8000 Years of Board Game History in 43 Minutes - SHUX Presents
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2020
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Modern board gamers: Why does every second game have to be about zombies, or Cthulhu, or zombie Cthulhu?
Medieval game makers: Hold my waterfowl.
And let's not forget that for millennia before that, basically all games were either chess variants or races.
Wait, the Goose Game was also a race game...
Verily.
Because Lovecraft is a recognizable fantasy identity with a sizable following and it falls into the public domain. That's it. Why are so many games about dungeons and dragons? Because D&D has been very influential over the decades, and the theme sells.
Why are so many games about some form of European colonialism or something, it weirds out people who don't play them? Because wargamers created contemporary board games on the American side of the industry, including D&D, and gamifying every single combat experience (not just domination-style 4x and 17xx style games) was part of that, and since they were there first, that's what sold.
It's just a marketing thing.
If you've ever tried to design games and sell them, it's very hard to sell new concepts. That's all changed with the age of Kickstarter and crowd funding. Stonemaier Games, one of the greatest new publishers, understands that taking risks on new themes is a good thing.
Take Wingspan, the first widely published board game to be designed and illustrated completely by women, and it's about birds. It's also notable to be one of the few games to dare to use pastels as the prime colors of the components. (the only other I can think of is, oddly enough, Buck Rogers).. But that's an entirely different conversation. :)
If you like history, you’ll like this. If you like board games, you’ll like this. If you like both history and board games, make sure your door is locked before hitting play.
I may of exploded with joy
@@furretthefuzzynoodle3896 I think you exploded with bad grammar lol j/k
Or watch it at truly late night so no one can hear you watch it.
I'm in max volume though 😂
At 12:15 Quinns claims that the mural is "huge", but without the use of a Standard Reference Pear I just don't know if I can take his word for it.
Dom Guilfoyle have that same problem w/pornography. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Wallach_a Your post was posted 2 hours before the comment you replied to. Wat?
I believe that the modern standard is the banana
Holy crap, Quinns. If you wanted to do an ongoing series about the history behind boardgames, I would gleefully watch each and every one. This stuff is fascinating to me.
I would take time out of my already very busy schedule to watch that. I have to listen while I’m at work, but I would actively watch that series.
100% agree
The Goose Game is still played and quite popular in Spain today, it's called "La Oca", literally meaning "the goose" in Spanish.
“Ganzenbord” (the goose plate/board) in dutch
@@ilovepudding7873 Ye its more of a kids game, I always thought Candyland was the same game as Ganzenbord, maybe I am wrong though.
I am happy that we didn't lost this magnificient game. People can be bored of playing Monopoly sometime!
In Spain La Oca was also the name of a contest tv show that was basically the human size version of the board game
I just had a flashback of all the little rhymes depending on the tile like "De oca en oca y tiro porque me toca" (From goose to goose, and I'll toss the dice again cos it's my go)
Irving Finkel playing the Royal game of Ur with Quinns would be the ultimate SUSD video of all time!!!
As an aside the Royal game of Ur is phenomenal that I would highly recommend anyone playing, I've never met a person from 6 to 60 who hasn't loved it!
having spent a career in archaeology this was a great lecture in which I learnt some fun new things thanks.
I highly enjoyed Tom Scott and Irving Finkel playing it.
ua-cam.com/video/WZskjLq040I/v-deo.html
@@robindevoh Thanks. I've been meaning to watch that for ages, perfect follow after this.
My dad and I made an Ur board a few years ago, it's addictive!
Our household loves UR. It's one that suits all ages and all abilities
I was going to ask about UR but you beat me to it...about two years in the past. :P
It's highly addictive. My wife and I have been playing it for some time and is it VERY good.
“So you want to play one board game to get through this quarantine?”
“Yeah”
“Like War of the Ring, Twilight Imperium... or?”
“Um...” *glances at **26:02* “yeah.. yeah something like that”
Losers have “works cited”. Winners have “books that I mercilessly robbed for this”.
Masters have
“Trust me, bro.”
You're both wrong, "Works consulted" is the king of academic writing.
Great talk!
I am from Spain and the "Goose game" ("El juego de la oca" here) Is still played, it's the classic grandma game. You don't double your move. You move to the next square with a goose on it throw the dice again. In fact there is a phrase that you say when that happens "de oca a oca y tiro por que me toca" which is something like "From goose to goose and I throw because it's my turn". At least since my grandma's times its been played like that.
And as someone from México, even if it isn't as traditional as Snakes and Ladders and couple other more, Oca is still a very dear board game... I remember when the reruns of the TV Show of that board game was transmitted by TVE, those were good times.
Oh I remember playing it as a kid.
I’m german.
I vividly remember being in the lead, just a few jumps to the finish... and then I landed on death.... and I went back to the start...
I think I cried and never played that game again.
@@TheRatedOniChannel Was that the show where they had a guy bodypainting a naked woman in one spot? I remember never missing the show when they transmitted it in PR because of that.
The game of the goose also has the honor of having the highest index of "house rules" ever seen. As it was the quintessential initiatory game in Spain, the boards never brought a manual and that led to it being played slightly differently in each place or home.
Yeah, the same goes for The Netherlands. I think almost everyone has played some old fashioned Ganzenbord ("board of the goose") as a child. In the dutch version there is a space called 'the well' where you got stuck (i.e. didn't get to play) until one of the other players passed the well space. Especially frustrating when you already were coming in last.
Wife: wouldn't it be better to get off UA-cam and do something constructive?
Me: shhhh I'm watching a lecture
Wife: oh sorry
Get this man a TED talk.
perfect talk, the only thing I missed is at least a mention of wargames which were popular in high nobility and martial education as a battle simulator
Absolutely! I was saving that for the history of D&D. There's a really nice onramp going from the first war simulations to modern wargames to D&D, as outlined in Jon Peterson's 'Playing at the World'. - Quinns
Oh, to sit in a crowd of people and listen to a man talk.
Yeah, my first thought was "Oh, that's quite impressive how they faked this to seem like there's an audience."
just gotta make sure you shut up when you sit down.
Yeah, I legit thought it was a skit
Gordon Wiley Well, I was in the audience, and I am real...
So is it a real audience?? I can't tell if it's real or fake... it seems real, the audience reacts at all the right times!
As someone who worked in a game store i have vietnam flashbacks of extemporaneously explaining a complicated card game and a customer going: “oh, so it’s like monopoly?”
Excellent talk, only regret is that he didn't mention go/weiqi/baduk. I know later he made a review about it, but the fact that go is missing from a boardgame history talk makes me feel as if something big is missing.
100% huge miss
"things were great back in the day before these video games and tik toks. Imagine back in the day when people just played board games, wouldn't that be amazing?" * People playing backgammon while a man who was forcibly castrated in the past is now dying on a stake outside looking at his own skin *
31:04 in Italy we still play the goose game and it's still called as shown in the video: "Gioco dell'oca", it's a game for small kids, it helps them to learn to count.
26:50 *cracks knuckles TIME TO WRITE A SHOGIRAP!
Please do. I didn't know I needed that in my life till now. 😂
Amazing how Quinns can pack a little over 60 minutes of content into 43 minutes.
No wonder SU&SD vids are so informative and entertaining.!
"Ethics and Geese" is my new favorite intelectual proprerty, can't wait to recive the second edition manual.
It was kickstarted in 2017, so any day now
Amazing presentation! I absolutely love when people take board games further and begin to study their history and their role in society and culture. More of these as well, please. :D
39:42
"Or as I call it, Ethics and Geese"
That joke was way funnier than the audience gave you credit for.
I don't get it.
everything in and about this presentation is just amazing: the actual informatiob, the way it is collected and compiled, but foremost the sparkingly brilliant, quick, witty and funny spirit it is presented with. ine if the best talks i ve encountered in 33 years! thank you!
I'd just finished watching the video of the Wavelength stream and thought to myself "aww, I've run out of new SU&SD to watch". Marvellous timing :)
So entertaining to watch, a topic that always fascinated me but I never bothered to look into it
Amazing! Hoping for more of those in the future!
Great video! Would love more talks like this!!!
It's been 2 years and I still mutter "tic-tac-mo-fo" to myself randomly.
Well done Quinns! I would be so worried talking in front of a large crowd but you did it and did a great job! Very interesting talk, thank you. I would love to hear more.
Great talk. I loved it. I've seen a few UA-cam videos about the origins of games. These things fascinate me too. Awesome to see you give a talk about it.
Amazing talk!!! I feel humbled to think I am part of such ancient traditions. Iwill be reading all the books you metioned!
This was super interesting! Thanks for sharing.
31:35 Not true : there is a clever provision made on the board to prevent winning with a 9 at the start. If you roll a 6-3, you land on space 26, and if you roll a 5-4, you land on space 53. And I can assure you that space 58 (Death) will take care of you more often than you think, since you can encounter it on the way up but also on the way down. Since you have to roll the exact number to reach space 63, if you roll more, you go down accordingly. So, with 2 dice, I can assure you that when you reach one of the last spaces and roll a big number, there's a good chance that you'll land on 58 !
This is brilliant Quinns!! You have elevated my boardgame appreciation to the highest level!!
I loved it! Please make more talks about the history of games and boardgames.
I saw this and said to myself “this is what I’m watching today!”
Absolutely MORE of this. Amazingly well done.
Outstanding! Great job Quenns!
Quinns! You totally missed hnefatafl! Such an important part of board game history!
I know, Im being a pedant, but I was sad you missed it.
its alright sir. your comment just made its part by introducing me to hnefatafl
Yeah I am both surprised it was missing and surprised yours is the only comment pointing its omission out.
It’s a crime!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!!! MANY THANKS, HUGS & GREETINGS!!!!
I absolutely loved this video, if you guys did a shut down and sit down boardgame symposium, i would watch it
The video we didn't know we wanted
I would absolutely love more history lessons like this!
Great video! Once I pressed play I thought "nope, I won't get through it", but it was worth every minute of watching.
Utterly brilliant! Love this.
Such a fun & informative talk by Quinn.
It's a shame that he had such limited time considering Quinn appeared to be having fun with it.
Thank you for this overlooked, yet delightful trip through time.
Awesome video as always! Very insightful. Growing up with my iranian family, ive had my grandfather teach me backgammon in different ways trying to teach each aspect of it from 3 years onwards. How to throw dice, movements, defense attack and when to be aggresive or humble (cheat).etc.
But I wish i could go back and tell him "you know there was this princess once in Persia... made this poor eneuch look at his own skin after losing" he would have been shook. Anyway lovely and insightful!
This was amazing. Damn this channel is a gem.
This year in our bachelors program on visual communication in early modern and 19th century someone actually wrote a paper about goose games and how they were used to represent history. It was surprisingly interesting!
Thank you for posting this, it was very interesting
Alright so I need more of this like a lot more that was absolutely brilliant.
This was fascinating! Thx Quinns!
Amazing talk! And I have seen that tiny Senet board in person at the king tut exhibit. It is absolutely adorable and pocket-sized! Would love a replica for the cuteness alone.
Masterfully done. What a fascinating story to tell.
This is great! So informative and funny.
Boardgame history!! Brilliant. Do more of this pleeeeease!!
Mankala is so fun that dead people escapes the otherworld to play after death. Screw Ouija Boards, Mankala is the real deal
Senet might have been displaced by Ur as the oldest game, now that we've discovered how to play it.
Quinns is the kind of guy that everybody wants in his games group
Well i just watched this whole thing. Well done
Amazing talk, was very fun to listen to a second time, especially now that i'm not exhausted. Still surprised you left go and the game of ur out of this talk XD
I'm not sure what the setup is like at SHUX but from watching this, investing in a teleprompter would make for a more dynamic lecture. Other than that, Fantastic talk!
My ears start bleeding early on work the assumption that prehistory was gritty and tough. Nomadic tribes often had less food scarcity and more free time than settled ones, simply by virtue that they went where the food was.
I am a huge fan of alternate chess games. Shogi is amazing (he didn't even touch on the stealing units), as is the two vs two bughouse chess. Though one of my favorites has to be Janggi, the korean version of the Chinese Xiangqi. It throws in the fun new rule that pawns can move sideways. You will never fear a pawn as much as you will when they are essentially kings.
I'm reasonably certain I've played the game of the goose as a child. I remember there were goose meeple...
In polish language we still name dice game ''kości'' which means ''bones''.
I love history. I haven’t even watched this yet and have already given it a thumbs up👍🏽🤠
Really liked the presentation!!! Always awesome content! I did think the transition from the mancaula board to African societies was quite akward. If I may recommend an alternative phrasing, " We do not know the role of these mauncala boards for pre historic humans beyond entertainment. However we can glean some understanding by looking at mauncala style boards and their usage in various cultures today. For example here we see the 'blah' people who use their version of a board depicted here to 'blah' "
Great talk, "Ethics and Geese" is a bit old hat though, to get in to the hobby I would recommend an introducktory game of "Moral Mallard" before moving on to "Aesop's Eiderdown" which has a quacking base campaign.
A lot of people note that Goose Game is still played in Spain; a boardgame collection I got in Denmark produced in the 80s or 90s had the Goose Game in it... And Nine Men's Morris!
When a really good communicator talks about something they're super passionate about. _b
13:45 I've played Senet a lot, and it certainly isn't a bad game at all. It's engaging and almost always yields knuckle-biting finishes.
Man that was awesome.
Here in the netherlands, i still have a Titled goose game board in my cabinet. We used to play it when i was younger
Great talk. Thanks.
Please please PLEASE do a talk on the histories of MTG and D&D
i Woulkd love more of theae talks
23:36 You may not like it, but this is what peak chess looks like
Fantastic video. I look forward to the next one. One of the books i would suggest is "A History of Board-games Other Than Chess" by H. J. R. Murray. The history of board games and recreating ancient games is fast becoming a hobby of mine.
The Game Of Ur, at last! Tom Scott has played this with Irving Finkel if I recall correctly
Edit: memory did serve, ua-cam.com/video/WZskjLq040I/v-deo.html
Yep, irving is just awesome
I was just thinking that Egyptian game looked a bit too much like the royal game of Ur for them to not be connected somehow. If they are not the same then one can only speculate which one predates the other. Mesopotamia predated the Egyptian civilisation to be sure. But the also coexisted. Does anyone here know?
my favourite part was when quinns said "mousefull" instead of "mouthfull" and also the part about chess
Good and funny vidéo!
I made a thesis some years ago about the relation between comics and games and I found that the senet (or one of his version) is very lookalike the game of goose. There are even a well, like the goose game!
I’ve played backgammon for more than 40 years and there is an energy that you bring to the game that can determine a win, like a will, you will the dice! Tarot cards were one e a game!
This was absolutely amazing, Quinns did a great job!
My grandparents have Goose, it's still popular in Holland!
Hello! Watch you all the time and have been an absolute lurker. Great video, just wanted to say hello >.
I really enjoyed this.
Not a historian, but might do for a great anthropologist. This was surprisingly instructive and fun
When Rome conquered the world in 'self-defence'.
Damn, i played three men on the beach as a kid in France. Find a flat rock, two sets of three stones, draw the squares, boom, instant boardgame. Way better than tic tac toe for sure
We have a game of the goose at home. It's still widely known in the Netherlands as Ganzenbord.
Top-notch work as always, Quinns! The intro really set the tone.
Incidentally, I feel you’d be doing us all a disservice if you didn’t title your memoirs “Blood, Sex & Jokes”.
Me: Ditches summer class lectures for this lecture
I just wanted to help you out (I teach history), I'm watching this with one of my middle school classes - there is no ZERO BC. There is 1 BC and then there is 1 AD. Scales of Time in historical language are not the same as math. There is no zero. There is the year before Jesus Christ was born, and then the 1st year of his birth. We cannot be zero when we are born. A 30 year old is in their 31st year of life. A newborn is in their 1st year of life. Great job though all around on this documentary. It is the best one I've found online by far! All the best, Joe
In Spain the game of the goose is probably one of the most played boardgames, often sharing a double sided board with Parchís (parchesi/Ludo). It's mostly snakes&ladders but with rhymes ("from goose and goose and I throw because it's my turn" or "from bridge to bridge and I roll my dice because I'm carried by the current"). But only three tiles make you go back, and one makes you lose your turn.
But yeah, it's talisman but without any choice. The main excuse for the game is that is often used to teach kids to count (and to lose).
But I'm one of those nerds who gave it a terrible score in bgg (as it has nothing of what I consider a boardgame, as you literally have to make no choices). It was hard for me to gave it a worse score than the one I gave to Uno, as I will probably play El juego de la Oca... and I will continue to ignore the existence of Uno if I can.
I think you confused chaturanga and chaturaji. Chaturaji is the 4 player game that you described. Chaturanga is the 2 player version that, if I’m not mistaken, came after chaturaji and then became chess. I could be mistaken.
Someone has to write books on the history of boardgames ! It's a field of history where's there's nothing much ...
I'd highly recommend checking out the wiki for taikyoku shogi, its truly fascinating
If I was a hermit that had nothing to do but read and whittle little pieces of wood with kanji on them I'd love to try and play, but alas
...oh my God, Nine Men's Morris / Mills is that old? That was my favorite as a kid!
I’ve just noticed that Quinn looks like Steve Merchant in his final form 😂😂