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Adherence to atheism by the majority of Western Jews is due to the fact that Judaism is less about theology or what the Torah/Talmud dictates but about *tradition*, to be attached to a 5000 years old tradition is a huge thing.
This is true for me. I love Judaism’s traditions but I can’t reconcile the primacy of consciousness. A god in a void has nothing to be conscious of. If consciousness doesn’t have anything to be conscious of then it can’t create a universe.
How can you adhere to atheism? Atheism is not a religion or a belief system or a worldview, it is a conclusion; that is to say, after examining the proposition of there being a god, not believing that there is a god due to there being no reason to suppose there is one and insufficient evidence to support that there is one therefore rejecting the proposition. Professing that atheism is a religion is analogous to saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
If you ask a Jewish person why are you Jewish, the number one reason nearly every Jewish person will say from secular to ultra orthodox, is that they are Jewish because their parents are Jewish and their parents before them. Judaism as such is more of a system of folklore and traditions associated to the Jewish tribe, its a culture/ethnicity not a religion. Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish is an ethnicity.
What stops Christian’s from doing the same thing or Muslims? Why are they called ex Christian’s or ex Muslim whenever they leave the faith but that’s not associated to Jewish people? Jewish people did not exist until the Torah came and that’s when they became a nation. If you don’t believe that happened then you’re simply an ex Jew. You can’t say that my ancestors believed in a myth but I still claim to be part of that myth.
Jews have multiple ethnicities. Jews are part of a nation with a common heritage and culture which has religion at its core whether you observe it or not. But, to become a Jew you have to convert. It's paradoxical but if you are a Jew, you know you are; you do not have to be defined by a non-Jew.
@@DMaybach93 This is simply not true, just ask any Jewish person, and read any Jewish source on the matter. It is impossible to be an ex-Jew because being Jewish is a matter of ethnicity, not faith. You cannot be an ex-Italian, or ex-Japanese. Judaism is not a religion in the same way Christianity or Islam is. The Torah is the folklore of the Jewish people, Jews did not become Jews because of the Torah, from both a religious and secular viewpoint Jewish identity emerged before the Bible did.
No ? God and the Jewish statues as " the chosen people " ( btw . It means to be chosen to keep tradition. It's not " the chosen one " in the American way ) god and any promises on the land are nowhere in our schools , founding documents , court rulings ect. Just because the average American doesn't know anything about the history of the place ( for example some of them are convinced evrthing in the old and new tastemst is made up ) doesn't mean the people of Israel believe thet
The secular Jews are not really believers in God, so your argument is void. They do, however, believe the Land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and that they have a rightful claim to the territory. The religious obviously have a more profound religious rooting to the land that goes beyond mere historical connection to the land. In addition, religion itself plays a most important role in the culture, and thus, Jews are often considered an ethnic -religious group.
@@SludgeMan90 i mean, they claim to be secular but deep down they are not. An indoctrinated nationalistic exclusivists is what they are, technically and practically as history shows!
Every morning I bend down on my knees and thank god for making me an atheist. Religion is just a part of Judaism. Judaism is a composition of religion, heritage, tradition, nationality, culture, morality, genetics, and humor. Different sects of Judaism just offer a different proportion of each. This is how you can be an atheist Jew by filling the space of religion with the other components.
@@rararnanan7244 yeah their definition is European zionist revisionist BS. Ethnic Semitic Jews are black and Arab. Everyone else is a convert. Which means their religious distinction is the only thing that makes them Jewish. If they said Babylonian or Khazarian that would be a different story. But without Jewish Arabs and the Arabic language itself they would have no ties to Mesopotamia or any Semitic culture. Speaking anthropologically.
Great debate guys. Debating atheism vs religion is obviously not a problem per se. But was the reported unpopularity of atheism due to the perspective, or the widespread mislike of proselytising? There's a line here somewhere.
"When you're dead, there's no being. So, there's no well being." The insufferable Dr. Peterson looked like an ass at that point. He loooooves to talk in circles. Only, this time, someone is able to follow his labyrinthine trail.
Douglas Murray is quite a strange character. He’s a conservative who is gay and atheist. He’s quite annoying in most subjects, due to his VIP atitude. But concerning the woke problem, he even got me to buy his book. Despite that, I mostly dislike him. 😂
Atheism is sooooo unscientific . It's totally dishonering to what true scientific research is all about . Open mindedness is the essence of true scientific investigation . Those who apply what scientific research has uncovered are technicians , not true researchers . It's ok for a technician to operate within a fixed paradigm but for true scientific research to take place paradigm shifting is often required. Why it's often true young science researchers are often required to challenge the paradigm or scientific dogma of the day . The old guard or priestly class of current scientific authority are often reluctant to surrender the paradigm of the day even though it's explanatory power is questionable.
Murray is trying to hold onto "the good." I get it. Billions of people still think good comes from God. Humanity must enter the Dome Of Good, we must. He is trying to light the path.
Anyone who believes that the evil, narcistic, self-indulgent, spiteful, fiend Yahweh was all things good and that good comes from this malevolent deity needs to seek professional help.
Raised as Catholic, family history etc, Had to attend Church Studies, got in a lot of trouble asking basic questions about the Big Ten!! No other God but Me!! Pray to, worship etc.. With statues of Mary everywhere also a prayer to her... As an adult I went to Christian Church, I found great people, honest and kind, family supportive, real friends... I don't have any bias against them or any other faith.. if you need it to be a better person.. all good.. I don't care.. believe as you want...
@@AtZero138: I'm third generation English, my ancestral heritage being western Ireland, and was raised in a devout Irish Roman Catholic family (the worst kind of Roman Catholicism) with, as you say, statuettes of the virgin Mary (a lie in itself as she either didn't exist or was a whore), and pictures of Jesus revealing his sacred heart, and indoctrinated by use of the Catholic Penny Catechism, an amazing brainwashing tool. I questioned everything both in the Bible and Catechism and instead of rational answers based upon analysis was told, "Never to question the teachings and truth of the Holy Catholic Church." In the UK we finish our primary education at 11 and then go into the secondary education system but I declared that I would not attend Catholic secondary education instead insisting on a secular secondary education. The response was unbelievable, the Parish Priest became involved, my maternal grandmother (my grandfather had already died) and I was referred to a psychiatrist as the Parish Priest professed that I must have a mental illness to reject god, Jesus, and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I would not capitulate and to this day (I am approaching 70) I remain atheist as I have no reason to not be. Interestingly, as a hobby (I am still a practicing Engineer as I do most of my work desktop based) I study the Bible, the origins of the Bible et al and after much research over years do not now accept that Jesus actually existed as the Pauline Epistles and Book of Acts precede the 4 Gospels as if Mark, the first of the Gospels, is examined it can be seen that without the unknown authors of Mark referring to the letters of Paul then the Gospel of Mark could not have been written, and as a consequence, neither could the other two synoptics nor the Gospel of John. So the New Testament is structured in an order which is not chronological so as to mislead the reader as Paul in his letters never knew Jesus other than in revelation (dreams) yet if the Synoptics and John are studied it can be seen that the teachings of Jesus cannot be attributed to Jesus as they are in actual fact the teachings of Paul. So all things considered, the whole precept is a crock of crap.
@@andyd9034It's both. You can be born to it & be identified as a Jew while being an atheist, & one can convert. It's obvious it's not mutually exclusive because it is what is happening. Can't remember his name (an observant Jew would know) but a famous rabbi in (Ukraine? Not sure) in the 1880s told a neighbor, "I haven't seen you at shul. Come to shul," and the neighbor answered, " I don't believe in G-d.". The rabbi said, "The G-d you don't believe in is the G-d I don't believe in." (It's good grammar in Yiddish.). "Come to shul." Participating in the community matters much more in Jewish culture than whatever belief systems one happens to have.
@@andyd9034 While it is true that Jews themselves constantly debate "what is a Jew?" any anthropologist can tell us that it is an ethnicity. Indeed, conversion is so rare that the gene pool and tribal endogamy shut out anyone who assimilates with outside groups. It is tradition, not religion, which defines Jewishness.
My favourite definition of Judaism is that it’s a family. You can be born into a family or adopted in, and both ways are valid. Jews all go back to Avraham and Sarah. Families have customs and celebrations too. The description holds up well.
@@BobSmith-lb9ncwith respect, conversion is not rare. Some of Israel’s greatest sages are converts e.g. Rabbi Akiva. As we speak, there are tens of thousands of people doing orthodox conversions, indeed the programs are full for years to come.
@@mmr2840 Noah's Ark is a fable. The Jews' historic ties to that land is not. Nor is their *Talmudic claim the driving force which brought so many there in the last 100 years, moreso a survival measure after getting raped, murdered & pogromed out of every other corner of Europe, Africa & the Middle East.
Judaism is more than just a faith in a God, it is a culture, tradition, set of values, it is the holidays you grow up with, the songs you sing, the stories that are passed down from parent to child. You can be a Jew without believing in a God, you can simply believe in your traditions, your ancestors, your values, your way of life, your culture. I am half Jewish, never believed in God for a day in my life, not in the way religion tells me to anyway. Judaism is not like Christianity or Islam, you can't be half Muslim, or a Muslim that doesn't believe in God, it doesn't work but you can easliy be an atheist Jew just like how you can be an atheist English person.
Nowadays u can actually be a cultural christian, meaning u are active in hollydays and culture but also ur atheist, I'm one of them. That's a product of separation of state and church where religion becomes voluntary rather than obligatory, something that happened by force to the jews.
@@puraLusa A possible reason for how the modern version of the Jew developed. But, either way it isn't 100% the same. You celebrate the holidays in your country that are of christian origin but in a way fully removed from the religion, for example, with Christmas, do you go to church? Sit through ceremonies? Or do you just open gifts and have a meal with family? The Jews, even non-religoious ones, still celebrate the holidays in a very similar way to those who are religious. The traditions remain the same. Also, if you are English for example, your way of celebrating the holidays will be more in line with how the English celebrate them and that is also your ethnicity; you won't celebrate the way Russians do. Jews celebrate like Jews and their ethnicity is Jewish.
@@Benjamin-vm8di not english or british, so no. Also, not just christmas but a whole bunch of religious hollydays and yes including church. I rather like the choirs, so I include sunday services sometimes in my schedual, and I'm not alone, a lot of my very atheist friends also do it. Finally, christmas isn't christian in origin, winter solestice was celebrated before being declared jesus dude birth, and exchanging gifts is on 7th january when the kings offered the presents to baby jesus. As I said, a lot of christians are cultural and have zero faith, they just like to participate in the traditions. This is very prevalent in catholicism as some festivities predate christianity and are old as the celts and are intertwined with national identity (as in nation not country) and culture.
@@puraLusa Very cool. Similar to how many Jews view their religion. With Jews the Religion is just the name of the people as well. It is basically, if England had a religion called Englandisim, where they worshio baked beans and toast, and the people were known as English. If you are born into that culture you are English but not necessarly a follower of Englishisim. England is just used as an example here, obviously.
@@Benjamin-vm8di actually england did just that, it's called anglican church which is basicly catholicism but loyalty goes to british crown as oposed to the pope and from there is full of laws who relate more to british tradition than any actual bible interpretation. A religion (and their adherants) are only under a strict set of rules if a central core strictly imposes it. As soon as there isn't one, it's members do so in a voluntary maner, thus the whole identity becomes democratic and general with no gate keeping. It's very common, hinduism has the same, u have atheist hindus.
There was a misrepresentation of Rabbi Johnathan Sacks. He was not an atheist, and neither did he see it as "kosher". He was very caring to the Jewish people and had a lot of love to give no matter what they believed in.
Male circumcision is good for male and female health. Intactivism is inherently antisemitic. Please stop mutilating yourself by trimming your hair and cutting your fingernails! LMAO!
It's not the secular Jews in Israel that are the problem - it's the Orthodox. There is a whole exception scooped out for them. They don't have to serve in the military. I am not sure they pay taxes. I think they do not have to work. There was a very interesting Al Franken podcast a couple months back where they talked about this. It is getting to be a problem for israel's economy. You should do a report on that.
It is quite easy to explain why atheists not infested by political radicalism are sympathetic to their old religion. One can be atheist and still be culturally Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jew. One can appreciate the cultual gifts of believe systems without believing in God.
Just because they’re secular does NOT mean they don’t believe in God that they don’t worship God or that they don’t believe in the Covenant. Being secular just means you dont accept Rabbinic authority and you define Jewish identity mostly on national cultural grounds. There are substantial numbers, hundreds of thousands, of secular Israelis who get together to learn traditional texts, pray, and keep holidays and many religious traditions are widely kept. Reform Judaism in Israel barely exists beyond a few small congregations in larger cities.
Then the timing could not be worse. In this age of lies, where governments and many institutions have blatantly abandoned honesty, trust is an extraordinarily valuable commodity. Well beyond the means of most.
I'd suggest that the two discussion participants expand their horizons beyond 'atheism/humanism vs mainstream religion', to explore concepts of God (or whatever label we care to use) that include - for example - insights from quantum physics, consciousness studies, Buddhist teachings, and the 'dipolar' idea of God proposed by the philosopher Alfred North Whitehead.
@@DJWESG1 I'm saying that much deeper and different conceptions of God exist than are found in (for example) a mainstream Christianity. The latter mainly paints a juvenile picture of God and is not a great benchmark by which to decide on either belief or atheism.
I came here for a moment of sanity between seeing all the horrors in the Middle East, the religious stance lots of people are taking as some kind of stand AGAINST this stuff, and all the absolutely ridiculous views coming out of woke little kids in the west. Crazy world right now and it isn’t getting better.
I would recommend KE Løgstrup to anyone interested in a philosophy, his work was a attempt to make a moral philosophy, that could be agreed upon by both religious and atheist.
Religion may have been a positive force for humanity at our most degenerate edges, and in our deepest and darkest past. But religion has nothing to do with the last couple of centuries of cultual and social growth we've seen in te West. It was present sure, but we grew despite it, not because of it. Religion in the West is helpful to some on an indiviual level (or so they 'll say), and it can be a way to bring communities together (or divide them just as likely), and it is a form of tradition in our culture that I find quaint (from a distance). But it is not a force for progress, in fact it can only be the opposite. The more Christianity is attacked by the mainstream, the more I come to appreciate it. But that appreciation fades very quickly when I look at so many of its most ardent practitioners. The same can be said for the religion of Liberalism as well, now that I think of it.
How many privileged people must do a space flight, and realize how fragile this Earth is. And while up there look away into the darkness, and still believe that other intelligent beings are out there? Surely religion is moderate in it's faith requirement by comparison. Space travel? Really? Where did you go? Did it feel like you have a place there?
It won't be a bad idea for Israel, at least for a time being. Having still newcomers from undeveloped countries will help them to catch with modern world .
How did socialism get us here? I can't see that in the US Constitution, the British Constitution or any of the constitutions of the other Commonwealth nations such as Canada or Australia.
Douglas Murray is probably the single atheist in that auditorium who would raise his hand if asked if anyone in that audience ever questioned their atheism. If only a certain small percentage of those calling themselves atheist would wrestle with these questions as he does here, it might be worth engaging with them but as it is, it’s largely a huge waste of time, IMO.
To think that Atheism is inherited in a super religious world the way religion is inherited is pretty daft. Most atheists are born religious and question their way out of it, not the inverse.
@@CSUnger "questioned their atheism"................... ^^ This sounds so stupid if you are not a religious person. Did you ever question your non-klingonism, your believe that klingons don't exist? Questioning religion is exactely what you mean. As long as you question theistic religions, including your "self-invented" ones, and don't find anything convincing you are an atheist. as soon as you question a religion that then convinces you of its truth, you cease to be an atheist. This is how it should be - at least if you are not indoctrinated by your parents who happened to have "exactly the one true religion"... 😀
Atheism and religion are two sides of the same coin and that coin is Belief. Both are dualistic. Nothing else in the known universe lives in that realm, perhaps Buddhists. Every thing else has no need for belief, but existence! In essence it’s a pointless debate, better to say “WE DON’T KNOW “.
Of your brand of Christianity or Judaism has led you to atheism, why would you wish to remain connected with it? Is it because, as an atheist, you feel a bit lost?
It heats up the surroundings until your body and the environment are at the same temperature. Simple thermodynamics. Then organisms will eat you to get all that yummy chemical energy. Just saying.
What about the big claims of the Bible? The biggest of all is the incredible and as it were impertinent claim that the Mind which made the universe ( aka God)is personally interested in each person individually and loves each one passionately. While the existence of God can be accessed by human reason, his passionate love for each of us is to be known only through revelation.
We DO NOT have to find a way to remind ourselves of why we are atheists. That sounds like an organized non-religion which would soon become an organized religion of sorts. Don't gather in groups to reinforce a belief in your non-belief. I'm now 82 years old and have been an atheist my whole life. While my sisters liked Sunday school I could never see the point in it. All my life I've tried to live by my own morals which are based on what I can see about suffering and trust, in other words humanism (no capital h). Have failed myself many times, but at least I have never asked a sky-god for forgiveness. Apparently he hands out forgiveness like peanuts if you give his church money.
I totally believe in God, His Son Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit. Do not judge Christianity by those so called Christians who do not represent what Jesus taught. They are not Christians but masquerading as such.
You believe in a god and that Jesus was a real person as a matter of faith but not as a position based upon evidence as there isn't any so your position is built on foundations of sand. You only believe that nonsense as that is what you have been conditioned to and indoctrinated with by your peers from your early years when your mind was malleable and open to suggestion as you knew no better. Your intellect was not yet developed so that you could assess and evaluate what you were told and make an evidence based conclusion on which to base your worldview. You are therefore a product of 'the system', pre-conditioned to fit into your designated pigeonhole - be good and you'll be rewarded in heaven, be bad and burn in the flames of hell for all eternity. It's all so childish, anyone who subscribes to this is only worthy of ridicule. The god of the Old Testament, Yahweh, was an evil, spiteful, self indulgent, narcistic, fiend and anyone subscribing to this mythological deity being all things good needs to question their own definition of morality as anyone mature reading the Bible would conclude that the god of the Old Testament is pure evil and not deserving of worship but deserving of contempt. You base your position on an old story written by unknown authors and to base a worldview on that is irrational.
The biggest thing to happen in three centuries (since Newton) is quantum physics proving the observable universe is "not locally real". Since Newton we've considered the observable universe to be "locally real". Both Newton and Einstein's calculus and geometry require the observable universe to be "locally real" and it just isn't. Leibniz, the guy we didn’t choose three centuries ago, based his calculus and geometry off the observable universe being "not locally real". TL;DR: we only have all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions" due to us all being taught logic, calculus and geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level. Leibniz or Newton: Quantum mechanics is more compatible with Leibniz's relational view of the universe than Newton's absolute view of the universe. In Newton's absolute view, space and time are absolute and independent entities that exist on their own, independent of the objects and events that take place within them. This view implies that there is a privileged observer who can observe the universe from a neutral and objective perspective. On the other hand, Leibniz's relational view holds that space and time are not absolute, but are instead relational concepts that are defined by the relationships between objects and events in the universe. This view implies that there is no privileged observer and that observations are always made from a particular point of view. Quantum mechanics is more compatible with the relational view because it emphasizes the role of observers and the context of measurement in determining the properties of particles. In quantum mechanics, the properties of particles are not absolute, but are instead defined by their relationships with other particles and the measuring apparatus. This means that observations are always made from a particular point of view and that there is no neutral and objective perspective. Overall, quantum mechanics suggests that the universe is fundamentally relational rather than absolute, and is therefore more compatible with Leibniz's relational view than Newton's absolute view. What are the two kinds of truth according to Leibniz? There are two kinds of truths, those of reasoning and those of fact. Truths of fact are contingent and their opposite is possible. Truths of reasoning are necessary and their opposite is impossible. What is the difference between Newton and Leibniz calculus? Newton's calculus is about functions. Leibniz's calculus is about relations defined by constraints. In Newton's calculus, there is (what would now be called) a limit built into every operation. In Leibniz's calculus, the limit is a separate operation. What are the arguments against Leibniz? Critics of Leibniz argue that the world contains an amount of suffering too great to permit belief in philosophical optimism. The claim that we live in the best of all possible worlds drew scorn most notably from Voltaire, who lampooned it in his comic novella Candide.
Contradictory: *impossible to be true.* Non-contradictory: *possible to be true.* ❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (knowing good; functions; limit built into every operation)❌️: 1. The Gen 1 character and the Gen 2 character are the exact same character (knowing good). 2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus). 3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein physics). ⬆️ this is what we're all taught. Materialist/Empiricist version of reality.⬆️ ✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (knowing good from evil; relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️: 1. The Gen 1 character and the Gen 2 character are polar opposite characters (knowing good from evil). 2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics). ⬆️ this is what quantum physics proved a year ago and if Theology doesn't match Math and Physics then you're doing it wrong. Realist version of reality.⬆️ [🦄Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]: Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍 [🦤Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]: The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers. Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago. (Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧 [Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]: locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary") not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent") [Closing arguments]: The Materialism/Empiricism package contains within itself all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? Legitimate question 🙋. If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (contradictory for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (non-contradictory for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).
[Infinity and zero, theology, soul]: in·fin·i·ty MATHEMATICS a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞). (In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects). What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary? a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity. b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers. Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it. Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it. Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)? Well, 0D is outside of space and time: 0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless 1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions 4D (natural) = temporal dimension Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language. Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1. Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them. In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for atomic protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension). "Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)". A) The postulated soul, 👻, has 1. no spatial extension 2. zero size 3. exact location only B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension. Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.
[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]: 0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions. 0D monad (Creator event horizon) 1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions 1D line 2D width 3D height 4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions 4D length 5D breadth 6D depth 7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions 7D continuous 8D emission 9D absorption 10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon) It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side. The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God. The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God. Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator), and we know some crazy sci-fi stuff about black holes. It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real). The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Deity; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Deity; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷♂️). Elohim was "syncretized" to just mean El during the Babylonian captivity. To avoid this simply use the Latin, "unsyncretized", counterpart Deity for possessive (God's) and plural (gods) context. (Septuagint and Vulgate use Post-Babylonian captivity "syncretized" meaning of Elohim so mistranslate as Theos and Deus, respectively). Gen 2-3 introduces the placeholder Elohim (not locally real) and their blind, foolish chief running amok. Plurality of bad guy that 'are' each other and 'are not' God. Nephilim are sons of the false Elohim associated with Yahweh (the BAAL, or LORD, of the gods).
[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]: Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things. The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both. The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.* It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people. [In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]: 1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force. 2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together. 3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions. 4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter. 5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz. 6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics. 7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions. [Monad in mathematics, science and technology]: Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point
"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?” And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them. The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought. And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
I'm a strict Monotheist and Iconoclast. I don't believe in what people call "God", but I do believe in the Spirit of G-d as revealed in much of the Tanakh. Bottom line: Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, but by all means do get rid of the bathwater or the baby will drown. Am Yisrael Chai
I despise Matt, love Doug. Its like having a guy who watches cartoon, plays video games and porn all day talk with a guy who writes books, covers wars, and is a true intellectual. How anyone can find Matt intelligent, I dont know. Just plays to the lowest common denominator.
So? The majority of people in the world look at their culture and history and consider them as jews. Another thing even the secular jews hold jewish holidays. They celebrate bar and bat mizva the turn from a child to an adult and most are buried. In a jewish cemetery and with a jewish prayer. So secular yes but not so much.
America was founded by Christan fundamentalist. Gods' manifest destiny to conquer the new world and estiblish a new Israel. Christian nationalism is bedrock of American identity. The separation of church & state resulted in combining of zealotry & politics.
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Free Palestine from Islam.
Adherence to atheism by the majority of Western Jews is due to the fact that Judaism is less about theology or what the Torah/Talmud dictates but about *tradition*, to be attached to a 5000 years old tradition is a huge thing.
This is true for me.
I love Judaism’s traditions but I can’t reconcile the primacy of consciousness. A god in a void has nothing to be conscious of. If consciousness doesn’t have anything to be conscious of then it can’t create a universe.
How can you adhere to atheism?
Atheism is not a religion or a belief system or a worldview, it is a conclusion; that is to say, after examining the proposition of there being a god, not believing that there is a god due to there being no reason to suppose there is one and insufficient evidence to support that there is one therefore rejecting the proposition.
Professing that atheism is a religion is analogous to saying that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
There’s no such thing as atheism. It can’t be ‘adhered to’ because it has no content.
@@DavidRobinson-rj2sp Within Judaism a tradition of thought that led Jews to atheism. Perhaps adherence was a bad choice of word to use.
@@Individualist73 Consciouness didn't create a universe, it didn't need to be created because it was always there long before we were.
If you ask a Jewish person why are you Jewish, the number one reason nearly every Jewish person will say from secular to ultra orthodox, is that they are Jewish because their parents are Jewish and their parents before them. Judaism as such is more of a system of folklore and traditions associated to the Jewish tribe, its a culture/ethnicity not a religion. Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish is an ethnicity.
If Judaism was an ethnicity you would all be East African.
What stops Christian’s from doing the same thing or Muslims? Why are they called ex Christian’s or ex Muslim whenever they leave the faith but that’s not associated to Jewish people?
Jewish people did not exist until the Torah came and that’s when they became a nation. If you don’t believe that happened then you’re simply an ex Jew. You can’t say that my ancestors believed in a myth but I still claim to be part of that myth.
Jews have multiple ethnicities. Jews are part of a nation with a common heritage and culture which has religion at its core whether you observe it or not. But, to become a Jew you have to convert. It's paradoxical but if you are a Jew, you know you are; you do not have to be defined by a non-Jew.
@@DMaybach93 Actually, the law is in the Talmud. And the people identified as the Hebrews in the bible were a people before the Torah.
@@DMaybach93 This is simply not true, just ask any Jewish person, and read any Jewish source on the matter. It is impossible to be an ex-Jew because being Jewish is a matter of ethnicity, not faith. You cannot be an ex-Italian, or ex-Japanese. Judaism is not a religion in the same way Christianity or Islam is. The Torah is the folklore of the Jewish people, Jews did not become Jews because of the Torah, from both a religious and secular viewpoint Jewish identity emerged before the Bible did.
They are secular but believe that god alloted the promised land to his chosen people!
No ? God and the Jewish statues as " the chosen people " ( btw . It means to be chosen to keep tradition. It's not " the chosen one " in the American way ) god and any promises on the land are nowhere in our schools , founding documents , court rulings ect. Just because the average American doesn't know anything about the history of the place ( for example some of them are convinced evrthing in the old and new tastemst is made up ) doesn't mean the people of Israel believe thet
No, neither of them believes that.
The secular Jews are not really believers in God, so your argument is void. They do, however, believe the Land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and that they have a rightful claim to the territory. The religious obviously have a more profound religious rooting to the land that goes beyond mere historical connection to the land. In addition, religion itself plays a most important role in the culture, and thus, Jews are often considered an ethnic -religious group.
@@SludgeMan90 i mean, they claim to be secular but deep down they are not. An indoctrinated nationalistic exclusivists is what they are, technically and practically as history shows!
@@blue24563Zionists??
Douglas doesn't believe in God but believes God gave Israel to the Jewish People. Make it make sense
Easy. He doesn’t believe God gave Israel to the Jewish People.
That's not what he believes. Nice strawman argument.
Being a secular Jew is like being a married bachelor.
A logical contradiction.
If this is what you think then you don't know the first thing about being Jewish 💁♀️
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ DOUGLAS MURRAY
Every morning I bend down on my knees and thank god for making me an atheist.
Religion is just a part of Judaism. Judaism is a composition of religion, heritage, tradition, nationality, culture, morality, genetics, and humor. Different sects of Judaism just offer a different proportion of each. This is how you can be an atheist Jew by filling the space of religion with the other components.
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كيف تشكر الله أنت لاتؤمن بوجود !
هل أنت تؤمن بوجود خالق لاكنك ترفض الأديان؟
“Atheist Jew” is an oxymoron.
@@kennybachman35 That is a false statement which obviously ignores the definition given above.
@@rararnanan7244 yeah their definition is European zionist revisionist BS. Ethnic Semitic Jews are black and Arab. Everyone else is a convert. Which means their religious distinction is the only thing that makes them Jewish. If they said Babylonian or Khazarian that would be a different story. But without Jewish Arabs and the Arabic language itself they would have no ties to Mesopotamia or any Semitic culture. Speaking anthropologically.
And Israel still has a right to exist.
Great debate guys. Debating atheism vs religion is obviously not a problem per se. But was the reported unpopularity of atheism due to the perspective, or the widespread mislike of proselytising? There's a line here somewhere.
Since most people don’t like to be duped or persuaded to believe in something they already dislike, I’d put more weight on the proselytizing scale.
Shhhh. The correct term now is Humanist. Not atheist . Atheist is too harsh.
"When you're dead, there's no being. So, there's no well being."
The insufferable Dr. Peterson looked like an ass at that point. He loooooves to talk in circles.
Only, this time, someone is able to follow his labyrinthine trail.
Douglas Murray is quite a strange character. He’s a conservative who is gay and atheist.
He’s quite annoying in most subjects, due to his VIP atitude. But concerning the woke problem, he even got me to buy his book.
Despite that, I mostly dislike him. 😂
Then don't watch him
@@ginabisaillon2894 are you 10 years old?
Human Rights is the Highest on this Earth by now.
More atheism - more science and technology.
😂 let the atheist bring more science and technology.. stop stealing from believers.
@@denniscanales4780you don’t believe in science.
Oh no then the AI will kill us man
@@denniscanales4780you win the dopey comment of the year. Please name what atheists stole from sky daddy believers?
Atheism is sooooo unscientific . It's totally dishonering to what true scientific research is all about . Open mindedness is the essence of true scientific investigation . Those who apply what scientific research has uncovered are technicians , not true researchers . It's ok for a technician to operate within a fixed paradigm but for true scientific research to take place paradigm shifting is often required. Why it's often true young science researchers are often required to challenge the paradigm or scientific dogma of the day . The old guard or priestly class of current scientific authority are often reluctant to surrender the paradigm of the day even though it's explanatory power is questionable.
Murray is trying to hold onto "the good."
I get it. Billions of people still think good comes from God.
Humanity must enter the Dome Of Good, we must.
He is trying to light the path.
Anyone who believes that the evil, narcistic, self-indulgent, spiteful, fiend Yahweh was all things good and that good comes from this malevolent deity needs to seek professional help.
Raised as Catholic, family history etc, Had to attend Church Studies, got in a lot of trouble asking basic questions about the Big Ten!! No other God but Me!!
Pray to, worship etc..
With statues of Mary everywhere also a prayer to her...
As an adult I went to Christian Church,
I found great people, honest and kind, family supportive, real friends...
I don't have any bias against them or any other faith.. if you need it to be a better person.. all good..
I don't care.. believe as you want...
@@AtZero138: I'm third generation English, my ancestral heritage being western Ireland, and was raised in a devout Irish Roman Catholic family (the worst kind of Roman Catholicism) with, as you say, statuettes of the virgin Mary (a lie in itself as she either didn't exist or was a whore), and pictures of Jesus revealing his sacred heart, and indoctrinated by use of the Catholic Penny Catechism, an amazing brainwashing tool.
I questioned everything both in the Bible and Catechism and instead of rational answers based upon analysis was told, "Never to question the teachings and truth of the Holy Catholic Church."
In the UK we finish our primary education at 11 and then go into the secondary education system but I declared that I would not attend Catholic secondary education instead insisting on a secular secondary education.
The response was unbelievable, the Parish Priest became involved, my maternal grandmother (my grandfather had already died) and I was referred to a psychiatrist as the Parish Priest professed that I must have a mental illness to reject god, Jesus, and the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
I would not capitulate and to this day (I am approaching 70) I remain atheist as I have no reason to not be.
Interestingly, as a hobby (I am still a practicing Engineer as I do most of my work desktop based) I study the Bible, the origins of the Bible et al and after much research over years do not now accept that Jesus actually existed as the Pauline Epistles and Book of Acts precede the 4 Gospels as if Mark, the first of the Gospels, is examined it can be seen that without the unknown authors of Mark referring to the letters of Paul then the Gospel of Mark could not have been written, and as a consequence, neither could the other two synoptics nor the Gospel of John.
So the New Testament is structured in an order which is not chronological so as to mislead the reader as Paul in his letters never knew Jesus other than in revelation (dreams) yet if the Synoptics and John are studied it can be seen that the teachings of Jesus cannot be attributed to Jesus as they are in actual fact the teachings of Paul.
So all things considered, the whole precept is a crock of crap.
Humanity is damned by original sin. Neither your ethnicity nor your individualism can save you.
@@DavidRobinson-rj2sp God is goodness itself, you are the one who is all of those things, if you havent regcognized. I am also.
Dillahunty might want to read "Tevye's Daughters," or see the film "Fiddler on the Roof." Being Jewish is an ethnicity.
In some peoples view...however you can convert to judaism irrespective of your ethnicity, so I've always been sceptical of that argument
@@andyd9034It's both. You can be born to it & be identified as a Jew while being an atheist, & one can convert. It's obvious it's not mutually exclusive because it is what is happening.
Can't remember his name (an observant Jew would know) but a famous rabbi in (Ukraine? Not sure) in the 1880s told a neighbor, "I haven't seen you at shul. Come to shul," and the neighbor answered, " I don't believe in G-d.". The rabbi said, "The G-d you don't believe in is the G-d I don't believe in." (It's good grammar in Yiddish.). "Come to shul."
Participating in the community matters much more in Jewish culture than whatever belief systems one happens to have.
@@andyd9034 While it is true that Jews themselves constantly debate "what is a Jew?" any anthropologist can tell us that it is an ethnicity. Indeed, conversion is so rare that the gene pool and tribal endogamy shut out anyone who assimilates with outside groups. It is tradition, not religion, which defines Jewishness.
My favourite definition of Judaism is that it’s a family. You can be born into a family or adopted in, and both ways are valid. Jews all go back to Avraham and Sarah. Families have customs and celebrations too. The description holds up well.
@@BobSmith-lb9ncwith respect, conversion is not rare. Some of Israel’s greatest sages are converts e.g. Rabbi Akiva. As we speak, there are tens of thousands of people doing orthodox conversions, indeed the programs are full for years to come.
I hope this shuts up the palestine supporters who constantly claim Israel to be theocratic.
The government isn't equal to the people.
I suppose the thought of secular Muslims might make them self-destruct.
Was not it based on the myths and fables of the bible that they came back reclaiming their thousands years lost kingdom?
So, do you believe God is a real estate agent?
@@mmr2840 Noah's Ark is a fable. The Jews' historic ties to that land is not. Nor is their *Talmudic claim the driving force which brought so many there in the last 100 years, moreso a survival measure after getting raped, murdered & pogromed out of every other corner of Europe, Africa & the Middle East.
Judaism is more than just a faith in a God, it is a culture, tradition, set of values, it is the holidays you grow up with, the songs you sing, the stories that are passed down from parent to child.
You can be a Jew without believing in a God, you can simply believe in your traditions, your ancestors, your values, your way of life, your culture.
I am half Jewish, never believed in God for a day in my life, not in the way religion tells me to anyway. Judaism is not like Christianity or Islam, you can't be half Muslim, or a Muslim that doesn't believe in God, it doesn't work but you can easliy be an atheist Jew just like how you can be an atheist English person.
Nowadays u can actually be a cultural christian, meaning u are active in hollydays and culture but also ur atheist, I'm one of them. That's a product of separation of state and church where religion becomes voluntary rather than obligatory, something that happened by force to the jews.
@@puraLusa A possible reason for how the modern version of the Jew developed. But, either way it isn't 100% the same.
You celebrate the holidays in your country that are of christian origin but in a way fully removed from the religion, for example, with Christmas, do you go to church? Sit through ceremonies? Or do you just open gifts and have a meal with family?
The Jews, even non-religoious ones, still celebrate the holidays in a very similar way to those who are religious. The traditions remain the same.
Also, if you are English for example, your way of celebrating the holidays will be more in line with how the English celebrate them and that is also your ethnicity; you won't celebrate the way Russians do.
Jews celebrate like Jews and their ethnicity is Jewish.
@@Benjamin-vm8di not english or british, so no. Also, not just christmas but a whole bunch of religious hollydays and yes including church. I rather like the choirs, so I include sunday services sometimes in my schedual, and I'm not alone, a lot of my very atheist friends also do it. Finally, christmas isn't christian in origin, winter solestice was celebrated before being declared jesus dude birth, and exchanging gifts is on 7th january when the kings offered the presents to baby jesus. As I said, a lot of christians are cultural and have zero faith, they just like to participate in the traditions. This is very prevalent in catholicism as some festivities predate christianity and are old as the celts and are intertwined with national identity (as in nation not country) and culture.
@@puraLusa Very cool. Similar to how many Jews view their religion.
With Jews the Religion is just the name of the people as well.
It is basically, if England had a religion called Englandisim, where they worshio baked beans and toast, and the people were known as English. If you are born into that culture you are English but not necessarly a follower of Englishisim.
England is just used as an example here, obviously.
@@Benjamin-vm8di actually england did just that, it's called anglican church which is basicly catholicism but loyalty goes to british crown as oposed to the pope and from there is full of laws who relate more to british tradition than any actual bible interpretation. A religion (and their adherants) are only under a strict set of rules if a central core strictly imposes it. As soon as there isn't one, it's members do so in a voluntary maner, thus the whole identity becomes democratic and general with no gate keeping. It's very common, hinduism has the same, u have atheist hindus.
There was a misrepresentation of Rabbi Johnathan Sacks. He was not an atheist, and neither did he see it as "kosher". He was very caring to the Jewish people and had a lot of love to give no matter what they believed in.
Israel needs the intactivism movement to catch on
Yes!
Male circumcision is good for male and female health. Intactivism is inherently antisemitic.
Please stop mutilating yourself by trimming your hair and cutting your fingernails! LMAO!
It's not the secular Jews in Israel that are the problem - it's the Orthodox. There is a whole exception scooped out for them. They don't have to serve in the military. I am not sure they pay taxes. I think they do not have to work. There was a very interesting Al Franken podcast a couple months back where they talked about this. It is getting to be a problem for israel's economy. You should do a report on that.
Anyone who thinks ‘the Orthodox’ don’t serve in the military is completely ignorant about Israeli society and really ought to shut their mouths.
@@BigJFindAWay Instead of being a jerk, enlighten us all about the role of the orthodox, know-it-all.
It is quite easy to explain why atheists not infested by political radicalism are sympathetic to their old religion. One can be atheist and still be culturally Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jew.
One can appreciate the cultual gifts of believe systems without believing in God.
Israel has two states; Jewish state in West on Mediterranean coast, Muslim state in East in the hills along Jordan river
Just because they’re secular does NOT mean they don’t believe in God that they don’t worship God or that they don’t believe in the Covenant. Being secular just means you dont accept Rabbinic authority and you define Jewish identity mostly on national cultural grounds. There are substantial numbers, hundreds of thousands, of secular Israelis who get together to learn traditional texts, pray, and keep holidays and many religious traditions are widely kept. Reform Judaism in Israel barely exists beyond a few small congregations in larger cities.
Then the timing could not be worse. In this age of lies, where governments and many institutions have blatantly abandoned honesty, trust is an extraordinarily valuable commodity. Well beyond the means of most.
I'd suggest that the two discussion participants expand their horizons beyond 'atheism/humanism vs mainstream religion', to explore concepts of God (or whatever label we care to use) that include - for example - insights from quantum physics, consciousness studies, Buddhist teachings, and the 'dipolar' idea of God proposed by the philosopher Alfred North Whitehead.
So you want God to exist in all academic study and theory?
@@DJWESG1 I'm saying that much deeper and different conceptions of God exist than are found in (for example) a mainstream Christianity. The latter mainly paints a juvenile picture of God and is not a great benchmark by which to decide on either belief or atheism.
I came here for a moment of sanity between seeing all the horrors in the Middle East, the religious stance lots of people are taking as some kind of stand AGAINST this stuff, and all the absolutely ridiculous views coming out of woke little kids in the west. Crazy world right now and it isn’t getting better.
I would recommend KE Løgstrup to anyone interested in a philosophy, his work was a attempt to make a moral philosophy, that could be agreed upon by both religious and atheist.
The Church of England is most certainly not " suffocating ".It allows people to breath freely.
Don't tell Henry8 he'll have you beheaded.
Religion may have been a positive force for humanity at our most degenerate edges, and in our deepest and darkest past. But religion has nothing to do with the last couple of centuries of cultual and social growth we've seen in te West. It was present sure, but we grew despite it, not because of it.
Religion in the West is helpful to some on an indiviual level (or so they 'll say), and it can be a way to bring communities together (or divide them just as likely), and it is a form of tradition in our culture that I find quaint (from a distance). But it is not a force for progress, in fact it can only be the opposite.
The more Christianity is attacked by the mainstream, the more I come to appreciate it. But that appreciation fades very quickly when I look at so many of its most ardent practitioners. The same can be said for the religion of Liberalism as well, now that I think of it.
You are a dying race of people it is only a matter of time before you finally close your eyes. The removal of religion has doomed you
How many privileged people must do a space flight, and realize how fragile this Earth is. And while up there look away into the darkness, and still believe that other intelligent beings are out there? Surely religion is moderate in it's faith requirement by comparison. Space travel? Really? Where did you go? Did it feel like you have a place there?
Douglas Murry wants us all to embrace what got us here..
So we must all embrace socialism in murrys own words.
It won't be a bad idea for Israel, at least for a time being.
Having still newcomers from undeveloped countries will help them to catch with modern world .
How did socialism get us here? I can't see that in the US Constitution, the British Constitution or any of the constitutions of the other Commonwealth nations such as Canada or Australia.
Brain dead comment
Better to be compassionate, than "Good". Doing good, because its belived to be a virtue is somewhat fake.
The majority of Israeli Jews don't believe in God. But they do believe God promised them Palestine.
Ur confusing secular with atheist 😂. Also, ur confusing with historical conection with religious belief. The amount of confusion is hilarious 😂
@@puraLusa Read it again. You sound confused.
@@laughingman3777 I did, not confused at all but lolling a lot.
@@puraLusa We're lolling at you too mate
@@laughingman3777 😂 it's in ur nickname. U'll probably stop at the 3777 lol 🤣
Douglas Murray is probably the single atheist in that auditorium who would raise his hand if asked if anyone in that audience ever questioned their atheism. If only a certain small percentage of those calling themselves atheist would wrestle with these questions as he does here, it might be worth engaging with them but as it is, it’s largely a huge waste of time, IMO.
To think that Atheism is inherited in a super religious world the way religion is inherited is pretty daft. Most atheists are born religious and question their way out of it, not the inverse.
@@IRenegadEEEEE You have reliable data to confirm your thesis, I presume?
@@CSUnger "questioned their atheism"................... ^^
This sounds so stupid if you are not a religious person.
Did you ever question your non-klingonism, your believe that klingons don't exist?
Questioning religion is exactely what you mean.
As long as you question theistic religions, including your "self-invented" ones, and don't find anything convincing you are an atheist.
as soon as you question a religion that then convinces you of its truth, you cease to be an atheist.
This is how it should be - at least if you are not indoctrinated by your parents who happened to have "exactly the one true religion"... 😀
Mo Ru You will probably never know just how ridiculous your post is.
@@CSUnger I got my data from the same place you got yours.
If someone could link Seth Andrews piece about the stolen logos and stuff I'd be very grateful!
Sounds like a hoot!
And just about 100% Palestinians are religious and voted in Hamas
Atheism and religion are two sides of the same coin and that coin is Belief. Both are dualistic. Nothing else in the known universe lives in that realm, perhaps Buddhists. Every thing else has no need for belief, but existence! In essence it’s a pointless debate, better to say “WE DON’T KNOW “.
I really want to be friends with god but I'm an atheist
Of your brand of Christianity or Judaism has led you to atheism, why would you wish to remain connected with it? Is it because, as an atheist, you feel a bit lost?
You can't destroy or create energy. Energy leaves our bodies and goes somewhere when we die.......... Just saying.
It heats up the surroundings until your body and the environment are at the same temperature. Simple thermodynamics. Then organisms will eat you to get all that yummy chemical energy. Just saying.
Lol......enjoy your bugs afterlife JS toots
Douglas 1 : 0 Matt
Take A Moment
I am a Jewish atheist. It's all mythology.
Stay Safe and Stay Free
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What about the big claims of the Bible? The biggest of all is the incredible and as it were impertinent claim that the Mind which made the universe ( aka God)is personally interested in each person individually and loves each one passionately. While the existence of God can be accessed by human reason, his passionate love for each of us is to be known only through revelation.
Free Palestine from Islam.
More than 50% of israeli are secular.
We DO NOT have to find a way to remind ourselves of why we are atheists. That sounds like an organized non-religion which would soon become an organized religion of sorts. Don't gather in groups to reinforce a belief in your non-belief. I'm now 82 years old and have been an atheist my whole life. While my sisters liked Sunday school I could never see the point in it. All my life I've tried to live by my own morals which are based on what I can see about suffering and trust, in other words humanism (no capital h). Have failed myself many times, but at least I have never asked a sky-god for forgiveness. Apparently he hands out forgiveness like peanuts if you give his church money.
I totally believe in God, His Son Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit. Do not judge Christianity by those so called Christians who do not represent what Jesus taught. They are not Christians but masquerading as such.
You believe in a god and that Jesus was a real person as a matter of faith but not as a position based upon evidence as there isn't any so your position is built on foundations of sand.
You only believe that nonsense as that is what you have been conditioned to and indoctrinated with by your peers from your early years when your mind was malleable and open to suggestion as you knew no better. Your intellect was not yet developed so that you could assess and evaluate what you were told and make an evidence based conclusion on which to base your worldview. You are therefore a product of 'the system', pre-conditioned to fit into your designated pigeonhole - be good and you'll be rewarded in heaven, be bad and burn in the flames of hell for all eternity. It's all so childish, anyone who subscribes to this is only worthy of ridicule.
The god of the Old Testament, Yahweh, was an evil, spiteful, self indulgent, narcistic, fiend and anyone subscribing to this mythological deity being all things good needs to question their own definition of morality as anyone mature reading the Bible would conclude that the god of the Old Testament is pure evil and not deserving of worship but deserving of contempt.
You base your position on an old story written by unknown authors and to base a worldview on that is irrational.
“So called Christians “ 😂😂😂 whatever, 🤡
There are NO Unbelievers in the foxhole no? 😉
The biggest thing to happen in three centuries (since Newton) is quantum physics proving the observable universe is "not locally real".
Since Newton we've considered the observable universe to be "locally real".
Both Newton and Einstein's calculus and geometry require the observable universe to be "locally real" and it just isn't.
Leibniz, the guy we didn’t choose three centuries ago, based his calculus and geometry off the observable universe being "not locally real".
TL;DR: we only have all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions" due to us all being taught logic, calculus and geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level.
Leibniz or Newton:
Quantum mechanics is more compatible with Leibniz's relational view of the universe than Newton's absolute view of the universe.
In Newton's absolute view, space and time are absolute and independent entities that exist on their own, independent of the objects and events that take place within them. This view implies that there is a privileged observer who can observe the universe from a neutral and objective perspective.
On the other hand, Leibniz's relational view holds that space and time are not absolute, but are instead relational concepts that are defined by the relationships between objects and events in the universe. This view implies that there is no privileged observer and that observations are always made from a particular point of view.
Quantum mechanics is more compatible with the relational view because it emphasizes the role of observers and the context of measurement in determining the properties of particles. In quantum mechanics, the properties of particles are not absolute, but are instead defined by their relationships with other particles and the measuring apparatus. This means that observations are always made from a particular point of view and that there is no neutral and objective perspective.
Overall, quantum mechanics suggests that the universe is fundamentally relational rather than absolute, and is therefore more compatible with Leibniz's relational view than Newton's absolute view.
What are the two kinds of truth according to Leibniz?
There are two kinds of truths, those of reasoning and those of fact. Truths of fact are contingent and their opposite is possible. Truths of reasoning are necessary and their opposite is impossible.
What is the difference between Newton and Leibniz calculus?
Newton's calculus is about functions.
Leibniz's calculus is about relations defined by constraints.
In Newton's calculus, there is (what would now be called) a limit built into every operation.
In Leibniz's calculus, the limit is a separate operation.
What are the arguments against Leibniz?
Critics of Leibniz argue that the world contains an amount of suffering too great to permit belief in philosophical optimism. The claim that we live in the best of all possible worlds drew scorn most notably from Voltaire, who lampooned it in his comic novella Candide.
Contradictory: *impossible to be true.*
Non-contradictory: *possible to be true.*
❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (knowing good; functions; limit built into every operation)❌️:
1. The Gen 1 character and the Gen 2 character are the exact same character (knowing good).
2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus).
3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein physics).
⬆️ this is what we're all taught. Materialist/Empiricist version of reality.⬆️
✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (knowing good from evil; relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️:
1. The Gen 1 character and the Gen 2 character are polar opposite characters (knowing good from evil).
2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus).
3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics).
⬆️ this is what quantum physics proved a year ago and if Theology doesn't match Math and Physics then you're doing it wrong. Realist version of reality.⬆️
[🦄Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]:
Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍
[🦤Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]:
The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers.
Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago.
(Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧
[Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]:
locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary")
not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent")
[Closing arguments]:
The Materialism/Empiricism package contains within itself all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? Legitimate question 🙋.
If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (contradictory for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (non-contradictory for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).
[Infinity and zero, theology, soul]:
in·fin·i·ty
MATHEMATICS
a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞).
(In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects).
What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary?
a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity.
b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers.
Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it.
Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it.
Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)?
Well, 0D is outside of space and time:
0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless
1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions
4D (natural) = temporal dimension
Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language.
Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1.
Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them.
In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for atomic protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension).
"Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)".
A) The postulated soul, 👻, has
1. no spatial extension
2. zero size
3. exact location only
B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension.
Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.
[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]:
0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions.
0D monad (Creator event horizon)
1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions
1D line
2D width
3D height
4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions
4D length
5D breadth
6D depth
7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions
7D continuous
8D emission
9D absorption
10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon)
It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side.
The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God.
The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God.
Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator), and we know some crazy sci-fi stuff about black holes.
It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real).
The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Deity; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Deity; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷♂️).
Elohim was "syncretized" to just mean El during the Babylonian captivity. To avoid this simply use the Latin, "unsyncretized", counterpart Deity for possessive (God's) and plural (gods) context. (Septuagint and Vulgate use Post-Babylonian captivity "syncretized" meaning of Elohim so mistranslate as Theos and Deus, respectively).
Gen 2-3 introduces the placeholder Elohim (not locally real) and their blind, foolish chief running amok. Plurality of bad guy that 'are' each other and 'are not' God.
Nephilim are sons of the false Elohim associated with Yahweh (the BAAL, or LORD, of the gods).
[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]:
Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things.
The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both.
The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.*
It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people.
[In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]:
1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force.
2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together.
3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions.
4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter.
5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz.
6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics.
7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions.
[Monad in mathematics, science and technology]:
Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism
Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory
Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation
Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex
Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point
"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter
THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME
And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?”
And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them.
The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought.
And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all.
Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them.
For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me.
It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
Just to show that debate is totally useless.
Those boots! Please stop Matt….
Dogless Murray you go girl.
He is more of a MAN and a good person then you will ever be
How mature to talk of rent boys
I'm a strict Monotheist and Iconoclast. I don't believe in what people call "God", but I do believe in the Spirit of G-d as revealed in much of the Tanakh.
Bottom line: Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, but by all means do get rid of the bathwater or the baby will drown.
Am Yisrael Chai
The evilest people in history
That is why I support Israel
This Murray guy is a zero
I despise Matt, love Doug. Its like having a guy who watches cartoon, plays video games and porn all day talk with a guy who writes books, covers wars, and is a true intellectual. How anyone can find Matt intelligent, I dont know. Just plays to the lowest common denominator.
Douglas is a spiritually confused man having contorted himself into the knot he is presently in.
So? The majority of people in the world look at their culture and history and consider them as jews. Another thing even the secular jews hold jewish holidays. They celebrate bar and bat mizva the turn from a child to an adult and most are buried. In a jewish cemetery and with a jewish prayer. So secular yes but not so much.
America was founded by Christan fundamentalist. Gods' manifest destiny to conquer the new world and estiblish a new Israel. Christian nationalism is bedrock of American identity. The separation of church & state resulted in combining of zealotry & politics.