My daughter chose the Space Wolves because "My pups will protect me" So she painted up the Thunder Wolves to look like the dogs we have IRL. Thank you gor providing me more stories to share with her ❤
Bricky completely undersold the fight between the Lion and Leman. The Lion killed a man who had insulted Leman which angered Leman which resulted in the fight. After a while fighting Leman began laughing because the reason they were fighting was stupid however the Lion took it as an insult and knocked him out with one punch. After the siege of terra the lion sought out Leman to finish their fight out of anger because of his constant failures during the Hersey and Lemans inability to make it to terra in time. Leman refuses to fight but the Lion consumed with rage doesn’t care and attacks him moving his blade at the last moment so it wouldn’t kill him. It was one of the rare moments where either of them shed there masks and showed the real versions of themselves.
And it was after Leman discoverd that his old friend the jarl of the 13. Companie had lied to him. And Russ had to kill one of his sons because the curse of the Wolven. So he was pissed enought at he met Lion and his brother spoke not carefully about the killed wulven.
I never thought I'd want to "actually" Bricky but damn he was so off. It's important to note that the Lion was mostly angry at himself and used Leman as a scapegoat cause he isn't good with his own emotions. In a wierd way it brought Lion and Leman closer, Leman even went into the tunnels under his fortress monastery to mourn after hearing about Caliban.
Also, I think the Lion gets a little too much shit for suckerpunching Leman. If I was bad with emotions, and arguing with my sister, then she just stopped and started laughing her ass off. I can say with certainty that I would be filled with rage, cause I'd assume that she was laughing at me. I don't think the book actually said the Lion was thinking like that, but from what I understand of his character, that's what I would expect of him.
@@gama343 More like he starts getting confortable and having fun with it, then Emps points at something and says "KILL" and Leman gets let out of his kennel
$20 says Leman comes back with a full Viking beard, one eye, and the wisdom he attained from hanging from the world tree in the warp. The spear he wields is already a motif to Odin's spear!
I hope its not that on the nose. Its already VERY on the nose with the norse themes. I definitely would like him coming back as a wise figure with a beard but maybe not so much the full Odin backstory that would just be disappointing for real. I trust GW to make a fun spin on that with Leman after how they've handled Guilliman and the Lion.
Could explain why they havent released much in the way of Space Wolf flavour packs or unique characters. It'll come after the Emperors Children and Blood Angels refreshes.
@@Pragabondagreed, I would love to see their own spin on the Odin story they're very obviously leaning into, but I hope they're able to come up with at least SOME original ideas to take it a new direction. I wanna see Leman come back all Warp touched but ENTIRELY uncorrected, full long ass heavily braided and feral beard, half Wolf, fighting with either his spear or an axe also made from beating a demon into axe-shaped compliance (just because I think there's potential for a hilarious moment with him and Grimnar if that were the case, just Leman upon meeting him for the first time being like "huh, couldn't quite punch this little fucker into a blade that shape. Well done." Or something), wizened from 10,000 years of Warp crusading and all that good stuff (I'd be okay with him being one-eyed ONLY if it has nothing to do with Odin's whole saga involving that, just losing it in combat with a big mean ass fuck-ugly scar), and ready to absolutely fucking shred his enemies as he believes the wolftime is upon them. Honestly would be amazing to see even just that version of Leman interact with current Robungus Girklebirk or the Lion as the characters they've become after everything that's happened.
I know, I know Entertainment over accuracy. So I try not to sound bitchy, but Bricky missed the really funny part from the scene when Russ and his Barbarians had the dinner with horus and some imperial nobles. Becaus Horus send EVERYBODY except Leman out to berate his "embaracement of a barbarian brother" but when the door closes, Leman sits upright in his chair, full etiquette, like he was raised on Terra. Picks up a fork and eats a piece of food from the plate, all propper, gives the suprised Horus a shit eating grinn and asks him in gothic "So, what you wanted to talk about?" Because he learned all this over the dinner. I love the moments when Leman shows that he is only playing the Barbarian King
This makes me hypothesize that Leman had always been having something else going on while he was playing a savage. And maybe him leaving the legion is like allowing the Wolves to remove their facade. A bit two-faced, probably for a good reason. I wager it's something big. It'd also be interesting to see how someone adept in trickery and espionage like Alpharius views Leman.
@@ngominh259 Have a quote from Alpharius in his Primarch novel: We are tools, of that I have no doubt. I do not think many of my brothers realise this fact, but Russ is one who does. He does not like me any more than Rogal does - in fact, I would say considerably less - but I found him next to me at a victory feast once, and we exchanged words. He was drunk, or seemed so: I suspect this was a low ruse on his part, for our very natures allow us to metabolise all but the most potent toxins without harm. However, drunkenness seems more suited to the roaring, fur-clad giant that is Russ than it does the patrician nobility of Guilliman, or the dourness of Perturabo, and so some might underestimate him. Also, later on in the feast: ‘What are you supposed to be, then?’ he demanded of me. I had not long revealed myself to my brothers, and this was the first time we had spoken. I smiled at him. ‘I am Alpharius.’ Russ grunted in response. ‘I asked “what”, not “who”.’ [...] smiled at him again. ‘I’m the one that keeps secrets.’ For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh. ‘Hah! Well, in that case, I’m surprised there’s only one of you.’
36:55 a little bit of correction there: Yes, Leman and the Lion were fighting for an entire day out of a dispute. But here’s the thing, while Leman was laughing at the whole situation, Lion took it as an insult and kocked Leman out with a sucker punch (like Father like Son). But now to where Bricky got the stab part. After Dorn and Kahn put Big E on the Throne, Lion was emotionally filled. He was sad and angry and to release it, he wanted to fight Leman again, but he refused to fight another brother in a time such as this. Lion then stabbed Leman to provoke him, but Leman continued to deny him the fight and so the Lion left. Just wanted to clear up a misconception.
DK: “Ultramarines coming from Ultramar and their name sequence is so dumb and I hate it” DK following the Blood Angels and Space Wolves episodes: “Thats sooo cool! I’ll allow it!”
Bro a reference to their planet is completely different that just adding a few extra letters to end of the planet's name and calling themselves that. The Space Wolves come from Fenris, and the Blood Angels from Ball. Their names make reference to their hone world.
It should be made clear the Russ won the actual fight with the ascended Horus and had him at his mercy, but when the spear brought back the real Horus, Leman tried to save his brother which ended with Horus revealing that despite chaos he still thinks the Emperor is a monster that needs to die and sucker punches him. Though the wound Russ dealt Horus would end up devastating the traitor war effort. Horus was put into a coma which cost the traitors months and the loyalists gained time to reinforce. It stopped the loyalist from being completely destroyed and routed at Beta Garmmon. It caused the Word Bearers coup and cost the traitors their biggest legion, their daemon summoners and a primarch. It also made Horus a non-entity for most of the siege. Also Guilliman and the Lion would have never made it in time to threaten Horus' rear forcing the gambit resulting in the loyalists complete destruction.
Gosh I wish we actually explored Horus’s personal reasons for abandoning the emperors instead of this whole “Lol I’m possessed by a DEMON” BS we have now.
That bit about the lion and Russ being opposites is really interesting. Lions look like regal lords of their domain, but are often kleptoparasitic, let the lionesses do everything, and infanticidal. Wolves look more...mangy(?) but are actually more likely to do their own killing, the largest wolves take on the hardest roles, and almost never kill their kids. Also, "That'd be a pretty dope place where humans and wolves live together." Dogs. You are thinking of dogs.
While this was believed for a long time, new research has shown that this not the case anymore. Researchers have found male lions are very active at night, both occasionally hunting small game, or, protecting their own pups from night predators. Since they are large, they are good for keeping other predators from attacking the pride. So they don’t contribute much to larger hunts, but do play an important role in the pride.
The point about Leman being a Knight with the outward appearance of a Savage is actually so on the bloody nose. And it's always great when he lets how smart and controlled he is shows through. Like when he was talking with Kaspar Hauser in Prospero Burns. Or even in his first conversation with Horus when there's that moment where Horus realizes that Leman's teasing him and is nothing like he's presenting as.
To Quote the Lion: "The foolish see the savagery of the Space Wolves and dismiss it as nothing more than that, but Lion El’Jonson knows better. There is a calculated rage within his brother that longs to spring forward and lay waste, but Russ usually keeps it under tight control, and only lets loose when sanctioned. He is no mindless berserker; every action has a purpose, which is the destruction of his enemy as efficiently as possible."
A quote I like about Russ is from Guilliman during the Plague Wars. He's messing with a custodes, being intentionally obtuse, and he says to the custodes: "be glad I returned instead of Leman Russ - for humor's sake, he would punch you, then scold you for not laughing."
Big E: Let's have a challenge. If I win you have to join me, if you win I'll leave you alone. Yes, you can choose the activity "Leman Wins" Big E: You know what? F my rules! You'll join me whether you want to or not! "I CAST FIST!" I love how after everything is said and done, Big E will straight up throw a temper tantrum and result to "might makes right" when something doesn't go his way or when someone pulls the rug under him. We know where Perturabo took this from.
And people still insist that nothing he did was ever wrong,it's all part of emperor's ineffable "master plan"! Yes even the part where people are diyng by the millions or getting fates WORSE than death,especially those.
@@sandrojoseferraz340 while the Imperium of the Great Crusade times was much better than current 40k to live in, it was still a bloody regime, just without the religious worship
@sandrojoseferraz340 I feel like this is particularly poignant because of how he is worshipped as a God in the 42nd millennium. Much like modern believers in a higher power, they will insist that everything, even the most awful, horrible things, are part of an infallible "master plan." I personally wonder if G-Dubs wrote it this way to inspire this kind of discourse in the fandom. Note this isn't a dig against religious folks - just an interesting parallel.
Incorrect. Russ boasted after 2 near wins for him in the eating and drinking contest, russ noticed something was odd, but didnt question because he got drunk and then claimed he could even defeat the emperor in a fight as well. Emperor cast fist. Russ woke up with a headache, declared to his people he was too buzzed to fight, but that the Emperor is worthy and chose to follow because he was already convinced before by how the Emperor acted and the appeal of going with his siblings and soldiers out conquering not just the monsters, but entire planets. Emperors single hit knockout just gave Russ the clarity of mind of it having been a "i didnt want to ruin our fun dad-son moment before you have to be civilized and to not disgrace your people cheating for you" scene.
@@d-pod_L 40k to me is very much so an allegory on the dangers of extremes in general. Absolute religion is just as constricting as absolute atheism in different regards and will always lead to endless purging because you're not letting humanity simply exist the way we do naturally. Both of them deny a vital part of the human spirit (spirituality even) so its kind of a given both are going to end up a society that's inhuman and hostile to that human spirit. I find it interesting that both regimes were/are in love with the IDEA of human superiority while also having absolute disgust for the actual reality of human nature.
Yeah, earlier in the canon, Horus and Russ talk about who would win in a fight between the two of them, and after their fight Horus admits that if Leman wasn’t conflicted about killing him, he would have curb stomped Horus. I feel like people misrepresent Leman way too often, as far as how many primarch fights he’s won, 3/4 fyi, but more importantly, they make leman look like an idiot because he manufactures this image for himself and people don’t always seem to understand how layered he is as a character.
@@justsomeguywhowantsamust-iw1yj People always forget the moment when Sanguinius talks about everyones ability to duel. Sanguinius flat out said that if Leman fully unleashed NONE OF THEM would be able to stop him alone.
@Nempo13 we also have to take into account his own words. Leman doesn't know if he can take kurze. Angron was a close thing before the daemoning. Now? Even closer to gone. Mortarion as a daemon? No chance. Just like gorilla man. Magnus? Absolutely. Magnus too broken to challenge leman.
@Nempo13 I’ll be honest, he’s my favourite primarch, but even I don’t believe that. I’d say the top 3 are Leman, Lion, and Sanguinius, in no particular order.
Fun facts about leman He viewd the emperor as hes creator not his father He saw malkador kind as a father He wrote the omega codex , a book describing how to destroy a space marine legion He always knew exactly what rune priest are They are two versions of his final words The space wolfs during the heresy worshipd the emperor Edit When guiliman told him to separate the chapters he said that he will decide the legion into 13 great company's with a (wolf) lord in charge of every one, the trick... The space wolfs were already separated in 13 great company's that were set up like chapters and the lords were all loyal to the great wolf So even today the wolves are a legion pretending to be 12 different chapters Only fenrisians can become space wolfs Caul fixed it somehow The current chapter master master double wields a spear made by the emperor and an axe made by khorne Edit 2 Just remembered the original name was the rout The wolves were one of the "secret legions in the unification wars , the other we're the dragon warriors ( salamander's) the alpha legion ( of course) and the thousand sons If leman hows loud enough psychic powers nearby stop working If leman doesn't return with a beard i will not be able to express my disappointment Edit 3 leman and magnus spoke to the emperor defending lorgar thas saving him from obliteration Konstantin valdor liked russ He and leman owned twin spears from the emperor, Konstantin always used it as the emperor said to him, leman touched it once and then never ( this is the one that I think the chapter master has) When leman left Valdor felt it and also left real space to do things ( Two metaphysical spears/ the departure)( i haven't read penitent but heard that something happens with Konstantin)
@@BananenbaumEY ‘You do not believe it?’ said Horus. Leman of the Russ shrugged. ‘When gods come from the sky and tell you there are no gods, it takes littletime to see what is true and what is not.’ ‘And what do you think is true?’ ‘I think a believer who ceases to believe when the truth of his world confirms those beliefs is a fool,’ he said simply. ‘It doesn’t matter what gods say. We don’t pay much attention to them. They are as drunk and stupid as we.’ He grinned. Russ to horus on their first meeting
The single best line in Rogue Trader is you talking to a Space Wolf about how they say wolf a lot and he laughs and says "You are not wrong there. It seems like every other word out of a Fenrisian's mouth is wolf"
Honestly that's how I hope they would be about it. I could see them either laughing it off or just immediately trying to eat you with little in between
@@Pragabond The Space Wolves are more than capable of laughing at themselves. Even for the serious stuff. Russ told Malcador he knew how bad the optics of Rune Priests are while he's raging against Psykers. And I think that softens a lot of their worst qualities. Sure, they can be blunt, hypocritical and crude, but I feel there's something redeemable and endearing about someone that knows he has those flaws.
The best way i've seen a Space Wolf be represented is Sven Bloodhowl in battlefleet gothic armada 2's opening Really selling the wolf motif but without outright saying wolf except when saying his chapter's name
Fun fact, PETA tried to destroy warhammer because the space wolf minis have wolf pelts.... yes, the plastic minis have platic wolf pelts... the horror.
That's the most PETA thing that I have ever heard. This is the same organization that euthanizes 99% of the animals in their shelters where actual shelters strive to rehome 90% of their animals.
The theory I've heard that I like the concept of about the true nature of the Primarchs is that they're literally Greater Daemons of the Emperor bound in human bodies. Which is why Corvax becomes what he becomes spending so much time in the warp, and the great trick played on the Daemon Primarchs: Becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't actually upgrade them, it just strips off the human layers.
imo the theory is bad. Demon Princes have their souls removed. If the souls were powerful warp entities then each time a primarch died or became a prince we'd see the warp entity released
@@jaosborne2763Well they're not typical Daemons. They're Daemons made by the Emperor. Presumably the soul stuff would be made by him so when they die logic dictates they return to him rather than the Warp. Big E is not dumb or foolish. He wouldn't create a super daemon bound to Transhuman flesh if them dying would unleash said Daemon upon the world.
I think the knowledge stolen by the Emperor was about creating demons, think about it, Chaos Gods can create demons, but Gork and Mork or Eldar Gods can't(Or at least were never shown or stated to have this ability)
the 4 trials thing that Rus had to do are literally just references to the things Thor had to try to do in the myth of Utgard Loki. But there were only 3 in that. The bowl for the myth was the seas, the crone was old age, and the wolf was a cat in the myth, but it was the world serpent in reality. It's one of my favorite norse myths actually
Its definitely one of the more interesting ones, since everybody involved (Loki and Thor's new manservant as well) get hardcore humbled and then take actual pride in their abilities when the truth is revealed, rather than just swelling their egos
Also I think the ending of Lemans story where he gets stabbed with his own spear to gain knowledge is a reference to how Odin stabbed himself with a spear and hung from Yggdrasil for 9 days to gain the knowledge of Runes
Fun fact: Fenrisian krakens are theorized by the magos biologious to be of tyranid origin after examining hide the wolves had, I do not remember if that hide was from the elder kraken that Russ alleged to fought with.
@@Ashtor1337 not to be that guy but it’s been stated that Tyranids probably found their way to the galaxy before the Pharos thing went boom. It is unknown how or why. The same analysis was made of the catachan devil and one other which escapes me right now. I don’t remember the exact quote but I’ll look for it,
@@FoxHound-ut1hu it may be that the nids don't actually wipe out ALL life, or if they do they've been around long enough that they can just come back later after more life arises. Remember the War in heaven was ~60 million years ago, but the galaxy has been in more or less the same state as it is now and in 40k in terms of conditions where life can arise for multiple billions of years.
Fun fact: Despite cultivating his brash personality, Russ was secretly kind of a nerd. He secretly read most of Lorgar's writing, but had no one to really talk about them to.
Space Angel drinks blood wine to fill their thirst. Space Wolves drinks Mjod to fill their buzz until the next battle. Admit it, you all want to party up with Wolves instead of Angels.
After playing Rogue Trader, definitely. If we'd picked up a BA in Commorragh instead of Ulfar, I'd imagine I'd come back to him hunting my crew with Marazhai.
Or is it? Because Russ acting as a savage is a facade to hide his cunning and observation skills (like a cat), while the Lion is actuslly the loyal execitioner dog of the Imperium.
@@Dracobyte well, cats are considered assholes even by the owners who love them so it checks out with the Lion. You have a cat, it's a nice cat, until you irk him then he scratches you in a hissy fit. Cats are also superior predators to dogs.
@@Dracobyte i mean, dogs will act real aggressive until they know you, then they're your best friend Cats will act all aloof and cautious until they know you, then they don't care that you know they're assholes.
Leman Russ is the jock in high school who was actually like a good kid, Lion is the kid everyone genuinely thought was gonna do *something* one day so everyone was kinda nice to him like out of self-preservation.
Leman's got two books, pretty much. Wolfsbane is the Horus Hresy book about him, whereas Wolf King is his specific Primarch book, similar the Kurze's or Alpharius. Wolfsbane is just another HH book.
One bonus point I heard was that, when Leman woke up after being punched out by the Emperor, he blamed his headache on his drinking instead of, you know, *being one-punched unconscious.*
You may have missed something important about Russ vs Horus. The spear wound briefly removed the chaos influence and he felt hollow after. Russ tries to convince Horus to return to Terra with him but Horus refuses.
In slight defense of Leman's actions on Prospero, there is a precedent for the Emperor ordering complete annihilation, Russ would know of the fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions, so being told the Emperor wants all the Thousand Sons dead wouldn't be a huge stretch
Except he was told to do it by a daemon cosplaying as Horus, which he rationalized as Magnus trying to trick him or something because he was looking for any excuse to kill Magnus, so he decided to kill Magnus against his direct orders to capture him, despite knowing that it wasn't even really Horus who "changed the orders".
@@gama343 except he ALSO tried to contact Magnus multiple times before going full wolf force, and fully planned to bring magnus back in chains as per the original order until Magnus vox-ghosted him out of pride. Leman was displeased by this and unleashed the wolves, which fucked up a lot more than even expected since Magnus also self-sabotaged the defenses as some sort of suicide sacrifice/penance despite having had ample opportunity to simply go "i surrender". I dont remember ever hearing that it was a daemon either, I've always heard it was Horus himself who gave the order, and in any case Leman would have simply killed the daemon if he knew what he was talking to, and DEFINITELY wouldnt have followed it's orders or thought it a trick by magnus (because why would he order his own death to the one primarch who he thinks would leap on that chance to do that?). Leman also really regretted the events of Prospero by the Wolfsbane book
@@hippiecheapskate i mean yeah, but still, even by 40K standard Russ had no chill The thing about Prospero is that Russ let his worst self make the decisions there, and Magnus was too up his own ass to realize he done fucked up. Neither one was acting rationally in the moment. Which, honestly, is kind of why i like that bit of characterization for Russ. A lot of times they make you want to believe the space viking thing is just an act on his part, but it's not. There really is a scary savagery lurking inside the man. gives him more depth in my opinion.
Bricky totally messed up the Lion VS Russ thing. The Lion Disarmed Russ, Russ admits in his own POV that in a real fight he would have died then and there, but the lion didn't strike, they brawled for 2 days straight, russ laughed and got knocked out by the Lion. The Lion then left. The Stabbing is completely unrelated to this. The Lion stabs Russ for failing to protect the Emperor when he had the chance to kill Hours, but actually the Lion does it because he tries not to blame himself (he is literally copeing). Thats all in Russ own Primarch Book: Horus Heresy Primarchs: Leman Russ
Thank you. I was going to comment in this error from Bricky. This fist fight created the tradition between the Dark Angels and Space Wolves by having a representive to fight each other whenever the two legions meet up.
Russ never says that, Russ is disarmed and the lion could have stabbed him but Russ famously had his heart exploded by Magnus' fist and it didn't slow him so it's unlikely the stab would have killed him. Your also forgetting that Russ had the advantage by the end of the fight and had the opportunity to beat the Lion into the ground before he broke out laughing at how foolish the fight was.
The one thing I would add to this is the Horus fight, the spear hit wasn’t a glancing blow, and it is implied that Russ could have killed him then and there… but he hesitated when he saw his real brother again, not the chaos puppet, then got his ass beat
@@wolflordgio6320 "For a moment, all Russ saw was the opportunity. That last impact had nearly taken his brother’s helm clean off - he could leap to his feet, shove him back to the parapet’s edge, press the advantage and beat him down to his knees."
My favorite Primarch honestly. He has by far the best character arc in the Horus Heresy. He went through so much growth and his journey to self understanding was honestly amazing to see. To see him move passed his mistakes and become a better man at the end. Great character.
Omg someone who can comprehend what a story is and actually see what growth and change means instead of ignoring all that change and crying about the two or three things he did wrong or hypocritical about once
@@Shinsay Because I noticed many of them read only A Thousand Sons and think they are experts on Wolves. And honestly overall I see a lot of vitriol towards Wolves, Russ and their fans in the fanbase. Especially large 40k youtubers also tend to really shit on Wolves. Heartbreaking for me honestly.
Another super likeable thing about Leman: he *plays* the 'fool king,' it's an act. He'll let people clown on him and *think* he's dumb or whatever, when really he's tactically studying them in ways they wouldn't show if they took him as seriously as they ought to. So like where Lion is very socially awkward because he's like a lion - a feral beast - trying to 'play human' while studying everyone in the room, Leman's succeeded in his ruse of puppy play to get everyone show him everything themselves.
Actually Leman and Lorgar both head very spiritual legions and they were ultra loyal to the Emperor (pre-Monarchia). So they actually do have a lot in common. There's a hilarious moment where Magnus tells Lorgar that the only thing he and Leman both ever agreed on was that they liked Lorgar lol
Russ probably didn’t question Horus because he and the Wolves were manipulated into hating the Sons by chaos through the Conservator Kasper Hawser. Chaos hoped that the Wolves and Sons would destroy each other because they couldn’t accomplish their goals with both combining forces. Forgot the exact quote.
18:15 I like that neither Bricky nor DK consider that Leman might have been wearing the furs of literally any animal his wolf packs might have hunted. There are dire wolves on this planet. Obviously, there's got to be prey animals big enough to feed them. Leman probably skinned and wore one of those.
Even the inquisition respects Bjorn cause he fought beside Russ and the Emperor which he finds hilarious how they start kowtowing to him when he’s awoken to speak to the inquisitors and grey knight chapter master during the months of shame
Aside from all the other oldest space marine dreadnoughts out there, like the word bearer on that other planet with the original lectitio divinitatus, for example, Bjorn is the oldest.
Btw the whole thing with constests of eating and drinking thats not just for shits and giggles. That Warhammer directly referencing norse Mythology. There is a story where Thor and Loki visit the great hall of a giant named loki and compete in various contests. These ended up including a drinking contest, and an eating constest. So yeah its funny but its also a good omage to true norse mythology. Oh and Russ can be read the way you guys have been doing. Or it can be read as "Rooss" which is the name of one of the great viking kingdoms founded during the high viking era. Its also the kingdom from which the country "Russia" ( land or the russ) derives it's name from. Which is also dope.
If I recall correctly, there is a theory that the Mama Wolf took Leman in because the Emperor put some wolf DNA in Leman so she assumed he was just a very strange wolf.
That sounds really stupid lorewise. Even if one has DNA that aligns with wolves, wolves have eyes. They can very clearly see that you are not a wolf. Put some respect on his mother's (unknown) name!
@@josharko111 you literally have a shark on your profile picture yet you forgot that things such as sense of smell exists. A finnish study on wolves (and other warm-blooded animals) from 2018 shows that there are certain smells that illicit maternal and paternal instincts in animals. Maybe russ smells like a wolf so his parent pitied him? Simple as.
@@josharko111 and what is DNA responsible for? That's right! Bodily features. Tigers have adopted lamb and birds cuckoo younglings just because of a single feature like that, there's plenty of examples like the orlando zoo or the hyperboreal taiga one. Just because you say "nuh uh" doesn't change what has happened.
You actually downplayed the Horus fight. Wasn't just a glancing blow it was enough that if Russ followed up instead of speaking to a Horus that came back to his sense for a brief moment he could have killed him. Horus himself literally said Russ could have won.
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When Russ comes back i want him to be classic Odin. Y'know missing an eye, massive spear, wise, has learned to become a master of magic. I think it would be an interesting contrast to the loud and boisterous thor equivalent he was originally.
There’s a theory that The Tree of Life is Isha and after The Plague Wars and Guilliman/Emperor burning Nurgle’s garden, she got free and Russ is escorting her out of the Eye of Terror.
Remember Murderfang from the Dreadnaught vid with Kiroth way back? Yeah, the Space Wolves found Murderfang on the *Hell World* named *Omnicide*. A planet. Named Omnicide. Is were they found Murderfang. Subtlety 100. The only way they could subdue it was *freezing it with Helfrost tech*, and they still have to freeze it after every use.
So Big E crashed Leman's party, played some party games, got pissed when he lost, and beat the shit out of his son. I'm surprised Leman didn't try to confront him on his lack of understanding how party games even work. Edit: also the fact that the SW call big E the All-father is really funny to me. Odin, the actual all father of Norse mythology, is notorious for having caused his own downfall because he listened to prophecy. If he hadn't chained up Fenrir, thrown Hel into Helheim, and thrown Jormundgandr into the sea, Ragnarok would not have happened, much like how if Big E hadn't disregarded and disrespected Lorgar, Angron, Purterabo, Konrad, Mortarion, and to a slightly lesser extent Magnus, or better yet hadn't created the Primarchs at all, he wouldn't have been forced into the big yellow chair.
I remember reading somewhere that leman actually REALLY didn’t want to hurt Magnus and the thousand sons like he did. He said to Magnus a version of “ it doesn’t have to be this way, please don’t make me do this”
He could've chosen not to open the attack on Prospero with a volley of exterminatus that would wipe out the rest of the planet. He could've chosen to risk himself -- I mean this is THE Leman Russ we're talking about here -- by going down to Prospero, probably with a contingent of Space Wolves, and saying "we're talking to Magnus". By the point the burning began, they already had the planet surrounded, all its communications were cut off, and they had vastly superior forces, like 3x or something. The smallest shred of restraint would've at least stopped the K-Sons and Wolves from shooting on sight, to the point they might've worked something out. It's by far Leman's greatest folly, and I respect GW for having him make the wrong choice, because it's definitely the more interesting one even if it's a bit stupid.
It's weird because there's like two different portrayals. There's another bit during the siege where he's talking to valdor and laughing and saying like "oh yeah I always knew we'd need to wipe these fuckers out. Btw fuck you valdor the emperor isn't your real dad you aren't his family you are a tool, I'm his family. Anyways come on sons let's go kill witches". Warhammer is all over the place some times.
I also heard that he didn’t hate psykers he was just worried about their powers going out of control unlike morty who was all, “all psykers must die, they’re all bad”
@@alexscholz3438he didn't know about chaos and had orders from the warmaster and the Emporer. He defied them and tried to get Magnus to surrender. Then when he looked up on the planet what did he find. Sorcery outlawed by the emperor himself instead as a death sentence to anybody that used it. He was right to exterminatus. He did go planet side to deal with Magnus personally and was attacked by the warp. Loyal brothers and sisters fought demons and the weird. It's wasn't a folly to burn the world. His only folly was not blowing the planet up from orbit.
This is a great vid! As a die hard Russ and space wolves fan I'd like to thank you for actually doing the research and not just spouting the same BS most UA-cam 'lore' channels excrete. I appreciate it! He's one of the most interesting characters in the setting imo
Russ and the Lion are the only primarchs you could actually call brothers opposite sides of the same coin brawling each other and respecting each other more for it and out of all the primarchs they actually look related
I had a feeling there was gonna' be a host turnaround on Leman and the Wolves once their lore was covered. Prospero was BAD, but it's hard to hate these guys' vibes. While I look forward to the soldiers' episode, I'm also excited to get to the Thousand Sons soon. Both because I'm interested in hearing how Chaos Sorcerers tick, and because it'll be a channel milestone once all of the main Space Marine legions are covered. Heck, this episode technically marks the end of the Loyalist Primarchs! Great job, team!
I like to think that Russ didnt go into the warp, and is instead travelling the Imperium Odin style as a cloaked, unassuming old man, observing the highs and lows of the passage of time as a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and wherever he comes across something that could be a significant threat he causes a vision that draws the Space Wolves in on a hunt for him, trusting they'll handle the problem
As long as that comes with a nice mix of him personally solving problems and calling in his sons when he thinks him doing it alone will draw to much attention to his existence or just be too much for even a primarch to handle and requires an army. Alternatively also calling them in when he thinks it would give them a challenge to grow and get more stories and prestige. Its a fun idea though I always love hearing people's headcanon on where Primarchs have been and what they've been doing.
My guess, given that he has abandoned his armor, and his signature gift from the Emperor is a spear, is that he's going to come back as more of an Odin figure, so probably having aged some and maybe wielding new, psychic power, which would REALLY piss off Magnus. And given Odin's connection to both Wolves AND Raven's it would be AMAZING if Corax was related to finding him and bringing him back.
Fun fact: leman actually didn't want to burn prospero. In fact he begged Magnus to simply turn himself, have his people leave the city and have the thousand sons turn themselves in because he didn't want this fight despite what he was asked to do. The only reason he did it the way he did was because after attacking outside the city the thousand sons attacked the space wolves and thus forced their hands even further. It was actually a sad bad decision from both: Magnus for choosing to doom himself and leman for not choosing to stay peaceful.
I mean, Russ made his underlying intentions pretty clear from the get-go. They rolled in to a basically undefended planet; no fleet, no alerts, nothing. Even the crews of the ships and platforms they swept aside had no idea what was going on and there was no sign of any retaliation. In this scenario, the reasonable action is to send an investigation team down and see what the heck is going on. It isn't to open with an orbital bombardment that sets the atmosphere on fire and that the main city of the planet only survives by rapidly turning on the psychic shield array (which, yes, was illegal, but as far as they knew they were under unprovoked attack), which you then take as an admission of guilt. Russ seems like he had already decided this was going to end in genocide (possibly in part due to Horus' manipulations, yes), if only just to hurt Magnus and break the thing he was most proud of (his home). Even if he didn't want Magnus dead (debatable), he definitely wanted him broken.
@@chancesloan901 In fairness to Russ, there was also undoubtedly shenanigans afoot, such as Horus' boys doing their whole 'steal all the psykers' thing and the bloody Ordo Sinister deciding to tag along uninvited. It was always going to be a bloodbath, but Russ did half Horus's job for him.
The best way I've heard the difference between Russ and The Lion is this. "The Lion is a monster pretending to be a man, Leman Russ is a man pretending to be a monster."
Brickybgot a lot of stuff wrong! Like damn. He won the fight with Horus. The Lion and Russ fight ended when the Lion sucker punched Russ. And this resulted in the 2 legions having a punch challenge everytime they meet.
I hope for 2 things in the next episode. 1, The Fang the fortress monastery of the Wolves is probably the strongest structure outside the Emperor's palace. And 2. Space Wolves dont like being called space wolves
Also (and this is my head canon based on an interaction Russ had with Corvus Corax after Horus nearly destroyed Russ) that Russ and Corax met up in the Warp and with the Raven Lord's help, Russ accepted his Warp abilities and they hunted Lorgar down and destroyed him. So if he ever came back, he could come back with Corvus and we get two loyalist primarchs for the price of one
the best theory I have heard so far about the primarchs was that they all have the souls of minor warp gods it explains -why they are so unstable/radically different -why clones of primarchs dont work, because they do not have the warp god souls -the emperor took the knowledge of how to coax these warp god souls into primarch bodies by the chaos gods
Thor did indeed do these, despite being from the Frozen North myself I'm not entirely sure I remember the whole thing but I seem to recall him and Loki teaming up in that story, to take on a raid boss level threat called Utgårds-Loke. So this guy has the same name as Loki, but they are not related in any way.
I feel like Russ' epiphany about not blindly killing whoever he's told was a major contributing factor to the Space Wolves' decisions leading to the Months of Shame.
Weird how the Wolves are all about Norse mythology, and at the same time Valhalla is just a planet. Funnier is the fact that it's in the Ciaphas Cain books - the emperor's silliest clown fighting his funniest battles.
The three Fates are from greek mythos while the 3 Norns are from norse mythos though they are much the same. I think a popular theory is that the Tree of Life is actually that Eldar goddess held prisoner by Nurgle.
48:30 so on this point it should be noted that this isn’t the first time leman and the space wolves have been told to kill a legion. (Allegedly) You don’t get the title of “Emperors Executioner” for no reason. Here’s an except from Alpharius head of the hydra. “‘I doubt that.’ He took a gigantic swig from what was effectively a small barrel in his hand, which reeked of the chemical swill Fenrisians call mjød. ‘But if you insist - we are all an aspect of the Allfather, or have a manner in which we serve. He has His castellan, His herald, His siege-master, His governor, His…’ Here Russ paused and cast a glance over his shoulder at where Magnus stood, some distance away. ‘Sorcerer,’ the Wolf King finished, in tones of distinct displeasure. I said nothing. Russ had not listed himself in his speech. There was little doubt what his role was, at least to anyone who had seen the Wolves fight. Russ has a fury in battle that is a near match for Angron’s, but he possesses a tighter focus. The Wolf King is our father’s executioner. I suspect at least one of my departed brothers could have attested to that fact, although I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that is the case. Call it a feeling, if you will. ‘So I’ll ask you one more time,’ Russ said, fixing me with a stare that would have reduced a mortal to a quivering wreck. ‘What are you supposed to be?’ I smiled at him again. ‘I’m the one that keeps secrets.’ For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh. ‘Hah! Well, in that case, I’m surprised there’s only one of you.’ “ So if Alpharius is correct Lemans context is that the most beloved brother and war master has just relayed an order from the emperor himself. Magnus the red, the brother he KNOWS is delving far to deep into the secrets of the warp and he believes is very dangerous, has finally pushed to far and the emperor has called upon his executioners once again to remove a legion who has gone to far.
He does refer to a few moments from it, but yeah he mixed the two together and made it a tad misleading for the average viewer (I know they’re all about entertainment over accuracy, but the point stands).
18:20 If he was pelted up at the time, it would explain why a dozen of them had died before one of them went, "wait a minute... that's not a wolf cub." Pretty sure he wasn't walking "upright" at them either considering his current teacher wasn't an expert on bi-pedal motion. The more I think about it, that's some Wendigo crap right there for the locals. "It was fast. Too fast. As it killed my friends I saw things poking out of the obvious runt of the pack... His snout was too short, and misshapen, ... Elbows and fingers. Wolves don't have those....."
Russ has a lot of detractors because of what happened at prospero, but there is something every one either forgets or just glosses over. He wasn't alone, he had Constantine Valdor and a whole troop of Custodies onboard. Valdor was the one to remind Russ that Horus Spoke for the Emperor as Warmaster! If Valdor hadn't done that Russ would have been more focused on capturing Magnus. If Magnus had come out and surrendered Russ would have brought him back to the Emperor. That he didn't and left it up to Arimahn, who fired the first shot if you remember, the situation was unsalvageable. I'm not saying Russ is innocent or that he's utterly blameless, but at every stage he made an effort, unsuccessfully, to stop it. When there was no other options he went for the throat.
Great show! I think Fenrisian Wolves are theorised to be humans succumbing to the Wulfen genetic disease, while Thunderwolves are Space Marines suffering the same fate.
The thunderwolves are older than space marines existance on that planet, so second one doesn’t work. But yeah, there are two theories, either mutation of dogs brought to the planet by the original colonists, or members of the original colonists themselves, as the planet is connected heavily to the warp. Has nothing to do with Wulfen though, as that is a genetic defect of the space marines, not just a genetic disease.
One thing that I hear people don't like so much about Space Wolves lore is this idea of the "Wolf Time", I admit it sounds a bit silly out of its context, but in its original context, in the closing lines of an old norse poem describing everyone going mad and killing each other at the end of the world, it goes quite hard. "Axe-time, sword-time, brother shall not spare brother. Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls."
I think the Dauntless Few was in fact a bunch of legions alongside which Guilliman believed could win any war/battle if he was paired up with them. At that point in time Chaos wasn't yet a factor.
56:46 So, those four challenges are taken from the tale of Utgard-Loki. Basically, Thor and Loki are traveling and come across a huge Jotun, who, after some shenanigans, invites them into his home. While there, he challenges them to a series of contests. Loki does an eating contest, Thor has to drain a drinking horn, then wrestle an old woman and, finally, pick up a cat. After he nearly, but not quite, completes each challenge, Utgard-Loki stops him and explains what has been going on. Loki's opponent in the eating context was Fire itself, and thus could not be beaten. The horn Thor drank from was connected to the seas of Midgard, and Thor drank so much it actually lowered the sea level, the old woman was Old Age itself, and cat was Jormungandr, the World Serpent. Utgard-Loki was utterly terrified that Thor managed to do as well as he did and very politely asks him to leave.
We are the wolf that stalks the stars in the sky and swallows the star-fire, We hide amongst the night when light is gone, The Light is within us. We run the ruins of fire in the darkness, Foes burn in our passing. For Russ! For the Allfather!
The thing is Leman was an inch from killing Horus. Only hesitating when the true Horus from before the corruption returned the blink of an eye, and the chaos gods took over and empowered Horus more and Horus struck Leman. Wounding him severely, if any of the other legions accompanied him, the Heresy would have ended long before the Siege of Terra.
Fun Fact: Freki & Geri's names are indeed from Norse mythology; they are the names of Allfather Odin's pet wolves (most folk know about Odin's ravens, but not many know he also had a pair of wolves). Ironically, Odin is prophesied to be killed & eaten by the giant monster wolf Fenrir/Fenris during Ragnarok. Additionally, the three trials of the Erlking (German for "Elf King", BTW) that Leman Russ failed at were indeed based on a trio of challenges that Thor failed at while visiting the castle of the Jötunn King Utgard Loki (not to be confused with the trickster god Loki Laufeyson, who also accompanied Thor on this trip and failed his own challenge). First, a great drinking horn that Thor failed to empty even with three tries that was actually connected to the ocean (but Thor drank so much that he ended up causing the tides). Second was wrestling an old woman who was actually the embodiment of Old Age (though Thor was only forced to one knee in this fight), and the third challenge was to lift a cat off the ground which was actually Jormungandr the World Serpent (though Thor managed to get one foot of the cat off the ground, which nearly destabilized the world). So yeah, Thor is actually scarily strong and was immediately banned from ever returning to Utgard. Also, the proper name for the Fates of Norse mythology are the Norns. They don't really do a weaving thing, that's strictly a thing of the Greek Fates.
In Norse the are called the Norns the fates are the Greek ones also space wolves is what the imperium calls them as fenrisian is too hard to grasp same with all the wolf unit names, the call themselves Vlka Fenryka which is a cultural and poetic reference as in the sagas the closet you can get as a translation is We are the Wolves that stark the stars or more common but less poetic Wolves of Fenris. The codex is written from the imperial side but if you read the novels they use the real word more like Aett instead of the the fang or jarl instead of wolf lord. The wolves is interesting because they are so misunderstood just like the Norse mythology and the Norse people of the Viking age. Russ will hopefully come back in a Odin impersonation
I do wish they'd lean harder into the viking theming with a bit of a wolf flourish, but I suppose that ship has... not so much sailed but rather capsized and sunk before ever leaving the fjord.
One small detail I think you guys would like is when Leman sent out the "Watchpacks" to all the primarchs. They were space wolf squads sent to each primarch to act as body guards and also spies for malcador. If they got to them alive then malcador knew the primarch they were sent to was loyalist if not then, well you get the idea. One of these watch packs actually fought both kurz on ultramar and honour duels the Lion. Both go how you would expect, but to have the balls to even try would make Leman proud.
Leman did not walk away from his fight with the Lion. Lion punched him and knocked him out while he was laughing I believe. The Lion stabbing him came waaaay later so you kinda combined two different events into one somehow.
I really like that the space wolves refer to the emperor as the all father because even without the Viking theme the fucker was literally the father of ALL the Primarks.
There are three figures in both Greek and Norse mythology that do similar things, they are called the Fates in Ancient Greek mythology and they are called the Norn sisters in Nordic mythology, where also the Tyranid Norn Queens get their name. The Fates are called Clothos, Lachesis and Atropos, and the Norns are called Urd, Verdandi and Skuld. Not sure whom ripped the other off because at this point it's all ancient history.
The Norns and the fates are incredibly similar because Greek and Norse are both indo European cultures Zeus and Odin are both versions of the proto indo European “dyeus pater” which means sky father
My favorite fight between the Lion and Leman was when they got into a fist fight over a miscommunication. In the middle of the fight Leman stops because he realizes how stupid it is and busts out laughing. The Lion thinks Leman is mocking him and knocks him out cold, then storms off. This sparked a fierce rivalry between the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves, and every so often they get together to have this big knock-down, drag-out brawl in memory of their two primarchs getting in a fist fight.
Fenrisian wolves: *growling with murders intent*
Vulkan: *Jamaican accent* “I would like to pet this creature.”
*Vulkan proceeds to deathgrip hug the creatures spine in half*
Dang it now I want to see Vulkan genuinely pet a thunder wolf now
I can even read this in TTS Vulcan's Voice. Good times
@@sparking023 "I want to boop the snoot"
TTS Vulkan was great
“Just a single boop”
My daughter chose the Space Wolves because "My pups will protect me" So she painted up the Thunder Wolves to look like the dogs we have IRL. Thank you gor providing me more stories to share with her ❤
Aww that's super cute!
Very good angry guard doggos
Your daughter has excellent taste.
That's adorable 😍
Truly wholesome
I love how an actual she-wolf is arguably a better parent than the Emperor
Not arguably, just straight up is.
The bar is literally underground on that one
It’s hilarious
LOL
Something poetic there about how a beast is a better parent than the superhuman master of humanity
Bricky completely undersold the fight between the Lion and Leman. The Lion killed a man who had insulted Leman which angered Leman which resulted in the fight. After a while fighting Leman began laughing because the reason they were fighting was stupid however the Lion took it as an insult and knocked him out with one punch. After the siege of terra the lion sought out Leman to finish their fight out of anger because of his constant failures during the Hersey and Lemans inability to make it to terra in time. Leman refuses to fight but the Lion consumed with rage doesn’t care and attacks him moving his blade at the last moment so it wouldn’t kill him. It was one of the rare moments where either of them shed there masks and showed the real versions of themselves.
And it was after Leman discoverd that his old friend the jarl of the 13. Companie had lied to him. And Russ had to kill one of his sons because the curse of the Wolven. So he was pissed enought at he met Lion and his brother spoke not carefully about the killed wulven.
thats what i thought.
I never thought I'd want to "actually" Bricky but damn he was so off. It's important to note that the Lion was mostly angry at himself and used Leman as a scapegoat cause he isn't good with his own emotions.
In a wierd way it brought Lion and Leman closer, Leman even went into the tunnels under his fortress monastery to mourn after hearing about Caliban.
Also, I think the Lion gets a little too much shit for suckerpunching Leman.
If I was bad with emotions, and arguing with my sister, then she just stopped and started laughing her ass off. I can say with certainty that I would be filled with rage, cause I'd assume that she was laughing at me.
I don't think the book actually said the Lion was thinking like that, but from what I understand of his character, that's what I would expect of him.
The man being the leader of a world they were trying to make compliant
"Leman Russ is a man playing the part of a beast; the Lion is a beast playing the part of a man."
Yup!
Key difference is that Leman is a method actor, so he very very often forgets that he's not actually a savage.
@@gama343 More like he starts getting confortable and having fun with it, then Emps points at something and says "KILL" and Leman gets let out of his kennel
Russ isnt a savage and its why he feels disconnected from his legion and homeworld for it at times.
That’s super neat
$20 says Leman comes back with a full Viking beard, one eye, and the wisdom he attained from hanging from the world tree in the warp. The spear he wields is already a motif to Odin's spear!
I hope its not that on the nose. Its already VERY on the nose with the norse themes.
I definitely would like him coming back as a wise figure with a beard but maybe not so much the full Odin backstory that would just be disappointing for real. I trust GW to make a fun spin on that with Leman after how they've handled Guilliman and the Lion.
Could explain why they havent released much in the way of Space Wolf flavour packs or unique characters. It'll come after the Emperors Children and Blood Angels refreshes.
I hope Leman comes back, looks at the Space wolves, and says to them all "Wolves are cringe, and so are you."
Corvus gotta pull up with him
@@Pragabondagreed, I would love to see their own spin on the Odin story they're very obviously leaning into, but I hope they're able to come up with at least SOME original ideas to take it a new direction. I wanna see Leman come back all Warp touched but ENTIRELY uncorrected, full long ass heavily braided and feral beard, half Wolf, fighting with either his spear or an axe also made from beating a demon into axe-shaped compliance (just because I think there's potential for a hilarious moment with him and Grimnar if that were the case, just Leman upon meeting him for the first time being like "huh, couldn't quite punch this little fucker into a blade that shape. Well done." Or something), wizened from 10,000 years of Warp crusading and all that good stuff (I'd be okay with him being one-eyed ONLY if it has nothing to do with Odin's whole saga involving that, just losing it in combat with a big mean ass fuck-ugly scar), and ready to absolutely fucking shred his enemies as he believes the wolftime is upon them. Honestly would be amazing to see even just that version of Leman interact with current Robungus Girklebirk or the Lion as the characters they've become after everything that's happened.
"Every quote I have is too obvious"
"Space Wolves"
I know, I know Entertainment over accuracy.
So I try not to sound bitchy, but Bricky missed the really funny part from the scene when Russ and his Barbarians had the dinner with horus and some imperial nobles.
Becaus Horus send EVERYBODY except Leman out to berate his "embaracement of a barbarian brother" but when the door closes, Leman sits upright in his chair, full etiquette, like he was raised on Terra. Picks up a fork and eats a piece of food from the plate, all propper, gives the suprised Horus a shit eating grinn and asks him in gothic "So, what you wanted to talk about?"
Because he learned all this over the dinner. I love the moments when Leman shows that he is only playing the Barbarian King
This makes me hypothesize that Leman had always been having something else going on while he was playing a savage. And maybe him leaving the legion is like allowing the Wolves to remove their facade. A bit two-faced, probably for a good reason. I wager it's something big. It'd also be interesting to see how someone adept in trickery and espionage like Alpharius views Leman.
@@ngominh259 Have a quote from Alpharius in his Primarch novel:
We are tools, of that I have no doubt. I do not think many of my brothers realise this fact, but Russ is one who does. He does not like me any more than Rogal does - in fact, I would say considerably less - but I found him next to me at a victory feast once, and we exchanged words. He was drunk, or seemed so: I suspect this was a low ruse on his part, for our very natures allow us to metabolise all but the most potent toxins without harm. However, drunkenness seems more suited to the roaring, fur-clad giant that is Russ than it does the patrician nobility of Guilliman, or the dourness of Perturabo, and so some might underestimate him.
Also, later on in the feast:
‘What are you supposed to be, then?’ he demanded of me. I had not long revealed myself to my brothers, and this was the first time we had spoken.
I smiled at him. ‘I am Alpharius.’
Russ grunted in response. ‘I asked “what”, not “who”.’
[...]
smiled at him again. ‘I’m the one that keeps secrets.’
For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh.
‘Hah! Well, in that case, I’m surprised there’s only one of you.’
@@johnsmith-hn2vu Russ totally knew, that's great
36:55 a little bit of correction there: Yes, Leman and the Lion were fighting for an entire day out of a dispute. But here’s the thing, while Leman was laughing at the whole situation, Lion took it as an insult and kocked Leman out with a sucker punch (like Father like Son).
But now to where Bricky got the stab part. After Dorn and Kahn put Big E on the Throne, Lion was emotionally filled. He was sad and angry and to release it, he wanted to fight Leman again, but he refused to fight another brother in a time such as this. Lion then stabbed Leman to provoke him, but Leman continued to deny him the fight and so the Lion left. Just wanted to clear up a misconception.
DK: “Ultramarines coming from Ultramar and their name sequence is so dumb and I hate it”
DK following the Blood Angels and Space Wolves episodes: “Thats sooo cool! I’ll allow it!”
Rule of cool is always present lmao
Bro a reference to their planet is completely different that just adding a few extra letters to end of the planet's name and calling themselves that. The Space Wolves come from Fenris, and the Blood Angels from Ball. Their names make reference to their hone world.
It should be made clear the Russ won the actual fight with the ascended Horus and had him at his mercy, but when the spear brought back the real Horus, Leman tried to save his brother which ended with Horus revealing that despite chaos he still thinks the Emperor is a monster that needs to die and sucker punches him. Though the wound Russ dealt Horus would end up devastating the traitor war effort.
Horus was put into a coma which cost the traitors months and the loyalists gained time to reinforce.
It stopped the loyalist from being completely destroyed and routed at Beta Garmmon.
It caused the Word Bearers coup and cost the traitors their biggest legion, their daemon summoners and a primarch.
It also made Horus a non-entity for most of the siege.
Also Guilliman and the Lion would have never made it in time to threaten Horus' rear forcing the gambit resulting in the loyalists complete destruction.
Yep another reason to read the books and not just the wikis!
Gosh I wish we actually explored Horus’s personal reasons for abandoning the emperors instead of this whole “Lol I’m possessed by a DEMON” BS we have now.
Or RUSS COULD HAVE JUST FINISHED THE JOB INSTEAD OF HAVING THE EGO TO THINK HE COULD SAVE HORUS.
That bit about the lion and Russ being opposites is really interesting. Lions look like regal lords of their domain, but are often kleptoparasitic, let the lionesses do everything, and infanticidal. Wolves look more...mangy(?) but are actually more likely to do their own killing, the largest wolves take on the hardest roles, and almost never kill their kids.
Also,
"That'd be a pretty dope place where humans and wolves live together."
Dogs. You are thinking of dogs.
Male lions only kill OTHER male lions' kids.
Yup. Huskies are pretty close to being wolves iirc, and we do have some pretty enormous dog breeds
While this was believed for a long time, new research has shown that this not the case anymore. Researchers have found male lions are very active at night, both occasionally hunting small game, or, protecting their own pups from night predators. Since they are large, they are good for keeping other predators from attacking the pride. So they don’t contribute much to larger hunts, but do play an important role in the pride.
@@Tortle-Man ^This. Male lions aren't parasites on the pride. They serve important functions within it.
Evolution abhors waste so if Male Lions served no purpose their race would look a lot different.
The point about Leman being a Knight with the outward appearance of a Savage is actually so on the bloody nose. And it's always great when he lets how smart and controlled he is shows through. Like when he was talking with Kaspar Hauser in Prospero Burns. Or even in his first conversation with Horus when there's that moment where Horus realizes that Leman's teasing him and is nothing like he's presenting as.
Leman also beat Malcador in Regicide.
Malcador. Mister super brain Perpetual who can literally read minds lost a game of tactics against Leman.
To Quote the Lion:
"The foolish see the savagery of the Space Wolves and dismiss it as nothing more than that, but Lion El’Jonson knows better. There is a calculated rage within his brother that longs to spring forward and lay waste, but Russ usually keeps it under tight control, and only lets loose when sanctioned. He is no mindless berserker; every action has a purpose, which is the destruction of his enemy as efficiently as possible."
@@FoxHound-ut1hu It's a pity people focus so much on their first duel that they forget just how HIGHLY The Lion and Leman think of each other.
A quote I like about Russ is from Guilliman during the Plague Wars. He's messing with a custodes, being intentionally obtuse, and he says to the custodes: "be glad I returned instead of Leman Russ - for humor's sake, he would punch you, then scold you for not laughing."
Big E: Let's have a challenge. If I win you have to join me, if you win I'll leave you alone. Yes, you can choose the activity
"Leman Wins"
Big E: You know what? F my rules! You'll join me whether you want to or not! "I CAST FIST!"
I love how after everything is said and done, Big E will straight up throw a temper tantrum and result to "might makes right" when something doesn't go his way or when someone pulls the rug under him. We know where Perturabo took this from.
And people still insist that nothing he did was ever wrong,it's all part of emperor's ineffable "master plan"! Yes even the part where people are diyng by the millions or getting fates WORSE than death,especially those.
@@sandrojoseferraz340 while the Imperium of the Great Crusade times was much better than current 40k to live in, it was still a bloody regime, just without the religious worship
@sandrojoseferraz340 I feel like this is particularly poignant because of how he is worshipped as a God in the 42nd millennium. Much like modern believers in a higher power, they will insist that everything, even the most awful, horrible things, are part of an infallible "master plan." I personally wonder if G-Dubs wrote it this way to inspire this kind of discourse in the fandom.
Note this isn't a dig against religious folks - just an interesting parallel.
Incorrect.
Russ boasted after 2 near wins for him in the eating and drinking contest, russ noticed something was odd, but didnt question because he got drunk and then claimed he could even defeat the emperor in a fight as well. Emperor cast fist. Russ woke up with a headache, declared to his people he was too buzzed to fight, but that the Emperor is worthy and chose to follow because he was already convinced before by how the Emperor acted and the appeal of going with his siblings and soldiers out conquering not just the monsters, but entire planets. Emperors single hit knockout just gave Russ the clarity of mind of it having been a "i didnt want to ruin our fun dad-son moment before you have to be civilized and to not disgrace your people cheating for you" scene.
@@d-pod_L 40k to me is very much so an allegory on the dangers of extremes in general. Absolute religion is just as constricting as absolute atheism in different regards and will always lead to endless purging because you're not letting humanity simply exist the way we do naturally.
Both of them deny a vital part of the human spirit (spirituality even) so its kind of a given both are going to end up a society that's inhuman and hostile to that human spirit. I find it interesting that both regimes were/are in love with the IDEA of human superiority while also having absolute disgust for the actual reality of human nature.
Russ did stab Horus. That spear did work. Briefly. It was a very disturbing scene and I think bricky completely misrepresented what happened
Yeah, earlier in the canon, Horus and Russ talk about who would win in a fight between the two of them, and after their fight Horus admits that if Leman wasn’t conflicted about killing him, he would have curb stomped Horus.
I feel like people misrepresent Leman way too often, as far as how many primarch fights he’s won, 3/4 fyi, but more importantly, they make leman look like an idiot because he manufactures this image for himself and people don’t always seem to understand how layered he is as a character.
@@justsomeguywhowantsamust-iw1yj People always forget the moment when Sanguinius talks about everyones ability to duel. Sanguinius flat out said that if Leman fully unleashed NONE OF THEM would be able to stop him alone.
@Nempo13 we also have to take into account his own words. Leman doesn't know if he can take kurze. Angron was a close thing before the daemoning. Now? Even closer to gone. Mortarion as a daemon? No chance. Just like gorilla man. Magnus? Absolutely. Magnus too broken to challenge leman.
@Nempo13 I’ll be honest, he’s my favourite primarch, but even I don’t believe that. I’d say the top 3 are Leman, Lion, and Sanguinius, in no particular order.
@@Nempo13 and like any time a primarch comment on another primarchs strength is insanely inconsistent and many times nonsensical
Fun facts about leman
He viewd the emperor as hes creator not his father
He saw malkador kind as a father
He wrote the omega codex , a book describing how to destroy a space marine legion
He always knew exactly what rune priest are
They are two versions of his final words
The space wolfs during the heresy worshipd the emperor
Edit
When guiliman told him to separate the chapters he said that he will decide the legion into 13 great company's with a (wolf) lord in charge of every one, the trick... The space wolfs were already separated in 13 great company's that were set up like chapters and the lords were all loyal to the great wolf
So even today the wolves are a legion pretending to be 12 different chapters
Only fenrisians can become space wolfs
Caul fixed it somehow
The current chapter master master double wields a spear made by the emperor and an axe made by khorne
Edit 2
Just remembered the original name was the rout
The wolves were one of the "secret legions in the unification wars , the other we're the dragon warriors ( salamander's) the alpha legion ( of course) and the thousand sons
If leman hows loud enough psychic powers nearby stop working
If leman doesn't return with a beard i will not be able to express my disappointment
Edit 3 leman and magnus spoke to the emperor defending lorgar thas saving him from obliteration
Konstantin valdor liked russ
He and leman owned twin spears from the emperor, Konstantin always used it as the emperor said to him, leman touched it once and then never ( this is the one that I think the chapter master has)
When leman left Valdor felt it and also left real space to do things
( Two metaphysical spears/ the departure)( i haven't read penitent but heard that something happens with Konstantin)
Of course he wrote the book on destroying a space marine Legion; who do you think the 2nd and 11th were destroyed?
Cawl "fixed" it by taking children from Fenris and turning them into Primaris over the years.
@@logangrimnar3800 thank you
disagree on the worship part.
@@BananenbaumEY ‘You do not believe it?’ said Horus. Leman of the Russ shrugged. ‘When gods come from the sky and tell you there are no gods, it takes littletime to see what is true and what is not.’ ‘And what do you think is true?’ ‘I think a believer who ceases to believe when the truth of his world confirms those beliefs is a fool,’ he said simply. ‘It doesn’t matter what gods say. We don’t pay much attention to them. They are as drunk and stupid as we.’ He grinned.
Russ to horus on their first meeting
The single best line in Rogue Trader is you talking to a Space Wolf about how they say wolf a lot and he laughs and says "You are not wrong there. It seems like every other word out of a Fenrisian's mouth is wolf"
At least they are aware of their whole shtick.
Honestly that's how I hope they would be about it.
I could see them either laughing it off or just immediately trying to eat you with little in between
Kinky @@Pragabond
@@Pragabond The Space Wolves are more than capable of laughing at themselves. Even for the serious stuff. Russ told Malcador he knew how bad the optics of Rune Priests are while he's raging against Psykers.
And I think that softens a lot of their worst qualities. Sure, they can be blunt, hypocritical and crude, but I feel there's something redeemable and endearing about someone that knows he has those flaws.
The best way i've seen a Space Wolf be represented is Sven Bloodhowl in battlefleet gothic armada 2's opening
Really selling the wolf motif but without outright saying wolf except when saying his chapter's name
Fun fact, PETA tried to destroy warhammer because the space wolf minis have wolf pelts.... yes, the plastic minis have platic wolf pelts... the horror.
That's the most PETA thing that I have ever heard. This is the same organization that euthanizes 99% of the animals in their shelters where actual shelters strive to rehome 90% of their animals.
PETA is too unhinged to understand the concept of picking one's battles.
@@Pazuzu4All PETA is too unhinged to even understand that idea something ISNT a battle for real
There's an art piece with Lion dressed in with the pelt of a Calibanin lion over his armor. I don't think anyone cares what PETA thinks.
you mean that the people who would abduct animals to kill them out of "mercy" are unhinged and bad at picking battles?
The eating and drinking contest between the Emperor and Russ is just the best thing ever
I just love the idea of Russ saying like L'Chaim! Before drinking with his dad !
I bet Emps was relieved that the challenge was only about eating and drinking, and not fighting/forging.
It sounds a lot like some old Norse myths about Thor.
@@Pazuzu4Alloh I wonder who Russ was to be an analog for?
I'd like to think Big E enjoyed the journey back to simpler times of his "youth" and just having a feast with his child.
The theory I've heard that I like the concept of about the true nature of the Primarchs is that they're literally Greater Daemons of the Emperor bound in human bodies. Which is why Corvax becomes what he becomes spending so much time in the warp, and the great trick played on the Daemon Primarchs: Becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't actually upgrade them, it just strips off the human layers.
Similarly i think that they are other lesser entities, living ideas clad in flesh given the gift of an identity
I think that's also the prevailing theory concerning Saint Celestine, she's a demon of the Emperor, taken the appearance of his Angel
imo the theory is bad. Demon Princes have their souls removed. If the souls were powerful warp entities then each time a primarch died or became a prince we'd see the warp entity released
@@jaosborne2763Well they're not typical Daemons. They're Daemons made by the Emperor.
Presumably the soul stuff would be made by him so when they die logic dictates they return to him rather than the Warp.
Big E is not dumb or foolish. He wouldn't create a super daemon bound to Transhuman flesh if them dying would unleash said Daemon upon the world.
I think the knowledge stolen by the Emperor was about creating demons, think about it, Chaos Gods can create demons, but Gork and Mork or Eldar Gods can't(Or at least were never shown or stated to have this ability)
I love that one difference between Leman's challenges and Thor's is that Thor had to lift a cat, but Leman had to lift a wolf because wolf.
the 4 trials thing that Rus had to do are literally just references to the things Thor had to try to do in the myth of Utgard Loki. But there were only 3 in that. The bowl for the myth was the seas, the crone was old age, and the wolf was a cat in the myth, but it was the world serpent in reality.
It's one of my favorite norse myths actually
Its definitely one of the more interesting ones, since everybody involved (Loki and Thor's new manservant as well) get hardcore humbled and then take actual pride in their abilities when the truth is revealed, rather than just swelling their egos
Was looking for this comment because I had the exact same thought! Glad someone else noticed.
Also I think the ending of Lemans story where he gets stabbed with his own spear to gain knowledge is a reference to how Odin stabbed himself with a spear and hung from Yggdrasil for 9 days to gain the knowledge of Runes
Russ gets an episode the week my city gets the 9th highest amount of snow recorded in its history after a snowless winter....how interesting
the cold comes in his wake.
Fun fact: Fenrisian krakens are theorized by the magos biologious to be of tyranid origin after examining hide the wolves had, I do not remember if that hide was from the elder kraken that Russ alleged to fought with.
Couldn't be. The signal that draws the hive fleets to the galaxy is fired during the Heresy. Russ's Kraken is killed before that.
@@Ashtor1337 not to be that guy but it’s been stated that Tyranids probably found their way to the galaxy before the Pharos thing went boom. It is unknown how or why. The same analysis was made of the catachan devil and one other which escapes me right now. I don’t remember the exact quote but I’ll look for it,
@@Ashtor1337 We have a few instances of Tyranid Vanguard fleets entering the galaxy before the Pharos incident.
@@FoxHound-ut1hu it may be that the nids don't actually wipe out ALL life, or if they do they've been around long enough that they can just come back later after more life arises. Remember the War in heaven was ~60 million years ago, but the galaxy has been in more or less the same state as it is now and in 40k in terms of conditions where life can arise for multiple billions of years.
@@FoxHound-ut1hu this is also Games Workshop continuity we're dealing with here, sooooo.....
Fun fact: Despite cultivating his brash personality, Russ was secretly kind of a nerd.
He secretly read most of Lorgar's writing, but had no one to really talk about them to.
can you give me a source for this i would love to read it for myself
Russ' books. He's also cares about his brothers and trys to keep them of the shit list.
Just about every Primarch is on the spectrum in some way so im very unsurprised lol
Space Angel drinks blood wine to fill their thirst.
Space Wolves drinks Mjod to fill their buzz until the next battle.
Admit it, you all want to party up with Wolves instead of Angels.
After playing Rogue Trader, definitely.
If we'd picked up a BA in Commorragh instead of Ulfar, I'd imagine I'd come back to him hunting my crew with Marazhai.
Blood Angels don't party because they have to go to church next morning.
Or go to the Ravenguard's wine tasting.
either way I'd probably end up dead afterwards
You can also describe the Russ vs Lion dynamic as Russ being a dog and Lion is a cat.
Or is it? Because Russ acting as a savage is a facade to hide his cunning and observation skills (like a cat), while the Lion is actuslly the loyal execitioner dog of the Imperium.
@@Dracobyte well, cats are considered assholes even by the owners who love them so it checks out with the Lion. You have a cat, it's a nice cat, until you irk him then he scratches you in a hissy fit. Cats are also superior predators to dogs.
@@Dracobyte i mean, dogs will act real aggressive until they know you, then they're your best friend
Cats will act all aloof and cautious until they know you, then they don't care that you know they're assholes.
Leman Russ is the jock in high school who was actually like a good kid, Lion is the kid everyone genuinely thought was gonna do *something* one day so everyone was kinda nice to him like out of self-preservation.
Leman's got two books, pretty much. Wolfsbane is the Horus Hresy book about him, whereas Wolf King is his specific Primarch book, similar the Kurze's or Alpharius. Wolfsbane is just another HH book.
One bonus point I heard was that, when Leman woke up after being punched out by the Emperor, he blamed his headache on his drinking instead of, you know, *being one-punched unconscious.*
Lemans head is so thick he probably didn’t even feel it.
You may have missed something important about Russ vs Horus. The spear wound briefly removed the chaos influence and he felt hollow after. Russ tries to convince Horus to return to Terra with him but Horus refuses.
In slight defense of Leman's actions on Prospero, there is a precedent for the Emperor ordering complete annihilation, Russ would know of the fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions, so being told the Emperor wants all the Thousand Sons dead wouldn't be a huge stretch
What about the innocent civilians?
@@drigoleus1055 you know 40k right?
Except he was told to do it by a daemon cosplaying as Horus, which he rationalized as Magnus trying to trick him or something because he was looking for any excuse to kill Magnus, so he decided to kill Magnus against his direct orders to capture him, despite knowing that it wasn't even really Horus who "changed the orders".
@@gama343 except he ALSO tried to contact Magnus multiple times before going full wolf force, and fully planned to bring magnus back in chains as per the original order until Magnus vox-ghosted him out of pride. Leman was displeased by this and unleashed the wolves, which fucked up a lot more than even expected since Magnus also self-sabotaged the defenses as some sort of suicide sacrifice/penance despite having had ample opportunity to simply go "i surrender". I dont remember ever hearing that it was a daemon either, I've always heard it was Horus himself who gave the order, and in any case Leman would have simply killed the daemon if he knew what he was talking to, and DEFINITELY wouldnt have followed it's orders or thought it a trick by magnus (because why would he order his own death to the one primarch who he thinks would leap on that chance to do that?). Leman also really regretted the events of Prospero by the Wolfsbane book
@@hippiecheapskate i mean yeah, but still, even by 40K standard Russ had no chill
The thing about Prospero is that Russ let his worst self make the decisions there, and Magnus was too up his own ass to realize he done fucked up. Neither one was acting rationally in the moment.
Which, honestly, is kind of why i like that bit of characterization for Russ. A lot of times they make you want to believe the space viking thing is just an act on his part, but it's not. There really is a scary savagery lurking inside the man. gives him more depth in my opinion.
I'd like to see Leman come out more Odin. Than wolf
It's so nice of Rus to provide fresh raid content and dailies for his boys via visions.
Bricky totally messed up the Lion VS Russ thing. The Lion Disarmed Russ, Russ admits in his own POV that in a real fight he would have died then and there, but the lion didn't strike, they brawled for 2 days straight, russ laughed and got knocked out by the Lion. The Lion then left. The Stabbing is completely unrelated to this. The Lion stabs Russ for failing to protect the Emperor when he had the chance to kill Hours, but actually the Lion does it because he tries not to blame himself (he is literally copeing). Thats all in Russ own Primarch Book: Horus Heresy Primarchs: Leman Russ
The motto of adeptus redicules. Fun over accuracy. Just like how bricky messed up slannesh birth in his 40k timeline video
Thank you. I was going to comment in this error from Bricky. This fist fight created the tradition between the Dark Angels and Space Wolves by having a representive to fight each other whenever the two legions meet up.
Russ never says that, Russ is disarmed and the lion could have stabbed him but Russ famously had his heart exploded by Magnus' fist and it didn't slow him so it's unlikely the stab would have killed him. Your also forgetting that Russ had the advantage by the end of the fight and had the opportunity to beat the Lion into the ground before he broke out laughing at how foolish the fight was.
The one thing I would add to this is the Horus fight, the spear hit wasn’t a glancing blow, and it is implied that Russ could have killed him then and there… but he hesitated when he saw his real brother again, not the chaos puppet, then got his ass beat
@@wolflordgio6320 "For a moment, all Russ saw was the opportunity. That last impact had nearly taken his brother’s helm clean off - he could leap to his feet, shove him back to the parapet’s edge, press the advantage and beat him down to his knees."
My favorite Primarch honestly. He has by far the best character arc in the Horus Heresy. He went through so much growth and his journey to self understanding was honestly amazing to see. To see him move passed his mistakes and become a better man at the end. Great character.
Omg someone who can comprehend what a story is and actually see what growth and change means instead of ignoring all that change and crying about the two or three things he did wrong or hypocritical about once
Yup!
I can't honestly get over how people miss this about Russ. Always reassuring to see others get it! Easily one of the best character arcs in the HH
@@Shinsay Because I noticed many of them read only A Thousand Sons and think they are experts on Wolves. And honestly overall I see a lot of vitriol towards Wolves, Russ and their fans in the fanbase. Especially large 40k youtubers also tend to really shit on Wolves. Heartbreaking for me honestly.
Another super likeable thing about Leman: he *plays* the 'fool king,' it's an act. He'll let people clown on him and *think* he's dumb or whatever, when really he's tactically studying them in ways they wouldn't show if they took him as seriously as they ought to.
So like where Lion is very socially awkward because he's like a lion - a feral beast - trying to 'play human' while studying everyone in the room, Leman's succeeded in his ruse of puppy play to get everyone show him everything themselves.
Actually Leman and Lorgar both head very spiritual legions and they were ultra loyal to the Emperor (pre-Monarchia). So they actually do have a lot in common.
There's a hilarious moment where Magnus tells Lorgar that the only thing he and Leman both ever agreed on was that they liked Lorgar lol
Russ probably didn’t question Horus because he and the Wolves were manipulated into hating the Sons by chaos through the Conservator Kasper Hawser. Chaos hoped that the Wolves and Sons would destroy each other because they couldn’t accomplish their goals with both combining forces. Forgot the exact quote.
18:15 I like that neither Bricky nor DK consider that Leman might have been wearing the furs of literally any animal his wolf packs might have hunted. There are dire wolves on this planet. Obviously, there's got to be prey animals big enough to feed them. Leman probably skinned and wore one of those.
Bjorn is tactically the oldest living space marine if you count dreadnoughts
Even the inquisition respects Bjorn cause he fought beside Russ and the Emperor which he finds hilarious how they start kowtowing to him when he’s awoken to speak to the inquisitors and grey knight chapter master during the months of shame
Konrad curves is crazy
Double meaning
@@shibuishibui3706 😏 I'm pretty proud of this name. Thought it was clever. But yeah crazy
Aside from all the other oldest space marine dreadnoughts out there, like the word bearer on that other planet with the original lectitio divinitatus, for example, Bjorn is the oldest.
Btw the whole thing with constests of eating and drinking thats not just for shits and giggles. That Warhammer directly referencing norse Mythology. There is a story where Thor and Loki visit the great hall of a giant named loki and compete in various contests. These ended up including a drinking contest, and an eating constest. So yeah its funny but its also a good omage to true norse mythology.
Oh and Russ can be read the way you guys have been doing. Or it can be read as "Rooss" which is the name of one of the great viking kingdoms founded during the high viking era. Its also the kingdom from which the country "Russia" ( land or the russ) derives it's name from. Which is also dope.
If I recall correctly, there is a theory that the Mama Wolf took Leman in because the Emperor put some wolf DNA in Leman so she assumed he was just a very strange wolf.
In deliverance lost one raven guard apothecary says that one of the primarchs has k9 DNA
That sounds really stupid lorewise. Even if one has DNA that aligns with wolves, wolves have eyes. They can very clearly see that you are not a wolf. Put some respect on his mother's (unknown) name!
@@josharko111 you literally have a shark on your profile picture yet you forgot that things such as sense of smell exists.
A finnish study on wolves (and other warm-blooded animals) from 2018 shows that there are certain smells that illicit maternal and paternal instincts in animals. Maybe russ smells like a wolf so his parent pitied him? Simple as.
@@secretname2670 mate DNA doesn't have a smell. Even if it did she probably would only have noticed a weird smelling human pup.
@@josharko111 and what is DNA responsible for? That's right! Bodily features. Tigers have adopted lamb and birds cuckoo younglings just because of a single feature like that, there's plenty of examples like the orlando zoo or the hyperboreal taiga one. Just because you say "nuh uh" doesn't change what has happened.
You actually downplayed the Horus fight. Wasn't just a glancing blow it was enough that if Russ followed up instead of speaking to a Horus that came back to his sense for a brief moment he could have killed him. Horus himself literally said Russ could have won.
afaik, Russ can beat up any of the other Primarchs 1 on 1 in the Tabletop. All of them.
Tbf that was pretty fucking stupid when that happened.
@@falscher2 he was built for it
I would love a Necromunda episode sometime, I think Bricky and DK would get a kick out of all the gangs and shenanigans
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When Russ comes back i want him to be classic Odin. Y'know missing an eye, massive spear, wise, has learned to become a master of magic. I think it would be an interesting contrast to the loud and boisterous thor equivalent he was originally.
There’s a theory that The Tree of Life is Isha and after The Plague Wars and Guilliman/Emperor burning Nurgle’s garden, she got free and Russ is escorting her out of the Eye of Terror.
Remember Murderfang from the Dreadnaught vid with Kiroth way back? Yeah, the Space Wolves found Murderfang on the *Hell World* named *Omnicide*. A planet. Named Omnicide. Is were they found Murderfang. Subtlety 100.
The only way they could subdue it was *freezing it with Helfrost tech*, and they still have to freeze it after every use.
So Big E crashed Leman's party, played some party games, got pissed when he lost, and beat the shit out of his son. I'm surprised Leman didn't try to confront him on his lack of understanding how party games even work.
Edit: also the fact that the SW call big E the All-father is really funny to me. Odin, the actual all father of Norse mythology, is notorious for having caused his own downfall because he listened to prophecy. If he hadn't chained up Fenrir, thrown Hel into Helheim, and thrown Jormundgandr into the sea, Ragnarok would not have happened, much like how if Big E hadn't disregarded and disrespected Lorgar, Angron, Purterabo, Konrad, Mortarion, and to a slightly lesser extent Magnus, or better yet hadn't created the Primarchs at all, he wouldn't have been forced into the big yellow chair.
Corvus corax and Leman russ had a pretty good relationship from the lore I've read. They seemed pretty close.
Considering irl crows are pals with wolves, it makes sense
I remember reading somewhere that leman actually REALLY didn’t want to hurt Magnus and the thousand sons like he did. He said to Magnus a version of “ it doesn’t have to be this way, please don’t make me do this”
I beg you lower your shields
-Prospero burns
The changer of ways made sure this message would not reach the ears of Magnus
He could've chosen not to open the attack on Prospero with a volley of exterminatus that would wipe out the rest of the planet. He could've chosen to risk himself -- I mean this is THE Leman Russ we're talking about here -- by going down to Prospero, probably with a contingent of Space Wolves, and saying "we're talking to Magnus". By the point the burning began, they already had the planet surrounded, all its communications were cut off, and they had vastly superior forces, like 3x or something. The smallest shred of restraint would've at least stopped the K-Sons and Wolves from shooting on sight, to the point they might've worked something out.
It's by far Leman's greatest folly, and I respect GW for having him make the wrong choice, because it's definitely the more interesting one even if it's a bit stupid.
It's weird because there's like two different portrayals. There's another bit during the siege where he's talking to valdor and laughing and saying like "oh yeah I always knew we'd need to wipe these fuckers out. Btw fuck you valdor the emperor isn't your real dad you aren't his family you are a tool, I'm his family. Anyways come on sons let's go kill witches".
Warhammer is all over the place some times.
I also heard that he didn’t hate psykers he was just worried about their powers going out of control unlike morty who was all, “all psykers must die, they’re all bad”
@@alexscholz3438he didn't know about chaos and had orders from the warmaster and the Emporer. He defied them and tried to get Magnus to surrender. Then when he looked up on the planet what did he find. Sorcery outlawed by the emperor himself instead as a death sentence to anybody that used it. He was right to exterminatus. He did go planet side to deal with Magnus personally and was attacked by the warp. Loyal brothers and sisters fought demons and the weird. It's wasn't a folly to burn the world. His only folly was not blowing the planet up from orbit.
This is a great vid! As a die hard Russ and space wolves fan I'd like to thank you for actually doing the research and not just spouting the same BS most UA-cam 'lore' channels excrete. I appreciate it! He's one of the most interesting characters in the setting imo
Russ and the Lion are the only primarchs you could actually call brothers opposite sides of the same coin brawling each other and respecting each other more for it and out of all the primarchs they actually look related
I would argue dorn and fulgrim look related as well as perturabo and alpharius omegon.
I had a feeling there was gonna' be a host turnaround on Leman and the Wolves once their lore was covered. Prospero was BAD, but it's hard to hate these guys' vibes.
While I look forward to the soldiers' episode, I'm also excited to get to the Thousand Sons soon. Both because I'm interested in hearing how Chaos Sorcerers tick, and because it'll be a channel milestone once all of the main Space Marine legions are covered. Heck, this episode technically marks the end of the Loyalist Primarchs! Great job, team!
I like to think that Russ didnt go into the warp, and is instead travelling the Imperium Odin style as a cloaked, unassuming old man, observing the highs and lows of the passage of time as a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and wherever he comes across something that could be a significant threat he causes a vision that draws the Space Wolves in on a hunt for him, trusting they'll handle the problem
I enjoy this theory a lot and like more than the warp theory
As long as that comes with a nice mix of him personally solving problems and calling in his sons when he thinks him doing it alone will draw to much attention to his existence or just be too much for even a primarch to handle and requires an army.
Alternatively also calling them in when he thinks it would give them a challenge to grow and get more stories and prestige.
Its a fun idea though I always love hearing people's headcanon on where Primarchs have been and what they've been doing.
My guess, given that he has abandoned his armor, and his signature gift from the Emperor is a spear, is that he's going to come back as more of an Odin figure, so probably having aged some and maybe wielding new, psychic power, which would REALLY piss off Magnus. And given Odin's connection to both Wolves AND Raven's it would be AMAZING if Corax was related to finding him and bringing him back.
Why do I get the feeling Russ is in the warp and has been turned into a MASSIVE Werewolf
I feel like he probably has become something like Odin, and not just that remember his spear his also sometimes referred as gungnir as well.
Genuinely the saddest thing I learned from this episode is the Space Wolves filling Leman's cup just in case he comes back.
Fun fact: leman actually didn't want to burn prospero. In fact he begged Magnus to simply turn himself, have his people leave the city and have the thousand sons turn themselves in because he didn't want this fight despite what he was asked to do. The only reason he did it the way he did was because after attacking outside the city the thousand sons attacked the space wolves and thus forced their hands even further. It was actually a sad bad decision from both: Magnus for choosing to doom himself and leman for not choosing to stay peaceful.
I mean, Russ made his underlying intentions pretty clear from the get-go. They rolled in to a basically undefended planet; no fleet, no alerts, nothing. Even the crews of the ships and platforms they swept aside had no idea what was going on and there was no sign of any retaliation. In this scenario, the reasonable action is to send an investigation team down and see what the heck is going on.
It isn't to open with an orbital bombardment that sets the atmosphere on fire and that the main city of the planet only survives by rapidly turning on the psychic shield array (which, yes, was illegal, but as far as they knew they were under unprovoked attack), which you then take as an admission of guilt.
Russ seems like he had already decided this was going to end in genocide (possibly in part due to Horus' manipulations, yes), if only just to hurt Magnus and break the thing he was most proud of (his home). Even if he didn't want Magnus dead (debatable), he definitely wanted him broken.
@@Gitskreig that's fair, Russ essentially decided to do what Gulliman did when burning Lorgar's world. It's definitely the fault of both
@@chancesloan901 In fairness to Russ, there was also undoubtedly shenanigans afoot, such as Horus' boys doing their whole 'steal all the psykers' thing and the bloody Ordo Sinister deciding to tag along uninvited. It was always going to be a bloodbath, but Russ did half Horus's job for him.
The best way I've heard the difference between Russ and The Lion is this.
"The Lion is a monster pretending to be a man, Leman Russ is a man pretending to be a monster."
Brickybgot a lot of stuff wrong! Like damn. He won the fight with Horus. The Lion and Russ fight ended when the Lion sucker punched Russ. And this resulted in the 2 legions having a punch challenge everytime they meet.
Entertainment before accuracy
@@Howler452 Pretty good excuse to not even read the wiki before making an hour long video ngl
I hope for 2 things in the next episode. 1, The Fang the fortress monastery of the Wolves is probably the strongest structure outside the Emperor's palace. And 2. Space Wolves dont like being called space wolves
I would love to see Leman come back as an Odin-like wise old warrior, telling tales of victory against the daemon in the Warp
Also (and this is my head canon based on an interaction Russ had with Corvus Corax after Horus nearly destroyed Russ) that Russ and Corax met up in the Warp and with the Raven Lord's help, Russ accepted his Warp abilities and they hunted Lorgar down and destroyed him. So if he ever came back, he could come back with Corvus and we get two loyalist primarchs for the price of one
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Everyone else better get a massive W too if that happens because that's way too much cookie for the Imperium
the best theory I have heard so far about the primarchs was that they all have the souls of minor warp gods
it explains
-why they are so unstable/radically different
-why clones of primarchs dont work, because they do not have the warp god souls
-the emperor took the knowledge of how to coax these warp god souls into primarch bodies by the chaos gods
Thor did indeed do these, despite being from the Frozen North myself I'm not entirely sure I remember the whole thing but I seem to recall him and Loki teaming up in that story, to take on a raid boss level threat called Utgårds-Loke. So this guy has the same name as Loki, but they are not related in any way.
I feel like Russ' epiphany about not blindly killing whoever he's told was a major contributing factor to the Space Wolves' decisions leading to the Months of Shame.
Weird how the Wolves are all about Norse mythology, and at the same time Valhalla is just a planet. Funnier is the fact that it's in the Ciaphas Cain books - the emperor's silliest clown fighting his funniest battles.
As someone said "the lion is a cornered beast trapped in a knights armor, and leman is a knight trapped in the body of the beast"
This is timely, just when I was about to start writing a Space Wolves fic lol. Thanks guys!
Rowboat: were gonna go with the codex astartes
Leman: YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD
I now see Leman as a disney princess for wolfs and nobody can tell me otherwise.
yep
*Disney buys GW*
no, he's right.
The three Fates are from greek mythos while the 3 Norns are from norse mythos though they are much the same.
I think a popular theory is that the Tree of Life is actually that Eldar goddess held prisoner by Nurgle.
Finally, time for the space wolves!
48:30 so on this point it should be noted that this isn’t the first time leman and the space wolves have been told to kill a legion. (Allegedly) You don’t get the title of “Emperors Executioner” for no reason.
Here’s an except from Alpharius head of the hydra.
“‘I doubt that.’ He took a gigantic swig from what was effectively a small barrel in his hand, which reeked of the chemical swill Fenrisians call mjød. ‘But if you insist - we are all an aspect of the Allfather, or have a manner in which we serve. He has His castellan, His herald, His siege-master, His governor, His…’ Here Russ paused and cast a glance over his shoulder at where Magnus stood, some distance away. ‘Sorcerer,’ the Wolf King finished, in tones of distinct displeasure.
I said nothing. Russ had not listed himself in his speech. There was little doubt what his role was, at least to anyone who had seen the Wolves fight. Russ has a fury in battle that is a near match for Angron’s, but he possesses a tighter focus. The Wolf King is our father’s executioner. I suspect at least one of my departed brothers could have attested to that fact, although I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that is the case. Call it a feeling, if you will.
‘So I’ll ask you one more time,’ Russ said, fixing me with a stare that would have reduced a mortal to a quivering wreck. ‘What are you supposed to be?’
I smiled at him again. ‘I’m the one that keeps secrets.’
For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh.
‘Hah! Well, in that case, I’m surprised there’s only one of you.’ “
So if Alpharius is correct Lemans context is that the most beloved brother and war master has just relayed an order from the emperor himself. Magnus the red, the brother he KNOWS is delving far to deep into the secrets of the warp and he believes is very dangerous, has finally pushed to far and the emperor has called upon his executioners once again to remove a legion who has gone to far.
Wait, did Bricky not read Russ’s Primarch book? Leman Russ - The Great Wolf?
He does refer to a few moments from it, but yeah he mixed the two together and made it a tad misleading for the average viewer (I know they’re all about entertainment over accuracy, but the point stands).
18:20 If he was pelted up at the time, it would explain why a dozen of them had died before one of them went, "wait a minute... that's not a wolf cub." Pretty sure he wasn't walking "upright" at them either considering his current teacher wasn't an expert on bi-pedal motion. The more I think about it, that's some Wendigo crap right there for the locals.
"It was fast. Too fast. As it killed my friends I saw things poking out of the obvious runt of the pack... His snout was too short, and misshapen, ... Elbows and fingers. Wolves don't have those....."
DK: Horus is a filthy traitor.
Me: Was. Was a filthy traitor.
The entire Death Company: IS!! YOUR LIES WON'T DECEIVE US, HORUS!!!
Russ has a lot of detractors because of what happened at prospero, but there is something every one either forgets or just glosses over. He wasn't alone, he had Constantine Valdor and a whole troop of Custodies onboard. Valdor was the one to remind Russ that Horus Spoke for the Emperor as Warmaster! If Valdor hadn't done that Russ would have been more focused on capturing Magnus. If Magnus had come out and surrendered Russ would have brought him back to the Emperor. That he didn't and left it up to Arimahn, who fired the first shot if you remember, the situation was unsalvageable.
I'm not saying Russ is innocent or that he's utterly blameless, but at every stage he made an effort, unsuccessfully, to stop it. When there was no other options he went for the throat.
Great show!
I think Fenrisian Wolves are theorised to be humans succumbing to the Wulfen genetic disease, while Thunderwolves are Space Marines suffering the same fate.
The thunderwolves are older than space marines existance on that planet, so second one doesn’t work. But yeah, there are two theories, either mutation of dogs brought to the planet by the original colonists, or members of the original colonists themselves, as the planet is connected heavily to the warp. Has nothing to do with Wulfen though, as that is a genetic defect of the space marines, not just a genetic disease.
Has nothing to do with Wulfen just bunch of idiots wanting to make it seem like it so they can blandly hate furries or whatever
As the famous saying goes "There are no wolves on Fenris"
One thing that I hear people don't like so much about Space Wolves lore is this idea of the "Wolf Time", I admit it sounds a bit silly out of its context, but in its original context, in the closing lines of an old norse poem describing everyone going mad and killing each other at the end of the world, it goes quite hard. "Axe-time, sword-time, brother shall not spare brother. Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls."
I think the Dauntless Few was in fact a bunch of legions alongside which Guilliman believed could win any war/battle if he was paired up with them. At that point in time Chaos wasn't yet a factor.
You got it exactly right
46:50 if anyone is interested there is a 3 hour video on just the burning the prospero from oculus imperia. it's awesome
Need ideas for nightmare for Bricky posters?
Have you considered Necron Flayed One wearing a catgirl for skin?
Yes! Yesssss!
Im laughing my skin off
56:46 So, those four challenges are taken from the tale of Utgard-Loki. Basically, Thor and Loki are traveling and come across a huge Jotun, who, after some shenanigans, invites them into his home. While there, he challenges them to a series of contests. Loki does an eating contest, Thor has to drain a drinking horn, then wrestle an old woman and, finally, pick up a cat. After he nearly, but not quite, completes each challenge, Utgard-Loki stops him and explains what has been going on. Loki's opponent in the eating context was Fire itself, and thus could not be beaten. The horn Thor drank from was connected to the seas of Midgard, and Thor drank so much it actually lowered the sea level, the old woman was Old Age itself, and cat was Jormungandr, the World Serpent. Utgard-Loki was utterly terrified that Thor managed to do as well as he did and very politely asks him to leave.
Finally the Space Wolves and the guys who properly punished magnus when he definitely did something wrong!
"And Leman, never one to be sober" Is probably the best description for the man I've ever heard.
We are the wolf that stalks the stars in the sky and swallows the star-fire,
We hide amongst the night when light is gone,
The Light is within us.
We run the ruins of fire in the darkness,
Foes burn in our passing.
For Russ!
For the Allfather!
The thing is Leman was an inch from killing Horus. Only hesitating when the true Horus from before the corruption returned the blink of an eye, and the chaos gods took over and empowered Horus more and Horus struck Leman. Wounding him severely, if any of the other legions accompanied him, the Heresy would have ended long before the Siege of Terra.
Guys its happening!
Fun Fact: Freki & Geri's names are indeed from Norse mythology; they are the names of Allfather Odin's pet wolves (most folk know about Odin's ravens, but not many know he also had a pair of wolves). Ironically, Odin is prophesied to be killed & eaten by the giant monster wolf Fenrir/Fenris during Ragnarok.
Additionally, the three trials of the Erlking (German for "Elf King", BTW) that Leman Russ failed at were indeed based on a trio of challenges that Thor failed at while visiting the castle of the Jötunn King Utgard Loki (not to be confused with the trickster god Loki Laufeyson, who also accompanied Thor on this trip and failed his own challenge). First, a great drinking horn that Thor failed to empty even with three tries that was actually connected to the ocean (but Thor drank so much that he ended up causing the tides). Second was wrestling an old woman who was actually the embodiment of Old Age (though Thor was only forced to one knee in this fight), and the third challenge was to lift a cat off the ground which was actually Jormungandr the World Serpent (though Thor managed to get one foot of the cat off the ground, which nearly destabilized the world). So yeah, Thor is actually scarily strong and was immediately banned from ever returning to Utgard.
Also, the proper name for the Fates of Norse mythology are the Norns. They don't really do a weaving thing, that's strictly a thing of the Greek Fates.
In Norse the are called the Norns the fates are the Greek ones also space wolves is what the imperium calls them as fenrisian is too hard to grasp same with all the wolf unit names, the call themselves Vlka Fenryka which is a cultural and poetic reference as in the sagas the closet you can get as a translation is We are the Wolves that stark the stars or more common but less poetic Wolves of Fenris. The codex is written from the imperial side but if you read the novels they use the real word more like Aett instead of the the fang or jarl instead of wolf lord. The wolves is interesting because they are so misunderstood just like the Norse mythology and the Norse people of the Viking age. Russ will hopefully come back in a Odin impersonation
I'm hoping if Leman comes back, he's got one eye and psychic shenanigans.
Gimme his Odin arc, dammit.
I think Viking Werewolf Space Marines are cool actually
I do wish they'd lean harder into the viking theming with a bit of a wolf flourish, but I suppose that ship has... not so much sailed but rather capsized and sunk before ever leaving the fjord.
One small detail I think you guys would like is when Leman sent out the "Watchpacks" to all the primarchs. They were space wolf squads sent to each primarch to act as body guards and also spies for malcador. If they got to them alive then malcador knew the primarch they were sent to was loyalist if not then, well you get the idea.
One of these watch packs actually fought both kurz on ultramar and honour duels the Lion. Both go how you would expect, but to have the balls to even try would make Leman proud.
Leman did not walk away from his fight with the Lion. Lion punched him and knocked him out while he was laughing I believe. The Lion stabbing him came waaaay later so you kinda combined two different events into one somehow.
I also remember that.
I really like that the space wolves refer to the emperor as the all father because even without the Viking theme the fucker was literally the father of ALL the Primarks.
There are three figures in both Greek and Norse mythology that do similar things, they are called the Fates in Ancient Greek mythology and they are called the Norn sisters in Nordic mythology, where also the Tyranid Norn Queens get their name. The Fates are called Clothos, Lachesis and Atropos, and the Norns are called Urd, Verdandi and Skuld.
Not sure whom ripped the other off because at this point it's all ancient history.
The Norns and the fates are incredibly similar because Greek and Norse are both indo European cultures Zeus and Odin are both versions of the proto indo European “dyeus pater” which means sky father
My favorite fight between the Lion and Leman was when they got into a fist fight over a miscommunication. In the middle of the fight Leman stops because he realizes how stupid it is and busts out laughing. The Lion thinks Leman is mocking him and knocks him out cold, then storms off. This sparked a fierce rivalry between the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves, and every so often they get together to have this big knock-down, drag-out brawl in memory of their two primarchs getting in a fist fight.