@@romineblox0115 Ah damn so that's the problem. Is the beginning cutscene with Shadow on the Ark also CGI? I hope these soundtracks are in the official release.
Is anyone else gonna point out the irony in the fact that people were afraid that the level design in this game was gonna be as bad as Forces, only for them to use a level from that game and actually end up redeeming it?
People all this time have been complaining about Sonic games having "Forces level design" only for them to make the Forces level one of the best in the game lmao
It is still mostly a straight line, honestly. It just has enemies, obstacles, and alternate paths along the way that require you to actually engage with the game's mechanics on a deeper level than just "boost -> homing attack chain -> boost some more", which is the real difference.
@MrGojira95 this makes no sense. The improvement upon sunset heights should give you a better appreciation for the world in sonic forces much like p-06 did for sonic 06. At least this was actually made by sonic team who improved it unlike Sonic 06.
The fact they redeemed this level and combined park avenue,enemy territory,ghost town,and base sunset heights into 2 acts really proved that they had a good idea that just fell short of a few gimmicks they fucking made the is stage so damn good that it made me think I was playing forced Overclocked
@@matitheanimator Ehhhh. The levels left a lot to be desired and the story was okay at best. It's not horrendously bad like Boom or 06, hell I still had fun with it, but there was a lot they could've done to make it better imo
Blame SEGA for pushing Sonic Team to get that game out for Q4 sales... Izuka actually had to beg SEGA for an extension on Sonic Frontiers. And that game went on to become the biggest success 3D Sonic has had in a long while. Sonic x Shadow Generations could've been released exactly a year after Sonic Frontiers, but instead SEGA let Sonic Team have their time with this one. Look how that turned out. Hopefully SEGA now realizes the biggest mistake they made with Sonic for nearly two decades. 😂
Sonic stages (including Sunset Heights) in Forces is always a mix of guitars and synths going back and forth during the melody, and composition wise it’s very reminiscent of Sonic Runners. You probably dismiss the guitars entirely cuz most of the time they’re the backing instrument for the synths while occasionally became the melody in some parts of the track. Or it’s cuz Forces is very synth heavy already with the Avatar and Classic Sonic’s tracks, so everything kinda blurs out a bit more This version just amplifies the guitar more with a heavier tone, and a more fitting synth to go with that guitar. What I really like abt the original is that it always had a melancholy vibe under all the energetic beats, and this version retains that vibe but has way more going on in its composition. Or it just sounds edgier lol
Eh, normally I’d agree with you but the original Sunset Heights was one of the best tracks from Forces. I don’t love the Forces synth in general, but this theme used it to excellent effect. The piercing synth melody from the original was supposed to create a jarring contrast to the melancholic guitar chords and piano hits in the back. It sells this idea of a rebellious force trying to push back against fate, which is exactly what’s going on in this stage, as the rebellion mounts its counterattack against the Eggman Empire (the music even conveys this much better than the actual story lol). The remix loses some of that, and I think it ends up very slightly weaker as a result. The drop at 0:47 especially doesn’t hit as hard, where the synth is supposed to kick in and really go ham. Although, to be fair, the synth really represented Sonic’s struggles. The increased prevalence of the electric guitar and the change in synth tone definitely makes sense now that Shadow is the main protagonist.
Judging by the heavy usage of the Adventure guitars, it seems Jun Senoue was involved in this remix. They're really giving all they got to make the Act 1s feel like Adventure stages huh?
Imagine they pulled a Xenoverse two with this stage specifically. Like imagine if you have somic forces save data your custom character or something made a cameo appearance in a short cutscene mid-stage.
This banger sounds just slightly different in all the right ways. I already think the original slapped (the synth wasn't THAT harsh) and now, they made the synth a bit softer, and that changes basically everything. This ripper is goddamn proof that Forces could've been something special if given a bit more time to cook and shows that it had a soul.
The added guitar and vastly improved synths make this song sound so much better! This is what Sonic Forces' OST could have sounded like if Sega hadn't forced this game to be out by the holidays and barely gave Sonic Team any budget to work with.
As someone who's never played forces, I'm so glad it was that Shadow generations that introduced me to this epic song, this sounds so much better and completed compared to the original! Possibly my fav song of the game! Rock on shadow! 😎
This game fixed forces by doing one thing They didnt even need to change sunset heights, it was already okay layout wise, but they completely fixed it just by making the desth egg robots interact with the stage There were dozens in forces but they were never used except for 1 quick time even before metal sonic that feels forced and forgettable Forces didnt utilize any of its setpeices, but making the massive death egg robots be a psrt of the actual level here fixed it, overhauling the level design was just the cherry on top, and forces already had amazing music Edit: okay i may have made a mistake, i said sunset heights was okay at best, i may have meant park avanue, forces is so forgettable i cant remember which one was the straight line)
IMO, forces was bad for 3 reasons, level design and writing are the first 2.... The third isnt talked about much, but i wholeheartedly believe a big reason forces flopped was because of the lack of that modern sonic charm, the little things that make sonic levels/stories memorable and immersive. in Rooftop Run you scale and jump off a giant clock tower, in Asteroid coaster they have you Literally attack asteroids to get on roller coasters. the only parts of forces i can remember are, Null Space, the Final Boss, and for some reason the snake that eats you in Silent Forest... theres very little immersion or even a reason to remember the gameplay because of the lack of charm. im really glad Sunset Heights got a second chance AND the charm/appeal it deserved.
I think forces had a bit of that charm Null space and the snake are two big ones Jumping on the ships in egg gate tried to be similar to that charm but kinda flopped But having a death egg robot interact with the stages like this would've been amazing And forces story was really the biggest thing for the fact that it could've been great but wasn't The gameplay also sucked and it took me under 3 hours to S rank every stage in it but I would've been fine with that if the story was good The whole war thing was a good idea but just wasn't utilized properly, and I really hope we get a full remake of this game on the switch 2 or whatever the next console is They could easily take all the preexisting levels, slightly change a few, then extend them a bit Keep the story but rewrite the script a bit And then maybe add a couple new levels and bosses, like one at the start so they don't find out sonics alive 5 seconds after hes presumed dead And a chaos bossfight
Honestly bro I feel like after this game, forces needs a remake(not a remaster) or at least a sequel. I feel like since Sonic Team knows what they are doing, they could pull it off very well. I have lots of faith in them that if they try hard enough, they can redeem forces. This also comes from a guy who somehow enjoyed it too lol
The beginning sounds so heroic, no wonder the theme is so catchy. The level design is nicely polished in this one and its actually really fun. It must have Shadow ponder how the hell Eggman did managed to succeed in his world domination at some point.
@@samuelkibunda6960Didn’t stop a certain someone else from showing up despite being erased from the timeline. Besides, I’d pay to see Infinite getting pissed because the guy who beat him up and called him weak doesn’t even remember him (at least from his perspective)
hold up ARE THEY USING THOSE CLASSIC SYNTHS THEY KEEP TRYING WITH JUN'S CLASSIC SONGS? BUT AWESOME!??!?! This song is great and makes me wonder what forces COULD have been, what if it had been the redemption for sonic back then? If only...
I wonder if Shadow's presence in Sunset Heights might cause an anomaly to that era that the resistance saw Shadow sightings in Sunset Heights (specifically Amy's dialogue in Forces; "Shadow has been sighted! Apparently, he's travelling above the city at high speed."). So what Amy saw might be Gens Shadow starting Sunset Heights. Then for Chaos Island, there were no dialogue or anomaly that might affect Frontiers's story other than the volcano erupted (Sonic was probably there when that happened). But man. Would be great if Gens Shadow meet Forces Shadow and becoming a boss on that, as well as Infinite, mistaken Gens Shadow as his illusions or whatnot. The same goes to Frontiers Sonic fighting Gens Shadow with his Doom powers. That would be an excuse to not have our perspective to the Shadow rival fight. Seeing Frontiers Sonic full power vs Gens Shadow full power. But unfortunately, that won't happen anytime and probably Sonic Team added these two because Forces and Frontiers are HE2 levels and Shadow Generations is running in HE2.
@@strangelynormal9561 Technically they are, since classic crisis city and modern crisis city feature the fire tornado, and the iblis creatures, meaning Future Iblis was still roaming around Crisis City and not sealed in blaze yet.
@@FluppietheRockruffFanPeople seem to forget Crisis City was in OG Gens, that's a level taken directly from the future, more specifically Silver's future, so how is Sunset Heights so out of the ordinary
@@sb14andmore50because sonic went there before, doesent matter when it happened as long as hes experienced it before the events of generations its a point in the past
Oh look, a glimpse of what Sonic Forces *COULD’VE* looked like if actual care was put into the level design! Fr, Shadow Generations did an amazing job with ALL the levels included. It’s the Sunset Heights level that made us shed a tear imagining a possible good future for Forces if it was given more time to be polished.
1:08 feels so nostalgic for some reason and I love it beyond any words EDIT: the guitars remind me of Unleashed ver. Rooftop Run, that's why it sounds like that to me!
The glissando at 0:05 and the harmonizing chords at 0:55 are the parts that get me to listen to this track over and over again. Sonic music never misses!
Seeing how good this stage was actually made me appreciate the (little) effort put into that game. There was a lot of potential, if only they would have actually locked tf in and delayed it more so we could get a better product
This level shows what Sonic Forces could have been. Just replace Doom's Eye and the Black Arms with Infinite and his created illusions and you got a peak Forces level.
@@unskilledgamer3642 yup. I just wish that there was no pause for sunset like when doom takes you. Should’ve been radical highway imo. Maybe make it crazier. Go harder for that one.
Now this right here... *THIS* feels more like it came from the creators of Sonic Colors and Generations than what they originally promised us all those years ago
Yea the tagline of “from the people behind Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations” is the equivalent of Donkey Xote’s tagline “from the producers who SAW Shrek”
When Forces released, I was 11, and I played it and finished it on launch day, I remember loving it back then, as time went on I quickly realized how bad the game was and how it represented pretty much everything wrong with the franchise at the time, however, even if I started hating the game, I can't deny the nostalgia I have for it, I remember discussing it back then with friends and stuff, those were good times of my childhood, so going through it again and this time a GOOD RENDITION of the stage felt really great, and the remix is fantastic
Acabo de pasar un dia bastante amargo... pero esta vercion de Sunset Heights me salvo la noche, me siento mucho mejor de solo dejarme llevar por este EXTRAORDINARIO SOUDTRACK
I seriously wish Black Doom didn’t interrupt the stage because the Radical Highway section takes up two-thirds of it. The entire first third was so peak, don’t take it away from me like that Sonic Team.
@@Vile_6800compared to other games we got, it's way too weak in comparison. The combined Force (heh) of that OST can never hope to match the sheer intensity of something like Terminal Velocity.
I think it's funny that this level has gimmicks and mechanics that just weren't in Forces. Forces is such of a nothingburger of a game that they basically made a new level.
This forces stage soundtrack always needed a used of guitar and keyboard. This really fits the music with a amount of chaos and destruction everywhere.
Never thought a sonic forces level would have more to it than just holding boost, best level in the entire sonic franchise and platforming genere as a whole.
Mhm. It has plenty of boost segments with some platforming and shortcuts if you’re quick on your feet. Love it when levels do that, gives it a sort of Adventure vibe.
Man I dislike Forces, but I did love Sunset Heights visuals and some of the music. The stage in Shadow Generations is so much more better and fun to play. I thought Infinite would show up as a boss too but I guess they didn’t want him back 😅
It would of been so cool if they did what Nintendo did with Splatoon 3 Side Order where they took data from the previous game (Splatoon 2/Sonic Forces) and had your character make a cameo
Como un tipo que puede decir que el Sunset Heigths original es uno de sus Soundtrack favoritos no solo de Sonic, sino que de toda la industria de los videojuegos... ¿que tengo que decir de este remix? Bueno, la razon por la que amo tanto al Sunset Heitgths original es porque para mi engloba y me transmite todo lo que amo de Sonic, Frenetico, Alegre, epico, muy animado etc por su parte este es mas fuerte al usar mucho mas la guitarra electrica y en sintetizador es mas... ¿potente? Algo asi xd y me grada los pequeños cambios como los efectos de echo en cierto puntos a demas de las nuevas escalas que agarra en zonas como esta: 3:09 o aqui 3:46 las siento muy bienvenidas, sin embargo este remix me transmite mas espectacularidad y deja mas de lado esos sentimientos mas agradables como la alegria que mencione antes, logico, se trata de un nivel para Shadow despues de todo xd y con ese contexto lo siento muy excelente... pero sigo prefiriendo el original. PD: siempre me da un sentimiento raro porque Sunset Heitghs viene de Forces que es una cagada en muchos aspectos, pero igual ese juego me dio un tema que amo con mi vida xdd
@@Twocoolman115 the mobile game released before the console one, i play it since release and tbf seems to be more popular and loved, which is why I think they removed Speed Battle from the title.
Okay, now I'm confused. Sonic generations takes place immediately after Colors. They added a Sonic Forces level to the game. Sonic Forces hasn't happened yet. I haven't seen this entire remake yet so I don't know what's going on or if the original placement of events has been changed for convenience.
Shadow Generations takes place at the same time as Sonic Generations. There is no explanation for Sunset Heights or Chaos Island showing up and there are no ingame comments about it as far as I know, but it just seems the Time Eater can also pull from the future
@@Totomeister If you talk to Gerald he remarks on you seeing places you have no memory of, he mentions time seems to be broken so you can see and visit places from the past and future
@@DpleDualies Technically, Sonic 06 was erased from the timeline, but the Time Eater can undo that and bring it back to use whatever location from that game. Kinda impressive.
@@Totomeister Makes sense. Just like with not recognizing Crisis City and Kingdom Valley, Shadow may not recognize Sunset Heights and Chaos Island because those game events haven't happened yet.
Mania and Superstars are games that happen before Sonic Adventure 2 (timeline wise) and Lost World doesn’t really fit Shadow like at all, sure he wasn’t in Frontiers but it’s much easier to imagine him being in that game compared to Lost World, plus on Chaos Island he gets referenced so that definitely helps
Okay I see you ripped the entire soundtrack but where is the final cutscene/ending theme?
@@TheUltimateNatural not in the files smh, wish they were there but nah
@@romineblox0115 That's weird. So, it's like embedded into the cutscene or something?
@@TheUltimateNatural they're cgi and music from it can't be extracted
@@romineblox0115 Ah damn so that's the problem. Is the beginning cutscene with Shadow on the Ark also CGI? I hope these soundtracks are in the official release.
@@TheUltimateNatural ig, i can't extract those as well
Is anyone else gonna point out the irony in the fact that people were afraid that the level design in this game was gonna be as bad as Forces, only for them to use a level from that game and actually end up redeeming it?
People all this time have been complaining about Sonic games having "Forces level design" only for them to make the Forces level one of the best in the game lmao
They knew we would eat it up so I get it. l
The level designs wasn’t bad themselves…..well actually the enemies standing and hardly doing anything and the god damn game has short levels…..
@MrMisterMisterMr
Ngl every level is one of the best in the game, this lineup has zero misses
The fact that I was annoyed when the Forces level turned into the SA2 level should say enough about how they cooked
Forces if it wasn't a straight line
You mean, Sonic Forces me to take an alternate path.
@aliastheabnormal can't lie, i thought I had a stroke reading your joke
Or if the fanbase werent such Whinny crying children
It is still mostly a straight line, honestly. It just has enemies, obstacles, and alternate paths along the way that require you to actually engage with the game's mechanics on a deeper level than just "boost -> homing attack chain -> boost some more", which is the real difference.
It's still a straight line, lol. They just made it a longer line you have to interact with a bit more
DID THEY JUST MAKE A FORCES LEVEL RAW
THEY SURE FUCKING DID MAKE IT RAW 🔥🔥
And it was an incredible level!!! THIS MAKES ME HATE FORCES EVEN MORE!!! 😠
THEY DID GRAHHHHHHHH
THEY FINALLY FINISHED COOKING WHAT FORCES COULDN'T 🔥🔥🔥
@MrGojira95 this makes no sense. The improvement upon sunset heights should give you a better appreciation for the world in sonic forces much like p-06 did for sonic 06. At least this was actually made by sonic team who improved it unlike Sonic 06.
Omg they made the synths sound better
The original was fine but yeah this remix is definitely better.
they seem to have balanced the guitar, piano, dnb, and synths really well
@@minty6623 exactly
@@JayBomb21 Yeah, I even really liked the original, but it always felt like it was missing something
Forces OST could be redeemed if they redo the whole thing like this.
The fact they redeemed this level and combined park avenue,enemy territory,ghost town,and base sunset heights into 2 acts really proved that they had a good idea that just fell short of a few gimmicks they fucking made the is stage so damn good that it made me think I was playing forced Overclocked
red gate bridge....
@@DpleDualies it’s in Act 1
1:08 I love how the guitar sounds more somber. Gives some weight to the background of giant robots attacking the city
What a difference 7 years can make.
Talk about a redemption.
Forces is really that old 💀
>7 years
I just fell to my knees
You know they were cooking when a FORCES level becomes peak
Forces was always good
@@matitheanimator Ehhhh. The levels left a lot to be desired and the story was okay at best.
It's not horrendously bad like Boom or 06, hell I still had fun with it, but there was a lot they could've done to make it better imo
@@matitheanimator not peak tho
@@Hearway130but still one of the best sonic games around
@@matitheanimator Either way, the generations version of the level is still peak
This stage proves they could have cooked with Forces if they locked tf in
Blame SEGA for pushing Sonic Team to get that game out for Q4 sales... Izuka actually had to beg SEGA for an extension on Sonic Frontiers. And that game went on to become the biggest success 3D Sonic has had in a long while. Sonic x Shadow Generations could've been released exactly a year after Sonic Frontiers, but instead SEGA let Sonic Team have their time with this one. Look how that turned out. Hopefully SEGA now realizes the biggest mistake they made with Sonic for nearly two decades. 😂
@@GawainW forces not frontiers
@@danieleanzaldithem bringing up that Izuka begged for an extra year for Frontiers doesn't mean they stopped talking about Forces
@@danieleanzaldi
Forces was the game that was rushed
Frontiers was the game that got an extension
That's what I meant
@@GawainW i know that but besides the fact that they are both rushed in some way forces is to blame more on sonic team than sega
Gotta say this really does prove that Forces music really needed guitar. It gives the music way more impact.
Forces music had guitars. The whole of the modern stage music was made by electric guitars.
Sonic stages (including Sunset Heights) in Forces is always a mix of guitars and synths going back and forth during the melody, and composition wise it’s very reminiscent of Sonic Runners. You probably dismiss the guitars entirely cuz most of the time they’re the backing instrument for the synths while occasionally became the melody in some parts of the track. Or it’s cuz Forces is very synth heavy already with the Avatar and Classic Sonic’s tracks, so everything kinda blurs out a bit more
This version just amplifies the guitar more with a heavier tone, and a more fitting synth to go with that guitar. What I really like abt the original is that it always had a melancholy vibe under all the energetic beats, and this version retains that vibe but has way more going on in its composition. Or it just sounds edgier lol
Eh, normally I’d agree with you but the original Sunset Heights was one of the best tracks from Forces. I don’t love the Forces synth in general, but this theme used it to excellent effect.
The piercing synth melody from the original was supposed to create a jarring contrast to the melancholic guitar chords and piano hits in the back. It sells this idea of a rebellious force trying to push back against fate, which is exactly what’s going on in this stage, as the rebellion mounts its counterattack against the Eggman Empire (the music even conveys this much better than the actual story lol).
The remix loses some of that, and I think it ends up very slightly weaker as a result. The drop at 0:47 especially doesn’t hit as hard, where the synth is supposed to kick in and really go ham. Although, to be fair, the synth really represented Sonic’s struggles. The increased prevalence of the electric guitar and the change in synth tone definitely makes sense now that Shadow is the main protagonist.
@@NurulSeraExactly. It fits the stage that resembles chaos and destruction.
But it had guitars lol
Forces OST is peak, with very few exceptions (feded hills)
A Forces level that lasts more than 2 minutes? Impossible!
Weird, isnt it
Judging by the heavy usage of the Adventure guitars, it seems Jun Senoue was involved in this remix. They're really giving all they got to make the Act 1s feel like Adventure stages huh?
For what it's worth, Jun was the sound director for this game, so he had a MAJOR hand in the soundtrack here.
@@JLuisJonileave it to Jun to always deliver peak 😎
@@TheTimon64not classic games tho
leave that to tee lops
@@user-bh5mf6eh7gyeah tee lops for classic and Jun, ohtani and rest on modern
Never switch
@@user-bh5mf6eh7gimo Jun's composing in Superstars wasn't all that bad, just that some needs better instruments
Man I wish I could get as big of a glow-up as much as sunset heights did 😔
You can, just believe in yourself bro
@@laudj_art Sonic CD reference
If a Forces level can get this big of a glow-up, then anything is possible!
Reaching this stage i was amazed at how fun it was compared to the original iteration but when 2:41 played i was locked in.
And if this was placed in normal Sonic Forces you wouldn't make it to that part as the stage would have ended there XD
Holy moly I didn't even notice the riff was different, I thought it was just the second loop at that point
What the heck, a whole army of Death Egg Robots?
Oh no! There are so many of them!
Hurry Sonic! We can keep them in check but not for long.
That'll work! I'll find Shadow and be back in no time!
Ugh, this many Death Egg Robots?! Come on, seriously?!
I'm not one to complain, but that’s a lot, right? Way more than we can reasonably take on!
AAAAA THE GUITAR AT 1:28 SECTION IS BEAUTIFUL
If you time this with the scripted part with the robots 🔥🔥shit is peak 🔥🔥
Imagine they pulled a Xenoverse two with this stage specifically. Like imagine if you have somic forces save data your custom character or something made a cameo appearance in a short cutscene mid-stage.
I was SO SHOCKED this was in the game but I loved every second of the level, probably my favourite level in the campaign so far
The drum fill before the second time the hook plays is such a little thing but adds SO much, they really did make this song even BETTER
They somehow made one of my favorite songs from the original forces soundtrack even better. I don't know how they did it, but this just hits stronger.
Honestly shoutout to this track for giving this song actual life. It’s grown on me incredibly in a way the original just didn’t.
3:01 I just love this part of the song, im not sure why. Gives me chills every time I hear it.
This banger sounds just slightly different in all the right ways. I already think the original slapped (the synth wasn't THAT harsh) and now, they made the synth a bit softer, and that changes basically everything. This ripper is goddamn proof that Forces could've been something special if given a bit more time to cook and shows that it had a soul.
The added guitar and vastly improved synths make this song sound so much better!
This is what Sonic Forces' OST could have sounded like if Sega hadn't forced this game to be out by the holidays and barely gave Sonic Team any budget to work with.
The original didn't have a guitar? What about that melody in the beginning before the synth kicks in?
@@midi_felinethe extra riffs
As someone who's never played forces, I'm so glad it was that Shadow generations that introduced me to this epic song, this sounds so much better and completed compared to the original! Possibly my fav song of the game!
Rock on shadow! 😎
This game fixed forces by doing one thing
They didnt even need to change sunset heights, it was already okay layout wise, but they completely fixed it just by making the desth egg robots interact with the stage
There were dozens in forces but they were never used except for 1 quick time even before metal sonic that feels forced and forgettable
Forces didnt utilize any of its setpeices, but making the massive death egg robots be a psrt of the actual level here fixed it, overhauling the level design was just the cherry on top, and forces already had amazing music
Edit: okay i may have made a mistake, i said sunset heights was okay at best, i may have meant park avanue, forces is so forgettable i cant remember which one was the straight line)
IMO, forces was bad for 3 reasons, level design and writing are the first 2....
The third isnt talked about much, but i wholeheartedly believe a big reason forces flopped was because of the lack of that modern sonic charm, the little things that make sonic levels/stories memorable and immersive. in Rooftop Run you scale and jump off a giant clock tower, in Asteroid coaster they have you Literally attack asteroids to get on roller coasters. the only parts of forces i can remember are, Null Space, the Final Boss, and for some reason the snake that eats you in Silent Forest... theres very little immersion or even a reason to remember the gameplay because of the lack of charm.
im really glad Sunset Heights got a second chance AND the charm/appeal it deserved.
I think forces had a bit of that charm
Null space and the snake are two big ones
Jumping on the ships in egg gate tried to be similar to that charm but kinda flopped
But having a death egg robot interact with the stages like this would've been amazing
And forces story was really the biggest thing for the fact that it could've been great but wasn't
The gameplay also sucked and it took me under 3 hours to S rank every stage in it but I would've been fine with that if the story was good
The whole war thing was a good idea but just wasn't utilized properly, and I really hope we get a full remake of this game on the switch 2 or whatever the next console is
They could easily take all the preexisting levels, slightly change a few, then extend them a bit
Keep the story but rewrite the script a bit
And then maybe add a couple new levels and bosses, like one at the start so they don't find out sonics alive 5 seconds after hes presumed dead
And a chaos bossfight
Honestly bro I feel like after this game, forces needs a remake(not a remaster) or at least a sequel. I feel like since Sonic Team knows what they are doing, they could pull it off very well. I have lots of faith in them that if they try hard enough, they can redeem forces. This also comes from a guy who somehow enjoyed it too lol
The beginning sounds so heroic, no wonder the theme is so catchy. The level design is nicely polished in this one and its actually really fun. It must have Shadow ponder how the hell Eggman did managed to succeed in his world domination at some point.
Why is this lowkey the best track in the ost?
I kinda agree tbh. The rest of the OST is good but this sticks out to me for some reason
Playing this level, as someone massively disappointed by how much potential Forces failed to live up to, was deeply cathartic.
Me and my boy Shadow about to put an ungodly amount of hours on this stage
ngl i’m a lil sad that we didn’t get an infinite boss or anything, but getting a full fledged forces level that’s actually good is plenty for me
@@NotSoGenesiz agree
A half decent modder might be able to stitch him over Mephilles if they tried.
According to the timeliness shadow has not met infinite yet
@@samuelkibunda6960Didn’t stop a certain someone else from showing up despite being erased from the timeline.
Besides, I’d pay to see Infinite getting pissed because the guy who beat him up and called him weak doesn’t even remember him (at least from his perspective)
I'll take Mephiles anyway over infinite
hold up ARE THEY USING THOSE CLASSIC SYNTHS THEY KEEP TRYING WITH JUN'S CLASSIC SONGS? BUT AWESOME!??!?! This song is great and makes me wonder what forces COULD have been, what if it had been the redemption for sonic back then? If only...
Might be my favorite version of Sunset Heights
Edit: It WAS my fav version until i listened to act 2, oh my GOD
Same
It IS.
It's not my favorite version! But I respect your opinion!
I would like to personally congratulate Shadow Generations for this beautiful moment in which I actually appreciate the existence of Sonic Forces
I wonder if Shadow's presence in Sunset Heights might cause an anomaly to that era that the resistance saw Shadow sightings in Sunset Heights (specifically Amy's dialogue in Forces; "Shadow has been sighted! Apparently, he's travelling above the city at high speed."). So what Amy saw might be Gens Shadow starting Sunset Heights.
Then for Chaos Island, there were no dialogue or anomaly that might affect Frontiers's story other than the volcano erupted (Sonic was probably there when that happened).
But man. Would be great if Gens Shadow meet Forces Shadow and becoming a boss on that, as well as Infinite, mistaken Gens Shadow as his illusions or whatnot. The same goes to Frontiers Sonic fighting Gens Shadow with his Doom powers. That would be an excuse to not have our perspective to the Shadow rival fight. Seeing Frontiers Sonic full power vs Gens Shadow full power. But unfortunately, that won't happen anytime and probably Sonic Team added these two because Forces and Frontiers are HE2 levels and Shadow Generations is running in HE2.
White Space doesn't work like that, they aren't literally going to the time periods, the locations are pulled out of time
No, it didnt
@@strangelynormal9561 Technically they are, since classic crisis city and modern crisis city feature the fire tornado, and the iblis creatures, meaning Future Iblis was still roaming around Crisis City and not sealed in blaze yet.
@@FluppietheRockruffFanPeople seem to forget Crisis City was in OG Gens, that's a level taken directly from the future, more specifically Silver's future, so how is Sunset Heights so out of the ordinary
@@sb14andmore50because sonic went there before, doesent matter when it happened as long as hes experienced it before the events of generations its a point in the past
Oh look, a glimpse of what Sonic Forces *COULD’VE* looked like if actual care was put into the level design!
Fr, Shadow Generations did an amazing job with ALL the levels included. It’s the Sunset Heights level that made us shed a tear imagining a possible good future for Forces if it was given more time to be polished.
Forces if they put passion into it
1:08 feels so nostalgic for some reason and I love it beyond any words
EDIT: the guitars remind me of Unleashed ver. Rooftop Run, that's why it sounds like that to me!
The glissando at 0:05 and the harmonizing chords at 0:55 are the parts that get me to listen to this track over and over again. Sonic music never misses!
Never thought my favorite Shadow Generations level would be the one from Forces of all things
This song was already really good and they made it way better this was also probably my second favorite stage in forces
BUT THAT PIANO 0:06
Seeing how good this stage was actually made me appreciate the (little) effort put into that game. There was a lot of potential, if only they would have actually locked tf in and delayed it more so we could get a better product
The level is amazing as a deluxe dlc guy. IMO sunset and chaos are the best stages. The final stage before the boss is hard ASH
Radical Highway being the last level is so fitting for shadow too, but I agree Sunset Heights was fantastic!
This level shows what Sonic Forces could have been. Just replace Doom's Eye and the Black Arms with Infinite and his created illusions and you got a peak Forces level.
@@Blue_blur1994 yup. Lmao radical was hard they had no right to make it hard lmao
@@unskilledgamer3642 yup. I just wish that there was no pause for sunset like when doom takes you. Should’ve been radical highway imo. Maybe make it crazier. Go harder for that one.
This proves that with proper time and care, they can remake Sonic Forces (and Sonic 06) if they wanted to
the really made me love a forces level and now it my fav level in the whole game
Now this right here... *THIS* feels more like it came from the creators of Sonic Colors and Generations than what they originally promised us all those years ago
@@fastfox57 so true
Yea the tagline of “from the people behind Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations” is the equivalent of Donkey Xote’s tagline “from the producers who SAW Shrek”
You know, this reminds me a lot of a TSR remix now that I think about it. This still is awesome though.
Redemption at its finest 👌
SONIC FORCES Shadow to meet The Devil.
I'm glad they included this and didn't pretend like forces didn't happen
itd be pretty weird to acknowledge 06 and not Forces to be fair.
When Forces released, I was 11, and I played it and finished it on launch day, I remember loving it back then, as time went on I quickly realized how bad the game was and how it represented pretty much everything wrong with the franchise at the time, however, even if I started hating the game, I can't deny the nostalgia I have for it, I remember discussing it back then with friends and stuff, those were good times of my childhood, so going through it again and this time a GOOD RENDITION of the stage felt really great, and the remix is fantastic
As much as i want to like this stage i always get Nam flashbacks of Sonic Forces 😭💀
Infinite: Am I supposed to be the main villain? WHY AM I NOT IN THE PICTURE?!
I love how they picked bad stages for shadow gens. It's nice to see bad stages reedemed
kingdom valley has entered the chat
@carterwilliams9561 a stage from the sonic game where every fucking second felt worse than Marble Zone entered the chat
This is LIT!!! And you can change the stage BGM into Justice Park Avenue for full blown Forces experience!
For real?
Hello Metallic Madness from Sonic CD.
Hello Sunset Heights from Sonic Forces.
🤝
Getting redeemed in a future Sonic game involving time travel.
wdym metallic madness?
I'm guessing they're talking about Mania, but Mania wasn't about time travel, Eggman just made Metallic Madness around Little Planet again.
@@DpleDualies i dunno theres nothing wrong with the og metallic madness, while mania's act 1 was pretty good but act 2 ruined the mood
Metallic Madness was always great, what are you on about?
Even the US version was good.
@Comkill117 us ost fanboy baiting engagement i see
Shadow: no more mistakes! This time, I will crush every last one of them !
Biggest glow up in all of Generations, hands down
They made a forces level so good...forces, what could've been...
Acabo de pasar un dia bastante amargo... pero esta vercion de Sunset Heights me salvo la noche, me siento mucho mejor de solo dejarme llevar por este EXTRAORDINARIO SOUDTRACK
🙏
Here waiting to see this level ported to actual forces lol
Better than the original. Strike's a good balance with the synths and rock elements.
I seriously wish Black Doom didn’t interrupt the stage because the Radical Highway section takes up two-thirds of it. The entire first third was so peak, don’t take it away from me like that Sonic Team.
They rlly made a Forces level good. I’m truly impressed 😂
This key art is so good I downloaded a mod to make it the title screen lmao
0:46
YYYEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-
This sounds like this would be the anime opening
They made Forces music enjoyable even with the synth that is absolutely insane
Music has always been one of the very few good things of forces
@@Vile_6800compared to other games we got, it's way too weak in comparison. The combined Force (heh) of that OST can never hope to match the sheer intensity of something like Terminal Velocity.
I like how this track basically screams "confident".
I think it's funny that this level has gimmicks and mechanics that just weren't in Forces. Forces is such of a nothingburger of a game that they basically made a new level.
Not too different from the original but I love the original so it's all good. I think that part of 0:45 is better in the Forces version though
Not too different?!? Its significantly different because Shadow Generations has more instrumentals, and the main melody is pitched down
Yeah that part felt a bit more epic and dramatic in the original
0:36-0:48 slap bass goes hard
It feels weird playing Sunset Height in Gens without it feeling linear and boring
What are these new heights that are at sunset?
you know simply for the fact that they redeemed a forces level this is my favourite stage in shadow generations
This forces stage soundtrack always needed a used of guitar and keyboard. This really fits the music with a amount of chaos and destruction everywhere.
Never thought a sonic forces level would have more to it than just holding boost, best level in the entire sonic franchise and platforming genere as a whole.
Mhm. It has plenty of boost segments with some platforming and shortcuts if you’re quick on your feet. Love it when levels do that, gives it a sort of Adventure vibe.
Kingdom Valley & Sunset Heights both Act 1s are having a battle for first place!
Space colony ark act 1 is cool too
Great opener
Man I dislike Forces, but I did love Sunset Heights visuals and some of the music. The stage in Shadow Generations is so much more better and fun to play. I thought Infinite would show up as a boss too but I guess they didn’t want him back 😅
That's one HAPPY buzzsaw
It would of been so cool if they did what Nintendo did with Splatoon 3 Side Order where they took data from the previous game (Splatoon 2/Sonic Forces) and had your character make a cameo
Como un tipo que puede decir que el Sunset Heigths original es uno de sus Soundtrack favoritos no solo de Sonic, sino que de toda la industria de los videojuegos... ¿que tengo que decir de este remix?
Bueno, la razon por la que amo tanto al Sunset Heitgths original es porque para mi engloba y me transmite todo lo que amo de Sonic, Frenetico, Alegre, epico, muy animado etc por su parte este es mas fuerte al usar mucho mas la guitarra electrica y en sintetizador es mas... ¿potente? Algo asi xd y me grada los pequeños cambios como los efectos de echo en cierto puntos a demas de las nuevas escalas que agarra en zonas como esta: 3:09 o aqui 3:46 las siento muy bienvenidas, sin embargo este remix me transmite mas espectacularidad y deja mas de lado esos sentimientos mas agradables como la alegria que mencione antes, logico, se trata de un nivel para Shadow despues de todo xd y con ese contexto lo siento muy excelente... pero sigo prefiriendo el original.
PD: siempre me da un sentimiento raro porque Sunset Heitghs viene de Forces que es una cagada en muchos aspectos, pero igual ese juego me dio un tema que amo con mi vida xdd
I can't believe they remixed a mobile game level(?
The mobile game is based off a console game. If you haven’t heard of it before, it’s because, well… we don’t talk about the game.
@@Twocoolman115 they was probably joking…
@@Twocoolman115 the mobile game released before the console one, i play it since release and tbf seems to be more popular and loved, which is why I think they removed Speed Battle from the title.
@@xBlasteryeah but the song was made for the consle ver
Best stage in shadow gens. Fuckin fight me
I remember when people thought this was just going to be a bonus dlc level of all things, funny times lol.
_“Black Doom… I destroyed you once. I will do it again.”_
-Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic X Shadow Generations, 2024)
Full circle moment right here
In the beginning you can hear the piano 🎹 🔥
Yes my favorite wartime theme
Holy shit, this makes the original sound like an unfinished demo in comparison.
especially good considering the original was already a banger
@@democracy_enjoyer Indeed! It already was one of my favorite themes from that game, this just perfected what was already amazing.
Okay, now I'm confused. Sonic generations takes place immediately after Colors. They added a Sonic Forces level to the game. Sonic Forces hasn't happened yet. I haven't seen this entire remake yet so I don't know what's going on or if the original placement of events has been changed for convenience.
Shadow Generations takes place at the same time as Sonic Generations. There is no explanation for Sunset Heights or Chaos Island showing up and there are no ingame comments about it as far as I know, but it just seems the Time Eater can also pull from the future
@@Totomeister If you talk to Gerald he remarks on you seeing places you have no memory of, he mentions time seems to be broken so you can see and visit places from the past and future
Tbf, Crisis City is from the future and canonically our Sonic has no memory of it
@@DpleDualies Technically, Sonic 06 was erased from the timeline, but the Time Eater can undo that and bring it back to use whatever location from that game. Kinda impressive.
@@Totomeister Makes sense. Just like with not recognizing Crisis City and Kingdom Valley, Shadow may not recognize Sunset Heights and Chaos Island because those game events haven't happened yet.
now that i think about it, unleashed was 3 years old around the time generations came out - in comparison, forces was SEVEN before this one.
0:00 Shadow: I destroyed you once. I will do it again.
Omega: Warning! Infinite sighted! Sensors indicate he's traveling above the city at high velocity.
You know Sega was cooking when there is only 6 zones and the 4th zone is probably the best one for testing reaction time
They should at least the Rollercoaster in shadow generations
How come there aren’t any levels from Lost World, Mania or Superstars?
cuz shadow was not in these games
@@David-zr5gh Well, he wasn't in Frontiers
@@PERFECTFIRE13 reused assets from sonic frontiers prob, same engine after all
Mania and Superstars are games that happen before Sonic Adventure 2 (timeline wise) and Lost World doesn’t really fit Shadow like at all, sure he wasn’t in Frontiers but it’s much easier to imagine him being in that game compared to Lost World, plus on Chaos Island he gets referenced so that definitely helps
@@quarter4935tbf, nothing says Time Eater can't go into the future
Ngl if they replaced the synth with a violin this would slap harder
WE FIXIN' FORCES WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣