If we go by your logic about Miles had better showing against Rhino than Peter. Then I can also bring Peter had better showing against Mister Negative in first game as compared to Miles. Miles won that fight extreme diff. Moreover Martin Li was not that strong in 2nd game, the devs confirmed it. He was feeling remorseful about his actions in fight whereas when he fought Peter, he was going to any length to destroy anyone coming in his way, because he was fuelled by anger and wanted to destroy Osborn and this is evident by Peter saying in a cutscene in PS4 game, his anger is fuelling his power. Therefore Peter defeated a more powerful Martin Li ( mid-high diff )without any invisibility and bio-venom with 14 broken bones,no food, water, and just defeated 4 villains in less than 24 hours. Can Miles replicate this feat? Whereas Miles who has additional invisibility and bio-venom, but still struggled to defeat a conflicted and weaker Martin Li. And Miles didn't have any broken bones. By this logic, Base Peter should be above Miles. When one has additional advantage above other, bro it's more of a power category. Peter without these additional powers defeated these villains so he should be ranked above Miles. This is obvious, if you still can't understand this and say this is wrong, then prove it.
Sure thing Miles was badly weakened and conflicted in his encounter with li 1. Simply by being near Mr Negative, his abilities were badly effected and mitigated both in the boss fight and when Li was captured by the hunters 2. Miles was conflicted with the desire to kill Li vs doing the right thing, unlike Peter who was 100% focused 3. Miles was fighting Li in the mind space just like Peter did which further conflicted him and exposed him to a larger amount of the negative energy Miles was badly affected in that fight yet still pulled out a victory The notion that he won without issue is moronic as his abilities were greatly affected compared to Peter who suffered no ill effects other than his previous injuries
Base Peter should be above Miles or should be relative to him. Rest is fax. Just Miles has bio-venom and invisibility, that doesn't make him about Peter. If it is, then Electro should be above Miles and Peter, since he is actually the most powerful of the sinister six who can destroy smokestack and can hit with thousands of volts of electricity. Base Peter and Miles are relative and rest is fax.
If miles had the experience of pete he would probably be the most powerful his powerset has so much flexibility! Hope he get the venom sword in the next game like the comics
I haven't seen any single impressive feat of Miles agility in this universe. Peter's feat in that mission with Agent Venom had such great impressive feat of agility. Peter is stronger, more blunt durable,is faster due to more refined techniques and experience,has more agility,is smarter,has more battle IQ and experience. Miles only has invisibility, orange and blue venom. Invisibility is useless even against Hunters, let alone Base Peter whose tech is far above Military. Orange venom is again useless because Peter has iron arms to counter that. Only blue venom would give trouble. But Peter has also endured Electro's attacks which are worse than Miles attacks, as evident by destroying a large smokestack. Peter has advantage of superior physicality, reflexes and skill along with 10 years of experience to defeat him.
@hitendhir9700 destroying a smoke stack means nothing when miles knocked out rhino with a orange venom punch! Pete hasn't shown any physically feat that miles can't do him pulling together two sections of a bridge is equal to anything Pete has down in the games! His attack power is above as well like when peter needed miles help with the propeller from the giant power miles stopped it with one punch! Or knocking kraven out before Pete can kill him! Miles was keeping up with a anti venom Pete and venom when he is just base miles is more powerful than base peter bro
Not only did Phins shield negate the R. Rhino fist, but knocked him a good distance back. That shield is rather powerful. Though one venom shock and it's useless. Also I'm confused at 8:22 . Heat I can understand because well, he blew stuff up headfirst. But resistant to electricity based attacks? Or is bio-electricity not the same? Also 14:35 Keep on cooking brotha! And honestly I feel that Miles could potentially use his wits and powers to strategic use to be a decent match to Kraven
Base Peter needs to be above Kraven. Kraven had an advantage in first fight. He always aims to kill, whereas Peter doesn't. Kraven is superhuman, but not like Peter Parker. Peter Parker should be above Miles too, he is more skilled, physically stronger, endured sinister six beating ( Miles hasn't replicate this feat ). This is the most impressive feat, I can bet even Kraven can't survive this. Plus Peter is physically more durable in blunt durability by feats,more refined speed and agility. I haven't seen any impressive feats of Miles agility. Peter is smarter. He should be above Miles. Lizard is above base Peter because Peter told MJ that he couldn't beat him without black suit, this also implies Miles couldn't even beat him. This also implies that Peter never mentioned he would need symbiote suit to beat Kraven, it was his addiction. I can bet that Peter would defeat Kraven by high diff( by holding back less against any other villain ). If regular Peter went up against Miles, he would certainly win more times than not because of not in conflicted state and clear minded. Only Symbiote, Anti-Venom,Connors, Venom should be above Base Peter in Marvel's Spider-Man 2. And yes one more thing, Base Peter is above Ock in PS4 game. He needed that suit to provide him some extra piercing durability. He needed that because he had 14 broken bones. Same day he fought Rhino and Scorpion, last night Vulture and Electro, and just before Martin Li. Let a healthy Peter in base go against Ock, we will see Ock getting his ass handed to him. This is actually the most impressive feat of Peter Parker outside 616. Moreover, Miles always relied on bioelectricity to defeat Rhino. Peter actually beat him by skill. He doesn't need to rely on invisibility and other Venom powers in first encounter to beat him. Moreover, Miles in 2nd fight defeat Rhino with the help of Tinkerer. This doesn't count in 1 on 1 fight. I can assure if Peter would be there, he would use his intellects and other things to a abuse weakness against Rhino. Miles has invisibility which is useless even against Hunters, let alone Base Peter. Peter now has to deal only with blue venom, because his arms are capable of absorbing orange venom as evident in the last section of Sandman's fight. All points are in favour of Base Peter. With due respect, your scaling is very wrong for some villains and especially Base Peter. My reply is already too long that's why I am not adding further to prove my point.
@@TheGamingRift11 Base Peter feats are way better than Miles and Kraven. I don't agree with your Base Peter Scaling. He and Miles should be in S tier. Moreover Rhino should be above Electro and Scorpion. Scorpion should only be above Vulture. And Electro should be above Ock. There is no way Ock would defeat Electro. Kraven defeated them by using equipment and studying them a lot. Give Peter some knowledge about Kraven and we will see who will come on top.
I think Kraven and Ock above base Peter is fair. Even if Peter was simply caught off guard in the first fight (which he certainly was) Kraven was still able to contend with Symbiote Peter when Symbiote Peter was at his most bloodlusted, and he was able to put up a better fight against Venom than base Peter did (even if Peter was probably exhausted). As for Ock, Peter straight up said he wasn't sure he could beat him, and he did lose their first serious encounter. Granted, Peter was injured and exhausted, but even then, when he built the Anti-Ock suit, he was getting beaten pretty hard. I'd also argue that Miles probably beats base Peter as well since he was able to fight off Symbiote Peter pretty well, but that's got so many technicalities to it that I don't have a solid opinion on it.
@@hitendhir9700base Peters feats are above Miles despite an inexperienced Miles overpowering Rhino (something Peter explicitly stated he couldn’t do), absorbing enough energy to destroy all of Harlem, and surging a fall from the Exosphere despite being severely weakened with broken bones then swinging of casually afterwards? This is some massive cope.
@@galientl4723Bro absorbing a damage and getting blunt damage both are different things. I still don't consider as impressive as Sinister Six beating. Though it was an inexperienced Miles Morales, but earlier Peter too beat Rhino without any bio venom and invisibility. It's just advantage that Miles has. Moreover Peter mid-high diff beat a stronger Martin Li whereas Miles fought a weaker and conflicted Martin Li and won that fight extreme diff. By this logic, Peter is just way better in utilising skill. When two characters have similar or relative powers, then a character who has more skill would win. Because orange venom is useless now because it would be countered by iron arms. Invisibility is useless because of spider sense. Peter just have to deal with blue venom, which he surely can when he has dealt with living bolt of energy known as Electro who is capable of destroying smokestack.
You were assuming a lot in this video which is obviously not allowed lol just kidding. Great video man, had a lot of really good points that I had forgotten about and agree with all these takes!
Mu theory is that electro is not dead and the only way to achieve his objective to be pure energy was to lose his body and this happen in SM 2, and i think he could return.
Miles shouldn't be stronger than Base Peter. Base Peter is almost equal or slightly higher than Miles. Miles is just powerful just using venom but that can be countered by Spider sense and iron arms. Miles feats cannot surpasses Peter's.
@@TheGamingRift11 But Miles couldn't keep up or perform better against Martin Li as compared to Peter's showing. So now anyone would say he was at disadvantage due to interfering of his powers. So as Peter was at disadvantage with Sandman and Rhino. Plus when Peter couldn't keep up with his villains. Base Peter and Miles didn't get a chance to defeat Kraven.
@@hitendhir9700 yeah cause miles was weakened and conflicted against li Peter was indeed at a disadvantage compared to miles against rhino and sandman, that goes without saying I’m really not understanding your point 🤷♂️
First I think Peter should be higher then miles because black suit spider man was holding back because Peter was holding back and Peter has more xp and like you said he has those new gadgets
I say this list is pretty objective overall good job not problems here I am just going to say this to some people who disagree about base peter placement like the video said Kraven because of his prep and knowledge could beat anyone below him as evidence throughout the game And I know this isn’t the comics or like any other adaptations of kraven and Spider-Man But my whole thing is base peter should be capable of beating kraven in a head in fight Peter knows kraven extensively and it being in sight As it’s a thing where I can make the argument is Peter preps to fight anyone on this list he also could beat kraven or any foe on the list depending on his preparation(as he is capable) And keep in mind kraven jn the comics is depicted either at Spider-Man’s level or above him given his positions in the comics Even against Kaine Parker a clone of Peter who is stronger and faster admits kraven is very tuff and not easy to put down in a casual state for Kaine as he wasn’t going all out in kraven(as he assumed either peter was weak to lose to kraven but it terms out kraven is just a beast) Yet Peter in the comics can and has beat kraven many times but only if he preps for him and outsmarts him when he is in his normal moral state but the majority of his victories against kraven is to become the hunter outsmarting prepping and is almost willing to kill with no reservations on holding back Its just a case that base peter might not be the most powerful character here But give him time to access his opponents and counter accordingly knowing what he is dealing with I argue he can beat kraven and maybe miles prepping for both accordingly And best people he considers physically superior to him more times then not As peter like he says “likes to fight smarter not harder” given while he does hold back a lot prefers to outsmart then brute force his way to victory As in most cases he would kill his villains if he did Also in terms of stats in relative terms Peter should be able to tank miles bio electric powers given sandman punching Peter exerts, enough force to destroy a small town And miles best feat if his bio electricity is multi city block level given its effects on sandman(which his Harlem feat being large town to small city level even then sandman is town level at a minimum and peter can contend with sandman attacks and even tries to attack sandman many times implying he knows he can hurt him or stagger him) Basically even if miles is objectively more powerful peter has demonstrated the ability to take in just as amount of force and likely could exert it if he actually did go all out Im not being a peter fan boy I’m just trying to tell people whether they agree or disagree with the notion of Peter being below or above people at base in the verse I say a base Peter who preps and knows what he is dealing with would be above kraven on this list and could beat people higher then him That’s just going off of how the characters in almost every other adaptation portrays them And the fact it’s common sense peter in this game was supposed to use the symboye but it’s not like he is irrelevant to higher tiers on this list or couldn’t beat them without it Even in concept art and promotional material by insomainc depict base Peter being able to fight kraven and venom in a fight Even though it’s not in the game it’s still relevant to what insomniac view for Spider-Man In which at base he still be no match for venom but can at least contend with him And against kraven you can see peter fighting him and kraven’s hunters along with miles Its not like they see Peter as weaker or being incapable In fact in scripted scipts for Spider-Man 2 it was said in base before he gets anti venom could contend with even miles in a fight(it was in leaks via the hack in December) Not to mention in the comics he goes on multiverse adventures with comic Spider-Men superior and 616 peter seen as peer to both of them respectly So im sure Peter by insomainc is actually very strong to their point of view it’s just they rather give us a compelling story where he struggles then one where he beats everyone To that I say let them cook and maybe we will get something in the game where base peter truly shines
Bro I agree in what you are saying but my brother in Christ please make your comments shorter and stop spacing them out. Obviously insomniac peter with prep time would win, hell kraven in the game uses prep time against scorpion, sandman, vulture, symbiote spider man and electro maybe even other superheroes or supervillains in his past.
Most people on this list with prep and knowledge of a opponent can win! Plus in the comics spiderman has always been stronger than kraven his skill and prep is what makes him dangerous! In this verse kraven is clearly stronger ! Being able to tank a bio electric because he took sandman punch makes no sense it doesn't have the same effect at all
Exactly Base Peter is more stronger, durable and faster than Miles and Kraven. Only Connors, Venom, Symbiote and Anti-Venom Peter should be above Base Peter along with Sandman. The scaling in this video is actually wrong about Base Peter and even some villains. Scorpion should be below Shocker, Rhino, Electro etc. He should only be above Vulture. Electro should be above Ock. Base Peter should be above Ock in PS4. Ock was healthy, and his arms were properly functioning. Peter just defeated 5 villains with no food, water and just one night sleep along with 14 broken bones. Let a healthy Peter Parker go against Ock and he will beat him mid-high diff. Whereas in this video, he said that Ock one shots Martin Li, when he was almost defeated by Spider-Man. This scaling is very inaccurate regarding Base Peter.
@@Chaosedits_CH02Exactly Kraven can't put down Electro without prep time. This is like a plot armour saying that Batman would defeat Darkseid. Electro is the most powerful villain in PS4 game, should be ranked above Ock. Base Peter should be above Ock and Kraven. Kraven can only defeat Vulture,Shocker and Scorpion ( if he manages to avoid getting stabbed ) without PREPARATION TIME. He and his hunters must have utilised some kind of special armour to contend with Electro. Whereas Peter defeated them in 1v2, especially without Prep and 14 broken bones, with no food, water. Kraven is actually below Base Peter. If Base Peter actually intends to injure Kraven or by any means of putting him down, Kraven is done.
Couple of issues 1. No character had plot armour in this scenario 2. Promotional art isn’t canon to the final product as events can be changed 3. The SM2 game retcons comic crossovers insom spiderman has connecting him to the ITSV timeline rather than the main comics timeline
In My Opinion This Is Incorrect However I Respect Your Opinion And Agree With Some Of Them Also Can You Make Miles Vs Ps4 Villains Or Peter Vs Miles Morales Villains? Also I Agree Sandman And Venom Are The 2 Strongest
Im Using My Alternate Account But What I Disagree With Is Anti Ock Under Ock And Also I Think They Called Ock The Ultimate Villain Cause Hes The Final Boss In The Story, In Terms Of Power Hes Not Too Strong And I Think A Base Peter Not Holding Back As Much As He Did Would Clear Otto I Also Think That Base Peter If Not AtLeast Base Miles Is Above Kraven Also Think InexperiencedMiles Could Still Clear Peters Villains And Peter Would Also Clear Miles Villains But This Was Still A Good Video And I Could Slightly Agree With Ps4 Game/ Ps5 Game Peter Losing To Kraven And Last Thing I Disagree With Ps4 Game Peter Being Stronger Than Inexperienced Miles But Yeah Thats My Opinion
I Also Think Base Miles ( SpiderMan 2 ) Is Stronger Than The Lizard And Agent Venom In My Opinion Is Stronger Than Kraven And The Inexperienced Miles And Base Peter Are Above HammerHead Along With DocOck And Anti Ock
@@Ski11y331Base Peter should be above Miles or if not they should fall in same benchmark. Base Peter should be above Ock. Peter needed Sable to defeat Hammerhead. Cyborg Hammerhead should be above them. No, Miles cannot defeat Connors alone, when Symbiote Spidey struggled Miles doesn't stand a chance. Base Peter and Miles should be above Kraven.
Symbiote Spidey In My Opinion Is Only Slightly Above Miles, I Have Them In The Same Tier, I Still Think Base Miles > Base Peter And Base Mìles Is Stronger Than All The First Games Villains Except Maybe HammerHead
@@r.editzzzz probably D or low C….. at the end of the day he’s just a random guy with cool gadgets, nothing that Taskmasker or Sable couldn’t replicate, with Peter long since surpassing him
Love the nickname 😂 but thank you regardless…. Apparently he responded to one of my videos…. I dread to think what his audience had to suffer through 😂
I kinda don’t agree with your a list because miles had a better fight against Peter then kraven and also you disregarded his buff, also note that peters power is only mister negatives since he states that miles didn’t do anything
Miles was exploiting Pete’s weaknesses in that fight with Peter also becoming progressively more conflicted as the fight went on…. So no, Miles didn’t fight Symbiote Peter at his best Also what buff are you referring to? AV isn’t just Martin lis powers, it is a combination of Miles and Mr Negative as they both work together to neutralise the source at the end, and it’s stated on the suits bio that it was a team effort between the 2.
@@TheGamingRift11 his blue lighting made him able to teleport and he can take a lot more damage now plus the fact that he can fight venom he’s only below venom sandman and Peter and sandman also holding back because spider man was a kid in the pass, also yes it is a weakness but it isn’t that affective as it is in the comics, also miles only weaked it enough so Mr negative could take it over
@@ltsMotion yes that’s gameplay, and not canon 😂🤦♂️ Miles held his own against venom but was overpowered multiple times and would’ve died if Venom wasn’t holding back, so no he’s not on Venoms tier by any means The sandman holding back thing has no proof to it, so I’d disagree with that Bringing up the comics is irrelevant as things apply differently as this is a different adaptation of the characters in its own verse It’s irrelevant if Miles weakened it or not, the end result is AV is confirmed to be a combination of Negative/bioelectric energy 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 yes but I’m saying all the feats he shown pre buff he should only be weaker then Peter sandman and venom also I would say base venom is weaker then both before he got his hands on nulls power so post game miles should only be weaker then null venom anti venom Peter and sand man but close
@@TheGamingRift11 He should be. Miles is just powerful. So by your logic Electro is more powerful than Peter then he should be above them. Base Peter has better feats than Miles and don't bring Miles beating symbiote Peter. You are low balling Base Peter.
Well yeah? Electro has more raw power than base spiderman 🤷♂️ that shouldn’t be much of a surprise? Also what does electro even have to do with it?? Just cause 2 characters have similar abilities doesn’t mean they are the same 🤷♂️
You forgot to mention that MJ with her taser in the second game is literally god tier in terms of power.💀
She wasn’t in the second game you mean 3rd game
@@Tobiroxxon I was referring to the second mainline game (Aka Spider-Man 2). I wasn’t counting Spider-Man: Miles Morales because it was a spin-off.
@@PizzaMan879 oh sorry
@@Tobiroxxon It’s all good
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If we go by your logic about Miles had better showing against Rhino than Peter.
Then I can also bring Peter had better showing against Mister Negative in first game as compared to Miles.
Miles won that fight extreme diff. Moreover Martin Li was not that strong in 2nd game, the devs confirmed it.
He was feeling remorseful about his actions in fight whereas when he fought Peter, he was going to any length to destroy anyone coming in his way, because he was fuelled by anger and wanted to destroy Osborn and this is evident by Peter saying in a cutscene in PS4 game, his anger is fuelling his power.
Therefore Peter defeated a more powerful Martin Li ( mid-high diff )without any invisibility and bio-venom with 14 broken bones,no food, water, and just defeated 4 villains in less than 24 hours. Can Miles replicate this feat?
Whereas Miles who has additional invisibility and bio-venom, but still struggled to defeat a conflicted and weaker Martin Li. And Miles didn't have any broken bones.
By this logic, Base Peter should be above Miles.
When one has additional advantage above other, bro it's more of a power category.
Peter without these additional powers defeated these villains so he should be ranked above Miles.
This is obvious, if you still can't understand this and say this is wrong, then prove it.
Sure thing
Miles was badly weakened and conflicted in his encounter with li
1. Simply by being near Mr Negative, his abilities were badly effected and mitigated both in the boss fight and when Li was captured by the hunters
2. Miles was conflicted with the desire to kill Li vs doing the right thing, unlike Peter who was 100% focused
3. Miles was fighting Li in the mind space just like Peter did which further conflicted him and exposed him to a larger amount of the negative energy
Miles was badly affected in that fight yet still pulled out a victory
The notion that he won without issue is moronic as his abilities were greatly affected compared to Peter who suffered no ill effects other than his previous injuries
@@TheGamingRift11 Ok.
@@TheGamingRift11 Miles is still shown to be struggling against Li.
Awesome ranking, truly accurate.
Glad you think so! Any you disagree with
@@TheGamingRift11I disagree with the miles one because in Marvel's spider-man 2 he is way more powerful
@@TheGamingRift11 hmmm, I don't think so
Base Peter should be above Miles and Kraven.@@Shahriyararin63
Base Peter should be above Miles or should be relative to him.
Rest is fax.
Just Miles has bio-venom and invisibility, that doesn't make him about Peter.
If it is, then Electro should be above Miles and Peter, since he is actually the most powerful of the sinister six who can destroy smokestack and can hit with thousands of volts of electricity.
Base Peter and Miles are relative and rest is fax.
If miles had the experience of pete he would probably be the most powerful his powerset has so much flexibility! Hope he get the venom sword in the next game like the comics
I haven't seen any single impressive feat of Miles agility in this universe. Peter's feat in that mission with Agent Venom had such great impressive feat of agility.
Peter is stronger, more blunt durable,is faster due to more refined techniques and experience,has more agility,is smarter,has more battle IQ and experience.
Miles only has invisibility, orange and blue venom.
Invisibility is useless even against Hunters, let alone Base Peter whose tech is far above Military.
Orange venom is again useless because Peter has iron arms to counter that.
Only blue venom would give trouble. But Peter has also endured Electro's attacks which are worse than Miles attacks, as evident by destroying a large smokestack.
Peter has advantage of superior physicality, reflexes and skill along with 10 years of experience to defeat him.
Base Miles > Base Peter + Miles Attacks > Electros Attacks
@@Ski11y331 No
@hitendhir9700 destroying a smoke stack means nothing when miles knocked out rhino with a orange venom punch! Pete hasn't shown any physically feat that miles can't do him pulling together two sections of a bridge is equal to anything Pete has down in the games! His attack power is above as well like when peter needed miles help with the propeller from the giant power miles stopped it with one punch! Or knocking kraven out before Pete can kill him! Miles was keeping up with a anti venom Pete and venom when he is just base miles is more powerful than base peter bro
Damn. I'm happy to see someone agree with me that Sandman is the strongest character and that Olympus Hammerhead is super powerful.
I think Venom VS Sandman is such a close fight I’ll make a video on it someday
Amazing analysis
Why thank you!!! ⚡️
I really thought JJJ was a serious ranking 😂😂😂
Of course it’s serious!! 😇or is it?? 🤣
Good vid. Very unique but in a good way and you are underrated
Why thank you!!! Were there any that you disagreed with?
Not only did Phins shield negate the R. Rhino fist, but knocked him a good distance back. That shield is rather powerful. Though one venom shock and it's useless.
Also I'm confused at 8:22 . Heat I can understand because well, he blew stuff up headfirst. But resistant to electricity based attacks? Or is bio-electricity not the same?
Also 14:35 Keep on cooking brotha!
And honestly I feel that Miles could potentially use his wits and powers to strategic use to be a decent match to Kraven
I guess miles powers are so strong they bypass it 🤷♂️
@TheGamingRift11 Seems so. One punch can annihilate programmable matter but electric devices like fuse boxes just stun the assailants
Base Peter needs to be above Kraven. Kraven had an advantage in first fight. He always aims to kill, whereas Peter doesn't.
Kraven is superhuman, but not like Peter Parker.
Peter Parker should be above Miles too, he is more skilled, physically stronger, endured sinister six beating ( Miles hasn't replicate this feat ). This is the most impressive feat, I can bet even Kraven can't survive this.
Plus Peter is physically more durable in blunt durability by feats,more refined speed and agility. I haven't seen any impressive feats of Miles agility. Peter is smarter. He should be above Miles.
Lizard is above base Peter because Peter told MJ that he couldn't beat him without black suit, this also implies Miles couldn't even beat him.
This also implies that Peter never mentioned he would need symbiote suit to beat Kraven, it was his addiction. I can bet that Peter would defeat Kraven by high diff( by holding back less against any other villain ).
If regular Peter went up against Miles, he would certainly win more times than not because of not in conflicted state and clear minded.
Only Symbiote, Anti-Venom,Connors, Venom should be above Base Peter in Marvel's Spider-Man 2.
And yes one more thing, Base Peter is above Ock in PS4 game.
He needed that suit to provide him some extra piercing durability. He needed that because he had 14 broken bones. Same day he fought Rhino and Scorpion, last night Vulture and Electro, and just before Martin Li.
Let a healthy Peter in base go against Ock, we will see Ock getting his ass handed to him.
This is actually the most impressive feat of Peter Parker outside 616. Moreover, Miles always relied on bioelectricity to defeat Rhino. Peter actually beat him by skill. He doesn't need to rely on invisibility and other Venom powers in first encounter to beat him.
Moreover, Miles in 2nd fight defeat Rhino with the help of Tinkerer. This doesn't count in 1 on 1 fight.
I can assure if Peter would be there, he would use his intellects and other things to a abuse weakness against Rhino.
Miles has invisibility which is useless even against Hunters, let alone Base Peter. Peter now has to deal only with blue venom, because his arms are capable of absorbing orange venom as evident in the last section of Sandman's fight.
All points are in favour of Base Peter.
With due respect, your scaling is very wrong for some villains and especially Base Peter.
My reply is already too long that's why I am not adding further to prove my point.
Completely disagree. Base Peter isn’t among the top tiers of the verse
@@TheGamingRift11 Base Peter feats are way better than Miles and Kraven.
I don't agree with your Base Peter Scaling. He and Miles should be in S tier.
Moreover Rhino should be above Electro and Scorpion. Scorpion should only be above Vulture. And Electro should be above Ock. There is no way Ock would defeat Electro.
Kraven defeated them by using equipment and studying them a lot.
Give Peter some knowledge about Kraven and we will see who will come on top.
I think Kraven and Ock above base Peter is fair. Even if Peter was simply caught off guard in the first fight (which he certainly was) Kraven was still able to contend with Symbiote Peter when Symbiote Peter was at his most bloodlusted, and he was able to put up a better fight against Venom than base Peter did (even if Peter was probably exhausted).
As for Ock, Peter straight up said he wasn't sure he could beat him, and he did lose their first serious encounter. Granted, Peter was injured and exhausted, but even then, when he built the Anti-Ock suit, he was getting beaten pretty hard.
I'd also argue that Miles probably beats base Peter as well since he was able to fight off Symbiote Peter pretty well, but that's got so many technicalities to it that I don't have a solid opinion on it.
@@hitendhir9700base Peters feats are above Miles despite an inexperienced Miles overpowering Rhino (something Peter explicitly stated he couldn’t do), absorbing enough energy to destroy all of Harlem, and surging a fall from the Exosphere despite being severely weakened with broken bones then swinging of casually afterwards? This is some massive cope.
@@galientl4723Bro absorbing a damage and getting blunt damage both are different things. I still don't consider as impressive as Sinister Six beating.
Though it was an inexperienced Miles Morales, but earlier Peter too beat Rhino without any bio venom and invisibility.
It's just advantage that Miles has. Moreover Peter mid-high diff beat a stronger Martin Li whereas Miles fought a weaker and conflicted Martin Li and won that fight extreme diff.
By this logic, Peter is just way better in utilising skill.
When two characters have similar or relative powers, then a character who has more skill would win.
Because orange venom is useless now because it would be countered by iron arms. Invisibility is useless because of spider sense.
Peter just have to deal with blue venom, which he surely can when he has dealt with living bolt of energy known as Electro who is capable of destroying smokestack.
Bro mj can 1 shot hunters that give even peter and miles trouble😂😂 she op😂😂😂😂😂
She’s too strong for the list 😇
14:35 :
Kid named lacking spider-sense, reaction, durability & overly dependant on his gadgets :
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You were assuming a lot in this video which is obviously not allowed lol just kidding. Great video man, had a lot of really good points that I had forgotten about and agree with all these takes!
I appreciate that! Hope you enjoyed it
I am S++ tier. Anyways good video dude.
Sandman v venom. Come on insomniac make it happen
I’ll make it happen :)
Mu theory is that electro is not dead and the only way to achieve his objective to be pure energy was to lose his body and this happen in SM 2, and i think he could return.
thank you for explaining Miles is STRONGER than BASE Peter. People get that mixed up with symbiote Peter.
Yeah he is above base Peter…..not a huge surprise if you played the MM or SM2 game
Miles shouldn't be stronger than Base Peter. Base Peter is almost equal or slightly higher than Miles.
Miles is just powerful just using venom but that can be countered by Spider sense and iron arms. Miles feats cannot surpasses Peter's.
Miles keeps up with people who are confirmed to be stronger than Peter 🤷♂️ base Peter anyways…. Not surprising that he’d be stronger
@@TheGamingRift11 But Miles couldn't keep up or perform better against Martin Li as compared to Peter's showing.
So now anyone would say he was at disadvantage due to interfering of his powers.
So as Peter was at disadvantage with Sandman and Rhino.
Plus when Peter couldn't keep up with his villains.
Base Peter and Miles didn't get a chance to defeat Kraven.
@@hitendhir9700 yeah cause miles was weakened and conflicted against li
Peter was indeed at a disadvantage compared to miles against rhino and sandman, that goes without saying
I’m really not understanding your point 🤷♂️
I wanna see sandman vs venom now
Maybe you shall 😉
I swear Everytime I see these type of videos I keep thinking they'll have characters like Hailey in it
😅fairly certain I said JJJ solos
Miles is the most underrated here
He is most overrated. Base Peter Parker should be above Miles or relative to him.
First I think Peter should be higher then miles because black suit spider man was holding back because Peter was holding back and Peter has more xp and like you said he has those new gadgets
Exactly and that’s why BS Spiderman is ahead of miles
Black Suit Peter is above Miles in the vid, Base Peter isn’t.
Miles needs too be waaaaaayyy higher in my opinion
He’s in the S tier what do you mean? 😂
@TheGamingRift11 Oh remember you talking about Miels in the B teir for some reason, guess I skipped ahead without realizing or something my bad
I will be reacting to this vid soon
I say this list is pretty objective overall good job not problems here
I am just going to say this to some people who disagree about base peter placement
like the video said Kraven because of his prep and knowledge could beat anyone below him as evidence throughout the game
And I know this isn’t the comics or like any other adaptations of kraven and Spider-Man
But my whole thing is base peter should be capable of beating kraven in a head in fight Peter knows kraven extensively and it being in sight
As it’s a thing where I can make the argument is Peter preps to fight anyone on this list he also could beat kraven or any foe on the list depending on his preparation(as he is capable)
And keep in mind kraven jn the comics is depicted either at Spider-Man’s level or above him given his positions in the comics
Even against Kaine Parker a clone of Peter who is stronger and faster admits kraven is very tuff and not easy to put down in a casual state for Kaine as he wasn’t going all out in kraven(as he assumed either peter was weak to lose to kraven but it terms out kraven is just a beast)
Yet Peter in the comics can and has beat kraven many times but only if he preps for him and outsmarts him when he is in his normal moral state but the majority of his victories against kraven is to become the hunter outsmarting prepping and is almost willing to kill with no reservations on holding back
Its just a case that base peter might not be the most powerful character here
But give him time to access his opponents and counter accordingly knowing what he is dealing with
I argue he can beat kraven and maybe miles prepping for both accordingly
And best people he considers physically superior to him more times then not
As peter like he says “likes to fight smarter not harder” given while he does hold back a lot prefers to outsmart then brute force his way to victory
As in most cases he would kill his villains if he did
Also in terms of stats in relative terms Peter should be able to tank miles bio electric powers given sandman punching Peter exerts, enough force to destroy a small town
And miles best feat if his bio electricity is multi city block level given its effects on sandman(which his Harlem feat being large town to small city level even then sandman is town level at a minimum and peter can contend with sandman attacks and even tries to attack sandman many times implying he knows he can hurt him or stagger him)
Basically even if miles is objectively more powerful peter has demonstrated the ability to take in just as amount of force and likely could exert it if he actually did go all out
Im not being a peter fan boy
I’m just trying to tell people whether they agree or disagree with the notion of Peter being below or above people at base in the verse
I say a base Peter who preps and knows what he is dealing with would be above kraven on this list and could beat people higher then him
That’s just going off of how the characters in almost every other adaptation portrays them
And the fact it’s common sense peter in this game was supposed to use the symboye but it’s not like he is irrelevant to higher tiers on this list or couldn’t beat them without it
Even in concept art and promotional material by insomainc depict base Peter being able to fight kraven and venom in a fight
Even though it’s not in the game it’s still relevant to what insomniac view for Spider-Man
In which at base he still be no match for venom but can at least contend with him
And against kraven you can see peter fighting him and kraven’s hunters along with miles
Its not like they see Peter as weaker or being incapable
In fact in scripted scipts for Spider-Man 2 it was said in base before he gets anti venom could contend with even miles in a fight(it was in leaks via the hack in December)
Not to mention in the comics he goes on multiverse adventures with comic Spider-Men superior and 616 peter seen as peer to both of them respectly
So im sure Peter by insomainc is actually very strong to their point of view it’s just they rather give us a compelling story where he struggles then one where he beats everyone
To that I say let them cook and maybe we will get something in the game where base peter truly shines
Bro I agree in what you are saying but my brother in Christ please make your comments shorter and stop spacing them out. Obviously insomniac peter with prep time would win, hell kraven in the game uses prep time against scorpion, sandman, vulture, symbiote spider man and electro maybe even other superheroes or supervillains in his past.
Most people on this list with prep and knowledge of a opponent can win! Plus in the comics spiderman has always been stronger than kraven his skill and prep is what makes him dangerous! In this verse kraven is clearly stronger ! Being able to tank a bio electric because he took sandman punch makes no sense it doesn't have the same effect at all
Exactly Base Peter is more stronger, durable and faster than Miles and Kraven.
Only Connors, Venom, Symbiote and Anti-Venom Peter should be above Base Peter along with Sandman.
The scaling in this video is actually wrong about Base Peter and even some villains.
Scorpion should be below Shocker, Rhino, Electro etc. He should only be above Vulture. Electro should be above Ock.
Base Peter should be above Ock in PS4. Ock was healthy, and his arms were properly functioning.
Peter just defeated 5 villains with no food, water and just one night sleep along with 14 broken bones. Let a healthy Peter Parker go against Ock and he will beat him mid-high diff.
Whereas in this video, he said that Ock one shots Martin Li, when he was almost defeated by Spider-Man.
This scaling is very inaccurate regarding Base Peter.
@@Chaosedits_CH02Exactly Kraven can't put down Electro without prep time. This is like a plot armour saying that Batman would defeat Darkseid.
Electro is the most powerful villain in PS4 game, should be ranked above Ock. Base Peter should be above Ock and Kraven.
Kraven can only defeat Vulture,Shocker and Scorpion ( if he manages to avoid getting stabbed ) without PREPARATION TIME.
He and his hunters must have utilised some kind of special armour to contend with Electro.
Whereas Peter defeated them in 1v2, especially without Prep and 14 broken bones, with no food, water.
Kraven is actually below Base Peter. If Base Peter actually intends to injure Kraven or by any means of putting him down, Kraven is done.
Couple of issues
1. No character had plot armour in this scenario
2. Promotional art isn’t canon to the final product as events can be changed
3. The SM2 game retcons comic crossovers insom spiderman has connecting him to the ITSV timeline rather than the main comics timeline
In My Opinion This Is Incorrect However I Respect Your Opinion And Agree With Some Of Them Also Can You Make Miles Vs Ps4 Villains Or Peter Vs Miles Morales Villains? Also I Agree Sandman And Venom Are The 2 Strongest
Which do you disagree with?
And maybe I’ll do that yes :)
Im Using My Alternate Account But What I Disagree With Is Anti Ock Under Ock And Also I Think They Called Ock The Ultimate Villain Cause Hes The Final Boss In The Story, In Terms Of Power Hes Not Too Strong And I Think A Base Peter Not Holding Back As Much As He Did Would Clear Otto
I Also Think That Base Peter If Not AtLeast Base Miles Is Above Kraven
Also Think InexperiencedMiles Could Still Clear Peters Villains And Peter Would Also Clear Miles Villains But This Was Still A Good Video And I Could Slightly Agree With Ps4 Game/ Ps5 Game Peter Losing To Kraven And Last Thing I Disagree With Ps4 Game Peter Being Stronger Than Inexperienced Miles But Yeah Thats My Opinion
I Also Think Base Miles ( SpiderMan 2 ) Is Stronger Than The Lizard And Agent Venom In My Opinion Is Stronger Than Kraven And The Inexperienced Miles And Base Peter Are Above HammerHead Along With DocOck And Anti Ock
@@Ski11y331Base Peter should be above Miles or if not they should fall in same benchmark.
Base Peter should be above Ock.
Peter needed Sable to defeat Hammerhead.
Cyborg Hammerhead should be above them.
No, Miles cannot defeat Connors alone, when Symbiote Spidey struggled Miles doesn't stand a chance.
Base Peter and Miles should be above Kraven.
Symbiote Spidey In My Opinion Is Only Slightly Above Miles, I Have Them In The Same Tier, I Still Think Base Miles > Base Peter And Base Mìles Is Stronger Than All The First Games Villains Except
Maybe HammerHead
You forgot Spiderman the cat
Who wins, Spider-Man the cat, or MJ with Taser
My ranking would be:
1. Sandman
2. Venom
3. Anti-Venom
4. Symbiote Spider-Man
5. Lizard
6. Base Peter
7. Agent Venom
8. Base Miles
9. Kraven
10. Roxxon Rhino
11. Doc Ock
12. Base Rhino
13. Mr. Negative
14. Electro
15. Scream
16. Scorpion
17. Hammerhead ( DLC
18. Mysterio ( DLC )
19. Tinkerer
20. Tombstone
21. Scorpion
22. Shocker
23. Kingpin
24. Taskmaster
25. Prowler
26. Grizzly
27. Silver Sable
28. Black Cat
not bad editing and good vid and 2k views in 22 hours jeez
We be vibing
👍
SPIDERMAN VIDEO FOR THE WIN!!!
14:40 YES. PETER WAS NOT NERFED.
I’ve a whole video on that topic if you like 😅
@@TheGamingRift11 I'll check it out!
Really good video
where's spider cat ?
Teehee
Nah mj is s+++ with that tazer
What do you guys think??
what rank would mysterio be in?
@@r.editzzzz probably D or low C….. at the end of the day he’s just a random guy with cool gadgets, nothing that Taskmasker or Sable couldn’t replicate, with Peter long since surpassing him
Where would u rank all the insomniac characters in terms of top 20?
How do you mean? Top 20 strongest?
@@TheGamingRift11 for example like
20: silver cable
19: black cat something like this
@@MaxiMax-uz1st I’ll have to think about that
@@TheGamingRift11 but still lizard will be like top 5 or 6 right? Since he outclassed many many villains in the spider man insomniac villain
@@MaxiMax-uz1st yeah I think Lizard is number 5 or 6
Mysterio and..................cough, cough Screwball lol
Both would be D tier
Could u do the same for the arkham verse or gotham knights verse
Maybe…..or maybe the live action verse
This is the perfect ranking simply . Ultamate Clown would have said otherwise on SM2 base Peter tho 💀
Love the nickname 😂 but thank you regardless…. Apparently he responded to one of my videos…. I dread to think what his audience had to suffer through 😂
@@TheGamingRift11 Fr
I kinda don’t agree with your a list because miles had a better fight against Peter then kraven and also you disregarded his buff, also note that peters power is only mister negatives since he states that miles didn’t do anything
Miles was exploiting Pete’s weaknesses in that fight with Peter also becoming progressively more conflicted as the fight went on…. So no, Miles didn’t fight Symbiote Peter at his best
Also what buff are you referring to?
AV isn’t just Martin lis powers, it is a combination of Miles and Mr Negative as they both work together to neutralise the source at the end, and it’s stated on the suits bio that it was a team effort between the 2.
@@TheGamingRift11 his blue lighting made him able to teleport and he can take a lot more damage now plus the fact that he can fight venom he’s only below venom sandman and Peter and sandman also holding back because spider man was a kid in the pass, also yes it is a weakness but it isn’t that affective as it is in the comics, also miles only weaked it enough so Mr negative could take it over
@@ltsMotion yes that’s gameplay, and not canon 😂🤦♂️
Miles held his own against venom but was overpowered multiple times and would’ve died if Venom wasn’t holding back, so no he’s not on Venoms tier by any means
The sandman holding back thing has no proof to it, so I’d disagree with that
Bringing up the comics is irrelevant as things apply differently as this is a different adaptation of the characters in its own verse
It’s irrelevant if Miles weakened it or not, the end result is AV is confirmed to be a combination of Negative/bioelectric energy 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 yes but I’m saying all the feats he shown pre buff he should only be weaker then Peter sandman and venom also I would say base venom is weaker then both before he got his hands on nulls power so post game miles should only be weaker then null venom anti venom Peter and sand man but close
11:03 shocko
So i am powerful 😎
You forgot to rank Mysterio
He’s more or less featless…. Maybe D or C tier if that helps
Mysterio?
He’s fodder and would be around D or C tier
@@TheGamingRift11 OH OK. It was weird that you didn't mention him in the vid
I tried searching character bios and didn’t find much tbh on the guy…. I’m assuming he’s a normal human with crazy tech 🤷♂️
screeball is at the bottom
Putting miles that low gotta b3 racist
Yet Venom who is black is in S+ tier? 😇
He’s literally in S tier, how is that low? 😂
😭I didn't realize you were putting mm and sm2 at different points my bad
😂😂
Nah sand mand ain’t beating venom
It would be a close battle I find
In my opinion miles is the strongest
Horrible ranking miles is stronger or equally as strong as Peter
Base Peter should be above Miles.
No?
@@TheGamingRift11 He should be. Miles is just powerful. So by your logic Electro is more powerful than Peter then he should be above them.
Base Peter has better feats than Miles and don't bring Miles beating symbiote Peter.
You are low balling Base Peter.
Not he isn't miles fanboy lmao
Well yeah? Electro has more raw power than base spiderman 🤷♂️ that shouldn’t be much of a surprise?
Also what does electro even have to do with it?? Just cause 2 characters have similar abilities doesn’t mean they are the same 🤷♂️
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