hey phloop, the limit on the F-16 IRL is set to 9Gs because of the pilot. Simple blood and bone humans can't sustain more than 9Gs over almost any period of time. The airframe is actually rated for about 13-15Gs. PS, I'm glad you're back, I missed you
Nope its the aircraft. If an aircraft exceeds the 9g its almost always an a full on aircraft inspection. Humans could go beyond 9g if needed (a pilot managed to do 14g in an F-16 while evading a SAM).
@@gotanon9659we "CAN" but that doesn't mean we should, at 9G's it takes a lot not to pass out, that pilot didn't pull 14 for more than 5 seconds at the most, he would most likely be dead.
Btw the airbase defense systems really are something You gotta love being able to land on the enemy’s airbase without the AA doing anything (Update in new patch they work SOMETIMES but not really)
Interesting fact, I guess the external fuel tanks have their own fuel starvation mechanic and the plane begins consuming it’s internal fuel when you pull negative G’s.
I'm not sure how it is in warthunder, but the engine shouldnt ever feed directly out of a drop tank. The drop tank just puts more fuel into the internal tank(s) which is then burned. Its how air refueling works, its all linear and through the main tank as a "middle man". If they were not linked through one line, refuelers would have to refuel each tank individually, which would either be impossible or a nightmare. Kinda raises my eyebrow at the "I'll take a burn tank and drop it to shed weight" tactic I think phly used in his fulcrum video(?), since taking 30min internal should be the same as 20+tank of 10, so carrying it externally makes no sense. Just put it internally and burn off the weight initially, but then again I wouldnt be surprised if gaijiggles has neglected fuel mechanics no one cares about, so the tactic makes total sense if gaijin has it modeled wrong... which is totally plausible. In any case, negative Gs on any plane for prolonged amounts of time is bad, engines will start stalling and dying, pressures can go out of wack. I think the only plane I know of off the top of my head that can do inverted stuff for prolonged time periods is the Yak52 since it has an inverted carburetor built into the engine. Irl anyway... gaijin's universe is... well, very gaijin.
@@romeovictor6223 Correct, it does not feed directly from external tank. When inverted and not pulling G's fuel cannot be pushed from the centerline to the wings so it stops transferring fuel. In game they just subtract from internal load/time during that time to simulate that. The engine always feeds directly off of the reservoir tanks on the F16. It will get fuel no matter what the plane is doing. Many different tanks all interconnected into two main pathways.
@@sageg58 it still takes fuckin ages to get to the fight Its boring and just wastes of time Even worse if you are in anything subsonic I had games on EC maps in which I literally never seen anyone for 15min after the match started....
@@wapniak666 that's not an issue. Play arcade if you want instant action. Instant action makes the game hyperactive and imbalanced because it makes some aircraft better than others.
The F16 actually didn’t have to have much g-limits because near Mach 1 the F16A had a compression problem that caused the controls to lock, but it was capable of sustaining 9Gs for a relatively long time
Gaijin add a G-Limit to planes that have it irl to protect the air frame but planes that don’t have it irl are permanently damaged forever. It’s crazy to me that they implemented this to the F-16 and MiG-29 since every super sonic plane got a free pass up until now.
Gaijin even said once, the reason they let aircraft pull more G's then they are supposed to is to make gameplay more fun. And honestly gameplay in these new jets isn't as fun. It feels like I'm flying a f104 even though I'm in one of the most maneuverable planes irl. If it stays like this, the F14B is gonna clap everything when it gets introduced. Cause it doesn't have fly by wire so gaijin allows it to pull 12g. And it can carry aim9l/m and aim7m/h/p. They really need change this.
The G-limiter for the F-16 isn't limited for the airframe, its limited for the pilots safety. Supposedly it can pull 13-15Gs but no human can hold up to that amount of force.
The G limit is kind of funny since Gaijin puts a 1.5x (or something like that) multiplier on airframe G strength for game mechanics and general playability, but not also putting 1.5x G limiter on the 9G limit to make it 13.5 is kind of hilarious.
The 9G limiter was for the pilot, the airframe was rated for 12-15gs. Since the pilot doesn't matter in wt, with the 1.5x multiplier it should be able to pull 18-22.5g's.
As long as you guys leave my SB alone idc what you want, but imo the p51 can only do that many g because your pilot stamina and g tolerance and qualifications get high enough to sustain 9 and from then on you can pull more but you will black out quicker. Anything over 8 your pilot should feel it in game, because it does matter. That's your crew
Would be cool to have a mode thats a 6v6 but have lots of ai (improved/competent) air and ground units spread out. Maybe even some infantry engagements where you need to help out with rockets, bombs, strafing, ect. Sead missions/escorts missions stuff like that it would make the game more interesting and engaging than furball simulator 1,000,000.
In the hangar where it says "There is no armor protection on this vehicle" makes me think who would have guessed that the design philosophy behind the A6M would be so prevalent this many years after WW2? Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, who needs armor when one can jink?
I have seen these aircraft pull off absolutely insane maneuvers irl. It disappoints me to see how sluggish it is in game, even if it is semi realistic at higher speeds.
Its low speed maneuverability is actually fantastic in-game, but in this video he didn't really get the chance to showcase it cause he was going to fast, and every time he did lose his speed he got slapped by a missile before he could get in a good dogfight. I think it's cause RB at top tier right now is basically a 3 minute furball of missiles. Hop into a custom match with some friends and do some 1v1s with the F-16 and you'll see it do some crazy stuff.
Warthunder is a Russian game company. Not a chance in hell Putin is going to allow the F16 to be depicted without a huge artificial nerf with current events. Unfortunately.
Also, your radar scope is set to too small a range! Those EC maps can be 150km across and at high altitudes, players can score missile kills from 80km.
This man is making me go nutty with all these intros involving the Ace Combat themes. I absolutely love all of these recent intros and is making me extremely crave playing some more Ace Combat 6 & 7.
Yeah its funny how quick jet battles end these days. Its one furball in the beginning of the game and 95% of the time the game ends there. I'd love to see a 1v1 mode where we can have a BVR --> ACM 1v1 against another aircraft of similar BR. Would be fun to hone the dogfighting skills.
Another idea: Make each ‘centre’ grid square a capture point and double ticket numbers. Whichever team has more planes in a grid gets the grid, and the other team starts losing tickets. And here’s the thing - it shouldn’t matter if there are 5 more planes or 1 per grid, it’s captured at the same speed. This would discourage furballing, as if you start doing that the other team can just capture 5 grids and win.
@@carrott36 Because if you spread them all out in 1 grid square. I'll slap them in my F-14 using the Sparrow. Even then, I could use TWS and the AiM-54. They wouldn't really know. BVR king is still the F-14 and the F-4J. No doubt. All you'd do is make it where the other nations who are WVR will get smacked. Like, what will some jets do? TWS doesn't activate the RWR warning. And the AiM-54 will pitbull at a max of 16km or closer. And I can also carry Sparrows to make up for the closer range stuff. Especially if they implement no more mixed matches, it doesn't need to historical matchups. But like no more USA v USA + others type of deal. You'd just get to chose, defending the entire time. Or gamble and try to close distance.
Phly the MiG-29 now has R-27ER which are the fastest radar missiles in game, max speed is Mach 5 but realistically it’s just simply on average the fastest missile in game so you should definitely fly it again real quick for a video. Thank you!
G-limits are there for the entire projected lifespan, during real combat babying the plane to keep the bean counters happy isn't a priority, staying alive is = You pull what you think you can handle, it won''t break.
I have now been playing 3 days with the F-16 and its super fun ! I normaly try to bait players to slow speeds and then just dominate them :D There isn't anything in top tier that can out turn f-16 in under 900km/h speed :D One thing I noticed too is that if you have radar lock on the target your AIM-9L's will be more likely to go thru flares.
Honestly im surprised the community whining actually achieved making Gaijin do something good for the game for once. Now if only we could bitch enough about "Statistical balancing" to get them to stop fucking doing it.
@@bpop2148 Trust me I've played for 7 years now. I know as good as anyone nothing good will ever happen for the game unless it involves the Russian tree, and benefits it only.
I made a comment on your Mig-29 Video, you made mention of how Mach 1.2 was surprising & that it’s the fastest you’ve gone without a custom server booster of course, and you should get back to playing Swedish top tier, the new Ja37D is quite nice with the Aim-9Ls, skyflashes we’re nerfed like crazy but they can be worth the pylon sometimes. But the Viggens both C & D can reach Mach 1.2 on the deck with very little issues, some effort needs to be put in, but I find myself going Mach 1.16-1.20 every match if not every other in either of them. Glad to see you’re back and having fun, we’ve needed someone more positive in the community again, War Thunder seems to be having a drop in the friendly players department.
The ADF in the name stands for "Air Dominance Fighter" Hence why is has the ability to carry the AIM-7M whereas it's F-16A counterpart can't since it is the Multi-role variant.
It’s “Air Defense Fighter”. The one in the US tree has the modification package specifically meant for state Air National Guards, basically to intercept Soviet nuclear strike bombers.
Both the F16 and F18 have a system limit, you can damage the air frame by pulling to many Gs, but you can pull more with less weapons, cos you can't really push 7G without ripping off your weapons
so other planes with no system limit cannot damage their airframe? since when has this game implemented this thing properly? and suddenly, they're in this realistic pretense of implementing this thing ONLY on these new planes while mig 23s and f14s and mirage 2000s doing 15gs without any care.
There is a button to disable the g-limiter if shit really hits the fan. It's not a good idea to do it for a long time. But if you fucked up and are about lawn dart into the ground, both planes are capable of pulling significantly more than 9g for short bursts of time.
suggestion for the f-16 homies out there: best turn speeds are 500 to 800 km/h, tending a bit towards the lower half for one circle / scissors etc. and a bit more towards the higher half for two circle / spiral / rate fight etc.
Alright Steve, ill turn the bell on. I've enjoyed your vids for a while now. I like how positive you are even when you die and get bullshitted. The creators who are like "best game when I do something cool" and "shit game when something bad" are so annoying. So just keep being you dawg
I'm not sure how much you know about BVR engagements, but you wanna be as fast and high as possible to get a high probability of kill. I notice you take burner out to conserve fuel, but it has negative effects on the missile's performance It's also worth mentioning that many aircraft suffer structural damage past 9gs it just isn't modeled in-game so the F-16 appears hindered.
Exactly. If they aren’t going to model legit structural damage why the hell would the abide by what the G limiter says is allowed? Terrible rendition of what the F-16 should be doing based on how this games flight models work.
@@Laxa30 ikr,previous jets like f5C were pulling a lot of Gs,it was silly but ok for the game,but limitation on this and mig29 are just absurd,either make them all stiffer or let them be free as birds
@@stevenortiz9008 they NEEDED to add the realistic G limits at some point. The F-5 can pull like 13Gs in war thunder but will literally pull its wings off at 7 irl... The F-16 has a hard G limit of 9Gs. It wont allow you to pull more, and thats what the limit should be in game too.
@@Jacksonflax Also even if an aircraft can go past 9G's IRL that doesn't mean any pilot out there is going to remain conscious for more than a couple of seconds at those G loads.
@@Jacksonflax IRL F16s can definitely pull at least 9Gs. The AF Thunderbirds have their G-limters modified (higher G tolerances for their aerobatics) and several of their stunts have them performing 9G maneuvers that last anywhere between 5 and 10 seconds. The limiter is more to protect the pilot than to protect the airframe.
*[PhPh Request]:* Been over 2yrs, so I call for a return of our beloved "Officer Locust" (M-22).... *_OR..._* debut a NEW character! 😏 For example: SOME say, *you* drives _heem..._ ...And det he was inspiration for convertible Lada _(da, even hayve same comfort-ride suspension pyeckage)..._ He _is NOT_ Stig! But is Stig _SOVIET COMRADE!_ Play the *_ASU-57_* AKA *Ofitser Kriket* ⭐😎 _"Bewk heem, Dima..."_ _(Officer Cricket in RUS)_
Phly, you've brought back the "Everybody" intro right? Well, there has been a certain song kinda stuck _In My Head_ phor a while that you could also bring back! Attempt # 473 The song i mean is Virtual Riot - In My Head (feat. PRXZM)
Also, the mig 29 wasnt built to go up against the f16 on its own, both nations wanted a high low mix of aircraft The f15 and su 27 need to come in next
The new map with the big canyon I played on that map low br but there where so much fog like underneath the fog you can only see 100 meters of land it was cool though to technically fight in the dark chance of hitting each other was so high
Phly how do you feel about the 9G limit, I get they’re trying to do realism but they really took away the maneuverability of it, unless your low speed, and also doesn’t warthunder have a multiplier for that kind of stuff because 9G limit for war thunder imo will destroy a plane’s performance
All planes have G limits. Why is Gaijin only "enforcing" it on the F16? Unless they're telling me that Phantoms and Migs were normally capable of pulling 16G turns. If they're going for realism, fine, but put in limits across the board. Mig 29 pulls over 9G? Wing rip.
Hey it would be cool if you could make a video about the F-4F Late variant specifically as it versus these top tier vehicles and lacks radar guided missiles and all aspect missiles so i though it would be funny to see a video on you trying the F-4F late out :D
You may already know Phly, but on the Dev Stream they stated that both Italy and US would "receive another fighter if it is ready." Obviously I imagine many US mains did whine and complain, but it wasn't necessarily Gaijin giving in to those complaints and giving this fighter out of thin air. Besides, the F14 still reigns supreme and I think you should take it out to curb stomp.
Y’all gotta look up vids of growling sidewinder playing dcs he does 1v1 duels with modern jets and he explains the strengths and weaknesses of both jets.
God, I wish that I can have the money to up my tech tree I missing three planes before I can even start researching the F 16 I’m really bummed out I know I will take forever to grind up to the F-14
Honestly buddy best advice. Buy a decent premium plane like the f5 and get 3months of premium. You will have both the f14 and the f16 by time your premium has expired.
@@ZackBadCompany1234 here’s a question will the research be 50% for Christmas as well? Or is that only for parts. That would be awesome if they allow you to pay and golden eagles to finish up things in the research tree and give you the half off discount as well
@James Hopkins I wish but no. I believe it's only a SL discount. So all the RP is the same. Bur FYI. It's about 15,000 ge to fully research and get all the important modules unlocked For 1 top tier vehicle. That's if u own the preceeding vehicle.
i have a feeling that pulse doppler radar is not working correctly in game, you can notch the radar without even the ground clutter behind you. or is it just because its older tech idk
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*LATE NIGHT PHLY ONCE AGAIN*
MIDDAY FOR ME
Let's get more of it!
Australia says otherwise
Santa Phly comes early
Btw you need to set some keybindings (Radar/IRST tilt control axis) to actually look up or down with the radar.
Warthunder needs to add the wing Vapor for pulling high G’s. You’d get all the right feelings for a dog fight if they did
That would cause a ton of lag
Yea that would be sick
@@Miles26545 toggable ofc
@Miles H maybe on a potato from 2006??
Hoping in like a year or two they will. Just take notes from Project Aces on that one.
hey phloop, the limit on the F-16 IRL is set to 9Gs because of the pilot. Simple blood and bone humans can't sustain more than 9Gs over almost any period of time. The airframe is actually rated for about 13-15Gs.
PS, I'm glad you're back, I missed you
Nope its the aircraft. If an aircraft exceeds the 9g its almost always an a full on aircraft inspection. Humans could go beyond 9g if needed (a pilot managed to do 14g in an F-16 while evading a SAM).
@@gotanon9659we "CAN" but that doesn't mean we should, at 9G's it takes a lot not to pass out, that pilot didn't pull 14 for more than 5 seconds at the most, he would most likely be dead.
@@gotanon9659 The IRL limit also changes based on weapons you're carrying
Then why in game can we pull 14 g’s and shit in other planes????
@@Ken-no5ip i pulled a 12g in a P51 mustang before
Btw the airbase defense systems really are something
You gotta love being able to land on the enemy’s airbase without the AA doing anything
(Update in new patch they work SOMETIMES but not really)
Can you fix and refuel on enemy airbase?
@@Hasio-Maszkietnik no but you can land and basically toy with the enemy when they need to rtb
That would be funny tho
@@ecllipsezxc774 aight 😆
Why don’t the aa missiles do anything sometimes? They don’t lock on and most of the time don’t even work.
This has happened to me 3 times already this update, maybe the nerfed the AA? It seems every time I get close though they start shooting away so idk
Interesting fact, I guess the external fuel tanks have their own fuel starvation mechanic and the plane begins consuming it’s internal fuel when you pull negative G’s.
I'm not sure how it is in warthunder, but the engine shouldnt ever feed directly out of a drop tank. The drop tank just puts more fuel into the internal tank(s) which is then burned. Its how air refueling works, its all linear and through the main tank as a "middle man". If they were not linked through one line, refuelers would have to refuel each tank individually, which would either be impossible or a nightmare.
Kinda raises my eyebrow at the "I'll take a burn tank and drop it to shed weight" tactic I think phly used in his fulcrum video(?), since taking 30min internal should be the same as 20+tank of 10, so carrying it externally makes no sense. Just put it internally and burn off the weight initially, but then again I wouldnt be surprised if gaijiggles has neglected fuel mechanics no one cares about, so the tactic makes total sense if gaijin has it modeled wrong... which is totally plausible.
In any case, negative Gs on any plane for prolonged amounts of time is bad, engines will start stalling and dying, pressures can go out of wack. I think the only plane I know of off the top of my head that can do inverted stuff for prolonged time periods is the Yak52 since it has an inverted carburetor built into the engine. Irl anyway... gaijin's universe is... well, very gaijin.
@@romeovictor6223 Correct, it does not feed directly from external tank. When inverted and not pulling G's fuel cannot be pushed from the centerline to the wings so it stops transferring fuel. In game they just subtract from internal load/time during that time to simulate that. The engine always feeds directly off of the reservoir tanks on the F16. It will get fuel no matter what the plane is doing. Many different tanks all interconnected into two main pathways.
Interesting fact: "I guess"
Fun fact the jet has an hour of fuel without external tanks
@@theboothy91 average flight time is about that yes, depends on the mission of course. Usually they always have wing tanks or a centerline.
If you ignore the flaws of EC maps, they really are very beautiful and immersive.
with drop tanks coming it should be bearable at top tier and make it actually nice
You have lots of time to admire them, as you travel 5000000 kilometers
what flaws, theyre needed 10.0 and above
@@sageg58 it still takes fuckin ages to get to the fight
Its boring and just wastes of time
Even worse if you are in anything subsonic
I had games on EC maps in which I literally never seen anyone for 15min after the match started....
@@wapniak666 that's not an issue. Play arcade if you want instant action. Instant action makes the game hyperactive and imbalanced because it makes some aircraft better than others.
The F16 actually didn’t have to have much g-limits because near Mach 1 the F16A had a compression problem that caused the controls to lock, but it was capable of sustaining 9Gs for a relatively long time
Gaijin add a G-Limit to planes that have it irl to protect the air frame but planes that don’t have it irl are permanently damaged forever.
It’s crazy to me that they implemented this to the F-16 and MiG-29 since every super sonic plane got a free pass up until now.
Gaijin even said once, the reason they let aircraft pull more G's then they are supposed to is to make gameplay more fun. And honestly gameplay in these new jets isn't as fun. It feels like I'm flying a f104 even though I'm in one of the most maneuverable planes irl. If it stays like this, the F14B is gonna clap everything when it gets introduced. Cause it doesn't have fly by wire so gaijin allows it to pull 12g. And it can carry aim9l/m and aim7m/h/p. They really need change this.
+on the Tornado's
@@nickwanrooy6130 if You would dogfight a F-104 in a Tornado, if would feel like its a Zero and not a Starfighter
@@dontkev3001 pencil vs brick
The G-limiter for the F-16 isn't limited for the airframe, its limited for the pilots safety. Supposedly it can pull 13-15Gs but no human can hold up to that amount of force.
The G limit is kind of funny since Gaijin puts a 1.5x (or something like that) multiplier on airframe G strength for game mechanics and general playability, but not also putting 1.5x G limiter on the 9G limit to make it 13.5 is kind of hilarious.
Sir this is RB not ace combat
@@toxickilljoy9037 nope, they put it on planes in RB. Hence why a P51 can pull 12 g's.
The 9G limiter was for the pilot, the airframe was rated for 12-15gs. Since the pilot doesn't matter in wt, with the 1.5x multiplier it should be able to pull 18-22.5g's.
As long as you guys leave my SB alone idc what you want, but imo the p51 can only do that many g because your pilot stamina and g tolerance and qualifications get high enough to sustain 9 and from then on you can pull more but you will black out quicker. Anything over 8 your pilot should feel it in game, because it does matter. That's your crew
Would be cool to have a mode thats a 6v6 but have lots of ai (improved/competent) air and ground units spread out. Maybe even some infantry engagements where you need to help out with rockets, bombs, strafing, ect. Sead missions/escorts missions stuff like that it would make the game more interesting and engaging than furball simulator 1,000,000.
Bro just play enlisted
@@Arthur_Neves enlisted has nothing to do with that
this sounds like dcs
@@David-hi8zw he's right, what this guy is talking about is too large a scope for warthunder - too different a game
@@addisonm6465 I mean yeah but not everyone wants to play a sim. And these are very different experiences lol.
You should do more air RB videos, I love them!
I agree, I’m just reaching the level where RB is much more fun and rewarding for me so to see him do it would be fun.
When I first logged on after the update I spent 10+ minutes looking at the F-16 and all of the different versions.
F16’s afterburner just hits different…
F16 as a whole just hits different
@@CAPTTIGHT230 F14B engine?
@@OutlawOneOneSummit the F14B uses the F110 engine. The F16A uses the F100, you are thinking of the F16C which shared the engine
In the hangar where it says "There is no armor protection on this vehicle" makes me think who would have guessed that the design philosophy behind the A6M would be so prevalent this many years after WW2? Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, who needs armor when one can jink?
Ehhhhh its more like the leopard 1 design philosophy, that being why bother with armour if it isn't going to help us anyway?
In planes, you just get hit by missiles which WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANE, or very high caliber guns where armor is irrelevant
WW2 isn't really a great comparison to more modern jet combat tbh
I kinda had the dame thought before but hey, with or without armor if a missile hits you're done
I have seen these aircraft pull off absolutely insane maneuvers irl. It disappoints me to see how sluggish it is in game, even if it is semi realistic at higher speeds.
I guess you can in war thunder with a hotas and sim but then just play dcs
These also r older versions than the F16C and newer versions of it
Its low speed maneuverability is actually fantastic in-game, but in this video he didn't really get the chance to showcase it cause he was going to fast, and every time he did lose his speed he got slapped by a missile before he could get in a good dogfight. I think it's cause RB at top tier right now is basically a 3 minute furball of missiles. Hop into a custom match with some friends and do some 1v1s with the F-16 and you'll see it do some crazy stuff.
Warthunder is a Russian game company. Not a chance in hell Putin is going to allow the F16 to be depicted without a huge artificial nerf with current events. Unfortunately.
I'm counting down the days until the release the f-18. I used to think it would never happen but here we are with the f-16, really can't wait
F15
You pay this money scheme?
@@GrabbaBeer of course. I must feed the snail
Also, your radar scope is set to too small a range! Those EC maps can be 150km across and at high altitudes, players can score missile kills from 80km.
The sound you make when you dodge that missile @8:50 😂
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmwweeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh
This man is making me go nutty with all these intros involving the Ace Combat themes. I absolutely love all of these recent intros and is making me extremely crave playing some more Ace Combat 6 & 7.
Ace Combat's Daredevil and that sunset-colored sky with that iconic silhouette of the F-16
BEST INTRO!
love the use of Daredevil Phly. it's good to see WT becomes more and more like AC every expansion.
Yeah its funny how quick jet battles end these days. Its one furball in the beginning of the game and 95% of the time the game ends there. I'd love to see a 1v1 mode where we can have a BVR --> ACM 1v1 against another aircraft of similar BR. Would be fun to hone the dogfighting skills.
Another idea: Make each ‘centre’ grid square a capture point and double ticket numbers. Whichever team has more planes in a grid gets the grid, and the other team starts losing tickets. And here’s the thing - it shouldn’t matter if there are 5 more planes or 1 per grid, it’s captured at the same speed. This would discourage furballing, as if you start doing that the other team can just capture 5 grids and win.
Play some sim if you're I'm the mood for drawn out emersive gameplay. Matches usually last a full 3 hours and it's super intense.
And most of your fights are going to be 1v1 dogfights in Sim too
@@kennybewley4420sadly it’s super hard to play with mouse and keyboard afaik
@@carrott36 Because if you spread them all out in 1 grid square. I'll slap them in my F-14 using the Sparrow. Even then, I could use TWS and the AiM-54. They wouldn't really know. BVR king is still the F-14 and the F-4J. No doubt.
All you'd do is make it where the other nations who are WVR will get smacked. Like, what will some jets do? TWS doesn't activate the RWR warning. And the AiM-54 will pitbull at a max of 16km or closer. And I can also carry Sparrows to make up for the closer range stuff.
Especially if they implement no more mixed matches, it doesn't need to historical matchups. But like no more USA v USA + others type of deal.
You'd just get to chose, defending the entire time. Or gamble and try to close distance.
Phly the MiG-29 now has R-27ER which are the fastest radar missiles in game, max speed is Mach 5 but realistically it’s just simply on average the fastest missile in game so you should definitely fly it again real quick for a video. Thank you!
The AIM-54 will go faster since it’s got a good 300 m/s more delta V, but yeah realistically the ER has got more speedy
Christmas really came early again with all these daily vids, we love you Phly
Average War Thunder community advice on dodging AIM-7M: just notch bro
Shhh they will tell u that u are lacking skill dont dare raise your voice up or they will bash u in the head till dead .
Because they are a bitch to dodge
You can't notch it lol
@@lilMungo i turn away from the missile and chaff. Works usually unless youre going head on with the missile
@@JustElijahRS f16 has the most modern radar in game
G-limits are there for the entire projected lifespan, during real combat babying the plane to keep the bean counters happy isn't a priority, staying alive is = You pull what you think you can handle, it won''t break.
I have now been playing 3 days with the F-16 and its super fun ! I normaly try to bait players to slow speeds and then just dominate them :D There isn't anything in top tier that can out turn f-16 in under 900km/h speed :D One thing I noticed too is that if you have radar lock on the target your AIM-9L's will be more likely to go thru flares.
OMG the start of the video with the Daredevil beat drop gave me serious chills
Honestly im surprised the community whining actually achieved making Gaijin do something good for the game for once. Now if only we could bitch enough about "Statistical balancing" to get them to stop fucking doing it.
That won’t happen 😂
@@bpop2148 Trust me I've played for 7 years now. I know as good as anyone nothing good will ever happen for the game unless it involves the Russian tree, and benefits it only.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 I mean tbf they did remove the R-73s so that was pretty nice
@@CallMeMark_then they add r27er
The game is not balanced
Mig 21s are fighting mig 29s and f16s and more rank 6 aircraft as well
4:21 that's exactly how i play the F-14. climb to angels 20 over the airfield and then pop off all my sparrows
Now they need to bring out the F-15.
F-15C with AMRAAMs would break the game.
I made a comment on your Mig-29 Video, you made mention of how Mach 1.2 was surprising & that it’s the fastest you’ve gone without a custom server booster of course, and you should get back to playing Swedish top tier, the new Ja37D is quite nice with the Aim-9Ls, skyflashes we’re nerfed like crazy but they can be worth the pylon sometimes. But the Viggens both C & D can reach Mach 1.2 on the deck with very little issues, some effort needs to be put in, but I find myself going Mach 1.16-1.20 every match if not every other in either of them. Glad to see you’re back and having fun, we’ve needed someone more positive in the community again, War Thunder seems to be having a drop in the friendly players department.
Phly barking dogfight like a golden retriever 😂 he’s like play? Play? We gonna play? DOGFIGHT!
the dogfight speed is around 350-450 knots
usually if you manage into a dogfight missiles become much less effective bc the angle is too high
The ADF in the name stands for "Air Dominance Fighter" Hence why is has the ability to carry the AIM-7M whereas it's F-16A counterpart can't since it is the Multi-role variant.
It’s “Air Defense Fighter”. The one in the US tree has the modification package specifically meant for state Air National Guards, basically to intercept Soviet nuclear strike bombers.
It also has a very basic air to air tracking HUD and the worst radar of any F16 in the game, so yeah I'd want this defending my air for sure
0:00 first time playing that map? Bro I get that map 24/7 with props too.
Both the F16 and F18 have a system limit, you can damage the air frame by pulling to many Gs, but you can pull more with less weapons, cos you can't really push 7G without ripping off your weapons
so other planes with no system limit cannot damage their airframe? since when has this game implemented this thing properly? and suddenly, they're in this realistic pretense of implementing this thing ONLY on these new planes while mig 23s and f14s and mirage 2000s doing 15gs without any care.
There is a button to disable the g-limiter if shit really hits the fan. It's not a good idea to do it for a long time. But if you fucked up and are about lawn dart into the ground, both planes are capable of pulling significantly more than 9g for short bursts of time.
Oh man the daredevil playing on the background with new texture makes this Ace Combat Series again lmfao
Watching missles come at you and leaving your afterburner on hurt my brain.
Radar guided missiles don't care about AB.
You can see clearly he has some skill issue, phly should play with DEFYN to learn a bit of air RB
Yeah, it's the worst possibble thing you can do if it's infrared.
honestly, while phlyin' this plane, it feels like arcade battle
When you say; "Let My Tankers TANK"
but Gaijin be like; "Did Someone Say Ace Tunder!?"
suggestion for the f-16 homies out there:
best turn speeds are 500 to 800 km/h, tending a bit towards the lower half for one circle / scissors etc. and a bit more towards the higher half for two circle / spiral / rate fight etc.
Alright Steve, ill turn the bell on. I've enjoyed your vids for a while now. I like how positive you are even when you die and get bullshitted. The creators who are like "best game when I do something cool" and "shit game when something bad" are so annoying. So just keep being you dawg
i notice one thing with F16 that can be my imaginary but if you will change flaps from raised you will turn slower
I'm not sure how much you know about BVR engagements, but you wanna be as fast and high as possible to get a high probability of kill. I notice you take burner out to conserve fuel, but it has negative effects on the missile's performance
It's also worth mentioning that many aircraft suffer structural damage past 9gs it just isn't modeled in-game so the F-16 appears hindered.
Exactly. If they aren’t going to model legit structural damage why the hell would the abide by what the G limiter says is allowed? Terrible rendition of what the F-16 should be doing based on how this games flight models work.
@@Laxa30 ikr,previous jets like f5C were pulling a lot of Gs,it was silly but ok for the game,but limitation on this and mig29 are just absurd,either make them all stiffer or let them be free as birds
@@stevenortiz9008 they NEEDED to add the realistic G limits at some point. The F-5 can pull like 13Gs in war thunder but will literally pull its wings off at 7 irl... The F-16 has a hard G limit of 9Gs. It wont allow you to pull more, and thats what the limit should be in game too.
@@Jacksonflax Also even if an aircraft can go past 9G's IRL that doesn't mean any pilot out there is going to remain conscious for more than a couple of seconds at those G loads.
@@Jacksonflax IRL F16s can definitely pull at least 9Gs. The AF Thunderbirds have their G-limters modified (higher G tolerances for their aerobatics) and several of their stunts have them performing 9G maneuvers that last anywhere between 5 and 10 seconds. The limiter is more to protect the pilot than to protect the airframe.
I think the F-16 vs MiG-29 debate is summed up well by this quote from a F-15 demo pilot: "The F-16 only has one engine"
*[PhPh Request]:* Been over 2yrs, so I call for a return of our beloved "Officer Locust" (M-22)....
*_OR..._* debut a NEW character! 😏 For example:
SOME say, *you* drives _heem..._
...And det he was inspiration for convertible Lada _(da, even hayve same comfort-ride suspension pyeckage)..._
He _is NOT_ Stig! But is Stig _SOVIET COMRADE!_
Play the *_ASU-57_* AKA *Ofitser Kriket*
⭐😎 _"Bewk heem, Dima..."_ _(Officer Cricket in RUS)_
Phly: "This map is phenominal!!!" Exact opposite of what I thought when I got it at a 4.7 BR with the Corsair, even at 8.7 it still sucks.
Phly, you've brought back the "Everybody" intro right? Well, there has been a certain song kinda stuck _In My Head_ phor a while that you could also bring back!
Attempt # 473
The song i mean is Virtual Riot - In My Head (feat. PRXZM)
shes a turnfighter. the instantaneous turn rate is not that good but around 3-400kts shes unmatched
1:52 ahh yes a fox 1 having its own tracker. man YOUR are the tracker
they should add a gun only mode.
Go play props
i like how you using ace combat 7 soundtrack in preview
I love you Phly. I LOVE watching your videos, and listening to you as you play. Just wanted you to know :)
Also, the mig 29 wasnt built to go up against the f16 on its own, both nations wanted a high low mix of aircraft
The f15 and su 27 need to come in next
Love the AC7 music
i love how at 00:10 the caption reads: War Tinder
Keep up the good work phly! phenomenal work it is! (got the bell and subscribed phor ya) im still at lower teir planes but still phun to watch!
Best comment epher
I just cant wait for the more advanced F-16s to be added, could carry more missiles, wingtip Aim-7Ms and have more hardpoints.
The new map with the big canyon I played on that map low br but there where so much fog like underneath the fog you can only see 100 meters of land it was cool though to technically fight in the dark chance of hitting each other was so high
2:14 Team X-ray's day has been made 🤙
Phly how do you feel about the 9G limit, I get they’re trying to do realism but they really took away the maneuverability of it, unless your low speed, and also doesn’t warthunder have a multiplier for that kind of stuff because 9G limit for war thunder imo will destroy a plane’s performance
What
@@AugmentedGravity what are you confused about
All planes have G limits. Why is Gaijin only "enforcing" it on the F16? Unless they're telling me that Phantoms and Migs were normally capable of pulling 16G turns. If they're going for realism, fine, but put in limits across the board. Mig 29 pulls over 9G? Wing rip.
What I’m trying to say is it doesn’t make sense to me that they put a 9G limit on the F-16 when the F-14 can pull 12 Gs when IRL it had a 6-7G limit
F-16 and MiG-29 compresses extremely hard compared to other top tier jets
The canyon map at 14:39 is a map i like when i play jets but not when i'm using prop plane to grind up a line, wo it can for me be both fun and boring
Good ol Phly. I still think back at the times I would join custom battles and do stupid shit with ya on stream.
17:02 why didn’t you flare?
Hey it would be cool if you could make a video about the F-4F Late variant specifically as it versus these top tier vehicles and lacks radar guided missiles and all aspect missiles so i though it would be funny to see a video on you trying the F-4F late out :D
do you happen to know the name of the track? cuz i dont even know how to begin looking for it, there are so many ace combats lol.
bro got straight to the point on which ones better
You may already know Phly, but on the Dev Stream they stated that both Italy and US would "receive another fighter if it is ready." Obviously I imagine many US mains did whine and complain, but it wasn't necessarily Gaijin giving in to those complaints and giving this fighter out of thin air.
Besides, the F14 still reigns supreme and I think you should take it out to curb stomp.
Y’all gotta look up vids of growling sidewinder playing dcs he does 1v1 duels with modern jets and he explains the strengths and weaknesses of both jets.
Ace Combat moment
be mindful of throttle when dogfighting in F-16, it'll slip right under you and you'll play drag racing game instead xD
God, I wish that I can have the money to up my tech tree I missing three planes before I can even start researching the F 16 I’m really bummed out I know I will take forever to grind up to the F-14
Honestly buddy best advice. Buy a decent premium plane like the f5 and get 3months of premium. You will have both the f14 and the f16 by time your premium has expired.
@@ZackBadCompany1234 Disgusting advice.
@meatcamp yea u gotta drop $150 bur if the guys wanting his fastest way to get to the top. That's it
@@ZackBadCompany1234 here’s a question will the research be 50% for Christmas as well? Or is that only for parts. That would be awesome if they allow you to pay and golden eagles to finish up things in the research tree and give you the half off discount as well
@James Hopkins I wish but no. I believe it's only a SL discount. So all the RP is the same. Bur FYI. It's about 15,000 ge to fully research and get all the important modules unlocked For 1 top tier vehicle. That's if u own the preceeding vehicle.
i have a feeling that pulse doppler radar is not working correctly in game, you can notch the radar without even the ground clutter behind you. or is it just because its older tech idk
Attempt 375:
Play the forgotten Mig-9 and show everyone the power of the original 23-37mm Vodka Jet.
Please phly
He just came back, give him a break.
Finally, missile knows where it is
PH-16
Its was nice to hear daredevil from Ace Combat 7 playing in the opening, great taste in music.
1:44 tbf, bvvd said that the US was going to get a second F-16 for the update while the dev server was still open
Everybody: *Complaining about the AIM-7M*
Gajin looking with the AMRAAM:
The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't....
"Dogfight!"
_[proceeds to not slow down to raid speed]_
BRO WATCHED THIS GUY HIGH AS HELL MAN THIS IS SO COOL WITH HOW GOOD HIS GRAPHICS ARE. yo Phly plz what ate u using for settings and graphics
The missile knows where it is
was a f16D mechanic for 2.5 year so i really exiting for this !!
10:45 - Should have played the music for Tom Gun - Maverick. Watch those SAMs!
do more air RB because gaijin has some serious BR work to do
Phly you should’ve used it’s combat flaps so it can pull harder
Thé fact that in the intro he only has 90k silver lions is kinda hilarious
There's a new Viggen btw which gives you another reason to play the Viggen.
The lack of Jeremiah Weed with the Viper makes baby Dos Gringos cry
bro at 10:53 you shed some real fing wisdom on us
actually made me LOL thanks man ez sub and bell
I'd also be very surprised if you weren't high
really nice video. could you pleas show your camera settings? I mean the camera filters.
I can’t wait until the f35 comes out. I’ll probably be waiting 3-5 years but it would be amazing to see.
This map hits diffrent with that soundtrack, stick with trigger and you will live
10/10 video, love your stuff. Keep it up man
Merry Christmas phlyDaily ❄️
The F-16's missile is like a Mexican mom with a slipper.
nice ace combat daredevil intro
Love the intro with ace combat music lol
The Ace Combat music gets me everytime ^^