Most excellent job with all the videos, Mark!! I have learned a lot from you. The way you present information is mind-blowing, and I can see the extra effort put into content editing. You sound no less than a professional radio host and voiceover artist! Much Gratitude to you and WLL.
Hi SK, Thanks for the kind comments! We work hard to provide the best information. If you like the videos, be sure and check out our wiki at: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Main_Page In this Wiki you will find machine descriptions, basic usage instructions, troubleshooting tips, machine manuals and diagrams, machine specifications, and coffee terminology and tips.
After purchasing my Synchronika and crossing my fingers that my old Breville grinder would do the trick - it didn't, just wouldn't grind fine enough even on the lowest setting, I was trying to decide which grinder to purchase when I found your videos. I was thinking about the Ceado S37J but didn't like the way it adjusted so ended up with this grinder and $600 in my pocket (AUD). So far so good and has made all of the difference in the performance of my espresso machine.
Hi Meredith, Thanks for the comment and congrats on your beautiful Synchronika - one of my favorite machines! The S-Automatik is a real step up in build and grind quality from the Breville - guessing that was an SGP? Anyway, This is the grinder ECM was using next to their Synchronika at their production facility in Milan when I visited a few years ago. Marc
Hi Marc, thanks again for yet another great review. I’m leaning towards this product but i’m concerned by the cleaning of the burrs and subsequent reassembly and calibration. Is there any video covering this? Thanks
Hi SR, You are welcome for the video and thanks for the question. Both are excellent 64mm burr grinders and are capable of similar results. It may come down to aesthetics if that's important to you. The E6P is a bit more "beasty". In my use of both I believe the grind from the E6P is a little fluffier and virtually clump free. The S-Automatic is more likely to produce some minor clumps.
Hello, thanks for a great review. I'm in the market for the ECM s-automatik 64 and a ECM Synchronika but i have heard that there are issues with clogging in this grinder. Coffe get stuck in the grinder and you have to clean it out often. Have you had any experience with this issue?
Hi ON, We have not had problems with clogging of this grinder. If someone is having that problem it may be due to using rather oily beans - those can cause issues with just about any grinder.
1)Are the adjustment collars on the S-Auto (black composite?) and Titan (stainless steel) interchangeable? Bothers me more than the seam. 2) Is there any industry standard for grind size to allow comparison of noise level and speed of an 18g. shot. 3) How much of a turn to go from espresso to drip grind? I could keep my Breville Pro for drip, or try the C-manual to do both with quicker change-over, sacrificing fine adjustment and grind speed? 4) Your thoughts on the single dose modifications by Jewel Kobayashi? Too many coffees to try, and not really fair without a near zero retention grind option.
Hi Scott, Thanks for the questions... 1. The adjustment collars appear to be interchangeable but it's not something I've tried. 2. There is no industry standard for grind size. When I compare grinders for speed I dial each in to produce a 60ml double from same weight of coffee on the same espresso machine with the same timing. Grinders with larger burrs and higher power motors grind faster. 3. Takes a lot of turns to go from espresso to drip grind! Most all espresso oriented grinders are a pain to use for multiple brew methods. There's all the turning and the loss of your setting for espresso. Also have to have the grinder running or grind all the beans out when adjusting back to espresso size. 4. Interesting technique with the blower. Honestly seems to be a bit of a pain but may be reasonable for some. When I'm real uptight about freshness with a grinder that retains coffee I grind off a few grams. Or, use a grinder with less than .5 gram retention.
Hi Marc, thanks for all the reviews. I like this grinder, but I am not sure to buy it. I am looking for a silent grinder. Most of will wake my neighbors. So which one you would recommend? Is there a test? Looks like most of the test are not interested in the noise. Thanks
Hi Dirk, Yopu are welcome and thanks for the comment. Well, all grinders make some noise! Some of course a whole latte more than others. The ECM is slightly quieter than others in its class. If you want something very smooth and quiet the Ceado E37S is about as low noise as they come: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder You can hear it in action here: ua-cam.com/video/UGF79D6lebU/v-deo.htmlm13s
@Whole Latte Love Wow, thank you for a speedy answer! I Think it stands between the ECM and the Ceado, however there is a fairly big difference in price. Here in Sweden the ECM is 726 dollars (7000 SEK) and the Ceado is 865 dollars (8300 SEK). What would you choose given the prices, is the Ceado 139 dollars better? I looked at the Baratza Sette 270Wi and it seems like a dream to grind in weight, however i really want a grinder i never have to change or upgrade. Coffe grinder is truly a jungle, thank you for helping me!! Erik in Sweden
Hi. I purchased the 64 following your review. It arrived the other day and I am disappointed to find the grind contains clumps, something my significantly cheaper Gaggia grinder has never done. They do disappear in tamping but just a bit shocked at this price point. Can you give any tips or advice on why I am getting this. I am still dialling in my beans, having just purchased this, along with the ECM Technika. Love the channel you are doing a great job !
Hi Matt, Thanks for the comment and question. Your performance will likely improve as the grinder seasons with a coating of coffee oils which help keep things moving through the grinder. FYI grinding speed in grams per second will increase a bit with lubrication of the coffee oils. Also know some coffee types are more prone to clumping than others. If you were too fine at some point you may have some blockage of the screen on the output of the grinding chamber. If you remove the chute you can use a brush or similar to clear any blockage. Marc
Howdy Marc and Todd!! Excellent reviews, really appreciate all the technical detail. I was wondering if you could do review on the ECM S-Manuale 64, trying to decide on that and the Ceado E5P. Thanks guys!
Hi Chris, Thank you for the comment - it's appreciated! The Manual 64 is essentially the same grinder as the S-Automatik 64. Only difference is it's manual so no timed dosing. Some thoughts that may help with your decision... We really like the ECM and Ceado grinders. Both are 64mm and produce a comparable grind quality. IMO the Ceado produces a slightly fluffier grind. One limitation with the Ceado is a little difficulty if using a bottomless portafilter. The grind start mechanism is activated by the portafilter spouts so you have to push it with a finger if using bottomless. Not a big deal unless you go bottomless all the time. We do like the worm gear adjustment on the ECM as it's very precise. We find it's a little easier to open up the Ceado and put it back together. The threads of the adjustment collar stay a little cleaner than those of the ECM. Coffee dust/oils in the threads can make putting the grinder back together a little harder. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. Marc
I bought this machine the ECM S-Automatik 64 in the black to complement my ECM Synchronika and it's works fine except it's stuck on manual I been looking all over and can't figure how to correct it.
Hi mm, thanks for your patience I've been offline on vacation. Did you get this figured out? Pressing the portafilter activation button 1x and releasing grinds for time set in t1, pressing 2x and releasing grinds for the t2 time. Pressing with portafilter and holding grinds manually until the PF activated switch is released.
Hi Marc .. I Know ECM S-Auto grinder & Profitec T64 are the identical inside & same company, But if you have to take one home, which one are you grabbing?
It probably depends on if you have an ECM or Profitec machine. I would wait on a reply from Marc, but he probably isn’t interested because he normally replies within one day.
hello, and thanks for all these fantastic videos. I hesitate between ECM Manuale 64, S Automatic 64 and ECM Titan. The quality of the grind seems identical. For me, retention is important because I practice "single dosing". It also seems that the S-A is less bulky than the Titan. But the Titant must have other advantages. Merry Christmas !
Hi E, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question! All the grinders you mention will retain some coffee. Depending on grind size, bean moisture, relative humidity, etc it could be in a range of 1-3 grams.There are grinders that retain less. In appliance grade the Sette 270: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder in machine grade the Ceado E37S is ~.5g retention: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder If you'd like to learn more, here's my video testing grind retention in a number of popular grinders: ua-cam.com/video/_5ZnraVs_7M/v-deo.html
I have extremely low cabinet clearance (16.5"). This looks to be one of the few grinders that would actually fit besides the Baratza line. Would this be a decent upgrade from my Rocky doserless? I'm tired of the clumpy grounds it produces when making espresso.
Hi Charles, The S-A 64 will be a fine upgrade from the Rocky. Versus the Rocky it has: larger 64mm burrs, infinite stepless grind size adjustment, much more powerful motor, timed grinding and more robust build quality. The stepless adjustment and larger burrs will yield a much nicer and more controllable grind. It should really up your espresso game! What type of machine are you pairing it with?
Awesome! the Pro 500 is an excellent HX machine! The S-A 64 pairs well with it. We have an in-depth support wiki for the Pro 500. It's loaded with useful operation and maintenance info, manuals, diagrams and videos. Might want to bookmark for future use: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Profitec_Pro_500
Hi Marc! Ive been brewing on my Gaggia Classic for a few years now but only used pre grind beans. I feel its time to step up my espresso game and get me a grinder. I want a grinder that can match a future update of machine to an E61-machine. I want a grinder with two time settings and manual grind aswell and preferably without doser. Ive been looking at four different grinders, the EurekaMignon Specialita, the ECM S-Automatik 64, the Quamar M80E and the Ceado E6P. What are your thoughts on my alternatives, which grinder would you choose? Is there another grinder you think i should consider? Thanks for all the videos, they are great and i learn alot! Cheers! Erik from Sweden.
Hi Erik, Thanks for your kind comments and question. First off get ready for a much better espresso. The move from pre-ground to fresh ground is huge! Also, think it’s smart that you are considering your future upgrade to E61 machine in your grinder investment. I dislike dosing grinders as well. My thoughts on the grinders on your list - and I have used them all. Quamar: It’s the value choice. It’s solid but not the same build quality as the rest. Technically it’s a stepped grinder. ECM S-A 64: The worm gear setup for grind size adjustment is the most precise of the bunch. Powerful motor. Timing control resembles PID display common on many machines. It’s in kind of an odd spot down so low. No hands free grinding. Eureka: My favorite as far as programming. Super easy/intuitive time adjustment. 55mm burrs are smaller than the others. My least favorite grind size adjustment as the knob is small and a slight turn produces a surprising change in grind size. Ceado E6P: Excellent grinder with 64mm burrs. I like the grind quality from this one. One con is no display of grind time. Any of your choices will do well. Comes down to what’s important to you for ease of use. If I’m changing grind time a lot I’d go with the Mignon. One grinder to consider is the Baratza Sette 270Wi. It’s high-end appliance grade so can’t expect it to go decades like your machine grade choices. Grinding to a preset weight is magical! It’s louder than the others but fast with beautiful fluffy grinds well distributed hands free into PF: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-270wi-conical-burr-grinder Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Wow, thank you for a speedy answer! I Think it stands between the ECM and the Ceado, however there is a fairly big difference in price. Here in Sweden the ECM is 726 dollars (7000 SEK) and the Ceado is 865 dollars (8300 SEK). What would you choose given the prices, is the Ceado 139 dollars better? I looked at the Baratza Sette 270Wi and it seems like a dream to grind in weight, however i really want a grinder i never have to change or upgrade. Coffe grinder is truly a jungle, thank you for helping me!! Erik in Sweden
I have this grider and a Casa V . What number(s) should i set the grinder for espresso? Also what do you use as the mark line to see what number you are at? There is no line to show this.
Hi PM, Thanks for the question. There should be embossed numbers on adjustment collar for reference. Unfortunately I cannot tell you what setting to use for espresso. Your "best" setting depends on a number of variables like coffee used, dose weight of coffee, etc. With that there's no single setting number to use. But, you can find the right setting for your variables by dialing-in. Start with a grind size that when pinched between your fingers you can just barely make out your fingerprints. Pull a shot looking for a timing of 20-30 seconds. If less than 20 seconds set grind a little finer and try again. If greater than 30 seconds adjust grind a little coarser and try again. When adjusting grind size keep all other variables the same. Here's a video that takes your through dialing in grind size: ua-cam.com/video/unHHToGjshI/v-deo.html
Hi guys , love the revue . I have Giotto Rocket and use a Compak K3 push grinder which I find O.K. Am I going to gain a lot by purchasing the ECM . Cheers .
Hi, Don't think you'll see a huge difference. Slightly larger burrs on the ECM and a more powerful motor. Also two timing presets to 1/10 sec on the ECM vs. the somewhat inaccurate timer dial on the K3. Other than that it's about aesthetics. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=compak-k-3-touch&products%5B%5D=ecm-s-automatik-64-burr-grinder
Hi Marc, lovely machine and contemplating a purchase but called your support dept inquiring as to the calibration. I’m a little weary that I may cause damage if not done properly. Real estate in the kitchen is limited therefore want a small grinder that is comparable to the Rocket Appartamento. Sette 270, no calibration however the ECM is, or not, a better quality grinder? Sorry to put you on the spot since you sell both…Yikes!
Hi Barbara, ECM is definitely a higher quality grinder in the build department. And, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I tell it like it is regardless of what we sell! Most important that you be happy with your purchase. Marc
after watching your video again, i have to ask if users lose the grinding size adjustment after cleaning the burs? it looks so, because its adjustment system looks similar to mazzer mini or baratza vario rather than ceado 37s or Eureka Zenith.
Hi Xu, Thanks for the question. Yes, with this style of grinder you do lose the grind setting when you remove the top burr. But, here's a workaround so you don't: Before removing the burr note your grind setting and grind all the beans out. Turn the grinder on and adjust to a finer setting until you hear the burrs barely touching. Note how far you turned the adjustment to get the burrs touching. You can now remove the top burr and clean. When you reassemble, go back to the zero grind setting (burrs just touching with grinder running) and then back off the same amount you had to turn in to get to zero before removing the burr for cleaning. Marc
My right LED is broken what should I do? The left and middle still work correctly. And I never had the dancing lights how is that possible? I do have a gray screen instead of black.
Hi, fix for that is screen replacement. Did you purchase grinder from us? If so, reach out to tech support here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Hi Marc, If this ecm auto 64 grinder is $949 and the Ceado e6p is $885, which one would you buy? I like how the ecm has a stronger motor and is shorter under my cabinets.
what about the coffee retention of ECM s-automatik 64? coffee retention is definitely one factor for coffee lover to consider, for we don't want to wast.
I currently use Sette 270 W, and I find this machine rather poor quality: very noisy, weighing is erratic, and after third repair I decided to replace it with something better. Having the ECM Synchronica, I definitely see the quality of that particular espresso machine, and this fact turned me to consider the ECM grinder. My questions regarding ECM S-Atomatic grinder: Noise produced by grinders comparing to Sette 270 W and other machines. It is relatively cheap and easy to get a noise measuring device, so to obtain the adequate data should not be so difficult having access to all these grinders. The 2nd question: heat generation during milling: This is more difficult to measure, and I do not know whether using an infrared measuring device (they are cheap and easy to get) to get temperature of milled coffee is the right method to measure it. the 3rd question: how much plastic vs metal is used to construct interiors of these mills? Plastics are resonating easier, are less durable and, as is the case with Sette 270, scream cheap.
Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments! I've been very clear in videos on the Sette grinders they are high-end appliance grade and louder than machine grade grinders. In a couple of videos I've done some very unofficial sound level measurements using dB meter app on smartphone and comparison of Sette to other grinders. On average, Sette grinders were 3-6dB louder. +3dB equals double the sound pressure. Unless doing high volume grinding in a commercial setting I do not believe heating of the grinds is an issue of concern. Plastic is quite common in appliance grade grinders and unheard of in machine grade grinders. The ECM grinder is far quieter than the Sette. It's also much slower and has higher grind retention. On the plus side it's built to last and uses a larger flat burr. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc how does motor power and rpm factor in the comparison assuming burr size is the same? Its interesting the Mazzer has the smallest motor yes has the highest rpm. I'm guessing the Mazzer will run the hottest given is power to rpm specs is this true? Even if the Mazzer is running hotter in a domestic setting its unlilkey to really matter. As for the ECM's design I do like it a lot, Mazzer could learn some tricks here and I agree with you in regard the Mazzer collar thread getting contaminated with coffee. They are extremely difficult to clean when it comes time to replace the burrs. As a side note you may want to a video on the burrs and the results they produce as well as wastage between doses.
Hi WR, Thanks for the comment and question. More powerful motors have more torque and typically do not get as warm as a lower power motor doing the same job. Some motors have difficulty starting when adjusting to a finer grind size with beans still between the burrs. Rating of start capacitors play a role in that as well. The exposed thread design of the Mazzer drives me nuts!
I am looking for an electric grinder to use mostly for french press and not for espresso. I want it to be consistent in grind size and to not produce that much dust. What can you recommend?
Hi 5, Thanks for the question. From time to time we have refurbs available. No ECM 64s at the moment. Here's currently available refurb grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/refurbished-coffee-grinders Marc
This coffee grinder is intended exclusively for espresso? Why not to use it in other methods of brewing coffee? It gives a lot of finely ground (dust)?
It can be used for other brewing methods. Thing is grind size for other brewing methods is not nearly as critical as it is for espresso so it might be overkill.
Hi a, Unfortunately with 1-3g of retention between grind chamber and start of discharge chute I cannot recommend for single dosing. If looking for a multipurpose grinder that's designed to switch between hopper fed and single dosing check out the Ceado Life X: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-life-x-coffee-grinder?variant=42728094072886
Hi AE, Good question. The funnel sort of breaks up the grind so no clumping. But, the chute on the SA delivers grinds nice as well. Personally, I prefer a chute.
Thanks for the answer. I have another question: is the timed dose accurate for home use or does it change too much day to day? I’m trying to decide between this grinder and the manual version.
The lack of thread sealing on Mazzer grinders is a feature! As Mazzers have nothing locking the grind setting, they would ‘self adjust’ if they didn’t have sufficient friction. Worm gears and other adjustment range limits are probably a better idea, but there is something to be said for the brutal simplicity of their minimalist design.
Hey Nic, I like KISS design too but it has to work. In my experience when those threads get gummed up grind size adjustment becomes difficult. I guess the feature there is building grip strength! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hah! I mean, I have moved on to more modern designs too, but it was never as simple as adding a couple of o-rings to keep it smooth. You could always correct for a sticky Mazzer with eyeballed changes in dose, but now we are weighing things to a tenth of a gram…
Hi, is the only difference between automatic 64 and manuale 64 these buttons? Does it deliver ground coffee in the middle of portafilter unlike manuale-54? Thanks
Hi Martin, Thanks for the question. They are very close in price. I find the worm gear adjustment on the ECM grinder is more precise. The Fausto grinder's knob adjust makes a much larger change in grind size for an equal turn. I prefer the grind time adjustment of the Fausto over the ECM's which resembles a PID control. Also like I can look down at the time display on the Fausto. I have to bend over a bit when adjusting the ECM. Burrs are similar at 64 and 65mm. Watts are similar (at least in US models at 450w for the ECM and 500w in the Fausto. Grind size adjustment mechanism is different. ECM's is a typical top collar with fine threads adjusting the upper burr up/down. The Fausto (like most Eureka's) has a shaft running up through the bottom of the motor which adjusts burr position. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Felix, Thanks for the question. Both are 64mm burr, 450watt grinders. The Titan has the titanium burrs which for most users are good for a lifetime of grinding. The Titan is larger and users may prefer the grind distribution through its dosing funnel. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc which grinder and espresso machine do you have at your home? I was thinking on this grinder Or the ceado. Espresso maybe the ECM Casa. I’m a two or three cappuccino a day.
Hi Jessie, Thanks for the question. Most recently I've had a Profitec Pro 500 PID machine and Ceado E5P grinder at home. I cycle thru machines and grinders on a regular basis as I have access to them all. If you are doing mostly milk drinks I'd suggest a machine with heat exchange boiler. That will allow you to brew and steam at the same time. The Casa is a fine machine but might better fit someone who is more about espresso and the occasional milk drink - it's single boiler so can't brew and steam at the same time. Hope that helps! Marc
Hey Marc! Question for ya, am i the only one that has worm gear issue? Meaning, i set a grind size then as am grinding i see the wheel turning towards coarse but when i hold onto the worm gear nothing moves, all is good. It does'nt move a whole lot but still.. Ever heard of this happening and what i can do to make it not move? Thanks man ✌
Marty Dee I’ve never seen that happen. The physics of turning the worm gear from any force on gear of adjustment collar are near impossible. Are all screws holding worm gear mounting and shaft tight?
Hi JG, If it's functioning to your liking then cleaning is not required. But, over time coffee oils will accumulate and like any oil can turn rancid with exposure to oxygen. Quantifying the affect of oils going rancid inside the grinder is difficult. May or may not be an issue. Wouldn't hurt to give it a cleaning. Marc
Whole Latte Love Hi Marc, did my job last sunday and it was amazing how clean it still was after two years. Almost no oil in the burrs. Love this brand.
Hi, I just bought the grinder but turned the burr in the beginning just to see how nice it would work. However i'm having problems finding the correct setting of the burr. What would you recommend as a good startingpoint to find the correct setting?
Hi Dennis, For espresso, start with a setting that produces a grind similar in size to granulated sugar. From there you would "dial in" the grind to produce an espresso with proper shot timing of 20-30 seconds. That's over simplified, so check out the link below which describes how to dial in your grind. Be aware that there's is not one perfect grind setting that works for every coffee. In fact grind setting changes all the time based on things like freshness of coffee and weight of coffee dose. ua-cam.com/video/o3oSlZSXHog/v-deo.html
Hi David, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Retention on this grinder is in the range of 2-4g. We do not have an anthracite version at this time :( Marc
Perhaps, but a lot of Mazzer owners love their grinders. One thing to keep in mind: This is very much an espresso focused grinder. Takes a lot of turns of that worm screw to adjust to a grind size for other brewing methods.
Hi LRF, Thanks for the question. Both use 64mm burrs which spin at about the same rpm. Grind quality is comparable. It comes down to aesthetics and whether you prefer a worm gear adjust SA64 or turning collar E37J. Marc
NP, The Ceado is a easier to take apart for cleaning. You can get inside in under 30 seconds and without losing grind size calibration. The way the adjustment is setup no coffee gets in the fine threads of adjustment collar. Cleaning is more involved on the SA64. Have to remove the worm gear mechanism and turn out the collar by hand. When re-assembling threads must be perfectly clean (I've used a needle to sweep out the grooves) or you will likely have some binding when turning the adjustment collar back in. Marc
Hi, Check out this video. You can hear the Atom in action with some unofficial dB measurements and get a bunch of other test results as well: ua-cam.com/video/t4pWp60adws/v-deo.html Marc
Hello, I am thinking of purchasing between ECM Automatik 64 featured here VS the Eureka Specialita. What are your thoughts which is a better machine? Thank you!
Hi Martin, Funny you should ask! I just did a video with some of my favorite grinders of 2019 and the Mignon Specialita is one of them. I like the S-Automatic and it uses a larger burr than the Mignon. Larger burrs generally = better grind quality. But I do like the Mignon Specialita's UI more than the PID style interface on the ECM grinder. I prefer the ECM's worm gear grind size adjust. Specialita is very quiet. It's a tough call and depends on what features are important to you. Here's the video from today with the Specialita and others: ua-cam.com/video/tDobsR5OEkk/v-deo.html
Hi Hans, Not sure I understand the question. The grind adjustment collar does have reference numbers. Are you asking if when the number is at zero is the grinder actually at a zero grind setting with burrs touching? If so, then no. All grinders I'm aware of with collar adjustments use numbers only as a reference.
What grinder are you using now? To some extent it depends on the quality of grind you are looking for. It's on par in that respect with Ceado E6P and Mazzers mentioned in the video. A little better quality and more durability than Baratza Vario. Also be aware this grinder is an espresso specialist. Don't recommend if you change brew methods a lot and want to use the same grinder for all.
I tried putting tiny pebbles in my grinder to test its strength and it completely ruined the grinding disks and motor burned out. Will not be coming back to this grinder.
This grinder sucks. Have to reset the grind every couple of weeks, the chute keeps a load of grind inside so it mixes with your freshly ground coffee. Expensive machine that performs no better than my grandmothers manual grinder.
I have this grinder and it is awesome. I am happy I picked it up.
Most excellent job with all the videos, Mark!! I have learned a lot from you. The way you present information is mind-blowing, and I can see the extra effort put into content editing. You sound no less than a professional radio host and voiceover artist! Much Gratitude to you and WLL.
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i have this grinder and i'm an engineer and love using this grinder ! totally agree that worm gear works beautifully
After purchasing my Synchronika and crossing my fingers that my old Breville grinder would do the trick - it didn't, just wouldn't grind fine enough even on the lowest setting, I was trying to decide which grinder to purchase when I found your videos. I was thinking about the Ceado S37J but didn't like the way it adjusted so ended up with this grinder and $600 in my pocket (AUD). So far so good and has made all of the difference in the performance of my espresso machine.
Hi Meredith, Thanks for the comment and congrats on your beautiful Synchronika - one of my favorite machines! The S-Automatik is a real step up in build and grind quality from the Breville - guessing that was an SGP? Anyway, This is the grinder ECM was using next to their Synchronika at their production facility in Milan when I visited a few years ago.
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Hi Marc, thanks again for yet another great review. I’m leaning towards this product but i’m concerned by the cleaning of the burrs and subsequent reassembly and calibration. Is there any video covering this? Thanks
Thanks for the informative video! I’m TORN between the ECM S-Automatik 64, and the Ceado E6P. Can you please help advise me?
Hi SR, You are welcome for the video and thanks for the question. Both are excellent 64mm burr grinders and are capable of similar results. It may come down to aesthetics if that's important to you. The E6P is a bit more "beasty". In my use of both I believe the grind from the E6P is a little fluffier and virtually clump free. The S-Automatic is more likely to produce some minor clumps.
Hello, thanks for a great review. I'm in the market for the ECM s-automatik 64 and a ECM Synchronika but i have heard that there are issues with clogging in this grinder. Coffe get stuck in the grinder and you have to clean it out often. Have you had any experience with this issue?
Hi ON, We have not had problems with clogging of this grinder. If someone is having that problem it may be due to using rather oily beans - those can cause issues with just about any grinder.
1)Are the adjustment collars on the S-Auto (black composite?) and Titan (stainless steel) interchangeable? Bothers me more than the seam. 2) Is there any industry standard for grind size to allow comparison of noise level and speed of an 18g. shot. 3) How much of a turn to go from espresso to drip grind? I could keep my Breville Pro for drip, or try the C-manual to do both with quicker change-over, sacrificing fine adjustment and grind speed? 4) Your thoughts on the single dose modifications by Jewel Kobayashi? Too many coffees to try, and not really fair without a near zero retention grind option.
Hi Scott, Thanks for the questions... 1. The adjustment collars appear to be interchangeable but it's not something I've tried. 2. There is no industry standard for grind size. When I compare grinders for speed I dial each in to produce a 60ml double from same weight of coffee on the same espresso machine with the same timing. Grinders with larger burrs and higher power motors grind faster. 3. Takes a lot of turns to go from espresso to drip grind! Most all espresso oriented grinders are a pain to use for multiple brew methods. There's all the turning and the loss of your setting for espresso. Also have to have the grinder running or grind all the beans out when adjusting back to espresso size. 4. Interesting technique with the blower. Honestly seems to be a bit of a pain but may be reasonable for some. When I'm real uptight about freshness with a grinder that retains coffee I grind off a few grams. Or, use a grinder with less than .5 gram retention.
Hi Marc, thanks for all the reviews. I like this grinder, but I am not sure to buy it. I am looking for a silent grinder. Most of will wake my neighbors. So which one you would recommend? Is there a test? Looks like most of the test are not interested in the noise. Thanks
Hi Dirk, Yopu are welcome and thanks for the comment. Well, all grinders make some noise! Some of course a whole latte more than others. The ECM is slightly quieter than others in its class. If you want something very smooth and quiet the Ceado E37S is about as low noise as they come: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder
You can hear it in action here: ua-cam.com/video/UGF79D6lebU/v-deo.htmlm13s
Thanks for the advice. But I think I will go with the Eureka Atom.
@Whole Latte Love Wow, thank you for a speedy answer!
I Think it stands between the ECM and the Ceado, however there is a fairly big difference in price. Here in Sweden the ECM is 726 dollars (7000 SEK) and the Ceado is 865 dollars (8300 SEK). What would you choose given the prices, is the Ceado 139 dollars better?
I looked at the Baratza Sette 270Wi and it seems like a dream to grind in weight, however i really want a grinder i never have to change or upgrade.
Coffe grinder is truly a jungle, thank you for helping me!!
Erik in Sweden
Hi Erik, I'd go with the ECM.
Marc
Hi. I purchased the 64 following your review. It arrived the other day and I am disappointed to find the grind contains clumps, something my significantly cheaper Gaggia grinder has never done. They do disappear in tamping but just a bit shocked at this price point. Can you give any tips or advice on why I am getting this. I am still dialling in my beans, having just purchased this, along with the ECM Technika. Love the channel you are doing a great job !
Hi Matt, Thanks for the comment and question. Your performance will likely improve as the grinder seasons with a coating of coffee oils which help keep things moving through the grinder. FYI grinding speed in grams per second will increase a bit with lubrication of the coffee oils. Also know some coffee types are more prone to clumping than others. If you were too fine at some point you may have some blockage of the screen on the output of the grinding chamber. If you remove the chute you can use a brush or similar to clear any blockage.
Marc
Howdy Marc and Todd!! Excellent reviews, really appreciate all the technical detail. I was wondering if you could do review on the ECM S-Manuale 64, trying to decide on that and the Ceado E5P. Thanks guys!
Hi Chris, Thank you for the comment - it's appreciated! The Manual 64 is essentially the same grinder as the S-Automatik 64. Only difference is it's manual so no timed dosing. Some thoughts that may help with your decision...
We really like the ECM and Ceado grinders. Both are 64mm and produce a comparable grind quality. IMO the Ceado produces a slightly fluffier grind. One limitation with the Ceado is a little difficulty if using a bottomless portafilter. The grind start mechanism is activated by the portafilter spouts so you have to push it with a finger if using bottomless. Not a big deal unless you go bottomless all the time. We do like the worm gear adjustment on the ECM as it's very precise. We find it's a little easier to open up the Ceado and put it back together. The threads of the adjustment collar stay a little cleaner than those of the ECM. Coffee dust/oils in the threads can make putting the grinder back together a little harder. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. Marc
I bought this machine the ECM S-Automatik 64 in the black to complement my ECM Synchronika and it's works fine except it's stuck on manual I been looking all over and can't figure how to correct it.
Hi mm, thanks for your patience I've been offline on vacation. Did you get this figured out? Pressing the portafilter activation button 1x and releasing grinds for time set in t1, pressing 2x and releasing grinds for the t2 time. Pressing with portafilter and holding grinds manually until the PF activated switch is released.
Hi Marc .. I Know ECM S-Auto grinder & Profitec T64 are the identical inside & same company, But if you have to take one home, which one are you grabbing?
It probably depends on if you have an ECM or Profitec machine. I would wait on a reply from Marc, but he probably isn’t interested because he normally replies within one day.
hello, and thanks for all these fantastic videos. I hesitate between ECM Manuale 64, S Automatic 64 and ECM Titan. The quality of the grind seems identical. For me, retention is important because I practice "single dosing". It also seems that the S-A is less bulky than the Titan. But the Titant must have other advantages. Merry Christmas !
Hi E, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question! All the grinders you mention will retain some coffee. Depending on grind size, bean moisture, relative humidity, etc it could be in a range of 1-3 grams.There are grinders that retain less. In appliance grade the Sette 270: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-sette-270-conical-burr-grinder in machine grade the Ceado E37S is ~.5g retention: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder
If you'd like to learn more, here's my video testing grind retention in a number of popular grinders: ua-cam.com/video/_5ZnraVs_7M/v-deo.html
I have extremely low cabinet clearance (16.5"). This looks to be one of the few grinders that would actually fit besides the Baratza line. Would this be a decent upgrade from my Rocky doserless? I'm tired of the clumpy grounds it produces when making espresso.
Hi Charles, The S-A 64 will be a fine upgrade from the Rocky. Versus the Rocky it has: larger 64mm burrs, infinite stepless grind size adjustment, much more powerful motor, timed grinding and more robust build quality. The stepless adjustment and larger burrs will yield a much nicer and more controllable grind. It should really up your espresso game! What type of machine are you pairing it with?
I just ordered a Profitec 500 from you guys...should be here tomorrow :-)
Awesome! the Pro 500 is an excellent HX machine! The S-A 64 pairs well with it. We have an in-depth support wiki for the Pro 500. It's loaded with useful operation and maintenance info, manuals, diagrams and videos. Might want to bookmark for future use: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Profitec_Pro_500
Hi Marc!
Ive been brewing on my Gaggia Classic for a few years now but only used pre grind beans. I feel its time to step up my espresso game and
get me a grinder. I want a grinder that can match a future update of machine to an E61-machine. I want a grinder with two time settings and manual grind aswell
and preferably without doser.
Ive been looking at four different grinders, the EurekaMignon Specialita, the ECM S-Automatik 64, the Quamar M80E
and the Ceado E6P.
What are your thoughts on my alternatives, which grinder would you choose? Is there another grinder you think i should consider?
Thanks for all the videos, they are great and i learn alot!
Cheers! Erik from Sweden.
Hi Erik, Thanks for your kind comments and question. First off get ready for a much better espresso. The move from pre-ground to fresh ground is huge! Also, think it’s smart that you are considering your future upgrade to E61 machine in your grinder investment. I dislike dosing grinders as well. My thoughts on the grinders on your list - and I have used them all.
Quamar: It’s the value choice. It’s solid but not the same build quality as the rest. Technically it’s a stepped grinder.
ECM S-A 64: The worm gear setup for grind size adjustment is the most precise of the bunch. Powerful motor. Timing control resembles PID display common on many machines. It’s in kind of an odd spot down so low. No hands free grinding.
Eureka: My favorite as far as programming. Super easy/intuitive time adjustment. 55mm burrs are smaller than the others. My least favorite grind size adjustment as the knob is small and a slight turn produces a surprising change in grind size.
Ceado E6P: Excellent grinder with 64mm burrs. I like the grind quality from this one. One con is no display of grind time.
Any of your choices will do well. Comes down to what’s important to you for ease of use. If I’m changing grind time a lot I’d go with the Mignon.
One grinder to consider is the Baratza Sette 270Wi. It’s high-end appliance grade so can’t expect it to go decades like your machine grade choices. Grinding to a preset weight is magical! It’s louder than the others but fast with beautiful fluffy grinds well distributed hands free into PF: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-270wi-conical-burr-grinder
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Wow, thank you for a speedy answer!
I Think it stands between the ECM and the Ceado, however there is a fairly big difference in price. Here in Sweden the ECM is 726 dollars (7000 SEK) and the Ceado is 865 dollars (8300 SEK). What would you choose given the prices, is the Ceado 139 dollars better?
I looked at the Baratza Sette 270Wi and it seems like a dream to grind in weight, however i really want a grinder i never have to change or upgrade.
Coffe grinder is truly a jungle, thank you for helping me!!
Erik in Sweden
I have this grider and a Casa V . What number(s) should i set the grinder for espresso? Also what do you use as the mark line to see what number you are at? There is no line to show this.
Hi PM, Thanks for the question. There should be embossed numbers on adjustment collar for reference. Unfortunately I cannot tell you what setting to use for espresso. Your "best" setting depends on a number of variables like coffee used, dose weight of coffee, etc. With that there's no single setting number to use. But, you can find the right setting for your variables by dialing-in. Start with a grind size that when pinched between your fingers you can just barely make out your fingerprints. Pull a shot looking for a timing of 20-30 seconds. If less than 20 seconds set grind a little finer and try again. If greater than 30 seconds adjust grind a little coarser and try again. When adjusting grind size keep all other variables the same. Here's a video that takes your through dialing in grind size: ua-cam.com/video/unHHToGjshI/v-deo.html
Hi guys , love the revue . I have Giotto Rocket and use a Compak K3 push grinder which I find O.K. Am I going to gain a lot by purchasing the ECM . Cheers .
Hi, Don't think you'll see a huge difference. Slightly larger burrs on the ECM and a more powerful motor. Also two timing presets to 1/10 sec on the ECM vs. the somewhat inaccurate timer dial on the K3. Other than that it's about aesthetics. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison:
www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=compak-k-3-touch&products%5B%5D=ecm-s-automatik-64-burr-grinder
Hi Marc, lovely machine and contemplating a purchase but called
your support dept inquiring as to the calibration. I’m a little weary
that I may cause damage if not done properly. Real estate in the
kitchen is limited therefore want a small grinder that is comparable
to the Rocket Appartamento. Sette 270, no calibration however
the ECM is, or not, a better quality grinder? Sorry to put you on
the spot since you sell both…Yikes!
Hi Barbara, ECM is definitely a higher quality grinder in the build department. And, you're not putting me on the spot at all. I tell it like it is regardless of what we sell! Most important that you be happy with your purchase. Marc
after watching your video again, i have to ask if users lose the grinding size adjustment after cleaning the burs? it looks so, because its adjustment system looks similar to mazzer mini or baratza vario rather than ceado 37s or Eureka Zenith.
Hi Xu, Thanks for the question. Yes, with this style of grinder you do lose the grind setting when you remove the top burr. But, here's a workaround so you don't:
Before removing the burr note your grind setting and grind all the beans out. Turn the grinder on and adjust to a finer setting until you hear the burrs barely touching. Note how far you turned the adjustment to get the burrs touching. You can now remove the top burr and clean. When you reassemble, go back to the zero grind setting (burrs just touching with grinder running) and then back off the same amount you had to turn in to get to zero before removing the burr for cleaning.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thx, that's very useful advice.
My right LED is broken what should I do? The left and middle still work correctly. And I never had the dancing lights how is that possible? I do have a gray screen instead of black.
Hi, fix for that is screen replacement. Did you purchase grinder from us? If so, reach out to tech support here for assistance: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Hi Marc, If this ecm auto 64 grinder is $949 and the Ceado e6p is $885, which one would you buy? I like how the ecm has a stronger motor and is shorter under my cabinets.
Hi ggc, Both are 64mm burrs with similar grind quality. Personally I find the latest version of the E6P easier to program and clean.
Marc
what about the coffee retention of ECM s-automatik 64? coffee retention is definitely one factor for coffee lover to consider, for we don't want to wast.
Hi XA, Thanks for the question. Depending on the coffee used, grind size, etc the SA64 retains a gram or 2 in most cases.
Marc
I currently use Sette 270 W, and I find this machine rather poor quality: very noisy, weighing is erratic, and after third repair I decided to replace it with something better. Having the ECM Synchronica, I definitely see the quality of that particular espresso machine, and this fact turned me to consider the ECM grinder. My questions regarding ECM S-Atomatic grinder: Noise produced by grinders comparing to Sette 270 W and other machines. It is relatively cheap and easy to get a noise measuring device, so to obtain the adequate data should not be so difficult having access to all these grinders. The 2nd question: heat generation during milling: This is more difficult to measure, and I do not know whether using an infrared measuring device (they are cheap and easy to get) to get temperature of milled coffee is the right method to measure it.
the 3rd question: how much plastic vs metal is used to construct interiors of these mills? Plastics are resonating easier, are less durable and, as is the case with Sette 270, scream cheap.
Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments! I've been very clear in videos on the Sette grinders they are high-end appliance grade and louder than machine grade grinders. In a couple of videos I've done some very unofficial sound level measurements using dB meter app on smartphone and comparison of Sette to other grinders. On average, Sette grinders were 3-6dB louder. +3dB equals double the sound pressure. Unless doing high volume grinding in a commercial setting I do not believe heating of the grinds is an issue of concern. Plastic is quite common in appliance grade grinders and unheard of in machine grade grinders. The ECM grinder is far quieter than the Sette. It's also much slower and has higher grind retention. On the plus side it's built to last and uses a larger flat burr. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc how does motor power and rpm factor in the comparison assuming burr size is the same? Its interesting the Mazzer has the smallest motor yes has the highest rpm. I'm guessing the Mazzer will run the hottest given is power to rpm specs is this true? Even if the Mazzer is running hotter in a domestic setting its unlilkey to really matter.
As for the ECM's design I do like it a lot, Mazzer could learn some tricks here and I agree with you in regard the Mazzer collar thread getting contaminated with coffee. They are extremely difficult to clean when it comes time to replace the burrs. As a side note you may want to a video on the burrs and the results they produce as well as wastage between doses.
Hi WR, Thanks for the comment and question. More powerful motors have more torque and typically do not get as warm as a lower power motor doing the same job. Some motors have difficulty starting when adjusting to a finer grind size with beans still between the burrs. Rating of start capacitors play a role in that as well. The exposed thread design of the Mazzer drives me nuts!
Whole Latte Love thsnks
What is the purpose on the timer, not sure I understand
Hi Tara, Allows one to set a time to produce a consistent dose of ground coffee.
Marc
I am looking for an electric grinder to use mostly for french press and not for espresso. I want it to be consistent in grind size and to not produce that much dust. What can you recommend?
Any chance that a demo model might be on sale ?
Hi 5, Thanks for the question. From time to time we have refurbs available. No ECM 64s at the moment. Here's currently available refurb grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/refurbished-coffee-grinders
Marc
This coffee grinder is intended exclusively for espresso? Why not to use it in other methods of brewing coffee? It gives a lot of finely ground (dust)?
It can be used for other brewing methods. Thing is grind size for other brewing methods is not nearly as critical as it is for espresso so it might be overkill.
Could I use it as a single dose grinder?
Hi a, Unfortunately with 1-3g of retention between grind chamber and start of discharge chute I cannot recommend for single dosing. If looking for a multipurpose grinder that's designed to switch between hopper fed and single dosing check out the Ceado Life X: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-life-x-coffee-grinder?variant=42728094072886
Is there a benefit to ground distribution with the funnel on the ECM Titian or Profitec as compared to the shoot on the S-Automatik?
Hi AE, Good question. The funnel sort of breaks up the grind so no clumping. But, the chute on the SA delivers grinds nice as well. Personally, I prefer a chute.
Thanks for the answer. I have another question: is the timed dose accurate for home use or does it change too much day to day? I’m trying to decide between this grinder and the manual version.
The lack of thread sealing on Mazzer grinders is a feature! As Mazzers have nothing locking the grind setting, they would ‘self adjust’ if they didn’t have sufficient friction. Worm gears and other adjustment range limits are probably a better idea, but there is something to be said for the brutal simplicity of their minimalist design.
Hey Nic, I like KISS design too but it has to work. In my experience when those threads get gummed up grind size adjustment becomes difficult. I guess the feature there is building grip strength!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hah! I mean, I have moved on to more modern designs too, but it was never as simple as adding a couple of o-rings to keep it smooth. You could always correct for a sticky Mazzer with eyeballed changes in dose, but now we are weighing things to a tenth of a gram…
Does the mazzer 64mm burrs fit into this grinder?
Hi, is the only difference between automatic 64 and manuale 64 these buttons? Does it deliver ground coffee in the middle of portafilter unlike manuale-54? Thanks
wow i agree what is up with that seam???
Hi all. How does this grinder compare to the Rocket Fausto? They are priced about the same right? Martin, Norway.
Hi Martin, Thanks for the question. They are very close in price. I find the worm gear adjustment on the ECM grinder is more precise. The Fausto grinder's knob adjust makes a much larger change in grind size for an equal turn. I prefer the grind time adjustment of the Fausto over the ECM's which resembles a PID control. Also like I can look down at the time display on the Fausto. I have to bend over a bit when adjusting the ECM. Burrs are similar at 64 and 65mm. Watts are similar (at least in US models at 450w for the ECM and 500w in the Fausto. Grind size adjustment mechanism is different. ECM's is a typical top collar with fine threads adjusting the upper burr up/down. The Fausto (like most Eureka's) has a shaft running up through the bottom of the motor which adjusts burr position. Hope that helps!
Marc
How does the S-Automatik stack up against the V-Titan?
Hi Felix, Thanks for the question. Both are 64mm burr, 450watt grinders. The Titan has the titanium burrs which for most users are good for a lifetime of grinding. The Titan is larger and users may prefer the grind distribution through its dosing funnel. Hope that helps!
Marc
so I should stop using the nutribullet to grind my coffee?
Yes, Blades chop coffee into random sizes ranging from chunks to dust results in uneven extractions and muddy cups.
Hi Marc which grinder and espresso machine do you have at your home? I was thinking on this grinder Or the ceado. Espresso maybe the ECM Casa. I’m a two or three cappuccino a day.
Hi Jessie, Thanks for the question. Most recently I've had a Profitec Pro 500 PID machine and Ceado E5P grinder at home. I cycle thru machines and grinders on a regular basis as I have access to them all. If you are doing mostly milk drinks I'd suggest a machine with heat exchange boiler. That will allow you to brew and steam at the same time. The Casa is a fine machine but might better fit someone who is more about espresso and the occasional milk drink - it's single boiler so can't brew and steam at the same time. Hope that helps! Marc
This grinder is over $1500 here in Australia :[
Hey Marc! Question for ya, am i the only one that has worm gear issue? Meaning, i set a grind size then as am grinding i see the wheel turning towards coarse but when i hold onto the worm gear nothing moves, all is good. It does'nt move a whole lot but still.. Ever heard of this happening and what i can do to make it not move? Thanks man ✌
Marty Dee I’ve never seen that happen. The physics of turning the worm gear from any force on gear of adjustment collar are near impossible. Are all screws holding worm gear mounting and shaft tight?
Whole Latte Love i guess huh, must be them tiny set screws. Imma check them out tomorrow and let you know, cheers
How much maintenence does this one need? I have had min for almost two years and to be honest haven’t cleaned it yet. 🤭
Hi JG, If it's functioning to your liking then cleaning is not required. But, over time coffee oils will accumulate and like any oil can turn rancid with exposure to oxygen. Quantifying the affect of oils going rancid inside the grinder is difficult. May or may not be an issue. Wouldn't hurt to give it a cleaning.
Marc
Whole Latte Love Hi Marc, did my job last sunday and it was amazing how clean it still was after two years.
Almost no oil in the burrs.
Love this brand.
Hi, would it be difficult if i use a dosing funnel on top of the portafilter? Thx
Hi HLW, Not sure it would fit.
Hi,
I just bought the grinder but turned the burr in the beginning just to see how nice it would work. However i'm having problems finding the correct setting of the burr.
What would you recommend as a good startingpoint to find the correct setting?
Hi Dennis, For espresso, start with a setting that produces a grind similar in size to granulated sugar. From there you would "dial in" the grind to produce an espresso with proper shot timing of 20-30 seconds. That's over simplified, so check out the link below which describes how to dial in your grind. Be aware that there's is not one perfect grind setting that works for every coffee. In fact grind setting changes all the time based on things like freshness of coffee and weight of coffee dose. ua-cam.com/video/o3oSlZSXHog/v-deo.html
Hi Mark, I just love your videos. Can you please tell me what the retention on this grinder is? Do you sell the anthracite version?
Hi David, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Retention on this grinder is in the range of 2-4g. We do not have an anthracite version at this time :(
Marc
Mazzer killer
Perhaps, but a lot of Mazzer owners love their grinders. One thing to keep in mind: This is very much an espresso focused grinder. Takes a lot of turns of that worm screw to adjust to a grind size for other brewing methods.
How does this measure up against a Ceado E37J ?
Hi LRF, Thanks for the question. Both use 64mm burrs which spin at about the same rpm. Grind quality is comparable. It comes down to aesthetics and whether you prefer a worm gear adjust SA64 or turning collar E37J.
Marc
Cool thanx, how about calibration after cleaning? The Ceado is as far as I know very solid in this area..
NP, The Ceado is a easier to take apart for cleaning. You can get inside in under 30 seconds and without losing grind size calibration. The way the adjustment is setup no coffee gets in the fine threads of adjustment collar. Cleaning is more involved on the SA64. Have to remove the worm gear mechanism and turn out the collar by hand. When re-assembling threads must be perfectly clean (I've used a needle to sweep out the grooves) or you will likely have some binding when turning the adjustment collar back in.
Marc
Which of the two would you choose ? :)
E37J
Do you know if the manuele version is louder?
Hi JLTS, Sound level is the same for the Manuale model. Grinders are identical except for the addition of timing controls on the S-Automatic.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! How quiet/loud is the ECM S 64 relative to other grinders?
Did you have a particular grinder i mind to compare to? If this helps It's quieter than Baratza Sette and louder than a Ceado E37S.
@@Wholelattelovepage how about eureka atom which is supposed be one of the most quiet grinders.
Hi, Check out this video. You can hear the Atom in action with some unofficial dB measurements and get a bunch of other test results as well: ua-cam.com/video/t4pWp60adws/v-deo.html
Marc
Hello, I am thinking of purchasing between ECM Automatik 64 featured here VS the Eureka Specialita. What are your thoughts which is a better machine? Thank you!
Hi Martin, Funny you should ask! I just did a video with some of my favorite grinders of 2019 and the Mignon Specialita is one of them. I like the S-Automatic and it uses a larger burr than the Mignon. Larger burrs generally = better grind quality. But I do like the Mignon Specialita's UI more than the PID style interface on the ECM grinder. I prefer the ECM's worm gear grind size adjust. Specialita is very quiet. It's a tough call and depends on what features are important to you. Here's the video from today with the Specialita and others: ua-cam.com/video/tDobsR5OEkk/v-deo.html
Thank you for your reply. Now I am thinking between Ceado 37 and Eureka 75. Any thoughts? Thanks!
Hi Marc. The machine the grinder has numbers. at which point can the 0 read
Hi Hans, Not sure I understand the question. The grind adjustment collar does have reference numbers. Are you asking if when the number is at zero is the grinder actually at a zero grind setting with burrs touching? If so, then no. All grinders I'm aware of with collar adjustments use numbers only as a reference.
Thank you Marc :-) so it is a reference. The adjustment of the mill is a matter of feeling, pity no 0 institution.
My pleasure! Yes numbers are just for reference. As mentioned this is the case with all grinders like this.
I drink 3-4 shots of espresso a day. Is this overkill. It sure is a beauty.
What grinder are you using now? To some extent it depends on the quality of grind you are looking for. It's on par in that respect with Ceado E6P and Mazzers mentioned in the video. A little better quality and more durability than Baratza Vario. Also be aware this grinder is an espresso specialist. Don't recommend if you change brew methods a lot and want to use the same grinder for all.
I tried putting tiny pebbles in my grinder to test its strength and it completely ruined the grinding disks and motor burned out. Will not be coming back to this grinder.
You put rocks in the grinder? Why?
This grinder sucks. Have to reset the grind every couple of weeks, the chute keeps a load of grind inside so it mixes with your freshly ground coffee. Expensive machine that performs no better than my grandmothers manual grinder.