Josh Pate On Kalen DeBoer's Future At Alabama (Late Kick Cut)
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- Alabama has seen Transfer Portal attrition since Kalen DeBoer was hired, but now some big recruiting wins have changed the tone. Josh Pate responded to the new energy in Tuscaloosa with several thoughts on Late Kick Live Ep 485. Is Kalen DeBoer the right hire at the right time? How will he be able to acclimate to things in the SEC? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Bill Curry, Gene Stallings, Ray Perkins, all had losing records before coming to Alabama, and they all won here, even Mike Dubose won the SEC in 1999. Deboer will win no doubt.
Alabama goes 4-2 in the first half of the season, then goes 6-0 because the DeBoer system starts to click with the players. Bama makes a serious run in the playoff, plays for the national title.
Look at it on paper: A playoff team just hired another playoff team’s head coach. A head coach with a 104-12 win/loss record.
As a Tennessee fan, I recognize this as possibly the best hire they could have made in their situation. He’s gonna be really good
Love your comment.....DeBoer is a winner and an excellent Winning Coach.His team and Coaches loved him.
DeBoer has never had this level of talent to work with. Players love him. Bama will stay elite, no doubt.
Good/ great team? Maybe elite? No
All the talent bolted.
@@mrhankey20 ALL? OK...nope...not at all!
Especially in the short term, I don’t understand why no one brings up the fact that you have Saban coaches players on a roster that didn’t have their memory wiped when Saban retired and you’re combining that with new winning philosophies and coaching from a coach who also maximized talent a year prior. It’s actually not out of the realm of possibilities that this could be the best Bama team in years.
If he makes the playoff regularly and wins one national championship, it will be a success.
The fan base needs to understand that. If they do, it'll be fine. If they don't, they're in for a long string of "failed" hires.
Can't wait till there are FOURTEEN playoff teams so we can see a 7-5 team get in lol
@@Educated2Extinction "The fan base" covers a wide group with many differing opinions. Interesting how you. and the majority of others paint with a wide brush.
@@DanWatchesYoutub1000 Math isn't your friend, is it? Not a single 5 loss team made the top 25 last season. Expanding to 14 would have added a couple of 3 loss teams.
@@DanWatchesYoutub1000 I know it's difficult to stick to the main subject, but at least try.
The part about the SEC not knowing about Kalen DeBoer is the key part of this conversation which is fascinating…
I genuinely believe Coach DeBoer is one of those guys who loves a challenge, shutting up critics and (wait for it) Letting All Naysayers Know who he is.
Roll Tide.
I agree brother. RTR. I'm excited about what Alabama can still be. Bama will always be Bama.
That's exactly what Mike Shula said
@@ocpofficialrep7026no it isn’t. Mike Shula had NEVER been a head coach or even a successful Coordinator. Deboer has been wildly successful at both and actually has NEVER failed to improve the situation at every single stop.
@j.akelly9775 he has lost as many games as Mike Shula if not more. We are fucked
@@ocpofficialrep7026 Clearly you aren't a Bama fan, just some scrub in here to try and project doom.
Kalen Deboer's record, his entire career as a coach, is 104-12.
You don't just "luck" into that kind of result. It means you know what you are doing.
He's off to a great start, I think he's going to surprise everybody with how good he's going to be
Agreed JP. Folks are gonna take shots at Bama...just because it's Bama. You know, you lose by 7 in overtime in the playoff, it's gonna be made out like you lost by 50 to a losing team. Just look at how the twitterheads made a big deal out of that 4th Qtr conditioning clip. To this day, I still don't understand how/why that went viral, outside a person wanting attention because Bama is in their head more than their own team. We'll most definitely see how this season goes for sure.
Only Bama can bring any and everything out of the woodwork when Bama football is the subject, and even when it’s not the subject. It’s Alabama. People love it, others hate it (I find that a strong word but it’s probably true). It rankles some people. Every emotion associated with CFB comes into play with Alabama football. That’s been the case at least since I’ve been a fan, a little Bear loving Bama fan. It’s been longer than that though, and it’s just because it’s Bama. We set the gold standard. You can go out of the country and people everywhere know “Roll Tide,” and it doesn’t matter where you are. They know football, the Bear, Saban, the b&w houndstooth, the Crimson and White uniforms that have never changed - they know everything. Steely Dan even put ‘Crimson Tide’ in a song, one that everybody knows and loves, most likely. Alabama gets attention everywhere. It’s ALABAMA.
Roll Tide 🐘🏈
When Washington fired Jimmy Lake and the coaching search began, the fans wanted either the Iowa State coach or Baylor coach. And Jen Cohen the Ad went after them hard, but they turned her down. Chris Petersen told her to look at kalen DeBoer down at Fresno State. So she hired him and all he did was expose the rest of college football to what is considered a top 5 coach. Can Kalen DeBoer win big at Bama? Can a bear sh** in the woods? Football is football... to a genius it's how you end up with Kalen's win loss record. Keep questioning Josh. LOL
DeBoer will win at Alabama... he wins everywhere he goes, has a great track record.
North Dakota Sisters of the Poor doesn’t count.
Yeah well Washington does.
@litedawg keep hating. Can't imagine why you'd be sarcastic a-hole with a username ending in "dawg". Keep licking Kirby's boots my boy. Wasnt all that long ago every bulldog fan was saying Kirby couldn't get it done. Took Alabama's 2 best receivers going down to get over that hump.
@@litedawghe out schemed, out coached, and beat sark and Lanning twice with 2 and 3 stars when they had 4 and 5 stars and got Washington to a national title his 2nd year and lost to the champ who had 5th and 6th year 5 star seniors. I’d say that’s pretty damn impressive
@@paulshears5202 whatever works for you. The pressure he will be under at Bama won’t compare to the zero pressure he was under at Washington.
As a Bama Fan, I say to all the naysayers wanting Kalen to fail what Mee Maw always told me, "Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which hand fills up faster". RTR
I think this season will be huge for recruiting going forward.
If Alabama continues to win, recruits will feel like Kalen DeBoer was the right choice and they’ll want to play for him while continuing to keep the Alabama standard.
Did everyone not see the determination, the will, the grit on, for the most part, this same team last year. Sure we lost a couple of important pieces but the pieces behind them are going to fit in like they go there. They'll take a lump or two, they all do, but they'll live.
Nick Saban still has an office at Alabama and an open line to the coaching staff!! Bama's gonna be Bama!! ROLL DAM TIDE!!!!!
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Bama makes the natty, but will be an underdog to win it.
I think there are going to be a lot of people who know what their foot tastes like come January. You have a bunch of 4-5 star players who have all been coached by Saban, who are now being introduced to new and proven concepts with an intense coach and staff who are quite possibly better than the overall Alabama staff was last year. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Bama makes a deep CFP run and is a threat to win the National Championship their first year out.
To answer your question though, I say 10+ regular season wins, an offense that is regularly in the 40-50 point range, any loss has to be a close loss, and a top 10 recruiting class. If all that happens, it will prove to everyone that DeBoer is for real. However I think he will far exceed that.
Success will always be measured at Alabama by level of competition for conference titles and the pursuit of National Championships. Year 1 success for Deboer is a playoff berth and a top 10 recruiting class. Courtney Morgan, Eron Hodges, and others will be instrumental in accomplishing this.
DeBoer is a born winner and recruiter we will be fine maybe not make the playoffs but we will possibly play in a new year's 6 bowl!
if we're talking year one for success or not I think a 10 win season is a big success. Alabama plays likely #1 UGA and likely top 15 LSU, Tennessee, Missouri, Oklahoma, and let's not forget about auburn. That would be going 4-2 against the potential top 15 and would very likely put alabama in to the playoff. 11-1 is overachieving, 12-0 and people will lose their minds. Recruiting wise, I think he'll need to regularly be in the top 10-15 range to be considered a success with a reprieve on year 1 (at least from me). Roll tide and wish him massive success!
funny pair of stats about Bama I noticed in this video: they have their lowest win total in 17 years, and still the 5th best odds to win the CFP
It's going to be harder for DeBoer and any other SEC coach to win at scale Saban did for several reasons:
1- Addition of Texas and Oklahoma
2- Schools other than Bama are starting to recruit at elite Saban level or closing in, i.e. Georgia, Texas, etc., and Auburn just had its best recruiting in years with solid top 10 class.
3- Transfer portal and NIL, nuff said.
4- Facilities. Bama under Saban built up best facilities in nation, other SEC schools decided to pay up and have closed gap, catching up to Bama.
IMO one big ace up sleeve Bama has always had under Saban is its outstanding graduation, APR rate, usually ranking in top 2 in SEC and top 3 or 4 nationally. I think this past year Bama was ranked number one in SEC. This aspect of program will always be a draw to many recruits and parents. But with NIL money, who knows now.
The dude changing his mind has to be Brandon Walker 😂
People who think Alabama will take a step back paid no attention to the coaching hires at Alabama post Bear Bryant. None of those coaches were proven winners until they went out and got Nick Saban. Gene Stallings had a losing record as a HC prior to coaching at Alabama. DeBoer is an elite coach so him winning at Alabama is inevitable. He will get better players and more of them than he did at Washington. They have the best facilities in the country etc.
Go buckeyes...that said I think he's gonna do great. Give the man some time. I think your gonna be surprised. I like the guy.
I do too. We did big with this hire. We’re excited! RTR 🐘🏈
DeBoer already has proven that he can be a very good coach.....when in the right place at the right time. We don't know yet whether the chemistry will work well at Alabama. Watch DeBoer's intro speech when he arrived here, then go back and watch Saban's. Very different.
Wishing him total success, But I'm not betting on it, one way or the other.
Yes
BAMA is not going anywhere, DeBoer will take this talent/team to a higher level than most predict. I could see them in the final 4. Do you see all the trolling by other SEC teams? They're still scared. Roll Tide Roll.
Nobody is scared of DeBoer. Bama man entitlement is real
I am a BAMA fan and the 1 thing I worry about is defense. He is not known for defense. The rules today is still making it so hard to play defense especially elite defense. Hope he focuses on getting a elite defense to go with the scoring. Just my opinion. ROLL TIDE!!!
Lay off the meth doofus. Kirby is the new king now. DeBoer doesn’t scare anybody. Dynasty canceled.
I don’t think they will make top 10 much less top 4
Trust me nobody is scared, everyone just knows Alabama about to take a bigggggg step back for a longggg time.
There is still a lot of talent and the guy is an underrated coach. I can't wait to see them cry!
His, staff is so much better. Than, coach Saban. His offensive is going to be a hit.
@@VenomZNoHope
Laugh while you can, Scooter.
Love your insights. I truly believe Bama will make the playoffs and WILL NOT lost three games. Yes because I am a Bama, but also because we are loaded with talent. Replaced the ones who hit the road and are hungry. We are loaded for bear and are going hunting. Milroe worries me though.
Why does Milroe worry you?
Did you not watch who was the QB from our loss to Texas .Milroe, everyone is really making me mad.That kid got it together and won the next freaking 9 SEC games which includes the SEC Championship against Georgia with a 29-2 record and 2 National Championships.Were y'all watching the same games I was.He scored 4 TDs one game,he scored 3 another game, he motivated his team and was a fantastic LEADER for the team that must we be reminded won and almost made it to the National Championship game.
Y'all please stop trashing Jalen.
Let's get honest Jalen didn't lose that Michigan game.....Seth McLauglin threw that damn game because he already knew he was leaving.Damn snake in the grass.
Come on let's get honest here.He snaps were horrible and Jalen did his best to cover for his ass .The O line sucked and let him be blitzed too many times
That's on them not the QB.He is supposed to be protected by his O line ...that's football 101.
So before y'all trash or doubt Jalen Milroe,let's look at this past season.Also,this kid has heart , toughness, perseverance and is a damn good leader.
He stayed at Alabama when many bailed.These new Coaches need to give him his respect and he paid his dues.
Love that kid.
If they can score more points than the other teams - I think they’ll win.
Of course. Any good coach has won big there. Even Gene Stallings who wasn’t good a coach prior won a championship at Alabama and almost repeated.
I believe that a successful season is winning against at least 2 upper SEC games and/or being very competitive min those games (one score loss). Everything else is gravy. Bama has the talent. I agree that the overall coaching staff is a step up (support staff, not HC)nover the last 3-4 years. I have the same feeling that I had before last season... Bama could win it all if they are laser focused or they could lose 3-4 games. I believe that in the long run... they will be fine. But they will be in Geofgias' shadow for a couple of years.
I would say consistent play vice get up for
One game a year.
0:37 a.k.a. the Motley Fool strategy
That's still a thing?
He didn’t recruit at Washington do not sure if he can do it at Alabama
It’s Alabama. Of course he’ll be able to recruit. Saban sure did, and he’d had one SEC stop in his career. I remember people saying he’d never fit at Alabama. We were going to “get rid of him by year two.” We see how that worked out.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652respectfully, I dont remember anyone saying he wont fit in at bama. He was already a pretty high profile coach by then, and won a natty with an SEC team.
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Sorry, didn’t think I implied that you said that. I made it as an aside, so to speak, just in making a point. Anybody can recruit at Alabama. It’s a rich environment for recruiting. But these days it’s nationwide, and there are kids who know they want to play at Alabama from peewee football. Saban recruited nationwide because of what he was doing in football and he knew how to recruit. Saban had an inate ability in that department. But in the same vein, as far as a rich recruiting culture, DeBoer is going to have the same opportunities and frankly, I think people are going to be surprised at his success here. It’s a two-way opportunity each way. We got a great hire, and DeBoer made a fantastic career move. I think that’s being overlooked by way too many people. Imo, anyway.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 yeah but saban was a great people person plus DeBoer not staying long I think he wants to be a nfl coach and not worry about nil and all that stuff 98% of his husky players where all ready on the team when they hired him
@@ericschoenbeck3350
Maybe you’re overthinking and you want to add something that’s not there (personally you “think he wants to be an NFL coach”). Why would you think that? He wants success. He got the job offer that will give him that and he took it.
Saban brought in Kiffin because he saw the writing on the wall. Any more questions on hiring outside the SEC?
Yes, but Lame Train Kiffin was in the SEC (Tennessee) before he went to USC. Him and his Daddy robbed and stole from UT when he left. And then he got fired buy USC. He also got fired by the Raiders. BTW, Lame Train also SCREWED Bama by vacating Bama in the middle of the playoffs.
@@jonathonwilliamson9879 Completely forgot about the year at Tenn.
@@Educated2Extinction what did I forget. I mentioned Tennessee first off.
@@jonathonwilliamson9879 I forgot.
@@jonathonwilliamson9879 I forgot Tenn.
Saban didn’t coach in the South before LSU. Won a nattie.
Can you recruit and develop elite talent? Can you create an environment of mental toughness?
It's not just Mack or Milroe at QB, Josh. Don't sleep on Ty Simpson or Dylan Lonergan in this QB battle. They didn't stay here to sit on the bench.
I think that “LANK” became a part of what UA football team is trying to prove at the right time to drive home what the team, along with CKD is trying/doing. New head coach? No problem! We are still out to “let all naysayers know”
Roll🐘Tide. All day,every day…….
has one of the best rosters in football, he better win.
Not anymore- since the ruling against the NCAA on NIL - no one needs connections or to l Yw anyone to recruit the SEC - all you need is a checkbook- players go to the highest bidder from now on
I think its funny that people will claim to know alot about football but will predict Deboer wont be successful after he took a team of mostly 3 stars to the national championship. Now you think Bama will have a 8 win season with 4 and 5 stars. 😂
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He will be just fine! Bama fans need to be patient. It will take 3 to 4 years before we truly know.
I think he’s gonna shock the world in the first 2 years at Bama!!
Bama fans are not patient. They will demand Kalen to be saban 2.0. And when he fails to meet those expectations, they’ll want him fired. 8 wins isnt 12. 9 wins isnt 13. They won’t be satisfied with that. They’re spoiled and think they are entitled to wins.
@@2xxNorMacKxx2I like to think we earn wins. And I think we can earn more. Can't say I remember anyone giving any wins to us. Maybe you are the one who thinks we're just entitled to wins.
@@2xxNorMacKxx2
Actually, no. We’re not known for hiring and firing at regular intervals. That would be the other schools.
@@ckennedy309 when Bama loses, y’all burn the world down. If y’all don’t win by 40 points y’all freak out. It’s like a toddler not getting their way so they throw a fit. So yes y’all are spoiled and feel entitled to wins.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 But the difference now is y’all have experienced the GOAT success. And you won’t wanna lose that success. So you will expect every coach from now on to meet that same standard. And when he doesn’t you’ll fire him. Congratulations. Alabama has now entered the world of hiring and firing every few years
As long as Saban is around to maintain the culture, Alabama will adjust and be ok. But Alabama is ONLY measured by Championships
Kalen Deboer is already 2-0 against Steve Sarkisian
And Dan Lanning
@@joshberry66 Kalen Deboer is 3-0 against Dan Lenning
@@joshberry66 3-0 against Lanning
Bama won’t be the same but they’ll be fine. 10-2 this year
If we win 10 regular season games and maybe win the SEC Championship then I’m happy and I think we will be just fine
Make the playoffs! ROLL TIDE!!! L.A.N.K.!!!
All I know is it is about time a true playoff is at hand. It is crazy some of the national championships some teams claim while other deserving teams get hosed.
Case in point Bama claiming the 1941 national championship. They do realize just because a New York writer decided a two loss, third place team in the sec that year, ranked 20th in the final ap poll that it does not make it so. Talk sbout lack of integrity.
College football has finally joined the rest of the sports world. The first true national champion will be crowned in 2024. I am more than psyched...
The one (now) SEC team that knows Kalen DeBoer is 0-2 against him. 🤘⬇
Sark still going have hard time beating Deboer
Deboer is 2-0 against sark
@@HunterRay-23
That’s in the original comment.
A playoff team with tones of talent just hired a playoff coach with good talent.. come on yall. Alabama is 10plus wins for along time
Under Saban since 2008 Alabama has lost more than 2 games in a season how many times?
Success next season is beating Auburn, LSU and Tennessee. Oklahoma and Georgia wins would be great, but gotta whip those first three. Roll Tide.
Been a Bama fan for 20 years. I am highly doubtful. He's a northerner who has no reference to southern football. He has 2 years to take us to title game or get rid of him. He did well at Washington because there is no pressure. Bama is a different animal.
Spoken like a typical Bama fan. But I give you props for actually saying what all Bama fans are scared to say.
I mean, if he doesn't get the job done they'll find a coach who will 🤷♂️ I don't think being "from the South" is as big a deal as it used to be.
He needs to prove on the recruiting path in the SEC. He wasn’t recruiting amazingly at Washington and you can attribute that to a lesser prestige in program. He if can’t get it done in Alabama though that’s definitely worrisome.
The thing that has encourage for me is that he's already on the recruiting trail and he's not being Bryan Harsin to where he hates recruiting.
To be honest i dont think he upgraded his staff. He got his original staff which left. Big difference. Short term kalen deboer struggles, long term kalen deboer doesn't exist.
Also, newsflash, following an elite head coach isn’t an impossible task. You can succeed doing so. Kirby followed Mark Richt who won ten games pretty consistently at a Georgia program that really never had great natty expectations. Ryan Day follows Urban Meyer and has lost 8 games since. Lincoln Riley followed Stoops and had many great season, playoffs made and two heismans. Les Miles followed Saban at LSU and won a natty and made another. Meyer followed Spurrier a few years later and brought Florida to new heights, without ever coaching in the SEC. Meyer followed Tressel after a year and took Ohio State to a natty. Just because you followed a great doesn’t doesn’t mean you can’t succeed. Saban success the past three seasons is not insurmountable. In fact, you can easily argue DeBoer himself has had more success the last two seasons that Saban has. Both 11-2 in 2022, 14-1 vs 12-2 in 2023 with KDB beating Texas in Nola and being up comfortably late in the fourth, and Saban losing by ten at home.
Make the play off and win the first game.
Pretty simple honestly. All that has to happen is Jalen Milroe has to win the heisman and Bama has to win the national championship. Nothing crazy
He will win but I don't think the first year will be like normal Alabama football best case Deboer will go 10-2 worst case 8-4 nightmare case he goes 6-6, personally I think he will go 9-3 i can see them group a couple of games and i don't see them beating Georgia. in two year he will average 10-2 or 11-1 seasons without a doubt.
I think Bama will be in the SEC champ game
@@VenomZNoHope so what two teams then Vinny?
DeBeor is welcome to OU’s special teams coach. They were a disaster last year. Have fun with that, Bama!
The one argument you can make with this Alabama team is how defense will do? We know he can make a lot of offensive plays from his time in Washington. But can their defense make the plays necessary to help them win some games? That’s the big question for me
The players, talent, and memory weren’t wiped from them when Saban retired. It’s also culture, geography, access of defensive talent that make Alabama at a base level better at the defensive end of the spectrum. It really shouldn’t be a worry.
We do have a lot of youth in places, but they're skilled. I'm sure they'll take a few lumps but that's a right of passage. The scheme and how aggressive it will or won't be will be interesting to see.
Sure Alabama can win, as long as they open up the checkbook and buy the best players in this new unregulated pay for play professional football league that has been created with this ruling against the NCAA - the checkbook is what’s going to win championships in the future, recruiting doesn’t matter any more, having SEC ties doesn’t matter, it’s just about the bottom dollar. if you can buy the best players in a given year you can win a national championship - that’s all that really matters from here on out.
Alabama goes 4-2 in the first half of the season, then goes 6-0 because the DeBoer system starts to click with the players. Bama makes a serious run in the playoff, plays for the national title.
Beating UGA at home would send a clear message...we all have that game circled. UGA is now the "Supposed" face of CFB...but no one but Josh gave us a shot in hell last year and we dominated that game. The score didn't reflect the domination. We beat UGA at home, and I will run to this page to watch the vid. You may need to make a 20 minute vid for that...and please include the faces of sad UGA fans...similar to the ones we saw in Atlanta last year...I love the way they pounded their chest when Saban retired...as if they somehow now are the top program. Last I checked Michigan won the natty and UGA played in the Vegan Cheese Bowl.
People look at me like I am crazy when I say their toughest game will be auburn. Georgia will not have enough Intel, LSU has to many cracks , and Hugh Freeze will have almost an entire season of film and I will not sell that gentleman short. I disliked Auburn making a solid hire but they did
I really believe they will beat Georgia and everyone’s perspective on Alabama will change.
I’m a “always won” bama fan. But I think we can get a 8 win season. This year will be “bad” if it’s 6 wins. But I really wish bama fans would give him time. I pray the students there feel disrespected. And I promise it’s gone be funnnnnnyyyyy when we end up top 4…… oh shit I mean twelve 👀 oh yeah…. THE TIDE IS RISING BABAYYYYY
Bama is predicted to go 10-2 this year.
Why is everybody smarter than alabama coach I am sure he has coached more games than some of the people that comments
His goal is to coach in the NFL, so of course he'll be very successful.
It all depends on what you describe as winning means. Will Bama have a winning schedule yes. Bama go to the national championship. Probably not.
Debore's UW team would not have been 13-0 in the SEC last year i don't think. He won several close games that would have been losses in the SEC. He's getting ready for a different kind of grind. He may do well i admit but chances are high he is no Saban. Nobody is. Going to be interesting.
My minimum for DeBoer, first season? Beat Tennessee and Auburn and make the 12 team playoff.
Hiring bill Obrien was sabans worst mistake by far.
How many years are you giving him.
3. The first year will be the “eh just give him time” year. The second will consist of several loses and that won’t sit well with the fans. The third year, literally every loss, every incomplete pass, every missed tackle, every THING that goes wrong, the fans will scream and whine and eat at Kalen more and more. And after the third year of 8-4 or 9-3, they’ll fire him. They’re Bama fans. They really think they’re entitled to wins. And if they don’t get them they’ll throw a bitch fit. Like when you take someone off of drugs right away. There’s nasty side effects. And trust me, football success is a hell of a drug.
@@2xxNorMacKxx2 Is it just me or are you describing a place you're familiar with.
@@ckennedy309No it's just you. He's talking sense. This is how things actually happen. Bama is going to slip some and they won't be understanding in bama town. 😊
@@ruckanitepreacher5618No, he's describing something he's familiar with, as it turns out. He's an Arkansas fan, so as loyal as that base is they just haven't hit on the right guy yet. I had hopes for their current coach but I don't know. Damn shame Petrino screwed up.😐
DeBoer works really hard - unlike my uncle Leo. And is really smart - Again, unlike my uncle Leo. Sorry uncle Leo, but you know your shortcomings.
You also thought Scott Frost would be successful at Nebraska … point being … We’ll See. Long way to go.
That's a fact. I just knew he would be great. It happens and it happens a lot.
It’s all about recruiting. Can the dude bring in top players? We shall see
Recruiting matters yes. But Saban himself said he wasn’t good at coaching up lower level talent. It was imperative to his success that he always brought in 5 stars. Kalen Deboer has proven with Washington he possesses the ability Saban don’t by coaching up lesser talent. He doesn’t have to bring in top 3 recruiting classes. If he can bring in top 10 or top 12 recruiting classes Alabama isn’t going anywhere. And if he does pull in top 3 classes, well I’d say it’s a safe bet Alabama most definitely will still be pissing off the country
@@paulshears5202 what Saban meant when he said that was that players win games not coaches. It’s no secret that the team with the best players usually wins the most games. Washington was not the most talented team in the world but they had more players invited to the NFL Combine than Alabama or Georgia.
@@paulshears5202 Look what he had at Washington. Studs on offense including Penix and top receivers. Even with that They should have lost 3 to 4 games last year but got lucky. Don’t be fooled my friend. It’s all about recruiting. I believe they also had the top oline winning the Joe Moore award. He didn’t coach up anybody. They were fortunate last year but and even more fortunate Michigan didn’t win by 30. The portal was good to him but he had crazy talent on offense. They will probably have 3 first round draft picks this year. You’re correct Jake Kelly.
@@Ndfourlife I didn’t say recruiting didn’t matter. It obviously does. I’m just stating if Deboer can pull in top 10 or 12 classes every year, it won’t be the same Alabama as it was under Saban. But will still be relevant and taken as a threat, kind of like Kiffin and Ole Miss. Alabama is not just going to fall off unless Deboer is an absolute trash recruiter. But with the resources, tools, facilities that the university and Saban has provided and handed over, he shouldn’t be trash in this area
@@paulshears5202 You are 100% correct. But Bama fans are in for a rude awakening if they are like Kiffin. Kiffin hasn’t won anything and Bama has owned college football under Sabin for many years. It’s absolutely amazing Sabin’s history at Bama. No one can follow that. And it all starts with recruiting. Bama finishes 1 or 2 every year in recruiting under Sabin. Yes, the dude is a solid coach but we shall see if he can recruit. Downs, only one player but was a huge blow and all the others as well. At least, you got reed of Rees.
Josh is pretty good..except when he's slurping bama😮
What do you want him to say, Fuckstick?? You want him to disingenuously say they're gonna suck?
Penix - seems to me - largely - enabled him the success he had at W ? -- His QB play is a rare event in CFB and is not likely repeated many seasons @ Bama !?! -- -- -- So - in my mind it simply remains to be seen - if - he can provide enough W's to keep the fan base happy ?!? 🤔 Georgia is 100% still there ! Texas is ever so close to being 'back' ? LSU has talent. OU will be showing up eventually ? ........and so it goes. - - - BAMA w/o Saban = ???
RIght. Bama without Saban, Not as good. Period.
How many 2 loss seasons will DeBoer have?
Id be totally ok with 2 losses, as long as they are not of the embarrassing fashion. I understand hes got to be given time to get thisng his way and replace the exodus of players that happened bc of the NIL and the retirement.
Saban lost two games for the last three years straight and this year’s schedule is much tougher than any of those years.
@@j.akelly9775Saban also didn't lose that many players. But we'll be fine
@@ckennedy309 we lost 9 players since Saban left and have gained 6, that’s a total loss of 3 players. We have more returning players with significant playing time than we had last season.
@@j.akelly9775But the secondary will be young. I mean I know we are bringing guys in but I'm not sure how much playing time they've had.
@@ckennedy309 I’m definitely concerned about the corner position as it stands now. I would be pretty surprised if they don’t bring in 2-3 secondary guys from the spring portal.
Na Josh I think you’re trying to play damage control. They going 8-4 this year. You don’t lose your coach and players and do not have a few (1-3) struggle years.
Anyone else you’d be saying the same thing
Year 1 Success is win 10 and one playoff game. That’s his B+ / A- year.
Predicting DeBoer’s success has to happen in two phases: with and without Saban’s players. DeBoer has won everywhere he’s been with all different levels of talent, and has taken a lesser talented team to the national championship, beating a team Bama couldn’t to do it. He’s done so without ever having his roster filled with players he recruited, and he’s interiting the best roster in CFB. He’ll win and he’ll win a lot in the first 2-3 years. How well he does in that time, either 9-10 wins good or making a playoff run good, will determine the rest. Momentum will help his recruiting adjustment down the line, but DeBoer needs to at least overpreform this season to prove to elite recruits he makes Bama worth playing for without Saban.
DeBoer hasn’t been the best recruiter, although his proof of concept hasn’t really been very evident up until this previous season. At the end of the day, you can be a good recruiter or a bad one, but one thing is a better sell to a player than anything else, and that’s winning games. I don’t believe Saban was just the best used-car salesmen ever, he told players they would win and make the leauge if they played for him and dammit he was right. DeBoer has to win to do that. Don’t think too hard about it, DeBeor is a great coach with a top-roster, he can absolutely compete with the best of them this year if all goes according to plan. If he does, whether he can channel that momentum to recruiting will be the bigger question.
SEC Championship Contenders
I Define a successful season as........playoffs?????
Deboer did beat Texas
I think he will be successful, but will he be successful enough for that fan base
Hopefully not because it adds more drama lol
He'll be okay with two losses
RTR
Bama will be down for a while. Probably not Tennessee or Florida years and years down, more like a year like Ole Miss or Missouri had last year. I'll take that for now. The insane number 1 recruiting class every year and NC every other year was not going to go on forever.
Bama with out Saint Nick ? I say they don't recruit as well. Things are bound to go down hill.
Bama is in rhe rear view mirror. Georgia is what's ahead.
Bama dominated GA the last time they played, SEC championship game. I guess you missed that game.
@@YELLOWLEAF205if you call 3 points “domination” you should probably stop watching football
If they are in front, they are in danger of becoming speed bumps... again
Bama dominated Georgia the exact same way Michigan dominated Bama(and everone else). Bama pushed Georgia around on both lines of scrimmage, the score was not representative of that fact.
@@scottsingleton2951 another way of putting it is despite Georgia playing sloppy, and Bama being on top of their game, you only beat us by 3 points. If you watched any other Georgia games in 2023, you know very well that an even slightly more disciplined georgia would’ve beaten Alabama that day. Two can play the “not representative of the real thing” game.
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