(2023) PIONEER ARMS FORGED SERIES SPORTER AK-47 UNBOXING! $550 BLEM!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Quick unboxing of the NEW Pioneer Arms Forged Series Sporter AK-47 with Black polymer! I purchased this through Classic Firearms for only $550 because it was a “BLEM” model! Don’t forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed the content! Road to 1K subs!!
Mine had two issues, a tail on the back of rivet inside mag well, that dug into mags, and only poly or KCI steel mags fit it. Otherwise, it's actually assembled straighter and tighter than my PSA Gf3, and 103.
Mine had the same issues with the magazine fitment. A little dremel work and sandpaper polishing and my rifle now accepts all magazines.
I love my pioneer arms ak. Never had an issue. Running a romeo 5. Shoots great
Got mine last year never an issue runs smooth
I wonder how a ruger AK cast reunion would hold up.
They’re quite good at casting.
I personally wouldn't get a cast Trunion. Thats me. But from what I've researched as long as they are heat treated correctly they will hold up.
Ruger, is the king of investment castings, they were one of he first to use investment castings
I couldn’t make up my mind between poly or laminated stock so I bought both LOL I HOPE mine comes with 3 mags 🤞🏼. From classic firearms as well
I love mine . I have the cast and forged versions in x39 and several of the 556 Pioneers that are forged . They are are built very well with beautiful finishes and they all run great .
Dude hell yeah!!! I appreciate the feedback you have with your own experience! Thanks for taking the time to checkout the Channel man!💯
@@zombieslayer4368 you know , you don’t really need a metal mags . This is 2023 polymer technology . PAC Mags are constructed of a Lexan material, which is an all-black, high-quality military spec approved substance that is supported by the European Union and used by many European forces. Again Lexan is the strongest and can withstand impacts to such a degree that it won't crack. Instead, it displays resistance by bending.
How can you tell if mines forged or cast
@@ittbelitt8409 you’ll have to take her apart and look inside at the trunnion!
@@ittbelitt8409 At the end of the serial numbers there will be an F meaning forged. When ordering from companies the catalog ordering # will have either a CT or FT designating cast or forged. Of course they usually let you know in description as well. All of the 556 are forged . Don't worry about the cast x39s . Pioneer has addressed the metallurgy and there shouldn't be any problems . Many owners of the cast models have high round counts with no issues .
I’m actually ordering mine on Monday, but I’m getting the wood furniture AK I just hope they still have one for 550 this coming Monday!
I purchased the 556. model and would like to see what you think about the new 556. model. I dislike the plastic orange pistol grip that came with it so I will be looking for a Phoenix grip like you have, very nice. The one that comes with the one I got from Classic looks good but again, the pistol grip feels awkward and I will change it. Good video for sure on this one, I have an older AK-47 that I need to check out in detail, used many of them in Vietnam so yes I am older but still love my guns. After 11 years Army and 36 years LE have done a lot of shooting.
did you ever get the phoenix grip you were seeking?
I just got mine and I’m hoping it won’t BLOW UP in my face. IDK if it’s a Forged built ????
Haha I promise you it won’t blow up! I have over 500 rounds on mine 0 issues! My buddy that’s a military veteran was so impressed that he wants one!!💯
You will be fine
Got pioneer forged series 5.56 fixed stock AK last year in late December of 2022, and it's a great rifle, very well built, fit and finish is excellent, no issues, the hammer could be tuned and polished a little more, but over it runs, and it's reliable. I have mine outfitted with my Zenitco furniture.
Hell yeah Matt I love to hear it!! Happy to hear you enjoying the new forged series and thats cool that yours is chambered in 5.56! Thanks for checking out the channel dude!💯
@@zombieslayer4368 no prob, I'd definitely want a PSA AK-101, but I have been seeing a common issue with PSA AK-101 having improper barrel or chamber placement they don't have the barrel properly rotated, and or the bolt is out of spec, but I hope they fix the issue with that, I got a Riley defense ak-74 side folder coming soon bought it new from Riley defense so it has forged front trunnion, forged bolt, and carrier, chf cl barrel, but I wish I could have gotten there Bulgarian 74 kit builds they did first 4 years ago.
@@m.7n6 my first choice was the PSA AK GEN 3 but this deal was so good I just couldn’t resist! Also I got the pleasant surprise of receiving an extra magazine and the optic rail mount on the AK that wasn’t supposed to be included! Couldn’t be happier! Let me know what you end up getting and how you like it!!😁
Nice bro 🤘🤘cheer up buddy soon do not forget me
Don’t forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed the video! We’re getting so close to 1K subs! Thanks guys!!😁💯
NICE! I've been looking at their 5.56 variant
They are awesome shooters .
Got one for a beater truck gun and have shot several 3-gun matches with it, runs flawlessly. I am shooting corrosive ammo through it and the finish is perhaps not the best, so make sure you flush it with a garden hose or the internals will rust. It is not as nice as the FB-Radom ak I have, but it works as advertised and has never let me down so far. Poly and og steel fit perfectly, the Koreans fit, but are just a smidge snug but nothing that will not polish out over time. People shit on these guns, and the originals might have had issues, but from what I am seeing in reviews and with my own they have fixed their QC issues.
I have the 2022 cast model but in an under folder configuration. I’m at about 1500 rounds or more now. Not anything out of the ordinary as far as wear except for some slight mushrooming on the back of the carrier tail. I don’t care if it’s cast or forged as I will probably not shoot it enough for that to become a factor. If the casting is done correctly they’re fine. I have a zpap, wasr and another built on a Romanian parts kit. They’ll all probably out live me lol. Soon you’ll have all the AK elites chiming in on how bad Pioneer is and that they are trash. They most likely say something like “a friend of mine had this or that and it exploded” or they’ll say “they are trash and I’d never spend my money on them”, all of which shows you they’ve never owned one or most likely never fired one, so they are speaking from what they heard someone somewhere say that someone said they heard someone say something about saying something lol. I’ll give you some advice though, buy some go/no-go gauges and (correctly) check the head spacing every few hundred rounds. Keep it clean and lubed and enjoy it. When you get further down the AK rabbit hole you’ll start look into build kits , dates, if they were from a certain conflict, Yugo, Russian, Egyptian, Romanian, German and so on. You’ll start looking for particular forge markings and blowing more money than you would on a high end AR. I have a WBP Jack on order now and hope it comes in soon. I’m probably done after that because they are just fun and not my go to. Good luck with it, and keep up the content!!
How does your Pioneer compare to the ZPAP? I've been looking at the M85/M90's but also these Pioneer Arms AK's and even the PSA AK's since I want one in 5.56 and undecided about which one I'd like. The Pioneer seems to overall run for less money.
@@marvnation924 the ZPAP is in a different class. The pioneer is nice and for majority of the people looking at getting into the AK world for the first time, they are great. They are affordable, look good, function well and so far have held up just fine. Almost 2000 rounds and not a single issue. Would I rely on my Pioneer if my life depended on it, maybe lol. The ZPAP is something you would most certainly have for the rest of your life. They are built like tanks. Bigger front forged trunnion, great barrel, reliable fire control group. They are meant to go the distance. After owning a Pioneer Arms AKM and shooting it a good amount, I would buy another one with confidence. I’m actually looking at getting the same one but with the forged trunnion. I may take my cast trunnion Pioneer through a class and see how it does. People will always look down on certain products because of past affiliations or bad experiences with a company. Most of the people who make comments have never owned or have they even ever fired the firearm they are trashing. So far, I would say that they (Pioneer AKM’s) are good for what you pay for. They are well built. As for the ZPAP, it’s not comparable. Time will tell. If you had to choose one, and only one from those two options, I’d go with the ZPAP, you would not be disappointed. If you’re just looking for something cool and to take to the range and want to save some money for ammo, don’t hesitate to try a Pioneer Arms. They are not partners of IO anymore, they are an actual Polish company and are built in Poland, shipping to the US for the finishing. They are not FB Random but they are located in Random Poland and actually use some of their old facilities and equipment.
@@Thechameleonofall Thank you for your well written response. I don't buy firearms very often and I always plan to keep them for life so I'll definitely probably go with the ZPAP when the money permits lol. Im new to AK's and I wanted a 5.56 rifle that wasn't an AR (Had enough of them in the military for a while) and was looking at a Ruger mini-14 but theyre going for so much now that I could spend a little more and get a ZPAP. Would like a 16 inch barrel option but I'll probably get the 18 inch with the M90 I was looking at.
@@marvnation924 you would be happy with either the ZPAP or the Pioneer. If you go for the Pioneer Arms, make sure you get the “Forged series” that has a forged front trunnion. I don’t mind casting as long as the QC is done right. But for longevity, go forged. Pioneer makes 5.56 AK’s that are forged. And they are beautiful.
@@marvnation924 I’m actually trading mine for a Norinco in 5.56. It’s old but so nice. They are really hard to get mags for but just to be able to say I have a Norinco lol. I’m going to restore it to original. I will buy another Pioneer Arms 7.62 under folder but their forged series as soon as I take possession of the Norinco.
This is definitely a gamble, yes. You could have saved up maybe $200 more for a WASR that we know will last longer than your grandkids will be around. These Pioneer Arms guns are too new and haven't been around long enough, they use the "Radom" name as a marketing gimmick in the hopes that new AK guys buy them instead of saving up for WBP or FB Radom Beryl rifles.
What could go wrong with a forged trunnion you ask? Palmetto State Armory AKs, for example, use forged trunnions - but they do not mate them to their receivers correctly or use the correct swell-neck rivets when assembling the rifle just to save a buck.
You could have a gun whose rivets fail on you in 500 rounds or in 5,000 rounds. 5,000 rounds for an AK is a warm up or a break in period.
If there are multiple instances of these Pioneer Arms guns shooting 10,000 rounds no problem then maybe we've got a good deal going on, time will tell.
Good luck check the headspace at 500
What's your current round count?
I ordered on from Atlantic Firearms the Forged version. I was wondering does your Serial number have an F at the end? Mine doesn’t I just wanted to make sure
So you we're super, super EXCITED....
Haha damn near a year later I still am!😁 Never gets old taking her to the range!😏 She’s holding up real nice too💯
@@zombieslayer4368 did you just assume it's gender? Lol just kidding just make sure you find out what pronouns she goes by 😃
@@GeminiCoffin 😭🤣🤣🤣
So on these, is it just the trunion that's forged? The bolt and bcg are cast?
Trunion and bolt are forged
I am thinking of getting an ak47 with PDE furniture similar to yours. How much does yours weigh? I'm thinking it should be lighter than a traditional AK.
I have the same gun and I love it. Just wish the ammo wasn’t so expensive.
You must live in Az
I got the one with wood furniture, and it said it comes with one magazine, but they gave me two.
Just bought it last night.... how your doing
Dude you won’t be sorry!! So far it’s been great! I have around 3-400 rounds through her and ZERO issues so far! Definitely excited to see how see holds up at 1-2000 rounds! I got some shorts on the channel if you wanna see me shooting it! Thanks for checking out the channel man!💯🇺🇸
Link on options to upgrade this rifle???
PAs are the Isuzu of ak guns
Only the ones with cast trunnion😉 Mines the new forged version😁
I have one and I wanna upgrade the furniture.
Does this have a forged bolt carrier group?
So the description says it has a new and improved Bolt Carrier group but I can’t confirm 100% if it’s forged or not. The trunnion for sure is which is honestly the most important. Foreign militaries have used cast bolt/ carrier in their Ak’s that have forged trunnions and shoot full auto for decades and run perfectly under more pressure💯
Bolts are forged, the carrier is cast.
Sir what can you say about Taurus T4??
how do i know if mine is forged or not
So classic firearms a legit site??
Guys just an fyi Blem model also something was out of spec.Blem doesn’t only include surface scratches, discoloration or scuffs. Just something to keep in mind.
From Pioneer's website "This Firearm is a Blemished Model. Our Blemished offerings will have either cosmetic defects or they are a Demonstration model that is no longer in rotation."
Idk what AK Hero told u that but thats not true
I.O had a lifetime warranty too and lifetime = your lifetime or the lifetime of the company which seems to be short with low tier quality firearms manufacturers. Now an I.O lifetime warranty = no warranty since they went under. All the low end crap seems to have a lifetime warranty, and the High end that does not usually require warranty in 1 lifetime has 1 or 2 years. Rather buy a quality firearm for more than a "lifetime warranty" for cheap. I hope the gun works out for you with actual thousands of rounds down the barrel, a few trips to the range every month or two is not really going to break a deforming part as noticeably quick. We all have been burned with a purchase in the past and it's usually a decent idea to save a bit more and have a firearm you can appreciate knowing it will serve you reliably everytime you pull the trigger. Lowest I'd go for an AK is a wasr or a zpap. I have a zpap, wbp jack and galil ace and they are all rock solid and I am shooting one of them 5 days a week in my backyard.
I appreciate your honest opinion and feedback! This is my first AK so I was looking for something more budget friendly to start off with! Pioneer arms have been around for more than a decade+ and have recently just upped their game in the Quality department! They’ve had past issues using cast trunnions but are now using forged trunnions, new bolt Carrier and upgraded trigger group! Having said that and including the legit lifetime warranty I feel confident pulling the trigger! So far I’ve shot around 400 rounds no issues, so I guess we’ll see how she holds up after 2k+ rounds! Couldn’t pass up on a great deal! Thanks for checking out the channel and giving some honest feedback!💯😁
PAC doesn’t afflicted with IO , only in Radom , Poland and Port Orange Florida . Yes PAC offers a lifetime warranty on both cast and Forged front trunnion .
Well investment cast is used to make jet turbines, so there's that.
@S Aurelius I'm sure there are better and lesser methods of castings, sure. Turbine also don't get bashed repeatedly over and over by another hunk of metal. Turbines are also routinely inspected and replaced every x hours.
@@danny-uu8hc The amount of RPMs and the heat of the turbines more than equates to what an AK goes through. At the speed they run with lesser casting the blades could just fly off.
اسلام علیکم ❤
Im Pakistan in price
I got three magazines too! This was a sweet deal.
Hell yeah man! Such a great deal! Thanks for checking out the channel!😁💯
It has a Cast Trunnion. Classic Fire Arms Lied to you. It will Definitely blow up sooner or later. So watch out !!!
Lol. No it doesn't. Ask me how I know. Lol
@@SC68170🤔 hmmm my 3 guesses is you ether work there or you did 3min of research or for the number 1 guess you just called or texted the company. I hope you have %110 proof before you spill the answer
@@GeminiCoffin i own the exact 1 from Classic. I'm not defending how u guys feel about the gun. I'm defending the fact that u guys think it has a Cast Trunion. I can tell u with 100% certainty it does not. Lol.
@@GeminiCoffin Yes. Pioneer does have Cast Trunion. This is a Blem Forged series. Thats not an opinion. Lol.
@@SC68170. You are correct I own both cast and forged pioneers and this model is definitely forged.
Nice
Hell yeah man thanks! Thanks for checking out the channel!😁💯
It is machine from s7, tool steal…
Lol. It's got a Forged trunnion guys. I know exactly when he bought it. Same time my buddy who lost his in a boating accident bought it
Century's VSKA has a trunnion made of S7 tool steel
Not this one
Idk...... just got that
"If WalMart Sold An AK" "This Would Be That Model" type feel.
Good you got 7.62 though an AK47 chambered in a 5.56 just seems like a cardinal sin.
Not for me, but glad you like it though
Nice mask biden supporter
Walmart sells Mossberg Shotguns... so.. theres that🙃
I can see why it cost you $550 🕵️
Not sure what that means but hey, im sure he appreciates the view.
How would you know if it is really a Forge Trunnion ????
I need to see proof. Just because they advertise it saying it has a Forge Trunnion, that still doesn’t mean it has a Forge Trunnion…
Forged not "Forge" lol. You on here trying to make a point and can't even communicate correctly 😂
It’s not Communicate. It’s Simply spell wrong.
But yeah. It will BLOW UP. WATCH Out !!!!
@@Lee-bs2eb you can buy one, send it to a metallurgist and have it tested. Please post your results here. Thx
@@bidenisgod6978thank you for clarifying that. I totally didn't get what he saying until I read your comment. I mean thank God that you stopped and took the time to correct that mistake I bet that helped a lot of people to understand what he was trying to ask. I kinda feel a little dumb now now that I see the correction 😔 I bet you was fun at all the party's 😁lol