Red Flag Addict: Love Is Blind Season 4 Marshall & Jackie
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Therapist analyses the breakup between Jackie ESFP and Marshall INFP based on personality types and cognitive functions.
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In this video, I also elaborate on the following personality types and how their cognitive functions correlate with relationship chemistry and behaviour:
Fi introverted Feeling, Fe extraverted Feeling,
Si introverted Sensing, Se extraverted Sensing
INFP, ESFP
00:00 Intro
00:30 Not Looking After People's Feelings
01:37 Shaming Someone For Being What You're Afraid To Be
02:49 All Blame, No Gratitude
04:53 Self Sabotage
05:48 Fi Parent: Protecting Your Own Feelings
08:04 Jackie's Real Problems
09:28 Fi & Fi: Mutual Vulnerability
10:40 Fi & Se Blindspot: Romanticising the Relationship
12:42 Saviour Complex
15:13 Book a Session
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I love your insights, it’s ironic INFP’s are called healer/mediators. Marshall needs to realize he can’t change or rescue other people he can only change himself. Marshall is trying to be Jackie’s fixer and in doing so he avoids his own issues, he is getting his sense of self from her also. I think Jackie reminds him of his parents and he’s trying to heal a familiar spirit from the past. I can see how his si keeps him trapped in the past. The lack of se blind to reality that he is also toxic. Also INFP tend to see the good in people which with certain people can be not good situation for the INFP. They both need therapy and should not move forward with the relationship until doing so.
Very insightful
Yes and yes.
@@WilliamsPinch After watching his interviews I think he's an ENFJ Protagonist/Mentor with how he's good with people and tried to lead Jackie
His old tweets revealed that he fetishized latina women and has disdain for black women. I think that played a lot too.
Jackie is a preference and has gotten away with this behavior l. That's all I'll say ! Her attitude is terrible!
THIS is the comment! The ONLY reason Marshall put up with her bs and was so willing to make it work was bc SHE WASN'T BLACK. I like this ladies analysis, but she leaves out crucial parts of the self hate and internalized racism of black males. And it all came out recently of how Marshall made bad comments about black women. Marshall tried to curate his image for TV but I could see right through that. I honestly think the ONLY reason Marshall didn't go for Tiffany because he realized she was black. Black men have a pathology
@GabiJaeTingz that's right sis!!! Say it
I'm upset by the amount of people who thought Marshall calling Jackie a project was okay. People would even go to the lengths of saying he handled it well. He absolutely did not handle that conversation well and the way he said she was a project it was obvious it was his truth. Even to the point of drifting on about how he expressed how he thought Jackie would grow to liking him, right after he said that. They're both really wacky ppl. One although is more noticable than the other.
That was a major red flag indeed.
Yes he is weird as well. In his tweets he fetishized latina women saying he wants a pure breed, as if they're not people. I think latin women should stay away from him. He also dogged black women in those tweets, he's no angel.
@@noneya1238right...
Jacki though he will never be able to hurt her and he proved her wrong lmafo 😂
So glad I wasn't the only person triggered by Jackie. I can't put a finger on it, but I do really think she's struggling emotionally, immature and manipulative. For her to flip her feelings, emotions and villainize someone so quickly, I really hopes she starts talking to someone. Very reminiscent of Danielle from two seasons ago.
Did she really say to him "Put that back in the fridge" in that tone? Girl, get it together! And Marshall didn't even say anything?! She was walking all over him the whole time and he let her. They just didn't seem like a good match at all for the long haul (obviously, haha!).
The thing about this savior complex is people don't want that! We're not projects, we're people. Everybody wants to live their lives for themselves regardless of what that is, and the savior really backfires and comes off as controlling and desperate.
I said this after the breakdown in Mexico. He was in savior mode and that’s it’s own brand of toxic because you’re torturing yourself into something bad for you in the hope that something good will come out the other end and that’s a fairy tale. It rarely goes that way.
Ohhh good 👍 true
Basically good guy syndrome
I think sometimes a cold cut off is a good closure because Marshall seems to be missing her signals that he is not what she wants.
I so appreciate this. I understand people being put off by Jackie but the Saviour and superiority complex in Marshall was obvious to me and I was shocked that all the reviewers I've watched missed it. He spends more time focused on her issues that he doesn't have to face his own, and the audience is doing the same. I kept thinking of the idea of the "good guy" many claim to be. They pat themselves on the back for not physically abusing or cheating and for doing nice things here and there, BUT the not-so-nice things they say and passive agressiveness is where they get you. He tried to clean up his project comment but he knew how that would make her feel when he said it.
This is so refreshing to see
For real, he started rubbing me the wrong way with the way he reacted with josh and jackie, I didn't understand at all why he was trying to pick a fight josh in the pods...that weirded me out, then when said "I'm always with women that have been treated badly and can't handled being treated right" thus proclaming himself the nice guy that women don't appreciate, I raised an eyebrow, the project comment was ewww....
But Jackie was so bad that people don't even have time to pick up on marshall's redflags
He definitely gives off a 'nice guy' vibe. Watching him on TikTok these past few days has been so wild as he's been creating content that is clearly a dig at Jackie and encouraging the viewers to pile on the hate. He seems to be revelling in all the celebration he receives at the expense of Jackie. Now I'm not in any way diminishing Jackie's actions but I feel a genuinely good guy wouldn't feed into the bullying she's received which I feel is disproportionate to her breaking his heart.
@@regcla6667 I completely agree on your point. Seeing the reactions to LIB for the past few seasons has made me realise just how much we tend to not have a balance when evaluating couples. People are drawn to seeing the 'villain vs victim' that there seems to be limited room for balance. We've seen this with Zanab v Cole, Kwame v Chelsea & Jackie and Marshall. It's like we pick a side of the one we most resonate with then fail to see/dismiss any of their flaws. I think this contributes to a great deal of harm to people who have made human mistakes
I don’t know he only focused on her issues because she kept bringing up her issues
You’re my favorite for these breakdowns. I may need to learn the personality types to fully appreciate everything you do. I guess maybe I’m a more serious person and appreciate the professional approach, and the psychology of it all, versus the entertaining and comedic channels. Your intelligence just catches my attention more.
Wonder if there is some opportunity there to do lives and go through ppl’s personality types like tarot readings.
I believe Marshall meant to say you remind of someone from the Projects
Lol
I dieddd 😂
😂
I appreciate the witticism
See, I’m not as confused by her going totally rogue because I didn’t understand what prompted the comments about Zach in Mexico. She was so mean?? And for what!? She just dogged him over nothing
Even the two faced behavior when she was with Chelsea vs with Micah. Very mean. She egged Chelsea’s on then turned around and laughed at her with Micah.
This was worth more than all the therapy I have had combined, as I do relate to Marshall as I did wrap all of my self-worth in being able to help others. Not coincidentally, my last relationship (almost two years ago) was with someone A LOT like Jackie... I am obviously now more aware and hopefully not going to engage in these relationships anymore. You are a GEM on here- thank you for your content!!!
It’s interesting to see because the same energy he freely gives to others is the opposite he gives himself. He doesn’t give love and attention to himself to respect himself enough to get out and not choose people that don’t choose him.
Savior complex is a mechanism that keeps focus off themselves and on to the person they think they can save but it always backfires.
Its all very counter intuitive, because the Saviour needs saving himself.
It takes two to dance the tango. The couple brings out each other's worst character sides through mirroring. It is painful to watch for us spectators.
I recommend you to analyze Love is Blind Barasilien, season 2. Very tasteful and more mature participants. You can make a good reality show with less narcissistic outbursts.☺
Yes I really liked LIB Brazil season 2, and the hosts were great
Very interesting analysis of Marshall and Jackie! Originally, I thought Marshall was INFJ, as he felt quite similar to an ENFJ at some points but is definitely introverted. Now I see that is because INFP is the mirror type. The saviour complex issues I originally mistook for unhealthy Fe, are actually Fi. The way he talks about being authentic is HIS idea of what being authentic means, which is Fi. Also, with Fe a conversation tends to dissuade someone from acting blindly on their values. Fe will ask have you considered not saying that in that way, as you need to consider wider group dynamics. It may bite you in the butt if you don’t. A conversation I often have with my husband lol.
If a Fi type sees someone as a project, it’s basically them wanting to help remake that person in their idealised image. Whereas, Fe will do that with societal expectations (ESFJ, ENFJ, INFJ).
When you see Marshall and Jackie’s dynamic, it becomes clear that this is two Fi people clashing HARD. The function which once brought them closer is tearing them apart. Jackie has a personal view of what a man and ideal relationship is, as does Marshall. These ideals are in direct conflict. Whereas, Josh affirms Jackie’s views and beliefs, she now feels this is more authentic. Jackie chooses him. I absolutely do not condone her behaviour towards Marshall though, it was very selfish and disgusting. As is the continued online discourse and slander of Marshall (his sexuality being questioned).
I will direct everyone who thinks Marshall is an INFJ to your great insight.
@@DrCherieTypes Thank you, I always appreciate your kind words and feedback! 🙏🏼❤️
For everyone redirected…also I’ve just thought that if Marshall was INFJ, Ni would be his dominant function. We don’t really see Ni with him. There isn’t a very specific view of a future path/outcome mapped by his intuition. Marshall focuses on his emotions and values primarily (Fi).
@@Jenny-vm3yu lol for everyone redirected. It’s me. I’m redirected 😂
@@Jenny-vm3yu see like you I thought he was Fe. I was thinking Fe dominant, ESFJ to be exact. I’m still not convinced he is INFP to be honest but you’re working me lol. I think my biggest issue to why I don’t believe Marshall is INFP is the “I’ve dated girls like Jackie before” comment. As Si users they don’t have the short memory that Se users have. It just seems highly unlikely that an Si user would keep dating the same type of girl when they’ve been hurt by one before. Especially with Si being in the tertiary position I can see an INFP generalize incorrectly that girls like Jackie are the problem instead of just Jackie was the problem. I would believe ENFJ before INFP.
I think Marshall an ISFJ the nurturer or ENFJ, the mentor with low self esteem. Marshall said he reflected on his childhood because Jackie wouldn't and the producers needed something from them. Jackie is an ESTP the explorer, she is detached, a straight shooter, compulsive and lives in the present moment also I think she felt torn between 2 men but went with Marshall because she knew he was all in, but then later realized she didn't like him. I think there is dispute on Marshall's personality because he lacks confidence he hides who he is or abandons himself for others. I doubt he's an INFP they wouldn't want to make someone a project when he talks about being authentic I think it's a question from a producer. He probably got a good edit from them because the producers probably liked him. Please tell me what you think about this
Ok….Jackie is me and I’m Jackie
I actually related so much to her watching the show thinking she’s just being real and Marshall reminds me of my husband but now I’m now self reflecting and definitely need to go back to therapy
Are you an ESTP? The Doer/Entrepeneur they are straight shooters
I would love to see you do a video about the meaning of the functions' positions. I have never heard of parent functions etc. I'd love an overview about this and the other positions and what they mean. Not necessarily specifically for any type, but in general.
This is such a helpful analysis! I’m going to share this with a close girlfriend who only seems to go for guys she needs to fix, pay for, feed etc AND she doesn’t respect them. Such a self-esteem issue. Thank you Dr Cherie for another enlightening video!!!
I'm not going to say whether someone is a good or bad person., I don't know them to even make that judgment and even if I did, I wouldn't know everything they've been through. However, I don't like the narrative that Marshall is this great guy and he's a victim. He thought he was better than Jackie and he thinks that because he's a "Nice guy" that he is entitled. Nice guys who throw things in your face when they're angry are not cool.
To me this makes Marshall look hella fake and she probably could sense that from him. The fact that she was not attracted to him and he knew it and he was still trying to get married showed her that he was fake.
Thank you for bringing attention this!! As someone who used to adopt this savior complex, i can tell you first hand how toxic, ugly, unloving, and immoral this orientation really is. One of the most ickiest things about it - you can more easily convince yourself you are right when you are just wrong. It’s condescending and self-deceiving. I hope Marshall gets the help he thinks everyone else so desperately needs and can grow from this. There is freedom in the truth!!
Been looking forward to your analysis!
Another great analysis Dr Cherie. I really liked Jacki at first because she seemed genuine. I raised an eyebrow at her not speaking to Josh but forgot about that. Thank you for bringing that up again :)
I needed someone else to say this, none of my friends noticed. Marshall didn't care about Jackie or her feelings at all, he could care less if she liked him. He wanted to coerce her into being with him by "saving her." Calling her a project and acting like she was self-sabotaging because she didn't like him. There was a power dynamic in that relationship for him, he was super rude and condescending.
Love your videos I’ve been binge watching
If you could please answer my question Dr Cherie, I'm really looking forward to your answer. How can we differentiate between someone who has a saviour complex vs someone who is genuinely a good partner and is just there for you at your lows? a lot of people feel way more comfortable showing their true, toxic selves after their partner has been with them for quite some time, maybe after the honeymoon period. How are we confident to say Marshall really took Jackie on as a project if she did not show in pods that she was the kind of toxic she later became? Wouldn't then Marshall be a bad guy if he ran away at the first fight? When should he have broken up with Jackie? I ask because I have been in similar situations twice, and while I ended the first one immediately after realizing the other person didn't respect me enough, I was in too deep with the next person, and kept extending them empathy, and kindness. And I really don't want to repeat this pattern the third time.
Dr. Cherie I appreciate you taking the time to acknowledge your own triggers and how they make affect how you view things.
I wish we as an audience acknowledged that more often as well.
I always look forward to hearing your thoughts
This is a great analysis. I learned so much. Thank you ❤
I would LOVE for you to analyze married at first sight Australia season 10 cast, especially Duncan and Alyssa . There’s so much material there.
Thanks for your video! Always interesting.
your channel is awesome!
Was waiting on this one and Brett and Tiffany
Yes yes yes excited for this one‼️
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You’re absolutely amazing! Such great insights as always!!! ❤
Wow, so glad I found your channel, thoroughly enjoyed you analysis. Thank you!
Love the videos and your insights!!!! Thank you for your unique analysis.
Excellent assessment!
This video is so spot on! There were so many red flags I didn't notice at first.
Great points!!! Thanks
You are so good!!
This was amazing!!! Thank you for the accurate breakdown
Thank you for this insight
You have the best interpretations
This the one couple that got me the most… as a Virgo lady like Marshall is triggering to see how being sensitive, emotional and caring for others can be a sword of double edge and hurt you at the end when all you are trying to do is help people become the best of themselves.. Marshall was played so bad I hope this doesn’t scar him for life and doesn’t close him off to find the right person for him.
I don't think he's a victim either. He has some mean tweets about black women, and fetishizing latina women, saying he wants a pure breed. This dude has been broken.
Marshall appears to be codependent. He also seems to live in a fantasy world. He is not realistic about what it takes for a relationship to work. Anyway it's a common issue that affects a lot of us.
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Excellent video.
You are so articulate wow
Wow this is just eye-opening to me: Even if i had intuitively understood many of the "Jackie behaviours" and their origins before, you are letting me see it from a different angle, plus there is additional information-for example the second type position that represents the parenting trait... i'm kind of impressed : )
Thank you!
i'd like to add sth: I disagree that the person who wants to help necessarily feels superior. One can feel equal and just see the other person's pain and have compassion. It's the compassion that you can give to yourself that you are able to give to someone else. I agree though that the boundary must be where you are the only one that is there for the other person. At least on the long-term, this is extremely unhealthy and a RUN or at least distance yourself situation.
I like this lady and the way she speaks
I really like your point of view about Marshall and Jackie.
Interesting, as an INFP I was actually much more triggered by Marshall's saviour/superiority complex than I felt by triggered by Jackie's behavior. I didn't even notice it honestly. Just felt compassion. When watching their dynamic over, it's just hard to watch honestly. They're clearly unhappy together
Me too and I’m an INFP also. Jackie told him exactly who she was and her weaknesses. She said she pushes people away, but people try to demonize her.
I think it was more too that. His tweets revealed that he fetishized Asian women and hadnbad things to say about black women. I think she could sense that he was lost and looking for her to fulfill him actually, not the other way around.
He probably triggered you because it's something that you can recognise? I hear that the things that we put a lot of emotional value on, good or bad, are things we can readily recognise in our own self. Either something we are trying to move away from that doesn't serve us anymore or something we hold a lot of value on that we can appreciate.
As an ISFP, I wholeheartedly agree, though. Theirs was a very interesting but extremely difficult dynamic to watch.
@@mariannechemu2860 yeah that could definitely be an explanation. I think there's some truth to it now i think about it! Interesting.
The ONLY reason Marshall put up with her bs and was so willing to make it work was bc SHE WASN'T BLACK. I like this ladies analysis, but she leaves out crucial parts of the self hate and internalized racism of black males. And it all came out recently of how Marshall made bad comments about black women. Marshall tried to curate his image for TV but I could see right through that. I honestly think the ONLY reason Marshall didn't go for Tiffany because he realized she was black. Black men have a pathology
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Nevermind Dr. Cherie's detailed, measured, and fair analysis of both parties. This was really all about how awful black men are. Got it.
Thank you for your insightful commentary. I seriously believe Jackie is mentally ill. When she was melting down all of a sudden and he takes care of her and then she turns cold and commands him to put something back in the frig. I thought I was looking at a psycho. fr... And even when she said she was worried about her, not Marshall's behavior. I was like... 👀👀
Now.i wanna watch the show!
I do not think Marshall thinks he is superior, I think he is too empathetic for his own good. I know because I am very similar, it is really hard for people like me to walk away from a bad situation. You end up thinking to yourself what do I need to do to change this, to make this person not live in such conditions, what do I need to do to make this person value themself.
Thank you! I’m so glad I’m not the only one who sees this! I’m also an INFP so I relate to Marshall a bit and it’s frustrating to hear that people think he’s seeing himself as superior and disrespectful when that just doesn’t seem the case.
Might be an opportunity for some self reflection and introspection. Marshall is definitely a good guy but I’m complete denial about Jacqui
I am interested in what you said at 11:10 about Fi as the top function. I see that in the man I am currently dating. Have you talked more about this trait in other videos?
Don't save her. She don't wanna be saved
The leaked text stated that they broke up way before but had to stretch it for tv. So why did he go to the tux fitting? A lot of people on this show like to look like a victim to make the other person look bad
I can relate to Marshall more than any other relationship or person on this show and it’s been over a year because nice people whether you are man or a woman get “f”over all the time ……we are seen as weak ,we are seeing as less than we’re seeing as not being able to stand up to the role of who God defined us ……. in fact, we are just the opposite. we care deeply we love honestly. And we wil foght for you for us as long as you are honest.
I hope till this day that Marshall finds love true real love😇
I think part of the reason why I seem to be on Marshall side most of the time is that I know so many women like him. I think in pop culture, we're used to seeing women who get validation from sticking by and "saving" damaged men, kind of like how AD from season 6 was trying to help Clay. Seeing a man do it does highlight how it is not unconditionally love but an issue as well. But, I don't vilify Marshall for that. I just hope he's able to see that pattern and tries to fix it.
Can you make a video explaining all of this personality typing? Like what each of the letters stand for and look like “se, si, fe, fi” etc? As a tool to reference generally? Or if you already have one will you direct me to it? Thank you so much I love your videos!! ❤
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Classic co-dependent relationship, tale as old as time. She's a narcissist and he's co-dependent. She wants people to use, he expects to be used because he sees that as his only value.
I love your analytical vids! Wondering if you can assess the "perfect match" couples?
There’s a few in other videos. Although I don’t believe in the perfect match - I think there are pros and cons to each pair, some are easier to manoeuvre than others
Honestly I think majority forget these people barely know each other and are thrown into situations people in relationships for years do. I don't think anyone has a right to criticize these people. Honestly she did good for both of them. She wasn't being fake she wasn't gunna go through the experiment and waste marshall time and I respect that. He's butt hurt about it but listen you're not gunna be everyone's type and he's too damn sensitive. I can see what she meant by boss up. Some women like men who take control and initiate things. We don't always want to talk feelings. Hope the best for everyone.
This is dangerous rhetoric. There is nothing wrong with a man having feelings and implying that men who are in touch with their feelings need to “boss up” is toxic masculinity. This is why men think they have to keep their feelings to themselves. This is why men have higher suicide rates than women.
there were some many red flags when it came to Jackie. Marshall should have noticed and left her during the honeymoon
Such a great breakdown analysis coild you do celebs like Beyoncé too
How about Kardashians and their partners?
I've been Marchal, more typically a mistake from my type an ENFJ. My partner was an ISFP. We can blame people for their trauma and the way they cope with it. But in the end it's about if you are being respectful and even tho Marchal had to learn that he was trying to fix her instead of just supporting her. That isn't what we believe and know at first hand. We focuss on doing good, being a healthy partner and we work hard for that.. We do have feelings when they have melt downs and we try to be understanding and respectful at all times even tho our partners are not. So yes it's nog healthy to realise you are fixing instead of supporting but there is a fine line and it's not as harmfull no instead it's often very helpfull and healing at first untill there is this obvious power disbalanse. Guess what. He noticed it in that fight. This show is in a matter of days ofcourse you need time to progress that. We actually are the ones that are not getting enough. So when it comes to toxicity it's about an unequal relationship. It would be toxic in the long run but for now he mostly have been healing and teaching lessons. He just needs some time to realise after getting his heart broken and be so underappreciated that he shouldn't believe he has healed like he kept saying, he still needs to learn he deserves to receive love aswell and that a relationship should be more equal to make things work. But what I can say is that most of these problems between them were attachement problems, old trauma and emotional immaturity. I think it had little to do with personality. I do find it interesting what there types could be, for me it was very difficult to see it through these factors. I guess I did saw some introverted version of an Enfp but he just didn't fit the things I read about an Infp. I guess I see now for the first time a Fi that is very outward caring and lots of attention to others feelings in a way that my enfp mother does and it does looks a lot like Fe.
At first I thought Marshall was an ISFP Nurturer but now I"m leaning towards ENFJ Mentor He's a marketing manager and an ENFJ would make a good manager. Marshall seems to be diplomatic and have good people skills so I think he is a ENFJ too.
I don’t know I think Marshall is a well raised man !! I see what your saying buttt !! 🇹🇹🏴
Such a deep analysis. Im now a new subscriber! I would however say though, let us not forget Marshalls colourism displayed in okd tweets about "black women" vs "Latina women". He got what he was looking for and thought he could be her saviour. "Good men" like this make me sick. He's a vulnerable/covert narcissist with a saviour complex and Jackie is low-key a Dom and also manipulative.
You should do MAFS too!
Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn’t respect you.
I think Jackie needed someone she felt unbridled passion with and more masculine energy and possibly likes more of a dramatic relationship; more turmoil that she mistakes for passion.
So happy this video and commenters also notice his superiority complex where he focuses on all her "negatives" to avoid the messed up crap he did. I would not like it at all if someone left for a day because I said to be more aggressive in bed. That's just not right. He cannot take constructive criticism at all and made himself a victim in a situation where there wasn't one. I don't like that he acts like it's normal and that her not liking it and triggering her abandonment issues severely like that is all her fault. No guy should do that over something relatively small.
so which character Jackie suits to?
I need a session with dr Cherie
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Eiiip! I’m so excited for your video!
Okay hear me out Dr. Cherie. I disagree with you typing here. I’m getting major ESFJ vibes from Marshall.
1. Marshall defining himself on whether he can improve Jackie instead of how he can improve himself is very Fe
2. It’s very unusual for Fi dominant types to be judgmental. In my experience Fi dominant types are so concerned with individuality that they wouldn’t want to infringe upon someone else’s. Marshall seems controlling. Remember how he put his jacket over Jackie’s shoulders when he saw Josh at the party to mark his territory. Jackie tells him that she doesn’t want to wear it but he insists that she is cold. I know Jackie is a “cause” and that is very much within the wheelhouse of INFP behavior to have a cause but the reason why I don’t think this is that brings me to point number
3. Si tertiary position would not date a Jackie twice. Marshall mentions that he’s dated girls like Jackie before and this didn’t sound like it was a pleasant experience. Having both intuition (Ne) and Si Marshall would’ve have ended the relationship before it started in his own head because he would be focused on his own personal painful memories.
I would love have more of a discussion on this. I’m an INFP with an ESFJ mom and ex-boyfriend so I know I might seem biased but I feel my experience makes me an apt judge. I loved your video on typing Johnny Depp as INFJ and I would love to hear more on why you typed Marshall as an INFP.
Search for Jenny’s comment here which provides examples of Marshall’s Fi. She previously thought Marshall is Fe.
I have met INFPs who, to your first point, over focus on their loved ones at the expense of their own well-being (because of the disconnect with sensing functions), are, to your second point, judgemental of others because others do not live up to their values (even if they do not impose the values). To third point, I've met MANY INFPS who date the same dysfunctional person over and over and over again. On the other hand, I have met a few ESFJs who are good at boundaries with themselves, are rarely judgemental, and have a pretty non-dramatic dating history. I suspect that you could be generalizing your experience of dysfunctional ESFJs and imposing ESFJ typing on Marshall bc of similar dysfunction. Marshall could very well be an ESFJ, but at the end of the day, ESFJs, like all types, are not inherently the only ones prone to the issues you state above. It comes down to maturity at the end of the day. I do think there are several types who are prone to being martyrs in dysfunctional or immature levels, but that is not exclusive to ESFJS. In my field, I have a lot of exposure to martyr complexes, and they come in different flavors, such as INFP, INFJ, ENFJ, ENFP, ISFJ, etc.
One thing that Dr. Cherie's channel continues to make clear to me is that every type can be dysfunctional, just as any type can bear healthy examples in the world.
@@cass_sorrel yes I myself have done the unhealthy codependency thing. It’s a slippery slope INFPs can fall into especially if they date somebody selfish like Jackie. But after the first time, I did some introspecting and I haven’t done it again. Are we saying Marshall is an unhealthy INFP that isn’t introspecting? He didn’t give me that vibe 🤔. I will accept though that I could be generalizing. That is something INFPs do too lol. However I wasn’t just looking at only the unhealthy functions but the healthy ones too. Marshall’s decisiveness that Jackie is the one, he’s ability to take care of Jackie all the time and even the traditional way he dresses and tries to behave. He was so offended that Jackie questioned his manhood because she’s saying he is unconventional which is like a curse word to the ESFJ who want to belong to their group. He thrived in the community setting e.g: giving Brett advice that Tiffany would be the girl for him, his bringing together of the black men on the show and even encouraging them. When you saw him in the communal living he was often listening to someone or giving them advice. Even when we see his family situation Marshall is very family oriented. Marshall doesn’t seem to have a personality outside his place in society. I don’t see Fi but Fe. I’m not saying that INFPs can’t do these things either but Marshall strikes me as a healthy ESFJ not an unhealthy INFP. Even now he has not said any thing negative about Jackie and still maintains that she is a good person. I’ve seen ESFJs do that. When they like someone they like them and you cannot convince them otherwise even when that person is doing and has done horrible things.
Okay okay, I just watched the Nick Vialle interview with Marshall. I see it now lol.
It’s great that you understand the functions. It’s more accurate if you can also map how they answer questions to functions rather than just behaviors. Multiple types can “thrive” in a community, be a match maker, listen to people etc BTW I am leaving out the MBTI letters in my videos now because it confuses people.
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UGH i never thought marshall would be my same type. but damn. ive had a few jackies in my life. Romantic ideals to a fault. damn.
That’s interesting I was just making the argument that Marshall isn’t an INFP because they wouldn’t keep dating the same person. Would you mind sharing why you’ve had a few Jackie’s in your life?
@tunzlunz I always see the beauty in people's darkness. I get entwined with people that I need to take care of. Its not balanced or fair to either people in the relationship.
@@KittysLoveSpells okay. That makes sense actually. I’m guessing since you recognized the pattern you’ve grown from that person though right?
@@tunzlunz Yes! also even if it didnt work out - the love was still real and I learned from them.
@@KittysLoveSpells awww yay I’m happy for you 😁. Thanks for responding and I wish you the best.
Ay man it’s like what J Cole said
So now that you heard from Jackie and marshal that they tried to make Jackie seem like a cheater but she actually didn't, what do you think of her now?
#Passportbros
I would love for y’all to analyze me
I think they could’ve worked. But he wasn’t her type and his personality was very diff from hers. She wasn’t a dominant man and he wasn’t that
marshal deserves better
are you sure Marshall is not Fe type? I was thinking INFJ
How do you define Fe?
@@DrJamesT Extraverted Feeling. Tina, would you mind explaining what about Marshalls seems INFJ?
I agree. I was getting major Fe vibes from Marshall.
Really? Marshall radiates and screams Fi to me. He’s very introspective and attuned to his emotions. He was also so moved by Jackie that he began writing poetry. Expressing feelings that may be hidden internally.
Please see Jenny’s comment. She offers additional examples of Fi.
Jackie is just one loser who will NEVER find a kind like Marshall❤. So glad he’s happily in a relationship with a much better woman mentally n emotionally. U analyze so well
Jackie triggers me too 🫠
Jackie is broken.
I don't know that jackie doesn't care about others' feelings- she had a major breakdown and was crying hysterically in the pods after telling marshall couldn't end it with Josh
Also why couldn't she just end it with Josh? Because she felt bad and responsible for his feelings and didn't want to hurt him, that sounds like someone who cares way too much about others' feelings
Now that she didn't care about marshall's feelings when breaking up? I completely get it. He is a manipulative "nice guy" aholes who makes everything about himself and about his feelings while constantly pushing and guilt tripping people into things they're not comfortable with. He's a huge boundary crosser and every nice thing he does, he only does because he wants something in return. He is extremely entitled and acts like people owe him love (and sex) because he is "such a nice guy"
Men like marshall are dangerous.
Acting all nice while everything bothers them and they hide their aggression (you can see it in some moments though when the mask slips)
Now is jackie a good person? Nah I don't think particularly; she is a MESS and a half, but marshall knows that he repeatedly dates "messy broken" women so he can hide behind their humongous red flags- thinking that nobody will meanwhile notice that he is the actual villain. He doesn't love these women, heck he doesn't even like them. He just looooves that he looks like the hero "the first guy to ever treat them right" but that is NOT love. That's self serving and manipulative.
Interesting take!! I never viewed it this way but now I can totally see it 😳
Ooo this take is so interesting. What did Marshall do that made you think he doesn’t like women or he only dates these people to look like a hero? And how did he make everything about himself?
It's funny but
I think healthy fi would care about other people emotions
One of the components i believe many are missing is the fact that many women (like Jacki) believe they want a emotional guy. Untill thwy finally get one and realize this isn't what thwy want. The man is suppose to be the logic base of the 2. Its not to say men cant have emotions or women arent logic. The point is that women tend to follow their emotions more than logic where ass the man is logic over emotions. So now when you have the woman in her emotions and her man is just as emotional it creates an unbalanced. Many women will profess that they would kiss and sleep with a woman. However that same group will also state they will NEVER DATE a woman. Why? Because thats too much emotional energy. Where as the man quells thatband brings more logic. So in simple terms Marshall is basically a chick with a penis
it was okay until " savior Jesus complex" comment.
These shows always select deeply disturbed ppl and make a mockery of marriage and family.
I found Marshall very passive aggressive the whole time tbh
Marshall was gay or bisexual in my thinking, and Jackie needed a whole man. She liked his sensitivity and caring, because she likes to be spoiled, but that does not turn her in sexually
You are so on point. I liked Marshal and I pray that God sends him the right woman… because what one woman won’t appreciate another will.🩸😇❤️🙏🏾