+Yu Narukami Dude! His father died in his timeline before he knew him. If anything this was a miracle. A whole year with a dead father. People would kill for that chance.
He's amused at just how much Goku underestimates his level at this point and how much weaker Cell is than him. Cell needs 3x stronger than unmastered SSJ at this point, but for Vegeta that's too easy. Cell was getting wrecked proper in that fight. So he should be like 8x stronger. Only Goku gives a much bigger shock to him when it's his turn. So make it like 8x stronger. When Cell got perfect, he seems like 5x stronger than Vegeta, given he didn't ever even flex (except final flash). So to fight even with Cell, Goku would have to be 40x or so stronger in that one year of training.
@@danslandmunro351 Well, goku knew vegeta strenght before the training, so when he says that he would need to at least triple his power to fight cell, is probably accurate. And vegeta laughs implies he went way beyond triple strenght, so i would say 4-6 times before entering.
Goku: Vegeta i really suggest you listen to Piccolo and Tien i mean youd have to triple your strength to stand a chance Vegeta: Heheheheheh Goku: Oh shit
Goku:"You'd have to tripple your..moustache, moustacheeee moustacheeee" Vegeta:"Anyone know why Kakarot is dancing around and yelling about facial hair?...! and where are those techno beats coming from?" ua-cam.com/video/JTpBboskhqA/v-deo.html
But instead of just wiping him off the face of the earth, he knew there was something more important at hand. People really hate on vegita but this is really one of those moments that I think alot of folks forget about. He had Goku dead to rights here and choose not to take advantage.
@@halloweenjack95like trunks said to krillin, vegeta ego keeps him pushing so they play weak so he stays focused. Goku easily could have wrecked vegeta many times. In each saga goku could have beat him if he really wanted to
This shows how intelligent Goku really is in his "Battle Strength" strategy. He realized once he reached his maximum power as a Super Saiyan that actually MASTERING the Super Saiyan state was the next step.
@@MGrey-qb5xz Vegeta pretty much trained his base power level exclusively during this time. It helped him tremendously up to Semi-Perfect Cell, but the multiplier of Super Saiyan just wasn't enough to let him hold up beyond, and he had issues with energy depletion maintaining the form. Goku realized the next step in the power progression (and sticking it to Vegeta) wasn't just improving base strength, it was adding stacking multipliers with higher Super Saiyan levels. It's also why he fixed the energy leaking problem, and saw the flaws in false Super Saiyan 2 that Trunks didn't
@@wikipediafollower no this is actually wrong vegeta didn’t train his base power level he trained his super saiyan to grade 2 - 3 once he discovered 3 Vegeta being a combat genius knew it despite the power it would be useless in battle but he knew grade 2 was more than capable to handle cell & the androids so he trained on that , where he went wrong & Goku went right was Goku easily trained to grade 2-3 but easily noticed the flaws in both so Goku trained to fully master super saiyan harnessing both the strength & speed of grade 2-3 but at certain times all in super saiyans natural state retaining the energy from powering up instead of letting it flow out of his body achieving grade 4 mastery of the supersaiyan transformation
+Cieciowski he's a saiyan of course he's gonna have that burning curiosity in him and Goku was always like that as well maybe because they were both pure saiyan blood.
This is something, the one point in time where Goku didn't even stand a chance against Vegeta. Vegeta was on another level compared to Goku at this point. Really cool to see this clip.
i was just about to write the same its sick that this is the only time in dragonball history vegeta was surpassed goku, he wasnt at scouter because of gokus kaioken x3 obviously
ahc2599 Vegeta was technically more powerful than Goku back during the Saiyan Saga and during the earliest stages of the Frieza Saga, but Goku was classified as more powerful BECAUSE of the Kaioken ability.
TerrorofDeath1229 Sure that is true, but Goku still beat him down. If you read my comment thoroughly, it said that this is the only point in time where Goku didn't even remotely have a chance of beating Vegeta. Vegeta here is on a completely different level than Goku, Goku wouldn't even be able to put a dent in Vegeta. Vegeta would wipe the floor with Goku here.
After Goku told Vegeta he had to have tripled his strength in order to stand a chance, that laugh Vegeta gave at 2:00 basically said this, "bitch, I did."
Lmao true, and Goku said to triple his strength just to STAND UP to Cell. And as we saw Vegeta raped Semi Perfect Cell and even cut of Perfect Cell's arm.
I love how they showed the image of Vegeta being bigger than Goku. Showing that at this point in time he is much stronger than Goku is. God I love the original
No shit he trained for a year but once Goku went in guess what happened yeah Goku became stronger again so your point is irrelevant. And yes it would go back and forth if they kept going into the time chamber.
@@rrogers2370 he's not pointing out a concept he was pointing out a irrelevant "fact" so no point in telling me to chill when I didn't come at him crazy but then again people are soft these days
0:56 - 1:02 that brief exchange between goku and vegeta was a great look into their competitive nature as to who has the upper edge. Those smirks and the Vegeta powers up OST enhanced the scene. I also love piccolo's interjection at 1:16. He just has a way of stating his thoughts rationalizing a proper approach to a situation. I felt Goku's shocked expression when he realizes Vegeta increased his strength exponentially.
Piccolo is such a wise character despite being one of the main Z fighters through most of the show. Even when he stops fighting in the Buu arc he’s still involved in the story for a reason
@@tomato2517 not to mention his mentorship capabilities to the younger fighters particularly that of Gohan, and then goten and trunks. I think piccolo deserved more honestly in terms of plot participation, fights etc…. To give credit, his battle with 17 was perhaps one of my favorites but seemingly underrated to the general masses
This scene is incredible because Goku's "sixth sense" was ineffective against Vegeta and Trunks. They were the strongest fighters on the planet by a huge margin and Goku couldn't sense it. Goku sincerely doubted Vegeta could handle Cell but couldn't figure out why Vegeta was so cocky which is why he stood there confused as his sixth sense wasn't detecting anything, and Vegeta knew that he was incredibly stronger than both Cell and Goku standing before him.
He did detect it at the end. And when he said "it worked I guess." But anyway, power levels can't be felt unless they are actually powered up. I'm sure Goku sensed Trunks as well. But the thing is, Goku was right, Vegeta still lost.
Goku was just perplexed because vegeta was masking his power level and goku didnt know jus how much they grown. he said triple because he was scaling vegeta to see jus where he might be. But goku found a flaw before vegeta knew of it
Has anyone ever thought how weird it must be to step out of that room after a supposed year? "hey guys, sorry we've been away so long" "erm, we saw you yesterday"... "oh right yeah... weird" Must be a total mindfuck, to leave and find that year you spent in there only passed a day outside.
This is one of the reasons I like this saga so much. Goku and Vegeta are constantly passing each other up in this saga. Vegeta still has legitimate animosity towards Goku.
@@Dakidpepe what a dumbas* you are this all day training is the reason Vegeta is 3rd most strongest mortal in the entire multiverse whereas all the other z warriors in dbs just became completely insignificant you should stop watching anime because u have a pea brain
@@Mani-jg9sf, I mean they train a lot too but it wouldn't matter even if they trained as much as Vegeta. As a saiyan his strength surpasses them too easily even before any transformations.
I mean, he certainly could but 1) Cell was the strongest guy at the moment 2) Wouldn't be fair to fight Goku when he didn't go to the Time Chamber as well Both reasons led by pride
@@MatheusLB2009 Vegeta even said himself Trunks was almost as strong as he was himself, as long as he doesnt use super sluggish saiyan. Its doubtful that he couldve just taken on Trunks Piccolo and Goku simultaneously. Also, if he succeeded in killing Goku that wouldve likely triggered Gohans transformation too, potentially even his SS2.
Watching this clip you can see how much more brilliant DBZ is compared to DBS. You can feel the maturity, the despair, the honesty of each character. Goku actually seems like an experienced adult - not some dumb simple character that DBS portrays. Vegeta feels like a warrior who holds an unbearable amount of pride and truly believes in himself. In DBS his characteristics were too plain and linear to feel wholesome and honest. Or rather they didn't put in enough effort or screentime to make his character more profound and intriguing. I don't know. I just know this scene alone shows a stark difference in depth between DBZ and DBS
I definitely think you make some good points, especially when it comes to Vegeta's character. In DBZ, Vegeta is portrayed as being an extremely intimidating, unapproachable antihero throughout the Android and Cell sagas. He is selfish, violent, and downright detestable. And yet, he isn't a one-note character during these sagas because we see his redeeming qualities, too: we can respect his drive to be the best, his relentless work ethic, and his sheer talent in combat. We also see the first inklings of compassion in his character when Trunks is killed, and he even has some touching moments with Bulma during his training period before the time skip. In Super, Vegeta is still a very complex character, but he loses a lot of the edge that made him so compelling in DBZ. This makes sense from a narrative standpoint because he has accepted his life as a family man. It's also fascinating to see the goofy side of his personality as he desperately tries to please Beerus and Whis for the sake of his loved ones and the Earth. Still, Vegeta is less compelling as the "hardass with a heart of gold" because he doesn't keep us on our toes the way he did in the early arcs of DBZ. We just want to see him gain some measure of success in his goal to surpass Goku, and we don't really get to see that happen throughout any of Super's 131 episodes. His character just seems to be in stasis throughout Super: he's trying to surpass his rivals, and he always seems to be on the cusp of doing this, but he never quite reaches his goal. That lack of development is frustrating, to say the least. Danny the Red, thanks for giving me something to think about concerning this franchise that I love. You've made me appreciate the artistry of Dragon Ball and its characters to an even greater extent than I ever did before.
they just had a lot of money back then cause of the economic boom, these days event western cartoons are leaps and bounds better then animes like super and one piece
Bro please. Please just shut. The fuck. Up. Oh my god. You had to have typed this comment for nearly an hour to write this shit. Get a hobby or a job or something. Goddamn.
That's interesting. Vegeta got more than triple the times stronger in the chamber. The way he smiled and interrupted Karakot, showing his confidence. It was beautiful and so smug . Enough words were said
@@srinitaaigaura The funny thing is both Goku and Vegeta got over 10x stronger in one zenkai boost on namek. So how would Goku be surprised that Vegeta would be able to more than triple his strength in a year.
@@adewilson132because they got no clue what would it be to become stronger than super saiyan. On namek they had a target to achieve. Now they have no idea what transcending further gonna be.
My College professor for my Fitness class is a huge fan of DBZ and joined in on a conversation me and my buddies were having on Goku and Vegeta's strength. He looked at it from a fitness standpoint and mentioned Another reason Goku was stronger than Vegeta most of the time was that he let himself rest. Vegeta trained Hardcore all day everyday and Goku trained like a beast but he always gave time to let his body rest and recuperate so he could get more out of it. In athletics unless you are on steroids that is very true. Rest helps a lot with building strength and power
Once the muscles are worn, they need time to recover. Without that, you're just constantly damaging them and not allowing them to become as strong as they would otherwise
The only time in this anime’s history where Vegeta was significantly more powerful than Goku. If Trunks wasn’t there, he could most likely solo the whole squad.
@@christophergonzalez6433 that’s why I said he was SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful. Vegeta was stronger when they first met, but not so powerful that he could do to Goku what Super Vegeta did to Semi Perfect Cell. At this point, Vegeta could turn evil again and rule the planet with ease. If Trunks wasn’t there that is
@@TheseEyesSeeDarknessClearly7 you're forgetting the fact that Vegeta becomes more powerful than mostly anyone when he's extremely pissed off. Just kill Bulma and see what happens haha
That end moment put Goku on the path to surpass Vegeta when he realized Vegeta tripled his strength after training in the time chamber room. Instinctively, Goku realized just how special this room was that's why he used it to power up in a different way totally outshining Vegeta.
I loved how trunks explains that Vegeta had already completed his training in just a few months butt still stayed to get the most out of the HTC... Just shows how strong this Saiyan is
It also shows how ineffective Vegeta trains. He did all that extra time with little results but Goku stayed the entire year as well and got better results
@@c.galindo9639 yeah goku can train much better than vegeta. if they had the same training, or even if they trained together, there might not even be a reason for gohan to face perfect cell
@@talonapex9775 it can be argued also that Goku training with Gohan helped him get stronger but who knows when that happened during their training for it to make a difference between them two or Gohan’s burst just gave Goku the indication that he should stop as he doesn’t need to get stronger for Cell
richard tovar Yeah true dbz was a lot more better. Even though im up to date with super its still shit lol. Also in super I think trunks has a different coloured jacket similiar to the one his wearing in this episode. Butyeah the animation us very bad in super.
Goku : And hey, Vegeta! Wow, you guys sure got strong, huh? Vegeta : That's right Kakarot, and you wouldn't *believe* just how much! You see, while I was training in the depths of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, I looked *deep* within myself and _bla bla bla bla bla, pride, bla bla, prince of all bla bla bla Super Saiyan, bla bla bla._ And through all of that, I have ascended! That's right: I have reached a new level. DO YOU HEAR ME, KAKAROT?! I AM FINALLY *STRONGER THAN YOU!!* Goku: Neat! Vegeta: *F*CK YOU!*
The soundtrack at 1:15 (same one that was used before Vegeta sacrificed himself vs Buu) adds so much to the scene. Really intensifies the gravity of the situation as they need to stop Cell. No other DBZ compares to original Funimation with Faulconer soundtrack.
Honestly, the Cell Saga was a really good Saga. Utilizing the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, gravity being 10x heavier than the normal gravity (according to Goku telling Gohan when they stepped in). Absolutely insane training in a room without a definite end, an environment with very heated air, etc.
Vegeta was at that moment the strongest fighter on Earth. For less than a few hours until he decided to let Cell become perfect and Goku and Gohan emerge from the Time Chamber.
And then Vegeta did the "Vegeta thing" and let the Villain recuperate. Honestly Goku and Vegeta are so competitive that it probably costs millions of lives each time they don't destroy the villain when they have the advantage.
@@joshuadickey5275 I mean I still think he's awesome but he really didn't DO anything cool (he still totally should've been the one to defeat cell) whereas before he actually DID cool stuff
Coolest thing about this scene is that, as of this moment, Vegeta is significantly more powerful than Goku. For one of the only times in the history of DBZ. His code as a warrior stops him from just wasting Goku right then and there, he knows he has to let Goku also get the same year in the chamber for it to be an honorable comparison/fight.
***** that was an extremely close battle, they both did a lot of damage to each other. yes, Vegeta definitely would have killed Goku as a great ape, but that was his last resort... the OP is talking about Vegeta winning by a landslide. in this clip, Vegeta could have killed Goku without taking any damage at all
Anonymous .AMV its funny how ppl who suck up to vegeta and say he's stronger than him even when he says goku is stronger than him.. people are kinda sad. goku is is always one step ahead of him.
+Nintendo player vegeta and trunks were the only ones through the time chamber at this point. He is stronger than everyone there at this point including goku
until goku could turn ss3 and after cell vegeta only went super saiyan 1 when he fought buu and the fact that when buu came in goku was the only one who could manage to defend him self. so vegeta is weak through most of dragonball z.. but i'll admit he has few moments.
Everyone was upset that Vegeta had surpassed them greatly. They knew he had become stronger than ever and couldn’t stand that he was actually right about being able to single handedly taking on Cell.
"I mean, you'd have to triple your strength to stand...a..chance...." - Goku *Infamous Vegeta Smirk* Seeing Goku surprised at how Vegeta was confident was really good to see. Normally Vegeta is the one who is awe struck at Goku surpassing his limits but on this rare occasion, Goku is the one who is in awe. Good scene.
Goku : And hey Vegeta! Wow, you guys sure got strong, huh? Vegeta : That's right Kakarot, and you wouldn't *believe* just how much! You see, while I was training in the depths of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, I looked *deep* within myself and _bla bla bla bla bla, pride, bla bla, prince of all bla bla bla Super Saiyan, bla bla bla._
That's debatable. Remember that Vegeta could bulk his muscles up just like Trunks (off screen) but he saw that slow form as a weakness so didn't bother. I still think Vegeta was the strongest character right at this moment because he could already do what Trunks did vs Perfect Cell.
I think Vegeta always respected the way Tien went at Nappa. Think about how Cui, Dodoria, and Zarbon all tried to beg Vegeta not to kill them once they found out they had no chance. Tien on the other hand in the same situation against Nappa put all his energy in one attack just to damage Nappa as much as possible. Vegeta most likely thinks Tien is a legit crazy person.
Vegeta was always harder on future trunks but he loved and respected him so much he just couldn't admit it. I learned something future trunks was Vegeta's favorite one. He loved president day trunks. But that future trunks had his heart. Sometimes parents are hard on you because they wants what's best for you. My mom act like that towards me she's hard on me but she does that because she knows I have tough skin and imma fighter and she knows my potential. So trust when your parents are hard on you they want you to be the best or you will be nothing.
@@ChiquitaSpeaks actually he was after they came out of the hyperbolic time chamber trunks was stronger then vegeta but not by much he was only slightly stronger then vegeta they were almost even at this point "almost."
It was a moment I realized that trunks was related to the LARGEST amount of freaking narcissism in one man. Enough so that anyone else could drown in it.
1st rule of training with Vegeta is you don't talk about training with Vegeta.
Eyobed Mesfun 😂😂😂😂 😏👌
2 rule of mister popo training
Eyobed Mesfun that s true in martial arts training should never be discussed it stays in the dojo or in this case the chamber
@@michaelbull8173 its a tfs reference and its a pretty good one
TRAINING BEGINS NOW! POW
A whole year in a desolate silent place with no one but Vegeta for company. I'm so sorry, Trunks..
+Yu Narukami
*Oh my God, first piece of positive reenforcement in over a year! Respond appropriately!*
"Thank you, I grew it myself."
*Damn it!*
+Yu Narukami Per-so-na!
+Yu Narukami Dude! His father died in his timeline before he knew him. If anything this was a miracle. A whole year with a dead father. People would kill for that chance.
Goku did 3
Unless it's this kind of father.
I love the way Vegeta cuts off Goku in mid sentence with his laugh 😅🤣
Lol
He's amused at just how much Goku underestimates his level at this point and how much weaker Cell is than him. Cell needs 3x stronger than unmastered SSJ at this point, but for Vegeta that's too easy. Cell was getting wrecked proper in that fight. So he should be like 8x stronger.
Only Goku gives a much bigger shock to him when it's his turn. So make it like 8x stronger. When Cell got perfect, he seems like 5x stronger than Vegeta, given he didn't ever even flex (except final flash). So to fight even with Cell, Goku would have to be 40x or so stronger in that one year of training.
@@srinitaaigaurawhere the hell are you getting these numbers😂
@@danslandmunro351😂😂😂
@@danslandmunro351 Well, goku knew vegeta strenght before the training, so when he says that he would need to at least triple his power to fight cell, is probably accurate. And vegeta laughs implies he went way beyond triple strenght, so i would say 4-6 times before entering.
“There’s no need to attempt the training kakarot because I’m sure you would not survive it” 😂😂😂 so badass
He was beaten in the past and he is talking like he is omega.
Badass???
More like being a afraid goku would surpass him which he did lol
What’s badass is when Goku comes out the chamber and says he’s far stronger than Vegeta
He knows Goku is a threat to him if he actually trains and doesn’t want to be surpassed, again
Vegeta is the best shit talker ever
TyTimeIsAwesome and he is also the father of epic dialogues.
nothing epic just overconfident shitttt
frieze gives him a run for his money
Lol thats like saying the sky's blue😂💯
@@genericuser-1 happens every time lol
Goku: Vegeta i really suggest you listen to Piccolo and Tien i mean youd have to triple your strength to stand a chance
Vegeta: Heheheheheh
Goku: Oh shit
Sonicboom yea Goku knew
Goku:"You'd have to tripple your..moustache, moustacheeee moustacheeee"
Vegeta:"Anyone know why Kakarot is dancing around and yelling about facial hair?...! and where are those techno beats coming from?"
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Lmao the confidence in his laugh said it all
But the real question is, how on earth did he get THAT much stronger in only one year?
@@surelock3221 it's said the deeper you go into the chamber the harder it is to survive
Vegeta looks so dang happy to surpass Kakarot here 🤣 didn't last for long LOL
But instead of just wiping him off the face of the earth, he knew there was something more important at hand. People really hate on vegita but this is really one of those moments that I think alot of folks forget about. He had Goku dead to rights here and choose not to take advantage.
He had him dead to rights, but he is so prideful, he would want kakorat to have the same training he did.
@@Sh00pehfighting Goku now would have been dishonorable.. Also Trunks wouldn’t have allowed it
Hmm he surpassed him quite often actually. And so far Goku never won a fight against Vegeta.
@@halloweenjack95like trunks said to krillin, vegeta ego keeps him pushing so they play weak so he stays focused. Goku easily could have wrecked vegeta many times. In each saga goku could have beat him if he really wanted to
This shows how intelligent Goku really is in his "Battle Strength" strategy. He realized once he reached his maximum power as a Super Saiyan that actually MASTERING the Super Saiyan state was the next step.
Faxx
very interesting but i don't get it
@@MGrey-qb5xz Vegeta pretty much trained his base power level exclusively during this time. It helped him tremendously up to Semi-Perfect Cell, but the multiplier of Super Saiyan just wasn't enough to let him hold up beyond, and he had issues with energy depletion maintaining the form. Goku realized the next step in the power progression (and sticking it to Vegeta) wasn't just improving base strength, it was adding stacking multipliers with higher Super Saiyan levels. It's also why he fixed the energy leaking problem, and saw the flaws in false Super Saiyan 2 that Trunks didn't
@@wikipediafollower no this is actually wrong vegeta didn’t train his base power level he trained his super saiyan to grade 2 - 3 once he discovered 3 Vegeta being a combat genius knew it despite the power it would be useless in battle but he knew grade 2 was more than capable to handle cell & the androids so he trained on that , where he went wrong & Goku went right was Goku easily trained to grade 2-3 but easily noticed the flaws in both so Goku trained to fully master super saiyan harnessing both the strength & speed of grade 2-3 but at certain times all in super saiyans natural state retaining the energy from powering up instead of letting it flow out of his body achieving grade 4 mastery of the supersaiyan transformation
And Goku discovered staying in Super Saiyan 24/7 was the way to go….. until he died and just never bothered with it again for whatever reason
lol and the truth is the cell saga could have ended right here. vegeta was leagues above the current cell
for real Lmfao
His cockyness lost him like always, he thought Perfect Cell won't be a match for him.
+Cieciowski he's a saiyan of course he's gonna have that burning curiosity in him and Goku was always like that as well maybe because they were both pure saiyan blood.
Deadass
@@AgarthaFan Doesnt change the fact that he is cocky lol. Goku may be a saiyan but he is not cocky, just excited.
This is something, the one point in time where Goku didn't even stand a chance against Vegeta. Vegeta was on another level compared to Goku at this point. Really cool to see this clip.
i was just about to write the same its sick that this is the only time in dragonball history vegeta was surpassed goku, he wasnt at scouter because of gokus kaioken x3 obviously
Well, he did get a whole year of training over Goku, so that makes sense
ur missing the point...
ahc2599 Vegeta was technically more powerful than Goku back during the Saiyan Saga and during the earliest stages of the Frieza Saga, but Goku was classified as more powerful BECAUSE of the Kaioken ability.
TerrorofDeath1229 Sure that is true, but Goku still beat him down. If you read my comment thoroughly, it said that this is the only point in time where Goku didn't even remotely have a chance of beating Vegeta. Vegeta here is on a completely different level than Goku, Goku wouldn't even be able to put a dent in Vegeta. Vegeta would wipe the floor with Goku here.
10 years later and it’s still a master piece
Facts
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@@Solidnotsour 30
@@pinheadlarry7266 20 in the US
Lol this original Funi DBZ. Like folks in the comments said, about 20+ years for this dub during this saga, 30 years the orginal Japanese airing.
“There’s no need to attempt the training Kakarot because I’m sure you will not survive it.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Vegeta’s lines always kill me!
Ikr, he's always yapping 😂
omg I prefer this Trunks over DBS Trunks,
who doesn't this trunks is respected by all lol
yah i wish he kept this appearance in DBS
That what happens when you eat dog food everyday lol
Any day bro.
yeah this Trunks looks lot older and intimidating, but truth is he is still young here, while DBS Trunks is older but looks a little different
"I mean you'd have to triple your strength to " the vegeta laugh and silence killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I 4x my strength without saying it
I love how Vegeta stops Trunks from telling the others about the new Super Saiyan transformation. It perfectly sums Vegeta up.
After Goku told Vegeta he had to have tripled his strength in order to stand a chance, that laugh Vegeta gave at 2:00 basically said this, "bitch, I did."
Erik Munoz that's the main reason why I watch this so many times lol
Lmao true, and Goku said to triple his strength just to STAND UP to Cell. And as we saw Vegeta raped Semi Perfect Cell and even cut of Perfect Cell's arm.
Then why is ssj2 always only twice ssj1?
I would take it further like Vegeta´s laugh said: Triple please, I increased my strength for atleast more then Ten Times.
And Freeza would say; I will increase my strenght ten time, NO, a thouuussand TIMES
I love how they showed the image of Vegeta being bigger than Goku. Showing that at this point in time he is much stronger than Goku is. God I love the original
More like he was jacked from a year straight of working out.
No shit he trained for a year but once Goku went in guess what happened yeah Goku became stronger again so your point is irrelevant. And yes it would go back and forth if they kept going into the time chamber.
He’s not proving a point. Just pointing out a concept. Chill.
@@rrogers2370 he's not pointing out a concept he was pointing out a irrelevant "fact" so no point in telling me to chill when I didn't come at him crazy but then again people are soft these days
It’s irrelevant. He liked the concept conveyed through artwork. Get over it goof.
0:56 - 1:02 that brief exchange between goku and vegeta was a great look into their competitive nature as to who has the upper edge. Those smirks and the Vegeta powers up OST enhanced the scene. I also love piccolo's interjection at 1:16. He just has a way of stating his thoughts rationalizing a proper approach to a situation. I felt Goku's shocked expression when he realizes Vegeta increased his strength exponentially.
Piccolo is such a wise character despite being one of the main Z fighters through most of the show. Even when he stops fighting in the Buu arc he’s still involved in the story for a reason
@@tomato2517 not to mention his mentorship capabilities to the younger fighters particularly that of Gohan, and then goten and trunks. I think piccolo deserved more honestly in terms of plot participation, fights etc…. To give credit, his battle with 17 was perhaps one of my favorites but seemingly underrated to the general masses
@@Trippleskullpirates
DBS Super Hero has Piccolo as the main character of the film.
This scene is incredible because Goku's "sixth sense" was ineffective against Vegeta and Trunks. They were the strongest fighters on the planet by a huge margin and Goku couldn't sense it. Goku sincerely doubted Vegeta could handle Cell but couldn't figure out why Vegeta was so cocky which is why he stood there confused as his sixth sense wasn't detecting anything, and Vegeta knew that he was incredibly stronger than both Cell and Goku standing before him.
He did detect it at the end. And when he said "it worked I guess." But anyway, power levels can't be felt unless they are actually powered up. I'm sure Goku sensed Trunks as well. But the thing is, Goku was right, Vegeta still lost.
@@brucewayne2184 he was actually winning his dumbass just decided it was smart to let cell transform.
Good point
@@brucewayne2184 nah Goku was wrong at that point. Vegeta was much stronger than the cell Goku knew about and who's power he felt.
Goku was just perplexed because vegeta was masking his power level and goku didnt know jus how much they grown. he said triple because he was scaling vegeta to see jus where he might be. But goku found a flaw before vegeta knew of it
Has anyone ever thought how weird it must be to step out of that room after a supposed year? "hey guys, sorry we've been away so long" "erm, we saw you yesterday"... "oh right yeah... weird" Must be a total mindfuck, to leave and find that year you spent in there only passed a day outside.
#narnia
Nerdtrap AND NO SHOWER!
Zebo12345678 There is though... Goku and Gohan had baths so there are wash facilities.
Nerdtrap More like no change of clothes. lol. Wearing the exactly same tatty outfit for a year would be intense in its self. lmao!!
kickerse13 not really
Can't watch this scene without imaging Vegeta say "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...PRIDE!"
neat.
yeah blah blah blah
TheJ024 same
prince of all bla bla bla super saiyan bla bla
TheJ024 i
This is one of the reasons I like this saga so much. Goku and Vegeta are constantly passing each other up in this saga. Vegeta still has legitimate animosity towards Goku.
The drawing and Characters are amazing especially Vegeta. This was the best dragon Ball arc for me.
The atmosphere and vegeta’s cockiness makes this one of the best scenes of dbz
Ha. You said iness
Vegeta trains all day just to get his ass whooped.
@@Dakidpepe what a dumbas* you are this all day training is the reason Vegeta is 3rd most strongest mortal in the entire multiverse whereas all the other z warriors in dbs just became completely insignificant you should stop watching anime because u have a pea brain
@@Mani-jg9sf, I mean they train a lot too but it wouldn't matter even if they trained as much as Vegeta. As a saiyan his strength surpasses them too easily even before any transformations.
@@Shark-hn4mv Jiren toppo hit and dispo they are no saiyans still they are so strong it's not about species it's all about training and discipline
Haha its funny how at this moment if vegeta wanted to turn evil again and kill Goku he could haha
Trunks would stop him
His pride would stop him
@@johnathangalarza2289 trunks wasnt strong enough
I mean, he certainly could but
1) Cell was the strongest guy at the moment
2) Wouldn't be fair to fight Goku when he didn't go to the Time Chamber as well
Both reasons led by pride
@@MatheusLB2009 Vegeta even said himself Trunks was almost as strong as he was himself, as long as he doesnt use super sluggish saiyan.
Its doubtful that he couldve just taken on Trunks Piccolo and Goku simultaneously.
Also, if he succeeded in killing Goku that wouldve likely triggered Gohans transformation too, potentially even his SS2.
“There is no need to attempt the training Kakarot because I am sure you would not survive it” is hilarious to me 😂
Watching this clip you can see how much more brilliant DBZ is compared to DBS. You can feel the maturity, the despair, the honesty of each character.
Goku actually seems like an experienced adult - not some dumb simple character that DBS portrays. Vegeta feels like a warrior who holds an unbearable amount of pride and truly believes in himself. In DBS his characteristics were too plain and linear to feel wholesome and honest. Or rather they didn't put in enough effort or screentime to make his character more profound and intriguing.
I don't know. I just know this scene alone shows a stark difference in depth between DBZ and DBS
I definitely think you make some good points, especially when it comes to Vegeta's character. In DBZ, Vegeta is portrayed as being an extremely intimidating, unapproachable antihero throughout the Android and Cell sagas. He is selfish, violent, and downright detestable. And yet, he isn't a one-note character during these sagas because we see his redeeming qualities, too: we can respect his drive to be the best, his relentless work ethic, and his sheer talent in combat. We also see the first inklings of compassion in his character when Trunks is killed, and he even has some touching moments with Bulma during his training period before the time skip.
In Super, Vegeta is still a very complex character, but he loses a lot of the edge that made him so compelling in DBZ. This makes sense from a narrative standpoint because he has accepted his life as a family man. It's also fascinating to see the goofy side of his personality as he desperately tries to please Beerus and Whis for the sake of his loved ones and the Earth. Still, Vegeta is less compelling as the "hardass with a heart of gold" because he doesn't keep us on our toes the way he did in the early arcs of DBZ. We just want to see him gain some measure of success in his goal to surpass Goku, and we don't really get to see that happen throughout any of Super's 131 episodes. His character just seems to be in stasis throughout Super: he's trying to surpass his rivals, and he always seems to be on the cusp of doing this, but he never quite reaches his goal. That lack of development is frustrating, to say the least.
Danny the Red, thanks for giving me something to think about concerning this franchise that I love. You've made me appreciate the artistry of Dragon Ball and its characters to an even greater extent than I ever did before.
they just had a lot of money back then cause of the economic boom, these days event western cartoons are leaps and bounds better then animes like super and one piece
@M.Grey That’s got nothin to do with the writing in DBZ bein better than the writing in DBS
The difference between passion and cash grab
Bro please. Please just shut. The fuck. Up.
Oh my god. You had to have typed this comment for nearly an hour to write this shit.
Get a hobby or a job or something. Goddamn.
1:15 "Tien hold up I got this my nigga"
+TreDeShawn Mah Namek
+TreDeShawn LOL done! It fits so proper.
TreDeShawn LMAAAAAOOOOOOOOO
Reminds me of KD and westbrook interview where he backed Up westbrook.
Lmao what tien thought he was finna do piccolo was like dont get yo ass whoop boa
That's interesting. Vegeta got more than triple the times stronger in the chamber. The way he smiled and interrupted Karakot, showing his confidence. It was beautiful and so smug . Enough words were said
That was like, "Oh 3x, amateur, is that all I'm up against? 😂".
@@srinitaaigaura The funny thing is both Goku and Vegeta got over 10x stronger in one zenkai boost on namek. So how would Goku be surprised that Vegeta would be able to more than triple his strength in a year.
@@adewilson132because they got no clue what would it be to become stronger than super saiyan. On namek they had a target to achieve. Now they have no idea what transcending further gonna be.
He was actually 10x stronger than he previously was. That's why he was laughing at Goku's advice
My College professor for my Fitness class is a huge fan of DBZ and joined in on a conversation me and my buddies were having on Goku and Vegeta's strength. He looked at it from a fitness standpoint and mentioned Another reason Goku was stronger than Vegeta most of the time was that he let himself rest. Vegeta trained Hardcore all day everyday and Goku trained like a beast but he always gave time to let his body rest and recuperate so he could get more out of it. In athletics unless you are on steroids that is very true. Rest helps a lot with building strength and power
Lmfaoooo Jaxblade?!? I knew I recognized you bro
Nba, nfl, mlb players
Whis said the same thing
Yeah in mma (ufc) you're not suppose to break yourself in training. Rest is important otherwise you risk ruining your career prematurely.
Once the muscles are worn, they need time to recover. Without that, you're just constantly damaging them and not allowing them to become as strong as they would otherwise
The only time in this anime’s history where Vegeta was significantly more powerful than Goku. If Trunks wasn’t there, he could most likely solo the whole squad.
Exactly 😂
😭 everyone always forgets thier first battle
Vegeta woulda killed Goku if not for friends
And kio ken
@@christophergonzalez6433 that’s why I said he was SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful. Vegeta was stronger when they first met, but not so powerful that he could do to Goku what Super Vegeta did to Semi Perfect Cell.
At this point, Vegeta could turn evil again and rule the planet with ease. If Trunks wasn’t there that is
wow good point
@@TheseEyesSeeDarknessClearly7 you're forgetting the fact that Vegeta becomes more powerful than mostly anyone when he's extremely pissed off.
Just kill Bulma and see what happens haha
The fact that vegeta and piccolo is voiced by the same actor is crazy... and goku and king kai ...i can see that one tho . Both goof balls 😅😅🔥🔥🔥🔥
how tf did Trunks hit another puberty lol.
i know right
He was still a teenager so he had room to grow. A year of intense training as a young man would drastically change your bod.
dont worry in Super they Depuberty him
Handsome Jackson they do lol
sad but true
Wouldn't it have been such a dick move if Vegeta had destroyed the door to the time chamber right then and there so Goku couldn't train? lol
LMAO
jledragon lmfaoo
jledragon
I Would've Been SHOOK
They can make a new one but it would take time
then Gohan wouldn't be SS2 and everyone would be dead
That end moment put Goku on the path to surpass Vegeta when he realized Vegeta tripled his strength after training in the time chamber room. Instinctively, Goku realized just how special this room was that's why he used it to power up in a different way totally outshining Vegeta.
Trunks went in a savage, came out a savage and then a whole chump in super. The injustice 😢😢
tien was triggered in this scene he didnt realize he increased his trollin level in the chamber as well
lmao
😂😂😂😂
Ik this is supposed to be a joke but He was right though lol which is why vegeta got his ass beat by perfect cell.
thomas vang tien said that vegeta couldn’t handle it but he was able to handle semi perfect cell
TFS Tien would've owned his ass lol.
I loved how trunks explains that Vegeta had already completed his training in just a few months butt still stayed to get the most out of the HTC...
Just shows how strong this Saiyan is
Future trunks is best 🔥
It also shows how ineffective Vegeta trains. He did all that extra time with little results but Goku stayed the entire year as well and got better results
@@c.galindo9639 yeah goku can train much better than vegeta. if they had the same training, or even if they trained together, there might not even be a reason for gohan to face perfect cell
@@talonapex9775 it can be argued also that Goku training with Gohan helped him get stronger but who knows when that happened during their training for it to make a difference between them two or Gohan’s burst just gave Goku the indication that he should stop as he doesn’t need to get stronger for Cell
@@c.galindo9639 it's actually even worse, goku only stayed 10 months before they left the chamber and still ended up way above them in power.
The subtly “Maybe” by Vegeta when Goku asked “Did it work out” is such a great piece of storytelling. Vegeta knew the weakness in the form
0:40 Vegeta hit Trunks with the “What happens in the house, stays in the house” line. 😂😂😂
The only time Vegeta behaved like a real asian father to Trunks.
+J. foxdie And Chi Chi behaves like most Asian mothers towards Gohan.
+J. foxdie Super s***A***iyan
+Super Saiyan Goddess taht's such racist bullshit!!! Asian women aer the sweetest on the planet. They're not bitchy like Chichi.
Firemarioflower MOTHERS* lol u would know if u were asian. we aren't talking about women in general
Vegeta isn’t Asian, he isn’t human... he’s from another planet did you forget?
this animation looks a lot better than dbs especially trunks
Nah DBZ had shitty animation, the art style was just better because Toriyama drew it.
President C4 nope the animation, coloring, and overall art style is completely better than super
President C4 so you also think they should make a series on borutos dad?
richard tovar Yeah true dbz was a lot more better. Even though im up to date with super its still shit lol.
Also in super I think trunks has a different coloured jacket similiar to the one his wearing in this episode. Butyeah the animation us very bad in super.
richard tovar That’s not animation that’s art. The line work was much more linear and they don’t look all blocky and stupid like they do in super.
Vegeta is hands down my favorite DBZ character and it’s because of moments like these.
I know man
Completely agree 👍
“ There’s no need to attempt the training kakkarot, because I’m sure you will not survive it”. Vegeta was the ultimate crab in the bucket.
This is one of my all-time favorite scenes. So much subtle awesomeness going on
God this music is phenomenal. If DBZ has a soundtrack I’m buying it
I think they released this soundtrack on CD
I love that part where vegeta tells goku chill... I’m way strong
Vegeta is such a badass in this scene... "my training regiment is so difficult you would die from it.... now piss off, i'm handling this."
Goku : And hey, Vegeta! Wow, you guys sure got strong, huh?
Vegeta : That's right Kakarot, and you wouldn't *believe* just how much! You see, while I was training in the depths of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, I looked *deep* within myself and _bla bla bla bla bla, pride, bla bla, prince of all bla bla bla Super Saiyan, bla bla bla._ And through all of that, I have ascended! That's right: I have reached a new level. DO YOU HEAR ME, KAKAROT?! I AM FINALLY *STRONGER THAN YOU!!*
Goku: Neat!
Vegeta: *F*CK YOU!*
XDDDDDDDDDD
Beat me to it!
+Maanit Aman yep sounds just like them
LMFAOOO yup
***** well no use in trying to kill goku since he's the only reason to get himself stronger lol
+Maanit Aman
This will never get old. Thanks TFS
The soundtrack at 1:15 (same one that was used before Vegeta sacrificed himself vs Buu) adds so much to the scene. Really intensifies the gravity of the situation as they need to stop Cell. No other DBZ compares to original Funimation with Faulconer soundtrack.
''serious suspense''
Honestly, the Cell Saga was a really good Saga. Utilizing the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, gravity being 10x heavier than the normal gravity (according to Goku telling Gohan when they stepped in). Absolutely insane training in a room without a definite end, an environment with very heated air, etc.
I love the end part. " I mean you'll have to triple your strenght to even have a chance..." Vegeta "Hahaha". Love Vegeta.
Poor vegeta, they always make him look confident so they can crush him later, I hate this, i hope one day vegeta will step to the spotlight
Can confirm, in the latest manga chapter he... almost does... almost.
he beat the shit out of cell what are you talking about lol
That's the point of every character beside goku.. Training really hard, badass entrance, get fucked later, goku saved the day.. Always like that
@@ThunderWolfUE i want to see vegeta defeat a main villain. Like goku or goku son did all these year
I’d agree with you, but most of those scenarios are due to his arrogance, he himself doesn’t allow him to win.
Vegeta was at that moment the strongest fighter on Earth. For less than a few hours until he decided to let Cell become perfect and Goku and Gohan emerge from the Time Chamber.
I just realized it i was rewatching this vid. either him or Trunks, and I like vegeta’s experience & IQ over Trunks
You know, for once, Vegeta actually was able to support his claims with action. He beat the shit out of Semi-Perfect Cell.
And then Vegeta did the "Vegeta thing" and let the Villain recuperate.
Honestly Goku and Vegeta are so competitive that it probably costs millions of lives each time they don't destroy the villain when they have the advantage.
0:40 First rule of vegeta's training, do not talk about vegeta's training
The testosterone in this scene was level 10,000
Funny thing is, Vegeta really was the strongest character at this time and could've literally killed cell if he didn't let his power level increase.
"I mean you'd have to triple your strength to stand a chance-"
"heh heh heh heh"
Goku's face when
why did he make that face
@@ultimatewarriors1291 he was shocked bc based on Vegeta's reaction, he'd done way more than triple his strength
post htc trunks is just a complete badass
Pre HTC trunks was badass too. He owned mecha frieza and King cold.
Lord Fellaini he was a partial badass then, post HTC he became a complete one
You mean like when he gave up against P Cell and told him to just kill him without a resistance. So Badass!
@@ChiquitaSpeaks shaddap
@@joshuadickey5275 I mean I still think he's awesome but he really didn't DO anything cool (he still totally should've been the one to defeat cell) whereas before he actually DID cool stuff
The falconer score is so amazing. Especially the VA is so dramatic. I have no idea why anyone would hate it
Agreed
Yuya Takahashi has done such a beautiful work in the animation of these scenes
Hats off 🙌🙌🙌
at the end where Goku was talking and Vegeta laughed he was like Bitch PLZ
Daiyo Cake
I love how Vegeta makes the effort to hurry and close the door to cross his arms real quick again to look cool
0:45
Rule 1 of Vegeta's training: Don't talk about Vegeta's training!
"Our training is not to be discussed...EVER!" Vegeta is such a badass!
I love how he cut Goku off with that cocky laugh he gave me chills 💯💯💯 I love the classic over super anyday
Trunks spent the whole year working on that entrance 😂
Bro the obeonce and background music dramatic pauses its amazing love it
Coolest thing about this scene is that, as of this moment, Vegeta is significantly more powerful than Goku. For one of the only times in the history of DBZ.
His code as a warrior stops him from just wasting Goku right then and there, he knows he has to let Goku also get the same year in the chamber for it to be an honorable comparison/fight.
You are right. Vegeta's pride stopped him right there from killing everyone.
His pride didn't even let him finish weaker Cell
Nah I wouldn't go that far, Vegeta at this point was already building a life on earth@@benjy117
Also because cell and the androids were around
the only point in the series vegeta could beat goku by a landslide
***** that was an extremely close battle, they both did a lot of damage to each other. yes, Vegeta definitely would have killed Goku as a great ape, but that was his last resort... the OP is talking about Vegeta winning by a landslide. in this clip, Vegeta could have killed Goku without taking any damage at all
Anonymous .AMV its funny how ppl who suck up to vegeta and say he's stronger than him even when he says goku is stronger than him.. people are kinda sad. goku is is always one step ahead of him.
+Nintendo player vegeta and trunks were the only ones through the time chamber at this point. He is stronger than everyone there at this point including goku
until goku could turn ss3 and after cell vegeta only went super saiyan 1 when he fought buu and the fact that when buu came in goku was the only one who could manage to defend him self. so vegeta is weak through most of dragonball z.. but i'll admit he has few moments.
Nintendo player i hope you're trolling right now hahahaha
Vegeta's background music is dope this one and even when in gravity training
0:00 how everyone who works out at home is gonna look like after the quarantine ends
Goku: So it worked out. I guess he
Vegeta: Maybe.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The sarcasm between these at this moment was gold
lol @ Tien XD "YOU FOOL!" hahaha
and Trunks sounded sensual at first hahaha
Everyone was upset that Vegeta had surpassed them greatly. They knew he had become stronger than ever and couldn’t stand that he was actually right about being able to single handedly taking on Cell.
It was this moment that Goku realized how serious Vegeta was... And I have to say it was at this moment that it pushed Goku the rest of the series.
We will miss you Akira Toriyama for the rest of our lives and I hope your works will be even better in the afterlife
The amount of seriousness in this scene TRIPLES the amount in all of DBS
"I mean, you'd have to triple your strength to stand...a..chance...." - Goku
*Infamous Vegeta Smirk*
Seeing Goku surprised at how Vegeta was confident was really good to see. Normally Vegeta is the one who is awe struck at Goku surpassing his limits but on this rare occasion, Goku is the one who is in awe.
Good scene.
Goku didn't know Vegeta quintupled in his strength that's why he was so confident.
Those music cues at 1:00 are legendary
Coming out of quarantine after working out the whole break be like
1:54 Goku: "..... He definitely tripled it." 😂
Goku : And hey Vegeta! Wow, you guys sure got strong, huh?
Vegeta : That's right Kakarot, and you wouldn't *believe* just how much! You see, while I was training in the depths of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, I looked *deep* within myself and _bla bla bla bla bla, pride, bla bla, prince of all bla bla bla Super Saiyan, bla bla bla._
XDDDDDDD
Neat!
Corey1695 Fuck you!
Lmao
Enigma SERIOUSLY,ANOTHER ONE OF THESE COMMENTS.REAL *FUCKING* ORIGINAL
This was the moment when Trunks was the strongest character in DBZ.
That's debatable. Remember that Vegeta could bulk his muscles up just like Trunks (off screen) but he saw that slow form as a weakness so didn't bother. I still think Vegeta was the strongest character right at this moment because he could already do what Trunks did vs Perfect Cell.
When you first walk out after quarantine is over lol
Tien is just begging for an ass whooping from Vegeta.
I think Vegeta always respected the way Tien went at Nappa. Think about how Cui, Dodoria, and Zarbon all tried to beg Vegeta not to kill them once they found out they had no chance. Tien on the other hand in the same situation against Nappa put all his energy in one attack just to damage Nappa as much as possible. Vegeta most likely thinks Tien is a legit crazy person.
Tien: at this point it's a game. If he gives in, then I win....and he knows that.
Gohan looking around like "w.....t.....f......is going on here??"
Vegeta was always harder on future trunks but he loved and respected him so much he just couldn't admit it. I learned something future trunks was Vegeta's favorite one. He loved president day trunks. But that future trunks had his heart. Sometimes parents are hard on you because they wants what's best for you. My mom act like that towards me she's hard on me but she does that because she knows I have tough skin and imma fighter and she knows my potential. So trust when your parents are hard on you they want you to be the best or you will be nothing.
Epic scene with real depth to characters
That last laugh tho.. Hahaha badass
He said "our training is not to be discussed, Ever!" Lol
Kofi Babone right he about to beat trunks
Kofi Babone 😂😂
Trunks was actually stronger than him at that point.
Farhan Mckinnons not really
@@ChiquitaSpeaks actually he was after they came out of the hyperbolic time chamber trunks was stronger then vegeta but not by much he was only slightly stronger then vegeta they were almost even at this point "almost."
That scene at the end...brilliantly done. Vegeta DID surpass Goku. Albeit brief, at that point, Vegeta finally did it.
It was at that moment that Goku knew and could sense how much more powerful Vegeta had become
That laugh at the end lol
Vegeta's pride is one of the reasons dbz was so amazing😎
It was a moment I realized that trunks was related to the LARGEST amount of freaking narcissism in one man. Enough so that anyone else could drown in it.
Trunks walked out like he was him 😂😂😂
Like he was in an edit
"I mean you'd have to triple your strength to stand a chance....HAHAHA" GOOSE BUMPS LEVEL OVER 9000
Vegeta spends time monologing to himself wanting to know everyone secrets but isn’t willing to share any himself 😂