500 EUR + VAT, but "market adequate".
good morning , it's weird this story, during my last email that I sent you, you replied that you only do 48V maximum and never high voltage ..... what about the blow ?
Leider nicht wirklich gut, schon alleine die Montage ist sehr schlecht gelöst. Kein LAN Anschluss. Keine automatische Umschaltung 1-Phasig, 3-Phasiges laden, da nur ein Schütz verbaut ist.
my god, however much I love victron equipment, it's usually not in plain view. Could you not at least take some time to design something that doesnt look absolutely aweful to hang on a wall outside...
Lol...so stupid to charge from AC when we are off grid, so i got 10kW of PV and 2 rs450 but i can't charge my car with it..i need to go through a 15kW serie of inverters to be able charge my car..? Common, be smart please, passing through inverter i'll waste a lot of kWh not talking about the heat generated..! The noise... This device should have 2 power entries, AC like it already as bit also DC 48V. Since not a lot of people will have their 48V battery pack near their car charger, at least make this DC input an option.
that is another dype and way more expensive also this allows you to limit the power to what the system can handel it can slow the charging if you have more load
The standard allowes a charge rate of 6A to 32A in 1A steps. A 40A fuse is recommend if you want to pull 32A. If you set the max to 8A, you can have a 10A fuse.
For that price, an automatic switch between 1ph and 3ph must be implemented. Thats a must have feature for all charging EV with excess PV power
what was the price?
@@smartgenpoweringthepowerle2038 1900€ pre saile
Agreed, but it seems Impossible. All conductors are connected at the same time by one relay. Although the function switch to 1/3 phase is available in the Modbus list. Maybe we can implement this ourselfs with 2 separate 40A relais, and Node-Red
@@mm6165its now down to 500 Euro 😮
I'm very glad Iskra is providing components for this charging station.
1000$+ !!! Such a crazy markup given that the total BOM must not exceed 200$. A shame..
its about the software and integration into the whole system
Why no wired LAN connection?
Probably because it would require more safety circuits and add cost, with WIFI you don't have to protect the user from high voltages.
Agreed, i now need to use a wifi router under the carport to make this device work...
You know it's going to be a quality install when the electrician turns up with a parkside drill haha.
LMFAO, and with no earplugs !
and then the unit it self with no back exit it looks cheap as f
@@fryske.tynster they have better looking ones but this is the most reliable design and most durable
it works and they are pretty good
Looking forward to installing these.
It would be great to select ACout2 for Multiplus units, especially in ESS setups so as to not charge the vehicle if the grid fails.
Also, it would be interesting to be able to select to prioritise the batteries or the vehicle charging.
You can do both, even without installing it on ACOUT2, it is detecting missing grid, and you can select minimum SOC for allowing to charge the EV
A time based setup (max amp based on time). This is nice if you have time of use metering or hourly rates.
With hourly rates,you know when it is lowest.
You can set up.
08-22 - off
22-06 - max
06-08 - 6A
An option to override the timer with your phone. Like "on for two hours"
A more advance system: A public a API that can be used by third-party smart homes.
In Norway connection fee based on max hourly usage will be implemented, so system to regulate power is in high demand...
Is there a plan for a LAN connection? Often the wall box will be more away from the house and a Wifi network will not be available there. At least in my location it is the situation and I will net set up a repeater. Generelly I try to connect everything with LAN because it is more performant an reliable.
The incoming supply should replace the screw terminals with something like wago connector instead.
yes, they look pretty tacky.
Agreed, looks very cheap, fixing is not that expensive.
@@ursodermatt8809 they are cheap but reliable
@@DuikerIvo cheap but reliable
I've waited for it. Finally, I will be able to charge the car from my offgrid system with full control of the voltage in the batteries. I hope that with 3 phases (I've three 10kVA quattro inverters/chargers, every 10kVA of power) I will also be able to charge with 11kW of power. I wonder if Victron has plans for a DC station as well.
awesome, its not the prettiest thing in the world but its finally here. 😎👍
It’s Johno!
To be honest. I like Victron Energy Products in general.. This one as well. But i'm very disappointed with the price. Because for what it is worth it ..well That is just too much .
For 1/2 price you can buy similarly performing product..ofc not so fancy with so good software and all that ..but it will do what it was build for and that charging your EV. I hope Victron Energy will not start to be one of those greedy companies. I fully understand it is new thing now..but I really hope ppl will start thinking there and marketing will start thinking about customers in first place. Nobody( i said nobody .but that is not correct ppl with too much money will pay..but rest of the ppl will go to internet and will find out there are cheaper options with similar results) will pay 2k just for charger ..for that price you can get over 2kW panels..so yeah.. Sometimes too much is just too much I'm afraid.
Agreed
For half the price you buy a Fronius Wattpilot…
you are paying for the whole software side
Sad that it does not have the option of hard wired Ethernet connectivity! I would only buy one it if it had that.
for most electricians they mess that up
Do you hava a V2H way where I can both charge the car and use the car to charge my home?
I think such device attached to outdoors should support cable ethernet and PLC-data, power link communication over powerline. Wifi will get security issues and is easier to exploit.
I got 60m between carport and inverter shed, power over line or ethernet are clearly the best solutions. But wifi need to be there too for some situations, would be good to be able to choose.
but the ethernet cable is vunrable too if you want security the car can be hacked
Welcome back @jono!
Audio has a high pitch sound at times. Also, at 4:01 isn't that way of routing the power cable likely to cause water to wick into the building, increasing moisture? I understand a small loop in the cable shape can let water drip outside rather than go inside.
I think that high pitched noise is the charger.
@@hmallett That is the Renault ZOE charging
Victron is just so on top with there solar systems 👍
Missing an ethernet option and I can’t help but wonder why we don’t charge with DC when we store it in the house and drive with it. Converting to AC just for charging just seems… inefficient.
For the price, I would expected a neater inside as well, not with a cheap wire connector like that one.
yes, but dc charging requires another step, another addition to the charger. the charger is basically just let the 240v ac through and communicating with the car. so you need another switch mode part. then your installation will be an added 5000$ or so.
In America we do manually 50 AMP breakers in Homes! If you charger doesn’t seem to cut it!
can you write your statement in english that we understand?
@@ursodermatt8809 Most older homes don't have that kind of power and it gets expensive to in stall this in older homes!
Is V2G possible in the future?
Hello,
Someone using rhis charger with micro inverters drived by a mpii frequency shifting on the AC OUT ...? Does it work correctly and drive the micros according to power available ?
Hi this model have the reverse function, energy from car to home?
How much will it cost for home use and commercial use model
Kann ich statt WIFI auch VE.Direct verwenden? Ein Ethernet-Port wäre mir am liebsten!
Modbus TCP geht accespoint gesetzt (TP link omada) fertig
Ich glaube das VE.Direct nicht verwendet wurde, weil die Leitungslänge begrentzt ist. Allerdings fäde ich es auch super wenn man es einfach per RJ45 Port an das lokate LAN anschließen könnte.
Nice, but the Tesla charger is 500 Euro. I would love to buy this one if the rest of all systems will be Victron. Would love to add this one for integration. But ye, i already got the one from Tesla.
I have an off-grid system with one MP2 48/5000, OK. Let's say I buy an EVCS and the car now charges with say 3.7kW. The house draws 300W. From the roof comes DC-connected 8000W. Everything is fine. The MP2 fan is busy but the MP2 can handle it. Now we switch on a large consumer in the house. Let's say 2500W. The MP2 now has to supply 6500W. But it can only do this for a certain time, which is measured in seconds. What does the EVCS do? Does it stop charging the car until inverter power is available again or does the MP2 go into overload shutdown? (All without using Node-Red, which would then possibly be plan B).
Thanks for the help!
Hi, the charging station is receiving overload alarms and will reduce the power or even stop charging in this case
@@luciangplThanks for your help! That would be great! Can you provide a link where this is documented?
@der_ambergauer I can't add links here, but check the manual for "overload"
@@luciangplThanks. Will do!
@@luciangplIn the case explained here, car charge should reduce to let's say 1000W and let the appliance work normally. If charge stop then something is wrong with the system.
That hiss/whine. Wonder what it's doing to RF if my ears can hear it, hopefully that's all.
Amazing stuff. When will Will P be making a video on it?
Nice it has integrated detection for missing earth conductor, does this work on single and there phases installations?
Yes
if I have a EV with V2L, will the charger let me top up my house battery, if there is no sun shine ?
Does this charger have dynamic load?
Hi, is Vicron looking into supporting bi-directional charging now that several vehicles support V2L and V2G? Will this require hardware changes?
only possible with DC/CCS connection. V2L basicly doesn't need extra hardware. Just use the plug delivered by the car. I have never seen a plug both for V2L and charging in the same unit.
Victron, why don't to make an OCPP compliant charger?
It will be added later
Is that a card reader on the front?
Is this abe to take energy from the car battery? For use the car as a (emergency) battery.. obviously if the car is capable of this feature...
I would say no,
V2G are essentially inverters tapping into the ~300V car battery, slightly bigger in size than charging points
@VictronTech a) allow for remote 1p/2p/3p enabling at least in manual mode, many cars can take it and you get a seamless load from 1 x 6A to 3 x 32A, b) clean up the cabling inside for chrissake. It looks like intestines of a bug whose butt you just ripped off. I think both would be not only fair for 1500 EUR + VAT, but "market adequate".
I can buy this for 450€ here in europe.
@@honumoorea873 Yes, 1year later...
Your product link in description is outdated.
thanks for letting us know! Now changed: www.victronenergy.com/ev-charging
What measures have been taken for welding detection, and what happens if a contractor weld occurs?
Welded contactor is monitored and charging is disabled when this is happening.
Ab wann ist die Wallbox erhältlich?
good morning , it's weird this story, during my last email that I sent you, you replied that you only do 48V maximum and never high voltage ..... what about the blow ?
Help please when I put in the up address on my iPhone it doesn’t work should it be set up with android or does anyone know please??
Does it have an RFID function? Can cards be programmed to authorise charging?
No, but you can define multiple codes for users, each one limited by time and/or energy, codes that can be typed on the screen
How much? And where to buy?
www.victronenergy.com/where-to-buy
I love It
Groetjes van Ellie in space en Sandy Munro
Fuat uno Turbo and VOLVO
Excuse my lamguage
It is supporting Wifi wirh WPA3 already?
no, not for this version
What about security access so unauthorized people can't use your energy.
It can be locked with a code
turn it off, have a locked gate, get a dog , if that is your only worry.
@@ursodermatt8809 legal requirement for UK install since June 2022. From December, must also be encrypted too!
Gutes Video 👍🤗
Anybody using this totaly off-grid ?
Leider nicht wirklich gut, schon alleine die Montage ist sehr schlecht gelöst. Kein LAN Anschluss. Keine automatische Umschaltung 1-Phasig, 3-Phasiges laden, da nur ein Schütz verbaut ist.
Stimmt leider, das sind wir besser gewöhnt von Victron
Tou can make your own switxhing box....using interlocked contactors
how much for 22kw
the same like 7kwh single phase
my god, however much I love victron equipment, it's usually not in plain view. Could you not at least take some time to design something that doesnt look absolutely aweful to hang on a wall outside...
they have compact ones but this is the most reliable one
$900 for that is too much. Period.
PS Previous $2000 were just LOL
what else works with there system and allows the level of control to intergrate to the whole house
Lol...so stupid to charge from AC when we are off grid, so i got 10kW of PV and 2 rs450 but i can't charge my car with it..i need to go through a 15kW serie of inverters to be able charge my car..? Common, be smart please, passing through inverter i'll waste a lot of kWh not talking about the heat generated..! The noise...
This device should have 2 power entries, AC like it already as bit also DC 48V. Since not a lot of people will have their 48V battery pack near their car charger, at least make this DC input an option.
that is another dype and way more expensive also this allows you to limit the power to what the system can handel it can slow the charging if you have more load
I stopped watching soon as you said 40 amp circuit breaker
The standard allowes a charge rate of 6A to 32A in 1A steps. A 40A fuse is recommend if you want to pull 32A. If you set the max to 8A, you can have a 10A fuse.
yes, i agree with you, you definitively should not watch this video at all if you totally ignorant of electrical installation.
It has been tested to that
@@ursodermatt8809 they had it certified with that setup as a product