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- Is Nicolaus Copernicus the most influential Polish man to have existed?
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Copernicus was not only a priest and an astronomer. He was an outstanding economist, diplomat and military leader. His dissertation on the value of money is the basic economic law that 'better money drives bad money out of the market' In December 1519, the last Polish-Teutonic war broke out. During it, the army of the Order unsuccessfully besieged Olsztyn. Nicolaus Copernicus was preparing the castle and the city of Olsztyn, which was also subject to him, for defence. The Teutonic forces were repelled.
The OTHER WAY ROUND, to be precise: "bad money drives out good (money from the market" 😎 Which has been observed over centuries, since the times when long time ago, physical coins were minted of gold, then silver, then of cheaper alloys, and today cash is mostly paper/plastic banknotes (its value being thus considerably lower, and not really represented any more by what used to be precious metals). Today, money is mostly virtual (and thus the "carriers", previously coins, then banknotes, and now bytes are VIRTUALLY - pun intended - worthless). That's how his law works, even in the 21st century. Just throwing in my threepence, hopefully worth at least SOMETHING 😬
In Poland, children learn a rhyme like this:
"Wstrzymał słońce, ruszył ziemię
Polskie go wydało plemię."
What can be translated:
"He stopped the sun, he moved the earth
The Polish tribe gave birth to him."
Copernicus was an economist (announced the most important economic law - worse money displaces better money from the circulation of payments (strong currency is displaced by weak currency).He was a military commander (he pushed the Germans out of his territories). Copernicus was a doctor (he created hospitals based on purity, isolation, the use of medicines from herbs and minerals).😉
I'm sorry but this law of economics is exactly the opposite, i.e. bad (weak/fake) money displaces good (strong/honest) money.
The rest is more or less correct. Apart from the fact that this "expulsion of the Germans" is a bit of an exaggeration.
I say this as a resident of Toruń from birth.🙂
@@obserwator1766 You say it's the opposite and yet you wrote exactly the same thing.😂
@@danielobodzinski4976 The translate I have told me something else.
@@obserwator1766 It's written like that. And Copernicus defended Olsztyn from the Germans. Then they chased them.
@@obserwator1766It was not Toruń that was defended from Germans but Olsztyn. Kopernik commanded defence of Olsztyn against the troops commanded by Wilhelm von Schaumburg (these were Teutons to be specific). It took place in 1521 during Polish war with Teutonic Order. I hope I helped 😊
Astronomer, physician, economist, statesman, scientist, churchman, mathematician, accountant, and soldier when he led the successful defense of Olsztyn Castle against the Teutonic Knights. .....and all around good guy
I jeszcze lekarz (dawniej: medyk) 😉. I właśnie jako lekarz wymyślił i propagował to co dzisiaj nazywamy kanapką. Chodziło o zmniejszenie głodu wśród najuboższych.
Definitely, the most/best KNOWN (and recognised worldwide) Poles as of today are: Robert Lewandowski and Iga Świątek (in sports; football and tennis, respectively).
Historically - the most "influential" Poles will be: Copernicus (Kopernik), Maria Curie-Skłodowska (in sciences, though it's hard to tell how many people outside Poland are aware that both of them were Polish); Frederic Chopin, also known as Fryderyk Szopen in the Polish spelling of his name, born in Poland in a mixed Polish-French family (in arts, namely music), and John Paul II (in religion/politics; I am mentioning the latter, as many believe that he was one of those who contributed to the fall of communism).
And the list goes on... but other names, like Jan Szczepanik (the "Polish Edison"), or Ignacy Łukasiewcz, who actually initiated the Oil Boom/Oil Rush by simply inventing the kerosene lamp will only be known by some initiated few.
Keep up the good work, I'd love to meet the two of you and talk about things over a few pints or a bottle of good, chilled vodka. Let me know if you come by Liverpool some (sunny) day 😉😎
Interesting facts - Copernicus had problems with the bishop not because of his work but because of his alleged mistress. He lived in a relationship with his housekeeper Anna. In many letters, Bishop Dantyszek ordered Copernicus to remove Anna. Copernicus claimed that he could not throw the woman out because I did not have a new apartment for her.
Usually if a chilhood home of really famous person still exists its been turned into a museum.
However ive seen in Kraków many placks on many residential buildings from like 1930s with who lived inside. Mostly imortant people if ww2 and after
There's Władysław Gomółka's house where I live.... it's an old small house and practically nobody knows it extsts
Darmo Kopernik dowcipny dowodzi,
Że Słońce stoi, Ziemia kołem chodzi;
Ta się manija w głowie wtenczas rodzi,
Kiedy kto w mózgu w trunku se podbrodzi.
5:51 I love the reaction to finding out that Copernicus was educated in medicine. It was a time of renaissance. There was not that much knowledge to learn about anything, so it was easy to learn nearly everything. Poeta doctus and so on. Also don't roll your eyes about the church education. That was the best! education man could get at the time. Ether that, craft education (forming bourgeoisie) or noble (warrior) education. At this time most universities only teached rhetoric, grammar, dialectics, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, music, theology, law, philosophy and medicine. The end.
Copernicus' ideas later evolved into what is called today the Copernican principle. It states more or less that we should assume that our place in the universe (as the observers) is average, rather than special. It is still used by scientists in astronomy, cosmology and astrophysics. Also, when asked what was the impulse that started the Scientific Revolution, historians of science often point to Copernicus.
1:56. These plates on the right and left of the entrance indicate that it is historical place. But we don't have any standards how they look. But there are sometimes blue signs on the road to point to such places.
9:59 That is overstatement: Copernicus thought orbits ware circular (not elliptical) He was more precise in this measurement of size of those circles, then hes predecessors tho.
Homes of the most influential poles are not just have a plaque on them, most of them are converted into museum.
Hi Rob, we got blue checkers plaque on buildings and that means the particular building is on the list of architectural monuments of the National Heritage. So it proves historical value/essence but does not relate directly to specific owners and/or occupants of such a building
8:40 About flat Earth thing. It's extra dumb when you realize that ancient Greeks not only proved that earth is round but also calculated it's size with 99% precision using two sticks, ruler and the sun
Yep amazing right!
And then the Internet comes along and suddenly a whole lot of flat-Earthers come out from the shadows and brag that they have followers "all around the globe". Gawd help me.
1:43 yes we have. In Szczecin for example was born Katherine the great( for some great, we hate her from the botom of heart) so there is her house in Szczecin. And there is her plate on the wall. But I was saying we hate that bi.. so that plate is 4 m above the gruont and its anreadable :)
In case someone would tell You that Kopernik was only German bc some people think so (Some German scientists are saying he was the one), I've got cases why not:
Researchers say that it is known for sure that he spoke Polish, German and Latin on the same level. Various well-known encyclopedies such as: Encyclopedia Americana, The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, The Oxford World Encyclopedia, World Book Encyclopedia refer to him as "Polish astronomer". He actively supported Poland in fight with Teutonic Order and many polish words were found written on margins of his notebooks.
Yn, we need to defend our national figures. Germans are already convinced that he had German nationality :D Personally considering all the evidence (including German identity arguments) i think that he was a Pole with German roots or Polish-German.
Do you know of a single piece (a letter for example) by him written in Polish? I do not. No doubt he was of German descent. As most inhabitants of Polish cities were.
@@fandzejka9540 He wrote mostly in Latin which was the official language of Poland back then. It was the Renaissance era. The Polish alphabet was only being invented back then. Most Polish poets and writers still composed in Latin, esp. the Catholic ones like Copernicus. The Polish language was slowly propagated by Protestants. The first Bible in Polish was published and Kochanowski wrote his Treny. But it was only the very beginning of the Polish language culture.
@@sylwiatime written polish emerges in XII century, there are known bigger chunks of literature in Polish in middle ages (kazania swietokrzyskie, psalterz florianski) and first "scientifical" treaty on how Polish spelling should be from 1440.
@@fandzejka9540 You only prove my point. While there were single pieces written in Polish back then 99% of Polish literature was written in Latin. Have you ever wondered where are all the Polish philosophers, poets etc. writing before Kochanowski and his contemporaries? The way they teach kids at school nowadays seems as if for several centuries there were no Polish writers at all, and then suddenly there were several important figures. But the truth is there were really many Polish Latin writers, some even known all over Europe. You just don't learn about them because they didn't create in Polish. Back then though, Latin, not Polish, was the "Polish" language of culture.
@@sylwiatime i do not prove anything above there is no proof Kopernik spoke Polish. But even if - so what? That wouldnt be anything special for an advisor of king of Poland. The fact he wrote letters in German indicates something I guess. I am totally aware of things you are saying but cmon. He's mothers family name was Watzenrode. Sure Poland has ,,right,, to him, but he was a product of German city/town culture, so careful with all the appropriation and overstreched searching for his Polish-Polish roots.
Rob u definitely should visit Toruń because this City is beautiful
by the way
Big 👍
yea it looks stunning
As an Aussie who's been there, I certainly wouldn't disagree. Beautiful!
You could make something about Tolkiens, who lived in Gdańsk for two generations and after partitions emigrated to London. They were one of those job stealers in Britain. Not sure if they spoke Polish (Twas the free city of Gdańsk back then with various nationalities), but for sure they supported Polish crown.
I would very much like to see evidence of the authenticity of those documents. This all thing was discovered by a Polish right-winger PiS fanboy and religious catholic fanatic Derdzinsky, who can't help but smuggle his political and ideological agenda into all things Tolkien-related of self-run websites, foras and social profiles, and he's doing all he can to exclude the Tolkien's literature fans based on their own views, if they vary from his. Check for example the main page of elendilion. He might as well forged the aforementioned documents to convince everyone that Tolkien is ethnically Polish and manipulate his person and his prose into a reflection of himself and his views.
@@OstblockLatina ,,The Tolkien family originated in the East Prussian town Kreuzburg near Königsberg, where the Tolkien name is attested since the 16th century. The verified paternal line of J. R. R. Tolkien starts with Michel Tolkien, born around 1620 in Kreuzburg. Michel's son Christianus Tolkien (1663-1746) was a wealthy miller in Kreuzburg. His son Christian Tolkien (1706-1791) moved from Kreuzburg to nearby Danzig, and his two sons Daniel Gottlieb Tolkien (1747-1813) and Johann (later known as John) Benjamin Tolkien (1752-1819) emigrated to London in the 1770s, and became the ancestors of the English family. The family first appears in English records in 1777. In 1792 John Benjamin Tolkien and William Gravell took over the Erdley Norton manufacture in London, which from then on sold clocks and watches under the name Gravell & Tolkien. Daniel Gottlieb obtained British citizenship in 1794, but John Benjamin apparently never became a British citizen. Their German nephew Daniel Gottlieb Bergmann also joined them in London. Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien, who died in London in 1819, was the 2nd great-grandfather of J. R. R. Tolkien.''
Tolkiens were Prussians, not Poles. Perhaps more or less assimilated with Poles during the XVIIIth century. And Elendilion do not praise bout John Ronald's political views. It says he was mainly apolitical with a little anarcho twist. He wasn't Polish, but he can be connected with Poland. It's just a fun fact.
Greetings from Toruń 😊
1. Toruń is famous for gingerbread. 2. I don't think the division between Art and Science even existed back then. To the Renaissance people Science was Art. 3. The first time Copernicus went to Italy it was with his brother and they partied all the time, without finishing any studies at all. That's why they were forced to return to Poland. Lucas Watzenrode, their influential uncle, pleaded with the Polish king to send them again. They were allowed to go the second time but to two different cities so they would avoid each other's bad influence. 4. At that time the Catholic Church didn't oppose Copernicus' work. On the contrary. Copernicus, who was employed by the Catholic Church all his life, was regularly sending his notes to Vatican, and he was encouraged to publish it. Copernicus was allowed to dedicate his work to the pope, which he did. The Church saw it as an interesting theory, but only theory. The later problems arose when scientists wanted to promote the idea as the only right one without sufficient proof. That's when the Church banned his work. The proof was brought only 200 years later by Newton. Gravity could explain why people don't drop out of the Earth if it is round. So Newton's discovery gave the beginning to the Copernican Revolution, not only in science but in art as well. Suddenly Man was no longer in the center of every theory. More attention was given to Nature.
BTW People tend to see famous men like Copernicus or Chopin as very solemn and mature. In fact, they were brats. You cannot discover or invent anything if you don't push boundaries.
Usually there is some memory board,made from bronze or something with inscription like "in this place were born Mariusz Pudzianowski, one of most famous Polish,etc", after that can be a part of history of his life 🤷🏻♂️, something usual.
"E.g. in 1991 when he was a teenager,he was a part of event of throwing of a tractor.
He could win,he had the longest throw, but he was disqualified, because he didn't disconnect his two trailers "
😂😂😂
You guys should do a road trip through Poland and go & see some of these places. You see so much more than flying point to point and only seeing the city you land in. Wroclaw, Poznan, Toruń, Warsaw, Lublin... Just to name a few.
We would love to, but not sure if we would be able to get enough time to do all in one go.
I really like your enthusiasm. Regards.
Lol. When I saw the thumbnail, I thought it was Paul McCartney. 😂 Great video though and good comments Rob.
In Warsaw we have Marie Curie's house
Greetings from Toruń
1:48 in Warszawa it's rather white glass ones
Hello Rob. Nice vid as always.
Working with wood and old furniture(which i do fo living) i brought up an opinnion that older is better. In example I have woeked with some 19th century furniture pieces and they were in superb condition.(a bit worn ofc) The level of craftsmanship was at super master level in comparison with present day. Artisans of former days had limited workshop options and what they have achieved. Humbly, I've restored their former glory.
You're absolutely right. Furthermore; back then (even 50 years ago) wood was of better quality and ways of preparation were very complicated. (From my personal experience: When i was cutting planks from my granny's old shed, modern planks were like plastic, but older were so hard i nedded to use wedges and hammer, and after they broke, I could feel real wood (fresh even) smell.)
So there was a consensus of scientists backing the incorrect ptolemy theory that believed the science was settled.
Hmmmmmm
It only took one to be right.
Great vid Rob.
I am from Poland and I can confirm that those red brick buildings shown in the film are the house belonging to Copernicus' family, where he was probably born 🤓
Copernicus was known to work at Starbucks as a barista in Torun during his young years. He was quite popular among local girls, LOL. Didn't you know that, Rob? Some people have even old receipts in their collections with his cashier #. Come on now!
That might be important and I haven't seen it in comments yet. Kopernik in polish meant "merchant who sells spices" .
Rob!!!, I would recommend ,,Historia bez Cenzury'' channel when you want to refer to polish history. These english speaking channels don't really express polish history true way. Historia bez cenzury- they have really funny way to talk about history, subtitles included!
I recommend it, too.
1:50 In some cases the house is turned in to museum. In other there is some kind of memorial on the wall. Usually a brass plate with name, time of life and some story about the person. Sometimes a small picture. There is no standardized way to sign those buildings in Poland.
There are also common plates in our country, but there is no proper one for it
Toruń, my home town
As my old teacher used to say, when in search of truth, remember to "Cop that", referring to Copernicus's method of discovery.
Knowledge discovery has always had evolution, even cave men pursued these, one picked up a rock and claim revolution, while his mate picked up a stick and hit him over the head and said, no you dolt, this is the way....
Science and its beauty is in the fact that it’s always seeking to break down a challenge theories, and therefore move things forward, and how we interpret and understand both reality, as well as the universe beyond.
whatever you think about Copernicus, go and visit Toruń, you will not regret it
Rob Kopernik was like a Da Vinci
Reacting to you post's caption...I would have thought it was the North Pole...as everyone has tried to get there...
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Love your work Rob.
haha always a smart arse ;)
Mate I would love to join you on one of your episode about Poland.... I'm polish living in UK for last 16 years and I would love to give you heads up about our colture and straight thinking.... Give me a shout if you wanna colabo.... Peace up bro.... BTW love the chanel so far!!!! ❤🎉
1:55 Yes, we do. In fact moment you asked this question there was sign "Dom Mikołaja Kopernika"- "House of Nicolaus Copernicus" in the video
Yea but that was because it was specifically a museum for him
@@RobReacts1 True. For most of homes like that are turned into museums. Other ones usually just have stone tablet saying that this person lived there.
I don't think it's standardised and not sure how it is in other cities but in Kraków there are tablets informing about a famous person who used to live in the house. I can assure you passed a few yourself while you were walking around the Old Town.
Unfortunately, in Poland we do not use uniform markings for family houses of famous people.
As for Copernicus himself, he came from a German family and most likely his first language was German. However, we know that he spoke and wrote in Polish and was a loyal subject of the Polish king. To his achievements, in addition to what was mentioned in the film, one must add the formulation of the law in finance, which today is called the Copernicus-Gresham law, and the propagation of the geometric theory named after him today. In addition, Copernicus translated philosophical writings from Greek into Latin, he was also a poet, the author of a poem entitled "Seven Stars" (written in Latin :)), and if that wasn't enough, he was also a military engineer co-leading the defense of Olsztyn in the Polish-German war. So he was a bit like Leonardo da Vinci in terms of versatility.
The thing is Copernicus is not the author of the heliocentric theory nor is he the the most important man in popularizing it (that would be Galileo). Copernican principle is more important: don't stand out any point in universe without pointing out the reason and taking it in to calculation. It means people should not observe anything and think that there perspective is the only or best one!
Ptolemy made his model from the perspective of someone, who lives on Earth and it was accurate, but complicated. It was not "wrong", just stupidly worktaking to calculate anything. Copernicus made his model forma a perspective of someone living on the sun even though he observed the planets form earth and it was better, cause it was easier to calculate the calendar with it.
He was probably more influential globally than in Poland itself
That kind of situation happens more often than we think.
I don't know if this is true with Poles not to know about important discovery of Copernicus maybe for new generation, when i was at school all kids new who was Mikołaj Kopernik.
To make easy for children we were taught this sentence WSTRZYMAŁ SŁOŃCE RUSZYŁ ZIEMIE POLSKIE GO WYDAŁO PLEMIE.
what would be in English. HE STOP THE SUN MOVE THE GLOB , HE WAS FROM POLISH TRIBE.
@@grash4435 It's funny because he wasn't born to a Polish tribe, Copernicus was German, his works were written in Latin, but all private correspondence was in German. The rest of the family names also clearly indicate this.
@@grash4435 I'm not saying we don't know about Kopernik, de are taught about him and we perfectly know who he is. I'm just saying he had bigger impact internationally that in Poland
@@malkontentniepoprawny6885 unfortunately Germans claims Copernicus but who knows??. Looking this this French can claims Chopin ect...ect,,,
Do we take in consideration place where people are born or nationality of the parents. Mikołaj was born in Toruń and for me he was Pole. Any way for me it doesn't matter, in the past they didn't have passports . And we don't know what he taught about His Family roots are connected with Poland. They were born in Poland and died in Poland. What ever he was only he knew. Mikołaj was born in Poland and died in Poland. We all can all agree he was extremely well educated , open minded man and deserve to be famous
Rob look up to the stars and look on Earth where You leave your steps :)
Remember learning about Copernicus in Primary School..
He was a Renaissance man.
... no ...
... wikipedia ...
Stanisław Lem a Polish writer of science fiction.
Jan Józef Ignacy Łukasiewicz a Polish pharmacist, engineer, businessman, inventor, and philanthropist.
Stefan Banach a Polish mathematician.
Ernest Malinowski a Polish civil engineer - the world's highest railway, the Ferrovias Central, in the Peruvian Andes between 1871-1876.
Krystyna Skarbek, also known as Christine Granville, a Polish agent of the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) during the Second World War.
Wanda Rutkiewicz a Polish mountain climber and computer engineer. She was the first woman to reach the summit of K2 and the third woman (first European woman) to summit Mount Everest.
Irena Sendler also referred to as Irena Sendlerowa a Polish humanitarian, social worker, and nurse who served in the Polish Underground Resistance during World War II in German-occupied Warsaw. From October 1943 she was head of the children's section of Żegota, the Polish Council to Aid Jews.
There are a hell of a lot more prominent Poles. Your list is not exhaustive - not by a long shot.
I have more videos on people to watch :)
mmmmmm gingerbread from Toruń
😅😅 Poland love a the facts,no history fake
Rob, if you want to see Poland from a different side, I invite you to my house in the Opole region. Currently I live in the UK (coventry) we can meet you and talk I'm a history freak and I'd love to show it to you
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Rob,I am impressed about your knowledge of Poland, how did you achieve this?
WOW.
Atm lots of Poles don't know that.
He just like to learn things :)
@@tr3p4n4t0r I understand that, but this is not too easy to achieve this knowledge of Poland,I suppose that most of Polish don't know those facts
@@sebastian-ic1mz I agree.
Ive been to krakow 4 times. And I just love to learn! Thats mainly what my channel is about. You should never stop learning :D
@@misiocsl I didn't say that I didn't learn that, please read with understanding.
I'll appreciate that.
I believe you are not right. Science doesn't want to prove the fact; science always tries to challenge current knowledge. And that's what drives us forward. Because we don't know the fact (to prove it), before we discover it. About the video, it's a pity that the video didn't mention that besides being an astronomer and a bishop, he was also a civilian commander of Olsztyn's defense during a Polish-Teutonic Order war.
Are you Watching Swans game?
Hmm what a joke 🤬
@@RobReacts1 1 point loss - unbelievable after a good lead.
It's not true. The most influential Pole on the fate of the world was Tadeusz Kaczyński.
is the most popular Marjusz Pudzianowski POLSKA GÓRĄ KURWA
But he is not from Toruń kurwa 🤨🙄🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😜
I'm from Toruń and there is a joke tak Mikołaj Kopernik was a really ugly woman (becouse he had long hair)
It's a good thing he was a Pole, otherwise he would have been burned
_It's a good thing he was a Pole, otherwise he would have been burned._ Do you mean to say that in the 16th century all the European population, apart from the Poles, was burnt? 🤔
One of the fact, Mikołaj Kopernik didn't speak Polish
Wrong. Lack of proof that he spoke polish is NOT the proof that he couldn't.
@@psow4062 lack of proof, there is a lot proofs that he spoke different languages, but nothing about Polish,also you can find a few facts that he didn't speak Polish.
Let me know if I am wrong
Really? Your source for this? He studied in Krakow from where his Polish father came. Torun was in the Kingdom of Poland when he was born in 1473 years after it was reclaimed by the Poles when they had the victories over the Teutonic Knights. He was both a Polish and Latin speaker, and probably spoke German and Italian. His mother was a Watzenrode which originated from Silesia but her mother (Copernicus's grandmother) was a Modlibóg. The Modibogs were a prominent Polish family who had been well known in Poland's history since 1271.
@@ronaldostrowski4014 we are 100% sure that he knew Latin and German, but only little bit, that he knew Polish
He most likely knew Polish (although German was spoken in Toruń), perhaps he also spoke Italian, since he spent 10 years of study in Italy. However, he did not leave any writing in Polish, so there is no 100% certainty of his knowledge of this language. You're drawing inappropriate conclusions.
The most famous German born on the territory of present-day Poland. He wasn't a Pole.
"Present-day"moron.
He didn't even speak Polish : )
How do you know that?
Nie first coffee shop in Poland was established in seventeenth century
Well, we don't have any specific kind of plaques down here in Poland. E.g. the house of Fahrenheit's (this mthrfcr's thanks to which we have always to calculate what exactly 70 degrees means in the US) birth looks like that www.wiatrak.nl/sites/default/files/2020-09/Gdansk-Dom-Fahrenheita-1.jpg.
In Warsaw there are commemorative plaques on builings with a brief description of the person and achievements.
They can be related to the building, the street that the person is the patron of, etc.
They usually look like this: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-CbOF8LXbnl0/VhU9nOYzmLI/AAAAAAAAAeU/h_L6NHH65YE/s1600/20151003_101143.jpg