I drove a 62 Dodge sedan 413 max wedge 3-speed stick. Back in the mid-60s , the Dodge Plymouth dealer in Union Grove, WI had a used one on there on their lot. This dealer was about 3 miles from the Union Grove Drag Strip. The Owner of this car was the son of the dealership owner. It took me about 15 minutes to convince the salesman who was the owner of the car for a test drive. He knew I just wanted to try it out, but gave me the keys anyway and said don't crack it up. it was a cold day in Nov. and it ran like crap cold. I went about 10 blocks, punching it, and nothing. I turned around after 5 minutes laughing about how sick this car was. I then punched it while power shifting, one last time heading back, and the rear tires lit up and did a 180 degree in the blink of an eye. I tell you I had to check my pants. I thanked the salesperson, but said it was too much for me. Price $2200. True Story.
Worked in a grocery store in 1964 and the manager had a 421 Pontiac. His wife would hold the four speed shifter just above where it went through the tunnel, and power shift that thing better than anyone.
@@melvinhunt6976 In 1962 a friend of mine with a 390/4sp Galaxy ran dead even with a 409 Biscayne in a quarter mile. I was really impressed, the Ford was a really nice car. The Chevy was a cracker box.
I think it's worth knowing the distinction between a factory super stock race car and a stock performance street cars. Factory drag cars are not sold to the public, they're limited production, purpose built cars they're only given/sold to top drag racers across the country.
Good information except for the 11 second Plymouth. Two seconds faster than the Dodge (BTW: which must have been available with a 4 speed). Nothing stock was doing 11.81 in the 1/4 mi. in 1962
On July 15, 1962, at Fremont Drag Strip in California, the Melrose Missile was the first production car with a factory option engine to run faster than 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile. The 413 Max Wedge driven by Tom Grove ran a 11.93 @ 118.57 mph.
the plymouth is way overrated in this otherwise great video. 11's in 1962 were unheard off the factory floor, although grove did run a first 11 but i thought it was at half moon bay. the drag cars were not completely factory stock. the were well massaged units that ran much quicker at the track.
I was born in Pontiac Michigan and came of age in 1962. These cars are a part of MY youthful years. We used to race from Pontiac to Detroit on Woodward Avenue listening to Lee Allan on the radio. Miss those days
I think the Avanti resembled the Jensen Interceptor. My favorites were the Pontiac Catalina 2+2 two-door hardtop, the Chevy Impala SS 409 and the Ford Galaxy 500XL with the 406.
I had a Sportster in High School. First day as a Senior in a new school some bikers who gave me the bike escorted me and my gal to the school parking lot. One guy, Teddy, did an awesome burn out and me and my sweetie walked through the smoke and through the crowd that gathered in complete silence looking only ahead. We changed that school and later my girl got a 69 Malibu....life was so good back then..
Good video. Drag racers in '62 preferred the Savoy 2 door post to the fury hardtop which was heavier. Al Kirshenbaum had the most bad ass one ever. Mid '12's stock, with wrinkle wall skinnies, but Kirshenbaum was a beast. The last photo was not a max wedge '62 413. It didn't have the correct cross ram max wedge intake like you showed for the Dodge. It should have been identical. The carbs were inline. The '62 413 Max Wedge 413 Savoys were around when I was a kid and they were FEARED! Nice video thanks.
I had a '62 Impala SS 409 while in Hight School (1968). It had hi-po heads, dual quads and a close ratio 4spd. It came from the factory WITHOUT power steering and the clutch was super stiff. It passed everything on the road except gas stations and ONLY took high octane gas. I loved Chevron "Gold Label Ethyl" which was 45.9c gallon (which i though was awful back then). ;-)
BEACH BOYS, SHUT DOWN: It happened on the strip where the road is wide, two cool shorts standin' side by side Yeah, my fuel injected Stingray and a four-thirteen. A revvin' up our engines, and it sounds real mean
Yup, cool song! In the song, the 327 fuel injected Vette wins, but in an actual shootout in the early 90's, the 413 Dart stole the Vettes lunch money and sent it home crying! Both very cool cars!!!
I had an 62 Ford 406 with the three deuces. 4:10 rear end, close ratio 4 speed. In 1968 I traded it for a 67 Chevelle 396. The Ford was a sleeper and very quick....the Chevelle was scarey fast
In 1973 I bought a 1969 AMC SC Rambler 390 with 4 speed. Now that was a fast car in the day, very little needed to be done to it to make it un-Godly faster.
My Mom had a 1962 tri power Thunderbird Roadster , She was clocked at 160mph by a State Trooper at 3am , in the 1960's . She told him the pedal got stuck 😅
I just know that some will scoff at this, but I was proud to have owned a 1959 Impala with the 348, 335 horse 4 speed and 3.70 rear gears. No, it was no 409, but before the 409, was this 348 engine, and few were built in the day. I never raced it on the strip, but it was capable of low 15 second times. and from street racing at the time, my 59 was a fast car of the day. A fool makes many mistakes, and mine was selling it , never to see it again, thanks to Uncle Sam.
For such a limited amount of production I remember seeing quite a few Avantis back in the day. Looks like it had a pretty nice interior and I never knew the car we as that fast.
That was just for 1962. They kept producing them until Studebaker sold it. It was bought and sold several times after that, and were produced up until the early 2000's.
I owned a '62 Corvette with the 340 horse engine (four barrel carb) and I ran it drag racing. My best time was 13.02. I don't remember the speed. That thing would run.
Rare optioned Factory 62 SD-421 Catalina's with Aluminum Fenders etc. was Quickest underrated at 405 HP Closer to 465 HP According to Roger Huntingdon Famous Automotive Tester back in the day - one called the Black Widow from Royal or Knafel Pontiac was never Beaten 🏁🏆😎
My dad had (bought it new) a 61 Pontiac Bonneville 2-door hardtop with a 389 when I was a young kid. It was his daily driver for years. Quite a car and a lot of fond memories. He wasn't generally a "hotrodder" but one time on a trip across Nevada to Utah he "gave it the beans" with me and mom wide eyed. He got it maxed on the speedometer (120 mph), but we were going faster because it kept accelerating. Then mom said, "That's enough!"
Almost all these big engine 60's American cars had poor suspension and steering in my opinion. Because they were engineered to dampen out road feel. Or put another way, for comfort over road feel. And most were very heavy cars. But the back seats were great at the drive-in.
In 1962 gas in East Texas was 16 cents a gallon. If I remember correctly. Anyway , latter I got a Pontiac with a 4 Barrel 427. On the highway you could almost see the gas gauge needle move.
If I had the money, massage the rear tire wells and pick up a pair of modern "retro" looking rims with at least a 17 x 9 to 18 x 10 on them for traction and enough sidewall to keep it stable. That should shave some time off. We went from 14 x 6.5 ('62 Fury) to today 19 x 10 (C8) both well over 400 hp. Probably closer than you think if the '60's numbers were honest.
Lots of bad information in this video. I believe personally that the Mopars were the fastest but that doesn't mean they always won as the winner of the 1962 NHRA Nationals was Hayden Profit in a pure stock class 409 Chevrolet at 12.82 - 113 mph. The Shelby small block Cobra DID NOT have a hand made tubular frame. That didn't happen until the 427 SC cars came out in 1965. The Daytona coupes had hand made tubular frames but they were race only cars. The super duty 421 cars were EXTREMELY competitive in the pure stock classes and won many races, they just weren't the top dog at the Nationals in 1962.
To all of the naysayers these cars were the ones that cultivated and started the “NEED FOR SPEED “ This only happened in the Good Old USA ! All Fast cars since then Japan , Europe etc are standing on the shoulders of these 1962 cars !
Interesting Avanti had the 289. A 289 able to run 170mph with that much torque is really awesome. It would be nice to hear about the deal with ford to use the 289..
The performance figures for the Avanti are all mixed up the 0-60 time is for the standard engine with the 3-speed auto, the 1/4 mile time is for the standard engine with the 4-speed, and the top speed is for the supercharged engine with the 4-speed. The supercharged engine with the 4-speed is the fastest overall with a 0-60 time of 6.3, 1/4 mile in 14.9, and a top speed of 178.5 mph. A world record for a production car at the time and 50 mph faster than the previous record.
@@alfredmorency8296 then there was the Andy granatelli tune magic. did you notice how the rear end of the Avanti was similar to the rear end of his turbine indy cars?
Friend had a Mayflower in LA in 63. Dave had a black push button cross ram with all go. A street machine that would do just above 12 seconds . At the time he said the only thing faster was some dude with a falcon v8. Everyone cheated then as do now. But that ugly mayflower would go.
Had a 67 Chevy Caprice with a factory 427 and Turbo400 Transmission in 1979. Nothing rattled a Mustang or Camaro owner like a full-sized hardtop that could pull up to them while they were racing on the Interstate and watch the driver wave to them and then walk away from them.
@@jayfinn6698 Heck yeah they are , a buddy dropped his 67 gto into reverse at 40 because of a floppy coat sleeve and a T handle, and a desire to change the radio station. Tires locked a little ,it stalled, we rolled to a stop with dinner plates for eyes. Fired it up, dropped it in drive and off we went. Haha ,that kid had the dumbest luck like that.
Unless the car had extremely low mileage for a 12 year old car and meticulously taken care of, usually a 12 year old car, and especially if it had been a high performance engine car, would’ve had the piss run out of it after 12 years.
So you're saying you pulled on 1979 Mustangs and Camaros? Or you pulled on 1st gen Mustangs and Camaros with 289's and 350's? Because that's what a 67 Caprice with a 427/385HP (that would be gross HP, probably 330 SAE net) could pull on. With typical 2.73 gears it could go just over 130. Would not get there quickly with those gears though. 3.07 and 3.31 were available but they would not go near 130 MPH.
I remember when all these cars were new when I was a kid. Dodge and Plymouth were always the ugly ducklings. Styling didn't begin to change until after the mid 60s.
So the Dart that was shown had a Cross Ram intake that he didn't mention but he said the Fury had a Cross Ram but the one he showed didn't have a Cross Ram, what's unfortunate about this is, he sounds like he knows what he is talking about, so the younger crowd will go off thinking the know what a Cross Ram intake is, History will be re written incorrectly when Us old guys are gone.
I believe these are examples of the cars at the time. The original cars that did the deed probably aren't still around.. I had a 62 police interceptor savoy 361 golden commando cam and 550 carb. It did 13.6 quarter at 112mph and shift kit. Fast enough for me. The over size brake shoes became unavailable and I sold it. No air conditioner convinced me.
That Last Mopar has at the Least, the Wrong Intake and Heads, likely a Clone. Real Maxies, from the Beginning had either LongRams or CrossRams, alot of which was due to the Intake Ports, Huge! and No Heat Crossover. And for any of the Naysayers, the Ramchargers were running High 11s in 62', along with a few of Super Dutys. Slicks(7" Caslers or Blue Lines), Uncapped Factory Cutout Exhaust, and a Good Tune Up. And of course a Good Driver.👍👍🇺🇸
The Dart and the Fury have the same engine so why does the larger heavier Plymouth do an 11 second 1/4 with the Dart being 2 seconds slower? If they're legit times could be trans choice or rear gears. I have a gold 62 4-speed Avanti. Unrestored orignal 106k car. I've had it for 22 years and have gone to great lengths to keep it fresk, had the paint refurbished, rust repair, seats restitched, new suspension etc. The problem now is the engine is going away and it whines loudly in 1st. Now, l'll never sell it so do l rebuild the 289 to keep it original or do l install the LS crate motor and Treme 6-speed l already have lying around and make it more fun?
Congrats on your owning such a rare and beautiful collectible car. It sounds like the issue you're describing is a transmission problem. Since asked here is my two cents worth. If you can install the LS and Tremic without altering you're Avanti then go for it. You have a fun car to drive while the mill is being rebuilt. If not I would rebuild the 289 with a mild cam, headers and other upgrades that could be returned to stock. Bottom line - it is your car to do with as you wish BUT remember we are caretakers of such things, once we're gone others should be entitled to enjoy them as they once were, as cĺose to new as possible.
The LS would be such a sacrilege to this rare and beautiful car that l can’t type anymore. Except to say there are so many things you can do to the 289 to produce over 300 hp that it would be nuts to consider anything else.
I'm going to have the 289 rebuilt. It's a heavy inefficient engine but it's what came with the car and it's got all the power and torque it needs. I've done a few modern things that are easily returned to original, electric power steering, Vintage Air AC and Wilwood brakes. I'm sending the trans off but may install the Tremec for a more relaxed highway cruise. I have other fast cars so l think l'll keep this as it came.
my mom & dad had a Studebaker dealership. i remember putting the 1966 brochures in the rack but never got a 1966 car. the funny part is v.w. was not yet established here in the u.s. dad had to chose between Studebaker & v.w. in 1959. a friend of his said he was crazy if he sold as he said described v.w. bugs as "cockroachs" by the end of the 1969 v.w. dealerships were worth over $4,000,000. dollars. they did open a huge dodge dealership in 1969. we sold 1800- 2300 new cars a year. it was all for nothing. mom & dad bought my brother lucien v. bonadonna a ford dealership that was in business for over 60 years that he tanked in less than 1.5 years. unfortunately he robbed the ford dealership after almost 60 years in the business dad died broke while lou lived big. can you hear me lou the loser?
The Fury super stock wasn't sold to the highway driving public. It was race only and not street legal. And not a full production run at that. Not even 200 of them.
Wrong wrong wrong the 1963 z11 Chevy was the first full body American production car to achieve the 120 mph in the quarter! Get your facts straight or please don’t post them.
This ad or topic is either ill informed or just Biased but there is a grave mistake here where describing the AVANTI mentioning that the car did 0-60MPH in 8 or 13 seconds? wrong monfrier, The AVANTI did 0 -60 in 6 Secounds thats 6 seconds. pretty quick brothers and sisters !
The 327 Vette injected was 375 HP the carb version was 365 HP and that dodge 413 was no 11.81 low 13 it would take a complete chassis set up with low axle ratio and high stall and a blueprinted engine to hit the high 11s nice try
We were putting those huge 500 hp engines into in Vega, Pinto, Maverick, Falcons, Arrow, Gremlin, Astra, 80s dodge charger. Its a cult. Were freaks lol.
@@DING00069 I had seen a guy put together a 454 v.w. bug. it was actually a fully built chassis with roll cage. the driver seat was placed the rear seat was. it had a v.w. bug body that was was only for show. to say it was ferocious is a understatement.
One night we had a little POS Plymouth fire arrow giving my buddies 87 turbo coupe a real run for its money, and we were at 5500rpm and she didn't have much more. I bet that was one of your boys 😂 Maybe ,maybe not ,this happened on the Taconic state parkway in upstate NY back in 87. That Tbird had awesome top end! After 15mins of running 5500+rpm in top gear when you finally slowed down to 80, it was so boring you could fall asleep. Actually it was fun to see how long it took for the speedometer to start dropping from being pegged when just lifting off at speed 😂😂
The early mid 60s Pontiacs were always a farorite But looking at the Red one makes me think that this could be made a better looker by choping off about two feet from the rear Do not intend to offend purish,,, it is just a though
Is this narrator a bot? If not he's reading some generally accurate information but with a speech pattern that would not fit in anywhere in the English speaking world. "264 torque", "twenty hundred and ninety pounds"??? Nobody anywhere talks like that.
All the people downing 409's must of got beat at one point or another. All these cars are awesome but if you have ridden in a 409 you would know what i am talking about
in 62 S/S Fury ran on the Rifchin's 8" hard compound no wrinkle pie crust slicks....That they got into the 11s at all was one hell of a feat considering marginal tires and roughly 3700 pounds...
The Plymouth Fury was not the fastest model available with a 413 Max Wedge. The Savoy two door sedan was lighter and quicker than the Fury. My dad's first super stock class race car was a 1962 Plymouth Savoy with an 11:1 compression 413 Max Wedge and a torqueflite. He raced it for Al Roberts Plymouth in 1962, then ran aa 11:1 compression 426 Savoy and a 13.5:1 compression Belvedere for Al Roberts Plymouth in 1963. Late in the 1963 model year he purchased a new 13.5:1 compression Savoy that he raced with quite a bit of success at local, divisional, and national events until selling it in 1969 to take care of my mom's long recovery from two near fatal strokes that she suffered that year. I bought the car back 48 years later, and have it now, along with my 426/4 speed '64 Dodge that I have raced in NHRA stock eliminator since the mid seventies.
Thanks…. Can you “ imagine” IF the AVANTI had succeeded ( ala “” C0TVETTE””)……..we ( MY Car Friends @ our GARAGES// Service) sort of assumed this was the Exotic Winner ….( Noble & Kosciusko Counties, Indiana , fan-boy…. when Studebaker **brought out my , Sophomore year HIGH SCHOOL)…….Incidentally, those DART & FuryII were beasts , in our day.
I've watched a video of those racing at the same place. Your right typically ran mid 11.5 and one or two 11:40s. The thunderbolt. A hair quicker. I put parts of a A12 Plymouth RR together minus the 3x2 three duce but a TM7 intake a 750 double pumper 4:10 factory Dana 60 leaf springs. Factor 18 spline 440 or hemi 4spd. I went 11:38 at 118 mph. They were running 128 to 129 mph. With homes and the side oiler 427. Adding ladder bars coil overs, s 590 purple shaft mopar cam to a best of 10:69. At 125 mph. I left a 10:72 dial in the car.
Pathetic- they all looked the same with ridiculously long tails. If the bodies were more compact and lighter they could have been classed as sports cars.
That was the style of cars back then. I'm certain you were born in the last 25 years. You grew up amongst SUVs, "Rain Drop" cars (only so many ways to shape an aerodynamic rain drop) Every year those "Pathetic" cars were completely changed - at a distance you could easily identify what make, model and sometimes year of a vehicle. I dare you to do that today! You won't be able to - end of story!
I drove a 62 Dodge sedan 413 max wedge 3-speed stick. Back in the mid-60s , the Dodge Plymouth dealer in Union Grove, WI had a used one on there on their lot. This dealer was about 3 miles from the Union Grove Drag Strip. The Owner of this car was the son of the dealership owner. It took me about 15 minutes to convince the salesman who was the owner of the car for a test drive. He knew I just wanted to try it out, but gave me the keys anyway and said don't crack it up. it was a cold day in Nov. and it ran like crap cold. I went about 10 blocks, punching it, and nothing. I turned around after 5 minutes laughing about how sick this car was. I then punched it while power shifting, one last time heading back, and the rear tires lit up and did a 180 degree in the blink of an eye. I tell you I had to check my pants. I thanked the salesperson, but said it was too much for me. Price $2200. True Story.
Pontiac 421 was my first car...still remember squealing tires whenever it seemed right.
they where quick for a heavy car
Worked in a grocery store in 1964 and the manager had a 421 Pontiac. His wife would hold the four speed shifter just above where it went through the tunnel, and power shift that thing better than anyone.
@@Beauxtrux ; My kind of woman.
Was she cute?
The 409 was a powerful engine but it had a tendency to self destruct when pushed to the max. My school bus in high school had a 409 in it.
11'S must have involved slicks, deep gears and open headers. At least
The Beach Boys taught us that the 4-speed dual quad positraction 409 has never been beat.
but the 413 is comin on strong
My Mother driving a 62 galaxie 390 high performance did out run a 20 year old with his what you say was an unbeatable 409, positraction!
@@rick-kx7gy Different song
Also told us how to have "Fun Fun Fun" till daddy takes the T-Bird away. Owning a red & white 1957, I kind of lean in that direction
@@melvinhunt6976 In 1962 a friend of mine with a 390/4sp Galaxy ran dead even with a 409 Biscayne in a quarter mile. I was really impressed, the Ford was a really nice car. The Chevy was a cracker box.
I think it's worth knowing the distinction between a factory super stock race car and a stock performance street cars. Factory drag cars are not sold to the public, they're limited production, purpose built cars they're only given/sold to top drag racers across the country.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Good information except for the 11 second Plymouth. Two seconds faster than the Dodge (BTW: which must have been available with a 4 speed). Nothing stock was doing 11.81 in the 1/4 mi. in 1962
No Mopar B body four speeds until 1964. The A833.
On July 15, 1962, at Fremont Drag Strip in California, the Melrose Missile was the first production car with a factory option engine to run faster than 12 seconds in the 1/4 mile. The 413 Max Wedge driven by Tom Grove ran a 11.93 @ 118.57 mph.
No, that's about right for a Mopar in the eighth-mile.
the plymouth is way overrated in this otherwise great video. 11's in 1962 were unheard off the factory floor, although grove did run a first 11 but i thought it was at half moon bay. the drag cars were not completely factory stock. the were well massaged units that ran much quicker at the track.
@@extramile150 Plymouth won, now go to your safe place and cry like a little baby WA WA WA !!!!!
I was born in Pontiac Michigan and came of age in 1962. These cars are a part of MY youthful years. We used to race from Pontiac to Detroit on Woodward Avenue listening to Lee Allan on the radio. Miss those days
You're an old fart, good story. Oh, to be young again.
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I think the Avanti resembled the Jensen Interceptor. My favorites were the Pontiac Catalina 2+2 two-door hardtop, the Chevy Impala SS 409 and the Ford Galaxy 500XL with the 406.
I had a Sportster in High School. First day as a Senior in a new school some bikers who gave me the bike escorted me and my gal to the school parking lot. One guy, Teddy, did an awesome burn out and me and my sweetie walked through the smoke and through the crowd that gathered in complete silence looking only ahead. We changed that school and later my girl got a 69 Malibu....life was so good back then..
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Good video. Drag racers in '62 preferred the Savoy 2 door post to the fury hardtop which was heavier. Al Kirshenbaum had the most bad ass one ever. Mid '12's stock, with wrinkle wall skinnies, but Kirshenbaum was a beast. The last photo was not a max wedge '62 413. It didn't have the correct cross ram max wedge intake like you showed for the Dodge. It should have been identical. The carbs were inline. The '62 413 Max Wedge 413 Savoys were around when I was a kid and they were FEARED! Nice video thanks.
You know your shit.
I had a '62 Impala SS 409 while in Hight School (1968). It had hi-po heads, dual quads and a close ratio 4spd. It came from the factory WITHOUT
power steering and the clutch was super stiff. It passed everything on the road except gas stations and ONLY took high octane gas. I loved Chevron
"Gold Label Ethyl" which was 45.9c gallon (which i though was awful back then). ;-)
BEACH BOYS, SHUT DOWN: It happened on the strip where the road is wide, two cool shorts standin' side by side Yeah, my fuel injected Stingray and a four-thirteen. A revvin' up our engines, and it sounds real mean
Yup, cool song! In the song, the 327 fuel injected Vette wins, but in an actual shootout in the early 90's, the 413 Dart stole the Vettes lunch money and sent it home crying! Both very cool cars!!!
great video
I was born in 1962 and my family drove a '62 tan Impala four-door. We drove across the country in it in 1963.
I had an 62 Ford 406 with the three deuces. 4:10 rear end, close ratio 4 speed. In 1968 I traded it for a 67 Chevelle 396. The Ford was a sleeper and very quick....the Chevelle was scarey fast
In 1973 I bought a 1969 AMC SC Rambler 390 with 4 speed. Now that was a fast car in the day, very little needed to be done to it to make it un-Godly faster.
My Mom had a 1962 tri power Thunderbird Roadster , She was clocked at 160mph by a State Trooper at 3am , in the 1960's . She told him the pedal got stuck 😅
I just know that some will scoff at this, but I was proud to have owned a 1959 Impala with the 348, 335 horse 4 speed and 3.70 rear gears. No, it was no 409, but before the 409, was this 348 engine, and few were built in the day. I never raced it on the strip, but it was capable of low 15 second times. and from street racing at the time, my 59 was a fast car of the day. A fool makes many mistakes, and mine was selling it , never to see it again, thanks to Uncle Sam.
For such a limited amount of production I remember seeing quite a few Avantis back in the day. Looks like it had a pretty nice interior and I never knew the car we as that fast.
That was just for 1962. They kept producing them until Studebaker sold it. It was bought and sold several times after that, and were produced up until the early 2000's.
Funny how fast cars were always friends or brothers or friends brothers cars, never owned 1st person by poster of comment
8:55 Thats no cross ram intake manifold.
Right, the writer and the speaker aren't car guy's!
@@matrox have you ever seen the intake on a max wedge? those cross ram manifolds ran horizontally. the carbs wound up placed over the valve covers.
@@mikelight495 Yeh...exactly. I have seen plenty of them.
I owned a '62 Corvette with the 340 horse engine (four barrel carb) and I ran it drag racing. My best time was 13.02. I don't remember the speed. That thing would run.
Rare optioned Factory 62 SD-421 Catalina's with Aluminum Fenders etc. was Quickest underrated at 405 HP Closer to 465 HP According to Roger Huntingdon Famous Automotive Tester back in the day - one called the Black Widow from Royal or Knafel Pontiac was never Beaten 🏁🏆😎
62 pontiac 389. Lots of torque. The first car i couldn't keep tires on.
My dad had (bought it new) a 61 Pontiac Bonneville 2-door hardtop with a 389 when I was a young kid. It was his daily driver for years. Quite a car and a lot of fond memories. He wasn't generally a "hotrodder" but one time on a trip across Nevada to Utah he "gave it the beans" with me and mom wide eyed. He got it maxed on the speedometer (120 mph), but we were going faster because it kept accelerating. Then mom said, "That's enough!"
Almost all these big engine 60's American cars had poor suspension and steering in my opinion. Because they were engineered to dampen out road feel. Or put another way, for comfort over road feel. And most were very heavy cars. But the back seats were great at the drive-in.
In 1962 gas in East Texas was 16 cents a gallon. If I remember correctly. Anyway , latter I got a Pontiac with a 4 Barrel 427. On the highway you could almost see the gas gauge needle move.
If I had the money, massage the rear tire wells and pick up a pair of modern "retro" looking rims with at least a 17 x 9 to 18 x 10 on them for traction and enough sidewall to keep it stable. That should shave some time off. We went from 14 x 6.5 ('62 Fury) to today 19 x 10 (C8) both well over 400 hp. Probably closer than you think if the '60's numbers were honest.
Lots of bad information in this video. I believe personally that the Mopars were the fastest but that doesn't mean they always won as the winner of the 1962 NHRA Nationals was Hayden Profit in a pure stock class 409 Chevrolet at 12.82 - 113 mph. The Shelby small block Cobra DID NOT have a hand made tubular frame. That didn't happen until the 427 SC cars came out in 1965. The Daytona coupes had hand made tubular frames but they were race only cars. The super duty 421 cars were EXTREMELY competitive in the pure stock classes and won many races, they just weren't the top dog at the Nationals in 1962.
The times were a little off but , Great watch 👍🏻🇺🇸
To all of the naysayers these cars were the ones that cultivated and started the “NEED FOR SPEED “ This only happened in the Good Old USA ! All Fast cars since then Japan , Europe etc are standing on the shoulders of these 1962 cars !
As soon as the caveman invented the wheel,another caveman challenged him to a race.
I think Ford pretty much stole the show in 1962... Enough said. . GM's 409 was a grenade motor..
Wrong!
U always go fast til u blow, the 409 in trucks was good, c people run trucks harder than cars n didnt blow
Interesting Avanti had the 289. A 289 able to run 170mph with that much torque is really awesome. It would be nice to hear about the deal with ford to use the 289..
The Stude 289 had nothing to do with Ford. It was a completely different design, just like both Ford and Chevy had 302s.
@@hoodagooboy5981 ah, thank you.
@@hoodagooboy5981 Studebaker also had a 327 later on, no relation to the Chevy version.
My 62 Fairlane received a 66 289 ,,still running strong 🕰🇺🇸😎
Ford 289 was a better design, it breathed better for one thing., but did not emerge until 1963.
The performance figures for the Avanti are all mixed up the 0-60 time is for the standard engine with the 3-speed auto, the 1/4 mile time is for the standard engine with the 4-speed, and the top speed is for the supercharged engine with the 4-speed. The supercharged engine with the 4-speed is the fastest overall with a 0-60 time of 6.3, 1/4 mile in 14.9, and a top speed of 178.5 mph. A world record for a production car at the time and 50 mph faster than the previous record.
@@alfredmorency8296 then there was the Andy granatelli tune magic. did you notice how the rear end of the Avanti was similar to the rear end of his turbine indy cars?
@@mikelight495 I didn't, but it is.
@@alfredmorency8296 yes sir that Avanti with our 289 engine was the fastest stock production automobile at the time
@@stephenwilliamson1522few people had a super charged stock car in avanti time, sure it ran well compared to normal aspirated cars
The 62 Chevy SS was the best looking
Agreed, and I'm a Ford guy.
They ruined the Galaxie for 1962.
I much prefer the bubbletop Starliner from 1961.
Didnt know the Avanti could go almost 170.
I was figuring 140-150 on a good day.
Doesnt matter if thats 1962 or 2024, 170 is still 170.
Friend had a Mayflower in LA in 63.
Dave had a black push button cross ram with all go.
A street machine that would do just above 12 seconds .
At the time he said the only thing faster was some dude with a falcon v8.
Everyone cheated then as do now. But that ugly mayflower would go.
Had a 67 Chevy Caprice with a factory 427 and Turbo400 Transmission in 1979. Nothing rattled a Mustang or Camaro owner like a full-sized hardtop that could pull up to them while they were racing on the Interstate and watch the driver wave to them and then walk away from them.
Those turbo 400 trans was a monster had one in my 71 grand prix with a 455.
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Heck yeah they are , a buddy dropped his 67 gto into reverse at 40 because of a floppy coat sleeve and a T handle, and a desire to change the radio station. Tires locked a little ,it stalled, we rolled to a stop with dinner plates for eyes.
Fired it up, dropped it in drive and off we went.
Haha ,that kid had the dumbest luck like that.
Unless the car had extremely low mileage for a 12 year old car and meticulously taken care of, usually a 12 year old car, and especially if it had been a high performance engine car, would’ve had the piss run out of it after 12 years.
So you're saying you pulled on 1979 Mustangs and Camaros? Or you pulled on 1st gen Mustangs and Camaros with 289's and 350's? Because that's what a 67 Caprice with a 427/385HP (that would be gross HP, probably 330 SAE net) could pull on. With typical 2.73 gears it could go just over 130. Would not get there quickly with those gears though. 3.07 and 3.31 were available but they would not go near 130 MPH.
What about the experimental Z11 1962? (only 3 were made) then in 63, 57 were made. Ran a 10.80 through the 1/4.
Not a production car
@@cliffordbowman6777 neither was the Cobra , but it still made it on the list .
I remember when all these cars were new when I was a kid. Dodge and Plymouth were always the ugly ducklings. Styling didn't begin to change until after the mid 60s.
So the Dart that was shown had a Cross Ram intake that he didn't mention but he said the Fury had a Cross Ram but the one he showed didn't have a Cross Ram, what's unfortunate about this is, he sounds like he knows what he is talking about, so the younger crowd will go off thinking the know what a Cross Ram intake is, History will be re written incorrectly when Us old guys are gone.
Thanks for your opinion, I will try to improve in the next videos.
Sounded like an Artificial Intelligence voice doing the narration, I guess they aren’t that intelligent.
I believe these are examples of the cars at the time. The original cars that did the deed probably aren't still around.. I had a 62 police interceptor savoy 361 golden commando cam and 550 carb. It did 13.6 quarter at 112mph and shift kit. Fast enough for me. The over size brake shoes became unavailable and I sold it. No air conditioner convinced me.
That Last Mopar has at the Least, the Wrong Intake and Heads, likely a Clone. Real Maxies, from the Beginning had either LongRams or CrossRams, alot of which was due to the Intake Ports, Huge! and No Heat Crossover. And for any of the Naysayers, the Ramchargers were running High 11s in 62', along with a few of Super Dutys. Slicks(7" Caslers or Blue Lines), Uncapped Factory Cutout Exhaust, and a Good Tune Up. And of course a Good Driver.👍👍🇺🇸
I've had damn near every galaxy except the 62 only Pontiac I've had was the gran prix ,but it cam much later
62' was the ugliest year for Galaxie.
Galaxies are under appreciated
I'm in love with the 1961 bubble top Skyliner and 1966 7 Litre.
The Dart and the Fury have the same engine so why does the larger heavier Plymouth do an 11 second 1/4 with the Dart being 2 seconds slower? If they're legit times could be trans choice or rear gears. I have a gold 62 4-speed Avanti. Unrestored orignal 106k car. I've had it for 22 years and have gone to great lengths to keep it fresk, had the paint refurbished, rust repair, seats restitched, new suspension etc. The problem now is the engine is going away and it whines loudly in 1st. Now, l'll never sell it so do l rebuild the 289 to keep it original or do l install the LS crate motor and Treme 6-speed l already have lying around and make it more fun?
Congrats on your owning such a rare and beautiful collectible car. It sounds like the issue you're describing is a transmission problem. Since asked here is my two cents worth. If you can install the LS and Tremic without altering you're Avanti then go for it. You have a fun car to drive while the mill is being rebuilt. If not I would rebuild the 289 with a mild cam, headers and other upgrades that could be returned to stock. Bottom line - it is your car to do with as you wish BUT remember we are caretakers of such things, once we're gone others should be entitled to enjoy them as they once were, as cĺose to new as possible.
The LS would be such a sacrilege to this rare and beautiful car that l can’t type anymore.
Except to say there are so many things you can do to the 289 to produce over 300 hp that it would be nuts to consider anything else.
I'm going to have the 289 rebuilt. It's a heavy inefficient engine but it's what came with the car and it's got all the power and torque it needs. I've done a few modern things that are easily returned to original, electric power steering, Vintage Air AC and Wilwood brakes. I'm sending the trans off but may install the Tremec for a more relaxed highway cruise. I have other fast cars so l think l'll keep this as it came.
my mom & dad had a Studebaker dealership. i remember putting the 1966 brochures in the rack but never got a 1966 car. the funny part is v.w. was not yet established here in the u.s. dad had to chose between Studebaker & v.w. in 1959. a friend of his said he was crazy if he sold as he said described v.w. bugs as "cockroachs" by the end of the 1969 v.w. dealerships were worth over $4,000,000. dollars. they did open a huge dodge dealership in 1969. we sold 1800- 2300 new cars a year. it was all for nothing. mom & dad bought my brother lucien v. bonadonna a ford dealership that was in business for over 60 years that he tanked in less than 1.5 years. unfortunately he robbed the ford dealership after almost 60 years in the business dad died broke while lou lived big. can you hear me lou the loser?
The story saddens me deeply, and I don't even know you.
The normally aspirated foreign cars today can't hold a candle to those old Chryslers
The Fury super stock wasn't sold to the highway driving public. It was race only and not street legal. And not a full production run at that. Not even 200 of them.
Cobras were never a production car and should not even be on this list. They are also forgetting about the lightweight impalas called Z-11
Sure they were. You could buy them at the dealer and drive them on the street.
Wrong wrong wrong the 1963 z11 Chevy was the first full body American production car to achieve the 120 mph in the quarter! Get your facts straight or please don’t post them.
This ad or topic is either ill informed or just Biased but there is a grave mistake here where describing the AVANTI mentioning that the car did 0-60MPH in 8 or 13 seconds? wrong monfrier, The AVANTI did 0 -60 in 6 Secounds thats 6 seconds. pretty quick brothers and sisters !
MOPAR FTW
11.81 at 120mph is still fast
Hell yeah!
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I don’t care how fast they were. Those ‘62 Chrysler models were flat out ugly then and they still are!
I agree I had an interceptor. Dark blue ,black interior and black wheels baby moons. Smoke and mad max sound got lots of attention.
I think they're beautiful.
I think the 289 in the Avanti was Studibaker sourced, not Ford. And 1962 Cobras, which were English, never had any motor that was not a big block.
The 327 Vette injected was 375 HP the carb version was 365 HP and that dodge 413 was no 11.81 low 13 it would take a complete chassis set up with low axle ratio and high stall and a blueprinted engine to hit the high 11s nice try
Well...that's 1/3 of the lyrics by The Beach Boys.
It's funny just remembering cars that only had the one speaker on the dashboard
Well, some had rear speakers, although not stereo in 1962.
You would have to wait until about 1966 for that.
then the Z/28 came along and they faded into history
1963...mopars 426 hemi with drag pack option,aluminum fenders,hood,no back seat,battery in trunk,no radio,heater
fiberglass
No Hemis till 64. you're talkin wedges.
wedgies?lol
@@erickort1987 426 max wedge in 63.
No HEMI!
We were putting those huge 500 hp engines into in Vega, Pinto, Maverick, Falcons, Arrow, Gremlin, Astra, 80s dodge charger. Its a cult. Were freaks lol.
@@DING00069 I had seen a guy put together a 454 v.w. bug. it was actually a fully built chassis with roll cage. the driver seat was placed the rear seat was. it had a v.w. bug body that was was only for show. to say it was ferocious is a understatement.
@@mikelight495 i like it!
One night we had a little POS Plymouth fire arrow giving my buddies 87 turbo coupe a real run for its money, and we were at 5500rpm and she didn't have much more.
I bet that was one of your boys 😂
Maybe ,maybe not ,this happened on the Taconic state parkway in upstate NY back in 87.
That Tbird had awesome top end! After 15mins of running 5500+rpm in top gear when you finally slowed down to 80, it was so boring you could fall asleep.
Actually it was fun to see how long it took for the speedometer to start dropping from being pegged when just lifting off at speed 😂😂
@@MrTheHillfolk don't forget about the slant 6. in1963 you could order an aluminum block & 4 barrel carb.
@@mikelight495 ; Was it sleeved?
No 427 Cobra mention. Wonder why?
Was not a factory production car
These were the fastest cars in 1962 ! Not 1964 or 65.
No 427 Cobra in 1962.
No 427 Ford in 1962, only the 406, 390, 352, 332, in the FE lineup.
I absolute like this video pd evolution
Thanks bro!
9:00... those are in line 2x4s not a cross Ram
The early mid 60s Pontiacs were always a farorite But looking at the Red one makes me think that this could be made a better looker by choping off about two feet from the rear Do not intend to offend purish,,, it is just a though
11.81 factory stock 413 Plymouth? I don't recall that.
Or about 500 wheel hp. with slicks.
Sox and Martin R-R was garanteed 11.8seconds 1/4 nine of these cars could touch that
I doubt Ronnie Sox knew Buddy Martin in 1962...which is what this video is about.
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Avanti shown has R3 airbox
Is this narrator a bot? If not he's reading some generally accurate information but with a speech pattern that would not fit in anywhere in the English speaking world. "264 torque", "twenty hundred and ninety pounds"???
Nobody anywhere talks like that.
IF YOU ATE INCLUDING THE THUNDERBOLT, THEN YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE 426 HEMI CARS AND THE MAX WEDGE CARS
Did you read the title ? These were the quickest in 1962 !!
@@Dukerdr I MUST HAVE BEEN IN A FOG OF STUPIDITY... YOU ARE CORRECT... THANKS....
That was NOT a cross ram manifold.
All the people downing 409's must of got beat at one point or another. All these cars are awesome but if you have ridden in a 409 you would know what i am talking about
Did Cacklehead Harris make these stats?
I don't believe the Fury Super Stock can do 11.81 with the tires shown. 💩
The car's owner claims it achieved this performance. It's possible they changed to a different set of tires for the race.
in 62 S/S Fury ran on the Rifchin's 8" hard compound no wrinkle pie crust slicks....That they got into the 11s at all was one hell of a feat considering marginal tires and roughly 3700 pounds...
I am a big Mopar fan, and I can tell you that mid 13's in stock configuration would be much closer to the mark.
I doubt the original cars that did the deed were all available to this posting, just examples from now.
64 thunderbolt if i had $$$$
The Plymouth Fury was not the fastest model available with a 413 Max Wedge. The Savoy two door sedan was lighter and quicker than the Fury. My dad's first super stock class race car was a 1962 Plymouth Savoy with an 11:1 compression 413 Max Wedge and a torqueflite. He raced it for Al Roberts Plymouth in 1962, then ran aa 11:1 compression 426 Savoy and a 13.5:1 compression Belvedere for Al Roberts Plymouth in 1963. Late in the 1963 model year he purchased a new 13.5:1 compression Savoy that he raced with quite a bit of success at local, divisional, and national events until selling it in 1969 to take care of my mom's long recovery from two near fatal strokes that she suffered that year. I bought the car back 48 years later, and have it now, along with my 426/4 speed '64 Dodge that I have raced in NHRA stock eliminator since the mid seventies.
Thanks…. Can you “ imagine” IF the AVANTI had succeeded ( ala “” C0TVETTE””)……..we ( MY Car Friends @ our GARAGES// Service) sort of assumed this was the Exotic Winner ….( Noble & Kosciusko Counties, Indiana , fan-boy…. when Studebaker **brought out my , Sophomore year HIGH SCHOOL)…….Incidentally, those DART & FuryII were beasts , in our day.
MoPar or no car!
Daddy Warbucks 62 Falcon yea come on
If a 260 Cobra can be in top 3,,you'd think a 260 Falcon could make it into top 8 😎
Many innacurate items in this video- must be A.I.
A curent 2024 honda mini van 0-60 6.7 seconds let that sink in BOOMER,
Too many questions, seems a bit ??
These numbers are all screwed up including the horsepower. End of story.
1964 Fairlane Thunderbolt was faster than all these
It says, "1962". (and was also lighter than these.)
@@joequillun7790 The Thunderbolt was a hand-built car not available to the public, but anyone could buy a super stock.
I've watched a video of those racing at the same place. Your right typically ran mid 11.5 and one or two 11:40s. The thunderbolt. A hair quicker. I put parts of a A12 Plymouth RR together minus the 3x2 three duce but a TM7 intake a 750 double pumper 4:10 factory Dana 60 leaf springs. Factor 18 spline 440 or hemi 4spd. I went 11:38 at 118 mph. They were running 128 to 129 mph. With homes and the side oiler 427. Adding ladder bars coil overs, s 590 purple shaft mopar cam to a best of 10:69. At 125 mph. I left a 10:72 dial in the car.
The Fury didn't sell because it was so dang ugly!! This is the years that Dodge and Plymouth suffered because the cars didn't catch the eye of folks.
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The 1962 Corvette was the third-generation body style- not the first.
C1 - 1953-1962
C2 - 1963-1967
C3 - 1968-1982
C4 - 1984-1996
C5 - 1997-2004
C6 - 2005-2013
C7 - 2014-2019
C8 - 2020-20??
when are you going to join the 21st century? Time to show cars thar get the best gqs mieage
The Corvette has never been a legal car! How many have you seen at a track?? Only altered or funny car,no circle tracks!
Pathetic- they all looked the same with ridiculously long tails. If the bodies were more compact and lighter they could have been classed as sports cars.
Them Mopars was some really ugly cars. Worse workmanship of the bunch too.
That was the style of cars back then. I'm certain you were born in the last 25 years. You grew up amongst SUVs, "Rain Drop" cars (only so many ways to shape an aerodynamic rain drop) Every year those "Pathetic" cars were completely changed - at a distance you could easily identify what make, model and sometimes year of a vehicle. I dare you to do that today! You won't be able to - end of story!
no 60's showroom car EVER did 11.81
You're right about the Chrysler cars the just as ugly as the foreign cars today
11 second Detroit car in 1962, I WON'T EVEN WATCH THIS GUYS BULL ZH1T VIDEO, HA, REALLY!?