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2:40 Safety squint
Hi Destin
100% as effective as safety glasses 50% of the time!
how hasn’t anyone noticed you yet?
hey man love ur vidoes
This plane would have flown a lot better had he incorporated a SNATCH BLOCK !
The perpetual motion ring is fueled by crushed hopes and dreams held in a suspension of tears and anguish. Good Rage/Kg ratio
@@jasong8501 I think a lot of charlatans have historically tried to make flywheel based perpetual motion machines?
@@jasong8501 Lol dude. I'm not the original poster, I was just trying to guess his POV.
Rubber bands don’t look so bad after seeing this.
THERE IS NO FREE ENERGY DEVICE
Remove all type of fiction.. and you have a perpetum mobile. We look 13.8 bilion years into the past (using telescope) and we find nothing stationary... everything is moving smart guy , since big ben. Voyager 1 and 2 are moving since 1978... and probably will travel a millions of years....because... no friction...
4:13 - 4:18
Thats how sounds of fighter planes in war movies are made.
Stuka jericho trumpet :)
@@xtocy96 it doesnt even sound like a stuka
that sounded straight like external wastage of a sport car
Local engineer spends month reinventing a common children's toy.
@Franz Huber but how does the UI *feel*
Franz Huber As someone in middle school I can say I have learned a mix of the two.
seriously i felt the same thing. at least he could have put a flywheel on that propeller to make it store more energy if that's how it works.
That's how it works
which is the toy? pls tell me
Engage safety squints! haha please follow up to figure out WHY that ring flew so far and so stable all on its own, amazing.
Might need to try 'flywheel' projectiles next haha
ua-cam.com/video/n4nZPU6L4cI/v-deo.html
It's because of gyroscopic forces
Remember those circular paper airplanes? I'm thinking he could just print a really deep outer ring, low pitch blades to hold a hub, and build a flying propeller.
Ah a fellow AVE viewer I see
4:15 That sounded like an actual plane crash
this comment is gonna get stolen or many many likes
It also looked like an actual plane crash
Lmao, i thought the same.
2:43 putting on the safety squints
@@marcus_w0 wow here comes onther one
6:19 can you imagine walking down the park and see a flying circle like that.
I want a whole video on just that
and here we see a clickbait thumbnail out in the wild
🛸 👀 😂
@@buskingkarma2503 (x files theme)
@@theshuman100 😂
Running a fly wheel latterly along the fuselage would really make the plane extremely stable acting like a gyroscope. If this was utilized on an ultralight the landings might be so stable that you could technically just land with only one wheel . You may well accomplish a most perfect safe landing. It’s good to see someone toying with these kind of ideas.
No, it actually gets instable when decelerates!
You seem like you know what you're talking about. I'm the furthest thing from an engineer but I've been imagining a fanciful glider that has flywheel powered propeller(s) which is why I found this video. what are your thoughts on the feasibility of placing turbines posterior to the propellers that rewind the flywheels using drag while cruising or when needed for air braking? It's only natural that fly wheels be used for flying and I want lowtech environmentally friendly and safe ways for normal poor people to fly.
Good luck steering. The wheel wants to keep going straight. You will never get the plane turning
@@hornetIIkite3 what about two on the wingtips with brakes
The brakes engage the propellers
6:21 - the ring flew surprisingly far, I'd like to see a video exploring/optimising it.
Discovered by accident
There used to be a toy frisbee like device that used a thin cardboard tube, with a heavier leading edge, that used a form of the Magnus effect to fly. Sorry for the run on sentence.
It looks like the little stub of propellor blade left was enough to propel the ring, but didn't have very much drag and so the ring kept its speed up for much longer.
I think with more optimisation (maybe a non-printed ring that could spin a lot faster) and a shallow-pitch, optimised set of short blades, you could probably get a pretty impressive flight out of one.
You can do the same thing with an empty toilet roll. Just cut it in half, wrap a layer or two of tape around it at one end and spin it forwards out of your hand (which takes some practice). Quite a fun toy if you can get it working.
We made freesbies like that when i was a kid by cutting a coke can in half and remove the top by filing the fold so it get a bit heavier in front. Throw like a american football and it flies really well, u can even do loops
idk why, but the flying hoola hoop gets me everytime!
6:20
I laughed so hard I look down on the comment to see if i was the only one !
@@bicross87 same
I thought it was awesome.
😂😂 fly amazing. that g force broken it.
It's hilarious, isn't it? 😂
This guy motivates me that if he can make so much fail attempts to achieve one successful attempt then why should i stop
I love how when the plane crashed it sounded like an actual plane crashing
Not the actual sound of a plane crashing. Movies just use that sound for planes crashing so it has become very familiar. The sound is actually the WW2 Stuka siren.
9/11
@@gfries4906 While many movies for increased drama use a sound like the Jericho trumpet fitted on some Ju 87, props can create a similar sound when rotating beyond their spec, or rather when dragging the engine with them, due to the high airspeed. The Jericho was after all pretty much just a small prop fixed to the undercarriage. The difference is just in the pitch and loudness. Easier to record in a studio too.
Hollmarkmonve
Hollemorkmoive
This is great, but I'm going to build a plane powered only by Tom Stanton's accent
Get this comment more likes!!!
Tbh I don’t think his accent is very strong compared to some other British people
Accent?!? Which accent?
Joel Creates it will be stronger than vibranium
The accent is on curiosity and sheer determination. Meanwhile, he makes the full movie as well!
"Flying Hula Hoop" must be your next project!
Please, that was really cool.
@@calebsherman886 yes
Use Magnus effect to generate some lift and off we go!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_effect
LoL, googling that would likely end in a faptrap.....!
Tom Stanton give an eye to X-Zylo it's something for your super powers
I remember reading about a German (I think) early unmanned helicopter project where they basically built one of those propellers with a flywheel in big. The idea was that you could launch it near the frontlines. The helicopter would go up, shoot some pictures, and slowly come down as the rpm decrease.
I looked for it a while now but can't find it again. If someone knows what I mean, please let me know.
When the title said, “flywheel powered plane”
Then i saw the first part, I immediately went,
“So you’re gonna fly a plane using a bike?”
4:15 okay that cut back to wide when it crashed had me hollering.
no, you didnt holler
Fancy seeing you here
The sound the plane made om the way towards the gopro was more satisfying than I expected it to be
oh hello there
same lmao
This definitely needs a part two, considering how well the simplified design worked. Also, see how high you can make the flying hoola-hoop go ( straight up, like the toy ) with a high rpm motor and more robust hoop....
bolt a wider thinner alu ring to a standard CF prop (maybe 3 or 4 blade) that'd be insane!
@@trif55 Yep, make the prop itself the flywheel essentially. This definitely needs more investigation...
you can't reach the incredible rpm's with the blades on them. flywheel works but requires really high tech electrically transmission and superconducting nano materials. if you have all that tech it's better than li-ion battery
@@KirbyZhang The blades don't need to reach the same rpms as the separate flywheel- the idea is just to reinforce the ring around the blades and add a *little* bit of weight to help them act like a flywheel for long flights. The real failure point was the where the blades attach to the hub- reinforce that area with some more beefy blades and away you go, literally...
@@SuicideNeil the fly wheel didn't work because there was too much transmission loss. the simplified design got rid of transmission, but you'll never spin those blades to 20k rpm
You explore different concepts that is really great. Never imagined using compressed air , gyro based pitch control, flywheel powered plane, elastic powered plane. Awesome
Commercial pilot signing in, and I’d love to see your idea fly!
By the way your first design constantly wants to fly nose down indicates that the centre of gravity may be too far forward. As well, the wing dihedral is a bit a mute point, as it helps create stability in unstable air. Having a straight wing with winglets would be more efficient at drag reduction. And a basic tail dragger landing gear forward of the CG would save the output gear overhaul every flight.
Good luck!!
I notice the plane nosing down and was thinking the same thing about the weight being to far forward. It would be interesting to see if moving the weight backwards would have lead to a more successful attempt.
4:57 The flywheel is creating a massive amount of torque relative to the weight of the plane. with the flywheel perpendicular to the plane, and the rotation twisting toward the nose, it puts it in the FDAU position, perfect for a broken propeller. adding a few grams to the tail may do the trick... or re-gearing to have the opposite effect, pulling the nose up and adding weight to that, but with the wings being the vertices, it would be a much larger weight increase due to proximity alone. OR you could orient the flywheel and gear for a perpendicular rotation opposite that of the propeller, using carbon fiber spindles instead of a disc to reduce drag, possibly shaped to increase thrust? I think adding weight to the tail would still be your best option with the current configuration.
5:46 I should have just kept watching lmao
Were you watching the video while typing? You didn't edited it
This was 2 months ago, I don't know how to answer your question.
@@ELEGANTFOX Probably just had the comment editor open during the whole video
Not only that, but with as much angular momentum as a flywheel has, the precession force will be absurd. So even if you manage to put enough weight on the back to counteract the momentum of the flywheel (which is also only going to work momentarily as the flywheel loses momentum to the propeller), any torque applied by the frame of the plane to the flywheel will cause a precession according to the right-hand rule (so 90-degrees deflection from the direction of angular momentum). So, if the flywheel is spinning forward, and a breeze blows the tail to the left (applying clockwise torque perpendicular to the spinning of the flywheel and parallel to the ground), the flywheel will precess counterclockwise perpendicular to the ground, causing the plane to roll to the left while it yaws to the right... and it will crash pretty much immediately. A similar effect will happen if something makes the plane roll, though if it rolls to the right, the flywheel will cause it to yaw to the right, not the left. This behavior will reverse if the flywheel is spinning backwards: a roll to the right will cause a yaw to the left, and a yaw to the right will cause a roll to the right. The only way to stop this from happening is to decouple the flywheel from the frame, like the 3-axis gimbal mount of an avionics gyroscope. You would only be able to extract energy from that type of flywheel electromagnetically.
@SmokeyPillow I rarely comment on videos, so no need to have the editor open all the time. @ELEGANTFOX, thinking more carefully about it now, I believe I typed the first part, played the video for more reference, and saw that everything I said was a moot point... So instead of removing all logical thinking, I simply added humor.
6:20
Hula hoop must return to his home planet. His people need him.
This one got me so hard
r/mypeopleneedme
Yeah the gyro effect keeping it straight and flying in the same direction it was propelled was a real surprise.
Have you tried mounting the flywheel on other axis ? Like maybe parallel to the ground or facing sideways like the toy ?Also the rotation direction might be important. The fact the toy's ring continues flying by itself when the propeller exploded is also interesting.
Did you know some planes attempt using rotating cylindrical wings using the magnus effect to create lift.
My friend, you will make a lot of kids happy with that.
6:14 That propeller flew far away when it broke ...wow.
Weeeeeeeee !
Flew
Like a plastic vortex ring or something :p
The MAGNUS effect
Yeah that surprised me as well
3:18 Me getting out of bed, ready to take on the world.
😂😂😂
Love the slow mo shots! Amazing to see how the whole airframe moves with the spinning prop
great quality high detail crystal clear communication, no pissing about, and.. ZERO FKN MUZAK .. this guy's a stone genius ---- subscribed big time
6:21 Next project, Magnus effect aeroplane with a spinning outer fuselage and no wings?
LMAOOOOOO
The flying hoop has stolen my heart ❤️
For a tip I’d recommend to make a test throw first without power to see which glides better, flatiron or actual plane 😄
Great outtakes Tom. Superb video and congrats on succeeding with flywheel flight.
Hey Tom! I wounder if your original design would have problems anyways due to gyroscopic effects.
At more than 20k rpm the whole plane has such a vibration that gyroscopic effect is not that important ;)
Good point, going up or down would cause left or right turns. But it would be fun piloting hahaha
That is what I was thinking. At 4:40 it looks really odd. I don't know if that is gyroscopic force or just weird stalling.
@@ka-50withsaams36 click on that timestamp it sounds like a burp! :') but it's just the tail end of Tom saying "propeller"
@@iteerrex8166 It rotates on the pitch axis, so that should be unaffected. Roll will cause yaw torque, and vise versa, and they're be a slight pitch torque due to the flywheel decelerating.
This video was really great! I loved the super simplified version of the design at the end. Very ingenious! Was also really happy to see you using real safety glasses at @4:08 instead of the "safety squints" like @2:08. Stay safe Tom!
5:14 duuuuuude that was teh toy of my childhood, you really maked up my day ;D
Thecracktroll999 Productions, You play Roblox you are still a kid no adult plays roblox.
@@axel9291 kids can still get those
As an avid and long time pilot of R/C aircraft, this was rather enjoyable to watch. Kinda taking it back to the basics. Have you thought about having the pitch of the blade change as it approaches the hub of the prop itself? Not sure if 3D printers can do that or not as I have never owned one. 4 Blade props are also real good with low RPM, if you can handle the xtra weight.
6:02 that could very well be an amazing toy. Toy makers should carry that 😍
Toy makers today; Poopsie slime surprise
I followed most of your plane propulsion designs, and the flywheel is my favorite.
Thanks for taking us along on your thought processes and trials. Amazing slow-mo shots. Great production !!
Extremely precious footage of a flywheel propeller breaking up.
I love it how you make this super complicated and expensive plane out of carbon fiber and aluminium and stuff and it's almost a total letdown and then a 5€ plane with a 10 € launching station illustrates perfectly the point you were trying to make and also WORKS :))
That sure gave me a good laugh when that prop assembly came apart in slo-mo, accompanied by your droll commentary! Nice work, sir.
That hoop sailing off into the horizon was beautiful.
The brief clip of you picking up the broken outer ring was a great touch! I had just wondered whether those bits tend to get lost after they fly off. Great video!
This was awesome
I thoroughly enjoyed just about everything in this video, which is kind of rare treat for me. Thanks so much for putting it together ☺️
6:15 that was incredibly satisfying...for some odd reason.
I must go my people need me
His style of video is progressively becoming more like that of veritasium's. Pretty cool
6:19 the propeller taking off into the distance made me lose my shit, I was laughing so hard.
"Later, Gator!"
I dont know why but watching the red prop plane made me smile especially during the high RPM explosion lol. Great work my dude!!
4:53
You can clearly see and feel the frustration, disappointment and hopelessness on Tom's face!!! That's the exact moment I remember myself from 2 years ago wandering in my thoughts about my project, failing again and again!! ☹️
Albert Einstein once said that there aren't any failures. It's just a collection of experiments of how not to do something.
*_"Unless you want a flying Hula-Loop"_* .... perfect comment for the fabulous slo-mo action on the screen.
Well done.
You do know that your channel is an inspiration for all the young inquisitive scientific minds out across the globe, and that you make it okay to fail, and then learn from those mistakes. It is an admirable thing that you do, and a wonderful legacy that you are leaving behind you.
Even I, at age 62, enjoy your content and the way you approach your projects and present them to the world.
Thank you for what you do because you do it so well and so honestly.
Keep it up Tom, the world needs more minds like yours out their making it okay to be creative thru trial and error, with a reward at the end *_either way it turns out._*
And for that you have earned my admiration towards excellence.
So, Tally ho, and all that sort of rot! (stupid thing to say...)
(Oh darn, I revealed myself as one of those damn Yankees from across the Pond... well, not all of us are full blown idiots like the one in the White House.... 🥴🤪🤑😎🤫)
I’m pretty sure Tom could solve world hunger with a large enough flywheel
This man is just a pure joy to watch! Great work and keep up the fantastic content!
the flywheel is spinning in a way that's forcing the plane to go down nose 1st probable solution 2 flywheels spinning in counter-rotation ?
The issue is the Center of Gravity is off aka the flywheel is to far forward causing it to be nose heavy. The centrifugal force of the flywheel can cause issue once you Roll the plane left or right.
@@gregoetker1389 This guy has built a plane before, I'm sure he's got the centre of mass right...
@@Mansare94 You spelled "center" wrong. (lol)
@@Mansare94, I've watched Tom for years and know about his projects.
My statement is still true. The plane nose dived into the ground. That is caused by incorrect CG and/or not enough wing surface to substain flight.
The cord of that wing was narrow (but was the wing span enough?) and with the normal CG approx 25% back of the leading edge of the wing, the boom length and tail weight might not been enough to offset the weight of the flywheel.
RPM can be adjusted if needed.
The real test is do a glide test without the use of flywheel. It should float down not arc down.
Some some food for thought.
@@gregoetker1389 You're not taking into account the flywheel slowing down, and with the rotation direction, that creates a force pivoting the plane down.
That hula hoop slowmotion footage is priceless! 😂😁😁😃😂😁😃😂
I’m really enjoying your videos now 🤩 A friend and I got a patent more than 20 years ago for a magnetic bearing that can be used for flywheel storage systems so we understand the challenges you face.
Please keep making cool videos 👍🏽
Flywheel powered locomotives are still used in mining in the former Soviet Union. The "Gyroz" HUNOSA the Spanish coal combine used them as well.
6:20 these flying loops would made a real exotic plane or at least exotic propellant system.
Look up marvel q-ship mate. It'd be awsum if its real
"FLYwheel Plane" you got my like before I even played the first second of the video, would you stop reading my mind please?
edit after I've seen it: I loved the video, I love seeing how you adapt your concepts.
4:17 I instinctly dove away at this point in the video.
4:22 The engineer mantra.
Was re-watching this after your bike flywheel adventure. So the second thumbs up must be stored here as the official one was already given: 👍
That was amazing!!!! Thank you for posting
Well, that flying hoop looks rather awesome too
@ 6:22 "I must go, my people need me"
If it still flew into a twig ..
I'm still convinced your elon musks son
@@octaviusgalacticus2253 xaebps-12
I'm so easily amused.
One of the VERY few youtubers I may consider actually paying money to. You do an incredible job Mr. Stanton.
Is there a UA-cam reward competition for best engineering channels and things of that nature? - I want to go put my vote in.
Toy companies are often very good at finding simple, yet effective (and cost effective) engineering solutions.
Engineering 101: K.I.S.S. Keep it simple Stanton. Well done mate.
Fortunately for the Allies the Germans had trouble with that concept in WW2.
@@kennyg1358 German guy here.
We still haven't figured that out
the flying ring interests me the most, as it took off and was able to fly really far although been so simple
Your videos are fantastic! Thank you for making them!
Tenacity pays off, great work! The "hula hoop" all by itself, flew beautifully.......speaking of simplicity.
Love the plane at the end based on the toy, will we be seeing a giant version with radio control?
Peter Sripol wants your number!
Nice that you show the failures as well the successes :)
Excellent work Tom . I'm not an engineer. though I was a pilot , the first thing I noticed was starting with a high angle of attack on the wing , which seemed to me to be similar to the landing flare where the wing stalls aerodynamically just before touch down. seems like a huge load on the prop to get the plane up to flying speed in such a short period of time. I found the project quite. I wonder if that flywheel concept could be used to gen electricity with some form of wind blades once the wind gets it up to speed the fly wheel momentum keeps generating while it spins down. I realize I'm late to viewing this but you have my sub. keep up the great work Tom.
Great fun vid and in a beautiful back yard too! Cheers from Sydney, Oz - Dave
6:12 The flying hoolahoop looked really cool actually!
Ive said it before ill say it again this is the most underated science channel on UA-cam
I found your work very interesting, congratulations!
I bought a futuristic toy plane that used a similar concept and worked really well maybe about 15 years ago. It most closely resembled the Project Zero Electric Tilt Rotor plane except it had a single central rotor. It was string pull release, when it rose off the spindle the rotor would tilt 45 degrees and it would fly forward. I did a search but I can't find it or who made it. It flew very well with that configuration. I guess now that I think about it, it didn't have much to do with storing energy in a fly wheel. They work best when they are heavy and that is best ground based. Probably some gyroscopic forces and direction of rotation that have to be taken into consideration. Good effort, really interesting experiment, seems like you get through it pretty straight forward and quick.
Awesome content! Would love to see more experimentation with flywheel energy storage :)
i was exactly trying to build this kinda stuff on www.algodoo.com/
6:21 The way it just flew off like that had me burst out in laughter xD
FYI, it takes a LOT to make me burst out in laughter when I'm watching a video on my own.
Your own video?
Ive only just found you, Glad i did.
Some great ideas to learn from.
I really hope, that you will give the first version another go, I'd love to see it fly!
Oh man I'd love to see a flywheel-as-prop plane like the second one, with a machined and balanced metal flywheel like the first.
That will bring the centre of gravity too far forward
@@MichaelThompson94 Could always have some ballast, electronics, or other stuff in a fairing ahead of the propeller...
@@MushVPeets could do, but ideally you want the weight to be minimal... It would be better to do a mid prop mount or something.
Hi Tom! Have you thought about the gyroscopic effect of the fly wheel on the stability of the plane? In the new design you switched the rotation axes of the flywheel to be the direction the plane is pointed in, so it's possible that could be stabilizing it. I'd be interested in seeing how it works with the heavy flywheel but rotated 90 so the rotation axis of rotation points in the forward direction.
Your videos are great bud. Please keep em coming!
This is the most beautiful thing you've ever made
4:15 That sounds like plane crashing in movies
Ouch
Nice comment copying
What slow-mo camera are you using brother?
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That was satisfying to see that thing take off so well once the right concept was put into use 🤘
Had my coffee coming out my nose when I saw the ring separating from the propeller - and it even flew better than the glider it was intended for! xD
I was thinking of other weird energy storage methods, and I was about to recommend a gravity powered plane, but..... that's just a glider isn't it.
Maybe put a tank of water in the plane and have it drip through a tiny hydroelectric dam to power the propeller? ;)
My favorite thing is when I come up with a brilliant idea for a new way of doing something but realize after spending some time on it that it's already been done... 😂
As a kid I drew up a revolutionary new design for a "flying squirrel suit" only to later realize skydivers have been using something similar for decades...
@@C.Sharpe Ahh, that's always fun! But at least, it shows that your ideas are feasible, which is reassuring :P
solid fuel rocket plane.
4:16 has some meme potential with that amazing sound
Found your channel a few weeks ago, really inspiring as I’m going into engineering too🎉
I give you a applause for trying.
Keep on trying hopefully you get there
Could you used the flywheel technique at the beginning of the video but make the carbon fiber into a propeller shape and use that at the front of the plane?
You definitely could make one like he made later but out of carbon fiber and steel. It sounds pretty dangerous though.
gajbooks all in the name of Science 🤣
Might be hard to get the cg right with all that mass in the front.
Maybe put the propeller in the middle of the plane?
I just posted suggesting this but giving you the up-doot so hopefully tom sees this! :-)
What about the conservation of angular momentum? Shouldn't the plane tend to pitch one way while the flywheel is slowing down?
Like the spitfire's radial engine. Actually gave it an advantage in dog fights.
I remember years ago that flywheels running in a vacuum were thought of as viable future energy storage. There were even air bearings being developed to help further reduce losses. I never heard any more about it.
I remember seeing a video in my Recommended called "The Mechanical Battery" I wonder if that's about the same thing
@@chaotickreg7024 Could very well be. The big parameters to compare are cost, weight (not in every application though), and recharge efficiency.
@@joewoodchuck3824 The thing I find interesting about storing energy in its kenetic form is that humans create kenetic energy all the time, sometimes for fun. It's interesting to think about a scenario where large batteries cant be produced so instead you have a couple people riding stationary bikes to power up a flywheel "battery" for a factory to keep the mechanical machines operating until lunchtime. Imagine a windmill charging a flywheel so that a farmer could do their wheat milling at any point of the day they wanted? Ok now I see why people are into stuff like steampunk.
@@chaotickreg7024 Human peak power is around 1.2 hp with 0.1 hp sustained. Athletes can do somewhat better, but most people aren't athletes.
its great to see all the failures and problem solving.
4:16
nyyyyooOOOOOOOOMMM * crunch *
This is exactly how some WWII carrier aircraft were started. Crank the flywheel, drop the clutch, and start the engine with no electricity.
I believe a tiger tank is also started with a hand cranked flywheel.
@@frackcha Ever seen the original Flight of the Phoenix with jimmy Stewart? The radial engine used in that flying box car used a shot gun shell blast to spin a fly wheel that cranked the engine over. Really a unique and fascinating idea!
How I start my car when people are asleep lol (Hill roll start)
@@frackcha it was.
The effort you put in and the (unintended) humor it created made me crack! one of your best videos! and a sub. Thanks for making!
This guy really pushes the limits on energy transfer in an ingenious and interesting way. SUBSCRIBED