I have been a highway engineer and have held traffic, transportation, and civil engineer licenses for over 45 years. I worked with the department of transportation for 40 years, please do not forget super elevation of the curves, Some time you encounter with Broken back curves or reversed curves. Thanks
How do u know which way is the friction? from what I can imagine, couldn't the friction also be the other way around ( upward the slope ) like how u can stick something on a slope and it stays at the same spot. Because the friction is resisting gravity making the object not ride down. Or is the bank curve scenario different from the incline example?
mg is vertically downward, so there's no need to resolve it to x and y components here. we can straightaway consider it in the y direction. if resolved however, mgsin(theta) will be along the inclined surface
No. There are three forces (y-component of friction, y-component of normal, and gravity) acting in the vertical direction that must sum to zero since there is no acceleration in the vertical direction. Also there are two horizontal forces (horizontal components of friction and normal) acting to provide the centripetal force. When the object is in motion, the normal force is greater than if the car is at rest. This is because the car is literally driving into the road as the road curves into its path. The extreme case would be a curved wall. Imagine a hockey puck moving along the wall of an ice rink. As the puck moves into the curve, the wall pushes the puck around the curve. A similar thing happens with a car on a banked curve. The road pushes the car around the curve
Essentially because there is a reaction force from the road's surface as you drive around the corner. If you were at rest on the incline then the normal force would be as you stated, but because you are moving into a curve, you are pushing into the road, so it pushes back. The extreme case is a vertical wall. Imagine a hockey puck moving along the wall of an ice rink; as it enters the curve the wall pushes in on the puck towards the center of the curve, causing the puck to follow the wall. The normal force causes the centripetal acceleration. The same thing happens with a banked curve, the road surface is in effect a wall that you are driving into.
@@topiary5650 That's not true. Racing tires have coefficients well over 1. There is nothing wrong with friction coefficients over 1. The deal with the model is that it breaks down when Cos(Q)=muSin(Q). Remember the restraint in the model was looking for Vmax, so it is saying that Vmax tends to infinity... in other words you can go as fast as you want and you will never slide out. Look at the 2nd line under Sigma Fy... if Cos(Q)=muSin(Q) then -mg = 0. That's impossible, unless Fn can go to infinity
@@brianmcelhenny7645 I'm not talking about real life I'm talking about what's gonna be on the test. I'm just trying to check off all the boxes for the pre-med requirements over here and they require us to do physics. I appreciate the input though, I do enjoy learning physics and natural sciences and stuff. I'm doing a joint biology and applied math degree cuz of that.
The static force of friction "fₛ" is often defined as "fₛ = μₛ⋅n", which means that it is the product of the static coefficient "μₛ" multiplied by the normal force "n". The static coefficient has different values depending on which surfaces that make contact with each other, and it will usually be given to you.
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It is good but review on where you placed friction,it has to be on the contact interface of the car and surface not at the center,only normal reaction and weight are acting at the centre not friction
Actually the normal force would also be acting at the contact interface of the car and surface. But theoretically the effect shouldn't matter if the car is considered a rigid body. Truth is it is not exactly rigid since there is sway between tires and car body on sharp turns.
this is one of the most clear explanations I have found to help my students understand banked curves with friction. thank you
Thanks! This was the only video I could find that involved friction in the equations, and it is very well explained.
This is the best work I can find on "with friction" situation. Thanks for being so clear!
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the video is flipped so you can read it...
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Only video I found that showed how to do this kind of problem correctly! Thank you!!
I have been a highway engineer and have held traffic, transportation, and civil engineer licenses for over 45 years. I worked with the department of transportation for 40 years, please do not forget super elevation of the curves, Some time you encounter with Broken back curves or reversed curves. Thanks
This is just basic high school level
circular motion.
Amazing lesson man. Thanks for the knowledge!
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How do u know which way is the friction? from what I can imagine, couldn't the friction also be the other way around ( upward the slope ) like how u can stick something on a slope and it stays at the same spot. Because the friction is resisting gravity making the object not ride down. Or is the bank curve scenario different from the incline example?
For an inclined plane we also have mgsin(theta) which points toward the center of the curve. Why is this not included as yet a 3rd centripetal force?
no it points along the inclined plane
mg is vertically downward, so there's no need to resolve it to x and y components here. we can straightaway consider it in the y direction.
if resolved however, mgsin(theta) will be along the inclined surface
Very clear, thank you
Is Fn not equal to Fny*cos(θ) = mg*cos(θ)?
No. There are three forces (y-component of friction, y-component of normal, and gravity) acting in the vertical direction that must sum to zero since there is no acceleration in the vertical direction. Also there are two horizontal forces (horizontal components of friction and normal) acting to provide the centripetal force. When the object is in motion, the normal force is greater than if the car is at rest. This is because the car is literally driving into the road as the road curves into its path. The extreme case would be a curved wall. Imagine a hockey puck moving along the wall of an ice rink. As the puck moves into the curve, the wall pushes the puck around the curve. A similar thing happens with a car on a banked curve. The road pushes the car around the curve
Is anyone able to help me? Why normal force isn't just equal to to the cosine*m*g
Essentially because there is a reaction force from the road's surface as you drive around the corner. If you were at rest on the incline then the normal force would be as you stated, but because you are moving into a curve, you are pushing into the road, so it pushes back. The extreme case is a vertical wall. Imagine a hockey puck moving along the wall of an ice rink; as it enters the curve the wall pushes in on the puck towards the center of the curve, causing the puck to follow the wall. The normal force causes the centripetal acceleration. The same thing happens with a banked curve, the road surface is in effect a wall that you are driving into.
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Why is the Fs equal to the normal force?
they're proportional - its proablya year to late lol
Hi... What happens if the angle is 45 degrees and the coefficient of friction is 1? Looks like the denominator under the radical becomes zero?
A bit late on this but the coefficient is always less than 1 or else it doesn't make sense.
@@topiary5650 That's not true. Racing tires have coefficients well over 1. There is nothing wrong with friction coefficients over 1. The deal with the model is that it breaks down when Cos(Q)=muSin(Q). Remember the restraint in the model was looking for Vmax, so it is saying that Vmax tends to infinity... in other words you can go as fast as you want and you will never slide out. Look at the 2nd line under Sigma Fy... if Cos(Q)=muSin(Q) then -mg = 0. That's impossible, unless Fn can go to infinity
@@brianmcelhenny7645 I'm not talking about real life I'm talking about what's gonna be on the test. I'm just trying to check off all the boxes for the pre-med requirements over here and they require us to do physics. I appreciate the input though, I do enjoy learning physics and natural sciences and stuff. I'm doing a joint biology and applied math degree cuz of that.
how do i find force of friction?
The static force of friction "fₛ" is often defined as "fₛ = μₛ⋅n", which means that it is the product of the static coefficient "μₛ" multiplied by the normal force "n".
The static coefficient has different values depending on which surfaces that make contact with each other, and it will usually be given to you.
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My professor never taught us this only to find the friction in a banked curve never to actually apply it so damn is all i gotta say
It is good but review on where you placed friction,it has to be on the contact interface of the car and surface not at the center,only normal reaction and weight are acting at the centre not friction
it applies at the center of mass, this is why he puts it in the center
Actually the normal force would also be acting at the contact interface of the car and surface. But theoretically the effect shouldn't matter if the car is considered a rigid body. Truth is it is not exactly rigid since there is sway between tires and car body on sharp turns.
well yes but its simplified at this level