Not the Doctors but the Nurses deserve a rise, Doctors already earn alotttt... Dr. Karan mentions the first year pay forgetting in all professions you get paid less and also forgetting that the pay doctors get after 5 years of work.. But if you compare, doctors in first year earn way more in their first year compared with other professions first year! And similarly if you compare 8year doctor and 8 year other profession.. Dr. Karan in this clip is like missing all the good good and mentioning the first year of doctor out of probably his 30+ years as a doctor!
@@johnplayer1052 he's not saying doctors in general should get a pay rise, but junior doctors need to be more supported so they can focus on their job without the added stress of money problems.
True, one of the main reasons I switched last minute from medicine to dentistry. I would rather still do medicine as it much more interesting and rewarding yet I couldn't see myself handling the work hours with the pay. I highly respect all doctors who choose their passions over salaries. You've earned a sub from me!
I don't know your financial situation, but if you could afford it, you definitely should go abroad and get your education there, and then become a doctor there. Most developed nations pay their doctors very well, the US, and the uk in some ways. Very much does not, though it's much better in the uk. If you'd like, I can give you some great websites where you can actually study abroad for free, and have all if not most of your costs covered, or, if you you'd like, there's an even better website where you can sign up to work wherever you'd like, and they pay for EVERYTHING, all you have to do is the community work you signed up for, and boom, you're in another country for free. People, especially Americans, have to realize that the world is massive, and it's not this bad everywhere, infact it's quite good for most people in areas like Europe.
@@tortellinifettuccine thanks for the insight but I'm good, I'm currently first year at dental school in the UK. However this is news to me and never heard this pathway before during school.
@Mohammad Ashar horizon, motostays, trustroots, be welcome, couchsurfing. The one I was talking about with traveling for free in exchange for a bit of labor is really good, and I have first hand experience with it but I don't remember the name, I promise to try and find it. But for now, thoes other ones are really great as well.
@Anonymous thanks great! I'm happy you're comfortable with your choice, that's the best thing anyone can hope for. And yes, it's a path I took as well, I was kind of a nomad for a year, doing unpaid labor all the while all my needs were covered, and they would even pay for my medical Marijuana! It was really great for me. It helped me decide on a career path for me, and now I'm back in college finishing off my last few years.
Recently my surgery went four hours over expected. My nurse, an amazing woman, waited a full two hours after her shift ended to receive me after the surgery and settle me into the ward. I have no idea how many others also extended their shifts to make sure I was safe and comfortable. But the fact that she was waiting for me with a smile on her face was genuinely so wonderful after waking from a very intense surgery.
What a sweetheart 🥲 My mom is a nurse and she's the type of person to go above and beyond for her patients like that. She often stays late (unpaid) to do foot care, cut patient's hair (she works in complex care so patients are there long term), etc. She's also brought home her patient's special blankets/quilts to wash because the hospital laundry often loses stuff like that.
That's true, and it's not worth it. Eventually, the whole structure will break apart, bc "junior doctors" are simply too underpaid. Weird phrase, junior doctor. It allows others to devalue you and your objective actual work. Junior doctors do most of the ED & ward interventions, for example.
My cousin works for NHS. he is a specialist and he get €34k a year. Nurse with 20 years of experience get €24 a year. He said he feels guilty and everydays is like sinning against the poor and dying brits. They have to wait months to get appointment and only 10 minutes per patients is allowed. Plus, they can only take care of one problem per visit. If you have cancer and BP. You'll have to choose which one should treat first and wait for months to get appointment again for the other. He explained not to believe the internet. UK has the worst health care amongst the poor countries and there is no way NHS can compete against rich and developing countries. Liverpool is full of poverty. Only thriving business are cheap Chinese food (brits bearly affords them) and endless pawn shops. He plans on moving to rich country like the US in 2024.
@@eloiinvestigatesmy cousin who works for the NHS get paid a shameful €34k a year. He is a specialist doctor. He is moving out to the US. He said he had enough with a poor country playing rich.
THAT IS EVERY INDUSTRY!You can't paid the same amount of money as someone who has been doing it for 10 -20 years on yout first year. You need to rack up experience to become the consultant/director of medicine/surgery.
To the 2 people above me: You’re not factoring in the 4-8 years of *expensive* schooling and the subsequent student loans. You can get a job for 30k in a few years, without college if you’re lucky. But getting that job after paying for 4-8 years of college is a pretty bad financial move 😅
It’s true that doctors should be paid more if they have a few years of experience, but if you pay new doctors this little, soon there will be no new doctors. This same problem affects Airline pilots, which we currently have a shortage of (at least, as far as i am aware, things may have changed in the last few years).
No, doctors across Europe also have significantly higher salaries than the UK/Canada does as well. Its not as high as the US sure, but after factoring in reduced college debt and growth of doctor wages after graduation they're taking home comparable rates.
Yeah I owe the American government over half a million dollars. How much I make is significantly reduced by that. Further, in the US we give up more time - in the UK they start as a junior physician at roughly late twenties, whereas in the US, we start earning money to even start on our debt in our mid thirties
I’m a med student and I can clock out at 5 pm, but my resident often gets stuck past 11 PM on busy days, especially on weekends when there is a lack of staff. Residents deserve more! They do all the scut work, do a million things, get yelled at all day by attendings, patients, angry family members, etc, and are overworked. They often have night shifts as well, so their sleep schedule gets so messed up. They deserve to be paid so much more.
You are absolutely right. My work does not end when I go home as a primary care doctor. I have two hours of test results, patient messages, patient, emails, refills, prior authorizations, and everything else that healthcare demands of me for free. You don’t get paid for anything except seeing the patient in the office. Once they leave, that’s when the real work begins.
I just want an administration that doesn’t treat us like dog shit. Sure the whole “Health Care Heros” sounded nice. But reality our work got even more difficult and scrutinized.
@@Capthrax1 it's often not the salary that makes nurses complain, it's their working conditions. Lot of ppl demand to pay nurses more as it's easier than to fix the problems. Don't know if it's the same in the US, but in many countries they have too many working hours, getting more patients but less time for them. And most nurses I know don't demand higher salaries, but better conditions
@@Capthrax1 my friend I may get “paid” a lot. But working conditions like unsafe staffing and got to take account living expenses vary each state/country. I’m going to HVAC school because it’s tiring of dealing with death and sickness.
Well as someone who worked in agency taht had nurses on the books- the pay rate on day shift was 20 pounds an hour . Do 40 hours per week and you have 800 , count on 52 weeks a year and you are looking on 42000 .... I also have a friend here in UK and she ised to tell us what last minute rates she would be able to get and so on - anyhoo him saying 30000 does not seem realistic if we are talking about full time hours at least ......
This shit is reaching a breaking point here in Malaysia. Unfortunately, many here still take it as easy as "if you can't stand it, just quit". If those medical workers heed their advice this country would have a crisis in its hands.
@@My_profile592 Medicine also includes the prevention of disease. Proper plumbing is an extension of that. It's not that plumbing has saved more lives than medicine but that it is medicine
@@My_profile592both plumbing and medicine contribute to the prevention of diseases, it's not the matter of who saved more lives it's the fact that lives are being saved regardless is what matter
I worked with a surgeon consultant, who could not afford a 3 bedroom house when he got his 3 child. He was on 70k a year. Very hard work doctor. So NHS money is not going in doctors pockets, nurses and healthcare assistants.
From Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics, to Porters and Cleaners, all NHS staff deserve a pay rise and better conditions. We need to pull funding from millionaire Tory doners and refund the health and social care in the UK
Funding has gone up for the NHS by billions every year. It's a poorly managed system because it's run by government. But not poorly funded. search "kingsfund nhs budget"
@@MasalaMan @BirdFish it's purposely being run that way cos they wanna privatise it to their yanky cronies. They're already on the board, and running some trusts. It's the extremely expensive outsourcing of in-house clinics, procedures, use of agency staff, etc that's causing a lot of the issues. So you're right, it's THIS government that is running it badly
@@MasalaMan NHS funding *always* goes up under Labour and down under Tories. By whatever metric you use: in real terms (I e. adjusted for inflation), or as a portion of the GDP. The only metric that *makes* it look higher is the one the Tories use: comparing the absolute numbers. "We gave them £5b more than last year!" Yes, but a) due to the inflation, you should have given them £15b more just to stay in the same place and b) the NHS never sees that money in the first place, most of it goes to private providers and contractors that the Tories conveniently included under the same umbrella.
This is why there are 139,000 vacancies in the NHS and the nurses r going on strike. They get paid fuck all while working long, stressful and mentally taxing hours
I saw a short from a US based doctor explainging what her wages were. With all the on call, 24h shifts, long days and whatever else doctors do in a hospital, her hourly rate would be about $7. She still has to pay bills and has huge student loans to pay off. With what basically equates to below minimum wage. You either pay them more or hire more doctors so they don't have to work 80+ hours a week. Or how about both? An exhausted doctor isn't doing anyone any good.
100%. I'm doing first year anesthesiology in another European country, earning about the same as a garbage collector or train conductor. I'm going back to private GP, where my salary will be 2-3x what I have now, with better work schedules.
Lost hours. That's exactly it. There are hospitals where it is common not to get paid any overtime. You stay until the job done for the day. Why? Because most doctors have the problem to actually care about their patients and their colleagues. When you go home, you leave your patients to the doctor on duty (night shift) which stays until the next morning and longer (plus likely has been there for about 8 hours before). So when that doctor is you, you don't want to take care off all the little tasks that the other doctors left you when you are responsible for the A and E, the floors and the ICU. So you don't leave shit tasks to the doctor on duty either.
The US military recognizes the value of junior physicians by paying residents with a yearly bonus in addition to their base pay. An extra 70k per year. You can also get the military to pay for medical school in exchange for time served. An unparalleled medical educational experience.
People become doctors to save lives, not heal those who take it so they can kill more people. UK junior doctors are payed so little due to the tories defending the NHS. You yanks don't even have free healthcare.
@@mildlydispleased3221 I’m American and I have had free healthcare my entire life-because of the military. Cradle to grave. My healthcare is now provided by the Veterans Administration and I pay zero dollars. Your statements about military medicine are uninformed and incorrect.
From a medical physician insider, you just scored a direct hit over the target. I'm in total agreement. The seniors get their pound of flesh in the form of slave labour before they let the juniors even get a whiff of the 💰
I could take the workload in the hospital any more. I get less money now that I am working in a GP office, but I've got sooooo much more personal time. So my hourly rate actually went up and my work life balance has much improved.
I agree. I had a doc friend and her salary was embarrassing. She was shocked when she found out about mine. She is a bit older than me and I work in IT. My salary was triple hers. This needs to change.
He is right the first years after medical school are horrific, but once your an attending, at least in the US, it pays off a lot. It’s sad that once doctors are attendings and make a ton they seem to forget how bad it used to suck, and then work their team into the ground.
Many of them become bad people at that point. And their youth is behind them. Medicine is not a good way to become rich, and that's your goal it's gonna suck
He acts as if they are the exception. This literally happens to every field. You can't pay a novice apprentice the same as a advanced experience apprentice. Plus the mistakes jr doctors make the first year is just WOW. (And the shear arrogance when you try and correct them is just WOW). - Neurosurgery NP by the way
@@kikinatrone totally agree. Even some first year attendings have this astounding arrogance that is scary when you think about it. I’m a surgical technologist on a heart team. I’m back in school to either become a PA or maybe Med school. Over the past 5 years I have learned exactly who I don’t want to be like as a medical professional. Lately I have been around doctors who are especially eager to cut when it may not be the best option. I’m sure you’ve seen this.
Um well, not really. Maybe that’s the case where you’re from, but here in the UK, your annual salary after you’ve gone through all your core and specialist training, which in the UK is 2 years of foundation + 3 years of core training + up to 8 years of specialist training, is still only 58k british pounds per year. So you’re 13 years into your career as a doctor, which means you’re probably 37 years old, and you’re still earning only 58k, which is way undervalued for the amount of work doctors are doing
It surprises me sometimes how many people want to be doctors considering how grueling the process is and thankless the job can really be if your not some specialist
I'm English, and worked in hospitals in the North East, and Nuneaton, but now I live in the USA. This subject often comes up, so I looked it up; one of the comparisons was a cardiologist, in the UK they earn about £60,000 a year when they start, whilst in the USA they start on about $550,000.
Definitely. Docs and nurses should be paid way more than they actually get. Massive respect to them for what they do and go through physically and emotionally.
Entertainers are paid ridiculous money because a) it is in their nature to promote themselves and b) they attract crowds willing to pay ridiculous money. Healthcare lacks both attributes.
@@olmostgudinaf8100 that shouldn't even be an argument. It shouldn't be the everyday people that pay for doctors salaries anyway, it just should be fair from the beginning since their work is so much more important anyways
Absolutely. I'm a med student and I see my twenties running out of my grasp. Where I'm from, women just generally don't study a lot. A lot of my female colleagues are already married and the numbers will only go up until my final year. Then there's me, who actually wants to focus on modelling my career and helping people out. However I see hurdles when I think about my country's economy, our financial crisis and my dad's obvious demand for me to also be betrothed
Thank you for sticking to your beliefs. Folk like you are the ones who are gold dust to folk like me who are medically complex and are up at 5am bawling my eyes out because no one can help. Thank you.
I'll give advice a woman once told me. If you are going to chase the career path as a woman. Make sure you FREEZE your eggs. That way, when you are ready to start a family, they are there, and you don't have to worry too much about it. Cause when it comes fertility time is not on women's side, but science is.
You literally save lives, footballers kick a football round. No comparison when you look at it like that ❤ I'd be paralysed without a surgeon operating on me in the middle of the night ❤
Imho, the amounts of money Hollywood actors make should be paid to service members, hospital staff on the front line, doctors and surgeons, etc. (And not out of a patient's pocket, ever). Just my humble opinion. 🖤 Thank you for all you do, doc. Much love and respect to you.
So you want Hollywood studios to take the money movies make, and instead of paying the actors like they usually do, they give the money to the government to pay health care workers ? Great
Exactly, I'm not a medical personal but I can see and understand that doctors and nurses are horribly underpaid for the emotional, mental and physical things they go through. It's also not enough to encourage more people to take up the professions. A lot of other things pay wise should also be improved don't get me wrong but the amount of training and the fact that people's lives are in these people's hands, it's a lot of responsibility and can be stressful and upsetting.
I think that pay should be improved In some cases but it’s not just about money. The training/qualifications should be free and they should move away from, or at least separate the degree requirement. If there are enough staff, the job becomes a lot less stressful. A lot of people joined up knowing the pay etc but maybe didn’t realise how gruelling it would be. With a reduced educational debt burden, manageable workload and decent perks (flexible shifts, pension, progression opportunities, car lease) it could be a pretty great job
Didn’t realise how gruelling it would be isn’t right, they didn’t know how much they would be shafted and expected to take on the responsibility and workload of multiple people
Doctors deserve big bucks! Not only do they invest an enormous amount of time and resources into becoming a doctor but they hold life itself in their hands
I didn't know it was that bad... I'm a sales consultant now on 35k salary and considering what I do for a living, I'd say a junior doctor should start at at least 40k. I pull in money and we're paid a commission on top... doctors save lives, you can't put a value on that
I may earn a lot as a nurse compared to others, but people just can't understand that this is because of several different shifts, a lot of night shifts, 2 weekends a months, up to 12 days in a row and the job is especially mentally stressful. Healthcare workers give up their health for the patients, like reverse vampirism.
The average salary for a junior doctor here in Canada (where health care doesn't cost anything) is $140,000 a year. What the hell is going on where you live Dr. Karan?
Yes, and nursing students (RN) get paid nothing at any point during their education including during combined work experience and academic development every term and also during their full-time consolidating work period. I found it almost amusing that nursing students who worked for free were also required to pay for parking and that there was no discount at lunch. There was absolutely no recognition of the student's contribution.
I mean doctors make bank. You start at 30k the first year and within your next 4 years that goes quickly to 100k. And 100k-ish is the lowest paid profession out there
This is the same for our clinical social workers in America. These folks are doing some of the most challenging work helping assist homeless people in crisis, and yet they hardly earn enough to stay out of homelessness themselves.
In Ireland, the gov threatened to pay junior doctors for a 7-hour day rather than an 8-hour day. The junior doctors said; "That's fine, we'll just hand in our bleep to reception & take our hour off." Gov quickly reversed that policy. Truth is, junior doctors are the weakest link in chain, so the gov can easily tackle them, rather than take on other unions.
You can't just abandon your shift like that. On top of it, these are people's lives you're talking about. The issue is in how the medical industry isn't owned and operated by practitioners and clinicians anymore, it's owned by insurance companies and corporate bureaucrats. This is why we need our doctor and nursing unions to fight for our rights as HCPs. It's even worse in skilled nursing with lack of regulations, understaffing and insane patient ratios
@@JustAdude291it’s owned by the state in Britain where this doctor is based, not by insurance companies. We do have private healthcare services but the vast majority of people use the National Health Service and it employs over 1.27 million people, making it the fifth biggest employer in the world.
I mow lawns for a living, love my job. It's fit, hard, hot work. Loving the outdoors, work with plants so their not annoying. Hitting 50 soon and feel like I'm 20 again. Took 3 weeks off work, had most of my clients wanting me back.
Not really when if other professions have wage increases, it will just lead to higher inflation, negating the wage increase cause of the higher cost of living, and most other jobs that pay less than/around median income are low skilled besides e.g. teachers, like I wouldn’t say that a supermarket worker’s wage is undervalued. It’s probably more of an argument that other professions are overvalued (imo most jobs in media/sport/fashion), where their wages can be used better in the NHS and education system. I always wanted to become a doctor but the wages my family members that are doctors were earning weren’t appealing, I’d never work in the public sector
I think teachers should be paid the most Especially in Africa teachers usually spend almost 70% of their lifetime in school , from 7 am and sometimes upto 6pm Only to be paid very little
This is same care staff and support workers who get paid pittance and treated like shit get zero overtime but yet we do our best during caring for someone when shift had finished hours before . That is ongoing throughout working in this line of work. If any staff is under valued it's definitely care staff.
@@kikinatrone in the US. This guy works in England which has the NHS which is a state run Healthcare system which is free of charge for all citizens. However, because consumers aren't charged a fortune for services the medical professionals aren't paid that well. Look up the average income of a Dr in the UK
I’ve worked in the medical field for 15+ years, and so many of the providers I worked with are drowning in student loan debt. One of them tried to buy us lunch but it got declined, and he told us that his student loans weren’t much less than his monthly salary. That was at an urgent care. The docs in derm were sitting pretty on piles of 💰 though 😅
I sometimes wonder if people actually know what an FY1 (a newly qualified junior doctor) does. I think people assume that as a first year doctor their level of responsibility is going to be low and therefore feel that 30000 is appropriate. That first year is one of the most physically and emotionally taxing experiences. (Although to be fair it doesn’t get a lot better!) You often do 12 hour shift, work every other weekend, and do a lot of night shifts. You often carry an arrest bleep, so are part of the team who is running down the corridor to try and save the life of someone who has just had a cardiac arrest. At the weekend you will also carry an call phone, so you are usually the first point of call for 3,4,5+ wards calling you with sick patients to come and assess and treat, families to come and talk to, investigations like chest x-rays and ECGs to interpret, with deceased patients to come and certify and a whole host of other jobs that just fill up your jobs list like bloods, cannulas, ABGs and catheters. It’s common to barely have time to take a break or eat your lunch, and even if you do, you still have your phone on and it’s rare to get through that half an hour without a few phone calls. And all the time you know, while you are being pushed and pulled from ever angle, while you are starving and thirsty and your feet ache from standing up all day, while you phone just won’t stop ringing with new jobs, that if you make one mistake that could be life threatening for a patient in your care. It’s a really grim job at times and I think we should acknowledge that and pay them accordingly.
It's not that people really think doctors are rich, it's that we're tired of paying $1000 for 4 sutures and a "processing fee." The reason most poor people don't go to the doctor more is because it's cheaper to just die than get medical care in most places. Having higher paid doctors isn't gonna make that dynamic any better...
This guy is a British doctor, so thankfully no one is paying anything to have some stitches done (or have a 12 hour surgery and a 6 week ICU stay afterwards for that matter). There are a lot of workers strikes going on in the UK at the moment, including nurses and likely doctors in the near future. They are striking for better pay (which is significantly less than I’m the US) and better working conditions, as many medical professionals are suffering mental health problems as a result of not being able to provide the medical care their patients deserve in the current, criminally underfunded system. Because of this, many doctors and nurses are leaving the NHS which is only exacerbating the problem (not that I hold it against them individually!). We need to pay nurses and doctors more in order to fill the thousands of vacancies in the NHS, this may go some way to helping stem the rush of doctors and nurses leaving the UK to work in other countries, where they often seem to be more respected and better paid for their hard work. Reading stories about privatised health care, about people having to think about their finances before going to the hospital, or making a doctors appointment, it makes me feel some uncomfortable and so grateful that we (currently) have the NHS. The NHS is flawed, underfunded, understaffed and in some places poorly managed, but it is full of brilliant people who are trying to do their best for patient care and push forwards the standards of medicine. I’m so grateful that we don’t pay out of pocket for any hospital care and that people don’t need to worry about that. Some people do pay for prescriptions, but this is the same fee no matter how expensive your medication is (usually about £9 for a months supply) and if you have multiple regular medication you can pay a flat rate of about £18 and that covers as many meds as you need. You also don’t have to pay anything at all if you are a student, retired or make below a certain amount of money, or I think if you have cancer. Because of this, many British people don’t have any idea how much any of their healthcare costs, because they’ve never seen a bill for their care, they just turn up, get their healthcare, and then leave. I think of the NHS ever does collapse the UK population is going to be in for a nasty surprise.
This doctor is British and so am I. You don’t pay for most treatments here. You do pay for eye care, audiology, dentistry and prescriptions… and that is it. Everything else is free on the NHS including contraception, mental healthcare etc.
Doctors and surgeons ARE rich, in the US. In the UK they just don't want to have anything change the classism, and allow normal people to become rich solely because of their profession. It's completely fucked. There's a reason they earn so much in the US, and its because they do genuinely earn it!
What do you mean by this? Are you saying there is a lack of social mobility in Britain? I would be inclined to agree with you but I don’t think it’s much better in the US, and at least here healthcare is free at the point of use… we just need to cut red tape and ensure tax dodging companies and individuals pay their share of tax in order to pay medical staff better.
@@tobeytransport2802 its definitely true, and in the US literally anyone can become rich, thats far less possible in the uk/britain🤷♀️ u could come from a super poor family that had nothing, n then start a business that excels and suddenly ur bringing in 100s of thousands a year. Thats wat my dad did, started a painting company and within a few years, he was making over 300k per year, and that lasted for 15yrs, until it started dwindling down to 200k, and balanced out at 150k a yr simply bcus he took less work n was satisfied with his life and the savings he put up. How often does that happen there? Cus theres millions and millions of people in the US that are like my dad, so many are even more rich then him🤷♀️ or u could start from nothing but study hard in school, get a scholarship to a good college, get a degree n then boom they get a job starting at 150k a yr, n in 5yrs theyre a multimillionaire, hanging out with other elites. That simply does not happen in Britain
@@tobeytransport2802 to correct myself, im sure it HAS happened in britain, but i do not think it happens as often, and to as many people, as it does here. While yes, its so much easier to become rich when u already come from a wealthy family, it is still very possible for the poor people here to go from dirt poor, to super rich, and anywhere in between. And although i do think alot of our doctors are overpaid and our healthcare system in general is completely fucked, its somewhat irrelevant to classism. Thats a monopoly and big business issue, but those issues wouldnt be possible in a country where anyone can do and become anything
@@tobeytransport2802 i also wanted to add, my dad came from an extremely, extremely poor family. Both my parents were products of immigrants. My dad told stories about having to walk something like 15miles to go get my grandpa from the bar on friday night so he wouldnt spend his whole paycheck on alcohol. And how they used to goto the butchers and dig thru their garbages and take meat scraps for my grandma to cook up for dinner, cus otherwise they would barely eat if they didnt do that. He also lived in a "project," not sure if u know what those are but theyre really bad, we grew up on the outskirts of new york, by the city. So i think hes like a perfect example of going from nothing to something
I had a resident working with attending OB for the delivery of my first baby. It was a very long and traumatic one. She stayed until almost 4 am to see us through to recovery, and she had another shift starting at 10am She was absolutely incredible, I am so grateful for her support!
I have a friend who was a specific surgeon (don’t wanna dox him accidentally) in UK. He did good, some even thought too good. That’s why they started outright bullying him because he’s black, his colleagues genuinely asked him “how’d you get a diploma? You’re from Africa, right? How did you pay for medic school? Isn’t this profession kinda not fit ‘your people’ “. Thankfully he started a business on the side and didn’t have to face those nasty cunts anymore. Even if you - as a doctor - manage to secure good pay, it doesn’t mean some envious shitlords won’t ruin it for you in any way they’re capable of
For those unaware, £30000 ($37000) on a 40-hr week schedule is about $17/hr. Which of course first year doctors (or residency doctors in the US) do way more hours than that.
I agree. And NHS nurses are on far more than a junior doctor, and they know far, far less, have monumentally less responsibility, and the nurses are striking for a 20% pay rise! Go figure.
Speaking of a raise in salary, do not forget teachers they do a lot of hard work and do not get paid enough. Mostly they don’t get paid enough to put up with the kids crap and they always get your curriculums changed.
Agree 100% as a Canadian, British doctors are the most overworked and underpaid and undervalued compared to their Canadian counterparts. I take my hats off to the british medical professionals. My dad was in a hospital.in the uk, we were blown away by everyone who treated him. The expertise but also the care and compassion
In Wales, we just spent 33 million pound on reducing the speed limit from 30 to 20 but we can't afford to pay health care professionals fairly. The system is beyond damaged.
It's maddening that the NHS is one of the best public healthcare providers in the world in terms of what the doctors and nurses provide, and yet the NHS salaries are as low as they are for so many of our healthcare professionals! Not to mention the underappreciated cleaners!
I've got a cousin who's a GP she has a nice house, decent bank BUT she's worked hard saving and money management her whole life. Doctors in the US make more than some other countries, but I respect the ones who have seen things others can't imagine
Factor in the debt incurred from so many years at university, that's a big hit. It gets better with time, but i do think GPs are overvalued and hospital staff undervalued. Performance based wages would be a shock to the system.
Absolutely, and all health professionals. My colleague as a then student midwife on a 13 hour night shift, her job was to carry the corpse of a stillborn baby back and forth the fridge and the grieving mother all night. As a student dietitian I was spat at, sworn at, pissed on, was involved in multiple emergencies, had to tell cancer patients that their type of malnutrition was irreversible, and more. Graduate salary 27k, ceiling after years 45k before moving into management. People literally earn more stacking shelves. I’m now a lecturer in the same (still only on 38k) training future health professionals. I love the science but I make no attempt to hide reality. We have to speak out.
Absolutely, people are assholes and treat doctors and nurses like shit, meanwhile these healthcare professionals are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES. But I’ll get paid almost half a mil a year to pull oil out of the ground in Canada which don’t get me wrong me the boys work hard and put in time but this shows how much the world we live in puts a price tag on things THEY care about.
And the local GP is on 6 figures on average .. and you can't get an appointment since Wu-flu, despite there still being waiting rooms with 50 empty chairs in them....
I agree with you, and EMS professionals also deserve more! We stay late, work nights, and see horrific things even before patients make it to a hospital. And yet, many EMTs and paramedics make minimum wage.
£30,000 a year isn't a bad starting salary if you're working 40 hours a week with weekends & get decent holidays. It's a slap in the face if you're doing shift work though, especially after 6 years of expensive training that you've paid for.
This is why I switched majors. I was in my last year but something happened to both of my parents health-wise (different things but at the same time). And I realized they aren't getting younger. I volunteered in nursing homes previously and witnessed the lack of care in them either from workers not caring, exhaustion, or spread too thin. I was already care-giving for my 94-year old grandma. But the situation made me realize that my parents would soon need my care as well. And I can't do that if I work 18 hour days. Fortunately for me, I minored in another subject so I was able to switch majors and still finish in a decent amount of time from where I left off basically. I still use my knowledge, and I'm grateful for what I know. I will just be using it differently now. And I can get a decent pay for my work with opportunities to go home every night, see my family, and sleep.
It's the moving around that's killing me. Nearly 40 and I've still got another 2yrs of moving hospitals (beyond commutable distance) before I can settle down. Each move is expensive and exhausting and we get 1days leave only.
£30k isn't good for a job with that much responsibility, I believe it should be doubled, especially for those working in inner cities. I would also double nurses pay too.
As a porter we saw horrific things, death, trauma, dealing with the family of the dead/dying, paediatric deaths, prep for mortuary, supplying urgent blood/gas etc. UK AFC band 2....
I live in Canada and I remember at the start of Covid the health care workers were taking strikes and saying they’d move to the USA, my doctor said he doesn’t agree with for profit health care and that he’d never leave Canada, I don’t like Canada as a country right now but I respect the hell outta my doctor. Had same one since I was like 6.
Doctors definitely deserve more, but nurses and sanitary as well. They also do a whole lot of hard work taking care of people and keeping them alive.
Nurses honestly do way more work than most doctors and get way less pay
Not the Doctors but the Nurses deserve a rise, Doctors already earn alotttt... Dr. Karan mentions the first year pay forgetting in all professions you get paid less and also forgetting that the pay doctors get after 5 years of work.. But if you compare, doctors in first year earn way more in their first year compared with other professions first year! And similarly if you compare 8year doctor and 8 year other profession..
Dr. Karan in this clip is like missing all the good good and mentioning the first year of doctor out of probably his 30+ years as a doctor!
Both doctor and nurse need to be paid more and that came from a doctor family
@@johnplayer1052 he's not saying doctors in general should get a pay rise, but junior doctors need to be more supported so they can focus on their job without the added stress of money problems.
Doctors need more pay raise than nurses they study for 10+ years 🤦
True, one of the main reasons I switched last minute from medicine to dentistry. I would rather still do medicine as it much more interesting and rewarding yet I couldn't see myself handling the work hours with the pay. I highly respect all doctors who choose their passions over salaries. You've earned a sub from me!
Same!! I switched for the same reason as well. I couldn't imagine myself working for so many hours for a less pay
I don't know your financial situation, but if you could afford it, you definitely should go abroad and get your education there, and then become a doctor there. Most developed nations pay their doctors very well, the US, and the uk in some ways. Very much does not, though it's much better in the uk. If you'd like, I can give you some great websites where you can actually study abroad for free, and have all if not most of your costs covered, or, if you you'd like, there's an even better website where you can sign up to work wherever you'd like, and they pay for EVERYTHING, all you have to do is the community work you signed up for, and boom, you're in another country for free. People, especially Americans, have to realize that the world is massive, and it's not this bad everywhere, infact it's quite good for most people in areas like Europe.
@@tortellinifettuccine thanks for the insight but I'm good, I'm currently first year at dental school in the UK. However this is news to me and never heard this pathway before during school.
@Mohammad Ashar horizon, motostays, trustroots, be welcome, couchsurfing. The one I was talking about with traveling for free in exchange for a bit of labor is really good, and I have first hand experience with it but I don't remember the name, I promise to try and find it. But for now, thoes other ones are really great as well.
@Anonymous thanks great! I'm happy you're comfortable with your choice, that's the best thing anyone can hope for. And yes, it's a path I took as well, I was kind of a nomad for a year, doing unpaid labor all the while all my needs were covered, and they would even pay for my medical Marijuana! It was really great for me. It helped me decide on a career path for me, and now I'm back in college finishing off my last few years.
Recently my surgery went four hours over expected. My nurse, an amazing woman, waited a full two hours after her shift ended to receive me after the surgery and settle me into the ward. I have no idea how many others also extended their shifts to make sure I was safe and comfortable. But the fact that she was waiting for me with a smile on her face was genuinely so wonderful after waking from a very intense surgery.
What a sweetheart 🥲 My mom is a nurse and she's the type of person to go above and beyond for her patients like that. She often stays late (unpaid) to do foot care, cut patient's hair (she works in complex care so patients are there long term), etc. She's also brought home her patient's special blankets/quilts to wash because the hospital laundry often loses stuff like that.
I do hope she managed to get a good rest and food in that time
As she’s paid to do. So very heartwarming
She did for the extrapay you really think anyone cares 😂
I am so thankful for doctors and they deserve every penny they make. Doctors legitimately giveaway life force to the craft.
That's true, and it's not worth it. Eventually, the whole structure will break apart, bc "junior doctors" are simply too underpaid. Weird phrase, junior doctor. It allows others to devalue you and your objective actual work. Junior doctors do most of the ED & ward interventions, for example.
@@eloiinvestigatesto be fair, the name "junior doctor" has technically been discontinued
My cousin works for NHS. he is a specialist and he get €34k a year. Nurse with 20 years of experience get €24 a year. He said he feels guilty and everydays is like sinning against the poor and dying brits. They have to wait months to get appointment and only 10 minutes per patients is allowed. Plus, they can only take care of one problem per visit. If you have cancer and BP. You'll have to choose which one should treat first and wait for months to get appointment again for the other. He explained not to believe the internet. UK has the worst health care amongst the poor countries and there is no way NHS can compete against rich and developing countries.
Liverpool is full of poverty. Only thriving business are cheap Chinese food (brits bearly affords them) and endless pawn shops. He plans on moving to rich country like the US in 2024.
@@eloiinvestigatesmy cousin who works for the NHS get paid a shameful €34k a year. He is a specialist doctor. He is moving out to the US. He said he had enough with a poor country playing rich.
Bruh the point here is that they deserve more
Speak on it, wish more people realise this 💯
1 years should be paid less because they lack experience that said they pay should increase by their working years that be about 5 ~ 10 years later
THAT IS EVERY INDUSTRY!You can't paid the same amount of money as someone who has been doing it for 10 -20 years on yout first year. You need to rack up experience to become the consultant/director of medicine/surgery.
To the 2 people above me:
You’re not factoring in the 4-8 years of *expensive* schooling and the subsequent student loans.
You can get a job for 30k in a few years, without college if you’re lucky. But getting that job after paying for 4-8 years of college is a pretty bad financial move 😅
It’s true that doctors should be paid more if they have a few years of experience, but if you pay new doctors this little, soon there will be no new doctors.
This same problem affects Airline pilots, which we currently have a shortage of (at least, as far as i am aware, things may have changed in the last few years).
@@CMT_Crabbles you say that like you’re gonna get average industry pay just starting in any industry
I think that “rich surgeons” stereotype isn’t really a stereotype, it’s just US centric.
No, doctors across Europe also have significantly higher salaries than the UK/Canada does as well. Its not as high as the US sure, but after factoring in reduced college debt and growth of doctor wages after graduation they're taking home comparable rates.
Yeah I owe the American government over half a million dollars. How much I make is significantly reduced by that. Further, in the US we give up more time - in the UK they start as a junior physician at roughly late twenties, whereas in the US, we start earning money to even start on our debt in our mid thirties
@@EthanMitch why do you owe so much money to the government 😧 is that the cost of your career?
@@dianisquezada9356 medical school is 75k per year plus interest and college was 25k per year
Nah, i lived in asia, we do think the same. You don't have to be surgeon, just doctor. They already scream "money and prestige"
I’m a med student and I can clock out at 5 pm, but my resident often gets stuck past 11 PM on busy days, especially on weekends when there is a lack of staff.
Residents deserve more! They do all the scut work, do a million things, get yelled at all day by attendings, patients, angry family members, etc, and are overworked.
They often have night shifts as well, so their sleep schedule gets so messed up. They deserve to be paid so much more.
You are absolutely right. My work does not end when I go home as a primary care doctor. I have two hours of test results, patient messages, patient, emails, refills, prior authorizations, and everything else that healthcare demands of me for free. You don’t get paid for anything except seeing the patient in the office. Once they leave, that’s when the real work begins.
I wish doctors and nurses and consultants in hospitals were paid more and appreciated more. 😔
I just want an administration that doesn’t treat us like dog shit. Sure the whole “Health Care Heros” sounded nice. But reality our work got even more difficult and scrutinized.
American nurses are actually paid a lot. I believe they are 3rd, if not somewhere in top 5 pay for the world
@@Capthrax1 it's often not the salary that makes nurses complain, it's their working conditions. Lot of ppl demand to pay nurses more as it's easier than to fix the problems. Don't know if it's the same in the US, but in many countries they have too many working hours, getting more patients but less time for them.
And most nurses I know don't demand higher salaries, but better conditions
@@Capthrax1 my friend I may get “paid” a lot. But working conditions like unsafe staffing and got to take account living expenses vary each state/country. I’m going to HVAC school because it’s tiring of dealing with death and sickness.
Well as someone who worked in agency taht had nurses on the books- the pay rate on day shift was 20 pounds an hour . Do 40 hours per week and you have 800 , count on 52 weeks a year and you are looking on 42000 .... I also have a friend here in UK and she ised to tell us what last minute rates she would be able to get and so on - anyhoo him saying 30000 does not seem realistic if we are talking about full time hours at least ......
This shit is reaching a breaking point here in Malaysia. Unfortunately, many here still take it as easy as "if you can't stand it, just quit". If those medical workers heed their advice this country would have a crisis in its hands.
Same for cleaners, particularly people who clean streets and collect bins. They play a HUGE part in prevention of the spread of disease
💯
Plumbing has saved more lives than medicine…
@@My_profile592 Medicine also includes the prevention of disease. Proper plumbing is an extension of that. It's not that plumbing has saved more lives than medicine but that it is medicine
@@My_profile592both plumbing and medicine contribute to the prevention of diseases, it's not the matter of who saved more lives it's the fact that lives are being saved regardless is what matter
Nobody is doing 5-6 years of intense and expensive training to clean though?
I worked with a surgeon consultant, who could not afford a 3 bedroom house when he got his 3 child. He was on 70k a year. Very hard work doctor.
So NHS money is not going in doctors pockets, nurses and healthcare assistants.
From Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics, to Porters and Cleaners, all NHS staff deserve a pay rise and better conditions. We need to pull funding from millionaire Tory doners and refund the health and social care in the UK
Well said.
Funding has gone up for the NHS by billions every year. It's a poorly managed system because it's run by government.
But not poorly funded.
search "kingsfund nhs budget"
😂 can’t have it all can you
@@MasalaMan @BirdFish it's purposely being run that way cos they wanna privatise it to their yanky cronies. They're already on the board, and running some trusts. It's the extremely expensive outsourcing of in-house clinics, procedures, use of agency staff, etc that's causing a lot of the issues. So you're right, it's THIS government that is running it badly
@@MasalaMan NHS funding *always* goes up under Labour and down under Tories. By whatever metric you use: in real terms (I e. adjusted for inflation), or as a portion of the GDP.
The only metric that *makes* it look higher is the one the Tories use: comparing the absolute numbers. "We gave them £5b more than last year!" Yes, but a) due to the inflation, you should have given them £15b more just to stay in the same place and b) the NHS never sees that money in the first place, most of it goes to private providers and contractors that the Tories conveniently included under the same umbrella.
I have the utmost respect for anyone in this field. Thank you for all you do.
This is why there are 139,000 vacancies in the NHS and the nurses r going on strike. They get paid fuck all while working long, stressful and mentally taxing hours
I saw a short from a US based doctor explainging what her wages were. With all the on call, 24h shifts, long days and whatever else doctors do in a hospital, her hourly rate would be about $7. She still has to pay bills and has huge student loans to pay off. With what basically equates to below minimum wage.
You either pay them more or hire more doctors so they don't have to work 80+ hours a week. Or how about both? An exhausted doctor isn't doing anyone any good.
Strangely plumbers have the same problems.
Don't forget about Medical professional liability insurance. NOT CHEAP!
Exactly!!
Depends if they are working as a GP at their own surgery or not. If they are working in a hospital for the NHS that is already covered for them.
Jobs that help people and save lives need stellar rewards for the workers.
100%. I'm doing first year anesthesiology in another European country, earning about the same as a garbage collector or train conductor. I'm going back to private GP, where my salary will be 2-3x what I have now, with better work schedules.
Lost hours. That's exactly it. There are hospitals where it is common not to get paid any overtime. You stay until the job done for the day. Why? Because most doctors have the problem to actually care about their patients and their colleagues. When you go home, you leave your patients to the doctor on duty (night shift) which stays until the next morning and longer (plus likely has been there for about 8 hours before). So when that doctor is you, you don't want to take care off all the little tasks that the other doctors left you when you are responsible for the A and E, the floors and the ICU.
So you don't leave shit tasks to the doctor on duty either.
The US military recognizes the value of junior physicians by paying residents with a yearly bonus in addition to their base pay. An extra 70k per year. You can also get the military to pay for medical school in exchange for time served. An unparalleled medical educational experience.
People become doctors to save lives, not heal those who take it so they can kill more people. UK junior doctors are payed so little due to the tories defending the NHS. You yanks don't even have free healthcare.
All you have to do is sell your soul to the military....
Dang! That's good!
and all you have to do is sell your soul. lmao
@@mildlydispleased3221 I’m American and I have had free healthcare my entire life-because of the military. Cradle to grave. My healthcare is now provided by the Veterans Administration and I pay zero dollars.
Your statements about military medicine are uninformed and incorrect.
I am medically complex and the young doctors and nurses have been incredible. The trained and highly paid doctors not so much.
From a medical physician insider, you just scored a direct hit over the target. I'm in total agreement. The seniors get their pound of flesh in the form of slave labour before they let the juniors even get a whiff of the 💰
I could take the workload in the hospital any more. I get less money now that I am working in a GP office, but I've got sooooo much more personal time. So my hourly rate actually went up and my work life balance has much improved.
I agree. I had a doc friend and her salary was embarrassing. She was shocked when she found out about mine. She is a bit older than me and I work in IT. My salary was triple hers. This needs to change.
Is she a junior doctor? How many years in is in her field ?
He is right the first years after medical school are horrific, but once your an attending, at least in the US, it pays off a lot. It’s sad that once doctors are attendings and make a ton they seem to forget how bad it used to suck, and then work their team into the ground.
Many of them become bad people at that point. And their youth is behind them. Medicine is not a good way to become rich, and that's your goal it's gonna suck
He acts as if they are the exception. This literally happens to every field. You can't pay a novice apprentice the same as a advanced experience apprentice. Plus the mistakes jr doctors make the first year is just WOW. (And the shear arrogance when you try and correct them is just WOW). - Neurosurgery NP by the way
@@kikinatrone novice Dr's make 6 figures in the US.
@@kikinatrone totally agree. Even some first year attendings have this astounding arrogance that is scary when you think about it. I’m a surgical technologist on a heart team. I’m back in school to either become a PA or maybe Med school. Over the past 5 years I have learned exactly who I don’t want to be like as a medical professional. Lately I have been around doctors who are especially eager to cut when it may not be the best option. I’m sure you’ve seen this.
Um well, not really. Maybe that’s the case where you’re from, but here in the UK, your annual salary after you’ve gone through all your core and specialist training, which in the UK is 2 years of foundation + 3 years of core training + up to 8 years of specialist training, is still only 58k british pounds per year. So you’re 13 years into your career as a doctor, which means you’re probably 37 years old, and you’re still earning only 58k, which is way undervalued for the amount of work doctors are doing
Yes, it's devaluing. That's why many doctors went into the private sector or operate their own clinic.
I'm assuming this would be after they fully qualify and are no longer junior doctors so not really relevant to this point.
It surprises me sometimes how many people want to be doctors considering how grueling the process is and thankless the job can really be if your not some specialist
You're right. Healthcare professionals as a whole should be valued more & payed more.
Privatisation is not the answer to this issue though.
Tell that to Doug Ford (Premier of Canada) whose aggressively destroying our healthcare system so they can start to privatize it
Privatization is sometimes worse
Yeah and exorbitantly high prices
Healthcare should not be treated like a commodity or priced like a luxury.
@@caseyd3664 much worse!
I'm English, and worked in hospitals in the North East, and Nuneaton, but now I live in the USA. This subject often comes up, so I looked it up; one of the comparisons was a cardiologist, in the UK they earn about £60,000 a year when they start, whilst in the USA they start on about $550,000.
Definitely. Docs and nurses should be paid way more than they actually get. Massive respect to them for what they do and go through physically and emotionally.
You are correct. Doctors should be paid more for all the amazing things they do. Bless you Doctor.
I've said for years that healthcare professionals of all sorts should be paid like professional athletes and vice versa. I still believe this.
Entertainers are paid ridiculous money because a) it is in their nature to promote themselves and b) they attract crowds willing to pay ridiculous money. Healthcare lacks both attributes.
@@olmostgudinaf8100 that shouldn't even be an argument. It shouldn't be the everyday people that pay for doctors salaries anyway, it just should be fair from the beginning since their work is so much more important anyways
Are you willing to pay more on taxes then?
@Eustass Seraphina have you seen a doctors salary of 10 years vs the ordinary person of 10 years? Don't feel sorry for them
@@cheesecakepaws Sorry, I didn't mean it as an argument. I meant it as a demonstration of how stupid the society is.
Absolutely. I'm a med student and I see my twenties running out of my grasp. Where I'm from, women just generally don't study a lot. A lot of my female colleagues are already married and the numbers will only go up until my final year.
Then there's me, who actually wants to focus on modelling my career and helping people out. However I see hurdles when I think about my country's economy, our financial crisis and my dad's obvious demand for me to also be betrothed
Thank you for sticking to your beliefs. Folk like you are the ones who are gold dust to folk like me who are medically complex and are up at 5am bawling my eyes out because no one can help.
Thank you.
I'll give advice a woman once told me. If you are going to chase the career path as a woman. Make sure you FREEZE your eggs. That way, when you are ready to start a family, they are there, and you don't have to worry too much about it. Cause when it comes fertility time is not on women's side, but science is.
You’re sounding hella anti women here
Nothing wrong with getting married
@@avacadomangobanana2588 lol not at all. Me stating how things work in my country for women doesn't make me "anti-women"
You literally save lives, footballers kick a football round. No comparison when you look at it like that ❤ I'd be paralysed without a surgeon operating on me in the middle of the night ❤
Don't worry, we've got you covered. We're paying what really matters, Football players, Actors, etc, instead.
Imho, the amounts of money Hollywood actors make should be paid to service members, hospital staff on the front line, doctors and surgeons, etc. (And not out of a patient's pocket, ever). Just my humble opinion. 🖤 Thank you for all you do, doc. Much love and respect to you.
So you want Hollywood studios to take the money movies make, and instead of paying the actors like they usually do, they give the money to the government to pay health care workers ? Great
Exactly, I'm not a medical personal but I can see and understand that doctors and nurses are horribly underpaid for the emotional, mental and physical things they go through. It's also not enough to encourage more people to take up the professions. A lot of other things pay wise should also be improved don't get me wrong but the amount of training and the fact that people's lives are in these people's hands, it's a lot of responsibility and can be stressful and upsetting.
I think that pay should be improved In some cases but it’s not just about money.
The training/qualifications should be free and they should move away from, or at least separate the degree requirement.
If there are enough staff, the job becomes a lot less stressful.
A lot of people joined up knowing the pay etc but maybe didn’t realise how gruelling it would be.
With a reduced educational debt burden, manageable workload and decent perks (flexible shifts, pension, progression opportunities, car lease) it could be a pretty great job
Didn’t realise how gruelling it would be isn’t right, they didn’t know how much they would be shafted and expected to take on the responsibility and workload of multiple people
Doctors deserve big bucks! Not only do they invest an enormous amount of time and resources into becoming a doctor but they hold life itself in their hands
I didn't know it was that bad... I'm a sales consultant now on 35k salary and considering what I do for a living, I'd say a junior doctor should start at at least 40k. I pull in money and we're paid a commission on top... doctors save lives, you can't put a value on that
I may earn a lot as a nurse compared to others, but people just can't understand that this is because of several different shifts, a lot of night shifts, 2 weekends a months, up to 12 days in a row and the job is especially mentally stressful. Healthcare workers give up their health for the patients, like reverse vampirism.
Tax the rich, fund the NHS.
Can't tax the rich
We don't even use the NHS because it's so bad, tax us less since we can't use the services we have to pay for!
don't tax the rich
Bro someone needs to fund the mosques
They already have tories for it
The average salary for a junior doctor here in Canada (where health care doesn't cost anything) is $140,000 a year. What the hell is going on where you live Dr. Karan?
Yes, and nursing students (RN) get paid nothing at any point during their education including during combined work experience and academic development every term and also during their full-time consolidating work period. I found it almost amusing that nursing students who worked for free were also required to pay for parking and that there was no discount at lunch. There was absolutely no recognition of the student's contribution.
I believe all medical professionals should have free mental health care also higher wages /salaries.
Mental Health Care is covered on the NHS.
Doctors, educator's and emergency service workers all should be paid more.
100%
Except many countries are freezing their wages.
I mean doctors make bank. You start at 30k the first year and within your next 4 years that goes quickly to 100k. And 100k-ish is the lowest paid profession out there
You guys shine compensated & have incentives & bonuses that both benefit the nurses/doctors & the patients!
This is the same for our clinical social workers in America. These folks are doing some of the most challenging work helping assist homeless people in crisis, and yet they hardly earn enough to stay out of homelessness themselves.
if all doctors just decided leave after 5 pm i swear their pay will increase more for them to stay
In Ireland, the gov threatened to pay junior doctors for a 7-hour day rather than an 8-hour day. The junior doctors said; "That's fine, we'll just hand in our bleep to reception & take our hour off." Gov quickly reversed that policy. Truth is, junior doctors are the weakest link in chain, so the gov can easily tackle them, rather than take on other unions.
You can't just abandon your shift like that. On top of it, these are people's lives you're talking about. The issue is in how the medical industry isn't owned and operated by practitioners and clinicians anymore, it's owned by insurance companies and corporate bureaucrats. This is why we need our doctor and nursing unions to fight for our rights as HCPs. It's even worse in skilled nursing with lack of regulations, understaffing and insane patient ratios
@@JustAdude291it’s owned by the state in Britain where this doctor is based, not by insurance companies. We do have private healthcare services but the vast majority of people use the National Health Service and it employs over 1.27 million people, making it the fifth biggest employer in the world.
"£30k sounds like a lot" is not an argument that doctors earn too much. It is an argument that other professions are undervalued, too.
I mow lawns for a living, love my job. It's fit, hard, hot work. Loving the outdoors, work with plants so their not annoying. Hitting 50 soon and feel like I'm 20 again. Took 3 weeks off work, had most of my clients wanting me back.
Not really when if other professions have wage increases, it will just lead to higher inflation, negating the wage increase cause of the higher cost of living, and most other jobs that pay less than/around median income are low skilled besides e.g. teachers, like I wouldn’t say that a supermarket worker’s wage is undervalued. It’s probably more of an argument that other professions are overvalued (imo most jobs in media/sport/fashion), where their wages can be used better in the NHS and education system. I always wanted to become a doctor but the wages my family members that are doctors were earning weren’t appealing, I’d never work in the public sector
I think teachers should be paid the most
Especially in Africa teachers usually spend almost 70% of their lifetime in school , from 7 am and sometimes upto 6pm
Only to be paid very little
This is same care staff and support workers who get paid pittance and treated like shit get zero overtime but yet we do our best during caring for someone when shift had finished hours before . That is ongoing throughout working in this line of work. If any staff is under valued it's definitely care staff.
Fund the NHS
Sadly I struggle to see this happening in the near future
You can earn more as a travel CNA in the US, than a Dr!
They get played more than $200,000 a year?
@@kikinatrone in the US. This guy works in England which has the NHS which is a state run Healthcare system which is free of charge for all citizens. However, because consumers aren't charged a fortune for services the medical professionals aren't paid that well.
Look up the average income of a Dr in the UK
@@kikinatronethey dont. One google search says very much otherwise. The most I saw was $65,000
Stop the lies
I’ve worked in the medical field for 15+ years, and so many of the providers I worked with are drowning in student loan debt. One of them tried to buy us lunch but it got declined, and he told us that his student loans weren’t much less than his monthly salary. That was at an urgent care. The docs in derm were sitting pretty on piles of 💰 though 😅
I sometimes wonder if people actually know what an FY1 (a newly qualified junior doctor) does. I think people assume that as a first year doctor their level of responsibility is going to be low and therefore feel that 30000 is appropriate.
That first year is one of the most physically and emotionally taxing experiences. (Although to be fair it doesn’t get a lot better!)
You often do 12 hour shift, work every other weekend, and do a lot of night shifts.
You often carry an arrest bleep, so are part of the team who is running down the corridor to try and save the life of someone who has just had a cardiac arrest. At the weekend you will also carry an call phone, so you are usually the first point of call for 3,4,5+ wards calling you with sick patients to come and assess and treat, families to come and talk to, investigations like chest x-rays and ECGs to interpret, with deceased patients to come and certify and a whole host of other jobs that just fill up your jobs list like bloods, cannulas, ABGs and catheters.
It’s common to barely have time to take a break or eat your lunch, and even if you do, you still have your phone on and it’s rare to get through that half an hour without a few phone calls.
And all the time you know, while you are being pushed and pulled from ever angle, while you are starving and thirsty and your feet ache from standing up all day, while you phone just won’t stop ringing with new jobs, that if you make one mistake that could be life threatening for a patient in your care.
It’s a really grim job at times and I think we should acknowledge that and pay them accordingly.
Male nurse. Junior doctors get a lot of grief but the NHS would literally fall apart without them. Especially out of hours
>"Junior doctor"
> "Dr. Jr. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH **starts beatboxing**" -AI Plankton.
Agreed. Everyone in the medical field deserve a huge raise, Especially after the last few years.
The median salary is £33k, I wouldn't expect a doctor at any level to earn less than the median.
nurses too! They should get a raise
Being a doctor is probably one of the most honorable professions out there
It's not that people really think doctors are rich, it's that we're tired of paying $1000 for 4 sutures and a "processing fee." The reason most poor people don't go to the doctor more is because it's cheaper to just die than get medical care in most places. Having higher paid doctors isn't gonna make that dynamic any better...
This guy is a British doctor, so thankfully no one is paying anything to have some stitches done (or have a 12 hour surgery and a 6 week ICU stay afterwards for that matter).
There are a lot of workers strikes going on in the UK at the moment, including nurses and likely doctors in the near future. They are striking for better pay (which is significantly less than I’m the US) and better working conditions, as many medical professionals are suffering mental health problems as a result of not being able to provide the medical care their patients deserve in the current, criminally underfunded system. Because of this, many doctors and nurses are leaving the NHS which is only exacerbating the problem (not that I hold it against them individually!). We need to pay nurses and doctors more in order to fill the thousands of vacancies in the NHS, this may go some way to helping stem the rush of doctors and nurses leaving the UK to work in other countries, where they often seem to be more respected and better paid for their hard work.
Reading stories about privatised health care, about people having to think about their finances before going to the hospital, or making a doctors appointment, it makes me feel some uncomfortable and so grateful that we (currently) have the NHS. The NHS is flawed, underfunded, understaffed and in some places poorly managed, but it is full of brilliant people who are trying to do their best for patient care and push forwards the standards of medicine. I’m so grateful that we don’t pay out of pocket for any hospital care and that people don’t need to worry about that. Some people do pay for prescriptions, but this is the same fee no matter how expensive your medication is (usually about £9 for a months supply) and if you have multiple regular medication you can pay a flat rate of about £18 and that covers as many meds as you need. You also don’t have to pay anything at all if you are a student, retired or make below a certain amount of money, or I think if you have cancer.
Because of this, many British people don’t have any idea how much any of their healthcare costs, because they’ve never seen a bill for their care, they just turn up, get their healthcare, and then leave. I think of the NHS ever does collapse the UK population is going to be in for a nasty surprise.
This doctor is British and so am I. You don’t pay for most treatments here. You do pay for eye care, audiology, dentistry and prescriptions… and that is it. Everything else is free on the NHS including contraception, mental healthcare etc.
Doctors and surgeons ARE rich, in the US. In the UK they just don't want to have anything change the classism, and allow normal people to become rich solely because of their profession. It's completely fucked. There's a reason they earn so much in the US, and its because they do genuinely earn it!
What do you mean by this? Are you saying there is a lack of social mobility in Britain? I would be inclined to agree with you but I don’t think it’s much better in the US, and at least here healthcare is free at the point of use… we just need to cut red tape and ensure tax dodging companies and individuals pay their share of tax in order to pay medical staff better.
@@tobeytransport2802 its definitely true, and in the US literally anyone can become rich, thats far less possible in the uk/britain🤷♀️ u could come from a super poor family that had nothing, n then start a business that excels and suddenly ur bringing in 100s of thousands a year. Thats wat my dad did, started a painting company and within a few years, he was making over 300k per year, and that lasted for 15yrs, until it started dwindling down to 200k, and balanced out at 150k a yr simply bcus he took less work n was satisfied with his life and the savings he put up. How often does that happen there? Cus theres millions and millions of people in the US that are like my dad, so many are even more rich then him🤷♀️ or u could start from nothing but study hard in school, get a scholarship to a good college, get a degree n then boom they get a job starting at 150k a yr, n in 5yrs theyre a multimillionaire, hanging out with other elites. That simply does not happen in Britain
@@tobeytransport2802 to correct myself, im sure it HAS happened in britain, but i do not think it happens as often, and to as many people, as it does here. While yes, its so much easier to become rich when u already come from a wealthy family, it is still very possible for the poor people here to go from dirt poor, to super rich, and anywhere in between. And although i do think alot of our doctors are overpaid and our healthcare system in general is completely fucked, its somewhat irrelevant to classism. Thats a monopoly and big business issue, but those issues wouldnt be possible in a country where anyone can do and become anything
@@tobeytransport2802 i also wanted to add, my dad came from an extremely, extremely poor family. Both my parents were products of immigrants. My dad told stories about having to walk something like 15miles to go get my grandpa from the bar on friday night so he wouldnt spend his whole paycheck on alcohol. And how they used to goto the butchers and dig thru their garbages and take meat scraps for my grandma to cook up for dinner, cus otherwise they would barely eat if they didnt do that. He also lived in a "project," not sure if u know what those are but theyre really bad, we grew up on the outskirts of new york, by the city. So i think hes like a perfect example of going from nothing to something
Very well said Sir. You Doctors are worth your weight in platinum and so much more. I respect you all ❤❤💯💯
I had a resident working with attending OB for the delivery of my first baby. It was a very long and traumatic one. She stayed until almost 4 am to see us through to recovery, and she had another shift starting at 10am She was absolutely incredible, I am so grateful for her support!
doctors are one of the most important people on earth and they should be paid accordingly
Yes! Pay skilled and unskilled workers more, give less tax cuts to big money, make your country a better place to live.
I have a friend who was a specific surgeon (don’t wanna dox him accidentally) in UK. He did good, some even thought too good. That’s why they started outright bullying him because he’s black, his colleagues genuinely asked him “how’d you get a diploma? You’re from Africa, right? How did you pay for medic school? Isn’t this profession kinda not fit ‘your people’ “. Thankfully he started a business on the side and didn’t have to face those nasty cunts anymore.
Even if you - as a doctor - manage to secure good pay, it doesn’t mean some envious shitlords won’t ruin it for you in any way they’re capable of
Shit, his story sounds like a dumb telltale if you think about it, Yet I assure you it’s legit
For those unaware, £30000 ($37000) on a 40-hr week schedule is about $17/hr. Which of course first year doctors (or residency doctors in the US) do way more hours than that.
I agree. And NHS nurses are on far more than a junior doctor, and they know far, far less, have monumentally less responsibility, and the nurses are striking for a 20% pay rise! Go figure.
Speaking of a raise in salary, do not forget teachers they do a lot of hard work and do not get paid enough. Mostly they don’t get paid enough to put up with the kids crap and they always get your curriculums changed.
I completely agree, it is disgusting how much doctors and nurses get paid in the U.K. our government should be ashamed of themselves
Oh I’ve seen doctors go „It’s 5pm cya”
Same thing with engineers, especially here in Canada...
Agree 100% as a Canadian, British doctors are the most overworked and underpaid and undervalued compared to their Canadian counterparts. I take my hats off to the british medical professionals. My dad was in a hospital.in the uk, we were blown away by everyone who treated him. The expertise but also the care and compassion
In Wales, we just spent 33 million pound on reducing the speed limit from 30 to 20 but we can't afford to pay health care professionals fairly. The system is beyond damaged.
It's maddening that the NHS is one of the best public healthcare providers in the world in terms of what the doctors and nurses provide, and yet the NHS salaries are as low as they are for so many of our healthcare professionals! Not to mention the underappreciated cleaners!
I've got a cousin who's a GP she has a nice house, decent bank BUT she's worked hard saving and money management her whole life. Doctors in the US make more than some other countries, but I respect the ones who have seen things others can't imagine
Factor in the debt incurred from so many years at university, that's a big hit.
It gets better with time, but i do think GPs are overvalued and hospital staff undervalued. Performance based wages would be a shock to the system.
Absolutely, and all health professionals. My colleague as a then student midwife on a 13 hour night shift, her job was to carry the corpse of a stillborn baby back and forth the fridge and the grieving mother all night.
As a student dietitian I was spat at, sworn at, pissed on, was involved in multiple emergencies, had to tell cancer patients that their type of malnutrition was irreversible, and more.
Graduate salary 27k, ceiling after years 45k before moving into management. People literally earn more stacking shelves.
I’m now a lecturer in the same (still only on 38k) training future health professionals. I love the science but I make no attempt to hide reality. We have to speak out.
i would like to say thank you to all healthcare and emergency service people for your service.
I've always said doctors deserve more
Absolutely, people are assholes and treat doctors and nurses like shit, meanwhile these healthcare professionals are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES. But I’ll get paid almost half a mil a year to pull oil out of the ground in Canada which don’t get me wrong me the boys work hard and put in time but this shows how much the world we live in puts a price tag on things THEY care about.
And the local GP is on 6 figures on average .. and you can't get an appointment since Wu-flu, despite there still being waiting rooms with 50 empty chairs in them....
I agree with you, and EMS professionals also deserve more! We stay late, work nights, and see horrific things even before patients make it to a hospital. And yet, many EMTs and paramedics make minimum wage.
In our country doctors study 9-10 years and after that... have minimum wage or near of this.
30k? Life in England must be very expensive then, because that would be 15 times the minimum wage out here.
In southern West Virginia as a paramedic during the worst of the OD crisis I made minimum wage 7.25 a hour.
I have a lot of respect for doctors and nurses because they go there a lot in their job
As a misantropic empath I could never ever see myself as a doctor.
Always told that should be the most valued and rewarding profession. And respected.
I appreciate what y'all do. Thank you
£30,000 a year isn't a bad starting salary if you're working 40 hours a week with weekends & get decent holidays. It's a slap in the face if you're doing shift work though, especially after 6 years of expensive training that you've paid for.
This is why I switched majors. I was in my last year but something happened to both of my parents health-wise (different things but at the same time). And I realized they aren't getting younger. I volunteered in nursing homes previously and witnessed the lack of care in them either from workers not caring, exhaustion, or spread too thin. I was already care-giving for my 94-year old grandma. But the situation made me realize that my parents would soon need my care as well. And I can't do that if I work 18 hour days. Fortunately for me, I minored in another subject so I was able to switch majors and still finish in a decent amount of time from where I left off basically. I still use my knowledge, and I'm grateful for what I know. I will just be using it differently now. And I can get a decent pay for my work with opportunities to go home every night, see my family, and sleep.
It's the moving around that's killing me. Nearly 40 and I've still got another 2yrs of moving hospitals (beyond commutable distance) before I can settle down. Each move is expensive and exhausting and we get 1days leave only.
For the love of God there needs to be laws that cap or reduce executive salaries because that’s really where all the big money is goin
£30k isn't good for a job with that much responsibility, I believe it should be doubled, especially for those working in inner cities.
I would also double nurses pay too.
I was a courier for a few years and delivered pharmacuticals and surgery hardware to hospitals and was making 100K$ a year with alot less stress
As a porter we saw horrific things, death, trauma, dealing with the family of the dead/dying, paediatric deaths, prep for mortuary, supplying urgent blood/gas etc. UK AFC band 2....
I wouldn't mind paying hospital bills if I didn't get jerked around so much on the price of an aspirin
I live in Canada and I remember at the start of Covid the health care workers were taking strikes and saying they’d move to the USA, my doctor said he doesn’t agree with for profit health care and that he’d never leave Canada, I don’t like Canada as a country right now but I respect the hell outta my doctor. Had same one since I was like 6.
Junior resident doctors are real backbone of medical system.