Microsoft Understands If You Plan to Keep Using Windows 10 After Support Ends in 2025
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Microsoft has quietly updated its official support page to now feature Windows 10, reminding you about the end of support on October 14, 2025: www.microsoft....
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They said Windows 10 will be "last os" so we, people understand this and we will keep using 10's.
and pay the fees when u need support...
@@adamtajhassam9188 There has been nothing I've needed support from Microsoft on over the past decade that they didn't put on my OS without my choice after forcing me off of Windows 7.
@@adamtajhassam9188 Yes, WHEN. That's the important word.
no they didn't said that. one of the devs said in their last Os, he said, referring to Win 10, but people wrong understand and thing that will be the last windows from Microsoft
Last good os
The switch from 10 to 11 will be the switch from 10 to Linux for me. The unsolicited encryption of my Win11 test computer and the announcement of Recall are the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Best thing about the encryption is they have all the power to take anyone's PC hostage. Our computers are not ours anymore in Windows world.
I'm planning to do the same, if I really need it I'll have another ssd with Windows for games. I don't even want to dual boot... I would like to have an easy way to swap them
keep hacking windows, make it more user friendly, pack it into a custom iso,
Windows 10 to MacOS. My devices are a decade old so I’m planning to upgrade soon, I was thinking about building my first PC but I’ve got my eyes on Mac and I want to try one for the first time! I think Mac can also run Asahi Linux so I’ll be using Linux as well for the first time. I’ll be buying a monitor for the first time, damn lots of first time stuff for me xD
tiny11 is amazing 😂
My Surface Go 1 runs better then ever on it haha
Windows 11 was so awesome i switched to linux almost 2 years ago....
and now you became what we always hated. a linux drone.
It's debatable, as a Linux user I find that both sides are full of drones. The Windows drones that struggle with a subtle but omnipresent pain while using their OS that at each turn goes after them and force themselves into believing that it's the best and intended way of using a PC, while the Linux drones struggle endlessly in search of a solution that could give back their freedom and power over the machine and finally just end in a bigger, golden cage they made themselves, just (allegedly) free of spyware. Like in every thing there's no perfect OS after all, you have just to pick your poison. One reason that people that choose Linux may end seem "cultish" to Windows users is just that people kinda tend to get drunk for the euphoria of making a choice that seemed impossible at a first glance, and may become etilitarist as a result. But you can get etilitarist even by feeling superior by not making a choice at all and masking it as bravery or "real freedom", and I've seen Windows user doing it A LOT.
To be honest, Linux ain't quite there yet. I'll wait when the titantic is about to sink.
Beginning to look like the biggest boost to Linux's popularity, has come from Microsoft.
Microsoft has been significant contributor to the Linux codebase for a long time. I never imagined that they'd also end up being a contributor of userbase.
@@jcrackification Microsoft only cares about Linux on the server and container, they are still an enemy of the desktop.
@jcrackification just for the pieces related to their own cloud offerings. They keep a few linux kernel developers going, so it's good anyway.
You are right so many windows users will go to linux just to write negative rewiev and get back to windows .....
Do you linuxers even realize that you dont suport even 10% of what windows users do ???
The moment user try to download a program or user program they are used to then realize they are scrued...
AND NO NORMAL USERS DONT KNOW HOW TO SET UP WINE......FFS
@@TheGUARDIANOFFOR Would you like a taller soapbox to whinge from?
The bottom line is that as PC costs went up, people would hang onto them for far longer.
On top of that, if you have a speedy, functional and capable machine (for your uses) why would you need to upgrade?
I have a 16 gig RAM, 4th gen i5 running server 2016 for testing and it is more than adequate. Do I throw it away because I can't upgrade? Heck no!
I do understand that security is an issue, but it seems to me that the push for constant upgrades may have hit against a wall made up of adequate hardware and adequate functionality which many people are OK with.
Nice
i have mine optiplex with 6 th gen i5 6600 and rtx 2060 with 64 gig ram and 2.5 tb ssd and 8 tb storage hdd works like charm
"security issues" Carl, then why are they incorporating RECALL in their OS, it's an app that records everything from your PC
they say it cant be hacked, where did we hear that before, thats also the reason many people are moving to linux
@@ronnyb5890 Well, we all know that "cannot be hacked" is just a nonsense phrase applied to software that the big boys don't want us to question.
My point is that the "need" for constant upgrades is no longer truly security driven, but profit-driven.
Instead of making what works well work better, they move on to something that works far worse, costs more and is LESS secure.
Complexity in code makes it so much harder to secure.
@@o_o6869 And right there is why I don't believe people should have to throw awesome hardware away just to upgrade. That's a great rig that doesn't deserve to become e-waste, until it dies of natural causes.
all our computers having win11 are now back to win10. Windows 10 will be last Microsoft OS we will be using. WIN11 is a real threat and is now banned in our workplace
fair
Windows recording everything you do is just begging for corporate espionage.
And what will your workplace do once security updates are ending? Will you be pulling the plug on the Internet then, or attempting to move everything over to a supported Linux distro?
@@SlavTiger I'm pretty sure they already have a Group Policy to block Recall.
Of course you have to make sure no other unauthorized screen recording software gets installed to prevent data exfiltration, especially considering there are now totally free options like OBS.
Are the conspiracy theories true? You have to show your work. I hate the enforcement about getting a new computer, but as for spying directly -well you have your history viewing anyway for years. What people have to show the evidence that if it goes even deeper and in what form.
I bought my Windows 10 devices under the pretense that it would be the last OS according to Microsoft. Feeling bait and switched now.
upgrade to Linux
Imagine paying for windows lol
Microsoft said Windows 10 is the last windows and that they love linux. they were correct on both counts.
Industry is suffering from OCD for ruining people's experiences with technology. Windows is one such example.
You can also migrate to Linux or move to Apple
@@markpoweski3470 Yes that's an option, however the idea was to show a general trend in the way industry is pushing technology that doesn't solve any problem, but complicates the existing simplified process.
Smartest decision Microsoft could make is to drop windows 11 instead and keep updating windows 10. Windows 11 is basically a worse reskinned version of windows 10 anyway.
Sadly Microsoft isn't really known to make smart decisions these days, like recently they've been doing a lot of bad things, such as closing down successful dev teams they purchased.
I think you're blindly criticizing an obvious design upgrade and technological innovation that comes with Windows 11, that is the windows are now rounded, which allows to make your windows take more space at no added cost. Obviously they needed more performant hardware to achieve such a feat. I for one, am perfectly happy to give up all my data and have ads in the start menu if it means I can be part of the future, and I think you're being blindfolded and fearmongered by Big Linux to cling onto old fashioned ideas like privacy and personal ownership. It's time to wake up...
@@eldonadI had a stroke reading that.
@@eldonad Bait used to be believable
😹
As a Linux user I’d like to thank Microsoft for all their hard work in pushing users away from Windows, keep up the good work.
@@christopherneufelt8971 There are tons of older computers that will run Linux fine. I won't be buying a new computer with any such processor. I have a stockpile of older hardware to choose from. My current desktop is over 12 years old, and I built it from scratch. I will not participate in any "dark ages."
@christopherneufelt8971 That's what you get from left-wing woke communist IT nerds that are power hungry. 👎
I came from a time without a computer and I can go back to it.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 How fast does it run? My brother has a 7 year old computer that runs windows 11 and it takes 15 minutes for it to start.
I am going to give Linux Mint a try. Never ever thought I'd say I'd consider moving to Linux !
I moved to Linux. Mint is really great os
Been using Mint for years but only moved my games from Win 10 to it this year, nearly all of them work for me so i'm happy enough.
If you burn it to a usb you can even try it out without installing it, YT vids documenting the process. 🙂
Good luck with that. 😀
I switched to Linux in 1998 I still have windows machine and macs around because i run my own consulting business. being savvy with everything means more clients. I have watched the Linux ecosystem evolve over the years and it's been a fun and wild ride. In 2024 i have seen more people announce they want to switch than in the past 26 years. no joke. I drop a few tips.
With Linux you have to be more aware of the parts inside and what chipset's they have. This is the opposite of how marketing wants consumers to think. You have to think the other way. Instead of buying what you want whenever you want it's better to research what works. I have had 23 years of rock solid systems. My first 2 years were a disaster as i tried to use what i wanted instead of what worked. The rule has been anything 2 years or older should for the most part work. however this rule is changing and hardware is being supported faster.
Next tip.. The community can be toxic or completely disconnected from what new users need. You will have to throw out at least 75% of the advice you get online.There are awesome people out there willing to help. There are also zealots and weirdo's giving allot of bad advice. typical of the internet these days.
One of the biggest mistakes is that users think linux is a desktop OS. It's not... it's just a core with an ecosystem around it. some are awesome and others are horrible. You can dress Linux any way you want. You can have 100 different desktops... It's a different paradigm that takes some getting used too.
Go for it! I'm running it in a VM at the moment and it's great. Plan to get a second ssd to dual boot and just use windows for games. Run it from a live usb first to see if your hardware works with it. I used Ventoy (you can store more that one iso on the usb if you want to give other distros a try).
Imagine if your car manufacturer forced you to buy a new vehicle every five years by the same methods microsuck uses.
By next year win 10 will be 10 years old. So this is nothing new regarding support.
Win 11 is free bud
@@Ked778you pay with data and personal info 😂
Planned obsolescence is a real thing...
I am sure Tesla would love that...
IF Microsoft want people to migrate over to Windows 11, then they need to drop the need for the TPM system. Given the cost of living crisis Microsoft are deluded if they think that most people are going to go out and buy a new PC.
The rest of that paragraph "we recommend", is a scare tactic. I didn't listen to previous recommendations and that is why I still use Windows 7 on a partition.
On a partition because you have so many things that won't run on 7 anymore?
I have XP in a virtual machine, partly because of the pinball game and partly because of some really old software that I like to play with.
@@soundspark You say that like it's a bad thing. There was some fun software years ago that you may not be old enough to remember.
@bite-sizedshorts9635 Most still runs on 10 and 11 however. Even that pinball game can be copied over and run just fine.
@@soundspark No. I have a Win 10 laptop that I knew could run better with Win 7, so I dual boot.
If you want to solve the problem, switch to Linux Mint.
ideally the debian edition.
Solve one problem, create a dozen new ones. Thanks, but no thanks.
@@samsowden i use ubuntu (the original one) and i like it more than any other distro
Tired of CUP errors everywhere... the most annoying os so far.
@@Crystanyeah lemme go buy a Mac for the first time and use MacOS… I already have an iPhone and AirPods so this will be great xD
Staying with 10 even after security patches end, once I get a new PC I will move on to Linux as main driver. Win11 just sucks too much.
One thing is certain ... Windows 11 is NOT happening on any computer I manage.
I used windows 7 way past it's end of support and had no problems. In fact I would still be using it today if it could be made to boot on my new computers.
I will use windows 10 the same way. I'll be running it until I'm forced by hardware to make the jump to something else ... and this time it will likely be something other than Microsoft. It is becoming apparent they don't have the first clue what their users need or want and are instead giving us whatever they think we should have.
Well said. I’ll see if paying for the extended support for 10 is worth it. It’s sad to see Windows like this. I grew up with Vista and sure it was buggy but it had potential, it was beautiful UI and was truly ahead of its time since most PCs couldn’t handle it and even if they could, that meant barely could so the performance clearly sucked. I unfortunately never got the chance to use 7 so we went to 8 and 8.1 and 10.
I was planning on building my first PC as my AIO has been with us for a decade using 8.1/10 and it’s old and can do just the basics (intel core i5, 5200U)
I’ll probably get my first Mac and play with it lol
I have to take issue with you here. Surely Microsoft are in tune with users' needs.
- Kim Kardashian . essential for all Windows users to know. Has she had lip filler this week?
- Is Taylor Swift up the duff?
- Ten Hollywood Celebs have joined Qanon! You need to know!
Only Windows 11 widgets bring you the answers and the hot bods!
[100 percent satire post in case people are deaf to tone in writing.]
@@rafaelacash7
I'm not paying for extended support. In fact I have automatic updates and all the other "phone home" crap turned off.
If your system is stable as it is... it will stay stable. No need to change anything.
@@musicalneptunian
ROFL ... I haven't seen an online ad in most of a decade. Ad Blockers are worth their weight in gold!
Hardware won't force me either. My current desktop is one I built over 12 years ago. It runs like new. I did replace the hard drive with an SSD a couple of years ago. I also have all my previous computers, any of which can be loaded up with Linux and do all I need. So I'm set for life as far as hardware and software.
Hello Linux my old friend, here I come back to you again!
'Sounds of Silence' was a great song.
never moving to 11, f microsoft.
When did I ever use Windows support anyway?
When they put back the features they took out, I'll think about it. Moveable task bar, drag and drop to the address bar in File Explorer, etc.
They like to copy Apple xD remember MacOS came first and then later Windows and Steve Jobs said to Gates that he was copying Apple and would get sued… but then Jobs was copying the Apple’s UI from somewhere else (i forget xD)
I’m not moving from 10 to 11 I’m moving to Linux it’s the only choice left now.
The other day I signed in and got a full page stating end of support and trying to redirect me to advertisements to buy a new Computer. How low can they go?
Windows 11 now will have Chat-GPT 5 with recall taking snapshots and screenshots of you're PC every few minutes / seconds for around 3 months depending on SDD/HDD space available to it. This is just a keylogger with adware and spyware, if you have a password manager open it will record that as an image and can be compromised, just as the MS cloud based services at MS have been by Chinese and One Drive is cloud based.
This an optional feature that everyone is saying it is compulsory, if it was that, it would mean Microsoft had turned suicidal. Let's be thruthful and not biased.
@@agostinhomatos321 well "thruthfully", we have no idea how the data is being logged and stored. License agreements being what they are, features about this can change how it is deployed at any time. And at the end of the day, you still have to trust that Microsoft is being truthful about a tool with these massive security implications and frankly, I think you'd be a fool to do that.
It just sets an incredibly grim precedent,
@@agostinhomatos321optional. Sure. For how long?
@@agostinhomatos321 yeah this is one of those optional features that steadily becomes baked in over time
@@agostinhomatos321 it's not only optional but will only be available in future PCs, no current device will support it (it will be for Snapdragon X chips and Lunar lake and future generations)
Fun fact: Downloading and activating Windows 10 LTSC is easier than ever (if you know what you're doing) and will get security support for a long time after October 2025
That "we understand" is just marketing language. I wouldn't be surprised if MS pivots by October next year and starts to introduce Win11 "features" to Win10 after realizing that Win11 market share isn't rising as much as they want. Nice video though, you gained a sub^^
Say more
Most likely they'll drop the tpm requirement.
Fun fact: Downloading and installing Linux is even easier than windows (if you know what you're doing)
Dude, you have to tell us more...
isos and activation means are available from massgravel
Linux just sounds Better and Better .
People have been saying that for 30 years.
But in my experience Linux on the Desktop is a pain as well.
@@rogerwilco2 Seems that it the intervening 30 years , some VERY Windows-like UI's have been produced .
Work basically the same in use .
Microsoft seem to be attempting to Commit Suicide .
Especially comdiring the Very Low uptake of w11 . But they are going to cease support anyway ?
It COULD be a " Scare Tactic " Marketting Ploy , of course .
A Blackmail attempt , to get Access to OUR data , that most people disable/deny .
If everyone just switched to Linux and simply stopped buying games and software that didn't run on it, the problem will work itself out very quickly. Either companies add Linux support, or they lose market share to companies who will.
Therein lies the rub. No one wants to switch because there's no support. There's no support, because the desktop market share for Linux is literally less than 4%. It's easy to tell people to "suck it up", but they're losing hundreds, even thousands of dollars worth of software in doing so, many of which don't have good replacements on Linux. It's actually cheaper to soak up a new PC purchase so they can retain access to all that stuff.
In many cases people are stuck with Windows or Mac for graphic production like Adobe or other creative purposes, or using Windows 11 because their companies require it. I would love to switch to Linux and there is software available but not the drivers for the specialized hardware required.
@@Crystan That's exactly what he means, a mass migration to Linux would act as a protest, showing software companies that they should support Linux
You do realize most computer users are happy with Windows 11, right? They’re old, have gray hair, rarely use UA-cam, and are retired.
It’s called old people. Everyone else was NEVER the intended target audience for Windows after the corpo shift.
@@Crystan The desktop market share is probably closer to 10%, Chrome OS is desktop Linux and half of Other are most likely Linux installs too. Remember a lot of people deal with sites that don't like Linux in the browser string and change their user agent settings. I'll even run MS Edge for certain sites on Linux Mint so they run correctly, think streaming sites with DRM trash built in.
More people are actually probably planning to leave Windows completely as they will just add all the spyware to it.
The social housing agency where I work has several hundred machines on Windows 10 plus a dozen or more custom applications, some of which we are unable to update since vendors are no longer in business. The organization undertook a complete evaluation of the replacement costs including application updates and rewrite, complete training and executive specialized training, disposal costs and data transfer costs. We came up at over a million dollars for the entire project. The organization's IT budget for one support person part-time is about $30,000. Needless to say they have concluded that there is no reason to update for the next decade or so. I retire in 7 years from my part-time IT support role.........
That'll not work out for you
@@incandescentwithrage I'll be retired before it is an issue.
I used W10 since day 1 and never asked MS for support. What I missed?
I've not swapped my desktop to Linux permanently because I had some issues with swapping from Nvidia to AMD. My laptop on the other hand had Win 11 and is now permanently on Linux Mint. It works well and reminds me of an updated XP or 7 machine from my childhood.
AMD and Radeon work perfectly, dont even need to install aditional drivers all working outof the box.
I have XP in a virtual machine in Windows 10 now. I was older and married when XP came out. My first PC was in 1989 running DOS, no Windows then.
Nvidia is showing more support for Linux drivers...give it a year or two and try again! I also run Mint on my Intel IGPU laptop, works great for web browsing and media consumption.
AMD on Linux is less hassle than Nvidia on Linux
Supposedly AMD has the drivers baked in, but I still had to install them for my 7900xtx with Mint. On Mint, at the least, you have a driver management section in settings just for Nvidia drivers. I had to run the AMD installer through the terminal because it doesn't have a GUI. Even after installing it the driver posed a problem as it won't let me set a 4k 60hz output without making a new display profile and setting a port to output it in terminal. I still don't know how to make that band-aid stick through a system restart. The Nvidia one just let me set 4k 60hz in the display properties menu like normal. Despite people bashing on Nvidia for not properly supporting Linux in general I had a much easier time getting my old 1080 working than my new 7900xtx.
This is the first time that Microsoft is keeping users from upgrading to a new version of because of arbitrary hardware requirements. I will stay on Windows 10 until my old computers die. The purpose of an O/S is to support the hardware and applications. Windows 11 thinks the hardware and applications need to support it.
No it isn't. It happened when Windows 95 came out. It wouldn't run or ran super slow on existing hardware. It was so bad, there was a song written about it: ua-cam.com/video/DOwQKWiRJAA/v-deo.html
No, not the first time. It's been this way since the birth of Windows NT, but you hit the nail on the head with that last part
I suspect they data mine one-drive. Even if they cannot get you onto 11 for it's enhanced spyware they would like to at least keep getting some of your data.
So far I've seen nothing, absolutely nothing, as a positive reason to "up" grade to Win 11; in fact there's a lot of information about Win 11 which makes it unacceptable to me. It's harder to configure the way I like it, it insists on sending my data to M$, it requires hardware that I don't have (or want,) the list of negatives goes on. What's the _good_ reason for installing Win 11?
The last time I looked forward to upgrading my OS was way back when I had an Amiga 2000. I still miss that beautiful OS, which allowed me to configure my computer the way I wanted it. So that's a hard "NO" from me about changing to Win 11; by the time support for 10 ends, hopefully some wizards out there will have worked out ways to defeat the obnoxious features of 11 so that it's usable!
i think either people will move on to linux or stay windows 10 unsupported if they keep doing what they are doing now ._.
I think they'll drop the TPM requirement for windows 11 in order to encourage people switching over. Having >50% of their users on an unsupported OS is a security nightmare.
Pretty sickening how they are pushing for people to trash systems that are just a few years old and can still handle newest games and the most demanding software. Shows how much microsoft cares for this planet.
Microsoft cares for Microsoft. It`s all about the $$$ .
They will also adopt Adobe`s shitty and corrupt subscription model with Windows 12.
Staying with Microsoft and their products (and any corporation that does the same) at this point is like staying in an abusive relationship and giving excuses for the abuser. Basically, Stockholm syndrome.
They could have anticipated the public reaction to these recent moves. I am intrigued as to WY they do this at all. Would love to have a look at their REAL agenda.
@@Caved111 They are part of the "elite" that want population reduction and total control. They are advancing in every way they can think of, one bit at a time.
i'm waiting for all the software i use to get proper linux support, im not willing to re-learn everything for new software and new fragmented workflows all over again, dont have time while having a job. the "vegan diet" of software isnt something that interests me
Agree
Me still using Windows 9 with full support for eternity 😎
"Nein!"
- Colonel Klink
This guy Windows
Pro-Tip: Right now start downloading Windows 10 and earlier version of Windows 11 Boot drive ISOs onto a flash drive.
That will at least ensure you keep older versions before they make drastic changes. They can also sell for a pretty penny in the future.
For example, finding Windows 10 version 1608 is next to impossible these days without risking a virus download.
Kind reminder: an enormous number of games work just fine on Linux nowadays with Lutris and/or Steam using Proton.
Um no...im using wine and bottles and most of my stuff just fails to install.. I've managed to get gta3 and sins of a solar empire installed and working....that of 50 I've tried
@@jameshurley224 are those non-steam games? because Steam on linux is mostly painless
@@jameshurley224 If you have games on Steam, Proton is integrated into the client distribution.
@@jameshurley224use steam proton by afding non steam apps on steam
I have 2 perfectly functioning PC's running Windows 10.
Though both are not compatible with Win 11.
Microsoft want me to run Win 11. More than happy to, if they'd like to buy me 2 new computers.
I like my task bar on the left. You can't put the task bar on the left in Windows 11. I moved to Ubuntu Linux 2.5 years ago. I have no regrets.
You absolutely can put the task bar on the left lol
There is a menu somewhere that allows you to move the bar to the left. I don't remember exactly, as I saw it in a video a few days ago, and I don't have 11, just 10.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 Well if they changed it, too late. Using Ubuntu now and like it.
About %70 of windows users are on windows 10.
Me too.
Nope. When Windows 10 goes EOL I'm going to linux FOR GOOD.
Microsoft: don't let the door hit'cha where the good lord split'cha!
Mint!
No problem, I'll just use Linux with an occasional W10 VM when required.
That was easy.
I have several old laptops that are very useful as tools. I have one doing video capture, and the old CPU is just fine. I can use my main PC for it, but why? Worst case is that I never connect it to the Internet
Wait when did they drop support for windows 7? I never noticed.
None of the computers I own are supported by Windows 11. If they want me to move up, they’ve got to lower the hardware requirements.
They forced almost everyone to buy new hardware when Windows 95 came out. It was so bad that there was a song about it: ua-cam.com/video/DOwQKWiRJAA/v-deo.html
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 and I used Windows 3.1 until 1999.
But you COULD attempt to install Windows 95 on your 486 If you wanted to. It would take all night to boot, but you could do it. I’ve seen someone try. Windows 11 locks out PCs that would otherwise support it just fine by requiring a TPM.
There's an official way to upgrade on unsupported hardware using a changed registry key. You can look it up and it will be on the official Microsoft website.
Even with all of the Win11 deficiencies the big issue is not so much using the free upgrade to Win11, the real issue is the idiotic requirement to throw away perfectly good hardware due to the lack of the special chip required by Win11.
Rather than pay for the paid security upgrade subscription most of us will likely move to Linux, setup a VM, reinstall Windows 10 and then use the Win11 upgrade relying on the "simulated chip” of the emulation layer that either exists or will likely be created before the windows EOL.
And that is if people don’t choose to simply stay on Win 10 without security updates, get hacked and then used for DDOS assaults on our infrastructure… until the gov’t flexes its muscle and tells Microsoft to stop being jerks and fix the issue to eliminate the national security problem.
I've never had any "security" problems with my computer. I built my desktop over 12 years ago, and it runs as well now as it did when I first fired it up. BTW, I assembled it, and it worked correctly at first power on.
The moment Microsoft stops the security patches you WILL start having security problems.
Perfectly good hardware is not 10 years old. It’s called upgrade and then you have way better parts to maybe make money with if you had an ounce of creativity in that thick skull of yours.
@@goofyahdemoman1134 Hardware is not 10 years old (maybe 5) and it is still able to handle pretty to handle pretty demanding stuff. The problem is Micro$oft, not the hardware.
Remember last time they were desperate, I got forced to windows 10 from 7.
How much you bet that Microsoft relaxes the update requirements last minute to get people to upgrade?
I still have Windows 7 & 8.1 machines. Some software important to me either would not run on later versions or I lost the keys. 7 still updates Security Essentials & 8 updates Defender. Both receive Malicious Software updates. I use Linux to do most browsing & a little on 10. My understanding is Microsoft knows there are a lot of machines still running older systems & they want to have some malware protection. I suspect they will continue this practice after 10 end of life.
I think they're saying, "We understand," as part of the marketing for offering paid security updates for the next 3 years, starting in 2025. We already have the Enterprise Business pricing. We're now waiting for what the consumer level pricing is.
I actually tried to upgrade my oldest pc to 11, but the CPU wasn’t supported
My computer is fully Tuxified since April 2024 with Linux Mint...
How is it doing? I want something Minty and fresh too! For me, using Vista, 8/8.1, 10 it’s time for a decade upgrade. I may go to Mac for my first time, just to play around with it and do some work too xD
@@rafaelacash7 Im dualbooting Zorin, it's ubuntu based but the interface looks alot like windows so it's easy to switch.
@@rafaelacash7 Apple stuff is way to expensive for what it does. You might want to get a regular laptop, load up a version of Linux, and start brand new. You'll have to go through a similar learning curve for a Mac, so you might as well try Linux.
I am dual booting Windows 10 LTSC IoT(Supported until 2031!) for certain games that do not work on Linux. It's almost the same as normal windows but with some missing software like Office and Microsoft store which you can download if needed.
I very much recommend using that if you're not switching to Linux or "upgrading" to Windows 11.
Win 11 since release, no problems with it but you need to do some settings overhaul.
I'm gonna be honest for me it doesn't change anything I'm already on W11 and I find it really cool, there is definitely a lot of improvements over W10 BUT what I find stupid is the fact they're forcing you to upgrade to W11 when maybe 2/3 of the W10 computers on the market are not compatible with W11 due to TPM 2.0 requirement, and unless you're bypassing the restriction (but I mean, the lambda user is not supposed to know about that), there is no choice apart from literally buying a new PC !
I'm currently looking to Linux, trying to find a version that supports verticle taskbar/panels, but, not having much luck finding anything close to the Windows 10 style taskbar.
try zorin os. that is very similar to windows
Most major desktop environments support it, just look it up
I don't know any Linux distro that doesn't support it...
Zorin or mint
@@alexbudulan4663 Yeah, seems like one of the best so far, will play around with it.
After the AI snapshot news I'm going back to 10
"We saw that in your recall" - Microsoft support.
Hey just a thing i wondered about when the support ends will one still in theory be able to use those most common anti virus malware programs?. One guy at a tech repair store told me that he still even this day uses windows 7 he said just install some anti virus program on it and have subscription. But but dont know if that is true?
This will help to a point.
@@brentech Like how?
Using an end-of-life Windows with some antivirus as protection is like treating multi-organ failure with smoking crack.
I'd upgrade but they won't let me. They say my i7-4790K isn't supported. Are they going to buy me a new computer?
No way , I feel the same as you
I wonder why people are switching from Windows to Linux? Why not Mac?
Mac is for rich people who have more money than sense. I wouldn't have one, if it was given to me for free. I would just sell it.
Terrible value. I bought a used Windows machine from a pawn shop with comparable specs to an entry-level MacBook Pro of last year, threw Linux on it, and it ended up being about a tenth of the cost of the comparable Mac. Sure, not everyone wants to buy a used machine, but even when it was new, it MSRP'd at $480. My laptop also had upgradable RAM, so I went from 8GB to 16GB for only $12. That's a lot less than the $200 Apple is asking for the same thing. In all, I spent about $150.
Never using Windows 11
Im not pc sharp but how to switch to Linux? Is there a DVD drive that you can buy?
It's time for me to start migrating my recording studio over to Linux. I'm not going to run Win11.
After AI bullcrap on Windows 11? Who cares about W11?
Microsoft knows, us Windows 10 users are just waiting for Windows 12, so we can follow the habit that has been engrained in to skip a Windows generation. As a Windows 10 user, I HATE.. like truly HATE Windows 11.
I never liked windows 10, used it for maybe 2 months. Windows 7 was state of the art.
Windows 7 and Linux Mint are two of the best Desktop operating systems!
My hardware cannot be upgraded to windows 11. Now what?
Zorin is an option too.
Windows 95/nt is fundamentally the first modern windows, if you can use windows 10 or 11, you can use 95. There isn't a single linux distro out there as intuitive to use as a 30 year old microsoft OS. Literally just make something intuitive with everything built in, it can even be super lightweight. 95 can technically function on a 16mhz 386sx and 4mb of ram. This is old gui technology. But the linux community just doesn't understand that they LOST. Imagine being a military and refusing to use a machine gun after everyone else adopted it. That is the linux community. They still expect the average user to use the terminal with 50 year old unix based syntax that was meant for mainframes before the invention of the microchip. Even ms dos was more intuitive than unix. The linux community is delusional.
It's a common misconception that you need to use the terminal. Virtually everything you could want to do can be done via the GUI. The terminal would only be necessary in similar situations as you would need in Windows. People just like to try to show off using the terminal (and honestly it's an extremely useful tool if you are a nerd).
I'm feeling ms will extend support to windows 10 after 2025 and retreat in the recall thing like they did to the xbox only being digital. I think it will coincide with the release of w12 the killing of w10. Anyways I'm already messing around with linux to see what I can do on it.
If it still worked well with new things, I would use Windows 7. I have a older system that "can't be upgraded to Windows 11. I am pretty glad I still have it.
they might verry well extend support for windows 10. Keep in mind that Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2030 and also til 2035 with extended payed updates.
There's also the Windows LTSC releases. Windows 11 LTSC came out recently and you can still install it on legacy hardware. No bloat, no MS shoving their garbage down my throat, and it's getting security updates well into the 2030s
Hi, can we use Windows 11 LTSC instead?
Yes
"Meat is getting worse, let's become vegan!" Thats how you Linuxer sound like. I would rather stay on an OS without updates before I deal with the arrogant Linux community:
"Oh you need a specific app? Well here are several gits, just compile the one you need. What do you mean you don't know how to do that? It's just some simple bash commands? What do you mean you don't know any bash commands? Why are you using Linux then lol?"
Screw that!
Tried Windows 11. It convinced me to switch to Linux on my machines. Just switched the last one over. Goodby Windows. Microsoft is really being stupid.
I need 10 for a few things, still. When it stops updating it will be cool.
We still have dozens of 15-year-old Lenovo T61s in daily use by front-line staff.....
I just installed W10 and I will not touch W11
Whats the reccomended Linux for steamgaming epicgaming and emulation?
Linux Mint Cinnamon is easy to use and Steam works out of the box. I've got it installed on an Intel iGPU laptop and even Crysis Warhead runs faster than it does under Windows 11.
I don't give a flying shit what Microshit "understands". Last time I used Winshit was 2010, then I switched to Linux and never looked back.
i'm considering moving to linux after the W10 support ends. but idk much about computer stuff. is linux easy to use for someone who isn't very 'techy'?
@@binpeuroha Yes, I would suggest a shortlist of 3 Linux distros designed for people who have never used Linux:
Linux Mint
Zorin
Ubuntu
The channel "switched to Linux" covers how to switch.
@@binpeuroha I would strongly suggest Linux Mint. It's great for people that coming from winshit.
I don't use it personally, but my mother 72 years of age that was majority winshit user for a long time converted to this 5 years ago (with my little help) and is using this to this day.
First thing you have to learn is that installing programs on linux is completely different than in winshit. You use package manager (common repository). Upside is that you use one program that has GUI (Graphical User Interface) to update your system and all applications at once.
It's much simpler, but requires different approach than jumping to random websites and checking if new version of some program is availible and this is also one of the reasons why linux is more secure than winshit.
@@binpeuroha Linux Mint is about the same as Windows 7. 99% of the stuff you use a computer for works out of the box, including Steam, MS Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Open Office, Gimp, VLC, etc.
@@binpeuroha Yes! Just be aware that some programs might not be available (such as Photoshop, some advanced functions of Excel, and a few games due to kernel-level anti-cheat), so check what you're planning to use. Rest assured, most everything you'd want is either available directly or has an (often better) open-source alternative, and for the few exceptions, you can always use a W10 dual boot setup or virtual machine.
Wait, the pay us or lose your data thing is still coming once bitlocker is enforced, then you will be tied down to Microsoft permanently or lose your data
Who ever needed or asked for their support or found it helpful? 🤷♂️
Vs.
Who didn't at least once try to deactive their autoupdate feature, only to see it self-reactive soon, or have multiple times their desktop and preferences reset to default by windows update without being asked a single f-ing time, with major slow down as result alongside other inconveniences?
If they offered rebates or a PC recycle program for older PCs on windows 10 it would make it easier for people who can't afford a new PC. SSD's have made older computers usable in 2024+. I mean even PC's 15 y/o or more are usable today if you just want to use YT and basic task. So most people wouldn't see any reason to upgrade as this is what most people do on their PCs.
I do all kinds of things on my desktop, and I built it over 12 years ago. I do a lot more than "most people" do on a computer. I maintain websites, research and write books, digitize analog audio tapes and records and clean them up, touch up old photographs, download files from Usenet newsgroups, record music from streaming sites, copy VHS tapes to DVD on a separate machine and put the results on the computer for video editing, and a lot more. I'm 70, but I'm far from being a typical user. The only upgrade I've done to my old desktop is to replace the hard drive with an SSD. I haven't really noticed a difference. I don't keep files on it anyway. I have a JBOD with eight 14TB drives in it, plus some separate external drives. I'm currently learning to use Blender and have a virtual machine with Windows XP in it right now.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 Yep I went from an e8400, to a 3770K to 10400, Ryzen 7600, and to tell you the honest truth other than maybe faster loading of web pages, and apps (we're talking seconds here). I don't really notice the difference from day to day usage as I still use all 3 PC's daily.
Gaming wise I can see the difference though.
I used to video edit 1080p video on my 3770k PC and while you can notice the upgrade to 10400f or 7600X the 3770K is still usable as I still video edit on that PC when I'm rendering on the others.
I don't know if my 3770K PC can handle blender, but it was fun to see how far I could push it.
I wanted to upgrade to Windows 11, but Microsoft doesn't allow me to. And no, I'm not replacing a perfectly capable laptop with plenty of RAM and storage.
we would all use linux if our games just worked with no hassle on it. ive used a microsoft account for awhile now that part doesnt bother me but many people want local account only , people dont want to start with bitlocker turned on , during the installation. People dont want AI copilot in everything slowing down the system. 11 could be my last windows but id need to figure out how to get battle net to work. i tried it on zorin and mint with lutris and battle net chat doesnt work and the games crash after the cinematic.
PortProton can run both Windows games and programs. It also has all kinds of emulators you can install.
Interesting to hear(was aiming to try zorin myself). I've also heard about bottles, something for linux that packs everything an app(or game) requires to run into one place(hence the name), separately for each individual app/game, perhaps it can work for you and let us know if it does or doesn't.
(I'll use your exact sentiment for switching or not when asked why no linux for me(yet)).
@@aleksevgenyyeah, you just need to be a programmer and CLI savy to do it
@@roklaca3138 No, you don't. You just need to install flatpak and then install PortProton. Simple.
we can use the windows 11 LTSC version,that version atleast it doesnt even require any TPM or secure boot
Missing in all the discussions about Win 11 is what advantage do users get from 11 or for that matter from Win 10 compared to Win 7. Personally if I had my druthers I'd still be using Win 7. To me Win 10 and 11 are downgrades.
Windows 10 is far better than windows 8 was. I had windows 8 on my desktop I built in 2015 and I had a very strong aversion to using it whatsoever and more often than not would use my older pc due to how bad I disdained windows 8 (Windows phone OS) Why is it that Microsoft just has to make drastic changes that nobody was asking for every other release? How about they just fix the things like sleep states, and optimize the operating software
@@donnydarko7624 I never got 8. I know an older guy who went from 7 to 8, and then got a computer guy to change it back for him.
If you don't need Windows specific apps, move to Linux.
do you recommend it to ppl who aren't very techy like me? my laptop is a 2019 acer model, and it's good enough for what i use it for. all i do in it is browse and write on ms word, literally. will i be able to use linux easily if i change os?
@@binpeuroha Most people start with Linux Mint, you can make a USB stick with Linux mint and boot it from the USB and play around with it with out installing it, may have to look what key have to press when booting up to boot from usb other then on the harddrive. so you can just play around with it see what app does what I use balenaEtcher to install a Linux distro on a usb stick. Even if your not very techy may learn a new thing or 2 about your laptop.
@@binpeuroha Yes. Linux Mint. Switched to Linux is a good YT channel.
And if you do, add WINE or other emulator to the machine.
@@binpeuroha WINE is a windows emulator that you can run in Linux and use Windows software. There are other emulators too.
I can't upgrade to win 11 some updates feature are stuck or fail to install on my desktop not check all time
My move won't be to Win 11; but will be to a Linux distro.
Wil run win 10 in a vm for sotware that has to run on windows and have no alternative way of running under Linux.
Looks like we're forced to use custom Windows 10/11 ISOs. I know some of you might be thinking "just use Linux", but let's be real, gaming and multimedia on Linux still aren't on the same level as Windows, especially for older CPUs with integrated GPUs like the Intel HD 4000.
I just can't update because my computer doesn't meet the requirements. Yet it works perfectly fine. Microsoft should really make a downscaled version of Windows 11 if they want people like me consider using it in forseable future!
You can update but you have to change a registry key. It can be found on the official Microsoft website. If you search for it, then just click the one that is documentation written by Microsoft and it is explained there.
then they will want us to move on to windows 12, 13, 14, etc. Also, if you're on win 10, why buy a new pc just for win 11? since now they will be making win 11+ copilot, with the new NPU. wow!!!
They did make almost everyone buy new computers for Windows 95. There was even a song about it: ua-cam.com/video/DOwQKWiRJAA/v-deo.html
Windows 10 LTSC or Linux it is.
Keeps Windows 10 on a separate drive for games that won't run on Linux, QED.