4 Tumors In The Gospel Centered Movement
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- In this episode of the Reformation Red Pill podcast, Joshua Haymes, Pastor Brooks, and special guest, Robert Murphy, discuss the slow death of the Gospel-Centered Movement. They posit that 4 of the primary factors that led to the downfall of the Gospel-Centered movement were Functional Antinomianism, Functional Gnosticism, Cultural Marxism, and Toxic Winsomeness.
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Timestamps
00:00:06 - Introduction to Gospel-Centered Movement Issues
00:03:51 - Special Guest Introduction
00:05:17 - Guest's Background and Journey
00:05:43 - Positive Aspects of the Gospel-Centered Movement
00:12:29 - Identifying Tumors in the Movement
00:15:59 - Functional Antinomianism Explained
00:28:29 - Transition to Functional Gnosticism
00:34:41 - Enjoying Creation and the Material World
00:39:14 - The Kingdom and the Church
00:41:56 - Toxic Winsomeness Discussion
00:48:10 - The Fear of Man and Authority of Scripture
00:50:14 - The Impact of Winsomeness on Church Discipline
00:53:16 - Defining Love and Acceptance
00:54:32 - Cultural Reformation vs. Toxic Winsomeness
My brother-in-law turned me toward this podcast this past weekend as I’ve been on my reformation journey, and it has been fantastic. I appreciate the thoughtful and lively conversation and explanation. Praise God for what He’s doing.
Man, I’m so thankful I found this. I’m an older guy (61) and I got to watch this unfold. It first started with the ostracization of Mark Driscoll of whom Doug Wilson said, “His only sin is being an alpha male.” After Driscoll was demonized and pushed out is when Chandler, Platt, et al. started coming out with the “woke” doctrine. I’m extremely happy that the Father is raising up young men to lead us out of this current insanity.
As far as The Kingdom is concerned, if you’ve never taken a bite of a perfectly cooked ribeye (or whatever food you truly enjoy) then closed your eyes and given thanks, you do not understand the Kingdom.
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Great discussion gentlemen
Thanks so much brother!
If Jesus isn't your king, he isn't your savior. Thank you for this video!
I love what you guys have to say about the way many people would have found Christ himself to be "unloving" based on what he said about those who cause one of the little ones to stumble. Many people today construct for themselves an idol made in the likeness of their own image, mirroring their own sinful sentimentalities and visions of virtue, and call it Jesus.
💯💯💯 I couldn’t agree more.
Yes, functional gnosticism. It was gut-wrenching during Covid!
Wonderful content, I love Doug Wilson and Jeff Durbin and been following them for years.
This channel is a breath of fresh air. Gave me butterflies its so blinking good. Enjoying from the UK 🇬🇧
Praise God! That encourages me so much!
Loved the discussion. Can’t get these episodes out fast enough. This is very needed content, thank you gentlemen for providing it.
It’s given a bigger window into Pastor Brooks also, and is quite evident why you chose his church for your reformation home.
Thank you for the encouragement, brother! It really means a lot!
Thank you. You explained all those points very clearly.
Hey guys, love these podcasts. Thank you very much.
Thank you for the encouragement brother!
Hello everyone
Great conversation!
As I listened to your comments about John Piper and his Christian Hedonism and its inward-self-focus (monastic style focus), I couldn't help but think about his recent comment about loving Christ in "erotic" way or something like that. He made the comment in John MacArthur's Shepherd's Conference just a few weeks ago. Somehow I feel really really really bad even writing the word and associating it with our most glorious victorious Savior KING! It feels dirty even to think it!!!!
Aaagh! JESUS IS MY ONLY TREASURE, but it is such a blessing whenever He leads me to discover another Gospel Centered PODCAST! Hallelujah. Thanks you brothers for your service to our Triune God! - Ronnie from L.A.
Hey Ronnie! Thanks for the comment! What an encouragement. God bless you brother.
Excellent content! I went through the same journey and moved my family across the country to a CREC congregation thus contributing to the COVID bump. My term for the gospel centered gospel is a "truncated" gospel. I loved the quote from the podcast "a legitimate answer to WWJD is that he'd make a whip and overturn tables." That's the gospel preaching that has been truncated off.
Amen brother! That encourages us a ton! How are you liking the church?
@@ReformationRedPill best decision we ever made. Only regret is not making it sooner
Interesting - God loves you just the way you are - but loves you so much He won't leave you there.
Great discussion. Keller's gospel centered approach was a huge influence on me. He was also our premarital counselor at Westminster Philly. I met my wife at the school, and Keller taught there. As I often say, that was before he was Tim Keller. I've always been uncomfortable with his willingness to use the term "social justice," and even read his book on it, which wasn't horrible. But in the last several years it was a real bummer to see him with the NeverTrump evangelicals, and basically embrace leftist politics.
Man. I relate to that so much. He was a huge impact on me as well. The leftward drift in big Eva will have untold impact for generations in the church. I’m thankful that there is a movement that’s going the other direction.
I know! I relate so much to you! Even though you're a young puke, lol. I'm so excited about your generation getting this at such young ages. This is all, big Eva and everything else, part of the Great Awakening that is happening. I make a book long argument about that in the book I'm working on getting published now. God is doing awesome things in our day. Keep up the great work. @@ReformationRedPill
@@mikedvirgilio1960 thank you brother! God bless.
"John Piper trying to keep his big rig truck on the road".... hahaha --- love it. All the "tumors" you identify in your opening are so real. In fact, the more real they are, the more apathetic some men in the church get. What a strange, odd correlation.
I think that goes back to a pessimistic eschatology. If it’s inevitably going to get worse, we may as well throw up our hands.
This is, of course, not true of all people who have a pessimistic eschatology. Mini or culture warriors who delight in obeying Christ. But I think end up just giving up unfortunately.
Thanks for articulating the problems.
Comments on Piper are out of context
I used to be a huge fan of Tullian Tchividjian. Thank God, I did not follow his example. I've been thinking that one weak spot of Protestantism is the lack of practical and functional ascetic and moral theology. Even if we want to obey Christ we don't really know how to. That's why we need to rediscover the wisdom of the Church through centuries about these issues.
I 100% agree with this
Aye, you've hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. It's not a weakness in Protestantism - it's a weakness in modern Western Protestantism.
On principles you are speaking the truth. However is this what TGC represented? I was part of Tim's church and never in any way felt this. The timing is odd. Is this coming after Trump? I feel you tell of speaking the truth but it seems you are uncomfortable one kind of truth!
Im curious, What is your stance on homosexuality and lgbtq issues?
Why are you curious? It is a strange question! Isn't the The Bible clear on sexuality??@@theDrewzy1
Do you ever consider atheism?
lol.
@@ReformationRedPill have a good rest of your day :)
That's not an unreasonable question. Given we live a post-Christian thoroughly secular culture. Secularism is the plausibility structure of the secular West, and for many people God just isn't plausible. There are, however, very few philosophical atheists, i.e., materialists, because a universe of mere matter is also implausible. So most people are practical atheists living as if God is completely irrelevant to their lives. Until, that is, tragedy happens, or other life events that force a reevaluation.
The problem with atheism is there are no good arguments for it. As atheists will tell you, it's hard to prove a negative. This leads some atheists to assert they have no need or responsibility to defend their view of reality. But of course they do, as do all of us. Everyone, every single person on earth, lives by faith. It's a requirement for finite beings like us. The question is who do we trust.
Back in November Ayaan Hirsi Ali "came out" as a Christian. A one-time Muslim she embraced atheism after 9/11. Her conversion was unexpected to say the least. I wrote a post about it in case you care to see what one Christian thinks about "the poverty of atheism":
mikedvirgilio.com/ayaan-hirsi-alis-conversion-the-poverty-of-atheism-and-an-eschatology-of-hope/
God bless. @@tosloki7238
Do you ever consider eternity ?
@@toolegittoquit_001 I have many times, from many different faiths. But there are many different faiths with many different eternities. Which faith/eternity are you wishing to discuss or would like me to consider? Please answer so that I may give it a ponder in case I haven’t yet. I hope this message finds you well and you are having a good day.