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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2023
- The former editor for AVGN speaks out further about his experience working on the show.
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Kieran, Justin, and Tony were given a golden opportunity riding off the back of James. The thing they never quite understood was people were there to see James not them.
41k a year is pretty trash. That doesn't sound like a golden opportunity, it sounds like exploiting your workers because you're a celebrity
@@michaelcorcoran8768 if he was more likable he would have a larger fan base
Btw, do u have any clue how many hours he was putting in for that 41k? Just sayin…
It's James' money. It doesn't matter how much he makes. If you edit videos for him, you should make as much as a video editor, not as much as a doctor. This is insane.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 60K a month on adsense doesn't add up I think they make chump change unless all the other merch and ads they run on AVGN makes millions of dollars a year then I would agree with you. Still he should have made 20K more a year if they could swing for it or if Kieran could prove that investing in him was a wise decision.
@chewie1644 you took the job tho, hasn't it been said if you don't like it? Find a new job
If they thought Kieran was an issue, then they suck for leaving him as the sole writer of the show.
Cinemassacre and Screenwave both seem to be very poorly managed companies.
@@samsquanch1996 You got that right.
I was thinking the same thing as they were saying it.
is that why there last episode like sucked?
it just wasn't very good.
@@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629 Cinemassacre's content has been sucking since at least 2017.
It’s an anecdotal story, but I met James at an event and the screen wave guys were there. James was awesome and polite, seemed generally happy to meet everyone. The screen wave guys were loud and tried to interject themselves into conversations as most people were ignoring them over James. Now, that’s my experience and doesn’t paint the whole picture, and obviously doesn’t have anything to do with Joe he should or shouldn’t have been compensated for his work, but it does paint a little picture on how the cinemassacre/screen wave combination wasn’t quite working.
I've never heard a bad experience from anyone with James ever. Seems a fairly timid decent enough guy. Considering he's the Angry Video Game Nerd I doubt he ever really gets angry.
I saw James at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
@yareyarejose5080 this copy pasta still going?
@@yareyarejose5080 this supposed to be funny?
@@Inaluogh please clap
I like how Kieran keeps saying he doesn't want to talk about it and wants to stay out of the spotlight, yet he kept talking about it and now has set up a Patreon...
Since he has his channel, he should either make a video or live stream airing all his grievances or sit down with someone like RCA and get everything off his chest and move on, because until he does that in some form, people are going to continously ask him about it
He strikes me as the type of guy to get 1 message on Facebook and be triggered by it. Then saying "I get lots of messages, guys" and lets a few measly comments live rent-free in his head.
😂💯
I remember him saying he hated being forced to appear on camera with Bimmy, as he doesn't like appearing in videos, but all he's done since he left cinemasscre is appear on camera.
Plus, he did have ambitions to be a reviewer himself at one point.
They accuse Keiran of trying to steal rental reviews, when Tony essentially stole rental reviews and rebranded it Hack The Movies lmao
I think Rental Views was a rip off of Hack the Movies, its been going for 8 years.
if you get a spinoff rebranding.. is that stealing? it would need some diagram about who is connected to what still to label what is stealing.
@@lasskinn474 the point is the fact they allegedly accused Keiran of trying to steal Rental Reviews, when Tony was essentially doing the same thing in a longer form is funny to me...and most people didn't know he already had Hack the movies until he showed up on rental reviews talking about hack the movies
TRUE !
@@20david06I think Tony said at some point that it was sort of retooled to be like Rental Reviews? I have no idea if that's accurate though, or to what extent.
James has provided us with some of the most re-watchable content on youtube. He is a legend.
He's saved more lives than the polio vaccine
Not gunna lie , putting full perspective reading that comment is SO true !
mhm yeah
Yeah, I can't hate or criticize the guy... He has given me some of my favorite shows ever! Avgn, board James, monster madness! I still watch them to this day. It's a shame that his current content isn't up to snuff but I get why, you can tell he is burnt out.
@@kcadventures1454everything he makes nowadays should be better or as good as his older stuff. It's so frustrating James doesn't get this
it sucks to quit a job, but it also feels absolutely amazing to leave a shitty job.
19:00 why don't I just become a supermarket manager? Is the kind of question that someone who's never worked a legit job asks. For entry-level you would need an associate's degree in business minimum, or it would take YEARS to be promoted to that level from within. I love that sheltered people think that getting a job that's six figures is as easy as walking in, shaking the managers hand and watching him take the help wanted sign out of the window 😂😂😂
10000% percent
You also have to take the "help wanted" sign off the window as you walk in
@@zachary_attackery like old school cartoons 😂
He really is clueless, besides being rude and disrespectful to people employed in those jobs, as if it's something that is completely beneath him to do to earn a living. He's just an angry, untalented asshole!
@@Vercusgames EXACTLY. If it's a mom and pop operation, every high paying position is going to be given to people who all have the same last name. But the hubris of that fucking caveman to think that he can just walk into some kind of corporate structured supermarket and get hired as the manager, let alone think that he doesn't have to at least go to community college for years to learn how to run one speaks VOLUMES about how much he knows about the real world. He got bitched out by JUSTIN, BIG RYAN AND BIMMY. Imagine how hard all the employees who want the weekends off are going to walk all over him when he tries to make the schedule 😂
Frankie definitely has spent time around english people , hearing an american say slagging him off made my day.
"Slagging" isn't that unusual to hear around here. New England is weird.
Nelson says it on The Simpsons
@archon105
Yeah, iz kina wicked pissah
(Yells portugese into cellphone for 4 minutes)
Bart, you’ve changed. You used to be about the music. I said slag off!!
New England is a lot more English than the rest of USA.
Interesting point in terms of the AVGN movie. Reminds me that a few years ago, a Capcom exec made a point that the Street Fighter movie, for all its criticism, still brings in about $500,000 a year from TV broadcasting rights (this might have even gone up with the rise of streaming and on-demand video).
Since they completely financed the movie, they still get the returns and at that point, it’s just free money.
What about the Assassin’s Fist web series and Legend of Chun-Li.
@@TheVileOneThose bring in about $25.50 a year.
I definitely prefer the days of Cinemassacre when it was just James & Mike, ever since the other dudes started being more active in their content I feel like the authenticity took a huge nose dive and turned into husk of what the channel used to be. People watch the channel for James & Mike, oh and Bootsy too! Miss that guy
I think Bootsy left, cause he had his own band, and he started to focus more on that. Which is understandable.
I could always tell when a boss or whatever was wanting to fire me. In that they'd give me special responsibilities that no one else had to do. Or they'd give me special rules to follow that no one else had to. And I'd not quit but stick around until they manned up and fired me for no reason or invented a reason. Everyone in high school would always say "This is just high school, wait until you get out into the real world." And then the real word is a lot like high school in a way, just with older people.
people get older, they don't grow up
Tbh, this sounds like self perpetual actions. I know they are doing X, therefore I'm going to do Y to confirm it. Y is actually the catalyst to X. In my experiences as a manager through different organizations.
That is why home-school are superior, you learn manners fast if you live under the roof of parents who wish to separate their Kids away from negative influences.
Do not believe the stereotyping, like the South Park episodes.
Statistics show that homeschool Kids are years more developed, social skills can be achieved by parents and the kids networking with the neighborhood, this way parents get to be involved in the friendships. If you remember public school in a honest way, is it really a good place for Kids to be? I was public schooled, it's absolutely pathetic, i always got books, and did my own academics at home, textbooks are bare minimum, it's just skimming over shit.
It gets worse when out of school, I was in the sheet metal union and all the big dogs were stupid and suck ups. If you were their buddy they give you special treatment and if they didn't like anything about a guy they would do anything to get them fired or to quit. Guys try and show up to work and the boss would not pick up the phone calls or tell em where to go. If I had to guess I'd say 60% of those who graduated from schooling cheated and couldn't pass a test to save their lives. The teacher leaves the room for tests and they all worked together to get it done lol.
LMAO GTFO with that backwards anti-public education nonesense. Homeschooled children are PRIVELEDGED children who's parents can afford it. If people werent constantly underfunding and intentionally eroding public education it wouldnt be a thing.@@birdsteak9267
And for those who don't understand basic economics, which clearly is Kieran, they company loses 30% off the top in taxes. And AVGN makes about $400,000 a year from UA-cam, not $60,000 a month. Plus, Kieran seems to think he deserves a cut of other projects he had nothing to do with within the company. He thought he was bigger in the company than he was when he was really one step above an intern.
why should Kieren be paid for legacy videos he had no part of?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's barely worked a real job in his life (he gives that energy) unless it was related to his hobbies and suddenly feels trapped in his position with no upward advancement.
I can’t wait for the Boxmac where Junt talks about how much he loves that his VPN allows him to watch Latvian Netflix and then gives us the promotional code as he creepily smiles into the camera.
I enjoy all things Red Cow and these videos about a UA-cam channel I watched years ago are fascinating as someone who worked in the movie industry to see the similarities and differences in the mediums. Have seen first hand a major studio lock out a director and editor from the cutting room after a disastrous screening, have seen directors screaming at producers, actors hiding from the law, and that drama almost seems tame compared to this 😂
It is not a matter of how much the AVGN company makes. What matters is : how much does an editor cost? (Or producer, showrunner, or whatever)
Having "editor/show-runner of Cinemassacre" should look pretty damn good on a resume. Come up with a base salary demand and put your resume' out there. Shouldn't be too difficult to find another gig.
screenwave was the worst thing to happen to James' channel.
Well first off, this made the first hour of work significantly better. In regards to Caveman, he seems like a well intended idiot, or at worse a lesser of two evils. I wish him the best ...unless it means more drama videos.
Considering he is a caveman who was transported to modern times i would say he came a long way even if he is at the same level of understanding society as my 6 year old niece.
At least he isn't a racist pedophile apologist like Silverman
I’ve always wondered about what happened behind the scenes especially with mike. Honestly when mike “left” and they stopped James and mike Mondays it kinda ended it for me. That was the best segment to me.
Mike Matei was the worst...
Moincraft, free ipad?
I think once a bunch of this weird past stuff about Mike came out, I think James made the tough but correct call to kinda “keep him at arms length.”
I’m sure they’re still friends and all, but just to avoid the “drama by association,” it’s probably why you don’t really see James and Mike appear in videos together anymore.
@@jaythomas468 No way that James would have the balls to keep Mike "at arms length". As everyone knows, Mike is way too important to what made AVGN successful in the first place. James doesn't play the games, doesn't come up with most of the jokes etc etc. If anything, it was probably just Mike who got bored and wanted to spend more time elsewhere.
I miss bootsie. Thats when the cracks began to become noticable
The Japanese method of "soft firing" or shaming problematic workers by not giving them any work projects is addressed in the show "Silicon Valley" in a great way. They just get put on the roof of the building, as if they were grounded by the company.
The first 10 seconds of this video. I thought gandalf was knocking on Bilbo's door. Again, sorry.
Hahahahaha
Nice copy and paste…
"Who and WHY???"
Who: redcow arcade, your go-to podcast for everything awesome
Why: because you literally went on a livestream and threw a bitch fit about Bimmy, Kieran.
It's funny that they apparently accused Kieran of wanting d to steal Rental Reviews when it was so obvious that Tony the Hack wanted the format and tried running that show and eventually stole it for his channel but sans James which was the main reason I watched it and suffered through some episodes.
Still hate that episode where Tony kept forcing himself into the video to complain about them not praising his awful home movie
It’s so funny to watch him try to do RLM style commentary. it comes off as disingenuous and try hard.
Hack the Movies is honestly better than Rental Reviews ever was. Tony is probably the best, and most funny out of any of them including James.
@donatellod.dabbins3609 not even close. Tony is awful and tries way too hard but not where it matters like when he tried doing a podcast or something covering the godzilla movies but got such basic things about the movies wrong. Almost like he hadn't even watched the movies in years or did any research.
One of my biggest issues with Rental Reviews was how obvious it was that Tony and others were trying to make it so much about them and leech off of James. It always made it so annoying to watch with how much he tried to override the conversation and cut off others.
The only benefit of its current iteration is that he doesn't feel the need to compete nor does he really do them with alot of people like on rental reviews. Dude is just beyond obnoxious and like a typical hack speaks with an air of authority yet when you see what content he's actually made its laughable at its "quality" speaks for itself
@@donatellod.dabbins3609 nah...he's as worse as Ryan is about chasing the algorithm and talking about whatever is trending instead of doing things he actually wants to talk about
If I'm in Japan and they stop giving me work, then I do like George Castanza and start sleeping under my desk, building fortes in the stock room, and designating my own private bathroom by painting the door the same color as the walls next to it and putting my own padlock on it. They have never experienced the true depths of creativity to avoid work that a lazy American man can dig. 😄
Fr. As long as I'm still getting paid I'm good to go 😂
I'd get there earlier and leave later too because I know that would annoy then
@@reinforcedpenisstemhell yea. They show up and you're there smiling 😂
I had the exact same idea.
It honestly sounds like my ideal dream job. Get paid to sit around and watch youtube all day. I do that now and get paid exactly zero dollars so ANY amount of money on top of that would just be an added bonus lol.
I'm genuinely surprised that screenwave didn't lock Kieran into a NDA
I'm not seeing how incompetent they all are
oh boy, here we go
Justin became "art director" at one point which is incredibly comical.
Isn't he a tr00nie now?
Fart Director
The “give you no work in Japan” thing is being misread. It’s more effort to fire someone, pay unemployment etc so they do give less work but basically the company cuts your hours down so that you can’t possibly survive financially and quit so you can find another job and get your pay back up. I had one case where I worked long time ago and somehow the guy in question, who was a very disagreeable person, sent an email to everyone, not just the boss asking why he got his hours cut in half out of the blue when no one else did. He just left a few weeks later. Also it’s done after age 60 regardless of performance to encourage retirement. So it’s not really like you keep collecting full time pay at a desk and just sit there all day.
I knew this too when I made my comment about it, but it was too funny not to make a Seinfeld joke. lol. Great work on the history of Wario Retrospective a while back, btw - I have such fondness and nostalgia for that time period and those original games. 👍
@@mr.selfimprovement3241 hey no problem I’m sure you did but maybe others would be left wondered. Cheers and have a good day!
This isn't just a Japanese thing. I worked at a Jimmy Johns where they did this to me back in 2009.
They do this here too (and have been doing it my whole life). That's not specifically a Japanese thing. Now I'm more confused why people think it's unique to Japan. Either you're making a mistake and Japan does have a unique way of encouraging people to quit or you're right and there's some other reason people think this is unique. There must be a detail missing here.
Starting a patreon and making a video asking for money before you've like... Made content or decided on what the content is, sure is something.
I miss James and Mike Mondays. Mike is chill
SAME!
I'm not sure why but I kinda assumed the gross income for cinemassacre was more like 5-6M per year, based on all the different angles of income. $41k does sound low though for the editor but at the same time you can't really base that amount on the total revenue stream, as he is being paid to do a job, not a share holder. If every company based their employees "wages" on total gross income every company would be out of business
If you don’t like the pay leave. I don’t get all this drama.
@@TheVileOne Commies. Thats how they think.
That Ryan voice was spot on, same when kieren and James
Youre pretty good at picking up and mimicking inflections
Big Ryan fan btw
Your channel brings so many relatable experiences. I was working a delivery job and was being paid $12.50 an hour and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. So, after that I quit. Your videos make me feel better about all the horrible experience and I am so thankful that I am my own boss.
I’ve heard stories of amazon doing that.
Lawyer up....my company was not letting us take lunches...one class action lawsuit later and we all got two thousand dollars
@@djjukeboxhero6491 I had a former boss that said I was their best employee give me $5,000 to start my own business. So. 5 years ago. I started my business from the ground up. I'm proud of myself and have come along way.
I now treat my employees better than those who treated me unfairly.
@@djjukeboxhero6491cant that be an issue? Cant a company just prolong the case?
IMO the obsession with the Truth sub has been their biggest misstep from a PR perspective. Before that behind the scenes video, sure the quality had declined, but outside of a particular bubble few people noticed, James had a great reputation, and even nasty drama sites held James up as "how it should be done". The BTS video and things like all the shirt jokes in the Rocketeer video had a real Streisand effect. Then other factors like the plagiarism controversy and the weak 200th episode started to make it all look pretty slapdash.
Agreed. I’ve been watching the channel since the beginning and I wasn’t aware of shit. Then that BTS video came out and I was like “wait, what? And Mike’s leaving? Why would he do that? And who is Screenwave?”
It sent me far, far down the rabbit hole.
This is something that isnt addressed enough imo. KF and a certain Mongolian basket weaving forum regularly held James up as a standard for staying true to your content years after the fact. The worst they got was talking about Mike "the Italian stallion" Matie's massive dinger and teasing james for how bad the movie was.
Now ive never been to philadelphia, or met too many people from the city of brotherly love, but from what ive seen on shows and read about, kieran appears to have a very strong philly accent, especially with his vowels "i like this mewvie, guys"
Reminds me of how in the Nick Kroll Pawn-sylvania sketch they say "wooder ice"
@@bobboboogaloo after watching some of pawn-sylvania, I feel validated in my assertion
Kieran is from Bay Shore which is a town in Long Island state of New York. It is a Long Island accent & some are real disgusting like you wanna *** your brains out. LMFAO.
That upward inflection thing Keiran does is one of our many millennial failings. It comes off as insecure, unsure, passive-aggressive and condescending. Pretty much nothing good comes from speaking that way.
Yeah that tone sets him up for failure immediately. There are times he seems chill but when I definitely get that vibe when he starts speaking that way, like he wants to be taken seriously but also doesn't seem confident enough to voice it. I really can't say I have an opinion on this whole thing one way or the other as we only got one side of it and he never particularly came off as someone I expect to cut through the bullshit.
What about side talking? Talking from the side of your mouth.
@@toddjenkins2561 Only works if you're a gangster from the 1920's.
"one of our many millennial failings."
You can chalk it right up there with blogging and posting videos of yourself playing acoustic guitar. Oops I meant "oneself".
Imagine thinking that an intonation could be attributed to an entire generation. Fuck; I hate people who have half a brain and use it to spread nonsense. I'm sorry but you're not right here. But you are condescending, lol.
@Top10WizardReviews he's electric guitar phrasing is better than most and his vibrato is decent. Give the man some credit for trying and putting himself out there and not being awful
At least he has to put work in rather than copy and pasting stuff to make hack top 10 compilations
Tony, was THE MOST INSUFFERABLE THING to EVER happen to Cinemassacre. And I thought Mike was bad before Tony showed up
No, Keiran was by far.
Nah Justin was. IMO Justin had HORRIBLE takes on Rental Reviews, and it felt like most episodes he tried to make it all about himself.
I've listened to several Hack the Movies podcasts and Tony's nitpicking is so dumb, it's as though he doesn't understand how basic plot and writing work so he complains about very basic thing while the young girls he hires to argue with him just insult him constantly.
I freaking hate shorts videos on UA-cam and usually avoid them like the plague. And if I wanted to watch those I'd go on crappy Tik Tok. Which I can't stand that social media site either.
This whole situation is not the same but reminds me of how Mike Michaud owns the nostalgia critic character legally
Kieran strikes me as someone who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. I would question a lot of his account of things.
Everything this company does is quite the dumpster fire. Two weeks ago I attended my local drive-in to see a screening of the 93 Mario film in an event hosted by Retroware/Justin, after the film was a series of tournaments including a Mario 1 speedrunning tournament which I entered. I practiced all week for it on real hardware for it to be held on Switch Online with a controller that didn't work, nobody who entered the tournament actually completed the game and I went first so I really got screwed over. After that was a Mario Kart 64 tournament - also on N64 online and they spent like 40 mins trying to sync joycons until eventually just making them use GameCube controllers, also seemed largely unplayable just from watching.
Wow... I'm not a speedrunner and even I know about the importance of latency, lagging, hardware, TV... in the speedrun community this lack of knowledge in a big event would be considered a disrespect.
James is lucky that he has an army of brainless fans to defend him because this lack of professionalism doesn’t cut it anymore like it did in 2008, 2009...
I bet Justin underestimates the speedrun community like he underestimates a lot of things and just organized this because it's trendy, with zero respect. And if there's one community that values respect, it's the speedrun community. Again, James is lucky.
@@redacted2275 agreed, this was an event planned months prior, this man who milks retro gaming communities for money could've easily secured an NES or at least a retro avs. Don't even get me started on the downfall that is TooManyGames thanks to them lol
lol
lmao@@redacted2275
WTF does james have to do with a screenwave competition? Yall are weird AF and have such a warped sense of expectations. GTFO of here.@@redacted2275
I have never been interested in watching the AVGN movie due to the poor reviews but I think I would give the Frankie cut a go! 👍🏻
Does Kieran explain why Ryan is morphing into Tony Soprano's sister?
"If they want you to quit they just stop giving you work."
"WE "FIXED" THE "GLITCH"
As long as they're still paying I can do a whole lot of nothing for a very very long time.
I love your guys coverage on this non-stop cinemassacre drama
Tea has been significantly spilled. Keep up the good work.
5:33 LuL, yes I've worked for Japanese companies for almost 20 years now. It's called a window job and it's purpose is to shame you into quitting by giving you meaningless work. Pretty much exactly what EJ is saying here.
Can you just ride the meaningless low effort work for as long as you want though if you don't mind the shame? Or will they eventually just fire you?
@@jimtroeltsch5998 I think the more accurate answer is, it depends... It always does right? I've never personally seen someone with a window job, but my foreign coworkers confirmed they know exactly what a "window job" is and why you wouldn't want it. A window job may be something like, highlight every "the" in this stack of papers and do that all day everyday... You could do that sure, but how many 10 hour days of highlighting meaningless words on paper could you go before you walk out?
@@zachrywdgive me some headphones and I can easily do that for hours
Yeah right dude. If the choice is between doing something that tedious every day and getting another job, youll quit sooner than later.@@dannysummers4591
Yeah but that's not specifically Japanese. They do that here too. Why do people think this is a Japanese thing? I don't get it. Maybe there's a detail you're missing because I've seen that happen to people all the time in the US for decades.
I actually enjoyed Kieran and Tony back on Rental Reviews. Not sure why they get so much hate from this group.
Because they are a group of liars, frauds and useless fat f***s that failed their way up. I had to stop watching AVGN videos because when it comes to them creating and writing the reviews they just lie. Example: Resident Evil Survivor.... not the best game in the world thats fair, but they emulated it, and lied about that emulation and when people called them out on it, they deleted posts ((there are several bugs like music not playing right that ONLY pop up through emulation -_-)), they also decided they wern't going to tell anyone the reason the controls feel weird on a pad, is because its a light gun game and supposed to be played with one. This is also when i learnt james doesn't and tbh NEVER really played or made the videos for the games he made, it was mostly all mike with james coming up with the script. Now he's gone no research is being done, its all surface level and lie to make more bugs to keep yourselves relevent. THIS is why people don't like them, they are just liars.
Because people are mad AVGN is still going, so they'll reach as far as they can for anything negative they can say about him.
If what Red Cow says about James is true, then fuck Cinemassacre.
@@sporemaster97 More like they had a problem with the unfunny fatties who totally lacked anything close to resembling an interesting personality. People watch James for James.
Ya its jealousy?
Mike also recently rattled off the reasons he left on a random Twitch stream. They were so boring and manbaby mundane. They're like "I had to drive a while to James' house" and "I had to get up early." They sound like a kid who has to get up for the SAT's.
This boils down to James being a huge talent and generatin a ton of money, and due to his kindness, he let his talentless friends feel entitled to an equal cut of that money. Absolutely wild. Never hire your friends.
@@Sinekyre14 Nah, Mike was the REAL video game nerd. James is just playing a character, he was always more interested in making horror movies than video games. In terms of ideas Mike was essential to it all.
I'd really love to see Rental Reviews make a comeback! Tony's Hack The Movies is great but it isn't quite the same as Rental Reviews.
James often admitted he had minimum recollection of the movies they would talk about and Justin was just a contrarian, he looked like the stereotype of an "edgeIord" on that show. Kieran was constantly intimidated and Tony has the most obnoxiously intrusive laugh ever... but ironically, the only decent speaker sometimes.
They were constantly interrupting each other and most of the time no one would listen what anyone was talking about, they just kept waiting for their turn to talk. I really have no idea what can you miss about that mess...
If they did, keep Justin out; or have him in the background, like how they do with James' "band".
Woahh, sick Grapes of Wrath ref
Hahahaha
I think it's time we all acknowledged that Cinemassacre is now a zombie YT channel, and it is purely a money making operation for the Rolfe family. James must be raking in almost seven figures per annum, and his aloof attitude towards the fanbase should no longer be ignored. Unfortunately, the majority of the fanbase is either ignorant or in denial about what is going on. I applaud Red Cow for highlighting the glaring issues that are apparent with a brand that we all hold dear to our hearts.
Cinemassacre has been in Zombie mode since 2014 tbh
After the movie was released you can see something was off, ocasionally a good episode comes out like Earthbound but for the most part AVGN has lost the magic touch
Why care about James' attitude. Watch the videos if you enjoy them? You dont need behind the scenes info
@@happytrails151 because his attitude is reflected in the content, and the effort and quality in that content has been on the decline for several years.
@@Syfcobra8549 True, even though AVGN remained somewhat good after the movie came out, James acting changed completely. Actually even before the movie premiered the way James acted changed. I'm not sure if somebody at Hollywood told him he should do it differently but his acting became WAY exagerated to the point where he looks like a proto-Wojak.
It's clear that James intention was for that movie to open doors for him and basically dropping the character altogether in favor of director gigs that never happened.
@@spike1670 there's glimmers of passion in some of the AVGN episodes, such as the Contra As I Remembered It video, and the passion is always there when he does videos about various movies. I just find it hard that at 43 years old, and having made all his money the last 16 years exclusively off of UA-cam, that he's now going to just go off and jump back into the workforce like us regular folk lol...if he was still in his 20's or 30's, I could see that, unless he has some connections where he could easily get some editing job or something, but a boss on an interview would and should have questions as to why one of the biggest UA-camrs of all time is all of a sudden looking for a 9 to 5
James made a video where he literally said that Mike was leaving the channel. Since then, he hasn’t even been on to discuss new movies. Cinemassacre didn’t talk about Mario, Renfield, or TMNT which are all movies J&M would have reviewed a few years ago. Also, Mike isn’t credited on any of the new content so, of course, fans think he’s gone.
Mike does his own streaming now and occasionally joining Erin
Mike actually has been credited on some content lately, his gameplay has at least.
@@mayb7569Is it?? “Unfortunately, James and Mike Mondays will not be returning. Mike and I talked about it and he’ll be leaving the channel to focus full time on his streaming, which is his own independent thing separate from Cinemassacre. Wish him the best of luck on that. Tony, Kieran, Justin, and everybody at screenwave will still be helping me with Nerd episodes and reviews next year. I want to make it clear- without their help, I wouldn’t have time to do any of this anymore. Give them a big ‘Thanks’ for me.”
@@RxYouth watching his streams the last year usually gives you some hint sometimes as to what game James is going to do for AVGN
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu oh most definitely
Cinemasscre has gone down the toilet over the last decade compared to what it used to be.
I'm not sure it can ever be restored to what it was back in the day.
I literally remember finding AVGN when he only had like 3 episodes, I was a big NES music dude and would always search NES stuff and I though it was great. He peaked right before that movie crap he did. Once Bootsy left I could definitely see the change in quality. Then the slobs showed up and it was all over for me, check please!
There could have been a year or two of continued top quality episodes if not for the movie, I'm pretty sure. There were some episodes around the time of the movie and even afterwards that were decent or even good, but they didn't compare to what came before. It's a shame, really.
1.2 million annual from the channel sounds like A LOT, even for a small staff, but you gotta remember that is after tax income of 760,000 for James and Mike. When they were plagiarizing content, we found out they farm out writing, so lets say there's, James, Mike, Justin Tony and Kieran and an editor and 4 writers they farmed out.
IF they split it 10 ways evenly, 760,000/10 is $76,000 for each person. (Which is not including overhead for videos and any webhosting for Cinemassacre.)
So, an editor making $40k when he doesn't own a stake in legacy content or merchandizing... feels about right. James and Mike might be grossing $200k, before taxes and it might seem unfair but I think they're making less than it seems.
Once you have employees and taxes, a million dollars split 10 ways is aggressively middle-class or lower middle-class in today's economy.
I think this is a pretty fair assessment. Also consider that the figure probably doesn’t include operating costs etc, just ad sense revenue
There's no way they make that much and Kieran is just disgruntled about his pay and exaggerating. James Rolfe has a net worth of about $200,000 and he had to get a charity discount to pay for his daughter's surgery when she was born. The AVGN movie did a gofundme and they only collected about $200,000 to create the film's budget. If the channel were making half a million a year Rolfe would be a multimillionaire and that's not even on the table. What a lot of people don't realize is that YT monetization is based largely around the actual content you create. If you have a bunch of 10-15 year olds clicking on your video you aren't going to make that much.
I mean really, do you think if James was a multimillionaire he would still live in that crappy middle class house? The whole idea of "youtube celebrity" is grossly misrepresented, most people who make a lot of money on UA-cam do it through things not even related to UA-cam. The RedLetterMedia channel has fewer subscribers but makes way more than Cinemassacre because they have a Patreon that a bunch of bored middle aged men are willing to donate to.
Kieran should join Red Cow and the three of you make a new show where you just roast clips from that channel.
They just need 1 interview thats it. Red Cow cant downgrade with those people 😂
@@StraightWhiteMaleNews Kieran’s cool. He just needs the right team.
I had followed Kieran for a long time and he was always a really cool dude. Used to stream to like 11 people live. Bowl Call and Save Tilly!
My face hurts from smiling right now. 😃
Mike and James Mondays was a huge draw.
I can't imagine being so concerned with other peoples drama, that I got excited about making a video about it.
Chase the algorithm sounds like the best band name or most soulless job ever.
The biggest question is why is Disney's Aladdin on a Mortal Kombat II casing.
Remember when it was Angry Nintendo Nerd and Motherfucker Mike?
Was Mike really a presence on screen (apart from anonymous parts as characters in costume) or even known by the audience as Mike at the time AVGN went under Angry Nintendo Nerd. I thought the name change came fairly early.
OH HELL YEAH - see ya, lunch break 👏
This was great thanks guys
The AVGN Movie was steaming in Ireland on Prime Video for a while, but it’s not there anymore
34:55 pretty sure UA-cam were flirting with a policy or perhaps even implemented one where if you want your channel to be promoted more you kind of have to put out shorts.
I love Red Cow Arcade. You guys rock
Absolutely no one cares to see anyone but James on Cinemassacre
Before I saw any of your videos about Kieran I actually had no idea that he left Cinemassacre or Screenwave. I get that they have the right to do this but I guess to point out how they love money there, typically when I upload a reaction video to a new AVGN episode, I get a copyright infringement claim by screenwave media. Although surprisingly that hasn't happened lately.
21:04 - Well that's interesting because sound and color correction are 2 of the biggest complaints about Kierans editing. So it wasn't even his editing. Huh ...
1.2 million a year is not a lot of money when you think about all the hands that want a piece of that pie .
I'm glad you guys are talking about these nerds. Interesting stuff.
Here fuckin here!
For me the grey area is that there were A LOT of solidly edited episodes back before “the editing crew” were hired on. Did they make a lot of episodes better, yeah sure, but James was doing just fine.
Also “Castle my asshole” is my new favorite go to quote in any situation.
hey. Tony's set used to be straight across from the Cinemassacre Podcast table. i know because Lloyd Kaufman (i think) told James in their interview "I love your Nukie poster" and Tony had that on his set. And Hackthemovies did an interview with Lloyd at the same time.
weird thing though, i seen on facebook that someone wanted to still see Kieren review Spiderman movies with HtM and Tony said Kieren was welcome to HtM anytime he would like.
and i always thought Big Ryan owned Screenwave. thats what he was always saying on his and Mikes "Talk About Games" show. (i MISS that one)
Mike would rather stream with almost no effort than have to put together an hour long "show" every week. i guess he makes a lot more money that way, and it's easier for him
it may have been Mac and Me
hell yeah. Bring on the AVGN speak!!! ❤
Its funny how they say keiran is trying to steal rental reviews but tonys hack the movies is just rental reviews without james.
If he’s an editor, he wouldn’t have access to the financials of the company. It’s all conjecture, he’s speculating on how much he thinks they’re making in relation to what they’re paying him. ALL disgruntled employees think this way.
the AVGN movie is on YT for free, I fall asleep to it often
I downloaded it once and it was a little tough to muddle through.
avgn movie was on prime 3 years ago but its off now
Due to audience demands to take it down
He's full of shit about the movie revenue or James is lying to them to make himself feel better about the crappy movie. I feel like these jokers may not have access to all the financials.
@@MrArgus11111 No way AVGN movie makes any decent money from streaming. Streaming pays shit, everyone knows that. Thats one of the things the actors and writers are striking over and they want more residuals from streaming because its so pitifully low.
Does anyone know which AVGN episode had the clip of Justin on a amusement ride where he was falling off?
This is really right up there with all of the ChannelAwesome drama. Man, everyone running all of these things are perhaps some of the people no normal person would want to work around or be around in everyday society. If they are, then they're best off not really knowing a thing about them to begin with.
There are seriously bigger things out there to get invested in than whining about being involved with a personality/channel that has raunchy behavior towards retro games. It's like being a professional sports player but you're attending a junior league game, griping about everything going around. Like, don't you have bigger things to do?
These guys have an unhealthy obsession with AVGN lmao
Maybe, but then no one else is really talking about the inner workings or behind the scenes story about AVGN and of course people want to hear that, because you're probably not gonna hear it from anyone else. AVGN has somewhat of a squeeky clean image to the general public but that simply isn't the case, and it's curious enough.
You ever think that maybe its none of your fuckin business what goes on behind the scenes? What gives you the right to know? Nothing does. Yall just want gossip and drama and personal info to pour over. Its fuckin gross. So far it sounds like nothing that happened to keiran warranted "exposing" the channel and they were dumb to have not fired him a long time ago.@@commandervile394
Kieran looks like a dude who farted in the elevator, got found out and refuses to admit that he did it.
Since the whole avgn movie is free as the first result on google can we have the Frankie cut?
Kieran is aware of Red Cow, so is Mike, but is Sly aware?
😂 "Maybe he lies!" -Sly
i get the sense everyone on Cinemassicar knows about them except James because James doesn't strike me as the person who knows anything about internet culture or whats going on in it. back in the early days of youtube one of the top dogs of youtube back then WhatTheBuck!? held a Mr. UA-cam contest and James made it into like the top 50 without ever acknowledging the contests and Buck was like "AND number 48!! JamesNintendoNerd!! who probably didn't even know there was a contest going on"
What do you guys think of that new video james posted with his old neighbor. The guy he borrowed games from 30 years ago, and now hes doing a false variation of james n mike mondays with him, n calling it neighbor nerds?
He's actually 2 years younger than James so they werent in the same classes together at school and whatnot. James never made that clear of course and it made it seem like they were the same age. James has mentioned John had another brother he and they hung out with but I dont know if he was older or younger.
John is the mirror opposite of Mike. John is chill, has a soothing voice, is humble about sucking at games, and doesn't seem to care about anything aside from playing the game and having a good time.
@@gabedom_ yeah John is cool and his laugh is contagious
These impressions are spot on. Seriously. Dude has a gift.
Well they are obsessed with them!
If it’s true, I’m amazed Mike owns half of the company. Like, did they draw up the paperwork? How do that go down? God there’s so much I want to know…
Mike provided all the tech infrastructure to host the website way back in the day. My guess is that this 50:50 thing went down from the beginning
@@Shoreux Yeah… that would make sense. If Mike kinda did all the “backend” stuff, that I could see resulting in him owning half. Plus, as we know, he was very involved in the production, gameplay, and scripts. Even so, I’m surprised it would be half, you know? I find it hard to believe that what Mike provided amounted to “half”. But what the hell do I know. Maybe James got a lot more assistance than I thought. But with those early episodes, they really did feel like it was just James, a camera, and some video games.
The thing I really want to know, i guess, is if they have a formal agreement. Guess other people could care less but that really intrigues me. Just because the whole AVGN thing was such a whim kind of thing. I just can’t imagine the conversation taking place where Mike’s like “So for my part, I’d like half of all profits”. lol.
@@leeartlee915The channel wouldn’t exist if not for Mike. James made the first few videos initially, but mike is the one who shared them online and did most of the work to get avgn where it is today. James may be steering the boat, but mike built the boat. Even his style of humor is like avgn in real life.
@@rustyshackleford6633AVGN the character is basically Mike in many ways. Mikes influence shows in a lot of the early content / pre screen wave / pre Mike’s exit. You can see the similarities in Mikes streams of bad games.
More people will watch you guys talking about Kieran than watch Kieran talking about himself.
I DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE...
But anyway, like I was saying, man... It's like, bullshit, and uh... *BARRRRRRPPP!!!*
@26:29 Why? WHY? Why are people this paranoid. WHO has admitted that all the extreme precautions that were taken weren't necessary or effective. Let it go already.
ah slob news, my favourite kind of news coverage. keep it up boys
time codes please, there are too many topics here
I really enjoyed Rental Reviews and Mike & James Mondays.
I agree they was fun watching
You guys did a really got job with this episode. Very well done. Loved it!
I think he got $41k a year because he accepted it. I think he assumed folks would give him pay raises and etc... but why pay him more when he's already doing the work for less. Less of a soft firing and more of taking advantage of the only guy who gave a shit.
Gotta say it, that is one fine beard sir!
something isn't tying together. Kieran said Mike was down for James + Mike Mondays?
I thought in the last video where Mike commented, he was done with youtube and done with James and mike, due to the long drive he had to make each time to James just to play for an hour. How could he also be down for james and mike if he was done with it?
I’ve been wondering the same.
I remember him saying there wasn't a single cause, and the commute was one of many things. That still doesn't quite square with Kieran's account, though.
Mike was probably down with it as long as certain conditions were met, like doing it remotely or something.
that just speculation. it's possible Kieran just got info wrong since Mike explained he didn't like doing it at all and wasn't worth it.@@awesomeatronik