I wish you would have talked more about your personal experiences with playing a druid and not just gone down the checklist of druid guide to raiding. As soon as you said you had not raided as a druid I instantly took everything you said about druid raiding with a gargantuan grain of salt, because you have no experience and are just reading off what you have heard druids in raid are like. The only thing in this video I completely agreed with you on is the lack of feeling of power as you progressed, because it is less dramatic than other classes.
@@WillEmmo Don't want to be rude but at that point just delete this video, it makes you look like a clown, and you are just straight pissing on Druids by saying only healing spec is viable
@kb4life100 you're uninformed, and condescending without justification, which just makes you look stupid. Bear tanks are fully viable now (only some encounters are slightly harder, but nothing serious), it just takes a bit more time to get your gear. Big deal. Oh, and once AQ really hits, expect druid tanks to be better and more survivable than equivalent warrior tanks, as our gearing suddenly improves a lot more than warrior gear. When Naxx hits, I expect druid tanks to be the prime tanking choice for numerous encounters.
Will E, I feel that you're a lot down on bear tanks compared to reality. It's true that they can do well with hitpoints and armour... but also true that they can beat out the vast majority of warriors for aggro when geared properly. Thunderfury fury prots are the only ones you can't beat and even then, I've beaten a few of them in aggro competitions. MCP is just insane for bear tanks as you don't get rage limited when Broodlord is whaling on you. I feel like the biggest issue for bear tanks is that the itemisation is weird and people don't always prioritise them properly so it can be hard to get well geared, and there are a couple of mechanics which just really punish Druids specifically for no reason like the Nefarian class call.
Can totally agree and confirm, played both cat and bear. Easily outagrro any warrior w/o TF and can be on the same lvl as a warrior with TF if MCP is used. Also you can spend much less money on consumables every raid and feeling ok
Can confirm that I outaggro all warriors who don't have thunderfury without even using MCP. I can very much complete with thunderfury tanks while using a manual crowd pummeler, and I feel like people knock really hard on what the haste does. Attack power increases your raw damage based on your base attack speed so haste is pretty insane all things considered, same with crit chance. An ungeared bear tank can still be very strong so they will be useful in AQ as well. Being able to be crit is a downside but most warriors don't stack all that defense so bear tanks with greater hp pools are much less likely to die to major crit or spell damage as long as your healers have mana. It's pretty much free real estate if you aren't using a bear tank since their loot is going to be hyper specific from now on, their only real downsides are some consumes are more annoying to use since if you use them you lose all your rage, etc. They also lack an easy way to get consistent threat generation off the bat, warriors just have much more, not to say warriors can't have trouble with resists but it's much more common for a feral to be parried twice and be screwed, and there's no easy indicator like two sunders.
yea don't think really understands druid tank its a really solid endgame raider. -They can out threat fury warriors while using a MCP without dropping armor and health. in "equal mitigation" even without MCP they beat warriors on threat, as warriors need dps gear to match. then the other bonus's; -not rage starved offtanking, -3% crit, -Farie Fire debuff is a big deal about 10% raid dps, -a ranged pull, -a mobility tool with bear charge, warriors dump rage to use intercept, -better access to resist gear without gimping stats, -other utility like combat rez, innervate, they can jump out and heal, or heal/dispel certain fights with 20% bonus int. The main weakness is they don't have shield wall and last stand. so they will struggle on a few fights in naxx where healing is stopped. play a druid at "endgame" before making a video about them!
Fuck Yes. Classic and Wrath were the best times in wow for me. I'd give anything to have to same feeling of danger and excitement that I would feel playing through Vanilla.
@@kwitchercryn1775 you kno you can jus play classic again right? I’m playing a warrior which I’ve never played before and almost lvl 40, can’t wait for that whirlwind ability. Servers are packed right now and I even had to wait in que before I logged on the other day
@@snyper105 yeah bro, I'm playing classic and I love it. Having said that, it will never be the same as the first time around. Exploring the unknown. That's what I meant.
I'm pretty sure Druid Tanks have the best Threat Per Second if they also use MCP (and possibly powershifting? Don't recall) and can main tank a lot more fights than you think, with only magic damage and sometimes general mitigation (the latter less often due to their sheer HP) as their weaknesses.
@@colinhobbs7265 I'm the highest dps feral on my server, it's not really that hard.. You just spam shared into ferocious bites and make sure you have mana pots.
Yup feral dps is one of the top 3 dps classes in classic when everyone plays at a good level, above all casters and hunters. Come aq, we may fall behind fire mages but at least we finally have some good gear to look forward to
I main tank for my guild. (Including Nef) I like druid because I can heal, resurrect, innervate, go invisible, tank all content in the game with our fury dps parsing 99 and easily holding aggro, I get an instant cast medium range pull (better than warrior's bows by a LOT), I can turn into a seal, or a cheetah, or pop a rogue sprint depending on what I'm doing. I can do massive AoE damage to huge groups of weak mobs. What makes druid great isn't self handi-capping myself lol, I can do everything. I'm a rogue, warrior, priest, and mage all at the same time. Sure I may not have every tool the pure classes has to offer at what they do, but I'm all of them. And, I have 10k hp and 10k armor while still out-threating a thunderfury fury prot warrior with no shield. Would never consider maining anything else.
Quick issue, the "Insane 1200 mana" for GOTW is a blessing. We can almost buff an entire raid on our own without drinking. Priests have 2 buffs to provide that cost half the mana bar lol. Save the pity for them ;)
As a Boomkin it is exactly what I expected. I have killed every raid boss many many times. And am very excited to go clear both AQ’s . I have never played feral or resto and don’t plan on it. I just recently went into an MC pug just for poops and giggles and I was the 3rd - 4th top DPS in there lol
As being a Druid main and main tank for my guild, I can say that I’m in love with the class and after BWL feel more confident taking on large challenges. I can and do MT every boss with exception of Nef due to Druid call, and I got pummeler farming down to less that 5 minutes back and forth. I also out-threat any warrior tank (prot/fury prot included).
I think you should try tanking Nef too, as long as healers are ready for it when it happens and mages are ready to be the new decursers it's really not that much of an issue when the druid call comes. I've maintanked Nef plenty of times as a druid and I think we've had the druid call 3 or for 4 times during that but I have never died from it. The only time that I've died on Nef is when a priest went full retard during priest call and game me a huge stack of debuffs.
Wiskerftw right on man. Yeah I usually dps and if the warrior dies I’ll take over, but that rarely happens. I’ll talk to them about it and see if I can do it and record.
Let me ask you man is it worth the ride to 60 are druids fun at 60 in pvp....I’m asking cause I like Druid flavor more than my shaman but everyone speaks so badly of them
I didn't think I'd main a Druid, I didn't think I'd go Boomkin, I definitely didn't think I'd be a raiding BiS Boomkin. But I was wrong, and I bloody love it.
@Blue .Barrymore As in, I'm very close to having the Best in Slot items for every bit of gear available to my character, such as Nelfarions Tear and Mish'undare helm. Mages hate me.
Oh boy. I still remember the aquatic form questline. It was such a humongous pain in the ass. I lost count on how many times I died. But when I finally got it, even if it wasn't that useful on land, the completion of it felt great. This is what retail is missing imo. A sense of completion and the sense of accomplishment. P.S. :Do either Shammy or Pally. Also say "Windfury weapon proc lol"
I did the aquatic quest as soon as I got it and man I can't tell you how many times that thing saved my bacon, especially while in stranglethorn vale getting ganked by 2 or 3 people.
I loved my Druid. It has everything you need to do anything you want to. I eventually got bored though. Druid shines when you’re constantly adapting to a situation. However, those situations lessen as you hit the 60 mark and get into solid groups and raids. Then you fill one role, and a Druid performing one role gets dull quick. Each role a Druid fills isn’t terribly deep or hard, so when stuck on a singular focus the fun quickly diminishes. They remain amazingly fun in PVP though.
I think you covered some good points, just wish you’d have pointed out more how cat dps far exceeded most people’s expectations as it’s been holding the #3 dps spot up until AQ.
Murphy classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1002/#region=2&aggregate=amount&dataset=90 last two weeks, 90th percentile onwards (to give a more accurate representation of players who are at least trying) Please research next time and don’t embarrass yourself
Murphy I mean I’m not even saying third is that important, because feral at #3 in terms of DPS is the same distance from balance which is absolutely at the bottom as they are to warriors at #1. Warriors and rogues are in a league of their own for the entire game. Feral is the top of the rest of the plebs though, for now
I watched ur awesome videos and started my classic wow journey as a druid, intended to be a solo casual player, not join in any guild. The leveling and early max lv dungeon experience was amazing, it's so easy to find a group since u can fulfill any role. it's also kind of painful since u need to compete against everyone else for all kinds of gear. Then i met this only Chinese guild on my server, as a Chinese playing on a NA server, that means something. i joined them and became the first lv60 druid in the guild. everyone was so happy that they finally got a druid. As the guild grows, we started our own MC raid. I did some MC pugs as a healer, but having only 2 warriors, my guild needs me to become a tank. Although i've been playing wow for 10 years, i never raided as a tank. It was really fun. Since druid tanks are easy to gear up, i performed really well, even better than the 2 warrior tanks. And it's easy for a bear to hit FR cap, so i solo tanked Rag easily with 315 FR and a huge health pull while the warrior tanks kept getting oneshot. the whole guild cheered me when we kill Rag the first time, it felt so good. And after our guild's first ony kill, the GM decided to give the first head to me as a thank for the Rag tanking, plus i'm a LW so i can make ony cloak after i get the head, and everyone agreed. Then it came the finical problem, i don't really like any of the druid gold making methods. so when dire maul released, i played a warlock to do dme solo jump runs. After farming MC for ages, raiding as a druid became more and more boring for me. because bear tanks don't have much gear to chase in MC, so u don't improve much compared with the warrior tanks, and u lose the motivation to do raid real fast cause u don't have anything to chase for. So when i gradually becoming the core member of the guild, i switched my main to a warrior, who has loads of items to chase for and scales way better. Nowadays, my druid still maintains the tank-healer hybrid spec, i rarely play her, mainly using her to fulfill the missing roles in the alt raids. it's still fun, but the logs are so bad since my gear is still at MC stage and my spec is hybrid. Overall, i love my druid, the gaming experience she brought to me is amazing. Thank u for the awesome guides, they helped me a lot.
I main as the main-tank for my guild as a feral bear. Not something I anticipated doing from the start, but hell it's a blast, I've never had more fun in an MMO. My guild is super supportive, and I wish more guilds were of bear tanks, as I can easy out-threat warrior tanks and can hold my own mitigation-wise even without the ability to block of parry. I feel a lot of guilds are afraid or overly cautious to bringing along bear tanks, which I don't get. I also 100% agree with the power dropoff as your leveling, the 55-60 grind is real as a druid, even feral.
Like, honestly. The reason I'm the MT in my guild is that I crush our dual wielding Fury Prot tanks on threat. The "main Warrior tank" in my guild needs to go full threat gear, dual wield (obviously) and DW + Reck to beat me on threat.
@@Daniel-so4fl 100% man... The dps request bear tank for most of the fights because they can actually go ham full time. When people see the TPS of a Bear with 16k armor and 12k up they become believers... Keep representing for the bears man!
Bears struggle to find top end (bwl) gear whereas war tanks don't. Bears full gear bwl use up more mana for the healer than a deep prot warrior full gear bwl. Bears cannot compete with Thunder Fury threat generation. Nobody can, not for long. Bears cannot compete with fury/prot warriors threat when fighting Vaelastrasz. Other than that, Bears are very good tanks.
@@julien5053 look at a TPS curve on Vael... If you have a manual crowd pummeler going... You absolutely can keep up with threat my good sir. With world buffs especially I'm at 38% crit right now... It's not an issue and I MT Vael every week
@@nalyd008 Maybe because you're focused on offense and not defense. A bit like fury/prot warrior. Still I'm not sure that a fury/prot with an equivalent gear could not generate more threat on Vael. Anyway I would need to test it. And since I can't, because there is no bear focused on offense in our guild, I give you the benefit of the doubt.
I main a feral dps druid in classic. Everyone has been underestimating me and my class from the beginning. It has been fun being in the top 3 dps classes and managing to beat a few rogues and some not so good warriors. PS: If you want to play a feral kitty in raids, do it. It has the most fun and interactive rotation in the game, your dps is actually really good if you know what you are doing and you will prove many people wrong. You don't have to spam frostbolt to be viable in this 15 year old game. Just play what you like and prove the doubters wrong.
Hell yeah. Did my first cat raid (bwl) couple days ago and always did 2/3rds or more dps of my guilds best dpsers (almost fully geared rogues missing an item or two) Go for it for sure!
@@Immagonko look guys, we spotted the ignorant one :) If only he knew the true power of a well played feral druid. Kinda sad that there will only be 1 spot per raid though
Logs don't lie Sameer. Druid is ATLEAST 500 dps behind the top dps'rs and not even in the top 500 of all class logs for every boss in BWL. Razorgore: Warrior: 2225. Top druid: 1387 Vael: Warrior 3031. Top druid : 1935 Broodlord: Warrior 1664. Top druid: 1004 Firemaw: Warrior: 1780. Top druid: 958 Ebon: Warrior: 1627. Top druid: 1055 Flamegor: Warrior: 1781. Top druid: 1145 Chrom: Mage: 2270. Top druid: 987 Nefarian: Warrior: 1563 - Top druid: 976 Might be very enjoyable but don't go around saying well played feral druids compete with the big boys. Your guilds warriors and rogues are poor and if they put in the effort you did, you wouldn't be in the top 10.
I have both a Druid and a Priest. Buffing on the Druid is SO much easier than buffing on a Priest. You can cast mark on 3 groups before you go out of mana. On my priest I have to drink after every group I fully buff. Mark itself is also super low to cast, you can single buff 5 or 6 players without going out of mana.
@Use DuckDuckGo Classic is a completely different game than Retail. I would definitely suggest you try it, you're already paying a subscription. Though, as a newer player, it might be something very unfamiliar to you and not at all fun.
@Use DuckDuckGo Depends on what you're looking for in an MMO. Each version of the game has its own many different flaws and different strengths. They are also both very alien games from each other. I can definitely recommend classic (As I have played it almost every day since it released), but if you are having fun with retail then you'll do fine sticking with it and a new expansion is coming soon.
"Cannot compete with the amount of threat that fury tanks can put out"? Well excuuuse me but the only time a "fury tank" can compete with my threat is when he is using both Death Wish and Recklessness. Druid tanks have the same base multiplier as Warriors which is 1.495 when talented but druids also get that combined with another multiplier (1.75) on Maul and Swipe which makes them actually generate threat at 2.61 times the amount of damage they put out. This is of course to compensate for having less damage than a warrior but combine that with a Manual Crowd Pummeler and virtually no warrior can get close to your threat in similar gear without using their 30 minute cooldown.
Who compares fury spec to feral tanks... really. Its mainly prot specced tanks you compete against and i can outthreat them every day of the week without even trying.
Yeah i dont like videos that are bias or uninformative. Videos like this are the reason people have a misconception that some classes are terrible. I havent had on fury tank keep up with bear threat unless they pop cooldowns and when they do they risk dying and sometimes get one shotted. And to be honest, with so much armor and health, i have never needed to pot or was close to dying unless my healers werent paying attention. The only true bs is farming pummelers. Cat form is ass and situational and healing and battel rez has its place. 99% of guilds arent speed running or requiring buff cap so stop making it seems as though buff cap is an issue. This video already had an agenda before it even started. And for you pvpers, if you come across a good druid they are hard to kill and will kite the fk out of you. So if youre looking to play druid you always have a place anywhere you go. You just have to felxible which is why you picked druid in the first place.
@@edwinrivas4541 cat form is not ass. They have really good single target dps. Some of my first naxx raids Cat is #1. They could be quite possibly the best dps for first week naxx because all their BIS gear is AQ
Ehhh it is not exactly perfect. He has such a low understanding of the druid somehow... feral tanks are fucking amazing first off. Feral dps when power shifting is very viable, fun, engaging and has a melee crit buff which every warrior wants. And ignite mages want a boomie in their group always. Druid is a good pick though! Play what ever roll you want! You can make it work
Druid is basically exactly what I expected, and I'm a big fan. I've played Druid since TBC. Resto until late wrath, then feral ever since. In classic I've been playing feral dps and I enjoy it a lot. I just hate the player psychology around it; how everyone shits on it and doesn't take you seriously. What people don't seem to understand is this game isn't so hard that we all need to be min-maxing rogues to clear raids. You can take "meme" specs and do just fine.
@@plasticbudgie I'm not sure about how it was 13 years ago, but I've been playing TBC private servers for years and you don't need druid specific macros (cancelform etc) anymore. It's built-in the game. Ofc you still need regular macros, but so does any other class.
@@zyyzzbrah When i refer to Druids being gods, It's generally accept they're gods within Arena, and Gods at Flag Running in WSG. Generaly the tier list. S-Tier: Resto Druid - Rogue A TIer: Warlock, Mage, Disc Priest ( Hunter with the right Comp I.E Disc Hunter Drain 2's ) Just an example really, where as Druids in 3's have to have an insane amount of Macros. but Resto is still pretty much smash your face against the keyboard and pretend you're actually good at the game in BGs in TBC. I'd argue with Feral is Near beyond OP like ShS rogues. Their weakness being restealthing and Mana Issues and not resseting a fight is fixed with. open up with GREAT burst and bleeds, Cyclone Heal to full Restealth Repeat. I'd argue a Top rated Feral should beat most classes 1v1 in TBC. Other than Disc Priest which is easily the best 1v1 class in the game in duel scenarios. oh yeah Warrior and Healer is just Derp... Charge Smash free kills just faceroll. Warrior without healer is sooo bad its funny, worse than Vanilla. That's my experience with Private servers and Past knowledge of the days.
I think you accurately covered the initial feeling of druids in classic, but as you said the fun is in mastering the class. There is so much utility built into the class for both PVE and PVP that make it the most interesting class to consistently play with in my opinion. The ability to melee DPS, tank, heal, ranged DPS, or just play as a full utility/mobility character make finding the best use of your GCD's a challenge that i don't think another class can rival. I think the draw for playing druids in classic is finding the holes in your groups' playstyle and filling your role within it with one class, rather than filling a predetermined slot. Securing the last 10% performance difference between the best mage and a good mage doesn't have the same satisfaction as the best druid and an good druid, at least to me.
As a full bis Moonkin I am upset with this video. Bear tanks Are incredible and have many places where they beat warriors in raids also generate tons of threat for MCP usages. warriors compete better at the 0.3% of top players because of high threat high dps and huge cooldowns for speedy content. Feral cats are not rogues but compete highly in the dps Charts with power shift MCP Also being able to mix into bear talents to ensure you have a 4/5/6th off tank for some trash / boss fights. Healers have insane utility and clearly top tier for many buffs / utility tools they bring (which is a healers job, Heal and utility) Also Imagine a priests being nice and not asking for innvervate after max rank spamming. They also are the reason you got rank 14 in bgs when spamming Wsg. Moonkins might not be the best dps but bring extra dps to your bis casters (fire mages op x4 with 3% crit and a rebirth for your top warrior who over aggro-ed YET again) math works out as 400dps non buffed. 50+ more dps per mage (not including fire) FF increases to ALL melee raid memebers and a rebirth to your 600 dps warrior. Math works out to huge numbers with WBuffs included. ALSO GOOD MOONKINS DONT OOM. Having almost infinite mana supply with rank 1 starfire having a 100% spell power scale to it for 80 odd mana small regen but when you include worldbuffs and consumes you should almost NEVER oom. The dance is bis for all content, You wipe /Dance and you boost your raids moral back to 99% and it'll get the boss down. Also It still competes in dance competitions today being top 3 dances for 15 years straight. Plus in theory we can get 20k armour as moonkin in naxx bis whilst still popping barkskin 79% physical reduction + another 20% more reduction to that. you want mitigation. We are literal gods to physical mitigation.I Did enjoyed the video, keep up the content -Flumpstick Out
I levelled as Resto and I still play my main regularly in raids and now in Silithus. It's about what I expected coming from retail, but I didn't expect it to be so perfect for me. Yes, your heals are not as beefy as a priest's, but you more than make up for it with the extra versatility in PvP and in raids. It's not the most efficient, but I'm currently levelling another druid as balance because disintegrating gnomes with Starfire crits is just too much fun.
@@nexya26 can be a bit tough but I'm sure it's doable. You might want to stock up on a lot of water and mana pots though, you'll he going oom very often. The most optimal way to level is in cat form ofc and keep in mind that as a caster you don't have a lot of spells.
One point you forgot to mention is how much easier it is to get into groups as a druid. With 0/30/21 you can easily switch between being a healer or a tank in any dungeon, which was a huge plus when I was first trying to get gear.
From my own experience being specced mostly into feral dps/tank hybrid(for leveling) with some points in resto,i found you can still heal the dungeon even if you have very little points in resto!
I simply cannot believe that you've only ever healed a bear once. They are in most guilds, some as offspec tanks and some as main tanks. They do both roles well. And they bring a lot to the table. Also that "druids are only healers in raids" thing completely flipped on its head in classic. No guild I come across thinks like that. Certainly boomkins and cats are phased out as being suboptimal in raids, but I don't hear that about bear tanks.
My main has been a druid since I started near the end if BC. I revived her in Classic and did not regret it. Was Boomkin in retail but went feral dps with my hubby trying the class as healer. We had a blast.
4 piece PvP set bonus actually increases your travel form movement speed to 161% of base - the 15% speed modifier in forms is applied on top of existing movement speed buffs!
Tank druid def over preforming from what i was expecting going into classic. I'd say they are pretty well equal to warriors on fights that don't rely on cheese mechanics (Fear, Popping sand on Chrom)
Leveled both a Tauren and a Night Elf, playing the Tauren most of the time. Still playing my druid that I mained back in vanilla in BFA to this day. Druids ftw!
Oooh man I've never been this early to a Will E video. Druid has been pretty fun for me. Basically what I expected...but I'm in a nice guild where I am the official off-tank which is really cool. I can see how some druids who aren't resto might struggle to have fun if they can't find a niche in a guild who will use them. PvP was really fun prior to AB coming out, as we were really desirable and to a degree my DMs still explode on WSG weekends. I hit my rank though so I pretty much rarely PvP unless begged anymore. The pummeler farm is absolutely as bad as advertised though, that's for sure. I do it because I have to but I'm sick of it, and I'll be glad to be done with it in TBC. It's not that it's hard, I just hate the nagging obligation to do it constantly.
The MCP farm is the single reason I'm not attempting to raid on my druid. She's expressly for farming and to fill a tank/heal spot on guild dungeons as needed. So I'm a very hodge-podge spec (not any official one for sure) so that I can can have a little booted heals and a little boosted armor. I swap the gear and I'm good to go for either.
@@The0nlyy False. In TBC the MCP effect is changed from 3 charges to a permanent clickable proc with a 1 hour cooldown. That being the case, the MCP farm is effectively over once TBC item changes occur.
@@FIASCOGAMING I didn't say you needed a "niche guild". I said you have to find a nice guild that lets you play in your niche due to Resto being the most common expectation, and Wars being the defacto go-to.
tl;dr for boomkin leveling: Going oom is part of your rotation. You burn down 1-2 mobs at super high speeds, then swap to cat form for the next 3. By the time you need to pop out to heal, you'll have a good 50+% of your mana back with even low spirit gear. It's about rotating through your forms. It's more of a limitation than a conscious design choice, but does sell the theme of the class more.
Main a mage, it's fun got my epic tiger mount on him. Now have my druid to lvl 37 and having a blast. Class is just fun because you can do everything and I enjoy healing
11:16, you know you played far too many night elf characters when, even tho you last played at the end of Wotlk, remember exactly that along that river is a rare mob spawn, one of those fungal dudes but IIRC its a dark green /teal-ish one.
Once you get used to the mobility and versatility druids have in Classic it's really hard to stick with anything else. Other classes always seem to be lacking in some aspect, but my druid can do anything!
In my raid team one of the main tanks is a bear, and he gets insane amounts of threat. That isn't to say that the player probably wouldn't do even better on a warrior, but if the player can make it work the bear does have a lot of advantages to offer.
Please continue this series! If you are concerned about the viewership this video got then try a popular class like Warrior or Mage before you cancel this series... I have been waiting for this series to continue!
Was lucky enough to get into a guild that let me go full feral DPS and with a bit of effort put into it i can keep up with the rouges and warriors on most boss fights its also very easy to swap some gear around and go bearform and become a offtank there's only a few bosses i have issues with when it comes to tanking due to being a bit squishy all in all feral DPS is a very good spec if you put a lot of work and effort into it
This is quite under-rated; because a good druid off-tank is basically like having an extra DPS for fights where you don't need an off-tank. They can pull so much weight for a raid comp and there's nothing quite like a bear tank with DR cap and a disgusting amount of HP.
Just wanted to correct you regarding drinking pots in bear form: you CAN drink pots with macro and go back to bear via macro and cause of batching there is zero risk to get hit in the meanwhile.
Yup. I macro'd healthstones, all potions and whipper root tubers, as well as innervate and battle res. While I don't do the battle res while tanking, I can even innervate when the boss isn't hitting me with a flurry.
I love druids in my guild. We've got a boomkin who might be the most obsessive gear grinder I've ever seen. My guild found him in org dancing next to the AH already had full BIS including the cap of the scarlet savant, toep, and world boss gear. His faster to the taunt then almost any dps warrior in the group and got a hand of rag made within days purely for the transmog. Next brings our third tank great gear saved us from a ton of wipes and one of the most dedicated raiders we have, just a flawless raider. I choose to main a lok in classic, but my alt has been way more fun. I've got full resto and tank sets had a blast killing heal charts then swaping to MT 20 mains groups and im ready to go for that AQ 20 loot. We aren't the top class but come TBC and dual speccing in WOTLK. F jack of all trades I'm going to keep building towards that three way threat we once were.
I started off as a Warlock with Classic but I have now switched full time to Feral Druid Tank. I have been able to Main Tank all of MC/ZG/Ony and OT BWL, definitely loving the class so.
I think feral tanks were sold a bit short here. For single target threat, bears are absolute monsters with MCP. The item is essentially doubling the threat generation, and they have great resistances / gear optimization for any fire-damage boss (minus Nef on Druid call). This also carries over well to nature res and frost res gear in later phase raids. Cat dps also has potential to be #3 behind warriors and rogues if the effort is put in; not just “okay” dps. They also might serve a niche in battlegrounds as a flag carrier or node defender, but a good Druid is nearly unkillable. I think classic players really hammered it home that druids are better overall performers than previously thought.
one minute into this video, "DRUID IS NOT A HARDCORE CLASS" dude.....they actually produce more threat than a warrior..... i have over 100 days on just my druid in classic im seriously offended by you saying that The infomartion you posted is beyond shrewed also the more i watched this the more inexperienced you seemed with the class
Yeah also tanking as a druid and prepping for AQ40, over 12k hp 12k armour, one pummler and I enable all the meta following warriors and rogues to go biiiig dck dps without a worry on threat, love it :)
his information is skewed? where are you getting the information that they produce more threat than a warrior? you've just played with some shit warriors mate. please head to warcraft logs and compare 99 parsing warrior tanks to druids. compare 99 parsing fury warriors to druids. you cant hold agro against anything popping reck, or in a prolonged execute phase (vael). get a grip m8
@@Whitt09 maybe you should look at threat charts and not dps idiot...i will shoot past any warrior on Whitemane when i have my Mcp on.....oh and im not sacrificing defense for it either c:
Never thought I’d put my hands on this class and now its my main. Rerolled from a holy pally and my god what a difference in flavour and playstyle. I recommend druid to anyone who’s been thinking of rerolling due to their current gameplay being bland as hell. Both as healer in raids and pvp (fc or healer) druid is so incredibly fun.
Our guild has two druids in our main raid group: myself (fully geared resto druid minus one ring - I need a cauterizing band to compliment my elementium band) and our feral offtank (fully geared with accuria, DFT, world-dragon leggings, etc.) and we've thrived. I think the main thing is ensuring that the raid group is maximizing the best components of the druid kits to their abilities. It's not so much about the jack of all trades, master of none belief but more along "how do we ensure their strengths shine through?" The subject of HOT usage is valid, but I do feel like the buff cap culture being a concern isn't completely true. The other driving force in the validity of HOTs in raid comes down to mana efficiency. If you're a guild still trying to progress properly, or streamlining your clears you're not going to want to cast hots purely out of mana cost. Healing Touch (rank four) still is the top healing spell from pure healing output to mana efficiency for druids. You can downrank further at the 1098 +healing break point, but most druids aren't touching that until deep into P5 with AQ40 gear. If you're speed clearing and have a druid then using Regrowth is the optimal means. Otherwise it comes down to raid comp too; with our guild we carry five shamans and a few priests to round out our healing core. Shamans' chain healing does subdue a lot of HOT value too and that needs to be factored in (especially for late P4 guilds with success). When it comes to AQ40 progression, I suspect the more average or slightly above-average guilds see more optimal HOT usage especially on Huhu where raid damage in enrage phase becomes a concern. Circling back on our druid tank: He's arguably one of the best on Bigglesworth in my opinion and we rewarded because of it. The threat output when compared to our two thunderfury tanks is obviously night and day in favor of the warriors. We still let him do two major BWL fights (Broodlord and Firemaw) and he uses a pummeler on those. He's also done Chrommagus using three full pummeler charges and his threat lead on the other tanks AND DPS was astonishing. However that's just it: gearing + pummeler farming are required to be at his level of performance. All of that is to say that if you're becoming a feral tank or you have one that wants to exceed perceived expectations/capability then you have to have to funnel some gear as well as farm and be buffed. If you get that point and have the solid mechanics down, along with synergy with your raid members you're poised to succeed. This isn't even mentioning AQ40 loot for feral druids which helps them ascend to another level. We're actively looking at data and excited at the possibilities of our feral tank in this because we think he can be extremely viable on a few high-damage fights.
I've been playing a feral tank, and there are a few nice perks. Firstly, I've tanked every boss in the game through BWL. There are a number of nice perks the class has, one of which is the buff cap. Druids have less innate buffs than warriors. Warriors have to stop getting buffs at around 22 to 24 buffs, where druids can get 26. We don't have those innate buffs that warriors get. This means we can get more consumes. I subtle, but nice perk.
It was so fun getting ambushed by rogues in WPL/EPL while in full mitigation gear and bear talents :D fearie fire and you chase that silly gnome down ! I could legit 1v1 in open world - mages, locks (run them OOM), warriors, rogues (thanks to feral tank gear), hunters (deadzone abuse and CC break) it was so much fun
I will let you know, our Oomkin is very usefull in raids. Everytime there is a job that would take up a dps, we can put him on it. He makes the BWL dragon packs after Vael very convinient AND having someone who got time to work on a battle res is also always wellcome, also innevate. Besides... he is perfect as a reference point for range dps and healers. Everybody can understand the "stack up on the OWL" command. works like a charm
Spot on, was resto druid for hardcore raid guild got all T1 and was a powerhouse in MC topping charts. Did well in BWL to start and was in full T3 with rejuv gem in just 3 weeks/raids of its open and then it went downhill. Was not allowed to cast HoT due to buff limit and ended up middle of pact at best. It became quite clear that a priest or shaman would be better to bring and allow the solo feral off tank to buff MoTW. I love druids and for the most part consider them my favorite class for all of WoW but in classic...any other class just scales far better beyond MC.
Will E. Did you forget bears could use MCP? They are close to armor cap buffed, have 10k+ health (without a flask) and pumping as much threat as a fury prot (even those with tf).. there are drawbacks (ie last stand, no proper shieldwall etc), but for the most part it's not an issue or managable. But overall, they are very very strong.
I feel like you did feral druids dirty here I'm one of the main tanks in my guild (we have multiple raid groups) and when I pop pummeler, a warrior needs to pop reck/death wish with thunderfury to have a chance at keeping up, and they'll be taking a lot more damage. I also hit armor cap and over 10k HP even without flask while doing so I think one of the strongest parts about druid tanks is that in order for warriors to build a ton of threat, they must drop a ton of their mitigation. druids lose no mitigation, even in max threat gear, apart from maybe a few percent dodge or a hundred HP. some fights are harder for druids than warriors, though I've successfully tanked nefarian multiple times (I'm even the main nefarian tank in our raid group). I've also main tanked chromaggus (I don't know what you mean by consume macros being unreliable, I have never ever died while popping sand or stoneshields) now with phase 5, we're getting a 300 attack power weapon (for reference, this is literally equivalent to a warrior having *two crusader buffs* on *permanently*, and we're getting an idol that lets us swipe/maul spam without ever going out of rage ever. while it's true we lack some utility in certain fights compared to warriors, especially huge cooldowns like shield wall or engineering, druids are absolute beasts who can handle any boss you throw at them, and do a better job than 90% of warriors we also have a cat DPS in the raid group who consistently sits in the top DPS. rarely absolute #1, though it happens sometimes on some fights, and they are always beating several of the warriors/rogues the video felt a lot like it was based more on truisms and what "everyone knows" about ferals in raids than it was about actual experience with the class
-and we're getting an idol that lets us swipe/maul this in phase 6 I dont disagree with you BWL give bear the push they need to be more than viable. I got my biss all phase last night the vanguard boots from aq 20 I play feral dps. I twinked lv 59 for a all phase 1 2 and 3 and i was overpowering rogue very easily. I was killing most healer in 2 global. The only twink that felt stronger was the warrior with the lionheart helm. Now in AQ i cannot wait to see how powerful i will be. I 2 shot a rogue with Windseeker sword last night. Let me tell you: It felt pretty good. I blame gear from phase and 2 and 3 for the meta-narrative being feral do not scale. Remove the rogue tier set and remove core hound toots now were is the meta
Shamys, I've leveled and healed as a shamy and can say ez leveling with multi pulls being manageable no mana problems with leveling eather, for end game I've done one BWL, and quight a number of MCs and ZGs, both cases totems and chain heal being great to us, not many mana problems once you get some of those purples but only after that, get to have some fun rolls with tanks and the healing is relaxing with just chain heal and some totems to keep up, totem picking and totem twisting ended up being some of my favorite parts of healing, tho I will say making gold outside of professions is posably the slowest, lastly, gear was fun to get, out of a mags, Druid, and shamy the shamy gear was what I was the most exited about, but this is from just a healers prospective, I've seen three shame tanks throw out the hole game so far and they can tank leveling dongens pretty well, mana problems but add control surprisingly good, the one max level tank I saw was a main tank for a guild that had BWL on farm from the third week and he said it was good enough with the giuld, they weren't a racing guild but they still had good progression and such, lastly my Gould had two meele shamens, they not the greatest to be honest, still great people to talk to but I digress, lastl lastly I gess is pop, I dident do much but when in open world you can keep your self up with an instep heal and thos windfury procs. Love the vids and keep it up, also, best of luck to you all out there with that loot, Zug Zug for the win
I have both a feral and a resto druid. I can easily keep up and beat everyone else on the healing meters as the general quality of healers seems to be fairly low. However on certain bosses where sniping is the only way to get heals in, like ebonroc and flamegor, you will be at the bottom. Feral cat requires a lot of effort and skill. It can perform really well if you're rank 13 (there isn't really any items available to feral until AQ). Bear is a beast. If you're using mcps, which you should be, you will take off as a rocket in terms of threat. Leveling as cat feels alright at the beginning of the game but don't really scale well on gear so you can't just slap on a stupidly strong weapon and smash through content like all other melee can. You can level as boomkin, but you need to cast Starfire and blue wrath. It can be really good as you have a stupid amount of armour in boomkin form. Cat doesn't take off at 20, it takes off at 40 as you get access to wolfhead helm for proper powershifting.
Great idea for content. Do paladin next please :D. I play ret and against all the memes and in game hate I love the class. There is something so satisfying about getting your 5 hit combo in
Bears can compete with fury warriors for threat if they use MCP. Maybe not quiet as good as a thunderfury warrior, but they can compete and if you're hit capped, that helps too
I come at it from the perspective of a two boxer. I run two accounts and play on a PC and a Laptop. I've tried different combos. My first two 60's are a Hunter/Priest team. Now I'm working on another team and Druid/Priest seem good. At first, I loved Cat Druid, but with no taunt, and no way to strike more than one mob at a time, it got too tedious by level 48, plus, very few dungeon groups will accept a cat druid as dps. However, I have seen a lot of Bear Druid Tanks in dungeon groups so I finally respected and went Bear. Loving it so far. Bear has a good taunt, has talents that give it more agro, and it can strike three mobs at once. Running the bear now, the healer priest rarely gets any agro at all.
I have both a feral with dft and a boomkin with 16% hit and tear and I love it. A bear with pummeler actually puts out more threat than warriors, sometimes even more than fury prots with TF. A boomkin can keep up, but requires gear. It is all about how you manage threat and mana.
You are selling Bear tanks short, I am currently playing one and raiding with Thunderfury fury prots, and even when Bears are at their worst point relatively gear wise in pre AQ (LITERALLY WORST) I can generate nearly identical threat while being tankier. The only downside is the lack of utility. And our thunderfury tank has warlord gear on so he is no slouch either.
I played my main character as a druid a week after launch of vanilla and my memory was they were really weak (great healers though), it wasn't until i got mangle when the burning crusade came out that my druid started to perform pretty well as dps cat. As a NE druid in bgs i noticed i wouldn't get killed very often whether i was confused with a hunter pet (the lack of horns in cat form for a NE is a big bonus) or they thought druids were too weak to worry about, bgs after TBC were great for feral cat druids. Oh and don't forget about flight form 2 levels before anybody else could fly and it was cheap and if you got it you didn't have to train in flight, which was expensive. It seemed in TBC that blizzard was saying "hey all you druids out there thank's for sticking with the game even though we made your class way under powered for so long"
Using MCP as a bear tank can actually out TPS a warrior with thunderfury (atleast alliance side). I dunno if they could horde side with a shaman's windfury totem. I completely agree with what you said about healing them. As a holy paladin, when I see a bear tank in my group I know it's going to be an easy time.
being your guild's go to feral tank with 11k+ armor and insane health pools is quite fun. there's definitely room for feral tanks especially on the mid size servers. maybe im just lucky but on smolderweb we have a decent community of feral tanks who know their shit. quite a few of us in various guilds, whitemane transfers mention how they're shocked how many more ferals there are on our server. i think there's a hidden beauty to the spec that few get to see in classic.
Back in original wow, I mained a resto-feral druid. I was fortunate enough to be in a top raiding guild that generally let players spec how they wanted if you could prove your worth! We even did world bosses which gave us access to some additional loot most players didn't have. We did PvP as well and I made Marshal but stopped there to keep my sanity. I had a set for every occasion. Bear, cat, healing, balance, pvp, fire, nature. Bags were always full and having engineering didn't help. It was definitely a challenge but having the ability to switch between a healer, tank, and dps was useful on many fights. I also had *a lot* more time back then! My alt was hunter but I made hunter my main this time around! I only have time to raid 2 nights/wk. now. Just wait until TBC. Then again, hunter was really solid in tbc too, much better than vanilla.
I love playing my druid. I'm bear specced. I've tanked ZG, AQ20, MC and Ony as MT, and AQ40 and BWL as OT (also tanking some bosses). That paired with bringing a CR and innervate, and having an int-set for certain fights (dispelling etc.), I really feel like druid is a very viable option.
I played as a balance druid in vanilla as my first char... I remember not having enough gold to buy feral abilities. Also, balance does haven't pushback mitigation in Barksin, as I recall. I remember being so happy when they patched that ability in.
I main a Bear tank, in a semi HC guild. Bears are not better or worse than warriors, just different. We have pros and cons vs warriors. Bears can balance threat and mitigation well. We don't have to gimp our mitigation to pump threat just throw on a MCP. Our guild warriors are quite good and pump quite hard, and I keep up reasonably comfortably. Our armor and health pool help smooth out the spikey damage a lot but a triple flurry crit is still sketchy. Gear wise AQ has helped HUGELY and keeps me competitive while tanking and OS dpsing. The biggest con is not being able to pot in form. This has left me vulnerable on more than one occasion. So in summery. We bring a different tank style to the table (big ol' lump of HP and armor and decent threat) we run 2 warrior and 1 bear and that feels right and gives us the option to put the best meat shield in front of the boss
I play Feral hybrid dps/tank and i love my toon. The Classic meta (warrior > druid) is mostly what is holding it back. There is finally Feral gear in AQ but i am afraid that after one year of stacking fury warriors that are now super geared and first priority on loots, most guild will never let a kittybear join with mostly blues.
I joined a guild with the intention to play shadow. Got benched from raids quite a bit early on so I did some PvP. Didn't quite enjoy shadow in BGs due to the amount of undead warriors around so I started leveling a druid. One of the officers asked me what specc I intended to play at 60, balance I told him. Been raiding with my shadow priest ever since ;). Spoiler: Druid is 60 now and I've been ranking a bit on it. Double druid/druide+rogue in AV is quite a bit of fun :D.
I started as a Tauren Druid on Nethergarde Keep EU when it launched. My previous experience was playing a Tauren Hunter during Late Classic till WotLK days as a kid that had no clue what was going on. I do not know why I picked Druid, but seemed fun at the time of choosing. As I was playing on my own, I went purely into feral main tanking and was very doable for leveling. When I was leveling in Winterspring as a LVL 58, I was picked up by a guild when they noticed I was guildless ( Before that, I did not join any guild, considering I did not feel the need to join on ) Then when they invited me as a trial to their raids in Ony and MC, they quickly made it clear that they want me as a Restro druid. Me being a newbie overall and not knowing what to expect, I agreed and became the main Restro Druid after the previous one left because of drama. Even though I felt very decent at doing my part in raids, I did not enjoy doing any dungeons as a main healer. So after that, I quit around January this year. Haven't gone back since. If I were to go back, I would probably just chill around the map and not really focus on endgame anymore.
9:57 you totally missed the mark on the pvp bit. A skilled druid is a terror in BGs. They are fantastic at guarding a flag and infiltrating/capping especially if you send them with a rogue or time their opening with the arrival of another dps. If HoTs are getting dispelled the Druid can spam rank1s to oom the healer. No class really counters a good feral or resto Druid because of how effectively they change the meta in a fight by going cat, bear, or roots/wrath spam. And, I already said it but will say it again, they are top tier at guarding a peg. Almost unkillable one on one with moonfire to stop the cap. A cheeky druid will even use aquatic form in AB to kite away and back to a flag.
I am so glad I chose druid wow classic. It is 100% the most fun class in the game. I've tried levelling alts but cant bc my druid was just so fun to level with all the forms and extra movement. At end game I've tanked, dpsed, and healed at the very top of my guild consistently getting 99s and averaging 95+ parses. Absolute brilliant class to play. Not to mention the world PvP which is so so so fun on a druid rogues get absolutely wrecked and have no idea what to do if they're fairie fired. mages polymorph to no avail. Warriors rooted the whole time. Warlocks are tough but usually go oom and its a long fight. DRUIDS ARE SO GOOD so glad I chose this class I'm in love with it
Vanilla Druid was remembered as the jack of all trades master of none. But I think we all underestimated the min max potential on a Druid specifically. I’ve seen druids topping overall dps in raids over and over again. Feral tanks, easily keeping agro on some of the hardest hitting bosses with greens on…. When a TF tank warrior would die repeatedly.. and needed to be replaced. And don’t even get me started on the resto druids. Clearly a master of all, lacking in none.
Hey Wille. Do you know why there are so many people playing vanilla and wotlk on private servers but not so many playing tbc? I always wondered why this is the case and I have a slight feeling that tbc will be much less succesful than classic was/is and that is not only because I hate tbc. Do you have any ideas or thoughts that can answer my question?
As a Resto Druid while looking for a dungeon group I was told more than once that Druids aren't real healers as they don't have a res without a cool down. Not what I was expecting to ever hear as a healer.
I mained a druid this time around because I wanted to main a druid in tbc again. Leveling starting out just didn't feel great but in the like 30-45 area it felt great as long as you never pulled 2 casters at once because that had a 100% chance to fail and you had basically zero ways to cc handle that pull. I did some raiding but felt pretty useless outside of val. I wasn't expecting much but was expecting more. With this bad impression I'm likely not playing tbc even know it was my main reason to playing druid. I think my memory is to clouded looking back on my favorite expansion.
Who else is here rewatching for classic 20th anniversary
I wish you would have talked more about your personal experiences with playing a druid and not just gone down the checklist of druid guide to raiding. As soon as you said you had not raided as a druid I instantly took everything you said about druid raiding with a gargantuan grain of salt, because you have no experience and are just reading off what you have heard druids in raid are like. The only thing in this video I completely agreed with you on is the lack of feeling of power as you progressed, because it is less dramatic than other classes.
will do in the future for sure
@@WillEmmo Don't want to be rude but at that point just delete this video, it makes you look like a clown, and you are just straight pissing on Druids by saying only healing spec is viable
@@antoineweb1
You absolutely wanted to be rude; the least you could've done was be honest about it.
@kb4life100 you're uninformed, and condescending without justification, which just makes you look stupid.
Bear tanks are fully viable now (only some encounters are slightly harder, but nothing serious), it just takes a bit more time to get your gear. Big deal.
Oh, and once AQ really hits, expect druid tanks to be better and more survivable than equivalent warrior tanks, as our gearing suddenly improves a lot more than warrior gear.
When Naxx hits, I expect druid tanks to be the prime tanking choice for numerous encounters.
@@StCreed so true. Another thing about bears in Naxx is that they go in fully geared in Bis. Warriors do not
Will E, I feel that you're a lot down on bear tanks compared to reality. It's true that they can do well with hitpoints and armour... but also true that they can beat out the vast majority of warriors for aggro when geared properly. Thunderfury fury prots are the only ones you can't beat and even then, I've beaten a few of them in aggro competitions. MCP is just insane for bear tanks as you don't get rage limited when Broodlord is whaling on you. I feel like the biggest issue for bear tanks is that the itemisation is weird and people don't always prioritise them properly so it can be hard to get well geared, and there are a couple of mechanics which just really punish Druids specifically for no reason like the Nefarian class call.
Can totally agree and confirm, played both cat and bear. Easily outagrro any warrior w/o TF and can be on the same lvl as a warrior with TF if MCP is used. Also you can spend much less money on consumables every raid and feeling ok
Problem is 90% of tanks who would be dedicated enough to constantly use MCP, did instead roll Warrior sadly.
Can confirm that I outaggro all warriors who don't have thunderfury without even using MCP. I can very much complete with thunderfury tanks while using a manual crowd pummeler, and I feel like people knock really hard on what the haste does. Attack power increases your raw damage based on your base attack speed so haste is pretty insane all things considered, same with crit chance.
An ungeared bear tank can still be very strong so they will be useful in AQ as well. Being able to be crit is a downside but most warriors don't stack all that defense so bear tanks with greater hp pools are much less likely to die to major crit or spell damage as long as your healers have mana.
It's pretty much free real estate if you aren't using a bear tank since their loot is going to be hyper specific from now on, their only real downsides are some consumes are more annoying to use since if you use them you lose all your rage, etc. They also lack an easy way to get consistent threat generation off the bat, warriors just have much more, not to say warriors can't have trouble with resists but it's much more common for a feral to be parried twice and be screwed, and there's no easy indicator like two sunders.
I use MCP and I out threat every TF/FuryProt tank I've come across.
yea don't think really understands druid tank its a really solid endgame raider.
-They can out threat fury warriors while using a MCP without dropping armor and health. in "equal mitigation" even without MCP they beat warriors on threat, as warriors need dps gear to match.
then the other bonus's;
-not rage starved offtanking,
-3% crit,
-Farie Fire debuff is a big deal about 10% raid dps,
-a ranged pull,
-a mobility tool with bear charge, warriors dump rage to use intercept,
-better access to resist gear without gimping stats,
-other utility like combat rez, innervate, they can jump out and heal, or heal/dispel certain fights with 20% bonus int.
The main weakness is they don't have shield wall and last stand. so they will struggle on a few fights in naxx where healing is stopped.
play a druid at "endgame" before making a video about them!
I remember my best friend growing up mained a druid in vanilla. God I miss those days just playing wow and wc3 all day.
Same bro, same
Fuck Yes. Classic and Wrath were the best times in wow for me. I'd give anything to have to same feeling of danger and excitement that I would feel playing through Vanilla.
@@kwitchercryn1775 you kno you can jus play classic again right? I’m playing a warrior which I’ve never played before and almost lvl 40, can’t wait for that whirlwind ability. Servers are packed right now and I even had to wait in que before I logged on the other day
@@snyper105 yeah bro, I'm playing classic and I love it. Having said that, it will never be the same as the first time around. Exploring the unknown. That's what I meant.
I'm pretty sure Druid Tanks have the best Threat Per Second if they also use MCP (and possibly powershifting? Don't recall) and can main tank a lot more fights than you think, with only magic damage and sometimes general mitigation (the latter less often due to their sheer HP) as their weaknesses.
Grinding a bunch of MCP is pretty shit though. If the item didn't have charges it'd be amazing.
I mean Skarm said they can tank everything except C'Thun and KT so yea
@@ChairmanMeow1 He's tanked KT on his druid though ^^
really undersold how good feral is to be honest.
The problem is that feral is hard. When compared to other dps, it is really fuckin hard, and the reward is being a somewhat worse rogue.
@@colinhobbs7265 to be fair, feral dps has this issue even in BfA
Atleast it’ll be incredibly strong in cataclysm
@@colinhobbs7265 I'm the highest dps feral on my server, it's not really that hard.. You just spam shared into ferocious bites and make sure you have mana pots.
Yup feral dps is one of the top 3 dps classes in classic when everyone plays at a good level, above all casters and hunters. Come aq, we may fall behind fire mages but at least we finally have some good gear to look forward to
I main tank for my guild. (Including Nef) I like druid because I can heal, resurrect, innervate, go invisible, tank all content in the game with our fury dps parsing 99 and easily holding aggro, I get an instant cast medium range pull (better than warrior's bows by a LOT), I can turn into a seal, or a cheetah, or pop a rogue sprint depending on what I'm doing. I can do massive AoE damage to huge groups of weak mobs. What makes druid great isn't self handi-capping myself lol, I can do everything. I'm a rogue, warrior, priest, and mage all at the same time. Sure I may not have every tool the pure classes has to offer at what they do, but I'm all of them. And, I have 10k hp and 10k armor while still out-threating a thunderfury fury prot warrior with no shield. Would never consider maining anything else.
Nail, head, etc.
And once I tried Bird form in later expansions, rolling another class became nearly impossible.
The gnome head takes me out every intro, I dunno how you keep it fresh but my god it’s good. Also enjoy your content very much!
Lol it's funny, isn't it 😂
I agree the gnome head cracks me up. When it rolls in I die.
Hahaha ya that's what I look for every time 😄😄
It helps that the name is also an innuendo,especially with the lack of hair
that shit pisses me off
Quick issue, the "Insane 1200 mana" for GOTW is a blessing. We can almost buff an entire raid on our own without drinking. Priests have 2 buffs to provide that cost half the mana bar lol. Save the pity for them ;)
As a Boomkin it is exactly what I expected. I have killed every raid boss many many times. And am very excited to go clear both AQ’s . I have never played feral or resto and don’t plan on it.
I just recently went into an MC pug just for poops and giggles and I was the 3rd - 4th top DPS in there lol
Good for you m8! Next time join ZF and I am sure you will manage to be in top 3
@Brant Hall do you have a problem with happiness?
As being a Druid main and main tank for my guild, I can say that I’m in love with the class and after BWL feel more confident taking on large challenges. I can and do MT every boss with exception of Nef due to Druid call, and I got pummeler farming down to less that 5 minutes back and forth. I also out-threat any warrior tank (prot/fury prot included).
I think you should try tanking Nef too, as long as healers are ready for it when it happens and mages are ready to be the new decursers it's really not that much of an issue when the druid call comes. I've maintanked Nef plenty of times as a druid and I think we've had the druid call 3 or for 4 times during that but I have never died from it. The only time that I've died on Nef is when a priest went full retard during priest call and game me a huge stack of debuffs.
Wiskerftw right on man. Yeah I usually dps and if the warrior dies I’ll take over, but that rarely happens. I’ll talk to them about it and see if I can do it and record.
Let me ask you man is it worth the ride to 60 are druids fun at 60 in pvp....I’m asking cause I like Druid flavor more than my shaman but everyone speaks so badly of them
I didn't think I'd main a Druid, I didn't think I'd go Boomkin, I definitely didn't think I'd be a raiding BiS Boomkin. But I was wrong, and I bloody love it.
Totally agree!!
me too
Jaymzmiller My GM is a Boomkin. My 3 YO dubbed them “naughty chickens”. My main is cat for raiding but I occasionally will OT in bear. Love it :)
Gaius Julius Caesar the vegans of wow
@Blue .Barrymore As in, I'm very close to having the Best in Slot items for every bit of gear available to my character, such as Nelfarions Tear and Mish'undare helm. Mages hate me.
Oh boy. I still remember the aquatic form questline. It was such a humongous pain in the ass. I lost count on how many times I died. But when I finally got it, even if it wasn't that useful on land, the completion of it felt great. This is what retail is missing imo. A sense of completion and the sense of accomplishment.
P.S. :Do either Shammy or Pally. Also say
"Windfury weapon proc lol"
I did the aquatic quest as soon as I got it and man I can't tell you how many times that thing saved my bacon, especially while in stranglethorn vale getting ganked by 2 or 3 people.
1 year of classic . And no Aqua form LOL
I loved my Druid. It has everything you need to do anything you want to. I eventually got bored though. Druid shines when you’re constantly adapting to a situation. However, those situations lessen as you hit the 60 mark and get into solid groups and raids. Then you fill one role, and a Druid performing one role gets dull quick. Each role a Druid fills isn’t terribly deep or hard, so when stuck on a singular focus the fun quickly diminishes. They remain amazingly fun in PVP though.
I think you covered some good points, just wish you’d have pointed out more how cat dps far exceeded most people’s expectations as it’s been holding the #3 dps spot up until AQ.
Apparent sure if there arent fury warriors, rogues, mages, warlocks in raid they are top 3 dps after a tank and wanding healers🤣
Murphy classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1002/#region=2&aggregate=amount&dataset=90 last two weeks, 90th percentile onwards (to give a more accurate representation of players who are at least trying)
Please research next time and don’t embarrass yourself
Apparent yea, very funny
@@marsh5954 farming pummeler all day. Yay.
Murphy I mean I’m not even saying third is that important, because feral at #3 in terms of DPS is the same distance from balance which is absolutely at the bottom as they are to warriors at #1.
Warriors and rogues are in a league of their own for the entire game. Feral is the top of the rest of the plebs though, for now
I watched ur awesome videos and started my classic wow journey as a druid, intended to be a solo casual player, not join in any guild.
The leveling and early max lv dungeon experience was amazing, it's so easy to find a group since u can fulfill any role. it's also kind of painful since u need to compete against everyone else for all kinds of gear.
Then i met this only Chinese guild on my server, as a Chinese playing on a NA server, that means something. i joined them and became the first lv60 druid in the guild. everyone was so happy that they finally got a druid.
As the guild grows, we started our own MC raid. I did some MC pugs as a healer, but having only 2 warriors, my guild needs me to become a tank. Although i've been playing wow for 10 years, i never raided as a tank. It was really fun. Since druid tanks are easy to gear up, i performed really well, even better than the 2 warrior tanks. And it's easy for a bear to hit FR cap, so i solo tanked Rag easily with 315 FR and a huge health pull while the warrior tanks kept getting oneshot. the whole guild cheered me when we kill Rag the first time, it felt so good. And after our guild's first ony kill, the GM decided to give the first head to me as a thank for the Rag tanking, plus i'm a LW so i can make ony cloak after i get the head, and everyone agreed.
Then it came the finical problem, i don't really like any of the druid gold making methods. so when dire maul released, i played a warlock to do dme solo jump runs.
After farming MC for ages, raiding as a druid became more and more boring for me. because bear tanks don't have much gear to chase in MC, so u don't improve much compared with the warrior tanks, and u lose the motivation to do raid real fast cause u don't have anything to chase for. So when i gradually becoming the core member of the guild, i switched my main to a warrior, who has loads of items to chase for and scales way better.
Nowadays, my druid still maintains the tank-healer hybrid spec, i rarely play her, mainly using her to fulfill the missing roles in the alt raids. it's still fun, but the logs are so bad since my gear is still at MC stage and my spec is hybrid.
Overall, i love my druid, the gaming experience she brought to me is amazing.
Thank u for the awesome guides, they helped me a lot.
Great video. Would like to see something like this for each class. "What we were expecting vs what we got"
I main as the main-tank for my guild as a feral bear. Not something I anticipated doing from the start, but hell it's a blast, I've never had more fun in an MMO. My guild is super supportive, and I wish more guilds were of bear tanks, as I can easy out-threat warrior tanks and can hold my own mitigation-wise even without the ability to block of parry. I feel a lot of guilds are afraid or overly cautious to bringing along bear tanks, which I don't get. I also 100% agree with the power dropoff as your leveling, the 55-60 grind is real as a druid, even feral.
Playing a feral tank druid has been a lot more than I expected, I figured it'd work a lot worse than it did.
They can definitely compete with warrior threat by using MCP.
@Breetai Zentraedi manual crowd pummeler, the gnomeregan mace
@Breetai Zentraedi in tbc it only gives haste rating, so it wont scale as well for a lvl 70 as for a lvl 60
@Breetai Zentraedi In TBC you have "normal" tank gear on druid.
"Feral can't keep up with Fury threat?"... You're usually pretty spot on in your videos but that statement is SOOO wrong...lol #manualcrowdpummeler
Like, honestly. The reason I'm the MT in my guild is that I crush our dual wielding Fury Prot tanks on threat. The "main Warrior tank" in my guild needs to go full threat gear, dual wield (obviously) and DW + Reck to beat me on threat.
@@Daniel-so4fl 100% man... The dps request bear tank for most of the fights because they can actually go ham full time. When people see the TPS of a Bear with 16k armor and 12k up they become believers... Keep representing for the bears man!
Bears struggle to find top end (bwl) gear whereas war tanks don't.
Bears full gear bwl use up more mana for the healer than a deep prot warrior full gear bwl.
Bears cannot compete with Thunder Fury threat generation. Nobody can, not for long.
Bears cannot compete with fury/prot warriors threat when fighting Vaelastrasz.
Other than that, Bears are very good tanks.
@@julien5053 look at a TPS curve on Vael... If you have a manual crowd pummeler going... You absolutely can keep up with threat my good sir. With world buffs especially I'm at 38% crit right now... It's not an issue and I MT Vael every week
@@nalyd008 Maybe because you're focused on offense and not defense. A bit like fury/prot warrior.
Still I'm not sure that a fury/prot with an equivalent gear could not generate more threat on Vael. Anyway I would need to test it. And since I can't, because there is no bear focused on offense in our guild, I give you the benefit of the doubt.
Liked druid, loved game, hated what community turned game into.
What do you mean?
@@ricardoCODlandivar I think hes refering to people "optimizing the fun out of classic wow"
having the same feels - but I hate what blizz has done (layers and server pops) and hasn't done (late response to bots, automation, multiboxers, etc).
Totally. Wow is fantastic, the community on the other hand😅
I main a feral dps druid in classic. Everyone has been underestimating me and my class from the beginning. It has been fun being in the top 3 dps classes and managing to beat a few rogues and some not so good warriors.
PS: If you want to play a feral kitty in raids, do it. It has the most fun and interactive rotation in the game, your dps is actually really good if you know what you are doing and you will prove many people wrong. You don't have to spam frostbolt to be viable in this 15 year old game. Just play what you like and prove the doubters wrong.
Hell yeah. Did my first cat raid (bwl) couple days ago and always did 2/3rds or more dps of my guilds best dpsers (almost fully geared rogues missing an item or two)
Go for it for sure!
Other dps in your guild must be really bad
@@Immagonko look guys, we spotted the ignorant one :)
If only he knew the true power of a well played feral druid. Kinda sad that there will only be 1 spot per raid though
@@anasameer classic is unbalanced
Logs don't lie Sameer. Druid is ATLEAST 500 dps behind the top dps'rs and not even in the top 500 of all class logs for every boss in BWL.
Razorgore: Warrior: 2225. Top druid: 1387
Vael: Warrior 3031. Top druid : 1935
Broodlord: Warrior 1664. Top druid: 1004
Firemaw: Warrior: 1780. Top druid: 958
Ebon: Warrior: 1627. Top druid: 1055
Flamegor: Warrior: 1781. Top druid: 1145
Chrom: Mage: 2270. Top druid: 987
Nefarian: Warrior: 1563 - Top druid: 976
Might be very enjoyable but don't go around saying well played feral druids compete with the big boys. Your guilds warriors and rogues are poor and if they put in the effort you did, you wouldn't be in the top 10.
I have both a Druid and a Priest. Buffing on the Druid is SO much easier than buffing on a Priest. You can cast mark on 3 groups before you go out of mana. On my priest I have to drink after every group I fully buff. Mark itself is also super low to cast, you can single buff 5 or 6 players without going out of mana.
My gf picked hunter and druid for her first ever characters.. I told her about the glory days that will be her tbc experience, she's pretty hyped :D
@Use DuckDuckGo as long as you're having fun stick with retail
@Use DuckDuckGo Na it won't die, but it can be hard getting into it now
@Use DuckDuckGo Classic is a completely different game than Retail. I would definitely suggest you try it, you're already paying a subscription. Though, as a newer player, it might be something very unfamiliar to you and not at all fun.
Use DuckDuckGo stick to retail. Classics difficulty is piss easy. There’s about to be a lot of scarab lords coming like Tuesday. Over hyped dog shit.
@Use DuckDuckGo Depends on what you're looking for in an MMO. Each version of the game has its own many different flaws and different strengths. They are also both very alien games from each other. I can definitely recommend classic (As I have played it almost every day since it released), but if you are having fun with retail then you'll do fine sticking with it and a new expansion is coming soon.
"Cannot compete with the amount of threat that fury tanks can put out"? Well excuuuse me but the only time a "fury tank" can compete with my threat is when he is using both Death Wish and Recklessness. Druid tanks have the same base multiplier as Warriors which is 1.495 when talented but druids also get that combined with another multiplier (1.75) on Maul and Swipe which makes them actually generate threat at 2.61 times the amount of damage they put out. This is of course to compensate for having less damage than a warrior but combine that with a Manual Crowd Pummeler and virtually no warrior can get close to your threat in similar gear without using their 30 minute cooldown.
Yeah skarm puts out great tank videos. Fury prot and bear put out the same threat
Who compares fury spec to feral tanks... really. Its mainly prot specced tanks you compete against and i can outthreat them every day of the week without even trying.
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Yeah i dont like videos that are bias or uninformative. Videos like this are the reason people have a misconception that some classes are terrible. I havent had on fury tank keep up with bear threat unless they pop cooldowns and when they do they risk dying and sometimes get one shotted. And to be honest, with so much armor and health, i have never needed to pot or was close to dying unless my healers werent paying attention. The only true bs is farming pummelers. Cat form is ass and situational and healing and battel rez has its place. 99% of guilds arent speed running or requiring buff cap so stop making it seems as though buff cap is an issue. This video already had an agenda before it even started. And for you pvpers, if you come across a good druid they are hard to kill and will kite the fk out of you. So if youre looking to play druid you always have a place anywhere you go. You just have to felxible which is why you picked druid in the first place.
@@edwinrivas4541 cat form is not ass. They have really good single target dps. Some of my first naxx raids Cat is #1. They could be quite possibly the best dps for first week naxx because all their BIS gear is AQ
This is a perfect video! I literally just made a druid yesterday and been thinking what spec and if its worth it. Haha thanks for this vid
Ehhh it is not exactly perfect. He has such a low understanding of the druid somehow... feral tanks are fucking amazing first off. Feral dps when power shifting is very viable, fun, engaging and has a melee crit buff which every warrior wants. And ignite mages want a boomie in their group always. Druid is a good pick though! Play what ever roll you want! You can make it work
Druid is basically exactly what I expected, and I'm a big fan. I've played Druid since TBC. Resto until late wrath, then feral ever since. In classic I've been playing feral dps and I enjoy it a lot. I just hate the player psychology around it; how everyone shits on it and doesn't take you seriously. What people don't seem to understand is this game isn't so hard that we all need to be min-maxing rogues to clear raids. You can take "meme" specs and do just fine.
I'm casually leveling my druid atm solely for TBC. They are literal gods during the entirety of TBC, can't wait!
They're gods if you're good and are capable of using 50 different macros. They're still broken if you're bad player also.
@@plasticbudgie I'm not sure about how it was 13 years ago, but I've been playing TBC private servers for years and you don't need druid specific macros (cancelform etc) anymore. It's built-in the game. Ofc you still need regular macros, but so does any other class.
@@zyyzzbrah When i refer to Druids being gods, It's generally accept they're gods within Arena, and Gods at Flag Running in WSG.
Generaly the tier list.
S-Tier: Resto Druid - Rogue
A TIer: Warlock, Mage, Disc Priest ( Hunter with the right Comp I.E Disc Hunter Drain 2's )
Just an example really, where as Druids in 3's have to have an insane amount of Macros. but Resto is still pretty much smash your face against the keyboard and pretend you're actually good at the game in BGs in TBC.
I'd argue with Feral is Near beyond OP like ShS rogues. Their weakness being restealthing and Mana Issues and not resseting a fight is fixed with. open up with GREAT burst and bleeds, Cyclone Heal to full Restealth Repeat. I'd argue a Top rated Feral should beat most classes 1v1 in TBC. Other than Disc Priest which is easily the best 1v1 class in the game in duel scenarios.
oh yeah Warrior and Healer is just Derp... Charge Smash free kills just faceroll.
Warrior without healer is sooo bad its funny, worse than Vanilla.
That's my experience with Private servers and Past knowledge of the days.
Excellent video!
Watched both end commercials through for you, daddy Wille! Good stuff! Keep going :)
I think you accurately covered the initial feeling of druids in classic, but as you said the fun is in mastering the class. There is so much utility built into the class for both PVE and PVP that make it the most interesting class to consistently play with in my opinion. The ability to melee DPS, tank, heal, ranged DPS, or just play as a full utility/mobility character make finding the best use of your GCD's a challenge that i don't think another class can rival.
I think the draw for playing druids in classic is finding the holes in your groups' playstyle and filling your role within it with one class, rather than filling a predetermined slot. Securing the last 10% performance difference between the best mage and a good mage doesn't have the same satisfaction as the best druid and an good druid, at least to me.
I like it. A sort of reassessment of how we viewed these classes before classic came out vs now.
I love this idea for a series. Also as a druid main, thanks!
As a full bis Moonkin I am upset with this video. Bear tanks Are incredible and have many places where they beat warriors in raids also generate tons of threat for MCP usages. warriors compete better at the 0.3% of top players because of high threat high dps and huge cooldowns for speedy content. Feral cats are not rogues but compete highly in the dps Charts with power shift MCP Also being able to mix into bear talents to ensure you have a 4/5/6th off tank for some trash / boss fights. Healers have insane utility and clearly top tier for many buffs / utility tools they bring (which is a healers job, Heal and utility) Also Imagine a priests being nice and not asking for innvervate after max rank spamming. They also are the reason you got rank 14 in bgs when spamming Wsg. Moonkins might not be the best dps but bring extra dps to your bis casters (fire mages op x4 with 3% crit and a rebirth for your top warrior who over aggro-ed YET again) math works out as 400dps non buffed. 50+ more dps per mage (not including fire) FF increases to ALL melee raid memebers and a rebirth to your 600 dps warrior. Math works out to huge numbers with WBuffs included. ALSO GOOD MOONKINS DONT OOM. Having almost infinite mana supply with rank 1 starfire having a 100% spell power scale to it for 80 odd mana small regen but when you include worldbuffs and consumes you should almost NEVER oom. The dance is bis for all content, You wipe /Dance and you boost your raids moral back to 99% and it'll get the boss down. Also It still competes in dance competitions today being top 3 dances for 15 years straight. Plus in theory we can get 20k armour as moonkin in naxx bis whilst still popping barkskin 79% physical reduction + another 20% more reduction to that. you want mitigation. We are literal gods to physical mitigation.I Did enjoyed the video, keep up the content -Flumpstick Out
What?
@@killerofgems5923 dunno
@@killerofgems5923 Probably Malding
I levelled as Resto and I still play my main regularly in raids and now in Silithus. It's about what I expected coming from retail, but I didn't expect it to be so perfect for me. Yes, your heals are not as beefy as a priest's, but you more than make up for it with the extra versatility in PvP and in raids.
It's not the most efficient, but I'm currently levelling another druid as balance because disintegrating gnomes with Starfire crits is just too much fun.
Did you manage to get to 60 as balance? In going to try it
@@nexya26 can be a bit tough but I'm sure it's doable. You might want to stock up on a lot of water and mana pots though, you'll he going oom very often. The most optimal way to level is in cat form ofc and keep in mind that as a caster you don't have a lot of spells.
@@kenny42069 I have got a balance druid to level 22, it's fine at lower levels but can see it getting harder
One point you forgot to mention is how much easier it is to get into groups as a druid. With 0/30/21 you can easily switch between being a healer or a tank in any dungeon, which was a huge plus when I was first trying to get gear.
From my own experience being specced mostly into feral dps/tank hybrid(for leveling) with some points in resto,i found you can still heal the dungeon even if you have very little points in resto!
I simply cannot believe that you've only ever healed a bear once. They are in most guilds, some as offspec tanks and some as main tanks. They do both roles well. And they bring a lot to the table. Also that "druids are only healers in raids" thing completely flipped on its head in classic. No guild I come across thinks like that. Certainly boomkins and cats are phased out as being suboptimal in raids, but I don't hear that about bear tanks.
My main has been a druid since I started near the end if BC. I revived her in Classic and did not regret it. Was Boomkin in retail but went feral dps with my hubby trying the class as healer. We had a blast.
4 piece PvP set bonus actually increases your travel form movement speed to 161% of base - the 15% speed modifier in forms is applied on top of existing movement speed buffs!
Great video format mate!
Tank druid def over preforming from what i was expecting going into classic. I'd say they are pretty well equal to warriors on fights that don't rely on cheese mechanics (Fear, Popping sand on Chrom)
Not sure if anyone has said this but the PVP set bonus makes your travel form 64% travel speed not 55%.
Leveled both a Tauren and a Night Elf, playing the Tauren most of the time. Still playing my druid that I mained back in vanilla in BFA to this day. Druids ftw!
Oooh man I've never been this early to a Will E video.
Druid has been pretty fun for me. Basically what I expected...but I'm in a nice guild where I am the official off-tank which is really cool. I can see how some druids who aren't resto might struggle to have fun if they can't find a niche in a guild who will use them.
PvP was really fun prior to AB coming out, as we were really desirable and to a degree my DMs still explode on WSG weekends. I hit my rank though so I pretty much rarely PvP unless begged anymore.
The pummeler farm is absolutely as bad as advertised though, that's for sure. I do it because I have to but I'm sick of it, and I'll be glad to be done with it in TBC. It's not that it's hard, I just hate the nagging obligation to do it constantly.
The MCP farm is the single reason I'm not attempting to raid on my druid. She's expressly for farming and to fill a tank/heal spot on guild dungeons as needed. So I'm a very hodge-podge spec (not any official one for sure) so that I can can have a little booted heals and a little boosted armor. I swap the gear and I'm good to go for either.
You don't even need a niche guild. You can be in a top tier guild using a feral OT.
Lol.. Crowd Pummler doesn’t go away in TBC, it’s still BIS hahah. Have fun m8!
@@The0nlyy False. In TBC the MCP effect is changed from 3 charges to a permanent clickable proc with a 1 hour cooldown. That being the case, the MCP farm is effectively over once TBC item changes occur.
@@FIASCOGAMING I didn't say you needed a "niche guild". I said you have to find a nice guild that lets you play in your niche due to Resto being the most common expectation, and Wars being the defacto go-to.
tl;dr for boomkin leveling: Going oom is part of your rotation. You burn down 1-2 mobs at super high speeds, then swap to cat form for the next 3. By the time you need to pop out to heal, you'll have a good 50+% of your mana back with even low spirit gear. It's about rotating through your forms. It's more of a limitation than a conscious design choice, but does sell the theme of the class more.
Been running resto since I hit 60, and I love it. One of the best world PvP healers available!
Main a mage, it's fun got my epic tiger mount on him. Now have my druid to lvl 37 and having a blast. Class is just fun because you can do everything and I enjoy healing
11:16, you know you played far too many night elf characters when, even tho you last played at the end of Wotlk, remember exactly that along that river is a rare mob spawn, one of those fungal dudes but IIRC its a dark green /teal-ish one.
Once you get used to the mobility and versatility druids have in Classic it's really hard to stick with anything else. Other classes always seem to be lacking in some aspect, but my druid can do anything!
In my raid team one of the main tanks is a bear, and he gets insane amounts of threat. That isn't to say that the player probably wouldn't do even better on a warrior, but if the player can make it work the bear does have a lot of advantages to offer.
I love the outro
Please continue this series! If you are concerned about the viewership this video got then try a popular class like Warrior or Mage before you cancel this series... I have been waiting for this series to continue!
Was lucky enough to get into a guild that let me go full feral DPS
and with a bit of effort put into it i can keep up with the rouges and warriors on most boss fights
its also very easy to swap some gear around and go bearform and become a offtank
there's only a few bosses i have issues with when it comes to tanking due to being a bit squishy
all in all feral DPS is a very good spec if you put a lot of work and effort into it
This is quite under-rated; because a good druid off-tank is basically like having an extra DPS for fights where you don't need an off-tank. They can pull so much weight for a raid comp and there's nothing quite like a bear tank with DR cap and a disgusting amount of HP.
Just wanted to correct you regarding drinking pots in bear form:
you CAN drink pots with macro and go back to bear via macro and cause of batching there is zero risk to get hit in the meanwhile.
Yup. I macro'd healthstones, all potions and whipper root tubers, as well as innervate and battle res. While I don't do the battle res while tanking, I can even innervate when the boss isn't hitting me with a flurry.
I love druids in my guild. We've got a boomkin who might be the most obsessive gear grinder I've ever seen. My guild found him in org dancing next to the AH already had full BIS including the cap of the scarlet savant, toep, and world boss gear. His faster to the taunt then almost any dps warrior in the group and got a hand of rag made within days purely for the transmog. Next brings our third tank great gear saved us from a ton of wipes and one of the most dedicated raiders we have, just a flawless raider. I choose to main a lok in classic, but my alt has been way more fun. I've got full resto and tank sets had a blast killing heal charts then swaping to MT 20 mains groups and im ready to go for that AQ 20 loot. We aren't the top class but come TBC and dual speccing in WOTLK. F jack of all trades I'm going to keep building towards that three way threat we once were.
I started off as a Warlock with Classic but I have now switched full time to Feral Druid Tank. I have been able to Main Tank all of MC/ZG/Ony and OT BWL, definitely loving the class so.
I think feral tanks were sold a bit short here. For single target threat, bears are absolute monsters with MCP. The item is essentially doubling the threat generation, and they have great resistances / gear optimization for any fire-damage boss (minus Nef on Druid call). This also carries over well to nature res and frost res gear in later phase raids. Cat dps also has potential to be #3 behind warriors and rogues if the effort is put in; not just “okay” dps. They also might serve a niche in battlegrounds as a flag carrier or node defender, but a good Druid is nearly unkillable. I think classic players really hammered it home that druids are better overall performers than previously thought.
one minute into this video, "DRUID IS NOT A HARDCORE CLASS"
dude.....they actually produce more threat than a warrior.....
i have over 100 days on just my druid in classic
im seriously offended by you saying that
The infomartion you posted is beyond shrewed
also the more i watched this the more inexperienced you seemed with the class
classic andy
Yeah also tanking as a druid and prepping for AQ40, over 12k hp 12k armour, one pummler and I enable all the meta following warriors and rogues to go biiiig dck dps without a worry on threat, love it :)
his information is skewed? where are you getting the information that they produce more threat than a warrior? you've just played with some shit warriors mate. please head to warcraft logs and compare 99 parsing warrior tanks to druids. compare 99 parsing fury warriors to druids. you cant hold agro against anything popping reck, or in a prolonged execute phase (vael). get a grip m8
@@Whitt09 maybe you should look at threat charts and not dps idiot...i will shoot past any warrior on Whitemane when i have my Mcp on.....oh and im not sacrificing defense for it either c:
@@bartfelix2949 no, you are playing with crappy warriors. This case should never happen.
Never thought I’d put my hands on this class and now its my main. Rerolled from a holy pally and my god what a difference in flavour and playstyle. I recommend druid to anyone who’s been thinking of rerolling due to their current gameplay being bland as hell. Both as healer in raids and pvp (fc or healer) druid is so incredibly fun.
Really excited for more of these videos 👀
Our guild has two druids in our main raid group: myself (fully geared resto druid minus one ring - I need a cauterizing band to compliment my elementium band) and our feral offtank (fully geared with accuria, DFT, world-dragon leggings, etc.) and we've thrived. I think the main thing is ensuring that the raid group is maximizing the best components of the druid kits to their abilities. It's not so much about the jack of all trades, master of none belief but more along "how do we ensure their strengths shine through?"
The subject of HOT usage is valid, but I do feel like the buff cap culture being a concern isn't completely true. The other driving force in the validity of HOTs in raid comes down to mana efficiency. If you're a guild still trying to progress properly, or streamlining your clears you're not going to want to cast hots purely out of mana cost. Healing Touch (rank four) still is the top healing spell from pure healing output to mana efficiency for druids. You can downrank further at the 1098 +healing break point, but most druids aren't touching that until deep into P5 with AQ40 gear.
If you're speed clearing and have a druid then using Regrowth is the optimal means. Otherwise it comes down to raid comp too; with our guild we carry five shamans and a few priests to round out our healing core. Shamans' chain healing does subdue a lot of HOT value too and that needs to be factored in (especially for late P4 guilds with success). When it comes to AQ40 progression, I suspect the more average or slightly above-average guilds see more optimal HOT usage especially on Huhu where raid damage in enrage phase becomes a concern.
Circling back on our druid tank: He's arguably one of the best on Bigglesworth in my opinion and we rewarded because of it. The threat output when compared to our two thunderfury tanks is obviously night and day in favor of the warriors. We still let him do two major BWL fights (Broodlord and Firemaw) and he uses a pummeler on those. He's also done Chrommagus using three full pummeler charges and his threat lead on the other tanks AND DPS was astonishing. However that's just it: gearing + pummeler farming are required to be at his level of performance.
All of that is to say that if you're becoming a feral tank or you have one that wants to exceed perceived expectations/capability then you have to have to funnel some gear as well as farm and be buffed. If you get that point and have the solid mechanics down, along with synergy with your raid members you're poised to succeed. This isn't even mentioning AQ40 loot for feral druids which helps them ascend to another level. We're actively looking at data and excited at the possibilities of our feral tank in this because we think he can be extremely viable on a few high-damage fights.
I've been playing a feral tank, and there are a few nice perks. Firstly, I've tanked every boss in the game through BWL. There are a number of nice perks the class has, one of which is the buff cap. Druids have less innate buffs than warriors. Warriors have to stop getting buffs at around 22 to 24 buffs, where druids can get 26. We don't have those innate buffs that warriors get. This means we can get more consumes. I subtle, but nice perk.
Farming fel wood early into classic with insect swarm and tons of stam from raid gear was amazing. Nobody could mess with you.
It was so fun getting ambushed by rogues in WPL/EPL while in full mitigation gear and bear talents :D fearie fire and you chase that silly gnome down ! I could legit 1v1 in open world - mages, locks (run them OOM), warriors, rogues (thanks to feral tank gear), hunters (deadzone abuse and CC break) it was so much fun
I will let you know, our Oomkin is very usefull in raids. Everytime there is a job that would take up a dps, we can put him on it. He makes the BWL dragon packs after Vael very convinient AND having someone who got time to work on a battle res is also always wellcome, also innevate. Besides... he is perfect as a reference point for range dps and healers. Everybody can understand the "stack up on the OWL" command. works like a charm
Spot on, was resto druid for hardcore raid guild got all T1 and was a powerhouse in MC topping charts. Did well in BWL to start and was in full T3 with rejuv gem in just 3 weeks/raids of its open and then it went downhill. Was not allowed to cast HoT due to buff limit and ended up middle of pact at best.
It became quite clear that a priest or shaman would be better to bring and allow the solo feral off tank to buff MoTW.
I love druids and for the most part consider them my favorite class for all of WoW but in classic...any other class just scales far better beyond MC.
You should do a video on how Druids are in TBC, would love to get informed on the finer details of how they improve
Will E. Did you forget bears could use MCP? They are close to armor cap buffed, have 10k+ health (without a flask) and pumping as much threat as a fury prot (even those with tf).. there are drawbacks (ie last stand, no proper shieldwall etc), but for the most part it's not an issue or managable. But overall, they are very very strong.
I feel like you did feral druids dirty here
I'm one of the main tanks in my guild (we have multiple raid groups) and when I pop pummeler, a warrior needs to pop reck/death wish with thunderfury to have a chance at keeping up, and they'll be taking a lot more damage. I also hit armor cap and over 10k HP even without flask while doing so
I think one of the strongest parts about druid tanks is that in order for warriors to build a ton of threat, they must drop a ton of their mitigation. druids lose no mitigation, even in max threat gear, apart from maybe a few percent dodge or a hundred HP. some fights are harder for druids than warriors, though I've successfully tanked nefarian multiple times (I'm even the main nefarian tank in our raid group). I've also main tanked chromaggus (I don't know what you mean by consume macros being unreliable, I have never ever died while popping sand or stoneshields)
now with phase 5, we're getting a 300 attack power weapon (for reference, this is literally equivalent to a warrior having *two crusader buffs* on *permanently*, and we're getting an idol that lets us swipe/maul spam without ever going out of rage ever. while it's true we lack some utility in certain fights compared to warriors, especially huge cooldowns like shield wall or engineering, druids are absolute beasts who can handle any boss you throw at them, and do a better job than 90% of warriors
we also have a cat DPS in the raid group who consistently sits in the top DPS. rarely absolute #1, though it happens sometimes on some fights, and they are always beating several of the warriors/rogues
the video felt a lot like it was based more on truisms and what "everyone knows" about ferals in raids than it was about actual experience with the class
I can relate to your comment, Feral tanks are really strong at the moment. The author clearly has no idea about what he is saying.
-and we're getting an idol that lets us swipe/maul
this in phase 6
I dont disagree with you BWL give bear the push they need to be more than viable.
I got my biss all phase last night the vanguard boots from aq 20
I play feral dps. I twinked lv 59 for a all phase 1 2 and 3 and i was overpowering rogue very easily. I was killing most healer in 2 global. The only twink that felt stronger was the warrior with the lionheart helm. Now in AQ i cannot wait to see how powerful i will be. I 2 shot a rogue with Windseeker sword last night. Let me tell you: It felt pretty good.
I blame gear from phase and 2 and 3 for the meta-narrative being feral do not scale. Remove the rogue tier set and remove core hound toots now were is the meta
@@crocopde I literally have both feral idols in my inventory, they were released early
@@sara-hc7wb your right 2% drop chance this is dedication right here .
Shamys, I've leveled and healed as a shamy and can say ez leveling with multi pulls being manageable no mana problems with leveling eather, for end game I've done one BWL, and quight a number of MCs and ZGs, both cases totems and chain heal being great to us, not many mana problems once you get some of those purples but only after that, get to have some fun rolls with tanks and the healing is relaxing with just chain heal and some totems to keep up, totem picking and totem twisting ended up being some of my favorite parts of healing, tho I will say making gold outside of professions is posably the slowest, lastly, gear was fun to get, out of a mags, Druid, and shamy the shamy gear was what I was the most exited about, but this is from just a healers prospective, I've seen three shame tanks throw out the hole game so far and they can tank leveling dongens pretty well, mana problems but add control surprisingly good, the one max level tank I saw was a main tank for a guild that had BWL on farm from the third week and he said it was good enough with the giuld, they weren't a racing guild but they still had good progression and such, lastly my Gould had two meele shamens, they not the greatest to be honest, still great people to talk to but I digress, lastl lastly I gess is pop, I dident do much but when in open world you can keep your self up with an instep heal and thos windfury procs. Love the vids and keep it up, also, best of luck to you all out there with that loot, Zug Zug for the win
I have both a feral and a resto druid. I can easily keep up and beat everyone else on the healing meters as the general quality of healers seems to be fairly low. However on certain bosses where sniping is the only way to get heals in, like ebonroc and flamegor, you will be at the bottom. Feral cat requires a lot of effort and skill. It can perform really well if you're rank 13 (there isn't really any items available to feral until AQ). Bear is a beast. If you're using mcps, which you should be, you will take off as a rocket in terms of threat. Leveling as cat feels alright at the beginning of the game but don't really scale well on gear so you can't just slap on a stupidly strong weapon and smash through content like all other melee can. You can level as boomkin, but you need to cast Starfire and blue wrath. It can be really good as you have a stupid amount of armour in boomkin form. Cat doesn't take off at 20, it takes off at 40 as you get access to wolfhead helm for proper powershifting.
I love resto Druid so much
This was VERY spot on imo. Can't wait for priest and hunter :-)
8:07
to be fair, Tubby Fur is a perfect way to describe moonkins. 😄
Great idea for content. Do paladin next please :D. I play ret and against all the memes and in game hate I love the class. There is something so satisfying about getting your 5 hit combo in
You mean *autoattack simulator: the class*
@@dafire9634 Your point being? If people didn't have fun with the class no one would play it.
Bears can compete with fury warriors for threat if they use MCP. Maybe not quiet as good as a thunderfury warrior, but they can compete and if you're hit capped, that helps too
I come at it from the perspective of a two boxer. I run two accounts and play on a PC and a Laptop. I've tried different combos. My first two 60's are a Hunter/Priest team. Now I'm working on another team and Druid/Priest seem good. At first, I loved Cat Druid, but with no taunt, and no way to strike more than one mob at a time, it got too tedious by level 48, plus, very few dungeon groups will accept a cat druid as dps. However, I have seen a lot of Bear Druid Tanks in dungeon groups so I finally respected and went Bear. Loving it so far. Bear has a good taunt, has talents that give it more agro, and it can strike three mobs at once. Running the bear now, the healer priest rarely gets any agro at all.
I have both a feral with dft and a boomkin with 16% hit and tear and I love it. A bear with pummeler actually puts out more threat than warriors, sometimes even more than fury prots with TF.
A boomkin can keep up, but requires gear. It is all about how you manage threat and mana.
You are selling Bear tanks short, I am currently playing one and raiding with Thunderfury fury prots, and even when Bears are at their worst point relatively gear wise in pre AQ (LITERALLY WORST) I can generate nearly identical threat while being tankier. The only downside is the lack of utility. And our thunderfury tank has warlord gear on so he is no slouch either.
Leveled a Druid as feral went to resto for the gear, hated it leveled 30 more toons since then. I am now back to Druid. It just feels the best.
I played my main character as a druid a week after launch of vanilla and my memory was they were really weak (great healers though), it wasn't until i got mangle when the burning crusade came out that my druid started to perform pretty well as dps cat. As a NE druid in bgs i noticed i wouldn't get killed very often whether i was confused with a hunter pet (the lack of horns in cat form for a NE is a big bonus) or they thought druids were too weak to worry about, bgs after TBC were great for feral cat druids. Oh and don't forget about flight form 2 levels before anybody else could fly and it was cheap and if you got it you didn't have to train in flight, which was expensive. It seemed in TBC that blizzard was saying "hey all you druids out there thank's for sticking with the game even though we made your class way under powered for so long"
Using MCP as a bear tank can actually out TPS a warrior with thunderfury (atleast alliance side). I dunno if they could horde side with a shaman's windfury totem. I completely agree with what you said about healing them. As a holy paladin, when I see a bear tank in my group I know it's going to be an easy time.
bear form best form. spamming swipe feels so good after coming from a warior. cleave is next melee attack while swipe is instant. huge!
being your guild's go to feral tank with 11k+ armor and insane health pools is quite fun. there's definitely room for feral tanks especially on the mid size servers. maybe im just lucky but on smolderweb we have a decent community of feral tanks who know their shit. quite a few of us in various guilds, whitemane transfers mention how they're shocked how many more ferals there are on our server. i think there's a hidden beauty to the spec that few get to see in classic.
Back in original wow, I mained a resto-feral druid. I was fortunate enough to be in a top raiding guild that generally let players spec how they wanted if you could prove your worth! We even did world bosses which gave us access to some additional loot most players didn't have. We did PvP as well and I made Marshal but stopped there to keep my sanity. I had a set for every occasion. Bear, cat, healing, balance, pvp, fire, nature. Bags were always full and having engineering didn't help. It was definitely a challenge but having the ability to switch between a healer, tank, and dps was useful on many fights. I also had *a lot* more time back then! My alt was hunter but I made hunter my main this time around! I only have time to raid 2 nights/wk. now. Just wait until TBC. Then again, hunter was really solid in tbc too, much better than vanilla.
I love playing my druid. I'm bear specced. I've tanked ZG, AQ20, MC and Ony as MT, and AQ40 and BWL as OT (also tanking some bosses). That paired with bringing a CR and innervate, and having an int-set for certain fights (dispelling etc.), I really feel like druid is a very viable option.
Also, bear model is awesome. And bears do very good tps.
I played as a balance druid in vanilla as my first char... I remember not having enough gold to buy feral abilities.
Also, balance does haven't pushback mitigation in Barksin, as I recall. I remember being so happy when they patched that ability in.
I main a Bear tank, in a semi HC guild. Bears are not better or worse than warriors, just different. We have pros and cons vs warriors. Bears can balance threat and mitigation well. We don't have to gimp our mitigation to pump threat just throw on a MCP. Our guild warriors are quite good and pump quite hard, and I keep up reasonably comfortably. Our armor and health pool help smooth out the spikey damage a lot but a triple flurry crit is still sketchy. Gear wise AQ has helped HUGELY and keeps me competitive while tanking and OS dpsing. The biggest con is not being able to pot in form. This has left me vulnerable on more than one occasion. So in summery. We bring a different tank style to the table (big ol' lump of HP and armor and decent threat) we run 2 warrior and 1 bear and that feels right and gives us the option to put the best meat shield in front of the boss
No mention of MCP Bears?
I play Feral hybrid dps/tank and i love my toon. The Classic meta (warrior > druid) is mostly what is holding it back. There is finally Feral gear in AQ but i am afraid that after one year of stacking fury warriors that are now super geared and first priority on loots, most guild will never let a kittybear join with mostly blues.
I joined a guild with the intention to play shadow. Got benched from raids quite a bit early on so I did some PvP. Didn't quite enjoy shadow in BGs due to the amount of undead warriors around so I started leveling a druid.
One of the officers asked me what specc I intended to play at 60, balance I told him. Been raiding with my shadow priest ever since ;).
Spoiler: Druid is 60 now and I've been ranking a bit on it. Double druid/druide+rogue in AV is quite a bit of fun :D.
I started as a Tauren Druid on Nethergarde Keep EU when it launched.
My previous experience was playing a Tauren Hunter during Late Classic till WotLK days as a kid that had no clue what was going on.
I do not know why I picked Druid, but seemed fun at the time of choosing. As I was playing on my own, I went purely into feral main tanking and was very doable for leveling.
When I was leveling in Winterspring as a LVL 58, I was picked up by a guild when they noticed I was guildless ( Before that, I did not join any guild, considering I did not feel the need to join on )
Then when they invited me as a trial to their raids in Ony and MC, they quickly made it clear that they want me as a Restro druid.
Me being a newbie overall and not knowing what to expect, I agreed and became the main Restro Druid after the previous one left because of drama.
Even though I felt very decent at doing my part in raids, I did not enjoy doing any dungeons as a main healer.
So after that, I quit around January this year. Haven't gone back since.
If I were to go back, I would probably just chill around the map and not really focus on endgame anymore.
9:57 you totally missed the mark on the pvp bit. A skilled druid is a terror in BGs. They are fantastic at guarding a flag and infiltrating/capping especially if you send them with a rogue or time their opening with the arrival of another dps. If HoTs are getting dispelled the Druid can spam rank1s to oom the healer. No class really counters a good feral or resto Druid because of how effectively they change the meta in a fight by going cat, bear, or roots/wrath spam. And, I already said it but will say it again, they are top tier at guarding a peg. Almost unkillable one on one with moonfire to stop the cap. A cheeky druid will even use aquatic form in AB to kite away and back to a flag.
Ty for giving Druids respect on this one
I am so glad I chose druid wow classic. It is 100% the most fun class in the game. I've tried levelling alts but cant bc my druid was just so fun to level with all the forms and extra movement. At end game I've tanked, dpsed, and healed at the very top of my guild consistently getting 99s and averaging 95+ parses. Absolute brilliant class to play. Not to mention the world PvP which is so so so fun on a druid rogues get absolutely wrecked and have no idea what to do if they're fairie fired. mages polymorph to no avail. Warriors rooted the whole time. Warlocks are tough but usually go oom and its a long fight. DRUIDS ARE SO GOOD so glad I chose this class I'm in love with it
Vanilla Druid was remembered as the jack of all trades master of none. But I think we all underestimated the min max potential on a Druid specifically. I’ve seen druids topping overall dps in raids over and over again. Feral tanks, easily keeping agro on some of the hardest hitting bosses with greens on…. When a TF tank warrior would die repeatedly.. and needed to be replaced. And don’t even get me started on the resto druids. Clearly a master of all, lacking in none.
I love your vids your voice Is so calming can't wait for more
Hey Wille. Do you know why there are so many people playing vanilla and wotlk on private servers but not so many playing tbc? I always wondered why this is the case and I have a slight feeling that tbc will be much less succesful than classic was/is and that is not only because I hate tbc. Do you have any ideas or thoughts that can answer my question?
"Is it what it expected to be?"
i play a tauren warrior... and i've had nothing but a blast playing it and gets even more fun with engineering!
As a Resto Druid while looking for a dungeon group I was told more than once that Druids aren't real healers as they don't have a res without a cool down. Not what I was expecting to ever hear as a healer.
That's... rather stupid of them.
I mained a druid this time around because I wanted to main a druid in tbc again. Leveling starting out just didn't feel great but in the like 30-45 area it felt great as long as you never pulled 2 casters at once because that had a 100% chance to fail and you had basically zero ways to cc handle that pull. I did some raiding but felt pretty useless outside of val. I wasn't expecting much but was expecting more. With this bad impression I'm likely not playing tbc even know it was my main reason to playing druid. I think my memory is to clouded looking back on my favorite expansion.