Packout VS Systainer - The Best Tool Storage
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As a GC of 24 years, I thought I was obsessed with tools, you make me look normal. I wish I could afford your collection honestly.
There is being a tool junky, and then there is being obsessed with overpriced plastic boxes. Those plastic boxes are a fashion, a bit like shoes are for girls.
@@kiwigrunt330 I agree but I don't wear red pumps either
I can't wait until I'm making so much money doing this that I can justify buying a $400 drill because the case matches my other overpriced tool cases. Props man, you made it!
My buddies love to roast me when I pull up with my systainers looking like a big ass copy machine. Asking if I can send out a fax for them 😂
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I have store them in my office. Blends in well. 😄
LOL
🤣 That's hilarious! They do look like office equipment/ copy machines.
Okay, so I hadn't thought about that until you just said that. This is one of those things that you can't unsee it once it's pointed out. 😂
Ah, I remember when my guy was trashing Festool. Now look at him, with his 3 dust extractors, the $400 dollar cyclone thingy, even got the $200 dollar blue box with an apron and salt shaker.
Welcome to Festool :)
The spend that never ends
So true. So Very true.
You’ve come a long way since I first started watching you. I remember when you were using your Dewalt miter saw without a blade guard on it. Thanks for the share!
I use both Systainers and Packout. Festool stays in the shop for woodworking, and Milwaukee goes in the truck and to the job.
Same here. Festool doesn't survive GC crews on site without hawkeye supervision
I do the same. Even with babying the systainers I have had them break on me. Systainers are a sleek design, just not durable for the job site.
I agree that companies should put kits in modular systems. Such as Milwaukee uses blow molded cases. Why not use Packout with precut inserts.
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The drawers and the front loading packouts are a game changer, not having to unstack made the difference for me
On my 2 drawer packout I've cut the bottom out of the top drawer and fixed the 2 drawers together to make one big drawer. That really is a game changer being able to fit a circular saw (and much more) in a drawer.
Systainer T-locs, and systainer III's (not the old gen I stuff), can be opened and accessed while stacked. I do it all day every day. I will go weeks without unstacking my primary boxes (the two stacks I have all my most used tools in).
You just open the box you want, which locks the lid to the box above it, then you lean the stack backward (I do this against my body, so I don't have to hold it and it makes sure I can't slip and let stuff fall), and then you just bend over and pull all the tools you want out.
I will run all day with my roughly 30-36 inch high stacks (the limiting factor on the stacks is how high they can be while I can still walk them up and down stairs and over uneven terrain without hitting the boxes against the ground). I have never had any need to unstack them.
Also, they are VASTLY lighter than drawers. That is the killer for me. How heavy drawers are. A T-loc I is under 3 pounds. 3 of them stacked on top of each other are under 9. The 3 drawer packout unit is 22.5 pounds. And that's only about 14-15 inches of stack. If you scale that up to a reasonable amount of storage space (say, a 30 inch high stack), you would be looking at 45 pounds EMPTY. 30 inches of T-loc I's Is probably under 20 pounds. And they get lighter as the boxes get bigger. 2 T loc V's stacked on top of each other are about 11.5lbs, and that is over 30 inches.
I was excited to get the notification that a finish carpentry tv video was posted, but then was disappointed that it is just another video of a tool salesman like so many other woodworking channels.
I've been using systainers for about 20 years. They are much tougher than they look and hold lots of items. I love that all generations can be connected together and you can fit them to your dust extractor....it looks ultra professional in a clients home or commercial maintenance setting. Spend a fortune on Bott van racking, and you have the most well-organized van that it is possible to own. All really well thought out, even down to the map on the lid that shows how everything fits back into the case.
My packout is definitely heavier than my tanos but it survives the cold weather and back of my truck better. Tanos gets brittle in our Wisconsin cold. I do agree with many points made here though!
At first I thumbed this down due to the "summer kit" scene. I quickly retracted just based on the fact you are willing to post this, and also to give it a chance. Glad I did. Good content. I have both the Packout and Systainer kits. I do marine work and need a wide variety of tools. I prefer the Milwaukee tools for this because I like to have all the same batteries. Milwaukee's containers also hold up better to the marine environment IMHO. Because they have a gasket... However the Festool and Systainer's and system are by far more efficient. I have not bought any of Festool's cordless tools yet, but seriously considering it... Festool's dust collection is superior to anything. That is huge when you deal with fiberglass dust. Thank you again for posting.
Glad you are joining the club 😁👍 I chose Festool/Tanos almost 30 years ago, just for the same reasons! Here in Germany it was available , but only in 1 -2 shops per city. As a semi professional using the tool sometimes a year later, I still can be sure , all necessary stuff is in the package 🤗👌 Nice to know: way back Festool intended to have the systainers for shipping purposes only! The customers in the early days were supposed to bring it back , but that never happened 😂😉
Wow, Richard! You have really gone whole-hog into the Festool universe!!!! Festool really is all about being a “system”, from the Systainers to the dust extraction. Everything is well thought out and planned to work together. Festool doesn’t always hit a home-run with their tools but they are always a joy to use.
As someone who struggles with organization, Festool and systainers have been life savers!
I think packout makes a lot of sense for trades who often use bigger, heavier tools, need to carry more consumables, etc, especially for those working in unfinished spaces. For installers, trim carpenters, and trades who have to deal with finished or even lived-in spaces, systainer is just so much lighter, more convenient size, and just plain more clean-looking, even if you're not in it for the festool tool system--which is popular with finish carpenters for the reasons you pointed out, and systainer is just a bonus of the purchase.
Tanos is owned by TTS that also owns Festool. so it is in the same family
Nice to see Richard back at full power.
Im in the big leagues now,im rocking the mini sustainer with the 3 hand sanders. Woop woop
The same reason you love it, its the reason i hate it, especially most systainer not being drawers it just sucks to me, I like to make dedicated towers depending in the jobs i have to do.
the issue with systainers is when you try to move towards the L series and you start to have certain issues on how you want to separate things. The moment you start to set them on tables, you feel like they are taking up table space as opposed to floor space with the packouts. Just look at how those festool boxes are towering. A pain in the butt to bring them down. IMO, the most useless is the XXL and it is the most flimsy of them all. Aside from the form factor, tool boxes are just tool boxes at the end of the day and they all got issues. I literally get them when stores are trying to get rid of them and I am starting to regret doing so.
Now you’re making me want to sell my old stuff and get these new Systainers. Love that table saw too!😊
I had a pack out box that wasn’t tied down right flew off my truck while driving fairly fast, when I picked it up it just had a small scratch
I've never used Festool products, but I'm a solid Milwaukee tool and Packout user. Their containers are bulletproof in the van, in the elements and taking to jobsites. Your point on Festool's organization all in one container is a HUGE benefit, so I certainly understand why you like them so much. I try to pack my bags and containers with every related accessory I need, because it does make a big difference in your workflow and efficiency.
Great video but I noticed that your tools and storage are full of sawdust. Have you thought of carrying a small blower to dust them off after a job? I just use the a small Ryobi low pressure inflator, it's amazing for quickly blowing all the sawdust off workpieces during the job and even better at dusting off your gear before you pack it away.
I'm a Systainer user but there are some significant pros and cons.
Pros:
1. Compact
2. Ironically more affordable than some other systems
3. Drawers don't need external locking bars
4. Top and front handles
5. T-Loc mechanism which allows you to open a lid while locked onto the Systainer above
Cons:
1. They don't feel as robust as I'd like
2. My OCD dislikes how the T knob sits sideways on all but the top Systainer in a stack
3. I don't feel confident in the holding power of the T-Loc when lower Systainers are heavy
4. Small parts Systainers which use small pots have a wasted space around the perimeter and the pots don't sit as securely as I'd like
5. Not designed with half-width Systainers in mind
6. Despite being more compact, there's no way to fit external accessories. Something like the way Toughbuilt do it would be great.
I broke a systainer at work. We Have a larger building at my work and I loaded up a Systainer and had milwaukee box on the back of a golf cart with some other tools to go to another area. The systainer hinge like pin on the back sides of the case shot out and the top flopped open when I took off. The tool inside was okay, thankfully. But it wasn't a hard fall and was my fault cause it was just loosely set in the back. But afterwards it showed me that anything can happen whne you least expect it. Love Festool and Milwaukee.
That table saw is crazy 🤪 I want to get my hands on one.
i agree with everything you said but it only aplies to finish work in my opinion. i love my systainers, they are great for kitchen and finish work but they are not strong enough for framing and earlier stages of work. i use the dewalt toughsystem for rougher work and systainers for the finish tools.
I would love to see you give a review on your take of their table saw. I've seen it at the demo days and stuff and am thoroughly impressed, but I'd still watch the video and love your feedback. I'm not so much a trim guy as an all around-er but I do so many little jobs that a small portable table saw would be amazing to have when I need a small cut or two here and there but certain other tools just won't work or give the quality the table saw can
I have just about all the Festool tools, but when it comes to drills their proprietary chucks drive me nuts. Which is why I put my milwaukee drills in the Festool boxes and paint the twist lock red. Now you need to build some racks for those boxes. Not fun when the one you need is on the bottom and you have to pull five off to get to it.
you can order red t locks now too, good idea
The fact that the blue bbq systainer costs $200 is so wild to me. Owning one would feel like a flex.
I have done the opposite.
I went from Systainers to Packout. The systainers are grest for tools with lots of accessories but have a box for every individual tool takes up far too much space in the van and takes too long to load and unload the tools.
& the biggest reason for me is they break so easy . Expensive to replace
I sort of go back a forth, my everyday setup seems to work better on packout. Neither setup is outright better at all though
Why on earth do you have individual boxes for every tool? I agree, that WOULD take up a ton of space, but I don't see any reason to actually do it.
Personally, My systainer collection is modest, but I have multiple tools in every box except my sander, and that's because neither the sander or the box belongs to me . I also picked systainer largely because they are vastly more space efficient than packout (there was a spreadsheet on the festool owner's group forum that I won't link here as I think youtube looks unkindly on external links).
I also don't load and unload the tools. Because the boxes are so light, I just carry entire stacks into the jobsite. And access the tools while the boxes are stacked. (a T-loc I, the smallest T loc, is under 3 pounds. When I show up on the jobsite, I am not carrying one tool. I am carrying, in 1 hand, 60+ lbs of tools.
I really don't get how people think Systainers are supposed to work. Every time I see people who are not me using them, I think "what are you DOING?" Why would you spend all this money for premium tool cases and then not actually fill them up?
But as the other guy says, yes. They are fragile. I will give them that. They ain't free, and they are NOT apprentice proof, at all.
This helped 100% with my decision, was researching this alot, those couple of inches all around it's just dead space, the quality and reinforcement of the plastic is fantastic but they had in mind just this idea to look cool, army style, like we drop our tools by parachute, I like their snap system and they can do anytime a second system similar to systainers that can click into already existing packout and just name differently like Tanos (Festool's partner that manufactures the systainers) did
I think one of the big questions is how do you like to organise your tools? Are you more 20 tools in 20 boxes (systainer maybe better) or 20 tools in 4 boxes (packout 100% better).
And you haven't even found the small sub containers for the drawers on Etsy yet. Welcome to the world of Systainers.
The idea behind systaiers is great. Have everything you need for a function in one place, even if it means you need duplicates of consumables such as drill bits. It saves time. This is something I don't think the other vendors of packout boxes have figured out yet.
Totally agree with everything said here. Id add that the extractors are another plus to the festool system. They integrate so well with the systainers and even the chip separator. You may need to get some sys-drawers for that wall behind you.
He had the Festool chip separator, did you catch it on one of the pans?
@JLLG2 yes I did. He just didn't mention it, so I though I would.😊
Hello so happy after all this years you finally convinced yourself to switch to festool and hard to believe you actually did it better later than never I did it long time ago for exactly same reason and not even one minute regrets
Thank you for your time keep going
Paul
I feel like this is an apples to oranges comparison. However I really enjoyed this video. It made some great points to how bigger and stronger isn’t always better for your specific needs. As a Heavy Equipment Technician I can say that the Systainer system would NOT hold up to my tools and usage but after watching this video I agree, for the work that a Finishing Carpenter does, the Systainer is a better system.
You should compare the festool tools to Milwaukee for durability, speed, etc..🤘🏽
As both a Red tool & Festool owner, I can’t argue with your logic. I’ve gotten to the point where I won’t buy a tool without a hard case. If you ever plan on loading your tools in a truck, van or trailer, hard cases are a key way to protect your investment. It’s too easy to damage or destroy thousands (!) of dollars in professional tools just moving them to & from the job site. Milwaukee proved that they can organize with their track saw packout (except for the diagrams). I love both red & green tools, but seriously, organize your tools in hard cases if you want to continue to sell to people whose living relies on keeping their tools in good shape and making it easy to know what tools are in which case (& no reading required). Professional tools should come with a protective case. Period. Of course I’ll expect to pay extra to get the hard case. Just be as serious about packaging your tools as I am about selecting the tools I use.
I’ve loved your channel for a long time and I’m happy to see you have now finally gone balls deep into Festool 😂
I’m also a Festool tool addict 😂 it’s just like Pringles once you pop you just can’t stop
Keep doing all the great videos
I have a mix of Festool and Milwaukee as well. I have festool for certain tools that are simply better or no competitor has such as the Domino, Track saw, Sanders / Dust Extraction. But for basic tasks such as impacts, drills, oscillating saws, sawzall, skill saw are all Milwaukee. Alot of which have 3rd party inserts for the tools. I have the Milwaukee 4-in-1 Installation driver in a small packout with the insert, and other tools in their dedicated small packout as well which saves space even compared to the systainer.
I use both systems, Systainers for everything tool and woodworking related that goes out to the sites in the work trailer, and then Packout is for all my trade tools and materials, painting, drywall, plumbing, electrical, tile etc. goes in the Packouts so I can roll stacks of each trade into the jobsite when they are needed. I made a Packout stack mobile spray rig just for spraying kitchen cabinets with the work top attached on top with my Fuji Turbine permanently attached and all guns, funnels, etc., below in drawers for onsite cabinet spraying versus at the shop. They each have their uses and strong points for my company. I went all Festool 10 years ago and haven't regretted it at all!
Hey do you have a video covering you mitre saw station?
I still remember years ago when you tried a festool chop saw and you didn’t like it.
Pack is for rough-in guys, systainer is for finish guys
My favorite part of your setup is you Makita mitersaw and Hepa vac
I feel like is me who’s talking hahahahha u r the best man 👍🏼
Looking forward to that video about the table saw. Curious on how it holds up on hard woods
This is like going to a nephews house and him showing you all his toys😂
I see what you are saying however this is not great for working on the go, the drawers are a game changer for me, plus I can fit more tools in a smaller amount of storage, Festool is awesome for shop but not my trailer and site.
The same parent company owns festool and tanos. Also owns sawstop.
It's not Festool it's Festool 😂
What’s the durability on them ? They seem cheap 😢 look like filing storage cabinets
I feel like Pack Out is really geared towards the rough trades (who work during the rough in stage of new house construction). Framers, electricians, plumbers, etc. Systainers, I've only actually seen on-site being used by finish carpenters.
I use festool and I’m looking into mod box for I could know electrical work from carpenter tools fast. I remember your first Festool miter saw video.😂😂
Conclusion...Festool is paying him more than Milwaukee was
I disagree. If you use this stuff, you would be lying to not see the difference. Festool is better in every way, hands down.
I don't get the impression Richard would sell-out to a company if he didn't believe in it helping HIM on a daily basis. So, no, I do not believe that "money" was an issue here. (Not EVERYBODY can be bought!)
I'm kind of making the same switch. Packouts take up so much room. I still use them more for storage in my shop. But to carry on site, I've been switching to Systainer3. Just lighter and gets the job done. But the pricing is too high.
@@drileydriley2814bruh, he’s wearing a festool apron and a festool branding iron. Cmon.
Side note, I agree festool is better. But his channel is all about promoting this brand lately. You’re insane if you don’t think he’s doing that for money.
@@ClearstoneCarpentryIs it insane to promote a better tool company?
You forgot to say that all systainers lock on to festool vacuums. Really easy way to roll them when you need vacs at jobsites anyway
I am more triggered by the fact you don't have a smaller blower to blow off your tools before you pack them up than anything else you have ever done lol.
haha
I am the same way as him. Gotta keep it clean
Definitely. I love my little hikoki blower that's the size of a drill. I had no idea how useful it would become
Same for a lot of professionnal makers and diy makers …. One you go festool never you comeback loooool
I hired my new guy hes got ocd, my barely used mini blower quickly became his favorite tool lol
I have both. Festool tools just stay in systainers and my Ridged and Milwaukee tools go in packout. I like packout for being able to transport very easily. I need this since like you I don’t leave any power tools at my job sites.
tanos is a great system, i'm on it myself. only complaint is the brittle ABS material...they need to be made out of polymer.
The xxl systainer comes in two heights I think. The low one is what I mean here, I think it’s 237. One layer of base foam, the lid foam and two layers of the hard epd or epm (whatever it is called) but the stiffer one. Inside that I have my 7 most used drills. 4 festool s and 3 makitas. I was doing what your doing for a while but now I really just keep saws in the original systainers. Anyway, the 7 drills wide, no rattles. All handle up. Takes up less space.
Got the last gen csx yet? It's probably my favourite tool, and I have a quite a few festool tools.
And the thing about large tool boxes, like some packout, is that when full they are VERY heavy. I'm currently migrating to all festool for tool/fastener storage.
I have both. For Systainers they even make a larger XXL Boxes I use to carry my Drywall And Paint gear in as well as they can stack on top of my vac, other than that I use packout drawers, Crates and rolling tool boxes for all non Festool or brands that use the tanos system. I think it’s still good to have two different systems, I still love my packout too. Put them in the bed with all my other stuff without worrying if it will break. I have to Put my systainers in the cab because they definitely would break if the Happen to fall over. Tanos definitely needs to upgrade there plastic to whatever Milwaukee is using.
Richard, where did you get the Makita miter fences from? Does that come with crown stops?
Kizen fence system. Richard has a dope custom Makita color.
His shop Makita miter saw with lift off factory fences had me make changes to the KIZEN Miter Fence. Version 2 The t- slot across the back and now V3 with replaceable plastic tips for zero fence clearance when needed
lol, thats how you know youve made it man; festool tape measure and all. Youve earned it.
Now the question is…are you gonna re-paint your window trim lime green? Would love to see the table saw video. Love your channel
is makita makpac not as rigid as festool systainer? or they are same?
I think they are made for two different usage. The Milwaukee pack out appears to be more on sight trades use and sustainer for shop or vehicle use. This is just my opinion, I understand that you can use both either way
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15:25 how well do the drawers stay shut? Packout has the metal safety bar. Also, how do these stack in your van?
Well don’t know how you got the summer systainer early but lucky you. Not for sale til June . Must be nice to beget the freebies from festool
Richard, did you get the cart along with the tablesaw? It's a very integral part of that system as it adds outfeed support when necessary. Great video. 👍🏻 I did notice the cart later in the video. Well done.
Peter Millard from 10 minute workshop bought that table saw when it came out. He said it's good for small and thinner trim, but once you get into larger stuff you can it's not as happy.
Have you had any issues? How's that whistlin diesel shirt?
Milwaukee packout for screws and little bits is superior in my opinion. Bouncing around in the van the individual screws stay put..no spill over. And if I need to I can mix and match individual little trays into one packout. Close it up..carry it up a ladder without having to worry about it spilling.
Are sustainers dust tight? How about water tight?
I could have a packout in a room where alot of dust is being created and the tools inside will be dust free
Love the hkc 55. A little weak but so handy.
True! I noticed the same
The mafell kss 40 and 50 have more power than the hkc. They work pretty much the same. Also come in systainers. Another battery platform but oh well.
I tried going the Packout route and couldn't do it. I like how tough Packout seems, but outside of that it's inefficient for storage. That three drawer Systainer shown in the video swallows a ton of stuff. No joke, I consolidated a two and three drawer Packout into one of those three drawer Systainers. I do like Packout organizers though.
Am thinking long and hard wether to change from my systainer to packout. Honestly i think im going to stay with systainer for one main reason and thats portability. For me having lighter boxes with handles ON THE TOP wins every time going in and out of peoples houses. I will probably get the tote and the draw box then that will serve me pretty well i think for carpentry. The Joinery side is covered by purpose made stuff.
tanos is a TTS Tooltechnic company, just like festool, that was spun out from the original festo
you can almost fit 2 of those drawer systainers in the volume of that packout
The Festool SYS-AZ system saved my shop and workflow.
I'd like a "richard reacts" to his old video where he tries the kapex.
What are the differences between Systainer and MetaBox?
I literally have a dewalf arsenal because of you… not sure how I feel lol but keep doing your thing!
I picture labeled all my metabo metabox's. def was a task but the labels are very valuable
I completely agree, I sold off all my Packout and bought Systainers, they were just too big and bulky in clients homes. I now have the Festool bug
Homie gonna start measuring in CM and MM. 😂
I am a hobbyist and I swapped out all my Milwaukee storage to the Festool storage. I was able to store more small parts into the Festool system. the Festool are about what 50-60 percent more depending on the configuration of the sustainer. so that is possibly a downfall for many people. I get that for sure but the organization provided to me and the way I can stack them make it a good purchase. for instance I load up my festoon dust extractor because the sustainers stack and lock on the dust extractors .. like was stated the Milwaukee are probably much stronger and such but the what they stack becomes a problem when you need to go into a middle one. you have to pull them all apart. the festal allow you to open the lid and they stay locked together . well jump into the green kool aid pool the water is fine.
The tools such as the table saw (Min 12:10) or the vacuum cleaners with their clear, tidy German industrial design are in great contrast to your work, e.g. the mantle for the fireplace. It's funny that craftsmen make wall paneling like in a castle and love to use tools that are designed in the style of Bauhaus.
your comment makes no sense at all.
Yep. Awesome design and execution. Looks great!
Except the first and longest upright looks odd there by itself. Maybe it's just me. Still it's an awesome piece.
I tried to start with Systainer years ago, but couldn’t find any for sale. Went to Packout and they were everywhere. Got several Systainers for sale.
Festool tools are too expensive as well.
Festool looks like old computer towers
Quick question for you Richard, where are the money trees at? Asking for a friend 😜💯
Haha I slowly acquired this stuff over the past couple years by saving and meetings with the wife 😂
What is the grill as I want to get one ?
I am all-in on systainers, but am lusting after those Packout 2 drawer units. Having to unstack to get at stuff is a pain. Hopefully Festool comes out with a L-sized sortainer to match it.
I like the Sortainer drawers being swappable so easily. I have my normal configuration; but can mix and match the fasteners that I expect to need for a particular job really easily.
The different colors also makes a difference. I can use the colored latches to tell at a glance what a particular systainer has in it without needing to look at the label. Or for the most used stuff, tell my kids that I use as helpers which one to grab pretty easily.
You forgot to mention that the T stack when in a big stack can have the T lock positioned to tip the top half of the stack backwards in like a giant lid,to gain access to a sustainer in the middle of the stack.
Love your content and journey!
We have Festool/Tanos, Packout, Rigid, Dewalt, and Bosch L-Boxx.
Festool is great for indoor or van stored, 1-2 man crew finish carpenters like yourself. Best for Organization, capacity to footprint/weight factor, system integration & your tools aren't randomly banging around loose in their boxes damaging bits and such. They fit in most truck cross over job boxes too. They are not the most durable tho.
Packout is basically indestructible, semi lockable (only for casual theft, hate that that's even a thing), & if not using drawers, waterproof. These can go out with GC crews doing something more rough than finish carpentry. Rigid same, but less options.
Bosch L-Boxx is in a craptastic class by itself. It will break itself even in the workshop, bought it before Packout became a thing, & wish we didn't.
I'll stick with my makita makpac system thanks, changed the moulded inserts to foam and labelled the outside. All are sorted, durable and carried via a trolley.
I’ve been going between the Milwaukee and the Macpac . I recently got a Makita track saw and I’m looking for a better way to organize my home shop and I looked at some of the containers with drawers and was pretty impressed. Where do you typically buy yours? I found them to be relatively hard to find.
You may or may not know, but Makpacs are made by the same company (TANOS), and are compatible with systainer--they clip onto the bottom of new systainers just fine, because they have retained backwards compatibility with the older systainers.
You're making valid points. For me, I don't like the extra 3-dimensional space the Systainer system uses. I carry all my corded hand tools in a 3-level rolling tool box plus accessories. All my cordless tools, chargers, accessories, etc. fit into one 3-level rolling toolbox. If I used the Systainer system this amount of tools would fill my truck. With my 2 rolling boxes I can fit all those tools into an old VW Beetle. When I need my chop-saw I pick it up and throw it into the truck. I don't need the Systainer system box taking up extra room. Non-electric hand-tools I throw into carry-bags. Just personal preference. I would hate to be unstacking Systainer cases every time I needed to use a tool that wasn't on top of the pile.
You’ve started something now Richard 😊
Nice thorough review. Couldn’t agree more. Pack out is a great system. Systainer is better though.
I have some systainers, I spend most of my time spinning the green things, can never figure out which way does what...