Tips for Metering WITHOUT a Light Meter

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  • @andrewshieldsphoto
    @andrewshieldsphoto Рік тому +53

    And always remember that you are not locked into the shutter speed that your iso dictates with S/16. If you're zone focusing and light changes you can just as easily slow the shutter a stop or two to maintain your working depth of field. A stop is a stop no matter where you get it from. I think S/16 sometimes tricks people in the early stages into thinking they can only adjust aperture.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +2

      That's right! Something I've addressed with beginners in person, and is a good sticking point to mention 🙂

    • @geddyleesmullet84
      @geddyleesmullet84 Рік тому +4

      I’m reminded that Cartier-Bresson would shoot either 1/500 or 1/125 depending on the lighting conditions but still use f16 or f11 to keep his depth of field intact.

  • @Grandmastergreyy
    @Grandmastergreyy Рік тому +21

    Yes a more in Depth video would be dope!

  • @HJ-nh1wl
    @HJ-nh1wl 4 місяці тому +2

    Back in the day …. film rolls came with a piece of paper about ‘basic exposure’ method - this worked for Black & White photographers really well!
    Now in digital these digital days - this still works, as long as you camera can work ‘mechanical mode’!
    F16 @ 1/125s with ISO 100! Boom!

  • @feliksisaksen
    @feliksisaksen Рік тому +8

    Something that gives me confidence when metering by eye and shooting colour negative is to lean towards overexposure when in doubt, it gives flexibility and the "built in" latitude usually turns out well.

  • @ruffprophetproductions
    @ruffprophetproductions Рік тому +2

    i love guessing and then checking with my meter. it kind of does that quick assurance that you're going the right direction, without needing digital or to see the film

  • @DecentGatsby
    @DecentGatsby Рік тому +3

    I ordered a Leica m-a that was priced so low, I couldn’t say no; I am super excited for this step in my photography. I’ve shot with a pen Ft with a broken light meter for a while now.
    I still struggle judging indoor lighting situations. Thanks for the tips. Amazing timing !

  • @stefbecci1274
    @stefbecci1274 Рік тому +3

    I’ve been shooting sunny 16 forever and never miss exposure on streets . I’m baffled that photographers won’t trust the science of light and that of the camera .
    Shutter speed can also be manipulated for the same purpose.
    Anyway glad you’ve made a video about this . Good job 👏.

  • @MrGarrincha11
    @MrGarrincha11 Рік тому +2

    Hello, great video!
    Personnally I just look at the shadows, it is much more precise :
    Shadow
    Full sun - sharp shadow: f / 16
    Veiled sun - diffuse shadow: -1 stop => f / 11
    Against the light or in the shade (clear shade): -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Sun above the horizon, before diving: about -4 stops or about f / 4
    No shade
    Hidden sun, white sky, visible sun disk with sunglasses: -2 stops => f / 8
    Overcast sky, light gray, invisible sun disk: -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Overcast, leaden gray, it can rain: -4 stops => f / 4
    Rain: from -4 to -5 stops or f / 4 to f / 2.8
    Interior
    From -9 to -10 stops
    Dim lights: between -12 and -15 stops
    I use this and I have great result, hope it helps.

  • @khanscombe619
    @khanscombe619 14 днів тому

    Absolutely! I like this for my rangefinder use. Especially outside in a more or less same scene with only varying shadows. Now I get to concentrate on focus . (:

  • @wojt4spes
    @wojt4spes Рік тому +7

    I've been waiting for such a video of yours. Really impressed by how you are rolling this M-A without meter. Oh, I would love to see that vid where you judge exposure in the field :)

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +3

      Thank you! Looks like the votes are in already and I'll put that video on the list 🙂

  • @PhotoswithArt
    @PhotoswithArt 2 місяці тому +1

    I shoot digital manual, but I'm trying practicing sunny 16 rule as well. Because I became cling to a light meter in the camera so much, afraid of bad exposure, to the point it was interrupting the flow while walking and taking photos. I want to just focus and shoot with confident and still being manual not full auto mode. Thanks for the video.👍

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, it really can interrupt the flow sometimes! Thanks for watching

  • @benjaminneoh
    @benjaminneoh Рік тому +2

    Ha, enjoyed the humour in this one, Hashem 👏 This video also shows how far you've come with your confidence in front of the camera and now in public too 👏 Well done.

  • @sevsuk2011
    @sevsuk2011 Рік тому +1

    Great video. Please compile for additional video on how you do it, as your style is great.

  • @extremelydave
    @extremelydave Рік тому

    So true, so true. Sometimes it's just that you have that ONE small moment to get an epci shot and you don't have time to be a slave to the meter, you've got to wing it and hope your experience makes the day.

  • @my1956effie
    @my1956effie 2 місяці тому +1

    Really good information here. I need to put more effort into being able to read the conditions and rely less on the meter.

  • @weisserth
    @weisserth Рік тому +2

    Very good advice. I would add:
    On something like the Sekonic, use incident metering. When using a camera to meter, force it into center weighted metering or spot metering and take multiple measurements from areas with different brightness in the scene to see how they relate.

  • @Jack-qn6vy
    @Jack-qn6vy Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the helpful reminders. Would be a great idea to do a more in depth view of sunny 16 in different settings, like urban, and country. I find in NYC, I tend to underexpose, when it is a bright day, but where the buildings are really blocking the light. It’s like my mind knows that it’s sunny out and it starts to creep into my metering estimates. That said, I agree with you about just trying it! I was terrified the first few rolls I did this way, and everything worked out ok. In fact, it is even easier in some ways, because you stop being a slave to the meter. Someone once reminded me recently, that lots of people say they would never use auto exposure but if you always dial in exactly what the camera’s meter tells you, without thinking about the subject and the light, and what you want to accomplish, then that’s basically what you are doing. When you use sunny 16 you have to overcome that first block of fear, but then you are free to shoot, and adjust as you feel may be necessary.

  • @Mia-ce3fj
    @Mia-ce3fj 7 місяців тому

    Been searching UA-cam for a video like this. I dont have a light meter and don't have the means to buy one right now. Also i think fundamentally its helpful to be able to have this skill. Thank you for making this

  • @kevlarnegative
    @kevlarnegative Рік тому +2

    I suggest using a digital camera in manual settings for practice, guessing the exposure and then checking the result.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      Great way to go!

    • @Jack-qn6vy
      @Jack-qn6vy Рік тому

      I do this all the time - it’s like a “warm up ritual” whenever I break out the camera to start using it. The funny part is that of course half the time, those are my best photos of the day, lol

  • @franciscocalvo1980
    @franciscocalvo1980 Рік тому +1

    Thanks. Metering light is important after you know how much depth of field you're looking for..

  • @ClumpLord
    @ClumpLord Рік тому +4

    Would love to see your version of sunny 16!

  • @charlesfensky2105
    @charlesfensky2105 Рік тому

    Thank-you this was very helpful and believe that your proposed instructional video would be very useful to visualize how you do the process.

  • @c.augustin
    @c.augustin Рік тому +3

    A more in-depth instructional video would be nice! I do have the basic understanding (and did some more detailed tables), but I can't put it to practical use. (I do use the sunny 16 rule to check on plausibility of meter readings with old cameras, but I can't go without a light meter …)

  • @davidgatchalian885
    @davidgatchalian885 Рік тому

    As a former sales leader…turned photography film enthusiast….❤ ABC…what a classic movie ! Oh…also appreciated the learning too 😂.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      Haha yes I love Glengarry (especially Baldwin's monologue) so much that I found a way to shoehorn it into this video 😁

  • @dan-le-brun
    @dan-le-brun Рік тому

    Being in the UK, I’ve got a habit of doing sunny 8! I think it’s a sunny day but seems I need 4x more light than sunny 16 would say!

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      Haha yeah Melbourne is more often a sunny 11 situation rather than 16

  • @chris_jorge
    @chris_jorge Рік тому

    +1 for a deep metering video. would love to see where you place the center weight mark in the frame to get the reading. there are many videos out there but none that do that :(

  • @Leondrian
    @Leondrian Рік тому

    Would love to see how you use the sunny 16 in action.

  • @danielfollmer1825
    @danielfollmer1825 Рік тому

    my light meter broke literally last week and have been attempting S16 on my last few rolls, its so freeing!

  • @markandrewhoran
    @markandrewhoran Рік тому

    Excellent video, especially for this novice photographer. To be honest, I'm still pretty confused about the combination of ISO, aperture and shutter speed, but far less confused after I watched your video.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      Thanks! I'm currently working on a structured tutorial video sequel to this one, it might be my next release on the channel.

  • @digitalcake
    @digitalcake Рік тому

    I find that indoors it's often 1/30 and your widest aperture, say f2, if you're using 400 speed film. 1/60 at 800 and so on.

  • @jz8638
    @jz8638 Рік тому

    As always, I really enjoyed it! A big yes to another in depth version of this video on how you meter with lots of examples. Happy shooting! :)

  • @markcutting9313
    @markcutting9313 2 місяці тому

    superb and so helpful

  • @dasczwo
    @dasczwo 7 місяців тому

    how about using that rusty old canon g10 in the bottom of the drawer, or other digi point and shoot, see what auto/av…settings it took for a certain frame, transfer to the film camera and see how it turned out?

  • @stephanweiskorn6760
    @stephanweiskorn6760 Місяць тому

    Excellent video 😮!

  • @be8059
    @be8059 Рік тому

    Definitely, instructional/practice video would be helpful

  • @anta40
    @anta40 Рік тому

    For doing indoor shots, unfortunately there's no "Sunny 16" equivalent (or is there??)... so that's why I still have my Sekonic ready.

  • @PooMonkeyMan
    @PooMonkeyMan Рік тому +1

    From what I’ve come to understand with the Sunny 16 Rule is that your aperture is always changing to accommodate the lighting. As someone that likes to always shoot wide open, it’s a hard rule to follow.
    If there’s an alternative method to the Sunny 16 that doesn’t require closing down the aperture, I’m all ears.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +2

      You could just exchange a stop of aperture for shutter speed... but in most daylight situations you will quickly reach a "cap" when shooting wide open (an ND filter is a great solution to that)

    • @PooMonkeyMan
      @PooMonkeyMan Рік тому

      @@pushingfilm Oooh, I should ought to get an ND I suppose. I tend to use filters for my digital cameras but not for film.

  • @Barrrt
    @Barrrt 5 місяців тому

    Thanks! Great vid and yes to an in depth video to educate this newb :)

  • @michaelh7506
    @michaelh7506 Рік тому

    Long time ago when I was 13 my dad's 4x5 camera no light meter. 1/50 at f11 royal pan press film. Then your chemicals and temperature can alter the photos too. My dad liked Dektol 1:1. I liked Micrdol full strength. I'm sure I miss spelled the chemistry. I always liked my negatives a tad darker. Easier to fix them in the darkroom.

  • @Dksupa94
    @Dksupa94 Рік тому

    If the camera light meter suggests we put on auto mode should we? And if I'm pushing a 400 roll to 800 iso should I set shutter speed for 400 or 800? thanks!

  • @RickGTI2019
    @RickGTI2019 Рік тому

    Very informative and interesting. Sometimes just winging it makes the best pics. I noticed that interesting strap, where do I get one ?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      Thanks! The strap is by Tap and Dye

    • @RickGTI2019
      @RickGTI2019 Рік тому

      @@pushingfilm thanks….. Rick

    • @elmirage6005
      @elmirage6005 8 днів тому

      @@pushingfilm what length did you get? Yours sets the camera high up just like it should, but they carry many lengths. Thanks

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  8 днів тому +1

      @elmirage6005 I put a measuring tape around my neck and ordered the length that I wanted (from memory around 32"). But I would definitely recommend doing the same by measuring, since everyone's build and preference is unique.

  • @AlexOnStreets
    @AlexOnStreets Рік тому

    Great job!

  • @blainemarcano
    @blainemarcano Рік тому

    Great video!

  • @schecterman7193
    @schecterman7193 10 місяців тому

    Congrats for this video and your channel!
    What about if I'm in full manual mode (I choose my ISO, shutter speed and aperture)? I guess it doesn't matter which light metering mode you choose (spot, evaluative etc...). Am I right?
    I've done some tests, and the metering mode makes no difference when I'm in full manual.Could you confirm (or not...) please ?
    Regards.

  • @MichaelMasaki
    @MichaelMasaki Рік тому

    That closing brass balls scene with the camera overlay had me laughing out loud!!

  • @kurocamera
    @kurocamera Рік тому +2

    Thank you! I always do this (based on Sunny 16) and works perfectly for me on Sunny days.
    👇(⇒ always overexpose by +1):
    ・ISO100 → 1/125 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    ・ISO200 → 1/250 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    ・ISO400 → 1/500 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    Also, love the strap and the length! Would you mind telling me which one it is? Would love to order one for my M3!

  • @doozledumbler5393
    @doozledumbler5393 Рік тому

    A more detailed video would be great. Also, it would good to see how metering and focus are related. For example, any time you step down to f 5.6 or lower, focus has to be done with the patch right? Or can you just change the zone you are using?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +1

      Sure! About focus, it doesnt need to necessarily, but it's definitely worth watching a few videos on hyperfocal distances and grasping that concept first.

  • @jarkmodels
    @jarkmodels Рік тому

    Great tips, thank you for that! May I ask what strap is that? I looked at your channel and couldn't find the answer so apologies if you've mentioned already. I have an M10 Monochrom and I'm waiting for an MP and your strap seems the perfect lenght. The one I'm currently using (Artisan&Artist ACAM-310) is very nice but a bit too long so the camera bounces while I'm walking. Do you experienced the same issue with your shorter one? Cheers

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +1

      Hey, the strap is by Tap and Dye, I've used their stuff for years and have 3 different straps from them. You can order the strap by length. I did indeed go with the short one you see in this video, to prevent the amount of bouncing that you normally get with a longer one when wearing it around the neck! Best to get a measuring tape and visualise it around your neck before ordering 👍🏼

    • @jarkmodels
      @jarkmodels Рік тому

      @@pushingfilm Thanks mate! I appreciate your reply. By the way, totally out of context here, but after watching another of your videos I wanted to say that Sergio Larrain is also my favorite photographer...I happened to be Chilean (living in Australia for the last 14 years) so I reckon I'm bias....but anyways, he is amazing! cheers

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому +1

      @@jarkmodels Oh nice! Yeah he's such an inspiration, I finally purchased his main book and have all three now 😁

    • @jarkmodels
      @jarkmodels Рік тому

      @@pushingfilm oh WOW!, I have 2, the London one and one called "El Rectangulo en la Mano" which is a beautiful small note book size edition. I was desperately looking for the one of Valparaiso but is out of stock everywhere in the world!. The bigger one unfortunately costs a fortune in Amazon!. Where did you find them? By the way, do you remeber which model is your short strap?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      @@jarkmodels Nice! Wow, it seems like Valparaiso might be limited in stock now... As for the bigger book you're right, I had it on my watchlists for a while due to the price until i found a half-decent deal on it. Hopefully, they make some reprints of both. The strap I use is by Tap and Dye out of New York

  • @MP40meatballTR
    @MP40meatballTR Рік тому +1

    We need that instructional video

  • @tomostudio9062
    @tomostudio9062 Рік тому +2

    Indepth instruction video please 🥺

  • @dushyantbhatt9345
    @dushyantbhatt9345 Рік тому

    was that a lieca watch on the wrist ??

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      No, I don't have one of those 🙂

  • @xiondFirst
    @xiondFirst Рік тому

    Interesting basic tutorial, I would like more in depth tutorials.

  • @jasongold6751
    @jasongold6751 Рік тому

    Film has latitude! So has Digital!!. Black and Whie film. : Film test. Take a roll,shoot as many as needed and cut out of camera. Use HP5+/Tri-x,/ any 400 speed film.Shoot on sunny day. Do some backlit, in open shade, Side light,in downtown in shade of buildings. Expose at ISO/ASA from say 25 speed,50,100,200,400,800, 1600 and 3200.Make small prints at home or lab. Big Surprise awaits. Color negative film C-41 use lower ASA/ISO. Use 400 film. Go down to ISO 10 or less. Don't bother over 1000.Same small prints. It will be worth lots! Enjoy and Bravo. DO IT!

  • @dvdaltizer
    @dvdaltizer Рік тому +1

    how on earth are you getting these perfect memes?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  Рік тому

      I used this site called playphrase for most! Whereas Glengarry was just a movie I'm a fan of and remembered quotes from 😅

  • @john_murch
    @john_murch Рік тому +1

    Always - Be - Closing! (Metering) Got it Hashem!

  • @BreakfastEveryday
    @BreakfastEveryday Рік тому

    Sunny 16 video would be very appreciated

  • @BrianHallmond
    @BrianHallmond Рік тому +2

    Learning the exposure traingle helped me a lot. Now I just change the settings to get the image I like.
    And then cry because it doesn't look the same on PC as it does on my camera.

  • @firstnamelastname9955
    @firstnamelastname9955 Рік тому

    Master the guesstimation and increase your expectations.

  • @Seapatico
    @Seapatico Рік тому +1

    I don't even think you need to memorize a table for Sunny 16. You just need to know this:
    For ISO 400 film (and I use this for Portra 800, too):
    Direct sunlight - f8 and 1/1000
    Open shade/backlit - f2.8 and 1/1000.
    From there, you can adjust as needed, but for most people in most situations, I think that will get you pretty close without risking under exposure.

  • @caypasha
    @caypasha Рік тому +1

    i just shoot overexposed if its sunny outside! ahah

  • @huni1984
    @huni1984 7 днів тому

    I don't have fear of shooting...but do have fear of film price.

  • @SeanJorgensen
    @SeanJorgensen 4 місяці тому

    i mentioned i shoot without a light meter and people freaked out in my comments hahaha

  • @Michaelajacksonfilms
    @Michaelajacksonfilms Рік тому

    But the light meter guys always get the goodlite leads!

  • @namvet_13e
    @namvet_13e 3 місяці тому

    There are a lot of nice smartphone apps that use the camera features in the phone to create a light meter. If you install one of the lightmeter apps on your phone then you usually have a lightmeter with you.

  • @eliaspap8708
    @eliaspap8708 Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing, sunny 16 is not going to help you always get the correct exposure, especially if the subject is little back light, with the right education and a spot meter that most cameras already have in built you don’t need a seperate light meter, especially SLRs. Exposing for negative film is easy once you learn the science of negative and the opposite positive film, both films require a similar approach but an emphases on shadow recovery for negative and highlight protection for positive.
    Let’s start with neg film, Here you need to start viewing the world in black and white, start understanding were in the scene your deep shadows, mid tones and highlights are, and if you want detail in those areas? Next start taking spot readings from your deepest shadows (Dark part of the scene) understand that your spot meter in your camera will turn everything it looks at into a neutral grey point (mid tone ) or even exposure 0, so once you have taken a reading from the darkest part of your scene let’s say for example it’s a black jacket your subject is wearing and your cameras spot meter is showing F8 @ 1/250 shutter, you need to remember that your spot reading will read everything you point it too and turn it into a neutral grey, mid tone, but this is not what we want our black jacket to become we need to look black but still retain texture. So what you need to do is close down 2 full stops go from 1/250 shutter to 1/1000 or f8 to f16, anymore then 2 stops and your blacks will start loosing texture, so now when pointing to the black jacket your meter should be saying -2 ev assuming your in manual mode, the rest of the scene unless it’s in uneven light will be exposed perfectly.
    Positive film is the complete opposite you meter for your whites (highlights) brightest part that you want texture and then add 2 stops over expose +2ev . Gets trickier with more complexed lighting but this how you can’t go wrong in simple evenly light scene.

  • @benjaminpoe1006
    @benjaminpoe1006 Рік тому

    go and do leica-wise, gents~

  • @altaccout
    @altaccout 6 місяців тому +1

    The instructions are great, but why are there so many cutaway jokes! Half way though I had to stop the video and just read the transcript

  • @blanked3
    @blanked3 10 місяців тому

    tip: practice using digital cameras, like dslrs and mirrorless cameras

  • @deantaylor1512
    @deantaylor1512 Рік тому

    Should have added.. don’t be afraid to spend…. Spend … spend ….. and when you get good … give it all up …
    Actually… just kidding… you should have added… just slow down … don’t be afraid to miss a shoot .. especially in street … something will happen again.. and very quickly in my experience… and stop walking.. just find a interesting spot .. and stay awhile..
    can’t stand watching all those street photogs who keep walking and snapping and walking on …

  • @frankbregulla564
    @frankbregulla564 Рік тому

    Thanks for info but insert clips really stupid

  • @deantaylor1512
    @deantaylor1512 Рік тому

    And another thing.. please guys .. no more photos of people on mobile phones … yes phones exist.. and people use them .. get over it …