Also, Audrey needing to kinck the door twice to get out of the car is probably my favorite example of tiny "They didn't have to animate that but they did anyway" character moments.
Bit of a kick in the teeth for Atlantis that people praised Shrek for being unique and going off-brand and giving us something different from the usual Disney, and then yelled at Atlantis for also not being the usual Disney fare. Like yeah okay, you went to a pizza restaurant and got a burger. But it was a damn nice burger.
Its a weird thing, but can somehow be explained with the own statement. Dreamworks did what Disney didn't. And with Atlantis, **Disney** didn't do what **Disney** did.
Shrek literally wasn't Disney. It's a DreamWorks film. As a bona fide Disney film Atlantis: The Lost Empire was crapped on for going against the then-Disney grain.
Technically Sweet WAS the first to defect instead of Audrey. From the moment Rourke shoved the king, Sweet spent time off screen tying to ease his pain (internal bleeding, god Rourke how hard ya hit him?!) and was still in the royal chamber when the scene on the bridge was happening. However in the context of the scene yes, I agree it was heartwarming that Audrey was the first in the group that was leaving.
Also he didn‘t defect in the same way. He basicly did his duty as doctor and simply didn‘t stop mid saving attempt. They more or less left him behind but he was cool with it. Which is also an interesting detail. Aubrey is still the first one actively taking a stand and turning back instead of being left and not protesting
The reason this film didn't do well in the box office was that people back then didn't have taste. If Atlantis or Treasure Planet were released now (especially now) as 2D animated movies (or series more preferably 😎🤘) by Disney, it would have smashed it. Although I do like feeling nostalgic about both films. 😭
I think I'm with people who agree on two things: - There isn't enough Milo and the Crew moments to make it clear why he's the leader in the end. (also it is hard to root for him at the begining because the Academics GAVE him a chance but because of his mistake with translation they wasted tons of money and respect of people, also he is responsible for many deaths in this movie) - The lore of this movie is amazing. Thousands of years of history of already fallen civilization. More history before that. Many cultures finding Atlantis long before. So many characters, so many stories so many places to see and be amazed!!! And the movie is only 90 minutes. It should be at least 135.
The runtime is the single biggest flaw of the movie. The movie needed to be at least 30-40 minutes longer to develop all the characters and mythology and twists crammed into the movie. I think the movie has a lot of great ideas, but they aren't well developed at all due to the desire to keep the runtime so short.
Also, I never worried too much about the plot holes. I forgive a lot when magic is integrated into the plot well, and Atlantis made it clear that their magic was not only powerful, but sentient. I didn't have to suspend too much disbelief to imagine that the older gen of Atlanteans had died aside from the king, and their children had developed cave survival skills in lieu of reading and writing. I mean, the only reason reading and writing became widespread in the first place was the free time and resources provided by the industrial, and second agricultural revolutions. Before that, knowledge was oral traditions for all but the nobility. If a cataclysm destroyed all of the fields and farmlands, and left your civilization underpopulated in the ruins of a city, surrounded by water - you and your children might spend every waking moment hunting, fishing and trying not to starve. Even the settlers in early America didn't have time for Blues Clues, if you were 5 years old you woke up at 4AM and took the horses to pasture even before you had pancakes on your birthday.
The old ones might not have all died and simply silently followed the kings example. They might simply have felt the same way about where all their knowledge had lead them. And chose not to teach there kids, never again to repeat what destroyed them. Almost a feeling of unworthyness and a huge amount of guilt. Sage to assume all of them Lost someone when their empire killed itself. Also the people surviving would likely have been the rich and nobles. All that is left is the immediate sorrounding of the royal palace and the smallest inner most ring of the huuge city. And in the intro you see people in expensive cloths banging their fists against the shield not getting in. So in addition to where you might have lived in the city it‘s also luck on top. Cause if you were a few dozen meters too far down the street, you died.
Your reasoning is not too far off. If one studies, even if just in passing, the Bronze Age Collapse, one can see how civilizations can be brought down and things like books and knowledge disappear. To sum up the Bronze Age Collapse, it was the period where four great Bronze Age civilizations (the Egyptians, the Hittites, the Assyrians, and Mycenaeans) in the Eastern Mediterranean died out. Within the span of 50 years, writing disappeared, trade and economic activity ceased, pottery and the arts became archaic, great temples and monuments reduced to rubble, and even languages died out. Civilizations in this region wouldn't fully recover until 500 years after the collapse. I can easily see the after-affects of a civilization collapse, similar to the Bronze Age Collapse, happening to Atlantis. This would be especially true given how catastrophic the fall of Atlantis was depicted.
Thinking back on it, I think this movie is, among other reasons, is why I went into the field I'm going down now, classical and history studies, and archaeology. There's just something about the setting of a lost or decaying civilization that has always fascinated me. That and always being around museums when I was growing up!
Crystalized rourke will probably be one of my favorite "monsters" from disney. They gave us a look at how a villain's soul look like out of its both, and it was scary. Amazing movie
The culture losing it's knowledge is one thing I gradually learned was fact as I grew into adulthood. As family members, especially for children of immigrant families, so much knowledge is lost. You could counter with, but everyone in Atlantis has been alive, but even in our individual lives we forget so much over just 20 years of life, let alone thousands of years. The human capacity to remember is depressingly sad.
Kida was my favorite "princess" as a kid alongside Anastasia both of which my parents bought as VHS tapes from the bargain bins. Sure, I had various Disney films and their knock off VHS tapes on hand. But you know which movies I watched on repeat it until the damn tapes broke? Treasure Planet, Atlantis, and Anastasia. All are wonderfully mature and off beat for the Disney movies of the time and I thank them for instilling the idea that I could be kick ass even if I was a woman or from the wrong side of the tracks coming of age during the Paris Hilton craze. Pure gems and yeah they're flawed, but what movie isn't? Let's appreciate them for what they are - not what they aren't.
Anastasia wasn't made by Walt Disney Animation Studios, it was produced by Don Bluth for 20th Century Fox. Disney bought Fox, so I guess that makes her a Disney princess now, but that wasn't the case back then
@@nostalgiaworks5999 yeah, I know. But I still lump her in with princesses from childhood since she was a princess. At the age of 6 had no concept of production studios and who owned what.
I think my dad bought this movie either on VHS or DVD, I can't exactly remember. Even though I pretty much had no idea what was going on because I was so young, the movie cemented my love for sci-fi/fantasy action adventure. I'm glad it gets the recognition it always deserved now - thank you for making this video!
yeahhh gonna agree with you there.... Kida was definitely an awakening moment for young Pyro. Didn't even know I liked girls yet and boom, "you do swim, do you not?" lol
I know it's a severely unpopular opinion, but I love Brother Bear, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet way more than The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin. Side note: I met Tab Murphy (the screenwriter) at a convention this year and got to hear him talk about the Disney films he worked on at his panel. It was so cool!
The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are *boring*. Aladdin also to solve extent. Atlantis and Treasure Planet are BRILLIANT ADVENTURES! I do so have a soft spot for those.
I respect your opinion, but those older movies are definitely NOT boring. What made those older movies great was that they were simple, but deep enough for audiences to feel for the characters. These later movies, while I really like them and love that the directors took risks with them, have some severe flaws that prevent them from being masterpieces. One of which is of course the less time spent with some of the side characters and the other is really its convoluted plot. I didn’t feel this film was very simple, I felt it was a bit bloated not because it was hard to understand, but because there is just so much going on that it gets a bit messy to follow. Again, I am not bashing this film, like I said, I really like it and think it is underrated, I just couldn’t for the life of me follow everything when there is so much going on. At the same time, comparing this to a lot of newer Disney films, I can agree there was so much more passion and creativity put into Atlantis, that most movies nowadays never reach.
Why does an entire civilization lose the ability to read overnight? It's not overnight, it's over the course of 3000 years, and it's likely due to a combination of factors. The old chief is likely to discourage knowledge of the past as that is what put them in their current perdicament from the start. At the same time they have also lived for 3000 years in a very isolated space and seem to have somewhat little time and little need for reading etc. How can they breathe down there? Do you not see the ample amounts of vegetation and water? Algae and seaweed can also use photosynthesis and release oxygen. The giant fish monster... I don't know, that doesn't matter too much. They likely didn't need to hide it too much if we assume they returned to whatever private dock the rich guy has that they left from. How are these people 3000 years old but also incredibly naive. Because they are 3000 years old and have spent that time in what's essentially an isolated utopian society. Also if we extrapolate the ages we see that Kida was a tiny kid 3000 years ago and now she's at least very adult looking. Compare her age appearance to many other atlanteans and it's possible that they were mostly surviving children or adolescents. Not directly explained but not too far fetched in my opinion.
17:23 Love how you specifically said “in the west” But there was Beavis and Butt Head and King of the Hill- my dad loved animation my whole life ! Still was much less adult accepted
Plot-hole debunk: How does a civilization lose its ability to read and write overnight?: Well, not overnight but over hundreds of years. Their civilization was destroyed, its people had to scavenge and scrap for food. The high portion of the population that needs to scavenge for food means less people will be able to do literary work; not that there was much use for now: they have been isolated from the world to the point that there was little reason to write. Combine these conditions with the fact it happened hundreds of years during which language changes and it will be very much possible to lose the written language of your culture. How can they breath down there?: The reason why there is an air pocket under the sea is explained in the movie, if your question is about oxygen: There are plants! Like a lot of plants surrounding the city of Atlantis, which all produce oxygen by photosynthesis (made possible by the light in the cave). Hide flying fish: Not that hard; its the 1910's, 1920's(?). Put it on you ship and place it in a warehouse while covered by a canvas, there are no spy satellites. Naive people: culture, and they were not that naive. Just clueless because they have been isolated for hundreds of years. Personally I don't find any plot-holes, just people not thinking hard enough. (yes I do care too much about this movie)
this movie has a cult level following and i am happy to find this movie in a second hand store when i did. this movie is still super underrated and more people need to see it. it's fun, well animeted and the behind the scene's in this movie are better and have more depth in it than the modern disney sluds that we get nowadays. WATCH THE FREAKING BEHIND THE SCENE'S OF THE MOVIE WHEN YOU CAN! i am happy that i found this in a second hand store and watched it when i was younger.
"Kida is yet another animated heroine in the growing list of reasons for why I'm attracted to the type of women that I am" I come to these videos to enjoy essays about my childhood classics not to be fucking called out like that, jesus...
Atlantis and Treasure Planet being undervalued and the rise of Gritty Realism Comics movies are all evidence that people don't understand the style of or know about the pulp novels from the early 20th century
This film failed, but I really liked it as a kid. Then Treasure planet came out then, and I liked that one but it failed. Why do people hate animated adventure movies so much?🤔
Also the voice cast were amazing! I love Michael J. Fox as Milo and freaking Leonard Nimoy as the king. Then of course Cree Summer as Kida is amazing in everything she’s in.
We consider it a failure because it was called that, but $126M on $120M budget compared to billions lost for modern entertainment? This movie was an astounding timeless success in retrospect.
Disney should make an extended cut/animated rewrite of the movie that has the same look as the original, but with the 155 page (2.5 hours) long runtime from the first draft during production, that fixes the problems with the original (such as by adding more character development and other stuff) instead of doing a live-action remake. It could probably be a success for older audiences if Disney markets it for teens, and the (animated) theatrical sequel idea from before Atlantis bombed at the box office would probably be revived.
People can complain about the pacing of this movie all they want but they had a lot of content to stuff into the movie. The lore of Atlantis real and fabricated is overwhelming. And that doesn’t include the long journey of arriving to the city. Milo only spent one night in Atlantis and I fell in love with it (and low key kida )within that short time and despite everything that happens so fast there is a whole story of questions and lore that remains to be discovered. This makes the sequel a disappointment in many regards but the original was so good and could be expanded into a movie series like avatar
You see. The plan was that this movie would be a prequel to the Atlansis animation series that was supposed to follow after the movie. The series was supposed to be episodes where they go explore the misteries and myths of the world, which is where the vharacter development should have happened. But the series was canceled, and the two semi-complete episodes were rushed and then stuck together as the "second movie of atlantis". So yeh. The atlantis franchise wasnt given enough love by the community :/
Kida man, late 1990s early 2000s animated women were built different, they always had something in store for the adults tolerating the movie with their kids.
9:38 team chosen on skill, not age/gender/race: an IRL parallel, Norway's Amundsen South Pole trek! He chose by ability & skill and won. Captain Scott (UK) chose by rank & loyalty; his team died.
I remember really wanting to go see this when it came out but not being able to. My friends also wanted to see the movie but their parents refused to take them because it looked like it had too much action and might be scary. At least for me it was because my brother was a toddler and we couldn’t just leave him at home. My parents would have taken me if he’d been older and able to tag along. I might have been 5 or 6 at the time.
Atlantis is probably my favourite disney movie of the 2d era, with the emperor's new groove as a close second, probably for the same reason's that I like the original Mummy movies- they're very fun and have cool aesthetics great enough to override the flaws. Treasure Planet would probably vi for second place if I'd seen it when I was a kid but I only watched it for the first time a few years ago so it's missing the nostalgia factor unfortunately
Also, its ironic that the bad thing about the villain was that he just wants money in the end. And the series was not continued because it wasnt making enough money.
This movie was one of my favorites growing up, and I think you can put it in the merriam webster next to 'ahead of it's time', because this kind of movie would smash with today's audience. It's got some pacing issues, and plot holes, but man I love it. PS, do Rise of the Guardians next. That movie is amazing and we NEED more people talking about it
I love this movie and I love the fact that your channel talks about these movies Atlantis treasure planet the prince of Egypt thank you for giving a shout out to movies I that captured my wonder amazement and joy I will admit I did find this channel searching for arcane videos though lol
ROURKE is one syllable, not Rour-ik. Otherwise, KUDOS!👏👏 I just saw a host brutalize his own Atlantis review, just tiny movie snippets woven with *harangues!* Yours is dignified & heartfelt.
As a child I love the Kida character so much! I love the utopian scenery in Atlantis. I love the Atlantis vibrant colors and their history…. It felt like I was in a dream. 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
"The only Disney twist villain that actually works." Hold on now. The King Candy twist also worked extremely well. But that said, great essay, my dude. I love this movie.
A legend that spawned conspiracy theories, which were again used as inspiration for this movie. They definitely built on more than just the original Plato story.
The worldbuilding of Atlantis is super brilliant...imagine building a whole new civilization based on an excerpt from a famous philospher and instead of designing it based from its source material's culture but through an amalgamation of other cultures that are deemed too alien for western historians at that time when the movie takes place is such brilliant...like SUPER BRILLIANT.
My favourite movie in childhood. I wish they could have added more lore about the cristal and Atlantis in general. That scene of the underwater mosaic is absolutely beautiful, we needed more
Ive been obsessed with this film since i was an actual infant and im always glad to see others talking about it I genuinely think the characters here and in road to el dorado made me who i am today (specifically a female mix between Milo and Miguel)
8:07 Mole is a geologist. He's not even a stereotype or spin on one, geologists are just like that. 8:50 was watching this movie a few years ago with my family. My mother is in a similar job to Ms. Packard. Apparently that one is also on brand to reality like Mole.
Dude....that beam there and the explosion afterwards just shows what Disney Pictures was capable of back then. Looks so god damn amazing, imma just go ahead and put it on the same step with Ramiel from Evangelion
I've actually never heard that Mr.Whitmore theory before. I always saw them as like brothers from another mother. I've also seen friendships that close before so that was just very interesting to me.
I miss the times when they were genuinely having fun with the dubbing. Mrs. Packard in the German dub gets a mean Berlin accent and those two sharks in finding Nemo were voiced by a Bavarian comedy duo.
This movie is definitely a criminally overlooked movie. It was probably very much ahead of its time. If the ENTIRE storyline of Avatar was basically ripped from it, you know Trousdale/Wise were on to something special. Having a somewhat geeky hero was quite refreshing, and they did the whole ethnically diverse crew of main characters LONG before Hollywood embraced this topic. The villain is pretty generic, but boy he was pure evil. And so effective he became the exact inspiration for the villain of the most popular film of all time (Avatar). Let's be honest, Stephen Lang got the part because he looks like the cartoon character.
I don't know ANYTING about this channel but the experience and the fact that it seems thAt WE WATCHED the same movie this long ago and LOVED IT!!! and then in 2023 still being ignored.... Classic Disney : Aladin Modern Disney: Kida/Milo Uber Disney : eh....Sam Witwer
Atlantis and Treasure Planet were the best Disney movies. Also, Milo is basically Daniel Jackson from Stargate. They *have* to have taken inspiration from Stargate. Also, the reason the Atlanteans lost the ability to read and write, and also why they could no longer control their own technology, is because they lost the crystal tech in the fall along with the vast majority of their records and base of scientific personnel. They were basically launched back to the stone age by a proto-nuke and barely survived by shielding themselves and getting encased in volcanic stone. The "how do they have enough O2" thing is harder to hand wave but ultimately it doesn't seem that infeasible to me tbh.
For me, I always enjoyed it because I also love Nadia - The secret of Blue Water, an anime series that also uses the Atlantis myth to tell a science fiction story. So, in a way this was a nice bonus to further fuel my interest in ancient myths and history.
Speaking of Nadia, did you know that this film got a bit of flak for having supposedly ripping off Nadia, even though both films were inspired (in form or another) by the Jules Verne novel "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"?
As a kid (~7 years old), this game was my go-to everytime I wanted to watch a movie, I broke a DVD, rest in peace little dvd than got corrupted because I watched too much the game. Currently on the top of my 19 years, I found another DVD at 0.50€, the urge to watch it again was too high, and oh boy, I fell in love the exact same way I did as a kid. Now I understand a lot more why I LOVE exploration games and series, I played the whole Xenoblade trilogy and the two Horizon games, but why? Because their is a lore, there is a fallen civilisation, and we discover the past, how they had fallen, why, and the mots important: What now? This isn't just "oh yeah they existed... ANYWAY", it's more like "They existed, here is why [...] you'll learn more the more you go deep into" and THAT is a mark of someone who loves his job If the dialog are great, it's incredible with the french voice casting, they took accent that perfectly fit, and they didn't just translated the sentences from english, no, they adapted the dialog, and that little touch makes it so much better. I often blame new films for their lack of work, their laziness, where the money is more important that the film itself; For this movie, the dialog, the lore, the little details, that makes all the difference Now, hear me out, who want to go to Iceland?
Something I had an Epiphany on recently. Is it doesn't really matter? If these super good movies didn't make a lot of money, we didn't lose anything. We still got the really good movie. It's the people that put in all the work that lost out on something like recognition that may suck for that individual. But I'm pretty sure they still made a shitload of money regardless, so What's the point of caring? If a super good movie doesn't do well in theaters
This was my childhood It was my favorite movie for a long time and remains my favorite Disney movie to this day, I adore the characters and the flow of the film and just its so much fun I have watched this movie and then immediately started it over to watch again multiple times
What I really like about the movie is how they portrayed Sweet. Nowadays black characters are all super-puper geniuses and good people just because they're black (compare Black Panther 2 and Iron Heart). On the other hand, Sweet studied medicine in a college and then served as a doctor on the war front. So we see a specialist who went a hard way of studying and working, which for me is really cool and it also gives motivation. I love Atlantis
I would support a live action re-make of this film if they don't cut anything... They are allowed to add more story telling, just not cut out anything.
The idea of an entire civilization collapsing over a very powerful technology in today's context it's chilling. Makes me be more sacred of AI than before.
this film is so precious to me, i appreciate this lovely video AND THE USE OF THE ARCANE SOUNDTRACK IN THE BACKROUND, ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!! thank you :D
Despite the movie being flawed, I love it to death! Same thing with The Tomorrow War, something you just wanna turn your brain off and enjoy a good movie.
I actually love the character of Kida. The main criticism I've come across is that she is passive and doesn't have agency. To me that's a traditionally Western narrative, that a princess needs to be a "girl boss", to find her voice and stand up for herself. Kida is a princess of a lost ancient kingdom, which means she's closer to being a deity than a human. We're not supposed to understand her, she's mystical, just like Atlantis is. Milo is the one who is supposed to find his voice, Kida has always had it, it's her people who have been silenced. Other than that, my main problem with the movie is the white savior trope.
Among all superb Atlantis voice actors, I'm a proud Canadian🇨🇦 for Michael J. Fox's exemplary Milo AND I honour eternal nice-guy James Garner for his terrific best-of-breed twist villain!
I've never heard someone call Atlantis a "masterpiece" flawed or not. I had such high hopes for Atlantis when it released but walked out of theater extremely let down and depressed.I really wish it was as god as Raider of the Lost Ark, but it's nowhere near as good. There is a reason why one of those films is a still beloved and getting sequels and the other is not.
Basically everything Disney made back when it didn’t perform it’s best are now considered classics and under appreciated like iron giant, treasure planet and Atlantis. My only gripe with this movie is that is feels WAY too short. To bad Disney be making that doodoo now.
@@untunedguitar45 you’re right…but doesn’t change the fact that iron giant is still an amazing movie that was heavily under appreciated. But you’re still right.
The amount of influence this movie has on my stories is wack. I remember being so confused as a kid when ppl told me this movie was a flop. Like. Are we watching the same movie??
It falls short in my mind because it has the same flaw too many animated movies have nowadays - too many characters, not enough plot for all of them. They fill the sub with all of these colorful characters but almost none of them serve any purpose other than being comic relief. That's the only thing that ruins this movie for me.
@@kribyy7784 No. The old animated movies from Disney are just European folk tales retold (ex. Pinoccio), some are even rip offs (ex. Lion King ripping off Kimba the White Lion) and the 3D animated movies were done by 3rd parties. The current Disney movies are garbage. Disney was never good, the few actually original movies (ex. Atlantis and Treasure Planet) were squashed because of profit reasons.
@@RobleViejo The Lion King isn't a ripoff of Kimba, that's just an old myth pushed by people that don't know what they're talking about. YourMovieSucks actually did an amazing job dissecting that claim and where all of it's points originate. Highly recommend it, please do check it out! Disney has also been making original animated movies since Lady and the Tramp of 1955, as well as the musical collections prior and beyond. Then there's Fox an the Hound, The Rescuers, 101 Dalmatians, Brave Little Toaster, A Goofy Movie and it's sequel... not to mention, Treasure Planet is based off of the Treasure Island book, which was an old English story from the 1880s. Adaptation doesn't make a product bad, however I will say that Treasure Planet is much more transformative than something like Pinocchio. All stories are derivative to some degree, it's impossible to create something truly original. However, you can take more creative spins on a concept and make something that is fresh compared to what you're taking from, and early Disney did that to some degree? I'd say they're much better about it now than they were in the 40s and 50s, but that's just me splitting hairs. As for Disney's CG putout, there's a lot of variety in quality, just as there was in the 2D animated library. For every Encanto and Wreck-It Ralph Disney puts out into the world there's a Chicken Little or Ralph Breaks The Internet out there. You can't just simply say "New Disney bad," there's nuance to the quality of modern films. Especially when the quality of such films can be easily debated upon, labeling all of their output as "garbage" is failing to see the products actually in front of you. As for other studios Disney's acquired, they still had their influence on Disney. Pixar maintained it's deal with Disney after Chicken Little, despite them seeing Chicken Little as a failure. Pixar and Disney have continued to influence each other in terms of pushing CG animation to new heights and certain writing flairs (twist villains being the most obvious and most contentious). "Disney was never good" is a rather loaded statement, but one I don't completely disagree with? Disney has always been in the business of marketing itself as an integral part of your childhood, and that Disney is a brand you loved as a child. That's just tactics of marketing, however when you're older it's good to bring a critical eye to content you liked as a kid. When I was a little girl I adored Disney's Chicken Little, and now that I'm an adult I can easily see it's flaws and no longer consider it a good film. Disney has always been in the business of adaptation and inspiration for it's films, as that's merely how the creative process works. Most animation studios have this same sort of library that's a mix of original and adapted/inspired works, Dreamwork's two biggest franchises (Shrek and How To Train Your Dragon) are both directly taking ideas from books. Does that suddenly mean I can handwave them for being "just other people's books retold?" No, because there's still merit to the art at hand. As for Disney's profit motive, that's corporate entities in general. Disney at the time was dealing with the back and forths on the higher level, and Eisner is essentially a Disney villain incarnate that was CEO of the company for nearly twenty years. And Disney sabotaging films is nothing new, they've been ruthless towards their adversaries in ways as well. When Anastasia was going to release in theatres, Disney rereleased The Little Mermaid on the same weekend to cripple it's financial potential. So... seeing them try to maintain the brand after Atlantis underperforms and sabotaging Treasure Planet to ensure gambles that big aren't done again isn't surprising. It's evil, and it directly harmed content I love dear, but you should never expect corporate entities to be kind towards artists when their profit line is even remotely risked. In short... no. Old Disney wasn't exclusively old European folk takes, current Disney movies aren't a quality monolith, Disney has made great things in every era of their existence, and not all of their great art has been crushed for monetary purposes (but corporate entities are scum, so it's not surprising they do this sometimes).
I saw Atlantis and it's sequel as a kid and I loved them. I really liked the sequel and I wish that it too had people willing to defend it like this one does.
I am SOOOO Grateful to have had my GodMother, who had a list of movies that I could pick from to watch, and this was on that List!! I even liked the 2nd one too! Good job Disney!!!
I'm happy to have looked for reviews on this movie, I saw it when I was 7, in 2001, and I rewatched it more times during my life. I agree with practically everything said in the video and it's a shame that it didn't have more succes
Movie had lots of deaths I can immagine that some more sensitive children could be traumatized by it but I think it is a marvelous film for a ten year old
My only criticism of this movie is Audrey's character design. She's the only one without nasal ala and the only one with the weird line on the tip of her nose. So out of place. Dr Sweet is also black but he didn't have that problem.
Joe you should watch Tron Legacy if you haven't already, I can tell by your cowboy bebop and disney's atlantis video that you would love that movie, and if I could vote Id vote that you make a video on Tron Legacy next
Yea but the problem is this movie was good but what it did was copy some of the stuff of an anime secret of blue water was an old anime that was something with Atlantis and 20,000 leagues under the sea
I saw this in second grade when my parents ordered in on Netflix mail subscription in 2008-2009 and I could not help but adore this film. I couldn’t name why but I just did. Now I can via praise for characters, design, worldbuilding, and just things that make you go ooooh aaah Also Helga was a gay awakening
I couldn't get past the odd character look, particularly the square fingers. Which is a shame, because the rest of it is amazing. Just too much contrast of styles, to the point of jerking me out of enjoyment over and over. Alas...
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Also, Audrey needing to kinck the door twice to get out of the car is probably my favorite example of tiny "They didn't have to animate that but they did anyway" character moments.
yoooo youa re the dud that makes that alien comic
Bit of a kick in the teeth for Atlantis that people praised Shrek for being unique and going off-brand and giving us something different from the usual Disney, and then yelled at Atlantis for also not being the usual Disney fare. Like yeah okay, you went to a pizza restaurant and got a burger. But it was a damn nice burger.
And I’ll never understand that reasoning.
Its a weird thing, but can somehow be explained with the own statement. Dreamworks did what Disney didn't. And with Atlantis, **Disney** didn't do what **Disney** did.
Shrek literally wasn't Disney. It's a DreamWorks film. As a bona fide Disney film Atlantis: The Lost Empire was crapped on for going against the then-Disney grain.
I am a professional geologist, and I can assure you Mole is the most accurate portrayal of a geologist in cinema
That is halarious to know🤣
Technically Sweet WAS the first to defect instead of Audrey. From the moment Rourke shoved the king, Sweet spent time off screen tying to ease his pain (internal bleeding, god Rourke how hard ya hit him?!) and was still in the royal chamber when the scene on the bridge was happening.
However in the context of the scene yes, I agree it was heartwarming that Audrey was the first in the group that was leaving.
Also he didn‘t defect in the same way. He basicly did his duty as doctor and simply didn‘t stop mid saving attempt. They more or less left him behind but he was cool with it. Which is also an interesting detail. Aubrey is still the first one actively taking a stand and turning back instead of being left and not protesting
The reason this film didn't do well in the box office was that people back then didn't have taste. If Atlantis or Treasure Planet were released now (especially now) as 2D animated movies (or series more preferably 😎🤘) by Disney, it would have smashed it. Although I do like feeling nostalgic about both films. 😭
I love both films for different reasons. And I wish I saw them growing up when the released rather than later on
I'm afraid most people still don't have taste xD
The second film of Atlantis was made up of the two episodes of the canceled Atlantis series
During that era until Spirited Away won an Oscar. @@FireRevontulet
@@AFlyingWalrusAtlantis reminds me of Miyazaki. Flying crystal? Happy-go-lucky/strong girl? Steampunk?
I think I'm with people who agree on two things:
- There isn't enough Milo and the Crew moments to make it clear why he's the leader in the end. (also it is hard to root for him at the begining because the Academics GAVE him a chance but because of his mistake with translation they wasted tons of money and respect of people, also he is responsible for many deaths in this movie)
- The lore of this movie is amazing. Thousands of years of history of already fallen civilization. More history before that. Many cultures finding Atlantis long before. So many characters, so many stories so many places to see and be amazed!!! And the movie is only 90 minutes.
It should be at least 135.
The runtime is the single biggest flaw of the movie. The movie needed to be at least 30-40 minutes longer to develop all the characters and mythology and twists crammed into the movie. I think the movie has a lot of great ideas, but they aren't well developed at all due to the desire to keep the runtime so short.
Also, I never worried too much about the plot holes.
I forgive a lot when magic is integrated into the plot well, and Atlantis made it clear that their magic was not only powerful, but sentient.
I didn't have to suspend too much disbelief to imagine that the older gen of Atlanteans had died aside from the king, and their children had developed cave survival skills in lieu of reading and writing.
I mean, the only reason reading and writing became widespread in the first place was the free time and resources provided by the industrial, and second agricultural revolutions. Before that, knowledge was oral traditions for all but the nobility.
If a cataclysm destroyed all of the fields and farmlands, and left your civilization underpopulated in the ruins of a city, surrounded by water - you and your children might spend every waking moment hunting, fishing and trying not to starve.
Even the settlers in early America didn't have time for Blues Clues, if you were 5 years old you woke up at 4AM and took the horses to pasture even before you had pancakes on your birthday.
The old ones might not have all died and simply silently followed the kings example. They might simply have felt the same way about where all their knowledge had lead them. And chose not to teach there kids, never again to repeat what destroyed them. Almost a feeling of unworthyness and a huge amount of guilt. Sage to assume all of them Lost someone when their empire killed itself.
Also the people surviving would likely have been the rich and nobles. All that is left is the immediate sorrounding of the royal palace and the smallest inner most ring of the huuge city. And in the intro you see people in expensive cloths banging their fists against the shield not getting in. So in addition to where you might have lived in the city it‘s also luck on top. Cause if you were a few dozen meters too far down the street, you died.
Your reasoning is not too far off. If one studies, even if just in passing, the Bronze Age Collapse, one can see how civilizations can be brought down and things like books and knowledge disappear. To sum up the Bronze Age Collapse, it was the period where four great Bronze Age civilizations (the Egyptians, the Hittites, the Assyrians, and Mycenaeans) in the Eastern Mediterranean died out. Within the span of 50 years, writing disappeared, trade and economic activity ceased, pottery and the arts became archaic, great temples and monuments reduced to rubble, and even languages died out. Civilizations in this region wouldn't fully recover until 500 years after the collapse. I can easily see the after-affects of a civilization collapse, similar to the Bronze Age Collapse, happening to Atlantis. This would be especially true given how catastrophic the fall of Atlantis was depicted.
Thinking back on it, I think this movie is, among other reasons, is why I went into the field I'm going down now, classical and history studies, and archaeology. There's just something about the setting of a lost or decaying civilization that has always fascinated me. That and always being around museums when I was growing up!
That's AMAZING! I'm not in archaeology myself, but I do always find it so very cool! 🤠
Crystalized rourke will probably be one of my favorite "monsters" from disney.
They gave us a look at how a villain's soul look like out of its both, and it was scary.
Amazing movie
The culture losing it's knowledge is one thing I gradually learned was fact as I grew into adulthood. As family members, especially for children of immigrant families, so much knowledge is lost. You could counter with, but everyone in Atlantis has been alive, but even in our individual lives we forget so much over just 20 years of life, let alone thousands of years. The human capacity to remember is depressingly sad.
Kida was my favorite "princess" as a kid alongside Anastasia both of which my parents bought as VHS tapes from the bargain bins. Sure, I had various Disney films and their knock off VHS tapes on hand.
But you know which movies I watched on repeat it until the damn tapes broke? Treasure Planet, Atlantis, and Anastasia.
All are wonderfully mature and off beat for the Disney movies of the time and I thank them for instilling the idea that I could be kick ass even if I was a woman or from the wrong side of the tracks coming of age during the Paris Hilton craze.
Pure gems and yeah they're flawed, but what movie isn't? Let's appreciate them for what they are - not what they aren't.
Anastasia wasn't made by Walt Disney Animation Studios, it was produced by Don Bluth for 20th Century Fox. Disney bought Fox, so I guess that makes her a Disney princess now, but that wasn't the case back then
Kida can bench press me
@@nostalgiaworks5999 yeah, I know. But I still lump her in with princesses from childhood since she was a princess. At the age of 6 had no concept of production studios and who owned what.
I did the same thing! Atlantis and anastasia, my favorites. I could probably still quote most of both.
I think my dad bought this movie either on VHS or DVD, I can't exactly remember. Even though I pretty much had no idea what was going on because I was so young, the movie cemented my love for sci-fi/fantasy action adventure. I'm glad it gets the recognition it always deserved now - thank you for making this video!
yeahhh gonna agree with you there.... Kida was definitely an awakening moment for young Pyro. Didn't even know I liked girls yet and boom, "you do swim, do you not?" lol
I know it's a severely unpopular opinion, but I love Brother Bear, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet way more than The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin.
Side note: I met Tab Murphy (the screenwriter) at a convention this year and got to hear him talk about the Disney films he worked on at his panel. It was so cool!
The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are *boring*. Aladdin also to solve extent. Atlantis and Treasure Planet are BRILLIANT ADVENTURES! I do so have a soft spot for those.
I respect your opinion, but those older movies are definitely NOT boring. What made those older movies great was that they were simple, but deep enough for audiences to feel for the characters. These later movies, while I really like them and love that the directors took risks with them, have some severe flaws that prevent them from being masterpieces. One of which is of course the less time spent with some of the side characters and the other is really its convoluted plot. I didn’t feel this film was very simple, I felt it was a bit bloated not because it was hard to understand, but because there is just so much going on that it gets a bit messy to follow. Again, I am not bashing this film, like I said, I really like it and think it is underrated, I just couldn’t for the life of me follow everything when there is so much going on.
At the same time, comparing this to a lot of newer Disney films, I can agree there was so much more passion and creativity put into Atlantis, that most movies nowadays never reach.
Rourke, the first General Shepard before Modern warfare 2
Rourke*
Another inspiration for the movie could have also been Stargate. The way each movie begins has some pretty consistent overlaps.
Don’t forget Nadia: Secret of Blue Water
It's been an age and a half since I've seen Nadia, but yeah that does kinda work now doesn't it.
Milo and Sweet even look like some of the characters from Stargate. Also the A in Atlantis looks just like the A in Stargate.
@@jdprettynailsI merged the title logos of Stargate Atlantis with Atlantis: The Lost Empire for the name of my sailboat. It works really well!
@@pieterboelen2862 ooh that’s cool!
Why does an entire civilization lose the ability to read overnight? It's not overnight, it's over the course of 3000 years, and it's likely due to a combination of factors. The old chief is likely to discourage knowledge of the past as that is what put them in their current perdicament from the start. At the same time they have also lived for 3000 years in a very isolated space and seem to have somewhat little time and little need for reading etc.
How can they breathe down there? Do you not see the ample amounts of vegetation and water? Algae and seaweed can also use photosynthesis and release oxygen.
The giant fish monster... I don't know, that doesn't matter too much. They likely didn't need to hide it too much if we assume they returned to whatever private dock the rich guy has that they left from.
How are these people 3000 years old but also incredibly naive. Because they are 3000 years old and have spent that time in what's essentially an isolated utopian society. Also if we extrapolate the ages we see that Kida was a tiny kid 3000 years ago and now she's at least very adult looking. Compare her age appearance to many other atlanteans and it's possible that they were mostly surviving children or adolescents.
Not directly explained but not too far fetched in my opinion.
17:23 Love how you specifically said “in the west”
But there was Beavis and Butt Head and King of the Hill- my dad loved animation my whole life !
Still was much less adult accepted
Plot-hole debunk:
How does a civilization lose its ability to read and write overnight?: Well, not overnight but over hundreds of years. Their civilization was destroyed, its people had to scavenge and scrap for food. The high portion of the population that needs to scavenge for food means less people will be able to do literary work; not that there was much use for now: they have been isolated from the world to the point that there was little reason to write. Combine these conditions with the fact it happened hundreds of years during which language changes and it will be very much possible to lose the written language of your culture.
How can they breath down there?: The reason why there is an air pocket under the sea is explained in the movie, if your question is about oxygen: There are plants! Like a lot of plants surrounding the city of Atlantis, which all produce oxygen by photosynthesis (made possible by the light in the cave).
Hide flying fish: Not that hard; its the 1910's, 1920's(?). Put it on you ship and place it in a warehouse while covered by a canvas, there are no spy satellites.
Naive people: culture, and they were not that naive. Just clueless because they have been isolated for hundreds of years.
Personally I don't find any plot-holes, just people not thinking hard enough.
(yes I do care too much about this movie)
this movie has a cult level following and i am happy to find this movie in a second hand store when i did. this movie is still super underrated and more people need to see it. it's fun, well animeted and the behind the scene's in this movie are better and have more depth in it than the modern disney sluds that we get nowadays. WATCH THE FREAKING BEHIND THE SCENE'S OF THE MOVIE WHEN YOU CAN! i am happy that i found this in a second hand store and watched it when i was younger.
"Kida is yet another animated heroine in the growing list of reasons for why I'm attracted to the type of women that I am"
I come to these videos to enjoy essays about my childhood classics not to be fucking called out like that, jesus...
Atlantis and Treasure Planet being undervalued and the rise of Gritty Realism Comics movies are all evidence that people don't understand the style of or know about the pulp novels from the early 20th century
This film failed, but I really liked it as a kid. Then Treasure planet came out then, and I liked that one but it failed. Why do people hate animated adventure movies so much?🤔
Everybody loved Tarzan but I always thought it was overrated
Why do people care so little for adventure movies in general? Those are my FAVOURITE! 🤠
@@pieterboelen2862 because no one likes adventure.
@@fosterduncan7 Whatever is wrong with adventure?
@@pieterboelen2862 I wish I knew.
Also the voice cast were amazing! I love Michael J. Fox as Milo and freaking Leonard Nimoy as the king. Then of course Cree Summer as Kida is amazing in everything she’s in.
We consider it a failure because it was called that, but $126M on $120M budget compared to billions lost for modern entertainment?
This movie was an astounding timeless success in retrospect.
Disney should make an extended cut/animated rewrite of the movie that has the same look as the original, but with the 155 page (2.5 hours) long runtime from the first draft during production, that fixes the problems with the original (such as by adding more character development and other stuff) instead of doing a live-action remake. It could probably be a success for older audiences if Disney markets it for teens, and the (animated) theatrical sequel idea from before Atlantis bombed at the box office would probably be revived.
People can complain about the pacing of this movie all they want but they had a lot of content to stuff into the movie. The lore of Atlantis real and fabricated is overwhelming. And that doesn’t include the long journey of arriving to the city. Milo only spent one night in Atlantis and I fell in love with it (and low key kida )within that short time and despite everything that happens so fast there is a whole story of questions and lore that remains to be discovered. This makes the sequel a disappointment in many regards but the original was so good and could be expanded into a movie series like avatar
I love this movie. And even more years later knowing more about 2d and 3d animation. I see no flaws here
You see. The plan was that this movie would be a prequel to the Atlansis animation series that was supposed to follow after the movie. The series was supposed to be episodes where they go explore the misteries and myths of the world, which is where the vharacter development should have happened. But the series was canceled, and the two semi-complete episodes were rushed and then stuck together as the "second movie of atlantis". So yeh. The atlantis franchise wasnt given enough love by the community :/
Kida man, late 1990s early 2000s animated women were built different, they always had something in store for the adults tolerating the movie with their kids.
9:38 team chosen on skill, not age/gender/race: an IRL parallel, Norway's Amundsen South Pole trek! He chose by ability & skill and won. Captain Scott (UK) chose by rank & loyalty; his team died.
I remember really wanting to go see this when it came out but not being able to. My friends also wanted to see the movie but their parents refused to take them because it looked like it had too much action and might be scary. At least for me it was because my brother was a toddler and we couldn’t just leave him at home. My parents would have taken me if he’d been older and able to tag along. I might have been 5 or 6 at the time.
lol, arcanes music caught me off guard in the beginning, it's a great soundtrack.
Atlantis is probably my favourite disney movie of the 2d era, with the emperor's new groove as a close second, probably for the same reason's that I like the original Mummy movies- they're very fun and have cool aesthetics great enough to override the flaws. Treasure Planet would probably vi for second place if I'd seen it when I was a kid but I only watched it for the first time a few years ago so it's missing the nostalgia factor unfortunately
Also, its ironic that the bad thing about the villain was that he just wants money in the end. And the series was not continued because it wasnt making enough money.
This movie was one of my favorites growing up, and I think you can put it in the merriam webster next to 'ahead of it's time', because this kind of movie would smash with today's audience. It's got some pacing issues, and plot holes, but man I love it.
PS, do Rise of the Guardians next. That movie is amazing and we NEED more people talking about it
Just like Strange World smashed, right?
I love this movie and I love the fact that your channel talks about these movies Atlantis treasure planet the prince of Egypt thank you for giving a shout out to movies I that captured my wonder amazement and joy I will admit I did find this channel searching for arcane videos though lol
Very well done. You explained everything clearly and concisely. The anti stereotypes of the crew are my absolutely favorite thing to see in film.
ROURKE is one syllable, not Rour-ik. Otherwise, KUDOS!👏👏 I just saw a host brutalize his own Atlantis review, just tiny movie snippets woven with *harangues!* Yours is dignified & heartfelt.
With the benefit of hindsight, one could make the case that Rourke is one of, if not _the,_ darkest villains in Disney's 2D character lineup.
3:46 "I know what you're saying:"
Nope, been in love with this since it came out, my absolute favorite Disney film.
As a child I love the Kida character so much! I love the utopian scenery in Atlantis. I love the Atlantis vibrant colors and their history…. It felt like I was in a dream. 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
"The only Disney twist villain that actually works."
Hold on now. The King Candy twist also worked extremely well. But that said, great essay, my dude. I love this movie.
Atlantis is in my top 10 movies. Have the A symbol tattooed on my arm. Love 2d animation and how different it was. Especially for when it came out.
The lost city of Atlantis is not a “Conspiracy Theory” it is a legend…
A legend that spawned conspiracy theories, which were again used as inspiration for this movie. They definitely built on more than just the original Plato story.
The worldbuilding of Atlantis is super brilliant...imagine building a whole new civilization based on an excerpt from a famous philospher and instead of designing it based from its source material's culture but through an amalgamation of other cultures that are deemed too alien for western historians at that time when the movie takes place is such brilliant...like SUPER BRILLIANT.
My favourite movie in childhood. I wish they could have added more lore about the cristal and Atlantis in general. That scene of the underwater mosaic is absolutely beautiful, we needed more
Ive been obsessed with this film since i was an actual infant and im always glad to see others talking about it
I genuinely think the characters here and in road to el dorado made me who i am today (specifically a female mix between Milo and Miguel)
8:07 Mole is a geologist. He's not even a stereotype or spin on one, geologists are just like that.
8:50 was watching this movie a few years ago with my family. My mother is in a similar job to Ms. Packard. Apparently that one is also on brand to reality like Mole.
Dude....that beam there and the explosion afterwards just shows what Disney Pictures was capable of back then. Looks so god damn amazing, imma just go ahead and put it on the same step with Ramiel from Evangelion
I've actually never heard that Mr.Whitmore theory before. I always saw them as like brothers from another mother. I've also seen friendships that close before so that was just very interesting to me.
The 2d 3d blend was mind-blowing as a kid
I miss the times when they were genuinely having fun with the dubbing. Mrs. Packard in the German dub gets a mean Berlin accent and those two sharks in finding Nemo were voiced by a Bavarian comedy duo.
This movie is definitely a criminally overlooked movie. It was probably very much ahead of its time. If the ENTIRE storyline of Avatar was basically ripped from it, you know Trousdale/Wise were on to something special. Having a somewhat geeky hero was quite refreshing, and they did the whole ethnically diverse crew of main characters LONG before Hollywood embraced this topic. The villain is pretty generic, but boy he was pure evil. And so effective he became the exact inspiration for the villain of the most popular film of all time (Avatar). Let's be honest, Stephen Lang got the part because he looks like the cartoon character.
I don't know ANYTING about this channel but the experience and the fact that it seems thAt WE WATCHED the same movie this long ago and LOVED IT!!!
and then in 2023 still being ignored....
Classic Disney : Aladin
Modern Disney: Kida/Milo
Uber Disney : eh....Sam Witwer
Atlantis and Treasure Planet were the best Disney movies. Also, Milo is basically Daniel Jackson from Stargate. They *have* to have taken inspiration from Stargate.
Also, the reason the Atlanteans lost the ability to read and write, and also why they could no longer control their own technology, is because they lost the crystal tech in the fall along with the vast majority of their records and base of scientific personnel. They were basically launched back to the stone age by a proto-nuke and barely survived by shielding themselves and getting encased in volcanic stone. The "how do they have enough O2" thing is harder to hand wave but ultimately it doesn't seem that infeasible to me tbh.
Atlantis will always be my favorite movie as a child, sad that Disney scrapped it
For me, I always enjoyed it because I also love Nadia - The secret of Blue Water, an anime series that also uses the Atlantis myth to tell a science fiction story. So, in a way this was a nice bonus to further fuel my interest in ancient myths and history.
Speaking of Nadia, did you know that this film got a bit of flak for having supposedly ripping off Nadia, even though both films were inspired (in form or another) by the Jules Verne novel "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"?
As a kid (~7 years old), this game was my go-to everytime I wanted to watch a movie, I broke a DVD, rest in peace little dvd than got corrupted because I watched too much the game.
Currently on the top of my 19 years, I found another DVD at 0.50€, the urge to watch it again was too high, and oh boy, I fell in love the exact same way I did as a kid.
Now I understand a lot more why I LOVE exploration games and series, I played the whole Xenoblade trilogy and the two Horizon games, but why? Because their is a lore, there is a fallen civilisation, and we discover the past, how they had fallen, why, and the mots important: What now? This isn't just "oh yeah they existed... ANYWAY", it's more like "They existed, here is why [...] you'll learn more the more you go deep into" and THAT is a mark of someone who loves his job
If the dialog are great, it's incredible with the french voice casting, they took accent that perfectly fit, and they didn't just translated the sentences from english, no, they adapted the dialog, and that little touch makes it so much better. I often blame new films for their lack of work, their laziness, where the money is more important that the film itself; For this movie, the dialog, the lore, the little details, that makes all the difference
Now, hear me out, who want to go to Iceland?
Well it did feel more Don Bluth, than Disney. Though I do like Atlantis, and thoughts n the DVD sequal?
Something I had an Epiphany on recently. Is it doesn't really matter? If these super good movies didn't make a lot of money, we didn't lose anything. We still got the really good movie. It's the people that put in all the work that lost out on something like recognition that may suck for that individual. But I'm pretty sure they still made a shitload of money regardless, so What's the point of caring? If a super good movie doesn't do well in theaters
This was my childhood
It was my favorite movie for a long time and remains my favorite Disney movie to this day, I adore the characters and the flow of the film and just its so much fun
I have watched this movie and then immediately started it over to watch again multiple times
I love the Persona music in the background.
What I really like about the movie is how they portrayed Sweet. Nowadays black characters are all super-puper geniuses and good people just because they're black (compare Black Panther 2 and Iron Heart). On the other hand, Sweet studied medicine in a college and then served as a doctor on the war front. So we see a specialist who went a hard way of studying and working, which for me is really cool and it also gives motivation.
I love Atlantis
I would support a live action re-make of this film if they don't cut anything... They are allowed to add more story telling, just not cut out anything.
The idea of an entire civilization collapsing over a very powerful technology in today's context it's chilling. Makes me be more sacred of AI than before.
Why doesn't this have more views! This is fantastic!
This was my favorite Disney movie as I kid and I still love to rewatch it so it's great to see people who appreciate it like I do
this film is so precious to me, i appreciate this lovely video AND THE USE OF THE ARCANE SOUNDTRACK IN THE BACKROUND, ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!! thank you :D
Despite the movie being flawed, I love it to death! Same thing with The Tomorrow War, something you just wanna turn your brain off and enjoy a good movie.
I'm going through and removing as much as I can. But I'm a solo creator so it's slow going haha
The ramblings of one madman are another man's fortune
15:00 poor mole, what did he do to deserve it?
ooohhh I just rewatched it yesterday! They tried stuff on this one and not everything worked, but it was very original for a Disney movie
I actually love the character of Kida. The main criticism I've come across is that she is passive and doesn't have agency. To me that's a traditionally Western narrative, that a princess needs to be a "girl boss", to find her voice and stand up for herself. Kida is a princess of a lost ancient kingdom, which means she's closer to being a deity than a human. We're not supposed to understand her, she's mystical, just like Atlantis is. Milo is the one who is supposed to find his voice, Kida has always had it, it's her people who have been silenced.
Other than that, my main problem with the movie is the white savior trope.
Among all superb Atlantis voice actors, I'm a proud Canadian🇨🇦 for Michael J. Fox's exemplary Milo AND I honour eternal nice-guy James Garner for his terrific best-of-breed twist villain!
I've never heard someone call Atlantis a "masterpiece" flawed or not. I had such high hopes for Atlantis when it released but walked out of theater extremely let down and depressed.I really wish it was as god as Raider of the Lost Ark, but it's nowhere near as good. There is a reason why one of those films is a still beloved and getting sequels and the other is not.
Glad I wasn't old enough to read reviews and be swayed when I saw this as a kid, it was simply a brilliant EXPERIENCE
Basically everything Disney made back when it didn’t perform it’s best are now considered classics and under appreciated like iron giant, treasure planet and Atlantis.
My only gripe with this movie is that is feels WAY too short. To bad Disney be making that doodoo now.
The Iron Giant was from Warner Bros.
@@untunedguitar45 you’re right…but doesn’t change the fact that iron giant is still an amazing movie that was heavily under appreciated. But you’re still right.
The amount of influence this movie has on my stories is wack. I remember being so confused as a kid when ppl told me this movie was a flop. Like. Are we watching the same movie??
Flop as in it didn’t make a profit
It falls short in my mind because it has the same flaw too many animated movies have nowadays - too many characters, not enough plot for all of them. They fill the sub with all of these colorful characters but almost none of them serve any purpose other than being comic relief. That's the only thing that ruins this movie for me.
Atlantis is NOT Disney's flawed masterpiece
Atlantis is Disney's ONLY masterpiece
debatable
@@kribyy7784 No. The old animated movies from Disney are just European folk tales retold (ex. Pinoccio), some are even rip offs (ex. Lion King ripping off Kimba the White Lion) and the 3D animated movies were done by 3rd parties. The current Disney movies are garbage.
Disney was never good, the few actually original movies (ex. Atlantis and Treasure Planet) were squashed because of profit reasons.
@@RobleViejo The Lion King isn't a ripoff of Kimba, that's just an old myth pushed by people that don't know what they're talking about. YourMovieSucks actually did an amazing job dissecting that claim and where all of it's points originate. Highly recommend it, please do check it out!
Disney has also been making original animated movies since Lady and the Tramp of 1955, as well as the musical collections prior and beyond. Then there's Fox an the Hound, The Rescuers, 101 Dalmatians, Brave Little Toaster, A Goofy Movie and it's sequel... not to mention, Treasure Planet is based off of the Treasure Island book, which was an old English story from the 1880s. Adaptation doesn't make a product bad, however I will say that Treasure Planet is much more transformative than something like Pinocchio. All stories are derivative to some degree, it's impossible to create something truly original. However, you can take more creative spins on a concept and make something that is fresh compared to what you're taking from, and early Disney did that to some degree? I'd say they're much better about it now than they were in the 40s and 50s, but that's just me splitting hairs.
As for Disney's CG putout, there's a lot of variety in quality, just as there was in the 2D animated library. For every Encanto and Wreck-It Ralph Disney puts out into the world there's a Chicken Little or Ralph Breaks The Internet out there. You can't just simply say "New Disney bad," there's nuance to the quality of modern films. Especially when the quality of such films can be easily debated upon, labeling all of their output as "garbage" is failing to see the products actually in front of you. As for other studios Disney's acquired, they still had their influence on Disney. Pixar maintained it's deal with Disney after Chicken Little, despite them seeing Chicken Little as a failure. Pixar and Disney have continued to influence each other in terms of pushing CG animation to new heights and certain writing flairs (twist villains being the most obvious and most contentious).
"Disney was never good" is a rather loaded statement, but one I don't completely disagree with? Disney has always been in the business of marketing itself as an integral part of your childhood, and that Disney is a brand you loved as a child. That's just tactics of marketing, however when you're older it's good to bring a critical eye to content you liked as a kid. When I was a little girl I adored Disney's Chicken Little, and now that I'm an adult I can easily see it's flaws and no longer consider it a good film. Disney has always been in the business of adaptation and inspiration for it's films, as that's merely how the creative process works. Most animation studios have this same sort of library that's a mix of original and adapted/inspired works, Dreamwork's two biggest franchises (Shrek and How To Train Your Dragon) are both directly taking ideas from books. Does that suddenly mean I can handwave them for being "just other people's books retold?" No, because there's still merit to the art at hand. As for Disney's profit motive, that's corporate entities in general. Disney at the time was dealing with the back and forths on the higher level, and Eisner is essentially a Disney villain incarnate that was CEO of the company for nearly twenty years. And Disney sabotaging films is nothing new, they've been ruthless towards their adversaries in ways as well. When Anastasia was going to release in theatres, Disney rereleased The Little Mermaid on the same weekend to cripple it's financial potential. So... seeing them try to maintain the brand after Atlantis underperforms and sabotaging Treasure Planet to ensure gambles that big aren't done again isn't surprising. It's evil, and it directly harmed content I love dear, but you should never expect corporate entities to be kind towards artists when their profit line is even remotely risked.
In short... no. Old Disney wasn't exclusively old European folk takes, current Disney movies aren't a quality monolith, Disney has made great things in every era of their existence, and not all of their great art has been crushed for monetary purposes (but corporate entities are scum, so it's not surprising they do this sometimes).
@@westonwestori2706 while lion king wasnt ripping off Kimba, it's basically the plot of hamlet and then the sequel being Romeo and juliet
I love Atlantis but Treasure Planet is better.
I saw Atlantis and it's sequel as a kid and I loved them. I really liked the sequel and I wish that it too had people willing to defend it like this one does.
Dude I want lava whales, how'd we get jipped on lava whales
Well, they appeared in the direct to DVD sequel, I hope you enjoy seeing Milo's little lava whale pet
There may not have been any songs, but damn, if James Newton Howard's score didn't slap hard. Really hard
I have LOVED this movie since i first saw it when I was like 6. This movie and milo's qirks got me interested in archeology
I am SOOOO Grateful to have had my GodMother, who had a list of movies that I could pick from to watch, and this was on that List!! I even liked the 2nd one too! Good job Disney!!!
I'm happy to have looked for reviews on this movie, I saw it when I was 7, in 2001, and I rewatched it more times during my life. I agree with practically everything said in the video and it's a shame that it didn't have more succes
People dislike this movie? I watched this shit all the time as a kid
Movie had lots of deaths I can immagine that some more sensitive children could be traumatized by it but I think it is a marvelous film for a ten year old
My only criticism of this movie is Audrey's character design. She's the only one without nasal ala and the only one with the weird line on the tip of her nose. So out of place. Dr Sweet is also black but he didn't have that problem.
Joe you should watch Tron Legacy if you haven't already, I can tell by your cowboy bebop and disney's atlantis video that you would love that movie, and if I could vote Id vote that you make a video on Tron Legacy next
Yea but the problem is this movie was good but what it did was copy some of the stuff of an anime secret of blue water was an old anime that was something with Atlantis and 20,000 leagues under the sea
It didn't copy it, they used ideas decades older than the anime you mention.
I saw this in second grade when my parents ordered in on Netflix mail subscription in 2008-2009 and I could not help but adore this film. I couldn’t name why but I just did. Now I can via praise for characters, design, worldbuilding, and just things that make you go ooooh aaah
Also Helga was a gay awakening
I'm so glad I subscribed to your channel!
10:03 This reminds me of the Three Stooges' Who Done It?!.
Loved this movie through and through. No one will ever convince me it was a bad movie.
THIS MOVIE IS A d&D CAMPAING that was out of bounds from d& rules by a FUN dm
I forgive all this movie's flaws, it's definitely one of my very favorites!
Am I the only one that had the biggest crush on Milo 😅
This is one of my favorite Disney movies
I couldn't get past the odd character look, particularly the square fingers. Which is a shame, because the rest of it is amazing. Just too much contrast of styles, to the point of jerking me out of enjoyment over and over. Alas...