coming from the MP line, and having played the 223 for the season, I can confirm they do not have the typical uber soft feel from MP mizuno irons. Fortunate for me I hit the middle of the face regularly, and when I do they are noticeably more firm than what I came from.
Was just reading up on these further. The 223s are constructed like the blades PW-8. Just a little thicker and a tiny bit more offset than the 221 counterparts. Then they introduce the chromoly and flow microslot 7-4, hence the pop in ball speed/distance when you get to the 7 iron and beyond. Definitely for a better player catering to the higher lofts and spin on the short clubs and the extra ball speed and forgiveness in the mid to long irons, all within a compact, player preferred size. Very cool set of irons that Mizuno is offering here. I have the MP-18 blades PW-8 and then. MP-18 SCs 7-4. Love the blades in the short irons. Can't beat the super consistent spin and carry numbers. This set is exactly what I'd look for as I could use extra forgiveness/help/ball speed 6-4. Heck, even my 7 a little bit. Maybe blend the 225s starting at 6 or 5, and you have gradual, increased forgiveness where you need it as you progress through the set. Well done Mizuno! And great review Ian and Matt. That's the key there. Get lofts and lies gapped appropriately. So cool to see.
Nail on the head. Constructed like the blades just a little thicker and a tiny bit more offset than the 221s. Then they introduce the chromoly and flow microslot 7-4, hence the pop in ball speed/distance when you get to the 7 iron and beyond, like Matt saw. Definitely for a better player catering to the higher lofts and spin on the short clubs and the extra ball speed and forgiveness in the mid to long irons, all within a compact, player preferred size. Forgiveness where a better player needs it. I think it's a great set and offering. Exactly what I like. May even blend the 225s in the 6-4 or 5-4 of needing a longer club face for forgiveness and a little more ball speed.
I’d absolutely love to see a head to head to head of the MP18, MP20 and the new Mizuno Pro Series in all its models. See how each model has evolved over the last few years. Keep all lofts at manufacturing standard and just do a straight out comparable. It’d just be such a funky set of reviews to watch.
Companies probably pay these guys to NOT do that and blow the lid off the whole equipment industry lol. If you think iron tech is progressing THAT much every two years I have a bridge to sell you. For sure every now and then a leap is made and tech evolves. But every model isn’t as different as they make it seem. Golf marketing is really 99% bs lol take it from a lifetime hi level player. Find what feels and performs the best for you and stick with it. Don’t worry about keeping up.
This thing with the PW would be perfect for me. I get a lot more out of the pw and 9i than I feel like I do with the longer irons. My gapping has been tough to work out because I often get huge gaps between wedges and lower lofted irons. Honestly, feel like this set was designed for me!! Wish I had the funds to get them 😅
I have the MMC's from 2018 and 2020 and it seems like these launch quite a bit higher. Chris had mentioned in another video that the MMC's were never going to have high launch. Would be curious to put these up head to head. Thanks guys!
This is why I’ve stuck with the MMC 20s. I tend to get a little balloon flight with some other iron/shaft combos. But with these they come out in the window I like.
Excellent observation regarding the step change in tech and how it impacts gapping. So true , and quite common in modern sets. Every body tests 6 or 7 iron - so they are now the place for jump. But exactly as you say here, a 7 iron at 2,000 yards and a wedge at 110 - leaves a bit of a problem somewhere in the set.
100mph clubspeed on a 4 iron sure does help with the Ballspeed. Matties swing is so smooth...looks effortless. Love the 223...but bought the jpx 921 forged, before these came out.
Gentlemen, terrific review. I'm in the process of going with the 223 4-6i and 221 7-Pw on the Oban CT 130x. I'll bend the 4-6i 1 degree weaker to close the gaps. ZU 85 bent to 19*. How does that sound to yall?
Based on the design differences between the 8-PW and the 4-7 it seems like the stock loft package needs some adjusting to get proper gaps. I had the same issues with the Apex Pros (cup face only in the 4-7)
Faster swing speed players is probably a no brainer for some loft adjustments it would appear. Once I get mine in that is the first thing I'm doing is a loft/lie/gapping session for sure. Curious what slower swing speed gaps look like for this set. Likely smaller gaps between the short and mid and might not need any adjusting there.
Appreciate all of the reviews and content! I'm looking to get fit in 2022 and wondering what's the best/safe window to capture the latest iron releases, while also ensuring I have a new set near the beginning of the season (in Toronto). Cheers
Love the video, I like the 223’s versus the 225’s, my question is with a club speed of 75-80mph would you recommend going with a graphite shaft, Recoil 460 esx f3 versus Modus 105??
Great review guys! Would be curious on your thoughts about adjusting the lofts to more standard lofts like maybe a t100 set of lofts. Also, if Rory sabbatini plays these then none of us are too good to play them :)
I removed my mp20 mmc pw for a vokey pw and it filled the gap. Idk why the pw felt weaker than the rest of my sticks and then you had expeteiced it with these. Do they make the 223 in a 2 iron?
Although I can’t be sure until I see them in person but I think the MMCs I’m playing look nicer to me than the 223s. I’m also assuming that any review I see on this line will be positive. After all they are Mizunos.
Would you maybe reduce the loft of the top end of the set a touch vs strengthening the wedge, 8 and 9? Those are all solid irons from the looks of it, slot starting at 7i.
Ian mentioned the 84mph 7i guy loving these......I'm that guy .....lefty too so I don't have access to many clubs.....will the launch of the longer irons OFF THE DECK be as I need? 7i down to wedge I'm fine ......and I can hit 4i 5i n 6i fairly decent off deck but not with the consistency I use to .......thoughts?
Will you be doing a comparison of the Mizuno Pro 223 vs other brands that fit in the same category. Is this club similar to Calloway Apex Pro? Thanks! I love the look of the Taylormade P770 but they go to far. Mizuno has knocked it out of the park for looks. Hope they feel and perform as well.
Thoughts on combo 225 4 and 5, 223 6 and 7 and 221 8-pw. Weaken the 225 lofts a degree. I currently play combo 4- 7 JPX 921 Tour MP 20 8- pw. Would gapping be manageable with minor loft tweaks.
Straight away after the adjustment in the pw you could see it had a bit more hang time. Showed with the decent angle too eh. Still watching and onto 7iron now. 👍🏼👍🏼 but I do like the look of the 225 Ian.
@@clubchampionmedia What Mizuno Irons today would play similair to the Mizuno MP 53's from 2010? Reason I ask is becuase I love my MP53's, they've helped me break 110, 100, and now I'm creeping into breaking the 90's (started golfing last May) and would like to get fit for some Mizuno's that look and feel simlair to my current set of MP 53's. They look like blades but feel very forgiving and helped me improve my ball striking.
Can the x-flex in the nippon pro modus tour 115 fit someone in the range of 88-90 mph 7 iron? I tend to fit into the 115-120 shaft weight category and it looks like a neutral bend profile which suits me well.
@@golfermanjim5622 ping definitely doesn’t make the most appealing or amazing feeling clubs but you cannot bash their performance and the result, I think i210s are ugly as sin but they’re no doubt a world class golf club and “overall” better than the the mizuno from a Performance and results pov
Just went for a fitting and was hoping to get fit into the 223's. Thankfully I hit them surprisingly well. It came down to between the 223, and the jpx921 HM. I hit both of them almost identically. Had a tiny draw with the 223, and a bit more backspin, and just only 5 or 6 yrd shorter distance then I did with the jpx921 HM. I did hit the HM a bit straighter, with only a slightly bigger dispersion then I had with the 223. Both look and feel amazing. After about a 15 minute debate between the two I went with the 223 since that tiny bit of draw I had with those could actually be a bit more playable then a straight shot all of the time. The 5 or 6 yard difference isn't such a big deal since that can be made up easily with a slightly harder swing if needed anyway.
Great reviews as always on the Mizuno Pro line guys! I play MP18-SC and was really looking forward to see what Mizuno was coming out with for their new middle ground / players cavity MP iron. Introducing the Pingzuno i223. 🤨 The concept of a combo set within a set is great but I personally think Mizuno missed the mark on the aesthetics of these.
I dont get it, I love these clubs and want them don't get me wrong. But seems like there'll be a huge gap between pitching wedge and gap wedge with todays stronger lofted clubs in any set...I mean what club do you hit 115??? Is your lob wedge going 105?? Then you just have to mega clock system the rest of your short game???
The consistency of the 7i was simply off the charts. Partly of course it is down to Mr Robot Matt. But a standard deviation of 24 in the spin of the 7i is almost cheating, not that an SD of 108 with the tweaked PW is shabby.
damn tose irons look super nice! gaming the i500's for 2 years now and I never considered to switch but those 223's seem to be just awesome - maybe I'll switch xD xD
I don't think so. My interpretation was they bent the PW so the gapping WOULD be consistent throughout the set. As shown Matt was hitting a 50yrd gap between the PW & 7 prior to them adjusting the PW.
Man… you guys are great but you lose me with the foresight. Back when I purchased my flightscope years back the foresight just didn’t measure up. I know you’ve carved out a nice place for yourselves but I believe you need to be looking more into outdoor fittings on grass and Trackman. Trust me I’ve put in the time with foresight, Trackman and flightscope. Indoors and out. Currently the leader in the clubhouse is Trackman in my professional opinion
I have not played with anyone who hits a 185yd 7 iron. Why would you want a 7 iron to go that far? Gapping? I get what your saying and maybe it because I am north of 55 years old but wow. I hit my 7 iron 165 yd max 8i 154 yd, 9i 142yd PW 127yd I have a consistent 12 to 15 yards between clubs all the way out to 4 iron at 205. Then it’s 7w, 5w Driver. Seems to me the issue is at the top end of the bag not the bottom. I know guys are younger but a 245yd 4 iron why would you need a driver then. The game is getting too long. Just my opinion but it is really turning into a game I don’t know anymore. In my day 125 yds in was where the game was played now it’s opposite.
The 223 is one of the finest irons made. Really soft and a joy to play with.
coming from the MP line, and having played the 223 for the season, I can confirm they do not have the typical uber soft feel from MP mizuno irons. Fortunate for me I hit the middle of the face regularly, and when I do they are noticeably more firm than what I came from.
Only TXG can "deep dive" in a review and start adjusting lofts, RESPECT👍
Fitting session at TXG is a bucket list for me 👍👍👍
Fitting is fine but they do sell you on the most expensive shafts on the market, and the build quality is not great. Just my opinion.
I thought I wanted T100`s, now I think I want these... Golf is hard even at choosing clubs.
T100's are FUGLY! All these new Mizuno's are BEAUTIFUL.
The 225 is the best of both haha looks better anyway
Yeah T100’s are tempting but they are not nearly as good looking as any of these Mizunos or even the TaylorMade P7 series
I have T100s and I can assume you they flat out perform. That being said these have me 👀 😄
@Jacob McCain I didn't like the feel of them much tbh, excellent club though no doubt, performed well. Just didn't suit me
Was just reading up on these further. The 223s are constructed like the blades PW-8. Just a little thicker and a tiny bit more offset than the 221 counterparts. Then they introduce the chromoly and flow microslot 7-4, hence the pop in ball speed/distance when you get to the 7 iron and beyond.
Definitely for a better player catering to the higher lofts and spin on the short clubs and the extra ball speed and forgiveness in the mid to long irons, all within a compact, player preferred size.
Very cool set of irons that Mizuno is offering here. I have the MP-18 blades PW-8 and then. MP-18 SCs 7-4. Love the blades in the short irons. Can't beat the super consistent spin and carry numbers.
This set is exactly what I'd look for as I could use extra forgiveness/help/ball speed 6-4. Heck, even my 7 a little bit. Maybe blend the 225s starting at 6 or 5, and you have gradual, increased forgiveness where you need it as you progress through the set.
Well done Mizuno! And great review Ian and Matt. That's the key there. Get lofts and lies gapped appropriately. So cool to see.
Matt covers the ball so good in some of those swings!
The 8-W are 1025E instead of chromoly and do not have the micro-slot. It's basically a combo set that all looks like a single set.
Nail on the head. Constructed like the blades just a little thicker and a tiny bit more offset than the 221s. Then they introduce the chromoly and flow microslot 7-4, hence the pop in ball speed/distance when you get to the 7 iron and beyond, like Matt saw.
Definitely for a better player catering to the higher lofts and spin on the short clubs and the extra ball speed and forgiveness in the mid to long irons, all within a compact, player preferred size. Forgiveness where a better player needs it.
I think it's a great set and offering. Exactly what I like. May even blend the 225s in the 6-4 or 5-4 of needing a longer club face for forgiveness and a little more ball speed.
I got fitted for these today! Can’t wait to get them in!
I see a combo set in my future. . . Will need to tweak lofts for sure.
I’d absolutely love to see a head to head to head of the MP18, MP20 and the new Mizuno Pro Series in all its models. See how each model has evolved over the last few years.
Keep all lofts at manufacturing standard and just do a straight out comparable.
It’d just be such a funky set of reviews to watch.
I'd bet dollars to donuts there is no difference other than looks, maybe sound and feel due to differences in materials
Companies probably pay these guys to NOT do that and blow the lid off the whole equipment industry lol. If you think iron tech is progressing THAT much every two years I have a bridge to sell you. For sure every now and then a leap is made and tech evolves. But every model isn’t as different as they make it seem.
Golf marketing is really 99% bs lol take it from a lifetime hi level player. Find what feels and performs the best for you and stick with it. Don’t worry about keeping up.
This thing with the PW would be perfect for me. I get a lot more out of the pw and 9i than I feel like I do with the longer irons. My gapping has been tough to work out because I often get huge gaps between wedges and lower lofted irons. Honestly, feel like this set was designed for me!! Wish I had the funds to get them 😅
Maybe no eating out and work a few extra hours to save up for these 😋 ?
Can you trade in your clubs for credit to new clubs?
I wonder how much distance, flight, and spin are shaft related.
Good God Matty! The first 6-7 shots never left the center line :). Great review as always guys.
I have the MMC's from 2018 and 2020 and it seems like these launch quite a bit higher. Chris had mentioned in another video that the MMC's were never going to have high launch. Would be curious to put these up head to head. Thanks guys!
This is why I’ve stuck with the MMC 20s. I tend to get a little balloon flight with some other iron/shaft combos. But with these they come out in the window I like.
Excellent observation regarding the step change in tech and how it impacts gapping. So true , and quite common in modern sets. Every body tests 6 or 7 iron - so they are now the place for jump. But exactly as you say here, a 7 iron at 2,000 yards and a wedge at 110 - leaves a bit of a problem somewhere in the set.
100mph clubspeed on a 4 iron sure does help with the Ballspeed. Matties swing is so smooth...looks effortless. Love the 223...but bought the jpx 921 forged, before these came out.
Reminds me a lot of the Ping i210 but with the beauty of a Mizuno mixed in
How do these compare to the 921 Tours?
Love having the new MP line with the full logo! Now we just need a Vosh special appearance
Sheez Matt’s swing is butter
Clearing that lead side very nicely today Matty boy
Nothing sounds better than when you pure a Mizuno or Miura forge.
Can you compare to jpx 921 tour? Size, forgiveness, thickness etc
Gentlemen, terrific review.
I'm in the process of going with the 223 4-6i and 221 7-Pw on the Oban CT 130x.
I'll bend the 4-6i 1 degree weaker to close the gaps.
ZU 85 bent to 19*.
How does that sound to yall?
So what about the 8 and 9 iron are they built the same way as the pw. Will they fall short from that 7iron?
Based on the design differences between the 8-PW and the 4-7 it seems like the stock loft package needs some adjusting to get proper gaps.
I had the same issues with the Apex Pros (cup face only in the 4-7)
Faster swing speed players is probably a no brainer for some loft adjustments it would appear. Once I get mine in that is the first thing I'm doing is a loft/lie/gapping session for sure. Curious what slower swing speed gaps look like for this set. Likely smaller gaps between the short and mid and might not need any adjusting there.
Appreciate all of the reviews and content! I'm looking to get fit in 2022 and wondering what's the best/safe window to capture the latest iron releases, while also ensuring I have a new set near the beginning of the season (in Toronto). Cheers
Gapping this set would do my head in. Reason i steered clear of the previous mmc’s
Hi Ian, Matiboy! what are your thoughts of strenghtening de PW 2º and leaving the rest of the set standard or just 1º stronger?
I love these irons! I found the same issue with the wedge and bent stronger one degree and worked perfectly
Would love to give these a spin. Why are they not offered in lefty?
Love the video, I like the 223’s versus the 225’s, my question is with a club speed of 75-80mph would you recommend going with a graphite shaft, Recoil 460 esx f3 versus Modus 105??
Great review guys! Would be curious on your thoughts about adjusting the lofts to more standard lofts like maybe a t100 set of lofts. Also, if Rory sabbatini plays these then none of us are too good to play them :)
I removed my mp20 mmc pw for a vokey pw and it filled the gap. Idk why the pw felt weaker than the rest of my sticks and then you had expeteiced it with these. Do they make the 223 in a 2 iron?
Currently playing Srixon 785s which i love. I'm thinking these 223s would be a good replacement
I can't believe that Mizuno release and Ryan's not there to give his unbiased opinion!
He and his wife just had a baby Girl.
@@clubchampionmedia That's fantastic, congratulations to Mom and Dad.
Will you guys get a chance to review the Mizuno Hi-Fli iron?
How do these compare to the JPX-921 Forged?
Although I can’t be sure until I see them in person but I think the MMCs I’m playing look nicer to me than the 223s. I’m also assuming that any review I see on this line will be positive. After all they are Mizunos.
I play the mmcs as well. To me, these look alot better without the enormous tungsten weight in the back.
@@Kdpeters80 I gamed the MP15s and loved the way they looked so that may be why I like the MMCs. Similar looking.
Would you maybe reduce the loft of the top end of the set a touch vs strengthening the wedge, 8 and 9? Those are all solid irons from the looks of it, slot starting at 7i.
Ian mentioned the 84mph 7i guy loving these......I'm that guy .....lefty too so I don't have access to many clubs.....will the launch of the longer irons OFF THE DECK be as I need? 7i down to wedge I'm fine ......and I can hit 4i 5i n 6i fairly decent off deck but not with the consistency I use to .......thoughts?
Could you guys revive this review with an on-course episode please?
Will you be doing a comparison of the Mizuno Pro 223 vs other brands that fit in the same category. Is this club similar to Calloway Apex Pro? Thanks! I love the look of the Taylormade P770 but they go to far. Mizuno has knocked it out of the park for looks. Hope they feel and perform as well.
Thoughts on combo 225 4 and 5, 223 6 and 7 and 221 8-pw. Weaken the 225 lofts a degree. I currently play combo 4- 7 JPX 921 Tour MP 20 8- pw. Would gapping be manageable with minor loft tweaks.
Straight away after the adjustment in the pw you could see it had a bit more hang time. Showed with the decent angle too eh. Still watching and onto 7iron now. 👍🏼👍🏼 but I do like the look of the 225 Ian.
Need to see these compared to the Srixon zx7’s!!
Would it be right to equate these to srixons as follows?
ZX7 = 221
Zx5 = 223
ZX4 = 225
I’d say more like,
Z-Forged = 221
ZX7 = 223
ZX5 = 225
The loft progressions are much closer with these comparable models.
@@clubchampionmedia What Mizuno Irons today would play similair to the Mizuno MP 53's from 2010? Reason I ask is becuase I love my MP53's, they've helped me break 110, 100, and now I'm creeping into breaking the 90's (started golfing last May) and would like to get fit for some Mizuno's that look and feel simlair to my current set of MP 53's. They look like blades but feel very forgiving and helped me improve my ball striking.
I dont know why but I hit these better than the hot metals. And better than any high handicapped irons
Can you do a comparison between the mp25 and the 223 please? Marketing and loft aside I am guessing they are basically the same iron? Thanks
Love my mp-20 hmb, might try the 225, but these look very promising
Still playing the HMB?
Love my MMC's, but damn, I've got the bug for a new set....just in time for Christmas!
Hmm what would combo best with the blade for someone that hits/carry a traditional PW 120 yds and a 7i 160? The 223 or 225?
0:21 "We've done our call with Vaush" When I heard that I thought of Vaush from UA-cam. Am I the only one who heard that?
He hangs out at the country club playing golf with the other socialist revolutionaries.
@@Kaddywompous Let me guess. Do the play golf on coconut island?
Did these guys take a break for the holidays? I haven’t seen any new videos lately
Currently gaming the jpx921 SEL's. Sounds like the 223 could be a more forgiving replacement for the SEL's?
Could you combo the 223 & 225. Would the lofts work?
Pw- 8 is same construction as 221 and the slot is in 7 through 4...
Is this comparable to a TaylorMade P7-MC, or closer to a P770?
How much of a difference in the feel between 223 and 225
How would they compare to the Taylormade P770’s?
Can the x-flex in the nippon pro modus tour 115 fit someone in the range of 88-90 mph 7 iron? I tend to fit into the 115-120 shaft weight category and it looks like a neutral bend profile which suits me well.
Did you go with x or s?
Should be called the mizuno i210
@@golfermanjim5622 yes, that was my inicial thought - looks exactly like the technology the i210 have for years
@@golfermanjim5622 ping definitely doesn’t make the most appealing or amazing feeling clubs but you cannot bash their performance and the result, I think i210s are ugly as sin but they’re no doubt a world class golf club and “overall” better than the the mizuno from a
Performance and results pov
Anyone else hit the like button during the into music every time?
You discuss the lofts but wish you had shown what lofts are in each set.
TXG, are these very similar to the MP-25? Currently gaming those and not sure if these are worth looking into. Thanks
Wish Ian hit the 223 instead of Matty this time cause then we could compare to the 225 and 221 reviews better..... jus sayin apples to apples
I currently have the MP18-SC .. in your opinion how much of an upgrade are these?
Same here. Was thinking p790s but these would keep me in Mizunos
Just went for a fitting and was hoping to get fit into the 223's. Thankfully I hit them surprisingly well. It came down to between the 223, and the jpx921 HM. I hit both of them almost identically. Had a tiny draw with the 223, and a bit more backspin, and just only 5 or 6 yrd shorter distance then I did with the jpx921 HM. I did hit the HM a bit straighter, with only a slightly bigger dispersion then I had with the 223. Both look and feel amazing. After about a 15 minute debate between the two I went with the 223 since that tiny bit of draw I had with those could actually be a bit more playable then a straight shot all of the time. The 5 or 6 yard difference isn't such a big deal since that can be made up easily with a slightly harder swing if needed anyway.
Ian's 7 iron with the 221 was 175ish. with the 225 it was 195ish. I wish he hit these as well, would they slot in around 185ish?
Agreed
So are the lofts the same as the mmcs?
yes
Looks so much like the i210 from ping
Does the club face scuff easily??
Dude is 🌶 peppering the flag
Don’t understand why Mizuno does not make 223 blade-like?
Great reviews as always on the Mizuno Pro line guys! I play MP18-SC and was really looking forward to see what Mizuno was coming out with for their new middle ground / players cavity MP iron. Introducing the Pingzuno i223. 🤨 The concept of a combo set within a set is great but I personally think Mizuno missed the mark on the aesthetics of these.
I dont get it, I love these clubs and want them don't get me wrong.
But seems like there'll be a huge gap between pitching wedge and gap wedge with todays stronger lofted clubs in any set...I mean what club do you hit 115??? Is your lob wedge going 105?? Then you just have to mega clock system the rest of your short game???
Finally
The consistency of the 7i was simply off the charts. Partly of course it is down to Mr Robot Matt. But a standard deviation of 24 in the spin of the 7i is almost cheating, not that an SD of 108 with the tweaked PW is shabby.
damn tose irons look super nice! gaming the i500's for 2 years now and I never considered to switch but those 223's seem to be just awesome - maybe I'll switch xD xD
By bumping the PW to 45* did you have to adjust the rest of the lofts in the lower irons to keep your gapping?
I don't think so. My interpretation was they bent the PW so the gapping WOULD be consistent throughout the set. As shown Matt was hitting a 50yrd gap between the PW & 7 prior to them adjusting the PW.
Too bad Mizuno doesn’t offer more options for the lefty.
Wheww
Man… you guys are great but you lose me with the foresight. Back when I purchased my flightscope years back the foresight just didn’t measure up. I know you’ve carved out a nice place for yourselves but I believe you need to be looking more into outdoor fittings on grass and Trackman. Trust me I’ve put in the time with foresight, Trackman and flightscope. Indoors and out. Currently the leader in the clubhouse is Trackman in my professional opinion
I have not played with anyone who hits a 185yd 7 iron. Why would you want a 7 iron to go that far? Gapping? I get what your saying and maybe it because I am north of 55 years old but wow. I hit my 7 iron 165 yd max 8i 154 yd, 9i 142yd PW 127yd I have a consistent 12 to 15 yards between clubs all the way out to 4 iron at 205. Then it’s 7w, 5w Driver. Seems to me the issue is at the top end of the bag not the bottom. I know guys are younger but a 245yd 4 iron why would you need a driver then. The game is getting too long. Just my opinion but it is really turning into a game I don’t know anymore. In my day 125 yds in was where the game was played now it’s opposite.