I’m the person that was giving priority to pedestrians crossing. A couple of things you can’t see on camera is that I always check behind to see what the driver behind is doing and then do a hand gesture to let the driver know that I’m slowing down. 😊
Fair enough, although you'd have kept the "flow" going far more smoothly by just riding past. Imagine if the old boy had refused to cross, you'd still be there now exchanging "after you, sir" ad infinitum.
It's great to see some really good cyclists out there knowing how to keep themselves safe, help best flow for everyone, knowing the best times for priority and keeping safe within the rules. It would be nice to see all cyclists ride in good manners like these clips.
@josephmarsh8235: "It would be nice to see all cyclists ride in good manners like these clips" Same goes for vehicle drivers too, to driver in good manner too!
Not sure I entirely agree with the first clip, give way, sure, but if someone declines the priority you're offering then don't argue the point, just move on because otherwise you're essentially pressuring them to go. Plus you just get caught in a "you go, no you go, no you go" politeness loop.
Agree that when a vehicle is driving fast and is close behind our bike, it's best to not give way to let a pedestrian cross. (Assuming we have a green light of course.) The driver may not see the pedestrian or may not be expect us to stop. On the rare occasions that a pedestrian walks out anyway in front of my bike, I'm usually able to slow down and skirt around them. And if I can't avoid making some contact with the pedestrian, the pedestrian is likely to be less injured by my bike as I'm slowing than I am by a car rear-ending me.
I am not a huge fan of stopping to allow pedestrians to cross when they are not waiting at junctions or crossings. The pedestrians at 1:29 looked like they were looking beyond the car approaching so showed no intention of crossing and a nice gesture can easily go pear shaped very quickly. The situation would be different if the pedestrians were already running across or had a strong march going on and showed the classic signs if “I am a pedestrian and I have priority” then slow and let them cross. Or even if traffic in front had stopped and you was leaving the walking gap to cross but this was neither of those I have done it before where I have been too nice and caused problems. We all learn 👍
Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists need to learn to look ahead . I regularly get past expensive powerful German 60. 000£ cars on my local A road / 30 zone. I get past them by looking ahead and position myself optimally and keeping distance and options open to change lane and make sure I can see well ahead .
I definitely agree that you have to be really careful giving way to pedestrians on your bike, as cars tailgate much closer if you are riding a bike. I think as cyclists we definitely have to look after pedestrians, but i find it less of an issue on a bike anyway as the narrowness of the bike means that if a pedestrian did decide to take priority and cross then one can either take a wide line out around them or slow and go behind, both without going near the pedestrian. I always observe to see what pedestrians in front are going to do and adjust speed and road position accordingly, but I wouldnt stop to give priority in most cases.
Had an incident where a car gave a pedestrian priority suddenly without regard to who was behind them. Luckily I was in secondary position and there was space to the left of the car for some braking distance, otherwise I would have smacked into the back of the car. For my part, I was too close to the car. But myself and the van behind me was not expecting a sudden stop at a traffic island when there was other vehicles behind and the pedestrian was waiting and not stepping out.
If you're good, you always know what's going on behind you. I won't ride without a good mirror, and I check it every 3 seconds or so because things can change quickly. If a farm dog is trying to eat me, I know I can move over in the opposite lane to avoid it. Those farm dogs love them some cyclist.
If a pedestrian tells me 'it's alright', as in, I'll wait, I don't argue with them. They will have their reasons, even if one of those reasons might be just being polite. On the other hand, they may see or know something we have missed. I should add, nice cycling. Horses and HGVs require special attention and this rider did that. Talking to the horse rider is good because the horse will know you're there.
Yeah, interesting one this isn't it. Ultimately props to anyone stopping out of politeness rather than need. However someone may want to feel rushed to cross.
Watching through the playlist for nice cycling, could the other nice cycling videos (on the other channel) be put into this playlist. It would be good to have them all in one place.
Great vision, awareness and self preservation shown by your 🎥 viewers. We need to see a lot more of this. The 'us' and 'them" mentality was rather conspicuous by its overall absence. @7:25 I'm almost shocked to see a BMW use an indicator although, as stated, the road positioning was a good clue as to probable intent. Stay safe out there 👍
Some drivers won't even stop when cyclist stops at a zebra crossing when the pedestrian wants to cross or even on the crossing. Pretty dangerous if you ask me!
So far as the first clip is concerned, please clarify in terms of the Highway Code, why the pedestrian had priority? This is what HC says: "give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)" My point is whether or not this particular roundabout configuration and pedestrian ‘safe island crossing point’ comes within the HC requirements for giving priority to pedestrians. As a cyclist or driver, I don’t think you can be described as turning into or out of a junction - yet!
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling Good "evening" Ash. 10:10 am here and quite overcast. In the meantime, I know that my home city of Canterbury has had sunshine. Hopefully the same in your neck of the woods Ash.
Is it February over there yet or are you on the tail end of January? 😉 Joking of course…good morning to you all Hope the snow has cleared enough for you to get out and about safely
@@smilerbob I believe it's 2024 over here already but I'll have to check! Snow melted a while ago but it's been overcast and rainy. Incredibly, haven't seen the sun shine since arriving on January 15th. Mum and I have just been visiting a few shops here and there and a few walks plus sorting out things at the Vancouver "home". Plus mum has been a bit under the weather and quite tired with this trip, so we have been taking it easy. I myself am pretty much recovered but also feel tired at times. The good thing is we are here for considerably longer than last year (8 weeks this year, 5.5 weeks last year), which gives us the luxury of taking it a bit easier this time, up to a point. We will be attending several trade shows, including the Vancouver Wellness Show tomorrow. We're also planning to spend time across the border in Washington State on a couple of different trips. First one starting February 15th for 5 nights and we may extend it. Second cross border trip around the beginning of March for 4 or 5 nights. Hopefully will be able to meet Ken B this time. Naturally we will also sightsee around greater Vancouver. Fingers crossed we get some sunny weather soon! We will also attend the Vancouver Home Show next week. And across the border in Seattle we will attend the Northwest Flower and Garden Show at the huge Washington State Convention Center (Centre). I always like to stand on the skybridge connecting both sides of the convention Center as it offers a great view and photo opportunities with the Pike Place Market and Elliot Bay in the background. Especially at sunset. Then after the trade show, head down to the Pike Place market to further sight see. You can try googling "Pike Place Market" to get an idea. How's everything with you and family?
I must admit when people on my right at a roundabout give me priority, it does make it a touch more tricky. I know they're being nice letting me go first and get to a safer place but it always feels awkward especially when it leads to everyone waiting on everyone, and then I have to be the one to break thay and go which could possibly be more dangerous.
I think there are still major issues regarding giving way to pedestrians at junctions. I simply don't think it's sate to give way on entering a junction, or leaving a roundabout. Yes, of course, always be ready to stop for unobservant pedestrians that just step out, but stopping on entry to a junction or exiting a roundabout is almost certain to cause conflict and, because of the negligible dissemination of information on the subject, confusion. I strongly feel that this needs to be changed so that vehicles should be required give way to others lower down the hierarchy on exiting junctions or entering roundabouts only. All, of course, when it is safe to do so
At around 5:50, although not the subject of the clip, I'm surprised at how close that zebra crossing is to the exit road. I know we've discussed this whole aspect of giving pedestrians priority at roundabout exits and Ashley mentions that at the beginning of this video. I do question the wisdom of this and to have a formally marked crossing right on the exit. As a pedestrian, I'd be very wary.
This is probably a newer layout designed to improve the experience of pedestrians by placing the zebras on desire lines. Maybe you remember the video from a couple weeks ago where a girl cut across the corner at a junction rather than walking to the signalised crossing. Judging by the speed of traffic and size of roundabout, this one is probably no less safe than placing the zebras two car lengths away.
Several European countries have zebra crossings across the exit. The motorists seem to manage giving priority to those wishing to cross. Having travelled and staying longer than the week’s vacation I’d been advised by locals not to loiter near a crossing if I had no intention of crossing as motorists would stop. In fact this is also guidance in the U.K. Highway Code and you could incur some strong words of advice if you were standing with no intention of crossing.
I do find it annoying when a vehicle is stopped at a red light and only turns their indicator on once the light changes to green - Ipswich buses are quite prone to this.
This raises a really good point about cycling because, after all, a picture should bike is just another vehicle on the road. Maybe some cyclists want to go at maximum speed and while it is more effort to build the speed up on a push bike than a car, it is more effort to build speed in a more economical cat than a sports car, you wouldn't drive at full speed all the time so it's not a great idea to do the same when cycling. Was interesting to hear you mention letting a road user cross when there is nothing behind. I tend to continue if it is clear behind as that is where the road user is looking to emerge and it can slow things down and cause confusion if they are planning to get in behind you anyway
I go both ways on this depending on the situation. Both in a car and when cycling if the gap in front of me is just barely not enough for someone to emerge and I have nobody behind me and spot this situation early then it is easy to quickly grow the gap in front of me, let the person emerge or cross and I won't probably even have to fully stop. If the gap in front of me is small and behind me is a big one then as you say it may be better to keep going so that the waiting person gets the big gap they need as soon as possible and with no uncertainty about my intentions.
At 07:39 - Nice cycling - up to that point - but then they ride into the door zone going past three parked cars. that's definitely a danger point, and one that I always seek to avoid. Even if most drivers look for cyclists, some passengers don't give them a thought.
I saw a someone ride a cycle tonight with only a white light at the rear and no helmet or reflective clothing straight out on to a busy carriageway without looking, then swerve round a bus (also without looking). They then sped up as the traffic lights ahead turned to amber and rode straight through the red light. Good to see some good cycling for a change!
Plenty of great riding here that cyclingmikey could take note of, especially considering one of his more recent videos... The explatives he uses towards those who challenge his method speaks volumes.
Its fine giving way but if there is a big empty space behind you. It actually safer for everyone to carry on and let the pedestrian cross after. The last thing anyone should do is stop to give when traffic is flowing and the pedestrian feels obliged to cross especially in 2 lane traffic the last thing you want is 1 lane giving way and the other lane not giving way. Fair enough in stop start traffic but free flowing you have to be carefu that kindnesses doesn't put someone in danger.
Yep. I've been trying to be more mindful of the changes to the highway code and can say they do not work in practice. Every time it boils down to 2 outcomes 1. I fell it simply isn't safe to yield priority. 2. The pedestrian doesn't know or want to take it.
@davetkd666 it depends on the situation, timing, and everybody being aware of what's happening. So, say, coming up to a junction, then it can work . If you slow down to creep about 2.5m from the end, the junction will provide people the space and opportunity to cross. You then let them make the decision to cross. If they don't fine move on. The advantage of letting them cross in front of you rather than behind is that you provide protection from cars behind approaching and the pedestrian is more visible the cars turning into the junction ,than if crossed behind and in between. Now it does rely on people to be turning into to be aware so if turning left people should slow down before the entrance of junction and works say when it's slow traffic. Nobody is going to lose anything in thier journey time wise as they will soon catch the traffic back up. If turning right into a junction and cars are coming the opposite direction, so you can't go it's fine if they cross . If no cars are coming and the next step is going to be on the road provide the opportunity to cross. If they take it let them cross. If they stop simply go. It doesn't work everywhere but it can work certain situations. The problem is it is too hard to explain every situation in the highway code and driving or simply using the roads to also use common sense. So as a driver instead of thinking I must or should, is to think to provide the opportunity to cross. At the start if you stopped to let people cross they didn't now more will cross. It is going to take time to work and people ain't going to change how the drive overnight. Yet if people are more aware when driving of pedestrians on the pavement and not just tunnel vision on the road In front as so many are then it's still an improvement. It is simply just takes time for people's driving style to change. If you go across to Europe all these things happen more naturally. Probably as they have being doing a generation before us
The very first clip, kudos to the cyclist for giving the pedestrian priority. I might have tucked in further to the left just to protect myself from any unaware motorist coming up behind. Or simply carried on to be honest, as good a deed as that was.
I would be wary of being on the left, as you may block the drivers view of the pedestrian. It also gives an invitation for some drivers to squeeze past putting everyone at risk. Just food for thought as every situation is different and requires different risk assessment.
That’s my clip, just to let you know that I did signal the driver behind that I was slowing down to let the pedestrian cross. Also I’m always doing shoulder checks when I’m stopped to make sure of what’s going on around me. 😊
@@MattCantor21Not many drivers are aware of the slow/warning signal. I gave it once when seeing an obstruction on the exit of a roundabout. The driver ignored, squeezed through and straight into cones and works signage!
I'm a cyclist and I rate myself when navigating the roads, I find I have most problems with drivers who make 'second decisions' with excessive speeds that screws my cycling waaay up.. why can't they slow down, what's the rush, they're sitting down, why don't they enjoy the ride in their lovely motor vehicle, powered steering, away from the elements which I'm enduring even excepting their problems..how can they be soo bad on the roads!
I'm always of two minds when it comes to ceding priority to overtaking vehicles. I often wonder if it doesn't reinforce the idea bikes should get out of the way. That said, I've helped out trucks and buses before now because it's much harder for them to get past. I'd help tractors too if there were any where I cycle! 🙃
The second clip was just dangerous, inviting people to step into a carriageway when other vehicles may arrive. In the Collision Regs, the HC equivalent for ships, it is a requirement that 'the stand on vessel should not alter course or speed until collision cannot be avoided by the actions of the give way vessel alone.' This imposition of a responsibility, not a right, avoids the confusion and dithering which will otherwise arise.
The commercial areas in the first section of the video look awfully familiar. I swear they were used in some of the hazard perception clips on my recent D1 theory test.
A fine compilation. Wish all cyclists adopted this mindset & I was impressed in particular with the footage from Richmond and Twickenham. I’m local to these areas and sadly, some aren’t this well-behaved. Does anyone know the location of the Viofo clip with the zebra crossing. Looked like the Whitley Bay area, but I’m not 100% sure
what's your view on the overtake at 2:58? overtaking a cyclist whilst they are setting off and still a bit wobbly is the worst time to overtake that close.
They probably should have held back for a few moments more. What's your view on the cyclist jumping the red light at 6:01 while that are still pedestrians, crossing the road in front?
0:20 I would add that you're not just potentially putting yourself at risk by yielding to pedestrians like this when cycling, but also potentially putting the pedestrian at risk. If it's totally safe and nobody is behind, then it's ok, but often you don't actually need to stop in order to yield to a pedestrian when cycling. In this instance, just by moving towards the right side of the lane would have given the pedestrian all the space they needed to cross the road.
I don’t think it’s generally unsafe to give way like that as long as you are aware of traffic behind and slow down slowly and predictably. I do it often without problems.
@@QiuEnnan it's generally 'unsafer' to give way like this on a bicycle, as you have no protection yourself from vehicles approaching from behind and cannot offer any protection to a crossing pedestrian. I have done so myself, but it's rare I feel the need to. I would certainly never stop and beckon a pedestrian to cross when they look like they're going to wait for me when cycling. I might do in the car.
@@shm5547 That's why you need to be aware of traffic behind 👍 and make sure it's safe for you. You can offer some protection to a pedestrian if you're between the vehicles behind and them.
@@QiuEnnan I don''t think the largest cyclist would protect a pedestrian against even the smallest car. Both would end up over the bonnet or under the wheels. Nope, it's not something I will do if I can help it, far better to manoeuvre your way around the pedestrian.
I've reached the age where, if I'm going a decent distance, and somebody catches up to me, I will help them overtake when it is safe, because I'm probably not going to see them, again.
Did the cyclist force the old fella to cross the road (@0.47) when he was unwilling to? The pedestrian should be free to make their own decision. Is this good cycling? It’s lovely to see cyclists doing the right thing.
I don’t get cyclists stopping to let pedestrians cross really, Either there is someone behind and they risk getting knocked off, or there is no one behind, then they may as well continue and the pedestrians will cross 3 seconds later. Completely pointless
7.41 - Sorry, but walking in the road is bad enough. Walking with a bike in the road, is even worse. However for a full score, do both of those things on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.. wtf is that man doing 🤦
I’m the person that was giving priority to pedestrians crossing. A couple of things you can’t see on camera is that I always check behind to see what the driver behind is doing and then do a hand gesture to let the driver know that I’m slowing down. 😊
Fair enough, although you'd have kept the "flow" going far more smoothly by just riding past. Imagine if the old boy had refused to cross, you'd still be there now exchanging "after you, sir" ad infinitum.
I hereby endorse the cyclist in the. 1st video. They get my nod of approval. Most cyclists behave this way ❤
Thank you! 😊
@@MattCantor21 looks like a fantastic collection of normal cyclists. 👍🏿
@@blackcyclistI like to try my best to set a good example to others to learn by, granted that we can’t always get it right though. 😊
@@MattCantor21 I hear you. That's my whole thing too. Stay safe 👍🏿
@@blackcyclist thank you, same to you. 😊
It's great to see some really good cyclists out there knowing how to keep themselves safe, help best flow for everyone, knowing the best times for priority and keeping safe within the rules. It would be nice to see all cyclists ride in good manners like these clips.
All road users need to apply this same thought process 👍
@josephmarsh8235@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling I think you mean "It would be nice to see all drivers ride with good manners like these cyclists."
@josephmarsh8235: "It would be nice to see all cyclists ride in good manners like these clips" Same goes for vehicle drivers too, to driver in good manner too!
Not sure I entirely agree with the first clip, give way, sure, but if someone declines the priority you're offering then don't argue the point, just move on because otherwise you're essentially pressuring them to go. Plus you just get caught in a "you go, no you go, no you go" politeness loop.
Yeah it fine giving people the opportunity but if they don't want it fine. Simply move on
Thanks for your opinion, I’ll probably do it differently in that sort of situation in future. 😊
No problem, and it was still nice cycling, just maybe TOO nice cycling! :)@@MattCantor21
Yep. It was very courteous road use, but sometimes there may be a underlying reason the person hasn't crossed that you're not aware of
Agree that when a vehicle is driving fast and is close behind our bike, it's best to not give way to let a pedestrian cross. (Assuming we have a green light of course.) The driver may not see the pedestrian or may not be expect us to stop. On the rare occasions that a pedestrian walks out anyway in front of my bike, I'm usually able to slow down and skirt around them. And if I can't avoid making some contact with the pedestrian, the pedestrian is likely to be less injured by my bike as I'm slowing than I am by a car rear-ending me.
I am not a huge fan of stopping to allow pedestrians to cross when they are not waiting at junctions or crossings. The pedestrians at 1:29 looked like they were looking beyond the car approaching so showed no intention of crossing and a nice gesture can easily go pear shaped very quickly.
The situation would be different if the pedestrians were already running across or had a strong march going on and showed the classic signs if “I am a pedestrian and I have priority” then slow and let them cross. Or even if traffic in front had stopped and you was leaving the walking gap to cross but this was neither of those
I have done it before where I have been too nice and caused problems. We all learn 👍
Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists need to learn to look ahead . I regularly get past expensive powerful German 60. 000£ cars on my local A road / 30 zone. I get past them by looking ahead and position myself optimally and keeping distance and options open to change lane and make sure I can see well ahead .
I definitely agree that you have to be really careful giving way to pedestrians on your bike, as cars tailgate much closer if you are riding a bike. I think as cyclists we definitely have to look after pedestrians, but i find it less of an issue on a bike anyway as the narrowness of the bike means that if a pedestrian did decide to take priority and cross then one can either take a wide line out around them or slow and go behind, both without going near the pedestrian. I always observe to see what pedestrians in front are going to do and adjust speed and road position accordingly, but I wouldnt stop to give priority in most cases.
Had an incident where a car gave a pedestrian priority suddenly without regard to who was behind them. Luckily I was in secondary position and there was space to the left of the car for some braking distance, otherwise I would have smacked into the back of the car.
For my part, I was too close to the car. But myself and the van behind me was not expecting a sudden stop at a traffic island when there was other vehicles behind and the pedestrian was waiting and not stepping out.
Well said.
If you're good, you always know what's going on behind you. I won't ride without a good mirror, and I check it every 3 seconds or so because things can change quickly. If a farm dog is trying to eat me, I know I can move over in the opposite lane to avoid it. Those farm dogs love them some cyclist.
If a pedestrian tells me 'it's alright', as in, I'll wait, I don't argue with them. They will have their reasons, even if one of those reasons might be just being polite. On the other hand, they may see or know something we have missed.
I should add, nice cycling. Horses and HGVs require special attention and this rider did that. Talking to the horse rider is good because the horse will know you're there.
Yeah, interesting one this isn't it. Ultimately props to anyone stopping out of politeness rather than need. However someone may want to feel rushed to cross.
Watching through the playlist for nice cycling, could the other nice cycling videos (on the other channel) be put into this playlist. It would be good to have them all in one place.
Great vision, awareness and self preservation shown by your 🎥 viewers. We need to see a lot more of this.
The 'us' and 'them" mentality was rather conspicuous by its overall absence.
@7:25 I'm almost shocked to see a BMW use an indicator although, as stated, the road positioning was a good clue as to probable intent.
Stay safe out there 👍
Some of the Twitter cycling fraternity will be furious at Ashley suggesting that holding back can help diffuse potential risk.
I just don’t understand their mindset. I drive & cycle and agree with Ashley’s views. We all have to share the road & it should be safe for everyone
The majority of those clips made me hanker for warm days in the saddle!
Some drivers won't even stop when cyclist stops at a zebra crossing when the pedestrian wants to cross or even on the crossing. Pretty dangerous if you ask me!
...and some cyclists don't stop in the same situation also 👍
So far as the first clip is concerned, please clarify in terms of the Highway Code, why the pedestrian had priority? This is what HC says:
"give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)"
My point is whether or not this particular roundabout configuration and pedestrian ‘safe island crossing point’ comes within the HC requirements for giving priority to pedestrians. As a cyclist or driver, I don’t think you can be described as turning into or out of a junction - yet!
6.05 YES. People on bikes should think of this more often, especially on narrow country roads.
Greetings from Vancouver Canada, 8 hours behind the UK. Will watch with great interest. Hope all is well back in the UK.
Morning Ibrahim!
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling Good "evening" Ash. 10:10 am here and quite overcast. In the meantime, I know that my home city of Canterbury has had sunshine. Hopefully the same in your neck of the woods Ash.
Is it February over there yet or are you on the tail end of January? 😉 Joking of course…good morning to you all
Hope the snow has cleared enough for you to get out and about safely
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I didn't realise that a person could feel "overcast" but I'm sure that you were talking about the Weather 😁 lol.
@@smilerbob I believe it's 2024 over here already but I'll have to check!
Snow melted a while ago but it's been overcast and rainy. Incredibly, haven't seen the sun shine since arriving on January 15th. Mum and I have just been visiting a few shops here and there and a few walks plus sorting out things at the Vancouver "home". Plus mum has been a bit under the weather and quite tired with this trip, so we have been taking it easy. I myself am pretty much recovered but also feel tired at times. The good thing is we are here for considerably longer than last year (8 weeks this year, 5.5 weeks last year), which gives us the luxury of taking it a bit easier this time, up to a point. We will be attending several trade shows, including the Vancouver Wellness Show tomorrow. We're also planning to spend time across the border in Washington State on a couple of different trips. First one starting February 15th for 5 nights and we may extend it. Second cross border trip around the beginning of March for 4 or 5 nights. Hopefully will be able to meet Ken B this time.
Naturally we will also sightsee around greater Vancouver. Fingers crossed we get some sunny weather soon! We will also attend the Vancouver Home Show next week. And across the border in Seattle we will attend the Northwest Flower and Garden Show at the huge Washington State Convention Center (Centre). I always like to stand on the skybridge connecting both sides of the convention Center as it offers a great view and photo opportunities with the Pike Place Market and Elliot Bay in the background. Especially at sunset. Then after the trade show, head down to the Pike Place market to further sight see. You can try googling "Pike Place Market" to get an idea.
How's everything with you and family?
I must admit when people on my right at a roundabout give me priority, it does make it a touch more tricky. I know they're being nice letting me go first and get to a safer place but it always feels awkward especially when it leads to everyone waiting on everyone, and then I have to be the one to break thay and go which could possibly be more dangerous.
I think there are still major issues regarding giving way to pedestrians at junctions. I simply don't think it's sate to give way on entering a junction, or leaving a roundabout. Yes, of course, always be ready to stop for unobservant pedestrians that just step out, but stopping on entry to a junction or exiting a roundabout is almost certain to cause conflict and, because of the negligible dissemination of information on the subject, confusion. I strongly feel that this needs to be changed so that vehicles should be required give way to others lower down the hierarchy on exiting junctions or entering roundabouts only. All, of course, when it is safe to do so
At around 5:50, although not the subject of the clip, I'm surprised at how close that zebra crossing is to the exit road. I know we've discussed this whole aspect of giving pedestrians priority at roundabout exits and Ashley mentions that at the beginning of this video. I do question the wisdom of this and to have a formally marked crossing right on the exit. As a pedestrian, I'd be very wary.
This is probably a newer layout designed to improve the experience of pedestrians by placing the zebras on desire lines. Maybe you remember the video from a couple weeks ago where a girl cut across the corner at a junction rather than walking to the signalised crossing.
Judging by the speed of traffic and size of roundabout, this one is probably no less safe than placing the zebras two car lengths away.
Several European countries have zebra crossings across the exit. The motorists seem to manage giving priority to those wishing to cross. Having travelled and staying longer than the week’s vacation I’d been advised by locals not to loiter near a crossing if I had no intention of crossing as motorists would stop. In fact this is also guidance in the U.K. Highway Code and you could incur some strong words of advice if you were standing with no intention of crossing.
I do find it annoying when a vehicle is stopped at a red light and only turns their indicator on once the light changes to green - Ipswich buses are quite prone to this.
Many Manchester buses wouldn't have stopped at the red light in the first place!
This raises a really good point about cycling because, after all, a picture should bike is just another vehicle on the road. Maybe some cyclists want to go at maximum speed and while it is more effort to build the speed up on a push bike than a car, it is more effort to build speed in a more economical cat than a sports car, you wouldn't drive at full speed all the time so it's not a great idea to do the same when cycling. Was interesting to hear you mention letting a road user cross when there is nothing behind. I tend to continue if it is clear behind as that is where the road user is looking to emerge and it can slow things down and cause confusion if they are planning to get in behind you anyway
I go both ways on this depending on the situation. Both in a car and when cycling if the gap in front of me is just barely not enough for someone to emerge and I have nobody behind me and spot this situation early then it is easy to quickly grow the gap in front of me, let the person emerge or cross and I won't probably even have to fully stop. If the gap in front of me is small and behind me is a big one then as you say it may be better to keep going so that the waiting person gets the big gap they need as soon as possible and with no uncertainty about my intentions.
videos like this warm my soul! Thanks!
You see plenty of videos showing bad cyclists and the type provoking incidents so its great to see videos like this that show nice examples of cycling
At 07:39 - Nice cycling - up to that point - but then they ride into the door zone going past three parked cars. that's definitely a danger point, and one that I always seek to avoid. Even if most drivers look for cyclists, some passengers don't give them a thought.
I saw a someone ride a cycle tonight with only a white light at the rear and no helmet or reflective clothing straight out on to a busy carriageway without looking, then swerve round a bus (also without looking). They then sped up as the traffic lights ahead turned to amber and rode straight through the red light. Good to see some good cycling for a change!
Plenty of great riding here that cyclingmikey could take note of, especially considering one of his more recent videos... The explatives he uses towards those who challenge his method speaks volumes.
Its fine giving way but if there is a big empty space behind you. It actually safer for everyone to carry on and let the pedestrian cross after. The last thing anyone should do is stop to give when traffic is flowing and the pedestrian feels obliged to cross especially in 2 lane traffic the last thing you want is 1 lane giving way and the other lane not giving way. Fair enough in stop start traffic but free flowing you have to be carefu that kindnesses doesn't put someone in danger.
Yep.
I've been trying to be more mindful of the changes to the highway code and can say they do not work in practice.
Every time it boils down to 2 outcomes
1. I fell it simply isn't safe to yield priority.
2. The pedestrian doesn't know or want to take it.
@davetkd666 it depends on the situation, timing, and everybody being aware of what's happening. So, say, coming up to a junction, then it can work . If you slow down to creep about 2.5m from the end, the junction will provide people the space and opportunity to cross. You then let them make the decision to cross. If they don't fine move on. The advantage of letting them cross in front of you rather than behind is that you provide protection from cars behind approaching and the pedestrian is more visible the cars turning into the junction ,than if crossed behind and in between. Now it does rely on people to be turning into to be aware so if turning left people should slow down before the entrance of junction and works say when it's slow traffic. Nobody is going to lose anything in thier journey time wise as they will soon catch the traffic back up. If turning right into a junction and cars are coming the opposite direction, so you can't go it's fine if they cross . If no cars are coming and the next step is going to be on the road provide the opportunity to cross. If they take it let them cross. If they stop simply go. It doesn't work everywhere but it can work certain situations. The problem is it is too hard to explain every situation in the highway code and driving or simply using the roads to also use common sense. So as a driver instead of thinking I must or should, is to think to provide the opportunity to cross. At the start if you stopped to let people cross they didn't now more will cross. It is going to take time to work and people ain't going to change how the drive overnight. Yet if people are more aware when driving of pedestrians on the pavement and not just tunnel vision on the road In front as so many are then it's still an improvement. It is simply just takes time for people's driving style to change. If you go across to Europe all these things happen more naturally. Probably as they have being doing a generation before us
The very first clip, kudos to the cyclist for giving the pedestrian priority. I might have tucked in further to the left just to protect myself from any unaware motorist coming up behind. Or simply carried on to be honest, as good a deed as that was.
I would be wary of being on the left, as you may block the drivers view of the pedestrian. It also gives an invitation for some drivers to squeeze past putting everyone at risk. Just food for thought as every situation is different and requires different risk assessment.
@@HanOfGod13 I did think about that actually and you raise some valid points. As with every situation, it's a bit of a balancing act.
That’s my clip, just to let you know that I did signal the driver behind that I was slowing down to let the pedestrian cross. Also I’m always doing shoulder checks when I’m stopped to make sure of what’s going on around me. 😊
@@MattCantor21Not many drivers are aware of the slow/warning signal. I gave it once when seeing an obstruction on the exit of a roundabout. The driver ignored, squeezed through and straight into cones and works signage!
@@TheGiff7 that’s a good point, it would be good if there was a way to give drivers an insight of the different hand gestures.
I'm a cyclist and I rate myself when navigating the roads, I find I have most problems with drivers who make 'second decisions' with excessive speeds that screws my cycling waaay up.. why can't they slow down, what's the rush, they're sitting down, why don't they enjoy the ride in their lovely motor vehicle, powered steering, away from the elements which I'm enduring even excepting their problems..how can they be soo bad on the roads!
I just happened to note that in my state, it is illegal for a road user to overtake or go alongside a truck (lorry) in a roundabout.
I'm always of two minds when it comes to ceding priority to overtaking vehicles. I often wonder if it doesn't reinforce the idea bikes should get out of the way.
That said, I've helped out trucks and buses before now because it's much harder for them to get past. I'd help tractors too if there were any where I cycle! 🙃
The second clip was just dangerous, inviting people to step into a carriageway when other vehicles may arrive. In the Collision Regs, the HC equivalent for ships, it is a requirement that 'the stand on vessel should not alter course or speed until collision cannot be avoided by the actions of the give way vessel alone.' This imposition of a responsibility, not a right, avoids the confusion and dithering which will otherwise arise.
I think ive learnt something from the clip towards the end of the cyclist giving room to the lorry on the roundabout. Good idea.
The commercial areas in the first section of the video look awfully familiar. I swear they were used in some of the hazard perception clips on my recent D1 theory test.
A fine compilation. Wish all cyclists adopted this mindset & I was impressed in particular with the footage from Richmond and Twickenham. I’m local to these areas and sadly, some aren’t this well-behaved.
Does anyone know the location of the Viofo clip with the zebra crossing. Looked like the Whitley Bay area, but I’m not 100% sure
6:30 , that's more than slightly uphill. Hill Rise in Richmond.
2nd clip is Twickenham SW London
what's your view on the overtake at 2:58? overtaking a cyclist whilst they are setting off and still a bit wobbly is the worst time to overtake that close.
They probably should have held back for a few moments more. What's your view on the cyclist jumping the red light at 6:01 while that are still pedestrians, crossing the road in front?
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling 100% unacceptable and just encourages the false belief that all cyclists jump red lights.
*Excellent compilation!*
0:20 I would add that you're not just potentially putting yourself at risk by yielding to pedestrians like this when cycling, but also potentially putting the pedestrian at risk. If it's totally safe and nobody is behind, then it's ok, but often you don't actually need to stop in order to yield to a pedestrian when cycling. In this instance, just by moving towards the right side of the lane would have given the pedestrian all the space they needed to cross the road.
I don’t think it’s generally unsafe to give way like that as long as you are aware of traffic behind and slow down slowly and predictably. I do it often without problems.
@@QiuEnnan it's generally 'unsafer' to give way like this on a bicycle, as you have no protection yourself from vehicles approaching from behind and cannot offer any protection to a crossing pedestrian. I have done so myself, but it's rare I feel the need to. I would certainly never stop and beckon a pedestrian to cross when they look like they're going to wait for me when cycling. I might do in the car.
@@shm5547 That's why you need to be aware of traffic behind 👍 and make sure it's safe for you. You can offer some protection to a pedestrian if you're between the vehicles behind and them.
@@QiuEnnan I don''t think the largest cyclist would protect a pedestrian against even the smallest car. Both would end up over the bonnet or under the wheels. Nope, it's not something I will do if I can help it, far better to manoeuvre your way around the pedestrian.
@@shm5547 Drivers are unlikely to intentionally drive into you, so you are offering them protection.
I'm not worthy.
I respectfully disagree 👍
Hi Ashley
I am in Liverpool and looking for driving instructor.Are you available or know someone who is and covering Toxteth area
I've reached the age where, if I'm going a decent distance, and somebody catches up to me, I will help them overtake when it is safe, because I'm probably not going to see them, again.
Did the cyclist force the old fella to cross the road (@0.47) when he was unwilling to? The pedestrian should be free to make their own decision. Is this good cycling? It’s lovely to see cyclists doing the right thing.
7:02 recumbent giving way to tractor? He needs to go faster. (recumbents are seriously fast)
4:08 - I can't think _who_ you mean, Ash ... 😉
Great video as usual and some awesome cycling. Some idiot drivers but also some good teamwork by different road users.
I don’t get cyclists stopping to let pedestrians cross really,
Either there is someone behind and they risk getting knocked off, or there is no one behind, then they may as well continue and the pedestrians will cross 3 seconds later.
Completely pointless
Some very nice cycling and some daft drivers .🤔
Wouldn't life on the roads be far simpler if all cyclits acted in this way, i suppose we can dream.
Life would be much simpler on the roads if all motorists drove better as well.
So I'll summarise. The roads would be much simpler if all road users did better, hence my channels. Thank you both for your support!
Flat bars and knobbly of course they will let them cross the road.
That’s my clips, I’m a delivery cyclist too. 😊
7.41 - Sorry, but walking in the road is bad enough. Walking with a bike in the road, is even worse. However for a full score, do both of those things on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD.. wtf is that man doing 🤦