Power Armor - Is It Practical?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Short video talking about the merits and applications of exoskeletons and power armor. Power armor can be seen everywhere in scifi, from Warhammer 40k and Halo, to District 9 and Fallout. It certainly has its uses, but in the ways that people usually think.
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talking about having not enough defence, have you read about WH40k Orks faction? their power armor is so thick, that, after a blast to the chest, they only need help in one thing - standing back up))))
The one thing you always forget that the soldiers are still human and don’t respond well to wearing/ carrying heavy armor/ equipment. Ex-Soldiers have said that they don’t want power armor and that it’s a terrible idea but that exoskeletons wouldn’t be too bad.
Spookston i could see power armour used as super heavy guards.
Put 10 dudes in power armour outside a big ammo dump and no one wants to go there....
Or as a middle respons for when a normal APC is too little, but tanks are too much and it cant be blown up by drones or cannons.
Hey Spookston what’s your opinion on augmented soldier’s and ODSTs
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I think ground combat drones will be in service before power armor becomes combat ready.
The big problem with power armour and exo suits is a portable power source. When that's resolved power armour will have its own role on the battlefield.
@@thejonathan130 Wireless power could be used if the power armour is deployed in a defensive role that keeps it close to the source.
Besides ,unmanned machines tend to be hackable
@@michaeljohn7275 Currently, yes. When they're controlled by self-contained AI that have nothing external to link? Hard to say.
depends on your definition of a drone. If your using the most basic of basics, then I'm pretty sure we already have ground drones. It isn't hard to make a RC car and put a gun mount on it. If your talking an AI controlled walking robot then I'm not sure about that one.
“Tell that to the covenant”
The quartermaster soon after walks up to some elites and tells them, and they are so horrified they kill him in terror
*attempt to kill him
The quartermaster is indestructible
@@darthplagueis13 Indestructible object, and also dont have a hit box (the thing that sense if the object is hit or not)
When you return to the armoury later, you've only caught the tail-end of his conversation with the Covenant.
Elite: Wort wort wort!
GS: Yeah well I just had several suits fried by you bastards.
Elite: Yeah, so?
GS: You know how expensive that gear is?
Elite: Not as much as one of these plasma rifles! Yeesh all this crap is pretty much worthless. How are you even winning with this?
GS: Get the hell out of my armoury you split-lipped bastards!
@@stylesrj Because most object outside of specific situation don't have hit box which firing at each other is pointless.
@@user-ro9zf9kz1h
Hey, keep your fancy understanding of how the game renders NPCs out of this! It clearly was just a conversation Master Guns was having with those Elites before things turned violent, because those guys insulted his armoury.
I mean Gunny was already in a bad mood from not getting an invitation to the medal ceremony...
Does this mean we might see some Everything Wrong With The Power Armor in X Franchise videos?
Perhaps
@@Spookston would be great if you do.
@@Spookston everything wrong with the combat jacket from edge of tomorrow
@@Spookston do it mate, though power armour is pretty much what you said it'd be used for, you secretly a soldier?
@@killian9314 those seemed pretty useless
"power armor would be..."
*revv's chainsword*
"only for indirect combat."
*_HERESY!_*
He does not know the glory of melee combat!
PURGE THE HERETICS IN HOLY FIRE!!!!
It is better to die for the Emperor, than live for yourself!
HempMasterNinja ILL GET THE BANE BLADE
sounds awfully like tau
You know how expensive this gear is son?
NO!
Tell that to the covenant
You will be staying on duty for 510 years!!!
*literally just holding a gear*
1 milion dollars, along with the 4 cents the guy is actually worth., it's quite a sum. So they better bring back. Know heroes, do it by the numbers and on the bounce.👍
There also the fact that power armor could protect against two major causes of death in battle.
1) Shrapnel
&
2) Concusive Blast Waves
-This basically makes artillery useless unless the power armor takes an almost direct hit.
I suggest you look up marauders from starcraft 2 and their special "gel"
Armour-plates, along with kevlar-suits equipped with fire-retardant layers, I'd dare say would make the power-armour practically impervious to all small-arms and incendiary weaponry.
It doesn't make artillery useless, but it would reduce effective blast radius somewhat. Power armor that can withstand 155 mm shell blast at fairly close distance will be impractical for a while. Nevermind that artillery and bomb technologies may advance as well.
@C. Caner Telimenli well there is a bio mimic in the works that will mimic how the skull combats concussive hits. It uses a liquid/gel dampener. This would greatly help power armor, but would be complicated and expensive for tanks and bunkers
why are you suppressing food from the public Artillery is useless, it hasn't kept up with modern times since in a realistic scenario a ground attack aircraft would most likely obliterate it, and having AA emplacements to protect it or hiding it carefully isn't going to work out since various types of detection exist. Artillery now is to suppress far inferior enemies with cheap expenses.
The only derivative is the Motar since it isn't cumbersome and is far flexible in where it can be deployed.
0:25 “it supposedly allows you to endow ordinary people with super human capabilities” or in warhammer’s case, give super humans even more super human capability.
Same with halo
i mean...there is the power armor for human inquisitors
@@meganobgutzkraka2398 And SOB
@@FinALIEN93 you mean bolter bitches?
One of my favorite instances is a Grey Knight in terminator armor that punches a cultist, and turns him into red mist.
I disagree with the armor on the exoskeleton part. Rifle rated armor can get light as hell, even today. 10” x 12” uhmwpe(ultra high molecular weight polyethylene) armor plates only weigh about 3 lbs. You could probably cover most of the body with armor and only have it weigh about 30lbs. For a regular soldier, that armor impedes mobility and 20 extra lbs is a lot, but with an exoskeleton that weight and mobility decrease could be completely neglected.
A US Marine wearing MTV with a normal approach march load can clock in over 100lbs. Even just removing their backpack, the MTV with plates inserted will weigh around 30lbs just by itself.
the extra weight of the exolect makes the soldier less agile on its own
Lighter armor plates suffer from the drawback of increased bulk to compensate for the material used and the inability to stop steel/tungsen penetrator rounds from intermediate-high power rounds. The Sizeand profile a realistically viable power suit would make would draw the fire of crew serviced and anti tank weapons requiring the ability to stop .50 cal at a MINIMUM. This would require high end ceramic tiles or even ERA
@@elderjose9662 then add booster jets
@@Americanbadashh
It wouldn't help at all since the jets, in addition to being noisy and requiring a LOT of fuel, would act as boosts and would take a while to lift a weight off the ground, as well as making the control even more sloppy, the real physics doesn't work like a video game.
Honestly I think Halo is one of the most realistic interpretations of humanity's future in terms of technological and political development in a mainstream sci-fi setting (barring some silliness with the Scorpion and Warthog designs).
I don't know about that. 500 years in the future and they are still using 7.62 NATO ammunition for their rifles, which is already starting to become outdated in the real world, and is expected to be replaced with 6.8 mm ammunition in the near future. Imagine us using musket balls in our assault rifles. Cannons on armoured vehicles also fire APCBC shells which was already outdated in the 1950s, and has since been replaced with HEATFS and APFSDS shells.
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 most amazing thing about it is the fact that the UNSC had the capability to make MAC small arms (as shown in Halo Reach) and other things like advanced shielding technology and they used in a supersoldier project instead of using in their artillery and motorized infantry, also, they didn't even think about out right using covenant weaponry and reverse engineering those, dude, till this day both sides of a conflict tend to confiscate the losing side of weapons, ordnance and stuff, ok, the lore patch up most of those things, but still doesn't add up.
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 they were in a golden age, no need for better weapons if you're not going to use them
Henrique Souza
1) expensive
2) expensive
3) covenant tech took a VERY long time to be reserve engineered, they still don’t know how the needler even work it has no moving parts.
4) covenant weapons are very big and difficult for average marines to use, also when they run out of ammo where you gonna recharge / refill them?
Well, we are talking about a space fairing race, 500 yrs in the future which didn't developed their technology beyond ours, considering the humans in Halo lore practically stagnated in 2050 but somehow developed fusion energy and faster than light speed, because nowdays we are developing caseless rounds, 2D materials, we have some active protection and other things which somehow are way more advanced than what they have, it's not wildly available but I guess most of it will be in the next 30 years or so, they only exception is the faster than light travel and everything related to it and the Spartan project itself, which indeed it's far more advanced, but it is somehow explained in the lore that the UNSC wasn't actually a military force as much as it was a colonial and space lane peace keeping force (more likely enforcer, but ok), so they are somehow forced to use dated weaponry to cut costs and prevent escalation, and for what it seems it's reasonable functional for the intended use, untill the covenant arrive, by the time they didn't had the possibility upgrade their military doctrine and industry so they used what they had in hands until the end when they came with the infinity class ship and other things more in line with the time period.
Power armour, or atleast some kind of exoskeleton based suit, could also be used to increase soldier's mobility and deployment potential.
A power armoured infantry man would tire much slower than a normal human, be capable of jumping far higher and surviving falls from greater heights, operate in environments that currently require far too heavy equipment to be worth it, lift/avoid/smash trought obstructing materials and possibly even just move faster. Maybe not car speed fast, more like between sustained jogging fast and Usain Bolt fast, but it would still be an improvement.
For faster speed without seriously breaking something cybernetically enhanced or genetically engineered Space Marines such as I, Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman Victrix Guard, Guilliman student, possible next Chapter Master and possible heir to the title of Lord Regent (the last two are highly heretical speculations done by other people), would be needed.
At first I read it in my normal voice untill you went I cato sicarius then I read it in your characters voice from tts.
The First Primaris Cato Sicarius why will you try to smash things? Just carry more explosives.
@@LOL-zu1zr Because explosives have an higher risk of collateral damage. Also I was thinking about ramming open doors and the likes, not smashing pieces of concrete debris.
@@LOL-zu1zr Because he has experienced it in Ultramar with when *I CAST FIST*
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 If they are hurt by an explosion as collateral damage, they are probably heretics
Humans - Is it Practical?
No
Boi, are you Zuckerberg in disguise?
@@Spookston yeah we really aren't built for combat are we...
No
They feel pain,fear
they need to be fed
they need good living conditions,while a robot won't complain once about being stacked on a pile
a robot won't complain about being sent on a suicide mission
it won't also complain about shooting civilians
@@robob4465 won't complain about shooting it's own kind
don't have a family and such
How about crysis type body armor. Like an extra. Layer of Muscle?
Could work pretty well
@@Spookston it would protect form small arms fire (like the protection west already do/ .50 cal and up should be still a problem) increase your strength and your endurance beacuse of the redirection of kinetic force around your body, through the extra muscle tissue. heat could be easily dispersed due to the inceased surface, and can stabalize your body when harmed (like broken libs can be splinted by the exomuscles), and it could still be operational even when big parts of it is destroyed and potentially can be carried by the pilot even with total failure. Or at least removed from the pilot without power.
The parts where it doesent work so well are already shown in the game
@@pcb_404 True, the crysis power armor is more of a hit and run special operations suit.
Perfect for Spec ops and stealth operations.
MAXIMUM STRENGTH
The added carry capacity could solve the weight issue of most OICW programs.
Tbh, modern electronics have probably already solved a good half or so of the weight issue of the OICW... a smartphone has many times more power as the behemoth 1990s electronic package on the OICW. Not enough to make it viable, but still.
@James Harding Ammo and the weight of a combined grenade launcher/rifle, yeah, which is why it would still not be viable without a powered suit.
First the power armor, then the bolter. I like the way you think.
@James Harding actually nanites like a insect will crawling random around body
@@Guy_GuyGuy The XM29 still has the issue of its grenade rounds technically being a war crime and also the size of the grenade launcher limiting the size of the actual rifle.
Fun fact about the power armour in the Fallout setting. It is a spacesuit, with an exoskeleton. Then they just strapped armour to it and decided to try it out in combat situations. Originally however, it was part of the Enclave's space program. Just like the vaults, the plasma research and a lot of other weird things in that setting.
What is your personal opinion on energy shields?
What about robotized infantry?
I mean, how far into the future do you want to look? What about a super smart AI? Smarter than all humans combined and it's also immortal, what about that?
I'm not Spookston but the former is a case where if we make anything that actually works like typical sci-fi in terms of coverage per power consumption and portability it's probably a good idea, and the latter is a case where if we make anything that actually works like typical sci-fi in regards to its overwhelming need to kill everyone it's probably not.
Point defense is far more practical than energy shield. A personal turret shooting down bullets is technically possible with advanced enough electronics.
As to robotic infantry, the biggest issue atm is power. But eventually it will be solved. I mean, humans exist, eventually we'll figure it out.
@@Horesmi How do you plan to "shoot" incoming MG fire? What kind of technology would that involve?
The issue with energy shields is the sheer amount of power needed to keep said shield up.
Short answer: It depends if it's practical or not.
Long answer: There are a variety of factors such as power supplies, internal safety, affordability, training, power to weight ratios, effectiveness compared to the same price's worth of other troops, weapon carrying capacity, protection and implementation of a tactical and strategic level. Just as some tanks are practical and others aren't, so too are some types of power armour. They also offer benefits that go beyond stats on paper such as morale boosts when paraded in friendly cities, ease of use as heavy lifting tools behind lines and so on. Also, training someone to use power armour would be easier than training them to use a tank since it mostly revolves around motions they're already experienced with.
Warhammer be like “that’s heresy”
E̶l̶e̶c̶t̶r̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶o̶w̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶A̶r̶m̶o̶r̶ *genetically engineered powered anti-heresy machine*
@@lithiumvids9448 thats a good description of space marines and dreadnoughts
In the realm of 40k, not only does the power armor offer its wearer added strenght and endurance, the wearer himself suffered through an extensive and grueling biological engineering process that allowed him to become a behemoth, almost like a roaming tank amongst other infantry units while having similar agility.
To be fair, they say that to anything.
40k armor is easily one of the best examples of PA in fiction. Additional strength, additional protection, inbuilt system with auto sealing devices for damage and medicine and combat stymulants injectors. And then all the various patterns that are present, from gravis to terminator
Imagine a soldier that can carry IFV weapon systems.
You get almost all the benefits of a lightly armoured vehicle with the added benefits that a man can move through just about any terrain and be easily concealed.
On top of all that, I'd love to have a way of not rolling my damn calves while carrying my 85+lbs of gear.
I think armor capable of handling autocannons goes more into the realm of light mechs, but yea that is a plus
I also think if the power armor have a system to make controlling firearms recoils a piece of cake. I can see them holding handheld M2 browning or even 20mm autocannon in a Squad support roles.
@@Spookston I'd say the line between power armour and mech is: if the power fails, can the soldier still move himself to safety? Fallout 4 is a good example of this.
IFV weapons are so large that an exoskeleton that can carry them, their ammo and withstand recoil would be a mech, with all the benefits and drawbacks that implies.
An exoskeleton can't be as fast as a tracked vehicle on level terrain nor as well armored. The weaponry and frame get so large, that "easily concealed" becomes a very relative term. If you need to bring a literal metric tonne of weapons through difficult terrain, sure.
@@stephens7136 Realistically, a soldier can't really move any meaningful distance with unpowered power armor that offers a significant protection or armament advantage. Merely the weight and bulk would be a problem, nevermind possible hindrance of unpowered or damaged joints.
This was uploaded at 4:20am aest and is 4:20 long. Very nice.
Hmm. I was figuring it would be an advancement to the 15th century knights in armour. That stuff was evenly distributed and allowed full motion. So adding an endoskeleton to up armour and strength would be a no-brainer. I think its plausible as soon as we get a working portable power supply.
Thats really the main bottleneck of everything right now, the power source. The actual devices (ie: power armor, energy weapons, force fields, etc) are all available with current and even very old technologies, the problem is that even with the absolute best and most energy dense power portable storage devices currently available you get at best a few minutes run time, often more like only seconds.
We basically need a battery the size of a soda can that has the output of a reactor the size of a small city. :/ We aren't quite there yet.
@@grayeaglej Plus it has to not blow up when shorted out.
@@grayeaglej force fields? with what tech?
@@A2BEDFH34F Most ive seen rely on electro magnetic fields or plasma.
@@nopushbutton Well you are no fun.
are you going to collaborate with "Potential History"?
Perhaps at some point, if he's down for it
'Ere we go boys, he's said it. Now we wait
@@xmlash234 For 40.000 years, we will wait brother
I was literally wishing for you to make this video earlier yesterday.
Nice video. I can see a future for power armor in the future too. Especially for special troops.
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 lmfao you know how expensive a well trained soldier is? Not only for their equipment but also their training and time for training... you know why tanks go out of their way to protect their crew? Because it’s better to loose the tank then it’s crew. Same thing goes for power armor.
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 bruh if you really think drones will completely make infantry obsolete you are brain dead. And as there are less and less infantry their lives will be worth more and more... like I already stated soldiers lives are worth more than the tech they use. That’s why yanks are made to protect the crew... and I don’t know if you knew this but body armor is much less expensive then a fuckibg tank yet tanks are still used...
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 bruh I just said how it won’t make it obsolete... how tf do you expect to operate a drone with jammed signals??? “Complex motors and electrical arrays” lmfao you know what else used complex shit? That’s right missiles and the army is all for throwing those out for one time use.. you should make better arguments then “it’s complex” lmfao fuck off
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 and your argument of motors getting damaged is the exact same as tank tracks yet I don’t see those going anywhere lmfao gtfo
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 drones will Never phase out infant unless there is some fucking massive advancements and as such power armor will also not be obsolete... as long as infantry exists power armor also will
Depending on it's actual cost to produce and maintain it might end up seeing a role similar to the Power Armor in the fallout series as strength and dexterity of models increases.
That role being to provide heavy fire support at a squad level.
Kinda, Fallout power armor was used like a mix of heavy fire support and one manned tank. They were throw in the Frontlines to be like one manned tanks and shoot everything.
I am glad that you mentioned carrying capacity. My dad was an army ranger, and he had to have surgery on both of his shoulders when from all the weight he carried on his shoulders of over the years. I learned latter that this was a rather common issue for infantry. If exo-skeletons can help prevent soldiers from going through the same health issues as my dad did, then I am all for it.
the thought of a Soilders running about with .50cal mgs and 40mm Auto GLs are pretty scary
Space Marines
@@MrOiram46 That's .75 cal
@@eyeballpapercut4400 i thought it was .998?
It would be a heavy support unit for Infantry.
Eyeball Papercut the size, yes, but because of the technology it’s made of, it’s more like a miniature automatic rocket launcher
*sees Halo CE playthrough*
Now I need a montage of Spookston playing CURSED HALO
Powered armor could also give the wearer increased speed and maneuverability. And as humble 0311, I can attest that those attributes are pretty damn attractive.
As a fellow 0311, load bearing powered armor makes me wanna cum. Because I hate running in full kit with extra shit thats "mission essential" that I never used
@@derekmensch3601 EXACTLY!!!
@@ottovonbismarck7646 it is the most infuriating thing. I would literally kill for powered armor
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 I legitimately don't know what you are trying to say. But an actual working exoskeleton would be nice.
@@thefullmetalmaskedduo6083 thats why I said an actual working good one. Like not the ones we have now.
"Indoor tank" has also been my assumption for the last couple of years.
I like the idea of Fallout's Power Armor. It's not meant to take rockets to the face, but instead carry large ordinance. In my mind, I could imagine soldiers in power armor being sent in cities/townd rather than a tank. It has the capability to withstand small arms fire, but is agile and small enough to handle infantry hiding in urban environments. They're practically removing a tank's weakness in urban environments as the tank no longer even needs to be there.
Could you do a video on the tanks of Destiny ? like the Drake, the Goliath, and the Fallen Walker ?
Would really appreciate it :)
Yup
@@Spookston thank
@Spookston Thanks alot :)
@@Spookston I really wanna know what you think about the Drake's turret in particular. Really tall profile aside, I kinda like how it can elevate like a conventional turret but depress like an oscillating one, kind of like an unmanned version of open-top turrets. Provided you don't get shot in the breech when looking down at something, that much seems solid.
@@Spookston and then we never see it
I mean, infantry being able to carry miniguns (even if not hip firing) would give infantry units significant advantages in terms of firepower without the need for big vehicles
Miniguns fire 2000-6000 rounds per minute. The amount of ammo you would have to carry would be immense.
A rapid firing explosive gun would be way more viable honestly in that context. Handcarried miniguns are not really useful. The ammo consumption outweighs the usefulness by a long shot.
@@InsaneLordEL thats what the exoskeleton is for
Having more carrying capacity only means that they will strap more shit on top of a soldier, the back problems are a staple of the military after all we can't allow some pesky power armor get rid of that
@@stefan020290 That or a heavy machine gun like an M2HB or a DSHK
@@stefan020290 maybe a..bolt? Some sort of Imperial gun used to massacre heretics ?
Overall, it depends on the universe and readily accessible technology. Right now, we still have a lot to figure out, however in a place such as Halo it seems doable.
Ok
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@@roboticbob1.016 powered exoskeleton armor so we can saying is a very important devices for protection too
"the short answer is yes"
FOR THE EMPEROR/BROTHERHOOD/
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
There are actually a few major disadvantages you overlooked with power armour.
A suit of power armour would make it very difficult to treat a wounded soldier. If an operator was hit by a round that successfully penetrated his/her suit, a medic would have to first remove the victim from the suit before the wound(s) can even be operated on. This would waste valuable time, as the victim is at risk of bleeding out.
A suit of power armour would also suffer the problem of reliability that you mentioned with mechs. There are a lot of complex parts that make up the suit, which would make it prone to malfunctions. What if the suit locks up while the user is inside it? What if an EMP goes off nearby?
I'd imagine they would be engineered with emergency disassembly for that exact reason. Sure, it would be a theoretical weakspot in melee, but hardly be an issue with squadmates around.
But they are solution to those problem, the armor itself could give first aid, we already used self healing material for helicopter rotor, so a sealant that automatically seal the wound on breach is in the realm of pssibility.
We also can't make realistic guess on the reliability because we actually have no idea what technology or part will be used, for example an artificial, we have no idea how futur artificial muscle will look and how hard they will be to maintain change and how reliable they will be, hey futur vehicle could even be even to look like living organism, with a lot of complex part that are not that reliable, but redundant and constantly repaired and maintained by fleet of small robot. A tank could cicatrise damage or even get sick.
@@benjamin1359870 Self sealants are not self repairs. They just plug holes. It will not fix the actual damage. It also will not fix internal bleeding. This requires human intervention. There is a solution though, and that is having the suit be able to open up much like Tony Stark's Iron Man suit, allowing easy access for medical personnel.
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Of course that would require a lot more moving parts to complicate the suit, and what do you do when the suit cannot open due to a malfunction? Oh, but technology will just get better and better. First of all, how would it get better? And second, would this argument not apply to Spookston's criticisms of mechs?
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 Yeah they plug hole, if you plug an hole that someone have. It stop bleeding, the sealant is for the men not the armor. If the armor is the one giving the first aid, you don't need armor to be easy to remove for medic. They are also way to make armor that quickly disassemble it self, modern plate carrier have a simple cable that you need to pull out that completely disassemble the plate carrier you could simply make something similar maybe with small explosive, there is also the strong possibility that everything capable of piercing the armor will always kill the wearer. You don't need to think about making the armor easy to remove, if 99% of people that get their armor pierced die.
Not it might not, artificial muscle are more complex, but they don't really have more moving part it's a whole new paradigm different than how traditionally create and exploit mechanical forces. A human being is more complex than any machine we have either build and yet it is extremely reliable.
Brotherhood paladin: I A M D E A T H
I N C A R N A T E D
NCR Ranger & Railroad Heavy: *Laughs in Gauss and amour piercing rounds*
Big iron hip
In our world sure.
But in fallout universe, that amount of casualties from BOS would never happen in the first place as power armor can withstand a Chinese laser tank, a chimera is what they called it. A single man armed to the fucking teeth wearing a power armor that can withstand a shot from a tank can easily fought off a hundred man army, especially if that one man has been trained to kill in his entire life and the other party are full of of canon fodder for the frontline and only a few can give a good fight to the one man army.
Hell if I were to be a little optimistic, just a few talented and skilled BoS Knight can wipe out regiment or at least a battalion of NCR troops, as our ww2 history has already proven that a group of soldier with undying will to fight can win the battle(or stall it enough for them to kill hundreds or thousand of them) against an army, but can't win the war unfortunately for them. I try to find what battle was that.
@@lordhoboofsavior36 They couldn't properly maintain their shit. Hell, in F3 and NV when you join and get a suit it's nearly broken.
@@cmdr_kai2492 please don't compare gameplay with how the Lore works in reality in their universe(not ours).
You're might as well said a drug addict with 100 stimpak can out fight a power armor knight with a wooden stick because the game allow it.
I think Power Armor would see extensive use in Urban combat roles, seeing how it's basically a miniature tank that can go in and out of buildings.
imagine going to war and seeing a US Marine slapping people with an M2HB while he wears Master Chief armor
Slap*
@@fulcrum2951 I mean slapping. I'm using the present tense
fuck you i want to run around in SALAMANDER GREEN THICCNESS BABEEEEEEEE!
his armor has MURICA! on the side
You forgot to mention that they can be used for multiple, simultaneous and devastating defensive deep strikes
"Will likely make the wearer slower and less dexterous than a regular person"
Spartan - II's and Space Marines - "Are we a joke to you?"
Well if its space marine terminator or centurion then yeah, he is not too wrong
@@valhalanguardsman2588 a terminator or a centurion is not meant to be dexterous really get in bash shit up and others will clean up, they are shock brute force breaktrough units.
@@gergokerekes4550 also they don't need to, they'll simply shrug off anything you throw at them unless it's a lascannon
@@gergokerekes4550 not all terminators tho, they sometimes sent to space hulks to destroy them mostly but sometimes to recover knowlege.
Exept assault terminators on their own, then yeah you are right.
Centurion arent made for destroying enemy, or at least thats not their main function, they are either made for breaking through fortress walls or fire support, and ship destruction
The thing is both of those armor types tap either directly into the users mind or their nervous system, allowing it to act literally as another part of the body. For instance, in 40k there are suits of armor that dont require the black carapace but they are much slower and more cumbersome than a proper astartes suit due to the lack of interface.
Power armor in fiction does get one thing right: once it becomes widespread, they'd be what's called on to be the spearhead of any infantry assault, much like tanks were used during WWII. Having a mobile hard point and, as you said, something for the enemy to focus on instead of the crunchies, would make them invaluable for taking prepared positions.
Exosuits have been out of the experimental phase and pushed into the prototype phase in field applications already for military use. Within the next decade or less we will likely see it in different applications involving special forces as standard issue for these specialized groups. Their benefits won't come how we see it in scifi as these suits that turn the wearers into near robot/cyborgs though. The three focuses they will revolve around are endurance, enhanced strength and stability, and physical redundancy. The first will enable movement, even in rough terrain to be enhanced significantly and when combined with individuals in the military that are already trained and condition to do this means more drop point options without worrying about troop fatigue, especially when carrying heavy weapons and the supply packs. Which brings us to the second point, heavy weapons and supplies. Right now it is not practical for every troop to carry something like a SAW or dare I say larger weapons too. They are large, unwieldy, and takes conditioning that most are not familiar with as they carry their light m16/m4's around. However the suit would eliminate that problem and enable larger weapons, thus more firepower, to be the standard and not a specialist functioning as a force multiplier among the squad. And since you will not be feeling the weight of the large packs carried by military the same way as before, you can carry better and more supplies allowing longer field time. Lastly, if a troop is wounded, with practical field medic work they can still function relatively efficiently where as before, they might slow things down and even become a liability as they might otherwise not be able to move. If you are shot in the leg for example, you might need to be carried or you will be limping with a makeshift crutch, or have a dangerous stop gap measure that makes movement difficult, scenarios like that would be mitigated now. I will note what we have do offers better protection to be used than standard kevlar vests, they are not made to turn you into a walking tank.
So while it might be a very long time out before we get armor and suits that are meant for melee combat enhancement and offering troops protections comparable to armored vehicles, the other practical uses for them are there and we do have different powering mechanisms that can support such functionality. Right now it is determining the durability of said power sources in the field that is the biggest issue, not the power being supplied from the sources we have chosen to use.
Funny, the ideas you gave about the practical use of power armor reminds me of how power armor was described as being used in terminal entries in Fallout 3; being used to carry heavy materials, as well as keeping soldiers going for much longer than what would normally be feasible, among other things.
Now that I think about it, it’s really starting to occur to me how different Power Armor is now in Fallout than it was in the earlier games, having gone from high tech armor like that of Halo, to more like human sized mechs.
i have to HEAVILY disagree here.
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"it wouldnt make them compleatly bulletproof so there is no point for infantry to wear this." WHAT??
having a suit that gives you more lifting capabilitys; stamina and armor that "only" increases your survivability by a relatively small margine sounds like an amazing deal to me (any ex/serving infantry men out there that would say no to a bit extra protection??)
hell you say so yourself later in the vid when it comes to the combat engeneers. why would the infantrist be less gratefull for the extra protection?
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not only would extra carrying capacety allow heavy weapon squads to carry and fire much heavier guns at a much increased accuracy (recoil compensation of the armor) it also opens up the possibility of shield soldiers (you know guys lugging around shields strong enough to stop common infantry firearms and protect those behind them?)
He also mentioned diminishing returns....it's a give and take scenario
You can slap a ton of armour on something then watch it stand still or Jack up the strength and speed and be destroyed by a much cheaper and easily deployed explosive
Buy you can't have it all
Not to mention all the other gear that would have to incorporated to make it functional....heating,cooling,some kind of power plant, communication....each piece can add up quickly and some just can't be miniaturized that much to make it man portable
A walking shield....maybe....a Jack of all trades...no way
@@donneale7555 in real life what the film theory matpat saying that we can't stop buying stuff and well i'm guess wall-e bnl ceo are mastermind
@@nichsa8984 ....I'm sorry, could you clarify what you mean for me please.
I just want to understand your point of view
So basically Fallout got the use pretty much spot on.
Before the nukes dropped United States employed power armor troops as infantry equivalent of a breakthrough tank- a hardened steel spear tip to punch through a gap and let the regular infantry pour in. Basically what tanks do, but on a smaller scale and allows you to do it in places tanks couldn't ever hope to get to.
They also equipped combat engineers and such for the protection it gives while dealing with explosives without hindering dexterity.
And bc the power armor offered significant protection against A.B.C. exposure, power armor troops were able to conduct operations in heavily contaminated areas without risk of casualties.
Warhammer 40k Guardsman: "Yes Inquisitor, this Heretic right here."
>Power Armor - Is It Practical?
*Laughs in Mobile Infantry*
but what about using them as heavy shock troopers? and do you think the fallout power armor concept could be made?
personally with a power supply THAT small? hellllllll no that's hiroshima 2.0 waiting to happen any second
@@meganobgutzkraka2398 human cannot holding plasma rifle too heaviest need exosuit and robotics has hydraulic arm
Even if power armor is iterated upon to the point where it becomes immune to most small arms fire, I still think the most likely direct combat use for it will be specialized forces, especially those who rely on esoteric means of transport (SDV, airborne, etc). A big problem with airborne troops (and to some extent SDV-borne troops as well) is their inability to carry heavy ordinance, which makes them reliant on ground forces for backup if they come up against armor or entrenched infantry. Heliborne infantry gets around this in conventional warfare by virtue of helicopter gunships and general fire support from their transports, but in COIN ops helicopters are very vulnerable to small arms fire and entrenched/hidden infantry firing RPGs. Helis can't kill something if they can't see it, and generally if they see it it's too late.
Therefore, giving specialized infantry power armor allows them to carry greater quantities of ammunition and more ordinance while retaining the nuance available to ground troops. Less collateral damage and greater psychological impact on the enemy are two especially important effects for COIN ops specifically. In effect, late-generation power armor will give traditionally "light" infantry the power of an IFV spread out across an entire squad with the ability to clear buildings and limit civilian casualties while doing so
The common problem about these "practical" arguments is that we all judge how "practical" these techs are base on our current techology. Like this thing weighs too much that thing consumes too much power etc. We're making the same mistake people in the past made. The French didn't think airplane would play a significant role in warfare and they got anihilated by the Luftwaffe. The German invented jet engine but didn't think they're practical until it was too late. Now we have jet fighter flying 3 times the speed of sound. You can't really predict what the future, so these kind of arguments are kinda pointless
I sort of agree with your statement but The French has a huge “do what we did last time” syndrome. These are the guys that thought tanks can’t go through wooden areas. German jet planes although would be superior to Allied aircrafts, they still wouldn’t have been practical to use even if they used them earlier as they are going to need rare materials and will also use up oil which Germany lacked. There is a big difference between ability to make them effective and cost to make them. You can’t predict the future but you still need to know where you are at. Trying to brush off practical problems with “Oh we COULD be able to make a breakthrough because there were two instances of countries trying to think practically and it didn’t work for them” is blind optimism. Be optimistic about things but be realistic.
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Just hope your power pack doesn't die. Even space marines in 40k struggle when they loose power.
Thats a borderline heretical statement
@@AnnicK.Zoloft But a true one. With a power pack of the power armor brought out of operation, tactical marine is slowed down by unresponsive actuators and other stuff, while terminators are all-but-paralyzed.
As always, love your videos spooks
Hm. Very interesting.
I sure do love the designs of these things.
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One major advantage a powered exoskeleton could offer for infantry is stabilized mounting for heavier automatic weapons, or weapons with specialized roles that tend to be more taxing on the carrier (like AT).
Additionally, powered exoskeletons might make maneuvering through urban areas more safe and easy for dismounted infantry, which is particularly valuable for large nations gearing up for near-peer conflicts.
Aw dang where's my space marine boarding party?
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!
Breaching buildings and tanking damage for infantry is the main function of Power Armor "Maxes" in Planetside 2.
If power armour becomes real, I'm joining the military
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE MADE THESE EXACT POINTS TO MY FRIENDS seriously this video is perfect
Modern ANN's (
artificial neural networks) are already quite good at recognizing faces and possible dangers an enemy combatant may provide (like a weapon in his hands). And they're able to do such things way, way faster than human brain can. Combine this with a good camera/sensor array, and someday "smart" power armor will probably be able to save its operator's life by forcefully moving his body away from danger zone even before the operator can realise anything. In fact, "smart" power armor models made in future specifically for war purposes could include assisted aiming and/or compensated shooting too. "Best" case scenario, you just push a button to make your power armor go in a "paranoid mode", then continue walking forward, and your gun snaps to the enemy position right when he shows himself... you just have to consciously take responsibility and pull the gun trigger.
Powered armor may include built-in defence from all kinds of things non-power-armored soldier may struggle with: gas-filtering, instant eye shader protectors from flashbangs, noise dampener. Regular soldier may or may not have such defence options too, but he will waste precious time applying them on himself.
Also, increased mobility. There are a lot of types of power armor in fiction, but some may include options, not available for a combatant, who doesn't have this power armor in question. Wheeled boots, Integrated climbing tools, zip-line hooks, parachutes, etc. Maybe even serviceable jetpacks.
With how fallout 4 kind of dealt with power armor with an underlying exoskeleton could make sense if the exoskeleton was developed for more civilian jobs such as lifting and moving things and all that and the military got into a desperate position where they needed something that could lift something heavy (aka big weapons) and mount armor.
Fallout 76 even has some civilian exo-armor - namely, the EXC-17 Excavator suit.
Always good to see a video from Spookston
Imagine if there is a power armor made out of graphene it would be extremely powerful to give you the perspective composite armor which is used in power armor has a tensile strength of 1.8 giga pascal while graphene has a tensile strength of 130 giga pascal it would be tanky enough to withstand a 20mm Vulcan round which deals 53000 joules
Whats funny is Xenonauts, a spiritual successor to X-COM, addresses a lot of your same points on power armor, while also adding its own.
Anyone wearing it lacks the dexterity to wield anything smaller than a Light machine gun, their mobility is hampered, and their cone of vision is hit horrifically, but it is EXCEPTIONAL at breaching rooms, and considering they virtually replace troops with Assault shields in this Capacity that is notable.
Found your videos with the mechs vs tanks really enjoying the content
power armor also allows soilders to carry larger caliber guns to take out bigger targets
Never watched any of your content before. 20s in I've laughed out loud, liked the video and subbed. Great work.
Depending on the power armor what's mentioned in the video applys only to certain degrees. Fallout style power armor would act as is said (slower and less dexterous, but extremely tough) however if the power armor only offers a minor loss in speed and/or dexterity but a relatively large amount of protection (100-200 bullet resistance, so it can take aproximately 200 standard issue rifle rounds before one hits the wearer) the it simply becomes standard infantry equipment. It's just better than the standard infantry armor, and so is given to infantry to perform all the tasks they do nowadays.
another benefit would be the secondary effect on ennemies.
if a certain amount of your infantry do use power-armors with good overall level of protection, it will force the ennemy troops to either increase the amount of penetrating ammunition in their dotation, or either scale-up their calibers (wich, in both case, will force them to deal with a lot of additionnal issues, such as cost, total ammo load, logistics, etc...).
Honestly, Fallout 4's interpretation of power armor seems fairly realistic. Large and bulky, yet capable of tanking hits and augmenting the user's strength.
Yeah, the main focus of Power Armor in Fallout was meant to be able to carry heavy weapons into the field.
Since fuel are scarce in Fallout world, they had to limit tank usage.
I think its slightly too large and bulky to be practical, especially in close quarter combat, also that they're flipping loud
@@CrazyDutchguys well, they're not designed to be stealthy, keep in mind, and they're not really designed for CQC either. Which is primarily the reason the entirety of the US army wasn't equipped with it. Aside from the obvious cost of manufacture.
@@CrazyDutchguys Those armored troops aren't meant to be stealthy.
This is why the Chinese in Fallout universe made a optic camo Stealth suits to counter the Power Armor.
I think it'd work well as a replacement for the 2-3 man machinegun crews. It'd be able to move the whole setup with one soldier, shoot on the move, and quickly deploy itself if you're digging in behind sandbags. Throw some hardened armor plate onto the front, and suddenly you can trudge through light arms fire.
A medieval armament expert suggested that an introduction to Power Armor in infantry would somewhat return something of the ornate heraldic motifs of medieval knights. Like how we somewhat have had with aircraft and pilots.
me and some guys actually discussed power armor practicality. we said that it'll be mostly used in urban combat where everything is close range enough that vehicles and artillery can't enter the picture, and also bomb defusal, though we didn't talk about it being used in riot control.
the other thing we talked about is the materials used to make the actual armor, and someone mentioned something called "Ethylene armor" which he said quote "makes a .50 look like a 9mm". I don't know how true that is, but someone else also said that steel alloys are better than titanium alloys. someone else also said, "Put tiles between layers of fiber glass and resin +some good padding and exoskeletal support and you can take 7.62 to the chest withtouth feeling it".
another thing was how the armor would be powered, though this discussion didn't go very far. two options were brought up for power: miniature nuclear reactors, or a kind of battery that can hold a lot of charge, while being small and compact enough to not weigh the user down. It'd be nice if it were also safe enough to not explode violently if it were to get damaged, but another person said it was not likely to be the case. They suggested the battery could be mounted on the back of the armor like blowout panels on tanks so the explosion would not hurt the wearer of the armor, but anyone unarmored behind the guy is probably gonna eat the explosion, sadly.
I see power armour as a way of improving the stealth capabilities of a dismounted soldier. It can provide a platform for mounting colour and temperature changing panels to provide visual, and infrared stealth capabilities. However the cost effectiveness of that sort of tool is limited, and would only be used by special operators, and possibly mountain/alpine soldiers.
Having a exoskeleton that would allow you to carry a bit heavier armor/gear/ammo than currently, would be a great a benefit. It doesn't have to be some ridiculous amount like on video games, instead having the current level of armor cover larger area of the wearer than today. That would already be very useful in urban warfare in addition to the endurance benefits. Dexterity doesn't necessarily have to decrease at all. In fact, if the exoskeleton takes more weight off the wearer, it's going to improve. With such kit you would be able to do something very simple like keep up your firearm for hours without getting your arms tired, not to mention the decrease on recoil. From personal experience I can assure you that you are not very dexterious under the current 20~30kg of kit. And it would also be useful elsewhere if there was way to power that armor for a longer period. Mechanized infantry could charge their armor when sitting on their vehicle.
I think that cod advanced warfares AST is the best depiction of a real power armour
In Macross the power armor is a good design as its a supplement to pilot suits. They also allow for full EVA outside of the craft. Its the EX Gear from Macross Frontier.
Also the usage could be to allow heavy weapon usage or mobillity/deployment at key positions or simply allow multiple varied weapons from AR to RL's on the move or extra munitions in addition to main weapon.
With the power requirements being in the range of multiple *KILOWATTS* to have even a decent amount of added strength, nuclear batteries are literally the only way that these requirements can be met without having to have a huge, heavy battery that needs to be recharged every couple hours. Power armor has little issues preventing it from becoming a reality otherwise, the servo technology is there as seen with compact PMSMs and axial flux motors that can produce torques in excess of 900 NM at extremely small sizes, with the only caveat being incredibly high power consumption.
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That increased carry capacity and endurance brings up an interesting question: can oversized weapons become practical when using, and potentially necessary against, exoskeletons and powered armor.
I'm thinking mainly in the department of "Using a 30mm Mk108 aircraft autocannon like an automatic rifle." Sort of thing. If your armor + power source + exoskeleton is 250 kg or something, and lets you deal with recoil more effectively, you may have the ability to wield some pretty crazy weapons. 2nd is that power armor, even with no especially advanced armor tech, could very likely stop anything in the 5-8mm rifle round category that isn't some sort of miniaturized HEAT or APFSDS round. And could probably stop 14.5mm blacktip in all but the weakest parts of the arbor even if it's just steel. But it won't be just steel. The stuff is bulky enough to possibly justify the use of a complex mix of ceramics, glass, steel, kevlar anti-spall liner, depleted Uranium or tungsten, and potentially even graphene, diamond-like material, or carbon nanotubes. Overall, that will give at least twice the protection per mass of steel with up to 10x for something like graphene.
That gag at the beginning with the quartermaster asking the prophets if they know how expensive the power armor is... That was great.
Good vid overall
I like how you normally talk about -practical technology we have currently and is easily foreseable- instead of losing yourself in speculation about all the possibilities.
I could see power armor be useful for amfibios assaults by providing soldiers better protection against zeroed in artillery, while (assuming it balanced more for speed and maneuverability) getting soldiers off the landing craft and to cover faster.
Sniper and Recon by using powere armor with sensors or maybe just an exoskelton you could scout out an area before hand or use it as a sniper to focus on targets and find them..
Power armor is basically a motorized armor. The whole point is to be able to put what compares to vehicle armor, on a soldier. But, like any motorization process, you could also have powered soldiers carrying vehicle weapons and using them. Or allowing them to sorta "become" vehicles themselves. As an example, space suits are just that, once you had that little unit with cold gas thrusters.
Power armour could be used in a VIP or medical evc role.
Put the target inside to make them less likely to be hurt by small arms and if lets say someone leg is broken the amour could compensate keeping the target moving and freeing the soldiers from dragging said injured person out.
Although you would have to carry the suit it's self with you but you could just swap out people?
Could also be used in a heavy weapons squad to compensate for recoil on weapons requiring less set up and there for saving time
One of the better power armor concepts in a sci fi setting, that I know of is from the webcomic Schlock Mercenary. If you have the tech to generate/negate gravity through efficient anti matter plants, you could have a power armor that can fly, stop normal projectiles, provide life support, provide physical enhancement, while looking like a normal everyday jumpsuit when on standby.
YES i have been waiting for a vid like that for too long
It’s a way to get untrained, undertrained or rusted bodies on the field quickly without needing to wait for months of training. Also a way to continue fighting decently during food shortages, provided you can get the armor to last longer than the wearer.
Beyond that, augments a human’s basic capabilities for more mundane tasks, especially in cases where infrastructure is absent or specialized tools are not available.
Similar could be said for mechs, such as the Exo Frames from Obsolete, with the added bonus of accommodating a variety of sizes and disabilities.
I imagine powered suits would help in vehicle crews in case of emergency. Say, a troop transport chopper goes down and one guy gets crushed by a rotor or some other heavy piece of debris. If there’s a suit on board, one of the other crew could don it and lift it off, potentially saving the guy’s life. The powered soldier can also draw fire away from the rest of the crew while they await backup.
Like I said in the previous video, powered suits are good because they supplement current military hardware rather than compete against it like mechs do.
I think it would also be awesome for firearm stability. Using a system like an exoskeleton for a recoil sponge and assistance in carrying capacity totally changes the weapons and ammunition that are practical
stormtroopr1977 I can imagine a dude casually sprinting around with an autocannon, casually taking grenades and shit to the face and not giving a fuck
Or we could develop Starship Trooper's Power Armor as that's where the Space Marine was invented.
There are some front line uses like your first guy in the building example. They are to attract the attention wail the unarmored guys more forward or a unit of power armored troopers hit a heavy bunker that is well defended that can't be hit with aircraft do to coladeral damage to the surroundings where an unmanned droid can't react fast enough to rapped changing situations.
Very interesting video, I never actually sat down and thought about the practicality of power armor
Somewhere I heard that T-51bs were more practical and cheaper than MBTs, so that’s why they were used in Anchorage, but it’s been a few years
In XCOM, the logic behind power armor was “We have been repurposing the alien’s energy cells, now we can use it to power a suit with more protection than conventional armor” which is how the Aegis and Titan suits are made. In practice XCOM uses it for the purpose of breaching and CQB like you mention, like assaulting a UFO or a building filled with aliens. Due to the way the game’s AI works, aliens tend to shoot at operatives most vulnerable to being hit, so players exploit that by adding abilities and items boosting the soldier’s damage resistance - aka tanking.
Entering a building will probably be significantly assisted by first sending in packbot-style UGVs loaded with smoke and flashbang, then follow up with the power-armour.
One thing I've never gotten is the idea that you would be "faster" in power armor, like Space Marines or Spartans. Just because a suit is capable of managing high speeds doesn't mean that the person inside can suddenly develop enough endurance to keep those speeds. The suit could move so fast it risks exhausting or worse crippling or killing the operator. It's why I like the way power armor works in starship troopers. Rather than making a suit that runs faster, it amplifies strength so less energy is exerted but a greater distance is covered because mobile infantry jump rather than run. A short bursts of strength to push off the ground, complimented by thrusters for speed and control seems like a much better way to improve mobility than a suit that runs really fast.
I love the Gorilla power armor in Starship Troopers anime, the way it is used is very realistic.
Well with space marines it's more the armor makes them stronger not faster. They are already stupidly fast enough anyways. But there is characters that modified armor that automatically does actions like aiming for them. Fabius was one such character where he just decides where to move and pulling the trigger, the armor handles the rest. I guess the spartan thing also makes sense in part but movement by thought doesn't help that much as reaction time is really the biggest factor to me. Besides, if the armor makes the spartan that much better I don't see why they don't just take out the meat, make a robot and stick an AI in there.