The Big Picture : Need For Agricultural Reforms
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2020
- Agriculture in India faces growing challenges and also presents plenty of opportunities but successive governments have been hesitant to bring reforms fearing political ramifications. Crucial decisions needed to the sector an impetus have been delayed in the fear of losing votes. There has also been a lack of vision. The Modi government has brought about reforms, but has been met with stiff opposition from farmers. They remain firm on their demand to get the new farm laws repealed. As the protests continue, industry bodies representing Indian corporates are worried about the stalemate situation between farmers and the government as it is causing huge losses. The Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India has urged the government and farmers' organisations to resolve the impasse. Meanwhile, the CII said the new reforms will improve market access and increase income opportunities for farmers. The industry body added that the reforms are focused on the input side, introducing risk mitigation measures, reducing post-harvest losses and augmenting market opportunities. Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday said farmers were being misled about agriculture reforms and the reforms were exactly what farmer bodies and even opposition parties had been asking over the years. In this edition of the Big Picture we will analyse the need for agricultural reforms.
Anchor:- Frank Rausan Pereira
Producer:- Sagheer Ahmad
Show- The Big Picture
Guest Name:-
1- Gautam Chikermane Vice President, Observer Research Foundation
2- Abhinav Prakash, Assistant Professor, Economics, University of Delhi
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And also I think more economist, corporate leaders, agricultural scientists must also be invited in this show as to know their perspective.
Right
@@TheGaganDeepshri we need agricultural scientists in implementation phase not in policy making
Please bring farmer's leaders who are opposing the same Bills.... Then only clarity comes otherwise one way is not at all bring down dissent...
Yahi baat bolenge woo bhi. Chacha jo bill.mei likha hai usse samaj nhi aata kya? Tum wo log ho jinko showroom mei saman toh dikhta h saamne par chaiye koi salesman hota hai jo aake tumko dikhaye. 🤣🤣
@@cyrusaxton7668 you both look like frauds to me!
It would have been better if one of the panelist were keeping the prospective of the farmers as well
It does benefit farmers right
Agree... They shld hv included them too
One sided
Let's keep farm bills as it is and start discussion on MSP only.
Thank you very much RS.
However, the RS may requested to bring the panelists from 75 Agricultural Universities of India, 101 Research Institutes of ICAR.
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Rajneeti h aur kuch ni opposition ko pta tha ye reforms aagye to GDP 1 se 1.5% aur bdhegi India ki like abhi 7.2 ki jgh 8.2 ho skti thi
Every reform create it's own loosers and it's own winner's!
Disappointed to see a panel only echoing each other. Frank, do consider a more balanced panel the next time.
Dear VP ,ORF
MP's were trying to debate the bill in the parliament ,more over demanding the bills to be referred to Select committee
BUT we all know what happened there ,demands fell on the deaf ears, ruthlessly passed without even division.
tell me one thing if gov is ready to amend the bill then why to oppose everybody knows punjab and middlemen will 7000 crores.Midllemen have sucked blood of innocent farmers till now but now the time is reap to make change for the benefits of farmers ..
@@manishkumaryadav4162 Farmers are happy to pay 2.5% i.e rs45-48 per quintal,
over the price reduction of the cereals by 50% i.e rs900 ,as in Bihar
Don't Judge me I am a literate farmer holding only 4 acres of land not a so called "middlemen"
@Maninder Pal Singh bhai ... Bihar and Punjab are different .. avg Bihar farmer has 1 acre of land and most don’t even have land ... on the other hand Punjab and Haryana are the big producer states and avg farmer has 2 acre land ... Punjab is given highest amount of subsidy, free electricity.. and it ranks 13th in agriculture gdp ... unfair isn’t it...?? What’s even worse 80-90 % land is under wheat and rice only!! (No crop diversification)That too of subpar quality for pds purposes and we can’t even export it!!! It’s getting stale in stores ..useless!!...Now please think ... this msp is not the minimum support price but has become the maximum price .. also rice cultivation is not suited in Punjab .... soil has degraded because of over use of urea and fertilisers ...80% of ground water has depleted !! do you realise how serious problem this is.??? Cancer express train runs through Punjab ... the food itself is becoming poison... take example of dairy producers how they started cooperatives and are thriving.. if you really want the upliftment of the poor farmers ..give it a thought..Jai Hind!!
@@himanshuthakur8503 the envionmental issues are there, but these farm bills dont guarantee redressal of them...
hey, ever heard about the issue of potato farmers of gujarat.. the pepsico case ?
Looks like a government perspective, no one to contradict them . Sir please bring someone from farmer union , a local farmer leader who has the ground level knowledge.
Sitting in ac room having a cup of tea and formal discussion is totally different thing.
Please invite someone to cross question them🙏
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Tyy Rstv nd Frank Sir for the discussion...
I don't stand with the oligopoly of BJP but this time government has brought a array of good legislations. It should be accepted by everyone.
I dont agree because ..
There is no need for such reforms
Because even earlier farmer can sell their produce wherever they want
@@harshitagaur2675 Then whats the big fuss about? More than 90 percent of the farmers alteady sell to private traders. But there r apmc restrictions in marketing in many states. Marketing reforms is 1 solid reform that we could bring in agriculture
I think more dicussion on MSP is much needed so analyse it's nature.
And also as abhinav sir mentioned that entry corporates is gonna help marginal farmers with non farm wages, I think much more elaborate discussion needs to done on this.
Once you start following an ideology truth doesn't matter 😊😊
True...they are making their own farmer's concerns and debating over them...They don't wanna know what farmers are saying. Sitting in the office deciding what is good for someone at ground level what is not. Same kind of attitude criticized by Mahatma Gandhi too.
Govt needs to gain the trust of farmer they need smart communication why some economist and Agroscientist ♥️
Bhai sote huye ko jagaya ja sakta hai par jo sone ka natak kar raha ho use nahi jagaya ja sakta
Wonderful discussion .....
But it must be work in not only talk which influence or enhance these critical situation by protests of farmers
Why biased discussion? Where are those golden days of The Big Picture? Sad!
Mr Gautam has not even the time to read the bills. In the contract farming, it is clearly written, if farmer breaks the agreement and he is unable to pay back, the land revenue act will come into place. So why kand revenue act here????
Read the Bill twice . Or read the original bill.
Karam Please copy - paste that portion of law here.
@@jaynitpethani2266 @@jaynitpethani2266 page 6 of 8. (7) The amount payable under any order passed by the Sub-Divisional Authority or the Appellant Authority, as the case may be, may be recovered as arrears of land revenue.
Thats why I hate replying to people. You do not want to read anything. You are here only after listening to some so called experts on Godi Media channels who are just doing their propaganda.
Please read before commenting.
@@Yuvipaa2805 @UCXUZj_MBkRIp5xiDaLmljBQ page 6 of 8. (7) The amount payable under any order passed by the Sub-Divisional Authority or the Appellant Authority, as the case may be, may be recovered as arrears of land revenue.
Thats why I hate replying to people. You do not want to read anything. You are here only after listening to some so called experts on Godi Media channels who are just doing their propaganda.
Please read before commenting.
15:21 and here starts the 1st step to market monopoly. panelist said middleman is not bad thing as they bring value to supply chain. same panelist must open his eye and see the telecom sector of today.
He should also look to the mobile shop around his locality and compare their condition with 10 years before. online monopolization of a handful sellers and and the highly manipulatative rating and review system has brought those shopkeepers to their knees. thus you may see rise in balance sheet of corporates and subsequently in gdp but you will surely see the rise of unemployment and fall in human development index.
Now as a leader you have to choose which way you will go........ good ranking in HDI, happiness index, less unemployment or merely the balance sheet and gdp graph. (note while writing i considered your possible counter argument that corporate also provide job but if you compare both you will surely understand how less that is)
Sir, I agree with your analogy of the telecom sector. But I'd like to point out that 83% of Indian farmer is small farmer, that's below 1ha. They are already suffering from a monopoly, it's just that monopoly is if different structure that's all. The middle men- money lending- trader nexus, is already running a monopolistic hold over the market. Decades of reforms are unable to break their hold, as they were the only source of procurement, money and input source. These laws are attempting to break the monopoly and provide you alternatives.
To add to the analogy sir, the shopkeepers disappeared due to improved banking services such as online banking....
@@nitinhugar9552 there was always alternative there. There is no law which prohibits farmer to sell anywhere they wish.
Farmers are in a way entrepreneurs. They completely grow crop from scratch and then sell that. Corporate will inevitably bring contract farming and converting those farmers to a mere contract labour is the worst thing we can hope.
Moreover if any dispute arises farmer can't sue those corporate (provision mentioned in farm bill).this adds salt to the injury.
According to me the best solution is co operative farming. Though it is painstaking and humongous work to grow proper farm co operative fedaralism in every part of our country but if any one truly wants the condition of the farmers improve then they must take the initiative and fast track it.(Milk sector amul is the shining example of co operative )
Rs Tv why didn't you invite any opposition representative this is not the right way to debate
who will oppose this bill in public broadcasting channel means for your knowledge its a govt. ib cha. idiot
@Gagan Deep you missed the format of the show. This is not a debate show I presume. According to me it is like group discussion. But yes they should address the view of protesting farmers and should analyse those.
Please do a special discussion on msp
Well done.
1. Crucial decisions giving impetus to agriculture has been delayed due to the fear of losing votes
2. Lack of vision
3. Industries are worried are about farmers vs govt bcz of loses
4.cii will improve market opportunities and reduce risk mitigation
Panelists
1. Reform of apmc infrastructure, easing out essentially commodity act.
Some good points also. No subsidies should be given to large farmers.
One sided discussion are always ridiculous.
Its a bitter truth that whenever reforms carried out by govt are always opposed. We can take the example of OBC reservation as well and now we are living with that ..
I didn't get u.... Wht point u want to make?
In 1992 Govt brought reservation for OBC and there was huge protest across the country but govt was adamant at not to move and finally we are living with that ...
Vulnerable section
Need for agricultural reform
-discuss whether msp good or bad
Farmers demand / certain section
How industry can help the plight of agriculture and sector
- more efficient
- investment
- infrastructure
- supply chains, cold storage, ware houses
- congract farming more formalized manner
Why farmers suspicious for market forces?
- Certain section
Way forward
Contract enforcement
Direct income support
Msp
Gautam sir 11:20 , you are right debate must happen.
So please tell was there any debates happen before enacting these three farm laws ,had government discussed these bills with farmers,had they discussed in lok sabha ,rajya sabha ,had any cross questions happen? If a constitutionally formed government itself not following debate and discussion method before imposing law ,
Then how they expect.
I want to debate over the issues (because myself an honest farmer)
Sir organise a debate on why does corporate governance not suitable for Indian agriculture sector and its threats.
Thanks RSTV
The discussion was quite good, the the whole scene must be looked at in more pragmatic way, the discussion was incline towards farm laws are good, but non of them had talked about short, mid and long term consequences on farmers, farm labours etc....
Every coins has two side in similar fashion farmer side must be aired, then and only then it will be called discussion .
Good morning everyone
Gautam sir talking about the roads are not the place to discuss the laws but at the same time the winter session of the parliament is not going to happen, then when we should discuss the farm bills....
Just asking I'm not criticizing anyone they have tell us very clearly but this point make me confused
bills are good step towards agriculture reforms....but govt need to show some flexibility ....bcoz farmer concerns are also valid
Poor debate: disappointed
Abhinav said: capitalism is good, socialism is bad
Abhinav ended with: protest is being led by rich capitalist farmers.
totally agree
I believe there is a difference between capitalism and capitalist farmers. The first one stands for an ideology while the second one is more likely one of the attributes of the farming sector today.
@@shivi2515 then it will be like: ideology is okay or best, but people who follow those ideologies are worst and that too sector wise specifically to agriculture, if capitalism is being followed by industrialist it's best...is it so ?
@@samarthgraphics8707 No there has to be no generalisation. Capitalism would be considered good but only if the capitalists don't flourish at the cost of others in their sector. If that be the case it is bad for all the Sectors be it industries or agriculture or any other sector. If growth is a fruit it has to be enjoyed by all.
@@shivi2515 yeah that's correct, any system has to be with its checks and balances, hence blanket generalisation is not good.
Topic of discussion should be changed to Farm laws
We need debate on MSP....But panel should be from farmers representative and economic expert..
Agriculture laws are good for indian farmers, it will help to double small and marginal farmers income and provide multiple options to sale their harvest produced. We are supporting it. GOI please implement these laws with no change in passed act
Nice sir👍
Amazing discussion thank you RSTV.
I too do feel that discussion is somewhat biased....... They shld hv incorporated farmers perspective as well
Great discussion
Good panelists
Professor Abhinav Prakash is not aware of that corporate will not make labourer their employees , they will work under some big contractor
A good discussion, I also support the laws in-principle. However, the discussion didn't bring the local or grassroot informal economy of agriculture in the picture. So, the fear that MSP will lose and the Middleman will be removed by the law, the source of this fear is 'risk-averse' behavior of the farmer, particularly of Punjab and Haryana. Now, due to the lack of formal credit to the farmer (less than 5% small and marginal farmer gets formal credit), farmers are dependent on Middleman for the informal credit, Middleman leverage this dependence and buy the produce at the cheaper rate which makes the difference between 'farm and fork prices' huge in India. But, the farmer on the other gets assured informal credit, and get himself/herself trapped in the viscous cycle. Now, the fear is that in the absence of Middleman who will give this credit for agriculture inputs to the farmer? From farmer's point of view, it's a risky situation, the fear of losing the 'default'.
Professor on the panel mentioned 'economics', I am sure he must have read the 'risk averse behavior of the farmer' in basic development economics book by Debraj Ray!
Valid Point. We can tackle this issue by direct income transfer.
I read around 15 comments and i think that comment section is better.
Badka reformer bane hai
Debate on accumulation of wealth in few hands how to make equitable distribution of resources
GOI should be do away with subsidies provided for irrigation, electricity for marginal and large farmers. Loan waiver should be done away with all category of farmers
u should do away with food🖕🏼
Professor sir salary is not decided by market forces, he got fixed salary and objecting on fixed 'salary' (msp) of farmer
Laws are good but,there is want some changes in that...
Seems convincing discussion ... debate?? With no guest is farmer
Agricultural reform is the need of the hour while having huge agri dependent masses , govt has taken tremendous step in agriculture sector where farmer can sell their crops in different markets as per their choice, reform in essential commodity, all reform is in favour of farmer but somewhere miss conception related to msp and contract farming in the farmer community which they are doing protest against the government. i think we need to discuss with each Stakholder to find some right path which one suitable for farmers. i think we need to commercialise the agricultural sector as in western country are doing and they are doing well and earning well. farmer are steel piller of india,if strengthen farmer it will ultimately strengthen our country but need reform with changing time.
Hmm when these will be privatize then there will be a monopoly created by companies nd farmers will be bound to sell at specific price.
For u information
Farmers still can sell at any price anywhere but they don't have such funds, Transport facility.
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Best analysis of the three laws. Insightful. 👍
Nice debate,but we want more representatives from farmers side also,its very true that capitalism is the solution istead of socialsm..which is mere a utopian thought.
Agree with the panelists on MSP. BUT, please discuss the Cons also. The discussion cannot be just tend towards one side. How about weakening of APMCs, the issue of a less educated farmer looking at well structured Corporate "Terms and Conditions" and signing it without knowing what is in store for them, the issue of keeping 100% price rise for Perishable and 50% in non-perishable as trigger for Govt interference (why not 20 or 30%?- A common man will not be able to withstand 99% rise in price), Land rights Grab by corporate entities.... Discuss everything please.. I felt that the discussion is heavily biased.
Landless labourers will be most affected by the reforms. Coz of PDS system contributes their daily food security
Bro
The food we collect for PDS is 3 times of what the nation consumes every year.
This year we were lucky again that there was no food pandemic in this country cuz the government took the responsibility to feed 80 crore people on their own. These included the landless labourers.
The 3 laws give options to farmers to sell the crops where he want.
Wherever he will find the best price, he will sell it there.
Moreover the government is only able to purchase the crops from only punjabi and haryanvi farmers through MSP which is a compulsion to them.
MSP is also a loss to the government also.
Government will never stop purchasing food from MSP from the farmers but it is giving farmers in ROI to have options.
Mandi to already bike hue hai.
Saath Gaath or boli ka khel hai vha.
@@adirana9550 I agree but it'll be costlier for govt to buy from Private players than from Mandi ryt which in turn govt will spend their revenue on securing food for poor like in Ration etc
But in everything there r pros and cons.but it'll be right decision to intro farm reforms going forward
Everything discussed here is 'true', but the limitations not discussed here 'exist' and farmers will have to face that, listen to their perspective too.
A very good discussion. Thank you RSTV and Frank sir for bringing up this topic with great panelists.
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Disagree on some points
1)MSP didn't distorted cropping pattern. Govt didn't procure other Agricultural products rather than paddy,wheat and cotton which incentivised farmers to grow it
how can you ignore other facts punjab and haryana will run of water in near future due to subsidy given by gov the need of hour is to change the cropping pattern and shift farmers to non agriculture fields...
Isliye to farmers Wheat and Rice ke production cycle se bahar nahi aa rahe. Even rice and wheat are rotting in FCI due to excessive intake.
MSP is on 28 produces. 2 produces have special guarantee that is rice and wheat. That if any trader don't buy them...Gov will buy it.
We need vegetable, fruit farmers so we can export.
Today India's largest export is Rice which yields low rate in international market compared to fruits and veges.
Also 1 KG of rice production needs 4000 to 5000 water. Which means we are also exporting our water in disguise.
@@manishkumaryadav4162 Dear brother that is the fact I am emphasising upon if govt is declaring MSP on 23 crops and procuring only 3 then this kind of havocs are going to happen.Govt is also not Keen to procure pulses despite fact that we are largest importer of pulses.Accoding to DPSP India is welfare state so and otherwise government should also procure other crops.
Farmers' perspective is sorely missed in this discussion which is altogether pro-farm bill.
The observation of mr . Vice president of observer research foundation about reform on the street is really narrow mindset of democracy . He needs to understand that these Act were not referred to parliamentary standing committees and thereby lack of debate , discussion and detailed analysis was there . He need to be more inclusive about the constitutionally and efficiency of protests in democracy .
We discuss debate but other countries already implement set an example
The big picture Hindi me available kra do please.
Good.... representative of farmers were not important for this debate
For Those saying msp is not going to be removed
Mota bhai : chronology samjhiye..
MSP is disastrous for the environment! MSP ensures water-guzzling crops rice and wheat are produced when we don't need them. India produces 2.5 times of rice and wheat than what it needs! government should help farmers by Direct benefit transfer, not by MSP.
Abhinav sir, gets distracted the entire debate, and not have prospective towards the practically application of these laws, he shoes, it might be happen, bt the reality is totally different
No other paid can give such a relevant information ...
Need to be first make Industry competitive and able to export Indian goods all over world and then start on farming sector ... not a single company who international competitive they only do business in india and regional and poor countries...
Agriculture is primary sector and if we focus on secondary sector first then economy would never rise. We did the same mistake during LPG reforms. We directly jumped from agriculture to services so now we are lacking in industry. So we should go sequentially. Now coming to mobile manufacturer we can never compete with other mobile companies unless we bring some innovation.👍
@@himanshujain136 Need to be innovation first and provide better quality seed that would be help reduce their production cost and then need to change reform not under pressure on Business group which are already in profit during covd19 too.
@@skyinfinite006 who will provide better quality seed???.... Govt or corporate????.... Funds are needed for that...... Answer rests with the unknown investor???
@@pramodsingh3655 From where get money for Vista project and Plane ??
Brother, Need to preference Farmers first instead of this, if Gov.really want to do double farmer earnings..
jai hind
Not a balanced debate..
Please consider balancing the debates a bit more.
Mostly protestors are from Haryana and Punjab Because Govt has not built the mandis in other part of the country for procurement. So, farmers at other places are not getting MSP. So, its the Govt whos responsible for this discrimination btw farmers. Why they have not built the infrastructure in other parts of the country? How much is the budger allocation for the same?
Mandis made by state govt. Educate yourself.
Most farmers are from Haryana and Punjab because they think ( without reading the original bill) APMC are now removed.
It's only Haryana and Punjab 's farmers who get benefits from msp.
Do you ever asked a farmer from Orissa about his benefits from msp. No you can't because only 5-6% of farmers are getting benefits from msp, among which 80% are from Haryana and Punjab.
Msp are not allowed on vegetables fruits flowers dairy , do you ever asked or fought for them.
No , you can't fight for them .
So please read the bill.
We have mandis in wb. Govt only buy few grains only. It is giving farmers another way to sell their products and that's optional too.
@@satyajitchattopadhyayyt have I said central Govt. Fools everywhere. Eager to reply. I said Govt.
@@Yuvipaa2805 We want MSP for every crop to every farmer in the country. This fight is for every farmers in the India. You IT Cell bhakts , you polarization propaganda will not work here. Chaato jaake apne boss ki. Kisaan nhi sunte yeh baatein baantne waali.
Collection of report is not debate
i don't agree that there are capitalist farmers, there may be, but what's the fraction of these rich farmers compare to the total number of farmers in India..? very less , may be less than even 1 percent, and what about the rest of 90 to 99 percent poor vulnerable farmers, whose job( agriculture) still depends upon vagaries of monsoon, where nothing is certain, one year they may expect good rainfall, surplus production but next year vice versa, with arrival of Globalization and consumerism, all other jobs like office works etc got benefitted , their employers PCI increased, but farmers income is still almost stagnant, how do they deal with the rising inflation ? why nobody is concerned about that.
and other argument that these farmers reach to parliament, i don't agree at all, just see around you....the most poor section in village are those engaged in agriculture, this is a big joke saying that they rule parliament as MP /MLA , they have hardly any reach. and farmers are not only in Punjab and Haryana, in other states who engaged in agriculture practice are also called poor farmers, who neither got benefitted by Green revolution, nor influential
I found debate some how biased towards government there are some concern of farmers should be addressed by our honorable jury but they even not try to touch those point such as who will deal as the mediator because framers are not so well educated some formers may not even know to read and write Hindi also how you handle this situation. Second about we consumer as we have to pay for these good how government control inflation after this because they allow hording of goods until price is not so much high. there are some concern government should have to address them though reforms are good but they are lacking behind moral security of poor farmers as well as consumer
Mr gautam...
Q1) do you think increasing economy from 2 trillian to 3 trillian is really minimise the gap between rich and poor in india...
& if not then who will provide money for educating children of framer /labour's & what about malnutrition/ poor diet problem in India
( #50-55% population)
- think if ur child suffer from above problems
2) u said capitalism in agriculture is always better..... Then I will suggest u to see conditions of farmers in USA after this same reforms they're literally living on subsidies
3) u said about street riots of farmers is not democratic moves... Then think how the agriculture Bills were passed in assemblys..... Now u want discussion on that..
4) u said why farmers will denied opportunity to sell to A, B, C, D E rather than A..
SEE ( acc. to times of India survey)there are 85% farmers which not able to sell their crops just out of their district also
So who will benefit from this...
Those are compatible farmers they are selling there crops outside before this law so dont show policy makers highness here..
Mr Abhay
1) u said people are want to work in corporate jobs / industries ... Think ❓why... Because they are not getting proper return of their efforts... Think ❓why because they can not pay them more because farmers don't know what benefit he will from crops he taken......
2) u said about China agriculture reforms
It was started from rural economy strengthening.. & then they did for big corporation & companies
Mr Anchor..
1) bring some people to defend their side
Don't be biased
Were the bills debated in Parliament? We all have seen how the bills were passed in Rajya Sabha. Was it democratic?
@@gagak1557 please share the lok sabha/rajya sabha debate over that. Otherwise stop your propaganda to divide people BJP IT Cell andh bhakts.
Protest is in need of msp 😭😭 .... there is no Bill which already has msp in context .. the unrest you have created .. is such a good jihad I swear... Bulla's will like your comment ..you are famous . Mr. intellectual
I am sorry but this was a very polarized discussion. "Capitalism is good and socialism isn't"
Statements like these shock me. Yes socialism has crumbled nations but Capitalism isn't very rosy either.
Everything, I mean everything that you have in your life right now is the result of 1991 reforms. IN 91 reforms we junked socialism and embramced capitalism and now we are enjoying the fruits.
China also junked communism in the 80s and embraced capitalism and look where China is! We also could have been successful like Cina if we could have completely liberalized! Our weak government is the reason we are behind China! Learn from China, discard this hate of capitalism. distribution (welfare policies)will come only after wealth is generated and only capitalism generates wealth.
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@@Rabindra_ i will always root for a mixed economy. The greatest Capitalist power of world USA has shocking poverty figures too. Even China has huge gulf between have and have nots. Capitalism isn't the solution to problems. It is knowing what to retain and what to give to the industries.
Will the biggest slum of Asia, in Dharavi develop with Capitalism? If that were the case then it would have happened because Mumbai is a huge industrial driven economy.
LPG worked because of rise in competition. Do we really need competition in every sector. When we are talking about China, to quote Economic Times, 30% of GDP of China is PSU driven.
If Elephants can't dance you teach them how to and don't replace them with Tigers. The best you can do is make both, the tigers and elephant, dance
I am not against opening farming to private markets. All I am against is the statement the guest made in this discussion.
So which communist country is all rosy and dandy ? You have to take a decision and stick with it and cant be dwindling. In 1991 country has taken a decision and we are sticking with it. But, yes we are not pure capitalist type but more of democratic-socialist type of political-economic system .
@@abhijatprogman05 I wrote in my first comment that I agree socialism has crumbled many nations. All I am saying is mixed economy with a vision to get rid of bottlenecks in the governance is the solution. Taxing system can be considered a fine example where govt is working hard to remove bottlenecks and not abandoning it all together.
I am not in favour of socialism but I am also not in favour of Capitalism either.
While I agree with the intentions of these laws and how they're expanding the market for them farmers beyond the APMCs which is a good thing that farmers are getting more choices for selling out their produce to who-so-ever they may seem viable with added benifit of being able to sale anywhere around the nation; I'm still skeptical about these laws' implementation and the expected results because of the general mistrust of this present govt. which is one of the prime reasons of why the farmers are protesting, the controversial procedure followed in the RS Monsoon session to get this law passed raises some more questions and skepticism with regards to these laws. I support the intentions for a step ahead in the direction of us becoming a welfare state but I don't trust this govt. considering its implementation of other drastic steps at bringing reforms in the past. These topics must be debated with all the stakeholders (that includes Farmers too). The Govt. must have talks and clarify its intentions and the laws' ups and downs so as to put a peaceful solution for everyone.
P.S.: I whole-heartedly support the farmers and their moral cause. Feel free to assume what party/ideology I'm siding with because I disregard all of them equally😊.
@aranjan mallick I didn't demonize corporates anywhere I think. They are the job givers in here so why would I do that. Also one of the reasons I'm here watching discussions is to not watch Dhruv Rathee or any of those people. Mistrust is surely in there with the farmers because if they trusted the govt. , there would've been a very small scale protest mainly from the opposition parties because you know how little our opposition is. No doubt everyone is trying to fulfill their own motives in here with these protests but so many people wouldn't be there if they had trust in this govt. I appreciate these reforms and the govt's daring to go with it risking its vote bank. I'm skeptical about its implementation tho. I'd welcome these reforms with open arms because why not?! We can only criticize/praise them for now and that is totally upto what kind of opinion one possesses. We'll wait for them to be implemented and then the results would certainly clear everyone's doubts up. I don't watch or side with any political ideology or inclination because honestly I think no one's that interested in valuing farmer's demands above their own benifits tho these reforms are welcomed since our policy makers I believe are independent of any political pressure but that is not completely true either. That's just my personal opinion and truth shall prevail after all. Thankyou for your thoughts on this tho🙌🏻🌹
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Gautam Chikermane is such a let down..Somebody tell him that is an analytical forum in which various facets are to be explored and not a govt marketing plug to pander to who’s who of the government in power
I always adore Rajya sabha Tv a lot👌
Frank... This is going to reflect bad on your legacy.... Very one sided argument....
Biased discussion.
No one from agriculture sector.
Chikarmane sir for debate to happen govt should take winter session of parliament...
One sided debate it was, moreover debate n deliberation is what farmers wanted initially if im not wrong but untill n unless there is no protest govt never pay heed,
I love rajya sabha ❤️ tv
The spirit of these three farm act is good
Essential commodity act will create a robust rural infra. andvalso promote a food processing industry in India and contract farming act will make agriculture sector more competitive and efficient.. The only thing that gov. Need to follow the spirit of democracy as well and discuss these bills on the floor of parliament which will stop all the rumours among these three act....
Like we are seeing in Bihar. Bihar is full of cold storages build by corporates. You wanted to say this?
@@karanagarwal564 hahahaha
Bihar state has some other provisions regarding farm bills, don't misguide people around,
It's easy to expose hypocrite.
in midst of show respectable FRANK SIR using mobile phone is breach of ethical conduct. hurtful.
Special Discussion on MSP is required
सुबह 9 बजे का बुलेटिन क्यों नहीं आ रहा????
It is better to invite farmers who work in fields in day and night in debate. Panelists seem to be chair borne experts. No use of such debate.
Have you know experts background profile???.... Does becoming an expert excludes his or her background that may comes from farmer profile and with education raised his or her statures
I dont know why your debates are do unidirectional ！！！
all rstv debates are same.
I am not supporting non implementation of farm laws. but indeed these laws need some amendments regarding regultion.
I feel that this is a totally biased discussion. Some farmer group leader or agriculturist must have been there to balance the discussion.
I do agree that the liberalization of agri sector is a good step and it came a bit late. These were at least 30 years late. at least the present govt. must have started deliberations from 2014 itself.
However, I don't feel that the way in which they have been bought in is correct:
1. People might correct me but I'm not sure what was the last big reform which is bought in by following the path of passing an ordinance fist and then passing the bill in the parliament hastily ( even most of the labour laws were passed in after the scrutiny of PCs ). I'm surprised as to why the bills which would affect almost all the farmers directly or indirectly were bought in so hastily.
2. One of the panelist so insensitively commented that amendments must not be made on the street ( street is not the place to debate the laws in the first place ) and must be made after deliberate discussions in the parliament. What I fail to understand is if these laws were deliberately discussed in the parliament and with various stake holders, we would not have arrived into this situation in the first place.
3. Some of the amendments which government agreed to do are so basic and too important. I'm surprised as to why they were not thought of properly in the first place. Points like resolving issues with the SDMs, not allowing states to tax outside APMCs etc would have been corrected if these were referred to the parliamentary committee before passing the laws and all the stakeholders are consulted.
4. One of the panelists said that small and marginal farmers would be benefited by the corporates. I feel that it is actually the other way round. Bigger farmers would have more bargaining power with the corporates. I feel a framework must develop such that the farmers would have a chance to form cooperatives and deal with the corporates as a bigger entity.
So the summary is that the laws are not bad as such. I think the government has not done a great job in gathering the confidence of farmers while passing these laws in the first place.
Farmers of Punjab have been the drivers of green revolution. They would not shy away from driving through reforms as well. But please try to put yourself in the shoes of farmers. Too many changes are happening too fast. First the plans to do away with agri subsidies and fertilizer subsidies and now this. They would be genuinely worried. No farmer would consciously want to strike on the roads in the chilling winters of Delhi if there was no genuine pain.
All they want now is to repeal the laws for time being and gain their confidence before passing them again. This time with proper consultation with all the stake holders at the least. Either the government should do that or convince the farmers for amendments. Anyways it would be good for the country if the impasse is dealt with as soon as possible.
I've been watching RSTV for quite a while now and for the first time ever, I felt it was just another propagandist's show. Neoliberals must be welcome but they must not be the only ones to be invited. Mr. Frank, we expect so much better. Where’s the other side?
2:00 ..What a fudge by VP-ORF, sir frank asked him, " why we need agri reforms ?" and what he responded..Lol......VP-ORF deserves VP-PR TEAM G.O.I.
Truly
Good evening to Frank sir and abhinav sir ,gautham sir
Thank you discuss of agriculture reforms thanks sir
Gautam by your logic, you must stop eating as you are against farmers and farmers produce crops which are eating till now. So please stop eating. If you stop eating, i am promising you we will not use anything made by corporates. Deal?
That's really dumb of you. Are you numb in the skull?
Are you a troll? Your points are such idiotic and rhetoric devoid of any economic sense. First, you should read something basic about economics, start with supply-demand.
Why are people like you so cueless and unafraid and shameless to show their cluelessness in public? At least have some shame if not basic economic knowledge! ARE YOU PREPARING FOR UPSC? Only God can help you!
Yeah eat tracters instead
Fully one sided ...we wanted it's criticism too that here is not happened ..we know a coin has both sides ..here I saw only one side ..we know farm bill is right after some modifications that govt is not doing
Mr Gautam 👎🏻
Modi says m 100% .... Famers say we r 100% .. 🙄 both should see their weak points.. which both sides have equally .. 👍