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  • @AstroBackyard
    @AstroBackyard 11 місяців тому +10

    Paul, this is fantastic. Your PixInsight tutorials are so helpful thanks to your casual, easy-to-follow style. Thanks for the shoutout at the beginning, too. Keep it up!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  11 місяців тому +2

      Thanks Trevor! Your videos have always been amazing, I’ve been watching for years.

  • @deonster1
    @deonster1 9 місяців тому +1

    This is one of the best if not the best explained Pixinsight tutorials I've seen. Well done Paulyman!

  • @damienk2372
    @damienk2372 Місяць тому

    Nice video mate,
    This is the first time you have been recommended to me on UA-cam which seems ridiculous considering we are both Aussies putting out content on Astro living on the east coast of Australia. My search results should have led me here long ago. I have just bought Pix Insight and have started playing with DSO imaging on my Dobs after being predominantly planetary for the last few years. I tell all my subs to practice, practice, practice your processing, as most people will see the biggest jump in their imaging results in this discipline and i too am no exception.
    All the best mate.
    Damo

  • @RolandWinde
    @RolandWinde 11 місяців тому +1

    Yes, excellent Tutorial. Finally I understand GHS 🙂

  • @georgedicker9789
    @georgedicker9789 11 місяців тому +1

    This is an amazing video, they way you explain things is so calm and easy to follow. I really appreciate the time you have put into creating this video

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  10 місяців тому

      Thanks so much George. Clear skies.

  • @johnlewis4073
    @johnlewis4073 Рік тому +1

    Hi Paul, just wanted to say how helpful i hace found this video - thank you so mucj for putting it together. The comprehensive explanations, particularly in what you are trying to achieve in GHS and what the manipulations actually do to the historgram. So much more valuable than the usual "do this to get the coluurs how you like them" approach of so many online tutorials. Brilliant work, i am looking forward to diving into more of your work.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Thanks mate. Glad you liked it. Clear skies.

  • @gabrielnicolaechiru5050
    @gabrielnicolaechiru5050 11 місяців тому +1

    This tutorial is amazing and also very easy to follow even for a beginner like me 👍🏼 Thank you very much Paul for sharing this and also thanks to @astrobackyard for showing this to us. 🙏🏼

  • @IanGillingham
    @IanGillingham Рік тому +2

    Paul, I've learned so, so much from your video and it has helped me jump a hurdle I've been struggling with. It has also helped me decide between buying a OSC or mono camera (and filters, EAF, filter wheel etc...) - something I've been swinging back and forth on, seems I will be able to produce the results I want with OSC now (good enough for me anyway). I'm very grateful to you for presenting this.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Thanks Ian. Glad I could help with your processing journey.

  • @mr.d.8121
    @mr.d.8121 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent Pauly, excellent. Thanks 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @waynemurray1106
    @waynemurray1106 2 місяці тому

    Best explanation that I've found yet! Thank you so much, for taking the time to make this video!! I've learned gobs from this, and look forward to seeing anything else you have to offer!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 місяці тому

      Thanks Wayne! I’m glad I could help.

  • @andynowlen
    @andynowlen 2 роки тому +2

    Now the 4th time through I’m getting some sense of the GHS strategy! Thanks much!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      I’m still learning how to use it to maximum effectiveness. Every time I see something by Dave and Mike my mind is blown.

  • @8888888060580
    @8888888060580 8 місяців тому +1

    I don't normally comment, but this has been the single biggest help to me! My workflow can be simplified so much with the new tools and techniques you show here. I really appreciate this. I really look forward to using the content you produce as a foundation for me to learn.

  • @HogarthsAstrophotography
    @HogarthsAstrophotography 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks Paulyman, some great stuff in here, I need to re go back over your GHS videos as that looks game changing.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Thanks. Check out the Astro Imaging Channel as well to see Dave Payne and Mike Cranfield talk about GHS. ua-cam.com/users/TheAstroImagingChannel

  • @MikeStrieber-ut7oc
    @MikeStrieber-ut7oc Місяць тому

    Superb, Paul. My new go to workflow. I like the way you explain things as well. Easy to understand and follow. Thanks for sharing!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Місяць тому

      Thanks Mike. I’m glad I could help.

  • @Zealor365
    @Zealor365 2 роки тому +5

    Wow, so much information in 44 minutes. I'm going to need to watch it a few more times to get it all. Bravo!

  • @desmcmorrow2978
    @desmcmorrow2978 2 роки тому +2

    Fab video. Keep ‘em coming, please. Cheers, Des

  • @danielpetzen
    @danielpetzen 3 місяці тому

    Fantastic. I just tried this out on an image of Dragons of Ara and it's stunning. Your way of using Ghs is brilliant. I now understand it much better. Thanks!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  3 місяці тому +1

      I’m glad I could help. I love the Dragons, they are so photogenic.

  • @jimwoods3575
    @jimwoods3575 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for sharing this! I ran an old session of the Rosette Nebula (ZWO183MC Pro) through this, and it came out so nice.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  10 місяців тому +1

      That’s great to hear Jim. Clear skies.

  • @RigoFromSpain
    @RigoFromSpain 2 роки тому +2

    I love it !!! well done Paul

  • @timsullivan3497
    @timsullivan3497 Рік тому +1

    Great tutorial and another way to create beautiful images. Thanks for taking the time to show us your process.

  • @BelaBanhidi
    @BelaBanhidi 2 роки тому +2

    Great presentation, easy to follow. Thank you!

  • @jimwoods3575
    @jimwoods3575 11 місяців тому +1

    Simply amazing! Thank you for sharing!

  • @peterlaubscher3989
    @peterlaubscher3989 2 роки тому +2

    Wow - stunning image!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      It is nice data, Trevor did a great job capturing all those photons.

  • @DamianVines
    @DamianVines 2 роки тому +2

    You are a great teacher, I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for taking the time to help us, cheers mate! :)

  • @adventuresofanamateurastro804
    @adventuresofanamateurastro804 Рік тому +1

    You are tha man Paul!
    Thank you,
    Drew

  • @giohelp
    @giohelp Рік тому +2

    Great work Paul. thankyou

  • @rickwilliamsphotography
    @rickwilliamsphotography Рік тому +1

    Great video! One question though, are you starting with a color corrected file? I don't recall seeing mention of using a process like Spectrophotometric Color Calibration.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +1

      In this tutorial, no. I didn’t use SPCC. However, you could clone the image and run SPCC for the stars then remove them for later.

  • @ct8618
    @ct8618 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the explanation and time spent on GHS/Histogram.

  • @jose.astiles
    @jose.astiles Рік тому +1

    Very nice and helpful video !!

  • @jonathanpearceff
    @jonathanpearceff 2 роки тому +2

    What a brilliant video, full of tips and tricks. Thanks for sharing you knowledge, and please keep them coming (I have already watched your other videos). As to your weather, it is just the same here in the UK. But at least we have dark nights coming so if there are no clouds will give longer imaging time.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Thanks Jonathan. Glad it was informative. Hope the weather clears for you.

  • @mohicanspap
    @mohicanspap Рік тому +1

    Great video! Easy to follow and you put more thought into explaining what is happening rather than just "do what I do because this is my video". Also this is becoming one of my more favorites way to process and color OSC data. Thank you!

  • @Bart_noplease
    @Bart_noplease Рік тому

    Thank you, that was game changing for me and brought me back to hobby!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +1

      Cheers. Welcome back, hopefully you get some clear skies to get more data to play with.

  • @julianmatthews3262
    @julianmatthews3262 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks Paul excellent tutorial, well explained and executed. I am mew to PI but found this easy to follow with my own data of the Heart Nebula which I have posted to my FB channel as I am well chuffed! I am to reprocess my previous images which were done in APP and PS as I find PI to produce much improved images. Thanks for taking your time to produce these informative tutorials, they are a great help to us novices.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Julian. I’m glad it helped. Clear skies!

  • @TheRhike
    @TheRhike 2 роки тому +2

    Fantastic, thanks Pauly

  • @aerozg
    @aerozg 4 місяці тому

    Thanks, i will try this out ASAP. Also nice GHS stretching explanation. Cheers!

  • @stefanbalzer611
    @stefanbalzer611 2 роки тому +2

    Very great video! Thank you very much for this.
    Learned some tricks again, especially about GHS. I really like the color palette. One does not see often. I will test this also with me times. For inserting the stars I also use Pixelmath, but with the following formula:
    combine(starless_image, unscreened_stars, op_screen())
    This replicates the screen function. I find it easier to remember this formula than the one shown in the video.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching. Thanks for the alternative PixelMath, always nice to have a variety of methods to solve a problem. I’ll have to look into what that expression is doing.

  • @FAstroHD
    @FAstroHD 2 роки тому +2

    What a fantastic video, thanks for taking the time putting this together and explaining the steps so well. Thanks again mate

  • @ericwilkes1840
    @ericwilkes1840 2 роки тому +2

    Great video, thanks so much

  • @McTavish11T7
    @McTavish11T7 2 роки тому +1

    Such a great vid. Can't wait to have a play. Thank you for doing this. I've learnt a lot just from the GHS part alone.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Thanks Jono. Glad you enjoyed it. Clear skies.

  • @edlitoborski5061
    @edlitoborski5061 2 роки тому +1

    Great video but I have a quick question as I go through your steps, where would you incorporate the new Blur tool in your work flow?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому +3

      Deconvolution needs to be done on linear data and before any processing that could affect the shapes of the stars. So if I was going to use BlurX I’d apply it right after applying either ABE or DBE. I have heard anecdotally that BlurX and/or Noise X (on linear data) can affect colour balance so I would apply BlurX before running PCC or SPCC, if you are running them.

  • @gregerianne3880
    @gregerianne3880 Рік тому +1

    This is great, Paul! I created my first Foraxx image from some old (and not so great) Crescent Nebula data the other day using your terrific script. I could see a lot more detail than I could with just my narrowband (red/blue) image. As you said, though, seeing this video provided a lot of good-to-know theory and technique. Thanks so much again for being very generous and creating the Foraxx script and sharing your project data! It's all much appreciated.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot for the kind words Greg. Glad the script has helped. Clear skies!

  • @nightskyimaging
    @nightskyimaging 2 роки тому +2

    Great work! ...and I really appreciate the attention to detail. I look forward to reprocessing some of my data! I sure hope you guys get a break from the rain!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Thanks. Glad you liked the video. Clear skies.

  • @timburgess1528
    @timburgess1528 Рік тому +1

    thanks you so much for this, your channel is excellent and very much appreciated. PLease can I ask what I imagine is a very basic question: I am still not sure how the data from the L-extreme filter maps to the RGGB matrix of the 294MCPro. After splitting the data into separate RGB, what is the logic for recombining 50% each of green and blue? I presume its the way the filter Ha and OIII data maps to the RGGB but I don't quite understand it? Many thanks and sorry if its a basic question..... thank you

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +1

      Sorry about the delayed response. There isn’t a real reason for the 50%, I just chose that value for simplicity. The L Extreme allows Oiii to be received by both the Blue and Green pixels of the camera. I tend to look at the two channels and decide if one is better than the other, maybe sharper than the other, then combine. If they are both good I’ll combine 50:50 to improve SNR, if one is noticeably better I’ll weight for that channel.

  • @Artsmitica
    @Artsmitica 6 місяців тому

    Masterful. Thank you Paul.

  • @sathyavenkataraman4061
    @sathyavenkataraman4061 2 роки тому +1

    Great Video. Thanks

  • @Brazerker
    @Brazerker Рік тому +2

    Excellent tutorial, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and insights - it has helped me to greatly improve my images. One thing I'm still struggling with is getting the blue's to pop out a bit more - do you have any recommend formula adjustments which could help the pull out the blue and the reds without going purple and over saturated?

  • @objetivouniverso
    @objetivouniverso 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. Very clear and well explained. And awesome channel too! . I’m subscribed not to loose anything 🤗.
    Daniel.

  • @Plorimor
    @Plorimor 10 місяців тому

    First off, awesome tutorial. I’m following along using my data on the flaming star + tadpoles nebula. I have one question; if I am using blurxterminator, where would be the best place to insert it in the workflow? Thanks!

  • @ciarancopas3433
    @ciarancopas3433 Рік тому

    Brilliant tutorial video and very clearly explained on all stages as are all your videos.
    Thank you for all your hard work on putting this together.
    Fantastic options for past and future data.
    I hope you get a good run of Clear Skies soon.

  • @hxnduke
    @hxnduke Рік тому +2

    Great video! Just a quick question - when you combine the star images using PixelMeth, I've noticed that you re-used the "ho" channel from the starless version for the Green channel. Shouldn't you create a synthetic "ho" frame for the starts instead?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +1

      Good question. I’m going for nicely coloured stars to complement the image and I’ve found that just using the same Foraxx expression for both starless and star images works well, where things differ is in the hue adjustments I make. For the stars I move the reds slightly towards the oranges and the cyans slightly towards the blues. This gives me generally yellow/orange and blue/white stars throughout the frame. It means I can be a bit lazy and not produce two more Foraxx expressions. Ultimately, if I had the option I’d also have an RGB image run through SPCC and switch out the stars for true colour RGB stars.

  • @pntballg35
    @pntballg35 2 роки тому +2

    Great video! Cant wait ti try this! Do you know if this method will work well with the radian ultra quadband narrowband filter?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Neal. The method will work fine with the Radian Ultra. What you may see perhaps is the G and B channels are actually slightly different and warrant some sort of combination, the L Extreme G and B channels were identical but I combined them anyway.

    • @pntballg35
      @pntballg35 2 роки тому

      @@PaulymanAstro Just used this on my IC63 data...Absolutely amazing! I'll be sure to tag you when I post it, thank you for this!

  • @calimark7448
    @calimark7448 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +1

      Glad you liked it. Hope it helps, clear skies.

  • @cosmicbackyard_denmarkrene3273
    @cosmicbackyard_denmarkrene3273 2 роки тому +2

    Great - thanks

  • @helgenordal3506
    @helgenordal3506 2 роки тому

    Paulyman!!
    Your videos are very good to follow. I enjoy the workflow. Thanks for making them :)
    But, Please? - may I ask you what I'm doing wrong when adjusting with curves? get completely crazy colors when I use Hue and Sat?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Thanks Helge. Hue is a tough one, sometimes even a tiny adjustment can make big changes. Placing control points is usually helpful for me, that way only the regions I want to adjust are altered. I sometimes do all my adjustments at once but often I will work on one region and use control points then once I’ve made those changes adjust another region.

  • @raziqkanani7059
    @raziqkanani7059 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for this very well explained video, Paul! I have one question, since I am using the radian triad ultra filter for my images do I need to do anything different when it comes to creating the 3 channels since the filter has 4 band passes? Such as not having to create a synthetic 3rd channel? Thanks

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Місяць тому

      Sorry for the late reply. I haven’t used the ultra but I guess in theory you could try splitting the channels and using the Red , Green and Blue channels as is. The red channel would include the Ha and Sii data, the green technically the Oiii and the Blue the Hb. In reality I imagine there would be a large overlap between the green and the blue channels. Can’t hurt trying it though, maybe with SetiAstro’s continuum subtraction script. If it doesn’t produce what you’d like then you can always fall back to keeping the red and blue channels and creating a synthetic green channel.

    • @raziqkanani7059
      @raziqkanani7059 Місяць тому

      @@PaulymanAstro Thanks for the reply! Seems like keeping the red and blue and creating the synthetic green is the easiest and still reliable!

  • @Chorge1972
    @Chorge1972 Рік тому

    Great! Wouldn’t it be better to do StarXTerminator earlier? So you’d have OSC Stars….. and then stretch this single file, before combine it later back in?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Yes. If I was doing this these days with the latest versions of the XTerminator suite, I’d use BlurX on the colour image then remove the stars with StarX before continuing.

  • @allen4564
    @allen4564 Рік тому

    Would it be possible to use this technique where you had an OSC image from a color camera and narrow band images from a black&white camera (but same sensor)? I'm referring to the ASI294MC and the ASI294MM.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      You could, it depends exactly what data you have I suppose and exactly what you’d like to achieve with the blending.
      If it is narrowband OSC data using a multiband filter then you could register to one of your mono channels, extract the Ha and Oiii from the OSC image and then combine that with your mono narrowband data. I have a script in early testing that will extract a more accurate Ha and Oiii from OSC data.
      If it is broadband data, you could perhaps just use the stars from the OSC to provide the Foraxx image with RGB stars. Or if you wanted to move more into the artistic interpretation world, you could follow my masking ideas from my Masks video to subtly paint in the Foraxx data into the OSC image where you’d like to produce some colour contrast.
      The short answer though is, I think you could yes haha.

  • @sarahjanereilly9335
    @sarahjanereilly9335 4 місяці тому

    Hopefully quick question 😂 - how is this process changed by using the Foraxx script? Thank you for all you do, BTW.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  4 місяці тому

      Foraxx Palette Utility greatly simplifies the process it does all the heavy lifting in the middle section of the video. It creates the synthetic green, does Foraxx and adjusts the hue and saturation for you automatically. Basically everything from 29:53 to 39:35 is done with my script now. If you also switch out GHS for the SetiAstro Statistical Stretch script it is even easier still.

    • @sarahjanereilly9335
      @sarahjanereilly9335 4 місяці тому

      Perfect - that’s what I hoped you would say! As a ‘L’ plate operator, it is always awkward fining slightly older videos and working out what has changed. New scripts seem to be coming on thick and fast these days, but without the older building blocks, it can be a bit confusing, especially with the 2 x dual band filters on an OSC rig. I have Frank’s scripts (his videos led me to you), so will experiment with that workflow. Thanks again.

  • @robertion8235
    @robertion8235 5 місяців тому

    why did you used unscren stars in linear part? (the docs is saying to use that option for non-linear part)

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  5 місяців тому

      Yeah that was unwise, I now use a different method, which gives me the colour I’m after in my stars. Which I demonstrate in most of my more recent processing videos.

    • @robertion8235
      @robertion8235 5 місяців тому

      @@PaulymanAstro thanks, will check your new videos

  • @bradybell7081
    @bradybell7081 2 роки тому

    So I followed you along and it was going great until I tried to create my actual forax image and it turned out a very bright almost neon green when combined. Any thoughts?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      Hi Brady. My first thought if it’s come out super green would be to check the green Foraxx expression. Perhaps the tilde got lost? Missing that would definitely do what you are experiencing. The expression would be ho*ha+~ho*oiii

  • @adventuresofanamateurastro804

    Will it work using a Tri-Band filter with a OSC camera?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Absolutely. For the purposes of the script a triband filter can be treated just like a dual and filter, the red channel would be added to the script under Ha and either the blue or the green (or a combination of both) as Oiii.

  • @Sbach342Guy
    @Sbach342Guy Рік тому

    Should this process also work with L-Enhance data? Or is it really just L-Extreme?

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому +2

      The process will also work for L-Enhance. I only had access to L-Extreme data to demonstrate, I have since used it on some of Sascha’s data from View into Space, he used the Askar D1 and D2 filters for his data.

    • @Sbach342Guy
      @Sbach342Guy Рік тому

      @@PaulymanAstro thank you!

  • @mupangamwanakatwe1300
    @mupangamwanakatwe1300 2 роки тому

    Hi Paullyman.
    Trust that you’re well and enjoying some clear skies.
    Thanks for the super tutorial and you workflow is now my go-to for my L-Extreme narrowband images!
    One question Sir.
    Would you recommend the use of Linear Fit, on the ha and oiii images, post GHS, in order to match the backgrounds, or is better to use histogram transformation, as is the case in your video?
    Thanks once again for sharing you knowledge and skill …

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  2 роки тому

      I’m getting a little better at working with GHS each time I use it. At this point I’m pretty confident getting the channels to match pretty well purely using GHS and don’t really need to touch them with HT at all. If I were going to use linear fit, I’d use it while the channels are still linear, before GHS.

  • @magicker8052
    @magicker8052 7 місяців тому

    my GHS looks nothing like that?

  • @kekkoukedarake110
    @kekkoukedarake110 11 місяців тому

    Good presentation but if you show each PixMath formulations in large fonts in separate box, it will be even better and friendlier to your audience.

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  11 місяців тому

      That’s a great idea. Thanks for suggesting.

  • @Santero68
    @Santero68 10 місяців тому

    Nice Video, but you are talking to fast and move the curser so fast and click anyware tha i cant see where. Do it a little bit slower. Thanks

  • @sergeyt.7564
    @sergeyt.7564 Рік тому

    Hi, this process is too long and complicated. You looks like a NASA professional. I trying to make astrophoto just a hobby, but is not easy . Every one want be better then a Hubble!)

    • @PaulymanAstro
      @PaulymanAstro  Рік тому

      Hi Sergey, that’s the joy of astrophotography, there is always something out there for everyone. I do have a script now that automates much of this for you though. Do take a look at Bill Blanshans pixelmath tools as they are quite straight forward to use.

    • @sergeyt.7564
      @sergeyt.7564 Рік тому

      @@PaulymanAstro i'll try, thank you!