LGR - IBM PS/2 Model 60 Lives Again!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Fixed up this classic piece of IBM PC history and figured I'd show it off inside and out! Here's the original video this is a follow-up to:
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*For those wanting to poke around the CNC folder:*
Here's an archive of the files! archive.org/details/lgr-cnc-model60
+Lazy Game Reviews Cool! Some source included! It looks like the machine was hooked to the COM2 port, which is hard coded with interrupt 0x2f8. kind of... bad idea... no config file. and there's a scary comment that kind of says they "hope" it works. this makes me laugh so hard knowing that this thing was used to send CNC data files to a machine that's worth in the 100 000$, and they have to recompile the thing whenever there's change in the pc hardware, which we'll agree did not happen often in the days before PnP but STILL. Incredible ;)
The data files are probably generated with another software.
You can write the CNC programs in notepad. That's what I did when I wrote cnc programs. The machine itself couldnt hold more than a few programs so you had to use a computer like this as storage. Even if the hard drive was only 15 megs it would be plenty because a cnc file would hardly take up a kB most of the time. I think the machine I mostly ran had 4 or 8 program slots in it.
I noticed the SCORBOT directory. That was software used to control a robotic arm, often used in industry and higher education for robotics training. They still make Scorbots today, except now they're controlled through weenie modern USB ports.
Fascinating, thanks for the info!
pretty cool stuff!
I wonder if the arms would still accept the Inputs from thid version
(weeine)
There's a stark beauty to these machines that nothing today exhibits....I remember my 286 from the early 90s: that professional business aesthetic...they had it down pat. I could look at them all day..
I love this thing. the sound, the way it works and the looks!!
Damn near twenty years after I first switched on a computer (386 with Win 3.11, even came with Raptor, SimCity and I think Crystal Caves, since I know I played it somewhere) I still love the sound they make in the first few seconds after you flip the switch/press the button.
That is one of the machines I found in regular service (well more or less: as a non networked standalone machine) when I started my job in 2000. Some other ones included a Macintosh Plus with PhoneNet ADB adapter and external hard disk, and a Macintosh SE used as a file server. In a closet I found a working recently decomissioned Apple IIc. In AD 2000.
Many years ago I actually was given an IBM 286 system identical to this case-wise - it was being thrown out by a TV station (scheduling and system control etc.) Except that it used SCSI raid 2 X30 Meg I believe, with a connector to an external box for two more drives. It had no software but (with difficulty) I was able to load DOS 5.0. Fascinating machine!
I love that the source code for that cnc program is still in that directory. Might be interesting to take a look at an ancient CNC control program for a 286 if you upload it somewhere.
Here's an archive of the files! bit.ly/24iNyfM
+Lazy Game Reviews Thanks! Interesting, the program is actually extremely simple.
It looks like it communicates with an onboard controller on the CNC machine through the parallel port, which in turn does all the actual work.
This program just sends complete files with instructions to the CNC controller, and simple high-level commands like start/stop etc, all the while reading back status information which it displays on screen.
That's one beautiful machine you got there.
Think i need to find my families computer from the late 90's.
It had these huge integrated speakers on the side and a floppy disk drive under that huge monitor.
Those glorious startup noises. Takes me right back. =)
Just have to love the MFM HDD start! I miss the old machines I used to have!
That is one hell of a PC. That PC is gorgeous!!!!! I'm really jealous :)
I had this in lat 90s, running on windows 3.11, this could run some older games, like doom, and other stuff.
This totally got my nostalgia juices flowing
Love your vids keep them coming
Now, the real question is: Can you manage to get ahold of a Microchannel Soundblaster to give it some real oomph? (Yes, they were a thing.)
I imagine I have more of a chance of getting struck by lightning.
+Lazy Game Reviews Ouch, that rare huh? Well, I only even know about them because my dad (who worked for IBM) got one for our 386 PS/2 at the time.
+Lazy Game Reviews Next LGR Thrifts: LGR finds an MCA SoundBlaster sitting next to twenty copies of Willenium and a beckoning cat clock
Man I want one of those with an E-ATX dual Xeon setup. Paint it black and have a smoked acrylic side panel.
Great ... thanks for remember me those things !!!
I wish I had half the collection you had man, maybe I'd get better luck if I move up a state to SC lol
Talking about the lights jokingly made me wonder have you ever plugged some of these older systems in o a Kill A Watt meter? Would be interesting to see how much some older home pc's pulled.
I love these old machines. Quick question, when the CMOS gets cleared as a result of the battery dying, do you have to run a special "setup disk" to configure BIOS settings? That's how it is on my Compaq Deskpro 386, and that has the classic Dallas RTC battery/ROM chip in one. Basically if your floppy drive goes bad and the battery dies, or you don't have that setup disk anymore, you can no longer configure the BIOS settings. Just wondering if that's the case with these old PS/2s.
The HDD cracked me up.^^
sounds like starting a mech. Its hard drive propably generates a gravity field of its own.
Quick question, How much was this back in the day?
Talked about pricing in the previous PS/2 video, linked to in the description!
You should record the turning off sound and use that at the end of your videos 😋
+dondon4720 That's actually a great idea :D Clint should totally do that, in combination with the turn on sound just before the intro :D
You can get a similar experience using a more modern server chassis, I think. I got a server-type tower made by Chenbro a while back, and the fans in that thing are LOUD by modern standards. I actually ended up swapping them out, they were so bad.
"Hear this thing turn off."
*see's the note that reads "Please do not turn off"*
o.o
+multani82 Even the computer sounded like it was going "Nooooooooooooo...." :P
+Fuzy2K "Clinteyyyyy, Cliiiinteeyyyyyy..."
+multani82 *sees*
I'm pretty sure a server somewhere went down when Clint turned it off.
that is quite funny.
Some company's servers probably died when he turned it off.
Ubisoft it's time for you to upgrade your damn servers!
Nah, that thing sounds way to reliable to be the uPlay server
+Jake Cobovic god died when he turned it off
That thing is honestly sexier than a few of my ex-girlfriends.
*More info on the MFM hard drive:*
Many PS/2 Model 60/80 machines used ESDI drives instead of MFM, but that is not the case here!
Looking on the sticker you'll see IBM P/N 6373507, which is a Seagate ST-4053 MFM hard drive. There were also cards like the 90X6768 that supported MFM drives on MCA hardware.
+Lazy Game Reviews Very cool. I wish I can have that machine.
+Lazy Game Reviews I was just thinking about when you would follow up with your great haul the other day! Glad to see such a nice setup!
Dude, you could go surfing with this thing, it's so freakin' big!
+Lazy Game Reviews I have one question of this machine, I hope you can answer it. How many Watts do it use?
cool to see it alive . makes a lot of noise like me when I wake up
I've used an old machine for CNC work before, and it's great. IT wasn't neaerly as old as this thing, but it's pretty much the same.
G0 X1.2 Y3.3
Such memories!
My first PC was a LaserPal 286/16 from Sears :D
Nice! "The power package for the budget conscious" as their tagline went, hehe.
What a BEAST of a machine!
The red huge power switch is pure authority
modern pc cases should have a big red switch like that, love it
This was really cool to see - the modular PSU was epic!
And that massive number of expansion slots makes me a little too happy.
0:56 getting ready for take-off!
This is my kind of porn!
(yeah, I dont regret saying that)
It sounded like a spaceship powering up when you turned it on.
0:58 Fuck yeah, THAT'S what a proper computer sounds like.
Holy crap that giant thing is the hard drive? And the processor has no fan or heatsink? Dude. Strange things are afoot.
+JimPlaysGames with the insanely low frequencys the 286 chips ran at its no suprise realy.
+JimPlaysGames CPUs didn't need fans or heatsinks until the 486DX2 era.
+JimPlaysGames Welcome to the late 80's man.
Anyone who lived during that time has a bit of a love/hate relationship with the technology. Nothing as amazing as a solid IBM PC...but at the same time I'm not willing to give up my Lenovo Think products now.
Today:
44MB hard drives = 1cm x 2cm
+Can of Soda no, 128 gb micro sd-cards 1 cm * 1.3 cm or something like that
0:58
Damn me, LGR. Can you just make one ASMR vid of computers, monitors, printers, whatever you have in there turning on, off and working. Only ASMR vid I'd ever crave.
Something I've considered, for sure!
+Lazy Game Reviews Do it entirely in your Duke Nukem voice!
+LittleNorwegians sounds like a ephemeral rift thing
+LittleNorwegians Yesss, and include the nice clunk of the power switch, too. The switch on this computer in particular sounds wonderful.
+Lazy Game Reviews Do it
Love the knowledge of the ancients on display.
That switch and turn on/off sound was just plain awesome! It just screams power...even though it's so old.
My school had some of the EduQuest Model 40 machines (basically a one-piece PS/2 Model 40 sold directly to schools), and I do remember the floppy mechanism on them just being nicer than average. Other machines would load a disk with a pretty serious "thud", but the PS/2 would accept it with more of a "snik". And the heads had a minimum of gronk-gronk to them, mostly you were just treated to the whisper of the disk media spinning against the padding inside the disk.
So how is the Hot Wheels PC doing? I'd love to see a video on it when it's done!
I've got an update in the works, stay tuned!
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Awesome! Keep up the good work mate! I look forward to it
That power switch is almost sexual in its operation. Every computer should have a big red switch on the front that looks and sounds like a breaker box switch, that is a world in which I would like to live.
These 1980s IBM ps2 models were a one type fixed design. You couldn't just swap in a normal 3.5 ide hard drive from a AT pc. I remember working on these back in early 90s. Very complex and one off design for sure. Stock up on these now because parts are getting more and more scarce. Thx for sharing this!
I just picked up a model 57 and did not expect to find a 50 pin SCSI drive. Luckily SCSI to SD adapters are readily available!
What happens if it reaches 88mph 😱
+Johnny AFC You gonna see some serious shit.
+EikNachuiKRC "but why built a time machine out of an ibm ps/2?"
"The way I see it, if you're going to built a time machine, you've gotta do it in style!"
Funny. That's exactly what I thought when I saw that 1.21 GW PSU in it.
+Johnny AFC
It transforms into Super Pursuit Mode!
the real question is What will happen if it reaches 80286MPH? :^)
i hope that someone will get that reference..
Might be worth trying Wolfenstein on it, which I think it will be able to handle. Doom, if memory serves me right, required a 386 (ideally a 486). :)
I played doom on a 386. Don't recommend.
It sounds like a quiteter version of an M1 Abrams turbine winding up.
$300 for that whole lot?! That's a steal!
I LOVE THE ON/OFF SWITCH.. Nostalgia..
That is a sexy machine and it sounds terrific when it boots up.
Where do the sounds come from, like when you loaded and played Crystal Caves? Are they coming from the monitor or tower?
EDIT: Haha the 9 volt with the case speaker! BRILLIANT.
Coming from the tower's built-in PC speaker! I pointed out the speaker at 07:52
I had one of the later models back in the day after they were considered junk, and yes I swapped the SX33 with a DX2/66, maxed out the ram and filled it with as many drives as I could.
What I created was a POS that also weighed a ton, but maaaaan was that thing cool in its way.
You know when you are a console gamer when every time he says PS/2, you think PS2.
I didn't know that MFM survived long enough to get a Microchannel controller. That's interesting.
Even my USB floppy drives are louder, takes me back to people comparing the smoothness or how fast their CD drive ejected.
Why is everything so SLANTED?
IBM loved slants and angles in the late-80s, man.
+Baron Josef Slants make it run faster.
Tram the Ram Then why doesn't the HotWheels PC have any slants?
that was it's major downside. the fire paint job helps but you only get about half the true speed that way. Also notice how this computer is running and the hot-wheels one is not (at the time of this comment.)
Tram the Ram Pretty sure he got it all working now.
LOL to the floppy disk sound effects lol.
I like this unscripted videos, you should do more
Thanks for the feedback! I'm considering more like this if people enjoy :)
+Lazy Game Reviews ENJOY!! lol I do like them sir!
+Lazy Game Reviews
I like both the unscripted, and the more scripted ones.
+Fernando Chiquelho I agree they make a nice contrast from the usual reviews and tech tales. Keeps the channel "fresh"!
+Lazy Game Reviews Please, less software video stabilisation. This stretching looks just.... wrong.
Your enthusiasm for older technology is infectious!!! I love it!
It is a cool machine. Sadly, my problem with 286 and 086 is that after you finish enjoying the repair and set up.... Well, I am not left with much more to do. Windows 3.1 won't work quite well, and 99% of the games you can play on it are arcade platforms, which I royaly suck at.
I think that my thing would be more of a 486 with Dos6.22 for Sim City2000, Doom, Blood, Duke3d... And a Pentium 1 for those weird Windows 95 games.
Floppy drive quietness is actually a feature of PC-DOS. Yes, those floppy drives are no doubt top-notch. But if you were to boot MS-DOS on that same machine, you'd probably notice more noise coming from that floppy drive on seek. It has something to do with the way PC-DOS moves the drive heads compared to MS-DOS. I believe PC-DOS instructs the floppy drives to move directly to a certain track, while MS-DOS steps to each track on it's way to the track it's looking for, making the drive noisier.
Jeez... and I thought my old desktop PC was loud, but on boot this thing sounds as if it could serve as an APU for a small jet.
1:00 listen to the beast slowly waking up
Trying to find an MCA sound card that works in DOS is the biggest pain in the butt I've ever experienced with retro hardware. Finding a clean Amiga 1200 was far easier.
I dig the startup sound. You should do a HQ maybe ASMR video of a bunch of different machine's boot sounds, and beeps and such.
Man, that's seriously the coolest thing I've seen in a whlie. I was smiling throughout the video. If someone had shown me that hard drive and told me it's an electric coffee grinder or something, I probably would've believed it.
LGR this makes me so happy to see I’ve been following for a while but just now seeing it I just recently got a IBM ThinkCentre and this just makes me happy
You can hear the love in his voice =)
That is one sexy machine
Wow, that is a beautiful piece of older tech. Even though I know it is now outclassed by anything that has been on the market for years, I still can recognize a beast when I see one.
why did you copy that floppy?
To rhyme.
I watched your first vid on the IBM lot. my dad used to programming for IBM's .when they got rid of the model 60 we had 34 of them at home for £1 go clear them. they are so well. built and tons of room inside for a modern PC build. if anyone has one and lives near Brighton in UK please let me know if love to have one again.
Sorry dude but most of us are waiting for that sweet Hot Wheels PC to be converted into a beast with an i7 and triple SLI Titans :P
Show me a modern motherboard that can last 30 years.
+Gooberslot We'll show you one in 30 years I suppose.
+Potyo I'm pretty sure you won't, not unless it's been stuffed in a box for 30 years and never used.
+wayn3h True, and the RoHS lead-free bullshit doesn't help either.
Clint, you're such an awesome dude! Watching your videos gives me the warm feeling of knowing that not all the people in USA are braindead, and because of geeks like you there's still hope for your nation!
The power switch looks so satisfying to use.
I have heard you draw comparisons to classic cars and classic computers and why you love them. This thing os like the equivalent of a vintage flag ship Mercedes.
Thumbs up for the excellent floppy drive impression.
Like the idea of this Computer being used make the prototype parts for the space shuttle... now it's spends the rest of it's days running Crystal Caves.
At 2:13 you can actually see that there seems to be a C source code file for the CNC program (CNC.C). I would love to see its contents!
I'd love to overhaul one of those, with all that space inside it'd make for a beast of a gaming machine. Unassuming on the outside, beast on the inside.
Yeah, I've always liked that idea. I have even searched for new cases in that classic grey style, but nope.
Listen to that start up and shut down. Now that is beautiful. PC's are not as cool as they used to be.
Don't get me wrong.. I love the Technology we have now but there's something about the computers back in the 80s I miss.
It's so clean on the inside! Did you clean it before you filmed this? Also sweet video, love seeing this kinda stuff!
Yep, I've been cleaning it up and restoring it whenever I get the chance!
OK - I was about to call BS on this ever having been used for CNC. ;-) There's no layer of protective gunk on every surface.
The startup - AH, MEMORIES. I visited a few server halls when I was a kid and I remember specifically one time I visited Volvo and needed ear protectors!
I needed that trip today, thanks.
You missed a joke :p "Case of steel"
Man I would love to record and capture all of these awesome sounds. The Power Off sound was insane!
Belated, but any chance you could copy off the CNC software? It looks like it has source code (CNC.C), and those things are always cool to check out.
Thanks for all the great content! I'm sure I speak for many here when I say that you're keeping my inner child of the 80s alive and well.
Does it come with a coal fired power station plant for it own supply.
As a computer tech, i like seeing your reviews of old hardware. Keep 'em going!
The title of this video brings joy to many of us. PS/2 IBM computers were built to last. Love the quality of those machines and it's always good to see one functioning 100%. The granddaddies of modern PCs.
Love the design language, the mouse is amazing and that power button that's just awesome. The blue eject button on the floppy drive, it even has 1.44 in white lettering on it. The slanted angles.
omg, thats easily the quietest floppy drive ive ever heard either.
Back in the day IBM made the most beautiful computers ever made. Totallt miss the 80´s and 90's
+Søren Nicolaisen Nope, Olivetti did ;)
What the heck LGR you uploaded in 2160p?! You mad man you :D
These machines, they did things better, much better.
wow that thing is a total beast congrats on a good pc score
A lid to flip open over that red switch would be sweet