Jeff, you’re taking about Saquon breaking a record. Meaning he’s doing something somebody has done in order to get that record. Josh has LITERALLY done things this season alone NOBODY else has ever done.
@ well I was speaking specifically about Jeff Saturday saying Saquon should win or at least be heavily considered if he breaks the rushing record but what NFL records does Lamar have?
@ ok??? Back to my point, that’s something that’s been done before. What Josh is doing things that haven’t been done before. To be clear, I’m not trying to slight Lamar because he is OBVIOUSLY having an INCREDIBLE season. I was just trying to point out that Jeff Saturday said Saquon should win MVP if he breaks an already existing record…one that’s been broken many times. Why should he be considered MVP more than somebody that’s doing things NEVER before accomplished, leading his team to their 5th consecutive division title, is the QB of said team and is doing it with what just about everybody said is the worst team he’s ever had. That’s what I was trying to get at. Not belittle Lamar in anyway
Those are individual game stats, who cares. So what if he threw for 3 and ran for 3 tds, if he threw for 6 instead of running for the other what difference does it make lol. Saqoun would be breaking a rushing record for an entire season that no one has done for decades.
He's making a few actually. Including another if Bills put up 30+ this weekend, they'll be the only team with 9 games straight with 30+ points in a game.
@Dimezprod Bills got blown out by Henry going for 200 on the ground not Lamar doing a single thing special. Get over yourselves he doesn't have the MVP moments this year that Josh does anyway. Put Henry on the Bills and James Cook on the ravens and the Bills don't lose a single game this year 🤷♂️
Sam Darnold is NOT the MVP but there is a case. He was not the day one starter ,losing out to a rookie, didn't have Jefferson for 7 games and here they are tied with the Lions still under the radar. Not a fan just seeing he has a case. Definitely come back player of the year.
Lamar is always the favorite, he has that quality the media loves. Last year other players had better number, Lamar won. This year is all about the stats. I am happy for Lamar and all the protection he has for that amazing quality media loves.
Bruh stop it lol , you think Lamar can have 18+ interceptions in a season n still be in QB conversations? Josh is the media's favorite QB. Lamar stats are better in almost all the categories n he even beat(wasn't even close) Josh.
Last season it should have been Josh. But because he had a Diggs problem early in the season he threw a few more picks than Mahomes but DOUBLED Lamar’s TDs. Doubled!!!
[2:42] Analysts were predicting that TOMLIN was going to experience his first losing season in his coaching career, because he selected Russell Wilson as his QB1… Steelers are 10-4 with THREE games left… Caleb Williams has a better Quarterback Rating than Bo Nix, but without the BRONCOS Defense NIX has to bail them out… 🤔
Lamar and Saquan have a way better team than Josh does yet he locked up his division 3 games ago while Lamar is fighting for a wild card spot. They are not the same, Josh for MVP.
If the Eagles end up the #1 seed, Saquan has a great argument Lamar would have to win his division, first. And he has won it twice, so there is Lamar fatigue Allen is the odds-on favorite, but I think the argument for Saquan is at least as strong Allen did get destroyed by Lamar, head-to-head, so that hurts his case
Imagine if we did the Draft backwards and gave the Best Teams first pick. Then 3yrs later if they want they can trade cut keep. Imagine the players they cut? How developed they would be. We would reward the talented kids with the best opportunities instead we take the talented kids and burn them up on these loser organizations. And now losing isnt something loser teams can do to try and get better instead of building and coaching a better team
Saquan making a run for the rushing record. Lamar is making a claim for the single season passer rating record with over 40 TDs and less than 5 ints. Aaron Rodgers won two MVPs with numbers like that
@@robertschoelerman7496 Uh actually Allen has never thrown for 40 TDs in his career. I love that we are considering rushing stats now. Do you want to compare their rushing stats?
I don't blame Caleb. The Bears could have drafted Patrick Mahomes and they would have ruined him as well. The Bears will never be good until the McCaskeys completely divest themselves from football operations including the hiring. They can have zero input, influence or say in anything related to the team. Until that happens, no player should want to play here, no coach should want to coach here and no fan should waste money on tickets. SEND THE McCASKEYS A MESSAGE CHICAGO! DON'T GO! Caleb should refuse to play and demand to be traded next year.
@Dimezprod When the organization has a 100% success rate at ruining talented QB's, you can't blame him. Seriously, the Bears could have drafted Patrick Mahomes, and you'd be here saying "It's his fault!". This is an organizational failure pure and simple and there is only one solution and it's not laying the blame at the feet of Caleb.
The problem with Allen getting it is he hasn't been the best QB in the league, Lamar has. And Lamar beat him, easily, head to head. Allen is he doesn't have Derrick Henry behind him. he does have James Cook, who has rushed for 13 TDs and almost 5 yards a carry, and the Bills defense is better than the Ravens defense, so you can say Josh has at least as much help around him as Lamar, and he's in a much easier division, inflating his record.
the Lamar Jackson hate is unreal lmao. Wwithout Lamar the ravens suck and weve seen it before. Also, Lamar won mvp witth andrews out, bateman out, his best rb got injured in week 1. Also Lamar passes the ball 95% of the time when henry isnt even on the field lmao. Also, Lamar is on pace for one of the best qb seasons of all time lmao while most of allens rushing tds come from the goalline which would be considered stat padding lmao. People find anyway to discredit Lamars success and its sad
Don't care about Lamar or Barkley, if Allen puts up 30 points against the Patriots, he will have set an NFL record with 9 games in a row scoring 30 points. If he set's the record, how can he not be MVP?
It's comical how fans react to these videos. Forget the stats. Mahomes, as we all know, has had a mediocre season. He has no tackle help. Since 2018, which QB are you picking for playoff success. That's how QB'S have always been judged by history. Who is not picking Mahomes?
@DimezprodFirst off Josh was without Shakir and Cooper wasn't on the team then. They were still just figuring out how the offense was going to work. New defensive coordinator and first year calling plays without a couple starters on defensive like Milano. With the way our offense is playing now we would win. Never truly seen Lamar be able to play in a shootout
Lamar has another MVP in his backfield keeping passing defenses honest and helping his numbers. Barkley could for 60 yards and the eagles still beat the 3rd ranked AFC team. It's not a conversation who is more valuable and IT IS over at this point. JA17 is the MVP this year. Cry and cope.
Caleb Williams rookie legacy: 2 coach firings Bottom 10 QBR Bottom 10 Yards 1st in overthrows above 20 yards 1st in under-throws under 4 yards Top 10 Sacks Worst team in the division 8th team eliminated from playoff contention "The greatest prospect of all time", we were lied to about for years.
Your stats are cherry picked and very questionable. Over half the league would be last in that division and idk who you are getting these stats from. Also their schedule is one of the hardest in the league. You don’t know ball at all.
@@andrewdill6109 their schedule is only the hardest bc they have a failure at QB. Are you trying to say im incorrect about these rankings? Then clearly you can't read whats posted on ESPN's own stat logs and other sports sites. Lol!
@@jacobmcklowski4428 Who keeps track of yards overthrown and under thrown? Not ESPN and QBR is a terrible stat. Caleb averaged 270 yards against 3 top 10 teams in the NFL. How brain dead do you have to be to not see that he HAS played good this year. He is a rookie with no coaching structure and a terrible line! You are terrible at analyzing anything NFL related, you just see stats and assume. And how have they not played a hard schedule?! They’ve played 8 winning teams when commanders have only played half that.
@@andrewdill6109 we were told for years this fraud is the greatest prospect ever. We were told he's going into the best situation. We were told he's the answer. We were told he's going to the super bowl year 1. Im just criticizing and calling him for what he is based on expectations: a failed, arrogant, unchecked egotistical bust. Time for him to get benched
Why can’t we ever get QBs who actually was great in his career first Dan to know so much about great and he surely wasn’t he made the nfl that’s good but he didn’t do anything with alot of opportunity’s to I see what a rod meant 😂
@@justsaying5633 every stat that says it isn't it the ones that only account for previous season w/l records, not accounting for team changes and the quality of the teams.
@PTCorrupt They lost 3 games and got blown out by the Ra ens and lost to a team, supposedly inferior to them, the Rams. You need to cope, my team has the best record in the NFL 😂😂😂
Lamar has more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, and fewer interceptions. He also has higher y/p and higher y/r averages. Lamar hasn't had a bad game the entire season, allen got blown-out by Lamar, the THE VERY NEXT GAME he completed 9-30 in a loss. I don't care about a 2 win difference (considering the Ravens play a harder schedule) when he has to carry a bad kicker and mid defense. This is your mvp??
@lxb88b He had 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. Buffalo started to win when they ran the ball and stopped him from being reckless. He wasn't even in the top 5 in voting, so he wasn't robbed.
@@lxb88b but he didn't. Allen had more passing yards and TDs. Lamar had a better completion percentage, TD%, QBR and passer rating. Oh and he also didn't lead the league in INTs. Allen had 29 TDs and 18 INTs. Lamar had 24 TDs and 7 INTs. The thing that put Allens numbers over the top were his rushing TDs. And Lamar cleared him in YPR and rushing yards not to mention Hurts runs for 1 yard TDs better than Allen. But yall only give af about "total TDs" when its to uplift Allen the great dual threat weapon and put down the "running QBs" This year however Lamar clears in every stat. Every stat and is going for a single season passer rating record
Call me when Lamar beats thec2 est teams in the NFL the way josh Allen did Lamar ain't even in the conversation and he won't beat the Steelers Lamar got credit for beating a 2 win giants team stop i don't want to hear about teams josh plays Lamar lost to a scrub raiders team and a shitty 1 win browns team at the time stop lieing mvps lose to browns and raiders and MVP QBs have there team as wild card ok if you say so I would take josh 100 out of 100 times and it ain't close
Josh Allen Touchdown Machine is unstoppable
38 to 38 let's b real
Tush push machine
A machine equipped with a turnover feature.
Jeff, you’re taking about Saquon breaking a record. Meaning he’s doing something somebody has done in order to get that record. Josh has LITERALLY done things this season alone NOBODY else has ever done.
Lamar has done things no other QB has done as well
@ well I was speaking specifically about Jeff Saturday saying Saquon should win or at least be heavily considered if he breaks the rushing record but what NFL records does Lamar have?
5 tds 4 incomplete passes 2 different times this year alone
@ ok??? Back to my point, that’s something that’s been done before. What Josh is doing things that haven’t been done before. To be clear, I’m not trying to slight Lamar because he is OBVIOUSLY having an INCREDIBLE season. I was just trying to point out that Jeff Saturday said Saquon should win MVP if he breaks an already existing record…one that’s been broken many times. Why should he be considered MVP more than somebody that’s doing things NEVER before accomplished, leading his team to their 5th consecutive division title, is the QB of said team and is doing it with what just about everybody said is the worst team he’s ever had. That’s what I was trying to get at. Not belittle Lamar in anyway
Those are individual game stats, who cares. So what if he threw for 3 and ran for 3 tds, if he threw for 6 instead of running for the other what difference does it make lol. Saqoun would be breaking a rushing record for an entire season that no one has done for decades.
Josh Allen is MVP and its not even close.
Bears fans shouldn't be too worried about Caleb Williams, Josh Allen struggled a lot his rookie year too
STRAIGHT LIKE THAT
ACTUALLY JOSH ALLEN DID MAKE A RECORD
He's making a few actually. Including another if Bills put up 30+ this weekend, they'll be the only team with 9 games straight with 30+ points in a game.
He has worse stats than Lamar and got blown-out by him. 👍🏾
@Dimezprod Put Lamar on the bills and he wouldn't even be in the MVP convo. Josh carries the Bills, Lamar does not carry the Ravens.
@Dimezprod Bills got blown out by Henry going for 200 on the ground not Lamar doing a single thing special. Get over yourselves he doesn't have the MVP moments this year that Josh does anyway. Put Henry on the Bills and James Cook on the ravens and the Bills don't lose a single game this year 🤷♂️
If Lamar beats Aaron Rodger passer rating record it’s his mvp
Kimberly “ I talked to ______ “
Martin .
Sam Darnold is NOT the MVP but there is a case. He was not the day one starter ,losing out to a rookie, didn't have Jefferson for 7 games and here they are tied with the Lions still under the radar. Not a fan just seeing he has a case. Definitely come back player of the year.
Lamar is always the favorite, he has that quality the media loves. Last year other players had better number, Lamar won. This year is all about the stats. I am happy for Lamar and all the protection he has for that amazing quality media loves.
Bruh stop it lol , you think Lamar can have 18+ interceptions in a season n still be in QB conversations? Josh is the media's favorite QB. Lamar stats are better in almost all the categories n he even beat(wasn't even close) Josh.
Last season it should have been Josh. But because he had a Diggs problem early in the season he threw a few more picks than Mahomes but DOUBLED Lamar’s TDs. Doubled!!!
Yet had 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses.
No it shouldn't have been. Lamar, Dak, and Purdy all had better years.
@@solom465 thanks bro
[2:42] Analysts were predicting that TOMLIN was going to experience his first losing season in his coaching career, because he selected Russell Wilson as his QB1…
Steelers are 10-4 with THREE games left…
Caleb Williams has a better Quarterback Rating than Bo Nix, but without the BRONCOS Defense NIX has to bail them out…
🤔
Lamar and Saquan have a way better team than Josh does yet he locked up his division 3 games ago while Lamar is fighting for a wild card spot. They are not the same, Josh for MVP.
bro what. Allens team is better tthen Lamars by miles lmao
@ either you are delusional or rage baiting.
Lamar played every team in the AFC playoffs B4 the playoffs even starts
@@geraldjones7718 keep making excuses for your MVP
@@PTCorrupt better defense coaching staff and o line lmao. llike wtf
ESPN trash for talking about this kid body language on the bench. DID THEY NOT SEE HIM GET CRUSHED JUST THE PLAY BEFORE. MAN IS OBVIOUSLY IN PAIN SMDH
The same type of people seem to always hate on JA17
Its a charity MVP, people are just trying to give it to him because hes been the number 2 qb for so long they want to acknowledge him.
Josh Allen should be a lock even if he does nothing for rest of the season. He’s been a beast
Josh Allen is the clear choice for MVP this year.
Why does Jeff keep saying Saquon is gonna break the rushing record like its a guarantee?
Josh Allen = MVP without question
Eric Dickerson did it in 16 games
What are we talking about. It wouldn’t be the same unless he averaged more yards per game each game
Hawk is right. To say the rest of the season is irrelevant is ridiculous.
If the Eagles end up the #1 seed, Saquan has a great argument
Lamar would have to win his division, first. And he has won it twice, so there is Lamar fatigue
Allen is the odds-on favorite, but I think the argument for Saquan is at least as strong
Allen did get destroyed by Lamar, head-to-head, so that hurts his case
That Bears team hasn't looked good since Tyson Bagent was starting.
Josh Allen is the best QB. Not even close.
Imagine if we did the Draft backwards and gave the Best Teams first pick. Then 3yrs later if they want they can trade cut keep. Imagine the players they cut? How developed they would be. We would reward the talented kids with the best opportunities instead we take the talented kids and burn them up on these loser organizations. And now losing isnt something loser teams can do to try and get better instead of building and coaching a better team
What a crew today, hilarious, lively. Quite enjoyable.
If u want to make a protype madden quaterback with all the attributes than u get josh allen in real life. Unreal
Saquan making a run for the rushing record. Lamar is making a claim for the single season passer rating record with over 40 TDs and less than 5 ints. Aaron Rodgers won two MVPs with numbers like that
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jA 17 gets 40 plus tds every season for the past 5 seasons most in NFL history with 40 plus tds
Lamar won MVP with numbers half as good as Allen’s. Cam newtons MVP season wasn’t as good as Josh’s last 5 seasons. 🤔 🤷♂️
@@robertschoelerman7496 Uh actually Allen has never thrown for 40 TDs in his career.
I love that we are considering rushing stats now. Do you want to compare their rushing stats?
@@robertschoelerman7496 how many of those are passing? Josh has rushing tds from the one yard line lmao
I don't blame Caleb. The Bears could have drafted Patrick Mahomes and they would have ruined him as well. The Bears will never be good until the McCaskeys completely divest themselves from football operations including the hiring. They can have zero input, influence or say in anything related to the team. Until that happens, no player should want to play here, no coach should want to coach here and no fan should waste money on tickets. SEND THE McCASKEYS A MESSAGE CHICAGO! DON'T GO! Caleb should refuse to play and demand to be traded next year.
I give Caleb a little blame.
@Dimezprod When the organization has a 100% success rate at ruining talented QB's, you can't blame him. Seriously, the Bears could have drafted Patrick Mahomes, and you'd be here saying "It's his fault!". This is an organizational failure pure and simple and there is only one solution and it's not laying the blame at the feet of Caleb.
Saquon has to beat the record in 16 games. 17 games does not count.
The problem with Allen getting it is he hasn't been the best QB in the league, Lamar has. And Lamar beat him, easily, head to head. Allen is he doesn't have Derrick Henry behind him. he does have James Cook, who has rushed for 13 TDs and almost 5 yards a carry, and the Bills defense is better than the Ravens defense, so you can say Josh has at least as much help around him as Lamar, and he's in a much easier division, inflating his record.
😂😂
the Lamar Jackson hate is unreal lmao. Wwithout Lamar the ravens suck and weve seen it before. Also, Lamar won mvp witth andrews out, bateman out, his best rb got injured in week 1. Also Lamar passes the ball 95% of the time when henry isnt even on the field lmao. Also, Lamar is on pace for one of the best qb seasons of all time lmao while most of allens rushing tds come from the goalline which would be considered stat padding lmao. People find anyway to discredit Lamars success and its sad
HE GOT DRILLED THATS WHY HE WAS LAYING DOWN Tua or Richardson would of been flown out by helicopter .
THANK YOU! These people are lazy at their job.
Don't care about Lamar or Barkley, if Allen puts up 30 points against the Patriots, he will have set an NFL record with 9 games in a row scoring 30 points. If he set's the record, how can he not be MVP?
MVP should be Saquon or Lamar
Good players don’t get their coaches and coordinators fired.
saquon has so many good pieces around him to make his job easier. great year. not mvp for me.
Stop saying erroneous things. Josh lead in QBR and is tied with Lamar in total touchdowns, and has a better TD to TO ratio.
qbr isnt a real stat, rushing tds from the goalline is not impressive, and no one looks at fumbles when it comes to qbs lmao
I told ya 1 month ago Josh will win mvp
It's comical how fans react to these videos. Forget the stats. Mahomes, as we all know, has had a mediocre season. He has no tackle help. Since 2018, which QB are you picking for playoff success. That's how QB'S have always been judged by history. Who is not picking Mahomes?
Josh Allen is the MVP. Most valuable player! Without Allen the bills have 2-3 wins
But he got blown out by Baltimore, had a game only completing 9-30, and has worse stats than Lamar. Sheep.
It's gonna come down to the last week. Lamar fans have a point
@DimezprodFirst off Josh was without Shakir and Cooper wasn't on the team then. They were still just figuring out how the offense was going to work. New defensive coordinator and first year calling plays without a couple starters on defensive like Milano. With the way our offense is playing now we would win. Never truly seen Lamar be able to play in a shootout
@@kpetty00 Did you not watch the two Bengals games. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@kpetty00 The Bengals games? 🤨
Orlovsky....should stop yappin he should look at his own stats😂
Lamar has another MVP in his backfield keeping passing defenses honest and helping his numbers. Barkley could for 60 yards and the eagles still beat the 3rd ranked AFC team. It's not a conversation who is more valuable and IT IS over at this point. JA17 is the MVP this year. Cry and cope.
Caleb Williams rookie legacy:
2 coach firings
Bottom 10 QBR
Bottom 10 Yards
1st in overthrows above 20 yards
1st in under-throws under 4 yards
Top 10 Sacks
Worst team in the division
8th team eliminated from playoff contention
"The greatest prospect of all time", we were lied to about for years.
Your stats are cherry picked and very questionable. Over half the league would be last in that division and idk who you are getting these stats from. Also their schedule is one of the hardest in the league. You don’t know ball at all.
@@andrewdill6109 their schedule is only the hardest bc they have a failure at QB. Are you trying to say im incorrect about these rankings? Then clearly you can't read whats posted on ESPN's own stat logs and other sports sites. Lol!
@@andrewdill6109 also, PLEASE tell me Caleb is a good QB despite his failures. Please, im begging you. Give me something to laugh at you for.
@@jacobmcklowski4428 Who keeps track of yards overthrown and under thrown? Not ESPN and QBR is a terrible stat. Caleb averaged 270 yards against 3 top 10 teams in the NFL. How brain dead do you have to be to not see that he HAS played good this year. He is a rookie with no coaching structure and a terrible line! You are terrible at analyzing anything NFL related, you just see stats and assume. And how have they not played a hard schedule?! They’ve played 8 winning teams when commanders have only played half that.
@@andrewdill6109 we were told for years this fraud is the greatest prospect ever. We were told he's going into the best situation. We were told he's the answer. We were told he's going to the super bowl year 1. Im just criticizing and calling him for what he is based on expectations: a failed, arrogant, unchecked egotistical bust. Time for him to get benched
Hawk which Lord are you thinking about for beyonce to be the #1 daughter?
Why can’t we ever get QBs who actually was great in his career first Dan to know so much about great and he surely wasn’t he made the nfl that’s good but he didn’t do anything with alot of opportunity’s to I see what a rod meant 😂
Yall be chasing it did yall see that hit or not
JA is a great QB however, they've had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.
7th most difficult schedule based on statistics pre-season.... they've made it look easy because they're just a dominant team.
@jamesbrown1571 🧢
@@justsaying5633 yet they beat the best AFC AND NFC team. Keep coping
@@justsaying5633 every stat that says it isn't it the ones that only account for previous season w/l records, not accounting for team changes and the quality of the teams.
@PTCorrupt They lost 3 games and got blown out by the Ra ens and lost to a team, supposedly inferior to them, the Rams. You need to cope, my team has the best record in the NFL 😂😂😂
Caleb Williams deserves ALL the blame.
ragebait
@ just facts. You seen that guy play?! 🤣😂
Just give it to him so the bills can stop crying about it. Simple. They have never won anything in their existence. This MVP is their Super Bowl.
Lamar has more pass yards, more rush yards, higher completion percentage, higher passer rating, and fewer interceptions. He also has higher y/p and higher y/r averages.
Lamar hasn't had a bad game the entire season, allen got blown-out by Lamar, the THE VERY NEXT GAME he completed 9-30 in a loss.
I don't care about a 2 win difference (considering the Ravens play a harder schedule) when he has to carry a bad kicker and mid defense.
This is your mvp??
Allen had better overall stats than Lamar last year. So there’s that
You have a good point. It looks like Allen has the hype this year and there is some fatigue with Lamar
@lxb88b He had 25+ turnovers and 6+ losses. Buffalo started to win when they ran the ball and stopped him from being reckless. He wasn't even in the top 5 in voting, so he wasn't robbed.
@@lxb88b but he didn't. Allen had more passing yards and TDs. Lamar had a better completion percentage, TD%, QBR and passer rating. Oh and he also didn't lead the league in INTs. Allen had 29 TDs and 18 INTs. Lamar had 24 TDs and 7 INTs. The thing that put Allens numbers over the top were his rushing TDs. And Lamar cleared him in YPR and rushing yards not to mention Hurts runs for 1 yard TDs better than Allen. But yall only give af about "total TDs" when its to uplift Allen the great dual threat weapon and put down the "running QBs"
This year however Lamar clears in every stat. Every stat and is going for a single season passer rating record
Call me when Lamar beats thec2 est teams in the NFL the way josh Allen did Lamar ain't even in the conversation and he won't beat the Steelers Lamar got credit for beating a 2 win giants team stop i don't want to hear about teams josh plays Lamar lost to a scrub raiders team and a shitty 1 win browns team at the time stop lieing mvps lose to browns and raiders and MVP QBs have there team as wild card ok if you say so I would take josh 100 out of 100 times and it ain't close
Hawk makes it hard to watch this show. He brings nothing to the table
I'll never understand taking anything Dan O has to say about quarterbacks seriously. Man never was a starting caliber QB lol.
And you on your grandmas couch eating Cheetos
The fact that people will make this type of "argument" and not understand the absolute irony of it is HYSTERICAL.
Eric D’s record was 16 games - Barkley is a beast but 17 game season now… Peterson after ACL in 16 games much bigger season