BREXIT ANGER - Baroness Boothroyd brands Corbyn a 'dithering leader' and Johnson a ‘charlatan’

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  • Former speaker Baroness Boothroyd delivered a powerful speech as she rejected Theresa May’s Brexit plan and called for MPs to support a People’s Vote.
    The former Labour MP, speaker and cross-bench peer said she had watched the Conservatives tear themselves apart over Europe before, but now the wounds were deeper under a leader who had struggled to keep her party together.
    She also said that Jeremy Corbyn was a “dithering” leader of the opposition who had failed to show leadership like at a time of national crisis. She gave the example of the unity government back in 1940.
    Boothroyd told the Lords that she backs a People’s Vote and wanted to send a message to MPs to ignore the warnings of ministers and back it too.
    "Europe is part of my DNA, it transcends treaties and bureaucracy," she says.
    "I feared the worst" when David Cameron allied his MEPs with the "far right" and when he called the EU referendum, she says.
    She says that the only consistency of the Labour Party is "evasion" on current problems facing the UK.
    She adds she is once again seeing the Tory party "tear itself apart" over Europe, as she saw when she was Speaker during the Maastricht debates.
    "We have been wandering in the wilderness since Mrs May lost her majority in the election," she says, adding that if a democracy cannot change its mind "it ceases to be a democracy".
    The UK is now "paying the price for a referendum which was dominated by falsehoods," she states.
    She urges Parliamentarians to forget party allegiances, as the country "demands it".
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  • @Amahl1971
    @Amahl1971 5 років тому +545

    As a US citizen, I am always astonished by the speeches and debates in Great Britain's parliament. I can't recall hearing a speech of this quality from a sitting US senator, which is as close as we get to the Lords. Brava, Baroness Boothroyd!!!

  • @nejuw
    @nejuw 5 років тому +702

    ... which brings me to Boris Johnson - excellent!

    • @TraitorFelon.14.3
      @TraitorFelon.14.3 5 років тому +27

      Coleen West
      “We will give you trade.....”
      Did you, or did you not, pay attention to your Traitor President when he announced “AMERICA FIRST”?
      Which means that any trade deals will be unfair.

    • @Moldov1
      @Moldov1 5 років тому +35

      Coleen West why on earth would we want to take lectures from the laughing stock of a country that elected the orange cretin that is Trump?

    • @steffenlib1382
      @steffenlib1382 5 років тому +30

      Coleen West don’t ever think you speak for the Americans. You are a Minority and the laughing stock of the world right now

    • @papanino4415
      @papanino4415 5 років тому +6

      @Coleen West Go back to America.

    • @MSAFLEMMING1
      @MSAFLEMMING1 5 років тому +4

      We do need someone who will fight for the UK... but I'd plump for Jacob Rees-Mogg...... I've seen him in action (take look).... he's very calm, 'measured' and relentless... he's all for Brexit on OUR terms and can surgically defeat members of the EU when he crosses swords with them.... he leave them with egg on their face and nowhere to run to. :-)

  • @taniablack5018
    @taniablack5018 5 років тому +1106

    She’s just as sharp as we remember her when she was speaker in the 1990s!! Brilliant!!!

    • @rayg7383
      @rayg7383 5 років тому +20

      Bravo Betty

    • @karstenschuhmann8334
      @karstenschuhmann8334 5 років тому +15

      @@xxyyyxxyyy9532: So basically any international organization is illegal? LMAO

    • @SingWhileYouMay
      @SingWhileYouMay 5 років тому +27

      I'd be happy to be half as sharp when and if I get to live to 89.

    • @arthurpewtey
      @arthurpewtey 5 років тому +7

      Funny that you know this, yet a person of the class of Betty Boothroyd doesn't. Well done, you. @@xxyyyxxyyy9532

    • @mats333333
      @mats333333 5 років тому +12

      There is such a big quality difference between House of Lords and House of Commons. Sophisticated vs ... well I would rather not say. This is so at least for an outsider eyes (not from UK).

  • @anoobiscooking1193
    @anoobiscooking1193 5 років тому +452

    Damn... she is still sharp as a whistle...

    • @dropperknot
      @dropperknot 5 років тому +6

      @Dale Hanson Indeed, she could have been a 'runner bean', a 'baked bean' but now she's just a 'has been', as The Speaker she did nothing but scream and shout.

  • @ellamiddlemiss6219
    @ellamiddlemiss6219 5 років тому +13

    What a dignified, intelligent lady. Unlike the person implying that she could be mistaken for a male comedian. If that sort of insult is seen as amusing or intelligent, then god help us all. I say to the person who posted that nasty comment, to get informed, and learn some manners.

  • @Pincer88
    @Pincer88 5 років тому +44

    Dame Boothroyd should have been the PM after Ms. Thatcher. She is as perceptive and wise, as she's razorsharp. Respect, Lady!

  • @hey_ashy
    @hey_ashy 5 років тому +19

    One of the most succinct summations of Brexit I have heard so far.

  • @MrBritishComedy
    @MrBritishComedy 5 років тому +41

    A person who has some intelligence and common sense. It's a pity, none of the people who are steering the country are like her.

  • @wilihgrolsch3544
    @wilihgrolsch3544 5 років тому +123

    An old head on old shoulders. A true democrat. A speaker for truth, and of truth. Seems to me if she was teaching 5yr-olds, They Would Learn. Some Should Learn!!

  • @Sven6345789
    @Sven6345789 5 років тому +302

    I always thought the House of Lords is a leftover from time long ago. I stand corrected. At the moment, it seems to be the only place in parliament where the people have not gone completely bonkers . My respect.

  • @owenhaskins7193
    @owenhaskins7193 5 років тому +129

    Which brings me to Boris Johnson - genius!

  • @marklloyd3536
    @marklloyd3536 5 років тому +86

    Betty is the epitome of the calibrate of politician we so desperately need. Wonderful to see her back on form, and despite all the criticism the House of Lords consistently seems to provide intelligent, courteous constructive debate. Do away with the Commons on this showing!

  • @lesleyrobinson7129
    @lesleyrobinson7129 5 років тому +38

    love this women, she is so spot on about Corbyn well done to Betty !!.

  • @jamesdiamond6139
    @jamesdiamond6139 5 років тому +10

    these people never ever seem to mention heath the one that took us into the EU why ?.

  • @davidgoldin5759
    @davidgoldin5759 5 років тому +13

    Maginificent. She exemplifies what I admire in England. I'm just finishing Winston Churchill's history of WWII. Baroness Bothroyd is not quite as eloquent as Churchill, but I believe that they would have gotten along well together. She might have served in his War Cabinet. It's hard to imagine Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, or Boris Johnson serving in that era.

  • @darthattenborough1145
    @darthattenborough1145 5 років тому +6

    Got to say the Lords don't act like school children compared to the mess of the commons. Go on Betty you spicy lady.

  • @FarFromZero
    @FarFromZero 5 років тому +12

    Her speech, in the Lords, is an example for intelligence, responsibility and differentiated reflection. What a boon after listening for some hours to the speeches in the House of Commons. With all that stubbornness, obstination and black-and-white painting. Unsurprisingly politicians like Nigel Farage wanna get rid of the House of Lords. After the omnipresence of a pupolistic, gimmicky press one of the last strongholds against unlimited stupidity in the UK.

  • @DanRivers22
    @DanRivers22 5 років тому +176

    "If a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democracy."
    She just took apart Brexiteers' whining about 'democracy' with a single sentence.

  • @militarymodellerpaul5932
    @militarymodellerpaul5932 5 років тому +5

    Well we the people voted leave’ get over it please. But we had a peoples vote so please refresh your memory. Leave means leave.

  • @baboom007
    @baboom007 5 років тому +9

    To be so sharp and pretty much decent looking at 89 is something

  • @petermullan9174
    @petermullan9174 5 років тому +81

    Fantastic speech, if only those in the commons would listen.

  • @jorgecarrillo2
    @jorgecarrillo2 5 років тому +6

    The "generation of silence" has always been the smartest

  • @gpan62
    @gpan62 5 років тому +53

    ...which brings me to Mr. Boris Johnson... 🤣

  • @sallydarley9812
    @sallydarley9812 5 років тому +6

    Was the UK a member of the European Union in the 1960s during the 'Pound in your pocket' 'You've never had it so good' times?

  • @hdrenth
    @hdrenth 5 років тому +56

    Wow! This lady certainly commands respect.

  • @johnking1868
    @johnking1868 5 років тому +15

    She's absolutely right.If Labour had a half decent leader it would be streets ahead in the opinion polls by now ...but it doesn't & it isn't & we're landed with very possible Tory no-deal brexit chaos.

  • @pippipster6767
    @pippipster6767 5 років тому +20

    Well this is all very interesting but would she be making this speech if the vote had been remain.
    No.

  • @fasteddie6806
    @fasteddie6806 5 років тому +35

    The best summary of Corbyn uttered to date.

  • @colindurham5085
    @colindurham5085 5 років тому +13

    One of the reasons Brexit is going to happen is the sheer incompetence of the Bremoaners. The Losers' Vote has completely failed.

  • @lancechinnian4043
    @lancechinnian4043 5 років тому +25

    LOVE this woman. An absolute LEGEND!

    • @kaba_me
      @kaba_me 5 років тому

      No need... she has a lifelong appointment to the lords chamber. The advisory chamber of Parliament.

  • @solenodonjoe
    @solenodonjoe 5 років тому +304

    Thank you to Baroness Boothroyd for standing up for democracy, honesty and common sense.

    • @mrspone1000
      @mrspone1000 5 років тому +1

      know your place boy.@Reckoning

    • @jont39
      @jont39 5 років тому +5

      It took 40 years to revisit a referendum vote and when the political class loose the vote of the people who have experienced EU increased intrusion within the lives of the British and wants us to vote again after two years where referendums are ones in a generation it must be the same and that is democracy

    • @Drobium77
      @Drobium77 5 років тому +4

      idiot! you don't understand the will of the people, 'we' voted out!

    • @hoggarththewisesmeagol8362
      @hoggarththewisesmeagol8362 5 років тому +5

      Jose Nunez Ignoring the referendum result is standing up for democracy in your world?

    • @jacobsxavier6082
      @jacobsxavier6082 5 років тому +4

      @Reckoning The first referendum was about leaving the UE or not, not about how to leave the UE and at the moment there are multiple options available. Therefore a second referendum on May's deal, hard Brexit or preferring to stay in the EU rather than the two previous options are not a choice that has been put to the population yet. On the other hand I remember some lies that have been put forward by the Brexiteers, the red bus is only the most outrageous of them.
      Therefore the public has not been informed correctly (even if they should have checked their sources) but making abstraction of this point there is still the first point that matters, what kind of Brexit was talked about ? Between cutting off all supply lines with the UE (a major trade partner of the UK) as a hard brexit would cause and that lie of the Brexiteers that the UK would stay in the common market despite leaving the UE and UECJ there cannot be a bigger difference. You cannot promise A in the referendum and deliver B while pretending that you were talking about B during the whole time, this is antidemocratic. As Keynes says: 'when facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir ?'. And in this Brexit affair those lies have constantly been changing the facts.

  • @OtocinclusAffinis
    @OtocinclusAffinis 5 років тому +71

    I have a quote for you “There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool. The Chairman of the Public Administration Committee, who is no longer in the Chamber, said that Clement Attlee-who is, I think, one of the Deputy Prime Minister's heroes-famously described the referendum as the device of demagogues and dictators. We may not always go as far as he did, but what is certain is that pre-legislative referendums of the type the Deputy Prime Minister is proposing are the worst type of all. ¶ Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge. ¶ We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.’
    Guess whose wise words are those.

    • @archieblair8728
      @archieblair8728 5 років тому +9

      You conveniently forget the government spent nine million quid of tax payers money, putting a booklet through every door in the country exaggerating the dangers of leaving the European Soviet and still we voted to leave. If you have lost your booklet I can send you a copy.

    • @designanddirection
      @designanddirection 5 років тому +2

      OtocinclusAffinis Attlee / Thatcher. However some democracies have regular referenda and are not run by Hitler or Mussolini, places like Switzerland.

    • @jrgboy
      @jrgboy 5 років тому +2

      Don't forget the last one cost well over £100 million & if less than 40% turnout they mean nothing..

    • @yetanotheryoutubechannel6290
      @yetanotheryoutubechannel6290 5 років тому +2

      @@archieblair8728 The European Soviet is the funniest thing to imagine. Do you not recall the past when it was the socialists of the Labour party against EEC membership? They thought it would get in the way of making a socialist utopia and only handed power to the few. The EU is in fact a much more fiscally conservative institution, and was made out of a want to increase business, trade and capitalism.

    • @PanglossDr
      @PanglossDr 5 років тому +1

      David Davis Hansard 26 Nov 2002

  • @liamb8644
    @liamb8644 5 років тому +384

    Glad that Betty, as a former Labour MP has the guts to derogate Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies for what they are.

    • @Oxol33
      @Oxol33 5 років тому +18

      He is under no obligation to pull the Tories' chestnuts from the fire. The voters reelected the Tories to deal with Brexit, which they initiated. It's their problem.

    • @davidwatson3035
      @davidwatson3035 5 років тому +14

      @@Oxol33 Can't you see that it's ALL of our problem? BB is absolutely right about JC. He's just another Brexiteer without the guts to say so.

    • @ronnieince4568
      @ronnieince4568 5 років тому +3

      Jeremy Corbyn has always been anti the EU and the Labour Party as a matter of policy has akways been anti the EU -Blair was the exception .

    • @joseki6644
      @joseki6644 5 років тому +11

      @@ronnieince4568 Incorrect. Corbyn wants no deal to come off the table and to retain the EU customs union. That's all very well except Britain LOSES control as well as continues to be dominated by EU legislation, making Brexit even worse than having just stayed on in the first place. As a remainer, I clearly see that kind of soft Brexit is worse than no deal. Corbyn doesn't have a clue, not a bloody clue.

    • @billcoleman4258
      @billcoleman4258 5 років тому

      But she appears to be a Crossbencher in the Lords.

  • @iangordon-brown5407
    @iangordon-brown5407 5 років тому +2

    I assume M'Lady would therefore also support a second referendum for Scotland then? (To quote her, if a democracy can't be allowed to change it's mind, it ceases to be a democracy.)

  • @LONDONIA2072
    @LONDONIA2072 5 років тому +3

    Wow. Someone in that room with a brain!

  • @mariakelly5
    @mariakelly5 5 років тому +5

    You go, Baroness Boothroyd!

  • @st0n3p0ny
    @st0n3p0ny 5 років тому +29

    Why is this still being debated? Has the British government simply dropped all pretense that they're presiding over a free country with a representative government?

    • @craig581
      @craig581 5 років тому +9

      Basically 70% in parliament are remainers.

  • @ccw1961
    @ccw1961 5 років тому +2

    Brilliant but I do not share her Eurocentric view of the future. Lets do what happened in Ireland; let us just keep re voting until the remainers get the outcome they want. Do we go for best out of three? No deal is the only way we will gain momentum for a fair and proper deal with Europe.

  • @1258-Eckhart
    @1258-Eckhart 5 років тому +2

    It seems to me that all the elderly Tories who are most vociferous over Brexit think the referendum to have been a disaster for the country. Maybe people should bow to their deeper experience. As for Corbyn - her majesty's opposition has become her majesty's duckers and weavers.

  • @kerkhamo
    @kerkhamo 5 років тому +3

    the vote has already taken place and brexit won ..So we have another vote and remain wins what happens then coz brexit supporters will want a best of 3.Its quite clear that parliament doesn,t really want brexit and the rotten deal we have is because they haven,t bothered to do anything over 2 years .Then there is listen to the voice of business and why should we do that? all we,re left with in this country if your not a teacher or something like that is a call centre worker so why should we give a stuff what business thinks?

  • @orlando098
    @orlando098 5 років тому +41

    Bravo! Great speech from a woman who's still much sharper and brighter than most of the lot of them in either house. Actually if you watch their debates plenty of the lords often make good sense. Most of them these days aren't just there by birth but because of their long and distinguished experience. It works well to have an upper house of people that don't have to fear being unpopular with some of the electorate and can really speak their minds.

  • @TRODD12321
    @TRODD12321 5 років тому +56

    Great speech. Ironic that she's talking about democracy in an unelected house of government though.

  • @kwisatzhaderach6742
    @kwisatzhaderach6742 5 років тому +10

    Woah the Queen is pissed! 😂

  • @grendelum
    @grendelum 5 років тому +5

    3:10 That wonderful northern accent creeps in...

  • @William-Morey-Baker
    @William-Morey-Baker 5 років тому +6

    wise words

  • @1chish
    @1chish 5 років тому +1

    Given the deceptive rewriting off history and the issues raised by Ms Boothroyd some factual history needs stating:
    1. Following the 2015 General Election in which UKIP polled the 3rd highest vote, more than the LibDems and SNP combined, Cameron called for an EU Referendum as promised
    2. The Parliament that the wonderful Betty Boothroyd used to chair decided by a good margin to ask us, the British Electorate, whether we should leave or remain the EU.
    3. The Government of the day campaigned for the remain side but promised whatever was decided would be implements. I repeat "WHATEVER IS DECIDED WILL BE IMPLEMENTED"
    4. We all had a leaflet stating the perils of leaving and the benefits of remaing but that our desion was final. I repeat "FINAL"
    5. We decided to Leave in the biggest electoral event since WWII.
    6. The new PM (Theresa May) called a General Election in which 80% of the electorate voted for Brexit supporting parties.
    7. 70% of Labour and 60% of Tory constituencies voted Leave
    8. 420 constituencies should have had Brexit supporting MPS
    9. The same Parliament decided by a big margin to trigger Article 50 which set in train a 2 year fixed period under EU Law
    10. TM returned with a Withdrawal Deal despite an intransigent EU, having Remainer MPs on one side, ERG MPs on the other and a Labour Party clearly playing party politics with a totally non partisan issue.
    11. Parliament voted it down with 420 MPs voting against. Note that number compared to that in 8. above.
    12. Utter Parliamentary stalemate after 2 1/2 years of knowing what was intended by the British electorate.
    So we now have MPs deliberately voting down a way of leaving, Corbyn refusing to talk to May, Remain MPs demanding a 'No deal' law that would castrate any further EU discussions and others demanding Article 50 be extended or stopped. And then because 'Its all too difficult' suggesting we are asked again 'because we didn't understand'. They all know what they do want though - to stop Brexit.
    Ms Boothroyd made a stout defence of Parliament but the MPs who inhabit that place are a disgrace to British democracy. There must be NO 2nd referendum until the first is implemented and Article 50 must stand. We MUST leave the EU on March 29th. It was demanded the British Electorate, triggered by Parliament, it is written into British Law and if Parliament, the rule of Law and Democracy itself have any meaning left this MUST be honoured.
    And sorry Betty you made the fatal error of assuming how people will vote and by doing so sadly peddled the Remainer mantra of 'It was the Oldies Wot Dunnit'. Shame on you My Lady

  • @kevinben1821
    @kevinben1821 5 років тому +81

    The Queen has spoken.

    • @Headsign
      @Headsign 5 років тому +1

      @Coleen West Fool, it's not about dancing, it's about being part of a Union. Strange comment for someone who is part of one.

    • @nni9310
      @nni9310 5 років тому +7

      ​@Coleen WestMs West, Baroness Boothroyd was forceful without being rude. She was not bitter nor jaded, but clear in her views. You are entitled to disagree with her, but you should be respectful in what you say and have arguments, not insults, to back your points.

  • @brearleydavid2194
    @brearleydavid2194 5 років тому +5

    Top Yorkshire lass!

  • @VanlifewithAlan
    @VanlifewithAlan 5 років тому

    A pity she was not in charge of the Labour Party. I might vote for them then.

  • @YTPartyTonight
    @YTPartyTonight 5 років тому +15

    I have to wonder how many of the majority of commenters here would have voted for Trump, if given they had had the opportunity to do so in the right place and time I reside in California but I'm a born Canadian citizen from British ancestry. I could easily qualify to live and work in the UK if I chose to. I have keen interests in politics, and policy, as well as current and global affairs. I've tried to follow developments pertaining to BREXIT since the campaigns leading up to the referendum, always in some state of befuddlement about just exactly what the hell has been going on over there. With that being stated, I have to strongly agree with what this woman, or pardon me, baroness had to say. I think what she said was spot on.

  • @MoontownMoss
    @MoontownMoss 5 років тому +47

    When she was 17 £5 would have bought you a farm.

  • @79sammyboy
    @79sammyboy 5 років тому +1

    There is one thing wrong with what she says......... We had a referendum in which the people instructed parliament to leave the EU. Now parliament must deliver and not continue with the status quo. Leave means Leave. However, I would opt for another referendum, but I fear it would be fixed in two ways...... The question on the ballot paper would not include leaving without a deal, and there will be massive voter fraud committed on the remain side. I do thoroughly believe that the vote was rigged the first time around but they didn't rig it enough because they didn't realise that there were as many leave supporters in the UK as they had thought. People in the workplace were telling each other that they will vote remain, but when at the ballots they voted how they really thought. Polls are not accurate indication when asking people delicate questions that can potentially brand themselves as racist or bigoted, but when you can vote in total privacy, peoples gut feelings often shows through as with the Majority leave vote.

  • @nataliemiller6448
    @nataliemiller6448 5 років тому +11

    As an ex-Speaker why no comment about Bercow’s unconstitutional behaviour? Or is it just that he is on her side?

  • @chrisjmirvine4980
    @chrisjmirvine4980 5 років тому +1

    This is why we have a House of Lords! It’s s shame how the average MP in the Commons isn’t suitable to lick her boots. I agree the level of debate that was tabled at the tine of the referendum was pitiful reductive and patronising.

  • @windyworm
    @windyworm 5 років тому +4

    What a wonderful woman!

  • @liamlyons8942
    @liamlyons8942 5 років тому

    Genuinely the first time I've heard a peer speak and actually sound convincing, they usually ummmm'in and arrrrr'in the whole way theough

  • @hreader
    @hreader 5 років тому +3

    SPOT ON!!

  • @voodoodolly
    @voodoodolly 5 років тому +8

    Tell it, Betty!!! God bless Betty Boothroid, i grew up watching Betty on TV. Very intelligent and worldly classy lady!! Thats a real aristocrat right there! Betty for prime minister😬

  • @leonroberts5556
    @leonroberts5556 5 років тому +1

    I have many friends in Europe and they want their own country back they hate the eu and losing identity so they are my friends and always will be, wanting out is not a sin nor will it break my ties with my friends. they hope we get out so it will give hope to their countries to get out too . She has her point and I have mine and mine view is just as important as hers but we won and it should be respected and that's it . THE TROUBLE WE HAVE IS THE REMAINERS DONT WANT IT . IF WE HAD VOTES AND ARGUED EVERYTIME IT WENT AGAINST WHAT I WANTED WE WOULD GET NO WHERE . YOU ACCEPT IT AND GET ON WITH IT AND THATS IT .

    • @vernonbear
      @vernonbear 5 років тому

      So my vote in ‘75 is going to be honoured then? I won. You accept it, respect it and get on with it and that’s it.

  • @BulletBill64
    @BulletBill64 5 років тому +11

    Nigel Farage, May 2016: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." "A narrow remain win would lead to a second referendum."
    Nigel Farage, 2019: We won, get over it, Second referendum would be undemocratic!

  • @johngoogle8635
    @johngoogle8635 5 років тому +18

    but the uk democracy did change its mind, it voted for in in 1975 and for out in 2016

  • @UldisCrystal
    @UldisCrystal 5 років тому +1

    I'm not British but like how she talks and bring a solid stated points in her speech.

    • @craig581
      @craig581 5 років тому

      We've heard it all before though. She uses rehashed terminology.

  • @christophercook723
    @christophercook723 5 років тому +7

    If is the middle word of life. The people have spoken and they need to be respected without fear, favour or personal views.

  • @1972jjb
    @1972jjb 5 років тому +1

    If we do have another referendum, it can not invalidate the one we've already had. Otherwise what's the point? Imagine 'I don't want such and such a political party that just got voted in by free and fair election, can we run the vote again until I can get my way?' No.
    The question is everything. It should be 'No Deal', 'May's Deal' or; 'extend the negotiating process by a final 6 months -with a final 3rd referendum on whether to accept that or we do 'No Deal' by default'. The costs and likely prospects of each option need to be made clear (Yes leaving probably WILL cost us billions in the short term, but as a country we will be more free and I suspect wealthy longer term). The parochial EU and Political/Media class does NOT control the weather despite what they would have us believe - they're only ultimately as good or bad as the overall population under them. Previous generations went through much worse hardship than this like having draft in World Wars -we've got to have some perspective, principle and a spine here.
    Spoken by a former 'remain' voter in his 30's -who has changed his mind ...and like I suspect many others -not the 'change of mind' the establishment media /political class always want to cater for.

  • @mark-yj5sg
    @mark-yj5sg 5 років тому +4

    So does this mean we need to have a referendum every 2 or 3 years so that the future new voters can have their say, The people have chosen to become independent from the EU.

  • @mqhu2857
    @mqhu2857 5 років тому +27

    Such a respectable lady! I admire her!

  • @gamleole9568
    @gamleole9568 5 років тому +10

    Oh, what happens Mrs. Betty if its still an exit, another vote? You can’t continue forcing a second vote until the result suits you. Thats simply not how democracy works.

  • @VaucluseVanguard
    @VaucluseVanguard 5 років тому +4

    Which referendum is Betty talking about? The one in 1975 that said there would never be a EU constitution, an EU parliament, an EU foreign minister, and EU anthem, no qualified majority voting, nothing like a single currency, no suggestion of a European army, no ignoring national referenda, no arrest warrants that applied across Europe, no free movement of low paid workers, nothing like the Schengen area, nothing like the Lisbon Treaty. So all that was lies told by those who wanted us in.

  • @juan-claudewakefield8373
    @juan-claudewakefield8373 5 років тому +21

    I wish she was prime-minister . She is Brilliant . I have great respect for Baroness Boothroyd. :)

  • @stephensmith799
    @stephensmith799 5 років тому +1

    The Leave vote gave expression to a profound cultural shift which arises from the failure of Individual-Competitive (Market) thinking expressed so clearly in the 2007-8 financial crisis. Patronising the people by saying 'you made a decision you did not understand' so you should have another go at making your minds up' will do nothing to halt this cultural shift towards Enclave-Egalitarian thinking and feeling. We know from many terrible historical cases that the Enclave thought style is capable of terrible violence and atrocity. But it is also capable of extraordinary accomplishments in the face of existential threat (defeat of Nazism, mobilization against Climate Change, Civil Rights movements). Although a Remainer, I am set against a second referendum which offers 'Remain' as an option. It makes more sense to work with the seam of this cultural shift to magnify its most generous and inclusive qualities. Jeremy Corbyn sees that leaving the EU may enable much stronger Regional Policy that will prioritise the places wrecked by deregulated global capitalism and free-movement of capital. The EU was meant to do this and in principle could have reduced UK inequality had the British Government (Conservative Party) not looked the gift horse in the mouth. The reason they did not take much EU money was because the ERG hated the benefits of EU membership probably more than they hated the costs.
    No. Corbyn is wise in his opposition to a second referendum, not only as a democrat, but also out of cultural sensitivity to how the majority is feeling.
    If we HAVE to have one (because Parliament is in paralysis) then it should offer a) Norway Plus b) Canada Plus c) the Current Offer or d) Hard Brexit. NOT 'REMAIN'.
    Its not The Economy. 'Its the Culture stupid.' Labour's consultative approach does not show 'lack of leadership'. It is the right one for divining where we go from here. Broadly the political class has been wrong-footed by cultural change. And yes there were lies galore. For my part, I welcome the cultural shift and the end of the 1979 project with its bank-deregulation, the Government-led wrecking of the labour movement, Blairism, the Iraq catastrophe, austerity and all the awful mess that followed. Good riddance to all of that.

  • @LucifersTear
    @LucifersTear 5 років тому +14

    No... Nobody dreamed it... But we were absolutely aware of Article 50 (without a deal) by both sides of the argument

  • @draiguk
    @draiguk 5 років тому +6

    Add onto the 2nd referendum the following choices : keep or abolish the lords. What are you afraid of?

  • @Masood1810
    @Masood1810 5 років тому +11

    Looks like the Brits will need a referendum to decide if there must be a second referendum - that'll be so civic, so bureaucratic - so British too.

  • @denisasokolova3800
    @denisasokolova3800 5 років тому +1

    I dont know her,but briliant speech briliant nice old lady. I like listen older people they have much more experience and probability they are right is preety high.

  • @KIA-MIA-POW
    @KIA-MIA-POW 5 років тому

    Personalities and performance aside, one is instantly struck by the need for drastic parliamentary reform. Appearances are such that many in this house would be very far removed from knowledge of the "average man in the street" but purport to know what is best for him passing laws to control him! Is it any wonder folk have lost all respect for the mainstream parties.

    • @craig581
      @craig581 5 років тому +1

      A distrust in politicians, and we're heading to a distrust in the concept of British democracy. The one thing that keeps peace in this country.

  • @michaeldonovan26
    @michaeldonovan26 5 років тому +1

    we had a democratic vote and it was leave, its all very good to posture such rubbish when remainers, the media failed in practically all area's by with holding and failing to print the truth the people want their country back to be governed by politicians who are not self serving and dishonest, we were the envy of the world now we are disrespected we lost our identity and do not want to be ruled by Brussels

  • @designanddirection
    @designanddirection 5 років тому +12

    Boothroyd saw Germany on its knees after the war when the European Common Market made sense to repair trust between Germany and the rest of Europe. The UK had a referendum to join the Common Market not the federal superstate that it has now become. It makes sense that we had a referendum to leave. Project fear has been very successful in the last two years in scaring the population, whilst May has been given the worst possible deal by the EU, that needs our money and wants to use the UK as an example to any other nation that wishes to leave.

  • @clowncarqingdao
    @clowncarqingdao 5 років тому +14

    Baroness Betty you are a rock star! Thank you.

  • @cliffovski
    @cliffovski 5 років тому +1

    Woah. What a pity that I was only a nipper when she was in her heyday as speaker. Still got it though!

  • @godsolovedtheworld6124
    @godsolovedtheworld6124 5 років тому

    Sorry, but the vote was to leave, not to re vote. So if you have another referendum and the remainers loose, will you want a third one ? It all gets quite ridiculous.

  • @waaqcir7057
    @waaqcir7057 5 років тому +4

    Parliamentary Demogogy has replaced parliamentary Democracy.
    The only way to course correct is suspension of constitution and revertion to full monarchy followed by a national debate on a replacement.

  • @basicsurfer08
    @basicsurfer08 5 років тому +5

    What's the purpose of this chamber ? Yet another waste of taxpayers money, they get £300/ day just for attending!

  • @rickyfullman3357
    @rickyfullman3357 5 років тому

    I actually remember a time when we paid taxes and thought, yeah, not bad. But honestly, why would you pay to live in England now? Truly awful and very sad. I hope on the 29th of March we are allowed to repair our once great nation. But I don't think we will be allowed to leave, sad, very sad.

  • @deniseg-hill1730
    @deniseg-hill1730 5 років тому +1

    Dam good speech, a real politician.

  • @Stephen.Bingham
    @Stephen.Bingham 5 років тому

    Just brilliant!

  • @manofbeard
    @manofbeard 5 років тому

    She may be sharp as a pin, but still another politician who wants to keep voting until we end up staying. We voted and the result is LEAVE. NO DEALS JUST GET US OUT. Stop debating and do you jobs. Bloody timewasters.

  • @PillyXJR
    @PillyXJR 5 років тому +11

    leave means leave we had a peoples vote

  • @mikesnow285
    @mikesnow285 5 років тому +4

    How many people have lived a life like her though? She speaks as if we should all live like her and hold her lifestyle, values and beliefs. The problem with all this is that people don't believe in the same things so whatever way this goes people will be losing out. Wonderful story she tells but this is alot more than that.
    When people like this talk about the youth losing out, they always word it as if they will live the life she did which in a majority won't happen.

  • @brianhewson7779
    @brianhewson7779 5 років тому +5

    Yet another person with an EU pension. People with vested interests should be excluded from the debate.

    • @vernonbear
      @vernonbear 5 років тому +4

      Brian Hewson If they DON’T have a vested interest in it then I’m not interested in hearing them. Every MP, every peer, everyone in fact has a vested interest in this, it’s called our country, our future.
      Beyond that, you’ll find that Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al have all shifted their businesses and tax liabilities either to British Virgin Isles or to Dublin (within the EU) so that their tax affairs remain unaffected. They have horses in this race. Are they to be silenced too? No MP with an offshore or EU based company can be involved?

  • @larry7268
    @larry7268 5 років тому

    Would she be asking for a 2nd. referendum if the result was to stay in the EU? Divorce is often fraught with rancour and frustration. 17.4 million voted to leave, not to leave with a Deal. The problem is Mrs May, who is a Remainer at heart, has handled the negotiations by trying to please everyone. There lies the problem. Claude Juncker was right when he described her approach to this whole sorry affair as being "nebulous".

    • @craig581
      @craig581 5 років тому +1

      As soon as we triggered A50 we should have left on WTO, then we negotiate with the EU from outside. Too late now.

  • @robinjones6999
    @robinjones6999 5 років тому

    She is right mainly, but the eu, has overtaken her thoughts from that visit way back when

  • @remolatsky6478
    @remolatsky6478 5 років тому +4

    saying that not having a second vote is contrary to democracy is all well and good, but you generally have a follow up vote only once a four year term has completed giving the terms of the previous vote to be realized and tested, and then for the PEOPLE to decide once more if they were happy with the terms and conditions and outcome of the previous vote.
    This is like saying you have a vote to elect a leader of a country, and in the period between the vote and them becoming the leader of the country you demanding to have a vote to elect the leader of the country, it's kind of pointless and insulting to those who voted for the leader.
    Also it does not amaze me in the least that the leaders who oppose Brexit, and those who push their globalist agenda, are invariably childless and rich, those who truly do not understand the lives of the regular fathers and mothers that are concerned about putting bread on the table, concerned about the future, and really worried about the safety for their children.
    They live in a different world, yet demand that we put our trust in them, When We Were Not Asked.

  • @tenpammys
    @tenpammys 5 років тому +3

    Thank you, Baroness Boothroyd, but I disagree. I was that younger generation that voted to leave and one of the reasons why is because I respected that the older generation know more than I do.

  • @dan438
    @dan438 5 років тому +1

    Hear! Hear!

  • @DTblocks
    @DTblocks 5 років тому +10

    We are leaving the EU but thanks for your comments m'lady :)

  • @moz7777
    @moz7777 5 років тому +296

    Thats the most luxurious care home I've ever seen.

    • @charliedovlander1269
      @charliedovlander1269 5 років тому +19

      thats because they are honourable people and deserve luxury

    • @peterobbins5801
      @peterobbins5801 5 років тому +15

      How can anyone give a thumbs up on such a stupid comment?

    • @Lobiok
      @Lobiok 5 років тому +5

      !!!! On point

    • @celestes.7187
      @celestes.7187 5 років тому +1

      😂😂😂

    • @tzenophile
      @tzenophile 5 років тому +7

      @Yorkshire Lad Baroness Boothroyd was born to Yorkshire textile workers. But you don't think she represents you?

  • @myolga
    @myolga 5 років тому

    They were not old enough to vote at the time of the referendem, the people who were voted, simple

  • @mariusb5150
    @mariusb5150 5 років тому

    Now that is a deliberation.

  • @arnoldlueders7500
    @arnoldlueders7500 5 років тому

    AND..what happens if the 2nd referendum votes leave??? You cannot call form a referendum and then again if you don't like the outcome.

  • @tinabrown4533
    @tinabrown4533 5 років тому

    I wish she could and live in my world come out of the big house and see what is going on in this country