WHY SEGA Has Been INCONSISTENT with Sonic Games - Discussion

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • In this video I talk about the people behind-the-scenes who've made the Sonic games, and Why they should be UNITED from now on when they make future games.
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  • @mrbanks456
    @mrbanks456 6 років тому +153

    "They're bringing back everybody" "Sonic Forces is gonna be the Sonic game we've been waiting for" ...well this video is outdated.

    • @lukeforce123
      @lukeforce123 6 років тому +22

      To be fair, this was made 8 months ago, back when the hype was real.

    • @Antonio-is2cn
      @Antonio-is2cn 2 роки тому

      Sonic Forces was still good so shut up

  • @crimsonflame2k
    @crimsonflame2k 6 років тому +47

    So, it's not just the fanbase that's divided. Wow, the state of Sonic's a lot more unstable than I thought.

  • @premydaremy
    @premydaremy 7 років тому +196

    Pretty sure Miyamoto wasn't involved in Super Mario Land as well

    • @GamerGuyd7Aces
      @GamerGuyd7Aces  7 років тому +21

      Lol I'm just talking about the consoles mostly.. except Mario 3D Land. That's what you were referring to right?

    • @premydaremy
      @premydaremy 7 років тому +25

      Mario Land is different from Mario 3D Land lol

    • @GamerGuyd7Aces
      @GamerGuyd7Aces  7 років тому +19

      Ohh yeah, I remember Mario Land. Yep, wasn't talking about that lol

    • @sleepyeyedplumber
      @sleepyeyedplumber 7 років тому +7

      If I remember correctly, Metroid creator Gunpei Yokoi directed SML, didn't he?

    • @MegaReedX
      @MegaReedX 7 років тому +2

      +sleepyeyedplumber he did

  • @knuxuki1013
    @knuxuki1013 7 років тому +54

    3:47 OK.....Sega is clearly trying to make orcas the scariest thing on the planet. How is that possible lol

  • @garyconstanza3120
    @garyconstanza3120 7 років тому +74

    If Forces turns out to be a great game, then there's no reason to keep splitting the teams if they could all just join and make 1 great game over 3 mediocre ones. That and get better writers for the international versions that can write something other than jokes.

    • @mattkugelman4369
      @mattkugelman4369 7 років тому +15

      Gary Tomás Constanza Martinez someone get Ian Flynn now!

    • @SonicSpeed440
      @SonicSpeed440 7 років тому +10

      *Cough Ian Flynn should be the writer.

    • @destinylord7194
      @destinylord7194 7 років тому +2

      Gary Tomás Constanza Martinez it wasn't necessarily that there were many teams it was that there were multiple games in development and there were too many people all working on multiple different projects at the same time.

    • @excme22
      @excme22 6 років тому +4

      Guess how Forces turned out: shit

    • @thema1998
      @thema1998 6 років тому +2

      Gary Tomás Constanza Martinez I'm watching this in 2018 and Forces turned to be shit. The game has gotten mixed to negative reviews and people who enjoy the game say it's bad.

  • @ayeeron-aaron8626
    @ayeeron-aaron8626 7 років тому +15

    seems like they always add an extra gimmick to make the game different, but it ends up screwing the game over.
    Shadow The Hedgehog: Gun & Edgy gimmick screwed it over.
    Sonic Unleashed: Werehog screwed it over
    Sonic Colors Wisps (not entirely) brought some negative points
    Sonic Lost World: Parkour & "interesting' level design screwed it over
    While games like Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2 had no gimmicks, and Generations played it safe.
    Sonic Team should learn that a fantastic plot is enough to differentiate your game from others and a hindering gimmick to make it different isn't needed.
    (I personally liked Colors, Unleashed and Shadow but typically they get worse reviews.)
    Forces looks promising and for the future I hope Sonic Team can move forward more (Stop rehashng GHZ and stop playing on nostalgia) and that they will make the supporting characters playable in the future

    • @awesomeguy2009
      @awesomeguy2009 7 років тому +8

      Ayeeron - [Aaron] SA1 and SA2 was mostly gimmicks what are you talking about? Amy, Gamma and Big (especially Big) were made to extend playtime. They play nothing like Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. SA2 had the mechs. It makes sense for Eggman but it makes no sense for Tails. Not to mention that the mechs don't play like the other characters. The reason why a lot of 3D Sonic games had those gimmicks to extend playtime. Heroes for example, would've been fine if it was only team Sonic and *maybe* team Dark.

    • @excme22
      @excme22 6 років тому +1

      Too bad Forces tanked

  • @BBCjer
    @BBCjer 6 років тому +4

    I loved secret rings and black knight

  • @brandonvestra
    @brandonvestra 6 років тому +2

    "I think it's going to be a great game". You could not be more wrong.

  • @funef5282
    @funef5282 6 років тому +2

    And then Sonic Forces came out.
    Seeing this video makes me feel bad. :(

  • @cyner3444
    @cyner3444 7 років тому

    "This is something Nintendo has in spades,"
    Don't you mean...
    ACES!
    hah. hah. hah.

  • @alexf5737
    @alexf5737 6 років тому +2

    the painful irony of people not expecting mania to be better than forces cuz of an unfamiliar team and forces being better because of the original team working on it (most of) when in reality mania was amazing and forces was still flawed (not bad, it was fun but the story and level designs should've had more thought into them) but I think they should stay united since the controls and 3D gameplay of forces was honestly one of the best we've had in a modern sonic game for a while.

  • @EpicGamer-fl7fn
    @EpicGamer-fl7fn 6 років тому +4

    12:04
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    OH GOD
    I CANT BREATHE XDDDDDD

  • @Khyon521
    @Khyon521 6 років тому +2

    Fire team C and make team AxB

  • @heyall7626
    @heyall7626 4 роки тому +1

    Aw really Colours In a B Tier hell no that is an s tier right there

  • @chocobochick5390
    @chocobochick5390 7 років тому +1

    I mean for what I can see sonic the hedgehog is such an adorable and awesome character. He's a really cool guy. And I get it you know? You wanna do more with him than just grabbing rings. But you probably should at least keep the basics you know? Cause I mean come on. Sonic really DOES look awesome holding a sword in his hand. Or a Sonic gun game; no yeah I totally get it. And I mean the werehog? Look to each his own but I think that beast looked so cool. Like I mean he's like a 30s cartoon character when you think about it. He's got the gloves, the shoes, he's an animal. I mean come on Sonic looks awesome. I'll admit I even thought of making a fangame called, "Sonic Zoo" which you turn into a random animal whenever you hit an enemy. Just makes you look different; doesn't really do anything.
    So yeah. No I totally get it. But the thing is what you should do- well you don't _have to_ do it- but what you might want to do is keep the physics from sonic 1 and then just add stuff to the game. So you can make a 2d game, a 3d game, Sonic Boom, turn him into a werewolf, have a story with a romance between him and Princess Elise, whatever you want. Everything else is extra: level design, enemies, obstacles, music, intended audience, anything else is extra as long as you keep the physics from sonic 1. Then you can do whatever you want.
    For example: Knux Chaotix. It's sonic 1 physics basically + a ring tether. It attaches to characters together. And it works. Ofc it could be fixed but you get the point. And yeah the game didn't do too well but it's a start. Or here's a better example: Sonic Advance 2. All these characters have the little abilities like flying or ball bouncing or swinging a hammer but they all have basically retro sonic physics. It's a little different but you know.
    Cause I really really really like Sonic Boom. I love all your ideas Sega but you're kinda doing them wrong. You can keep the scarf, make Amy a little more mean and a little less nice, give knux a chest lift, do whatever you want just as long as you keep sonic 1's physics. At least to me. Everything else is extra just as long as you keep sonic 1's physics. And then level design- we'll cross that road when we get there.
    This isn't a sonic game but it's a good example of where you might wanna start from: Fire Emblem Echoes- Shadows of Valentia. What is it? A do-over of an old game called, "Fire Emblem Gaiden." It took that game and just added stuff to it. AND LOOK HOW AMAZING IT IS! As a matter of fact it's even better than the original. I'm not kiddin. Gaiden got 7.8/10 or so. Echoes got a 4.5/5 all across the board. Search it up I'm not kiddin. So am I saying take ACTUALLY LITERALLY Sonic 1 and give it more content? No, take it's physics and make a game on that. Give the player Sonic 1's physics; as long as you do that you can make whatever you want, that's what I think.
    Now I'm gonna do something I've never ever done and celebrate sonic. Keep on running Sonic because Sega is amazing and It's Still Thinking!
    And here's some random ideas for a sonic game:
    Half hedgehog, All Robot
    Sally Sonic Red Rose
    Sonic for a day
    Faster than the fastest thing alive
    Sonic XXL
    Mighty the Armadillo
    Sonic Boom: World Blue
    Fists of Dread
    Tazmanian Sticks
    Jaded Purple
    Sonic 15
    Robotnik
    Hearts of Soleanna
    Modern Sonic the Hedgehog
    Tails Torcher
    Metal Sonic the Hedgehog
    Chaotic Dragon
    A Deeper Recollection of Angel Island
    Megaman Sonic
    Super Maro Bros. the Hedgehog
    SEGA Sound
    Sonic Maniacs
    Chemical Planet
    Sonic the End of Time

    • @chocobochick5390
      @chocobochick5390 7 років тому

      But what you want to do is also keep the "Classic" Sonic, the retro sonic. So make Sonic Forces and also Sonic Mania. So if ppl aren't feeling the new type of game then they can go back to Sonic Mania the old game; I like to call it "Pinball" Sonic.
      Would splitting up into different dev teams help make this happen or even better? Or maybe make it worse? Should SEGA all work together to make their games? I want them to but who knows? As long as they can keep the basics and also make a retro game on the side then maybe we wouldn't have too much of a problem.
      Ofc now that's essentially what they're doing now. All they need to do now is fix up forces and we could start to be seeing something good here.
      *By the way when you said "Another ball game" I kinda giggled because I like puns like that. Cause like you know how sonic rolls like a ball

  • @Sprong4
    @Sprong4 7 років тому

    the thing that scares me the most about forces are the returning wisps, i hope they dont break up the flow of the gameplay like in lost world and are 100% optional.

  • @jonathansblonded
    @jonathansblonded 7 років тому +1

    Nice Intro

  • @tailsprower8118
    @tailsprower8118 7 років тому +6

    Comments:1
    Sees 2. wtf?

  • @alejandrolozano4919
    @alejandrolozano4919 6 років тому

    I PICK together the best wand to do make sonic great again

  • @Videogabemoment
    @Videogabemoment 6 років тому +1

    If only your sense was actually the outcome;-;

  • @DogratDavis
    @DogratDavis 7 років тому +1

    Mario and Zelda both have A/B teams too. Split teams is not the reason why sonic as a whole has been a shit franchise lol

  • @jeromemccalla9520
    @jeromemccalla9520 7 років тому

    From what I've seen from the forces trailer team a made colours?

  • @chillihog1543
    @chillihog1543 7 років тому

    Thanks for the confidence that Sonic Forces will be a great game

  • @ztsquid3000
    @ztsquid3000 7 років тому

    Wait, is the team back together and taking their time on the new sonic game coming up?😊
    someone please tell me, I beg of you.😫

  • @JetSuzuki
    @JetSuzuki 7 років тому +3

    LOVE YHE NEW INTRO

    • @jss6876
      @jss6876 7 років тому

      ?

    • @JetSuzuki
      @JetSuzuki 7 років тому

      Wierd. I've never seen it before. Also don't think you know who I am. I watch every video this man posts ever since I got into sonic theory from watching the Knuckles suffers from hallucinations

    • @JetSuzuki
      @JetSuzuki 7 років тому

      Jet Set Sonic Who is you

    • @jss6876
      @jss6876 7 років тому

      That's what i was gonna ask u

    • @JetSuzuki
      @JetSuzuki 7 років тому

      I'm JetSet Sonic. FAKER

  • @bruhmoment6716
    @bruhmoment6716 5 років тому +1

    You thought mania was like cd nah it was 50x better than forces

  • @littenfire3563
    @littenfire3563 7 років тому

    they need to remain together

  • @fobfurl1894
    @fobfurl1894 7 років тому

    sup notifcation squad

  • @suchintriguingthoughts7246
    @suchintriguingthoughts7246 7 років тому

    New Super mario bros 2 I thought was really fun

  • @sonicssj
    @sonicssj 7 років тому

    You know I am tired of hear shit about Mario I came to hear about sonic and Mario gets brought up.

    • @goojo173
      @goojo173 7 років тому

      Yeah, Mario gets brought up since he and Sonic were rivals for a long time in the gaming industry, and have two ongoing series of games where they both star TOGETHER, one of which they are the main focus of-those being Super Smash Bros. and Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. Besides, the only reason Mario got brought up in this video was to make a point.

  • @legendarymudkip6968
    @legendarymudkip6968 6 років тому +1

    Hey

  • @reekhigh5789
    @reekhigh5789 2 роки тому

    Well this video aged like *shit*

  • @boyishdude1234
    @boyishdude1234 7 років тому +1

    Sonic Colors was far from a great game, same with Generations. Unleashed HD is still better than both of those games, werehog and all.

    • @GamerGuyd7Aces
      @GamerGuyd7Aces  7 років тому

      Meh.. I never finished Unleashed cuz I think it kinda sucks

    • @boyishdude1234
      @boyishdude1234 7 років тому

      GamerGuyd7Aces why is that? I can barely think of anything generations does better besides level design and controls. Colors does nothing better than unleashed....

    • @GamerGuyd7Aces
      @GamerGuyd7Aces  7 років тому

      Only thing I like about Unleashed are the graphics and story. The controls of daytime Sonic is more slippery and less polished than Generations, and I HATE The Werehog and all the excessive padding. I explained that in my previous videos before

    • @arenwalker3624
      @arenwalker3624 5 років тому

      It’s stil a good imo werehog wasn’t that bad it’s just long and the daytime levels r still fun

  • @MischievousLittleImp
    @MischievousLittleImp 6 років тому +105

    Seeing this today... oh boy... you must be just a bit disappointed in Forces.

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert 6 років тому +54

    From what I've heard, the higher ups in Japan have a clear disconnect with the America team.
    They'd order something to happen, the America team would make an attempt to understand and do their job, then the Japan team would get angry and demand something different.
    The language barrier alone makes development difficult, but the fact that the Japanese team is so disconnected from the American one is the nail on the coffin.

    • @tailsprowerfan2729
      @tailsprowerfan2729 4 роки тому +3

      they need to do what they did in the adventure games

    • @ataladin87
      @ataladin87 Рік тому

      No, Sega America are the ones that tried to stop, Sonic the fighters from even Happeni. Their reasoning was, "Sonic is a kids game. Having him fight isn't Kid friendly".
      Stupidest shit ever.

  • @AngelofSpeed
    @AngelofSpeed 7 років тому +116

    As for the ending question, they should remain together, that way they'll have more of a focus.

  • @CAT-2323
    @CAT-2323 7 років тому +68

    Sega needs to keep the. creators of Sonic Mania so they can keep making 2D Sonic Games and keep the rest of Sonic Team together to make the 3D games.

  • @Arcad3n
    @Arcad3n 6 років тому +59

    Aaaaaand... Forces was made by the B team. Please let the next A team game be good!

    • @shadexao
      @shadexao 6 років тому +8

      Actually it's made by the A team, B team is console exclusive only and as we know it, Forces is on all consoles, even on the Switch.

    • @combodev
      @combodev 6 років тому +6

      Sonic Lost World is on PC too you know

    • @shadexao
      @shadexao 6 років тому

      Rayan Zoury umm I already knew that

  • @g1n059
    @g1n059 7 років тому +45

    Can sombody share this with SEGA on Twitter or Facebook?

  • @Gianluca_GMS
    @Gianluca_GMS 7 років тому +26

    SEGA should show the world "The Super-Power of TEAMWORK!"
    BD

    • @Speed-tk4yk
      @Speed-tk4yk 5 років тому +1

      I really want a heroes remake😭😭😭

  • @commanderbrickbreaker45
    @commanderbrickbreaker45 6 років тому +19

    Shame people had such hope in Forces. Oh well, looks like we won't have a good 3D sonic game until Yuji Naka returns, which i doubt'll happen. Fasten your seatbelts folks.

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 роки тому

      Its get worse that Yuji Naka leaving, I did some research on the sonic wiki to to answer the question how is Sonic unleashed a passionate game with out Naka. Well it turns out the director Yoshihisa Hashimoto Is not only a programer on Sonic advance 2 but he made Hedgehog Engine. Sadly he left Sega for Square Enix, and Sonic Unleashed is the last Sonic game to be made by sonic team USA. Thats two Developers that Sega lost. 3d Sonic so far is about as dead as Metal Gear.

  • @TurboPikachu
    @TurboPikachu 6 років тому +6

    11:37 Yet none of the returning members from Unleashed/Colors/Generations were level designers. One came from Lost World, and the other two had no experience with the franchise prior to Forces...

  • @GamerGuyd7Aces
    @GamerGuyd7Aces  7 років тому +55

    Once again, I had to re-edit the video cuz of an error lol. Anyway it's up again, and hope you guys enjoy the video! Very interesting topic

    • @crashban4t.f.s.b783
      @crashban4t.f.s.b783 6 років тому

      Black sheep? WHERE?! Sonic blast? Sonic Labyrinth? Sonic 3d blast? Sonic R? Those are games that are bad. Sonic cd is okay. It's not a bad sonic game. I'm just saying.

    • @crashban4t.f.s.b783
      @crashban4t.f.s.b783 6 років тому

      Yeeeeeeeah. Forces had a lot of red flags before it even released.1.Dark Sonic game.2.Green hill zone has awful level design and I saw the gameplay of the entire stage before the game released and I was not impressed and the music is awful in that stage.3.Fist bump.

    • @taleekhamilton8003
      @taleekhamilton8003 6 років тому

      Dark sonic? Where?

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 роки тому

      Its gets worse than Naka leaving, I did some research on the sonic wiki to to answer the question how is Sonic unleashed a passionate game with out Naka. Well it turns out the director Yoshihisa Hashimoto Is not only a programer on Sonic advance 2 but he is Hedgehog Engine. Sadly he left Sega for Square Enix, and Sonic Unleashed is the last Sonic game to be made by sonic team USA. That two Developers that Sega lost. 3d Sonic so far is about as dead as Metal Gear.

  • @loweni7460
    @loweni7460 7 років тому +27

    black sheep is a negative term sonic CD is still my favorite sonic game to date the fact that it's different from the rest of the 2D sonic games is what makes it so appealing

    • @RaCUtricolor
      @RaCUtricolor 7 років тому +8

      Black sheep isn't a negative term. It just refers to something that stands out from the others, no matter whether it be good or bad. So Sonic CD IS the black sheep. But that doesn't mean that it's bad.

    • @loweni7460
      @loweni7460 7 років тому +1

      If you look at society nowadays being the black sheep isn't necessarily a nice thing to be I'm looking at this from that point of view

    • @RaCUtricolor
      @RaCUtricolor 7 років тому +2

      +Supirorguy Because it was released AFTER Sonic 2. Sonic 2 came out on 1992. Sonic CD came out on 1993.

  • @MaxwellPublishing
    @MaxwellPublishing 7 років тому +12

    I'll take three diverse and creative games like Riders, Secret Rings and Unleashed over one big unified project like Forces, which looks pretty underwhelming so far, any day of the week. Team splitting is amazing for diversity and I vote for that.

    • @purgenta
      @purgenta 2 роки тому

      i think in development for sonic unleashed, all the different teams of sega and sonic worked together for once (sega japan, sega america)

    • @Antonio-is2cn
      @Antonio-is2cn 2 роки тому

      Forces was still good, just saying

  • @Kyoko__
    @Kyoko__ 7 років тому +34

    I really hope we'll see the teams stay united. But first we have to see how Forces turns out.
    Your Video gave me more hope for Forces.

    • @antman1001000
      @antman1001000 6 років тому +6

      Kyoko Sonic Forced me to become Cynical about the series.

    • @Raven-626-
      @Raven-626- 6 років тому +5

      Tbh, Forces is painfully mediocre.

    • @deathegg9474
      @deathegg9474 6 років тому +6

      Most disappointing Sonic game ever. So much wasted potential in a Sonic game.

    • @energize193
      @energize193 6 років тому

      hows that hope

    • @Raven-626-
      @Raven-626- 6 років тому +5

      Before release:
      "In the distance I see a light of hope, shining!"
      Post release:
      "I'm holding onto every bit of hope."

  • @Legend-io4pz
    @Legend-io4pz 6 років тому +14

    We need Yuji Naka back

    • @Sydney_Angelyt
      @Sydney_Angelyt 3 роки тому

      Too true

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 роки тому

      @@Sydney_Angelyt Its get worse that, I did some research on the sonic wiki to to answer the question how is Sonic unleashed a passionate game with out Naka. Well it turns out the director Yoshihisa Hashimoto Is not only a programer on Sonic advance 2 but he made the Hedgehog Engine. Sadly he left Sega for Square Enix, and Sonic Unleashed is the last Sonic game to be made by sonic team USA. That two Developers that Sega lost. 3d Sonic so far is about as dead as Metal Gear.

  • @zorukon6886
    @zorukon6886 6 років тому +6

    Why can’t all of em work together

  • @daegan_ftw
    @daegan_ftw 7 років тому +30

    I'd like to see Christian Whitehead and his crew take a crack at recreating Adventure style gameplay.

    • @JonisNotHereAnymore
      @JonisNotHereAnymore 7 років тому +19

      Daegan Noel That's asking a bit much, those guys, looking at their track record(fan games included), have only worked on Classic Sonic style games, never a 3D game. Their speciality is 2D Classic action games, just like the Genesis trio.

    • @daegan_ftw
      @daegan_ftw 7 років тому +6

      KuraiJinx That is precisely why I think they could try their hand at such a task. If they can master what gave Sonic his wD foundations the next logical step is the third dimension. Obviously they would be better off with help from the rest of Sonic Team but it would be interesting to see.

    • @JonisNotHereAnymore
      @JonisNotHereAnymore 7 років тому +13

      I'd say they could bring in the folks who made Sonic Utopia and Hedge Physics, since they've made 3D games and such.
      Not to say the Mania Team should be put in the sidelines, I'd totally be all for another game from them. But given their resume, I do believe they'll stick to 2D games.
      Not to mention, those seem to be their preferred style of game overall.

    • @lazasun
      @lazasun 7 років тому +8

      KuraiJinx Mania has 3D special stages now so it could be possible.

    • @JonisNotHereAnymore
      @JonisNotHereAnymore 7 років тому +2

      Welp.

  • @rathsilk456
    @rathsilk456 6 років тому +6

    Watching this video now. And damn to bad Sega lied about or would you say hid the truth about sonic forces actual devs

  • @diegohernandez-trujillo6633
    @diegohernandez-trujillo6633 6 років тому +12

    Forces: Step in the right direction
    Also forces: Paying for super sonic

    • @cliffturbo2146
      @cliffturbo2146 6 років тому +2

      Diego Hernandez-Trujillo you can get it free though.

    • @blackattack1840
      @blackattack1840 6 років тому +2

      man... if Forces is the best they could do with 4 years and max staff, maybe its time for new leadership

    • @johnathonturner2279
      @johnathonturner2279 6 років тому +1

      forces was not a step in the right direction. it devolved the boost gameplay and 2d gameplay and the level design was a line.

    • @castonyoung7514
      @castonyoung7514 6 років тому

      Based on other comments it sounds like Forces wasn't made in the way that the maker of the video thought.

    • @GaMastrr
      @GaMastrr 5 років тому

      Not anymore.

  • @calebstokes7739
    @calebstokes7739 7 років тому +13

    they should stay United. I believe that their best games are when they are all working on it

  • @r_u_s_t_y
    @r_u_s_t_y 6 років тому +11

    But Sonic Forces wasn't... very... goood....

    • @h2pvp531
      @h2pvp531 6 років тому +2

      Check the upload date of the video -_-

    • @endereclipse7771
      @endereclipse7771 6 років тому

      No no no no no no no no

    • @GaMastrr
      @GaMastrr 5 років тому

      This was uploaded before the game came out.

  • @KodieRussell
    @KodieRussell 6 років тому +5

    i guess it sucks to be wrong about forces, huh?

  • @Sonic3Knuckles
    @Sonic3Knuckles 6 років тому +5

    Forces in the right direction?
    HA

  • @ivaldi13
    @ivaldi13 6 років тому +3

    They got the band back together, and they still decided to give us Sonic Forces as we know it today. No wonder Sonic fans are dropping like flies . . .

  • @lettus_3486
    @lettus_3486 6 років тому +5

    12:04
    Hehe. Funny

  • @SlenderMCDewott
    @SlenderMCDewott 6 років тому +3

    I come from the future, and trust me,
    Sonic forces is probably a C-team project
    Sonic MANIA did better,
    Maybe Sega should stay united with the fans?
    Also Super Mario Oddesy was fantastic, did what Sonic forces did wrong with development choices

  • @-m.d.n-9019
    @-m.d.n-9019 7 років тому +7

    I don't like the separate team thing . Getting together would be better.

  • @knuxuki1013
    @knuxuki1013 7 років тому +5

    OK,this problem NEEDS to be fixed. Things would've been so much better, way past cooler if Sega/Sonic Team wasn't so divided

  • @1upGaming1up
    @1upGaming1up 4 роки тому +2

    I think after Sonic Forces and how much that game sucked. I think Sonic Team should become so they can focus on 3D Sonic and let other developers handle Sonic spinoffs games
    *Sonic Team: Mineline Sonic games
    *Evening Star: Classic Sonic Games
    *Sumo Digital: Sonic Racing Games
    *Relic Entertainment: Sonic Riders
    *Sanzaru Games: Sonic spinoffs like a Sonic Party
    *Atlus: Sonic RPG
    *AM2: Sonic Arcade games
    *Arc System Works: Sonic Fighting games
    There's a reason why Mario games has been consistent. Is because Nintendo had pillars for Mario
    *Nintendo EPD: 3D Mario games, 2D Mario games and Mario Kart
    *Intelligent System: Paper Mario
    *Square Enix: Super Mario RPG, Mario Hoops 3 on 3, Mario Sports Mix, Fortune Street
    *Hudson Soft then NDCube: Mario Party
    *Sega: Mario and Sonic series
    *Bandai-Namco: Mario Baseball Games, Mario Kart Arcade GP games
    *Next Level Games: Luigi's Mansion and Mario Striker Games
    *Camelot: Mario Golf and Mario Tennis
    *Alpha Dream (R.I.P): Mario and Luigi RPG series
    Again if Sonic Team became one again and Sega lets other develop Sonic games then publish it under Sonic. I think this should be the only time that Sega should copy Nintendo as they should take notes from Nintendo if they want to keep Sonic consistent in quality

  • @LSMark
    @LSMark 7 років тому +1

    The adventure games along with heroes and shadow weren't that polished even though they had Yuji Naka but since Izuka came on the games have gotten a lot more polished so I don't know why some people hate him so much.

    • @tailsprowerfan2729
      @tailsprowerfan2729 4 роки тому +1

      i just miss when tails was playable and when he was a badass and briave now he just a wimp i know its 3 years late i just want a ture 3d sonic game that plays like the adventure game with imporvemnts as time gos by and aslo a story that has the same tune has the adventure games

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 3 роки тому +1

      Its get worse that, I did some research on the sonic wiki to to answer the question how is Sonic unleashed a passionate game with out Naka. Well it turns out the director Yoshihisa Hashimoto Is not only a programer on Sonic advance 2 but he is Hedgehog Engine. Sadly he left Sega for Square Enix, and Sonic Unleashed is the last Sonic game to be made by sonic team USA. That two Developers that Sega lost. 3d Sonic so far is about as dead as Metal Gear.

  • @sleepyeyedplumber
    @sleepyeyedplumber 7 років тому +2

    I'm a longtime fan of Sonic ever since playing his first game on the Genesis at five years of age. And I'll still follow him alongside Mario to this day, as they are my two favorite game franchises of all time. Sonic 3&K is my favorite video game; Colors and Generations are really good Sonic games; I have a soft spot for the Adventure games, Heroes, and Unleashed; and Lost World is on my list of games I like but everyone hates. I'm certainly looking forward to Mania and Forces no matter who's in charge. (I'd wager Forces will be the Twilight Princess of 3D Sonic--something that, after trying a wholly different gameplay style, is going back to refine what worked in the past, including the much acclaimed boost-to-win formula.)

  • @AngelofSpeed
    @AngelofSpeed 7 років тому +35

    I'm on time, better make a joke!
    Being "early".

    • @doonuduwii3842
      @doonuduwii3842 7 років тому

      Demon of Speed So old it hurts.

    • @AngelofSpeed
      @AngelofSpeed 7 років тому +1

      Doonu Duwii
      I don't understand, is the format old? Or is the "being early" thing old?

    • @doonuduwii3842
      @doonuduwii3842 7 років тому +1

      Demon of Speed It's obviously both.

  • @ToxikBlitz
    @ToxikBlitz 6 років тому +1

    Nakamura?
    Nakamura!?
    NAKAMURA!?
    IT BE SHINSUKE NAKAMURA!!

  • @jackmccormick8382
    @jackmccormick8382 4 роки тому +2

    “That’s why I’m really excited for sonic forces”, whoops

  • @georgemoore4614
    @georgemoore4614 6 років тому +2

    I think they should all get together and make the best game in the history of gaming

  • @Kevin-ml6vk
    @Kevin-ml6vk 6 років тому +2

    If they stay united they might make another game like sonic 2

  • @mattbelcher7135
    @mattbelcher7135 5 років тому +1

    Oh I feel bad Sonic Forces wasn't good because i was gonna buy it as a Christmas present then i looked at the review scores and said, no just Mania

  • @ZazzyZman
    @ZazzyZman 6 років тому +1

    Ok thank you for making this video for the split team info, but just cut to the chase. A lot of sonic fans need to know this.

  • @JeffreyThrash
    @JeffreyThrash 6 років тому +1

    "Sonic 3 & Knuckles is one of the best, if not the best, classic Sonic game."Thank you, Sonic 2 is great, but I loved 3 & Knuckles so much."That's why Sonic CD is considered the black sheep of the classic series..."How dare you. Sonic CD will forever be my favorite classic game. I'm re-playing it right now!"...But I thought it was fine."Rage simmers down.

    • @GamerGuyd7Aces
      @GamerGuyd7Aces  6 років тому

      Sonic CD is actually my 2nd favorite Classic Era Sonic game ;)

  • @simtek3475
    @simtek3475 7 років тому +1

    Actually, Yuji Yekawa as the Modern designer, not Iizuka

  • @ShadicgunMan
    @ShadicgunMan 6 років тому +1

    SEGA should stop listening to fans so much. Other companies are successful, because they are revolutionary and go with it (it's not a toxic relationship, it's more like a friendship, sometimes disagreeing), not because they listen to fans. The OG character was authentic, but I'm just talking about the other gimmicks that don't make any sense to be in the games after they're introduced (Classic Sonic for example. He was just a third wheel, blablabla, the connection with Mania was a good twist do, or the Wisps, no explanation whatsoever as to why they're here, except that a guy at SEGA likes it).
    I think SEGA are just experimenting with what works, which is fine, but testing people with the final products itself shouldn't be a thing, because you need a good product, not mixed audiences/reviews. Some games are better than others, simple preference, but the means to the end here are what is drifting the Sonic audience apart. They should move on with what they want to do next. The boost formula in Unleashed, Generations, etc. was very good, a lot of people will say (me too xD). They demand more. Why? Play those games then. Era's end. Sonic should move on. I just don't want to see Sonic drown, because he was too slow to move on.

    • @tailsprowerfan2729
      @tailsprowerfan2729 4 роки тому +1

      they need to stop this sonic only bs and aslo stop with this lame story lines and stop destroying what made all the sonic characters so great take tails he want form being a sidekcik until sonic adventure where he become his own hero he saved ss form a nuke without the help form sonic he isnt this tech nerd who cant fight for himself that isnt how tails character should be and aslo for sonic he isnt this guy who takes everything as a joke yeah sonic is known for being coky but he aslo knows when to be series he dosnt break the 4th wall i mean what happned ? all the chracters had there peresonaty destoryed and the fact we havent had playable characters in a mianline 3d sonic game since 06 hell the last true sonic 3d game was unslshed they need to go back to the adventure style of gameplay give us a great sonic game again have the characters act like there trueselfs

  • @r3n3gad33
    @r3n3gad33 7 років тому +1

    I feel like if Rise of Lyric or Lost World never existed, Sonic wouldn't have that big of a stigma!

  • @chrisjoseph4224
    @chrisjoseph4224 7 років тому +1

    Stan Lee only gets all the credit now because he's the only one still alive lol.

  • @Sonicphobia0601
    @Sonicphobia0601 3 роки тому +2

    This didn’t age well...

  • @destinylord7194
    @destinylord7194 7 років тому +1

    shun nakamura is the producer and writer of the sonic forces story.

  • @Pioxys
    @Pioxys 7 років тому

    What still pisses me of months later, is that they seem to still have the writers going about in forces. (someone correct me if i'm wrong btw) I like how things are getting more intense & promising with Infinite's trailer... and then you see the cutscene... Nice as it looked, that cutscene looked like it's still the same water downed writing from colors to now, and I hate it. You already have the *Sonic Boom tv show* (which is cool). So why not get new writers that suited the balance/music Unleashed had? Only you know.... no werehogs this time.

  • @KBM_Sonic
    @KBM_Sonic 6 років тому +5

    1:06 And then Mania came along

  • @MildTomfoolery123
    @MildTomfoolery123 6 років тому +3

    no... secret rings are cannon sonic says it him self in sonic generations

    • @marmotagaming1124
      @marmotagaming1124 6 років тому +1

      Jonatan Aaby when

    • @johnathonturner2279
      @johnathonturner2279 6 років тому

      "Not much different from genies in magic bottles, or rescuing aliens from an interstellar amusement park."

  • @homie456
    @homie456 5 років тому +1

    Yeah sonic forces will be a good game 🖕🏼

  • @Nic_2751
    @Nic_2751 5 років тому +1

    Oh if only you knew what would come...

  • @lx9612
    @lx9612 6 років тому +2

    A team:
    . Sonic 1
    . Sonic 2
    . Sonic 3 & knuckles
    . Sonic adventure
    . Sonic adventure 2
    . Sonic unleashed
    . Sonic generations
    . Sonic mania
    The B team:
    . Sonic colors
    . Sonic forces
    . Sonic lost world
    . Sonic R
    The C team
    . Sonic 06
    . Shadow the hedgehog
    . Sonic and the secret rings
    . Sonic labyrinth

  • @jasonraby4358
    @jasonraby4358 5 років тому +1

    note from the future. Sonic forces didn't work

  • @wiretrexcr4410
    @wiretrexcr4410 6 років тому +3

    I hope the tema stay all united, because the story of Sonic Forces is pretty good, and the grafics where all right!!
    But only 3 people ( 2 with no experience in sonic games, and 1 from sonic lost World) were creating the levels.

  • @tothemaxthor1034
    @tothemaxthor1034 6 років тому +1

    Lol Sonic Forces sucked

  • @IndieLambda
    @IndieLambda 6 років тому +1

    They could also do like Valve, it worked very well in the 90's and 200's, now where in the 2010's they got so greedy they don't make games anymore and just paid updates, but hey...
    Having poeple pitch ideas and poeple going on each project from will. We could see other games than Sonic from Sonic team like so, maybe a new Nights, or something entirely new.
    Maybe the Sonic tem should take a breack from Sonic, like, creative vacations, let them do something new, anything they want, they want to make a CoD like game in a post apocaliptic Japan? Let them do that, like so, they take a breack, have their mind somewhere else, and you let them do make the new Sonic game when they want to make it, like, once on it, fresh mind, fresh ideas, and instead of getting them like, "Roh... gotta make a new Sonic game... ffffff..." but "Oh, new Sonic game, yay.". I don't really know if what I'm saying makes sens, but It does to me.

  • @bartdierickx5150
    @bartdierickx5150 7 років тому

    I loved Sonic CD the most out of all classic Sonic games. Didn't know it was the black sheep :D I always thought most people who played it rated this the highest :D

  • @EnDavio
    @EnDavio 7 років тому

    I think Yoshiaki Koizumi was the director of Super Mario Galaxy. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I read it on Wikipedia.

  • @ItsNickForShort
    @ItsNickForShort 7 років тому +1

    I love that they are getting everyone that they need to make a great game back again and thanks I never new their were different teams

  • @ShadwSonic
    @ShadwSonic 7 років тому

    Sega's greatest weakness bar none has been rushing games for holidays... and, it seems, this odd absence of key team members... but if this is to be believed, BOTH of these have been corrected in Forces? A good omen indeed...

  • @lucapeyrefitte6899
    @lucapeyrefitte6899 7 років тому +1

    apparently Sega and Nintendo partnered to make sonic lost world and when I saw footage of someone playing it reminded me of modern Mario

  • @kap1117
    @kap1117 4 роки тому

    I mean Ive liked the story book series and Id like more of those just without the motion control gameplay of the wii and the B team made sonic colors which imo is just as good as sonic generations and unleashed because its basically just boost gameplay the whole time with some slow downs from the wisps but there is still more boost gameplay there than in generations and unleashed that space it out way too much

  • @jeremyfont7135
    @jeremyfont7135 6 років тому +2

    I swear I thought of transformers together we stand together we fall 😂😂

  • @lauridsen1381
    @lauridsen1381 6 років тому +1

    “The A Team” lol

  • @RJwms
    @RJwms 7 років тому +1

    I for one just want a full open 3D modern sonic game like adventure while having a spin off classic sonic series as well to please the 2d fans.

  • @master106
    @master106 2 роки тому

    Update from the future: Mario Odyssey is just below mediocre and super repetitive, the collection part of the game was also really bad.

  • @MarcusTito15
    @MarcusTito15 6 років тому

    Everybody likes to crush the Werehog sections in Unleashed, but for me, they were the best part of the game... Another game that suffers the same fate is Heroes... man I love those games and, for me at least, they are waaay better games than Forces, Boom or Lost world.

  • @Sydney_Angelyt
    @Sydney_Angelyt 3 роки тому

    I love the wisps, don’t get me wrong. I can see the wisps being a mainstay. But if this is what’s happening, it ruins Sonic Colours for me.

  • @The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.
    @The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World. 3 роки тому

    4:03 what? I loved that game. Sure, it was one of my first Mario games but still