Need a therapist? ⚠️ Don't make this mistake

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  • @kristinanne6534
    @kristinanne6534 Рік тому +72

    I got so lucky with my therapist. I started seeing her because I thought I was crazy and I wanted someone to help me. She figured out within the first session that I was actually the family scapegoat and was the victim of abuse. She saved my life honestly. I get so much from watching videos like this and I often share what I learn with her at our sessions. Thanks for what you do.

  • @MJS2376
    @MJS2376 Рік тому +44

    Some professionals will be bullies themselves!
    Others will need you more than you need them.
    The best therapist is one who simply deeply listens to and accompanies you as you journey towards your True Self.

    • @realitywinner7582
      @realitywinner7582 Рік тому +3

      absolutely . God Bless .

    • @scapegoatchildrecovery
      @scapegoatchildrecovery  Рік тому +16

      Simply deeply listening is great I agree.
      (just won't be sufficient to heal scapegoat child abuse).

    • @carolyngartner6865
      @carolyngartner6865 Рік тому +10

      They are more interested in us paying their exorbitant fees. Better to watch therapy on UA-cam.

    • @MJS2376
      @MJS2376 Рік тому +8

      @Mary Toolan As a scapegoat who is healed, I disagree. A Focusing partner (Gendlin) who knows how to deeply listen accompanies us as we learn to listen to what we've known all along....self-validation is a prerequisite for self-regulation and differentiation - and differentiation is what sets us free from the entanglements of sick family systems. It takes some time to learn, and a good Focusing partner is difficult to find....but if you are blessed to find one, you'll be on your way...

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Рік тому

      @@scapegoatchildrecovery agree. In addition to good attuned listening, It is hugely necessary to have quality psychoeducation- Next step development of the tools and skills to manage in life situations and why they are needed. and review of what you practiced. Not my own experience, unfortunately There is an excellent short UA-cam video by Dr Deborah Lee on Compassion and Trauma. I hope people get to see it.

  • @sll110
    @sll110 Рік тому +28

    I was deeply re traumatized by so many Assholes Therapists, they ruined my life...

    • @Frau.P
      @Frau.P Рік тому +8

      Me too. They are often the worst.

  • @Mourning_Dove
    @Mourning_Dove Рік тому +49

    I really hate it when therapists say that they specialize in trauma, etc. and they really don't and know nothing and waste your time and money. Totally retraumatizing.

    • @Frau.P
      @Frau.P Рік тому +4

      I am going trough the consequences currently 😢

    • @khalexi8692
      @khalexi8692 10 місяців тому +7

      very few truly understand how to help unfortunately. I didn't have a good experience with my therapist either

    • @nikstar1313
      @nikstar1313 Місяць тому

      I had one who said “I’m just wondering why you had to go no contact?” This was the 15th one that o was promised would “get it”

    • @Mourning_Dove
      @Mourning_Dove Місяць тому +2

      @@nikstar1313 I totally get your frustration. It's maddening trying to find a therapist who knows anything about trauma and abuse. I gave up on the therapy world years ago. Picked up knitting and crocheting to deal with my feelings. Helps some.
      God bless you, nikstar! Praying for you.

  • @EmmaLemmon
    @EmmaLemmon Рік тому +23

    I'm guessing my therapist shouldn't have shouted at me in session...

  • @powerdisney
    @powerdisney Рік тому +24

    11 minutes ...I so relate...I am in therapy AGAIN and find myself simply RE TELLING my story with nothing more than a LISTENING therapist ...allegedly studying for his PhD in counselling and with a full time position at a top Dublin hospital ...yet with NO CLUE of scapegoat dynamics let alone dissociative identity disorder which was the diagnosis I sought help for ....
    Sigh from County Meath in Ireland

    • @Mourning_Dove
      @Mourning_Dove Рік тому +4

      Don't waste your time, emotions, and money with this one.

    • @ceciletarling5229
      @ceciletarling5229 Рік тому +5

      You know more than this Therapist. Tape your story, listen to it as if a friend is telling you their story and see what advice you would suggest for them….then take it on board for yourself.

    • @powerdisney
      @powerdisney Рік тому +3

      @@ceciletarling5229 good advice...have recently done a re disclosure series on a podcast which I will blog soon...it is so hard to document with D.I.D.

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Рік тому +1

      @@ceciletarling5229 that’s very good advice. I had 4 years of very expensive damaging therapy- she was recommended- by her colleague who was semi retiring- I reckon the semi working part was “ supervision” for her buddy. I am not alone in also being in a covert abusive marriage all that time and being blamed.She is no longer listed as working. Accredited etc - if she was I would feel duty bound to make a complaint- to protect others. However there’s something that goes on with people who’ve been scapegoated that others can be doing stuff to you and it’s so weird and underhanded- there’s got to be some sort of process understanding from a real person therapist who can name this. It is very good that there is now proper information out there. Thanks so much Mary.

  • @lighthouselillie3262
    @lighthouselillie3262 Рік тому +36

    👍 Wish I would have known you when I needed help, 30 years ago… I went to a psychiatrist with my boyfriend at that time, because I was suffering from a depression. During the consultation the psychiatrist and my boyfriend had a conversation about me, as if they knew what was wrong with me, I was not asked any explanation. In that meeting my soul woke up and said to me: Let them continue discussing your life, but please get out of this world asap, this is not in your benefit… escape and start living your life! I did not see the psychiatrist ever again, and I quit my boyfriend. And guess what… that decision was the end of my depression. …a bad therapist, but my biggest lesson ever 😅 Thank you for your videos Mary 🙏🇫🇷

  • @DHW256
    @DHW256 Рік тому +6

    I was fourteen years old the time I saw a therapist, at our mother's insistence. I was stressed out and beat down, deathly ill with an auto-immune disorder that, months later, would nearly kill me. Mom also insisted that she and Dad would participate in the sessions.
    After a few weeks of sessions, the therapist almost immediately excused me from our last session to discuss the case. About 45 minutes later my parents walked out of the office, Mom fuming that I had somehow manipulated the therapist, and Dad dutifully followed her. The therapist suggested that it was Mom who needed to seek counseling, that I simply needed space and love, and we all know that's too much for a full-blown narcissist to handle.
    Mom lived a pitiful life, constantly projecting the guilt of her own commissions on everyone else, especially her children; constantly forcing herself to be the center of attention, refusing to simply let others be, and reliably trying to beat down anybody who shined in her presence. It was awful dealing with her, yet she managed to fool a lot of people.

    • @w8what575
      @w8what575 Рік тому

      Sounds exactly like what happened to me when I was a teenager except my psychiatrist told my mother to just leave me alone etc that I wasn’t abnormal at all lol.,,I wasn’t allowed to see that psychiatrist any longer

  • @Joelswinger34
    @Joelswinger34 Рік тому +7

    I have certainly found some therapists who had no business being therapists.
    I think they need better tests before they are able to practice.

  • @MoteOfDust430
    @MoteOfDust430 Рік тому +19

    You make me think that there may be a way for me to actually recover. Thank you

  • @siobhanquinlan6922
    @siobhanquinlan6922 Рік тому +13

    Thank you Mary, quite correct what you are saying. I've been there and after the third consult realised they actually don't get it. Lost my trust in the "therapist".
    Making wonderful strides though, through excellent podcasts like yours.

  • @nuria3736
    @nuria3736 Рік тому +22

    Or... They base their therapy in the obligation for you to FORGIVE THEM 🙄🙄

    • @TeaRose9
      @TeaRose9 29 днів тому +1

      This one is very common.

  • @elizabethdarley8646
    @elizabethdarley8646 Рік тому +4

    I heard invalidation this morning from a psychiatric nurse NHS who always looks at the abuse I've experienced from the point of view of my abusers. I have researched into the subject since 1986!!!

  • @nikstar1313
    @nikstar1313 Місяць тому +3

    One therapist said “I feel on trial here” when I asked a question. Infuriating!!

  • @breannaswagerty7075
    @breannaswagerty7075 Рік тому +5

    Fantastic and to-the-point questions that can save a lot of time and money (and pain)! Thank you!

  • @nancybartley4610
    @nancybartley4610 Рік тому +2

    Our needs are never the same. If you were emotionally neglected, you are probably completely unaware of the abuse you experienced because this type of abuse isn't obvious. Scapegoating of an emotionally neglected child may come later in life after one parent dies. That parent may have held scapegoating at bay and now the remaining parent and siblings are free to relegate one member to the scapegoat role. The emotional neglected person may simply accept such treatment without questioning it.
    On another note, some people, like some parents, simply are not qualified to be therapists. They can do more damage than good.

  • @IloveNewyork1
    @IloveNewyork1 Рік тому +2

    My first therapist, after breaking off relations with those people, was initially very helpful. After I had seen her for a few months, I decided she had taken me as far as she could. Now I have another therapist, but because of the first, I know what I want and expect from a therapist, and if I don't get it,I will leave.

  • @elizabethdarley8646
    @elizabethdarley8646 Рік тому +2

    The NHS has, for the first time, in March 2023, actually published pages on C-PTSD. I've been teaching myself about it for a few years! I'm ahead of the professionals 😊

    • @elizabethdarley8646
      @elizabethdarley8646 Рік тому

      NHS inform complex PTSD

    • @elizabethdarley8646
      @elizabethdarley8646 Рік тому

      I've had 5 x 50 mins in NHS assessments over two months and I received no response or learning offered other than to be then put on a months long waiting list for a group online mindfulness course by an NHS doctor of psychology who probably hasn't been the family scapegoat!!!!!!!!!!?

    • @elizabethdarley8646
      @elizabethdarley8646 Рік тому +1

      Dear Mary, I can get some idea that you've had training in psychology and the models of approach in helping people.
      A careers advisor recommend that I avoid training further as a therapist because I have had decades of trauma.. But it seems that your experience of trauma informs your ability to help people. Is this the case do you think, Mary?. Please.
      Kind regards from Elizabeth

  • @nikstar1313
    @nikstar1313 Місяць тому

    11:00 this is EXACTLY what situation I’m in. Thank you ❤

  • @DosBear
    @DosBear Рік тому +1

    I totally agree. You must be very careful when picking a therapist and be sure it is someone who has actually been through this themselves. Heck, I even tried to explain a bit of my situation to my new family doctor to give him some understanding about who he was dealing with and came aways feeling unbelieved after he made some jackass comment that he usually finds there is some truth to accusations that are made against others. The man has no business being a doctor in my opinion. There is nothing quite like being insinutated as a liar by someone you are going to seek help from after just a 30 minute consultation.

    • @bridaw8557
      @bridaw8557 Місяць тому +1

      Lived Experience is key. I prefer peer counseling, honestly. They get it.

    • @DosBear
      @DosBear Місяць тому

      @@bridaw8557 Yes, that's basically what I said when I advised finding a therapist that has been through it as that makes them a peer and more qualified to understand the issues.

  • @trinity5842
    @trinity5842 Рік тому +6

    Can you make an option if we would like to contribute to your channel? There is one called buy me a coffee x

  • @robertadimatteo4858
    @robertadimatteo4858 Місяць тому +2

    When therapist do this, it's because they don't know anything about what you're talking about.
    They're not even aware that these problems exist, it happened to me many times I got away and I healed without any Therapist I healed with A
    Few facebook groups , some great youtube channels and Pranayama breathwork, And also some
    Hypnotherapy

  • @samanthab6668
    @samanthab6668 Рік тому +1

    Amazing content and useful information - Thankyou so much!! So many light bulb moments for me, when watching your video's - Endless thanks :)

  • @claudiaschneider5744
    @claudiaschneider5744 Рік тому +7

    I´ve been searching for years now - sick and tired about therapists, coaches or psychiatrist´s, which have no education at all in narc. childhood abuse, being the scapegoat in a dysfunct. family, traumabonding, etc. pp. - They do act pretty smart and tricky at the phone, but when you sitting face to face with them - the truth comes out, pretty fast - they do have no idea at all - giving you a reading out of their bible bc. only Jesus can help ppl. like you....its devastating meanwhile - waste of time, energy and money. Became to old for those kind of strange games. Forget it.

  • @Maria-oi3uo
    @Maria-oi3uo Рік тому +3

    Thankyou 🙏💗

  • @sheilabest3652
    @sheilabest3652 Рік тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @mapleleaf902
    @mapleleaf902 Рік тому +31

    I had a therapist say she didn't believe me in a group setting. I was horrified.

    • @HeartFeltGesture
      @HeartFeltGesture Рік тому +17

      Covert narcissists lurk in these professions.

    • @sannajohanna5579
      @sannajohanna5579 9 місяців тому +6

      Horrible! As if someone goes to such a session to tell tails! 😮

  • @rs5570
    @rs5570 Рік тому +14

    Honestly, Mary, I will never go to another therapist. I worked with a coach who has a YT channel. Very intelligent guy, degrees, BUT not as any sort of therapist. What he did have was empathy, compassion & EXPERIENCE being abused by his parents. I credit him with saving my life. Someone like Mary is the road I take now. These fancy psychology degrees are worthless to me. I get nothing but arrogance, judgement, criticism, no empathy WHATSOEVER. Mary, in the US no therapist would tolerate being vetted or interviwed in any way.. They are arrogant & superior & treat clients like they’re scum.

    • @ruthbarnes9999
      @ruthbarnes9999 Рік тому +2

      In in Australia too it wouldn't work interviewing psychologists and is too expensive to do

    • @rigmorleira6290
      @rigmorleira6290 Рік тому +1

      True

    • @TranscendingTrauma
      @TranscendingTrauma 8 місяців тому +1

      Agree

    • @janedoe6704
      @janedoe6704 Місяць тому

      Im glad more people are talking about this. Thank you for speaking up.

  • @itsallgood7279
    @itsallgood7279 Рік тому +31

    My eyes are watering because you completely understand. It's been a long, lonely, painful journey until your channel. I fear it's too late for me to really heal. But I take some solace that I'm not alone. Mary, thank you.

    • @MANDYLOLA1
      @MANDYLOLA1 Рік тому +7

      I don’t feel like it can ever leave our body but understanding it makes us a little bit freer and we can love ourselves hard knowing it’s not us it is them 🌈♥️🙏🏼

    • @siobhanquinlan6922
      @siobhanquinlan6922 Рік тому +4

      Keep strong, thinking of you.

    • @karenellis2098
      @karenellis2098 Рік тому +5

      It’s not too late to heal!! If you’re breathing, you’re in the perfect position to heal.

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Рік тому

      @@karenellis2098 love that attitude.

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Рік тому +2

      @@MANDYLOLA1 we can make friends with all our hurt parts. Honour ourselves this way. And know we deserved better.

  • @RochelleRosenbledt
    @RochelleRosenbledt Рік тому +11

    Your story and journey is so inspiring. Your content is amazing!
    Finding a therapist who specifically specializes in narcissistic or pathological family systems is so important!
    Thank you for making this channel Mary! ❤

  • @albin2232
    @albin2232 11 місяців тому +3

    Not all therapists are equal. Some are good, some are worse than useless and worsen things. You should 'audition' therapists. That means to check every aspect of the way they treat you. I wasted years and a lot of money on therapy that went nowhere because the therapists had no real understanding of the way trauma affects people. Eventually, I saw an EMDR therapist who specialises in trauma. After a few dozen sessions, my panic attacks, flashbacks and nightmares completely disappeared. I am now working on the more subtle symptoms of CPTSD. I still have a lot to do. Please note that I'm not saying that EMDR is the right thing for everyone. Everyone is different. Interestingly, she did five 'setting up for therapy sessions' which gave us a chance to get to know each other and set goals for therapy. Be aware that if you feel like you're going nowhere with a therapist after 4-6 sessions, you are probably going nowhere. Don't waste a lot of time and money as I did.

  • @krisluvsutube2684
    @krisluvsutube2684 Рік тому +8

    I thought I found a therapist. I asked if she understood narcissist abuse. She said yes so on the first meeting after telling her some of the major things going on that I had been dealing with and that I was no contact she says "Well no contact is Ok for now. And then after saying I had only recently learned my mother was covert npd and my whole family abuses me she asks "Have you forgiven them"? I left and never went back.

  • @queengreen007
    @queengreen007 Рік тому +13

    One important consideration for clients, you're there for therapy regarding a specific issue in your life you need to find answers and real solutions for coping and healing. No therapist should ever "steer" you into a philosophy or faith different from what you already have. I had to set a therapist straight and inform her I was not interested in pursuing Buddhist teachings or coping mechanisms that were counter to my faith. Besides, I studied Comparative Religions in college, so I knew what Buddhism is all about. Nothing. Needless to say, We only had 2 appointments. I set my boundaries upfront to the next therapist, not here for a change of faith, she appreciated my steps to protect myself and have a great start on a journey to heal.

    • @Lyrielonwind
      @Lyrielonwind Рік тому +8

      I had one who was into family constelations and New Age stuff.

    • @viviane_casella
      @viviane_casella Рік тому +6

      @@Lyrielonwindyeah! I met many like that, I was into it for a while. It made my CPTSD worst actually, I was disregulated all the time. The next one was a invalidating feminist, she was even worst.

    • @queengreen007
      @queengreen007 Рік тому +3

      @@viviane_casella I am sorry you had to experience that. I hope you have found therapy right for you. Blessings to you.

    • @queengreen007
      @queengreen007 Рік тому +2

      @@Lyrielonwind I am sorry you have dealt with this too. It's frustrating when these people think they are here to indoctrinate.

    • @queengreen007
      @queengreen007 Рік тому

      @@millicientaspinet5607 I am not surprised. Recruiting was he?? I keep warning people about doctors. I was in medical field 25 years and there are some freaks in white coats. Did you know the top 3 professions that attract the most psychopaths? Cops (not a stretch), attorneys and doctors. Yep. Politicians goes w/I saying...

  • @yootoob1001001
    @yootoob1001001 Рік тому +5

    Important to ask above all things, including their educational credentials, is if they have done their own work. If they haven't they can only assist you as much as they've met themselves. Interview them and ask lots of questions and don't necessarily settle just to have a therapist.

  • @taylorpresley4604
    @taylorpresley4604 10 місяців тому +3

    I have been in recovery off and on most of my life and I am continually working on my healing. I must say you are one of the very best I have listened to on YT, you hit the nail on the head! Thank you very much

  • @aubreyj.tennant1123
    @aubreyj.tennant1123 Рік тому +7

    Thís is so very important to hear! I’m currently searching and although I’ve heard other UA-camrs talk around this - you have hit it head on Mary!
    Thank you so much 🙏🏼😊🤗

  • @rainrainwebdesign
    @rainrainwebdesign Рік тому +4

    Thanks for this. Great advice, well explained. Handy that the sections are on the video playbar too.

  • @sweetmaryjanesgifts3773
    @sweetmaryjanesgifts3773 Рік тому +4

    Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos and post for us. Thank you Mary.

  • @betinansi201
    @betinansi201 8 місяців тому +1

    Repeating the same story over and over is tiring for sure. How does a psychologist help ? Currently seeing one but not sure even where its heading. Thanks

  • @sandi5276
    @sandi5276 2 дні тому

    I've watched your videos, got your e-book, visited your website. I believe you are the right therapist 100%; but why is video/phone therapy so expensive?! It's just out of my ability to pay almost $4,000 USD per month. But I will keep re-watching your videos and do this workbook; thank you truly sincerely.

  • @barbaras5874
    @barbaras5874 11 днів тому

    You are brilliant, I love listening to you. I feel like I'm realising a lot.

  • @lindahall8703
    @lindahall8703 Місяць тому

    Pretty color sweater for you.

  • @parakleyt2004
    @parakleyt2004 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Miss Mary

  • @nilaja-itsmylife
    @nilaja-itsmylife Рік тому +17

    As a long term therapy user I now know that “interviewing” the therapist is VERY IMPORTANT.
    Not every therapist is a match. It’s quite the opposite. Consider searching for a therapist like looking for a job or dating. You do have a choice.
    And exposing your truths is such a vulnerable state and shouldn’t be done up front just because one has degrees on the wall.
    Love ya all ❤️✨
    Post Script: Hey Mary!! Love your channel & insights. You’ve helped me IMMENSELY 🙏🏾🫶🏽

    • @ceciletarling5229
      @ceciletarling5229 Рік тому

      Is a good therapist someone who agrees with you and sympathises or someone who makes you look at yourself and see what you have contributed to the situation you are in?

    • @nilaja-itsmylife
      @nilaja-itsmylife Рік тому

      @@ceciletarling5229 no where in my comment did I mention “a good” therapist. And by the posing of your question it seems you have your answer

    • @ceciletarling5229
      @ceciletarling5229 Рік тому

      @@nilaja-itsmylife you mentioned interviewing a therapist and searching for a therapist like looking for a job etc. are you looking for someone who agrees, validates and has sympathy for your situation or someone who challenges you to look within to heal. You sound defensive to my previous question.

    • @Gemmarose9012
      @Gemmarose9012 Рік тому

      @@ceciletarling5229 A quality therapist will do BOTH.

  • @rural_girl555
    @rural_girl555 Рік тому +2

    wat if u ask them those questions and they ghost you cus u tell them ur not booking but asking them questions instead before booking 😒