The Fate Servant Chronology
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2021
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Edit: To everyone letting me know that the Ramayana came first, thank you. You are correct. I made the mistake of putting the date the Ramayana was written over the date it was set, so canonically, Rama is older than the Mahabharata. A big part of the joy of making a video like this is learning more, so please do not be afraid to correct me.
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Scathach technically isn't even dead - the only reason she can even be summoned is because of the whole "humanity's incineration exists in the future" thing. Basically as long as the apocalypse is set to happen she can show up, but otherwise she can't.
so scathach fans, remember that your waifu literally only shows up when we're all fucking doomed
Scathach fans will frick the world up to summon Scathach
@@fujineetomori everything for shishou
that was supposed to be the justification for "limited" servants, there's a reason why they're not in the main summoning pool :o
For those who are wondering where merlin is. He is technically not dead he just stuck in his tower.
Isn't it just his body though?.If I remember correctly he can still Astral project himself anywhere or talk to people in their dreams
@@joshuabaatjes1001 Yes that is true Merlin's Independent Manifestation skill lets him astral project to the outside world, which is how he appears as a Servant in this game. Other than that he is unable to leave or die until the end of the world (which will apparently never happen in any timeline)
@@sonic30655 except notes but by then the throne of heroes are destroyed and types are dying left and right
@@renown35nuke70 Huh? The Throne of Heroes isn't destroyed in Notes.
@@sonic30655 except when Goetia was right about to do it
Nasu said that EMIYA formed a contract with the world from his late twenties to early thirties, so... you do the math XD
Basically 2018-24 considereing Shirou was 17 when FS/N takes place which is 2004/2005. Yeah, so, there could possibly be a Shirou existing rn who is making a contract with Alaya.
He makes the contract then but he dies sometime after 30 since he can summon UBW and Rin estimates Shirou would be able to summon UBW after 10 years of training
@@soarel325 That's for HF Shirou. Nasu said that for Fate Shirou to use UBW he would take ten years to master the basics, another ten years to become proficient at it. Nasu also said that EMIYA comes from a world similar to the Fate route.
@@keiken8263 am waiting for a nuclear fallout and be on a look out for a tanned japanese man
@@anadaere6861 just live in Middle East bro. Like Emiya did
Is no one gonna mention the smol Astolfo in his shoulder? Poor man was held gunpoint this whole time
Precious Beanstolfo
When DW decide to add Charlemagne you'll need to put him as the last servant. He was only added to the throne after the events of Extella/Link and couldn't be summoned by the grail outside of the moon-cell before it.
Lancelot, one of the original fan fiction OCs
he walked so y/n could run
Yes and no, interestingly. Lancelot was an original character in his own original story, created by Chretien de Trois, the same author who also, more or less, adapted both Lancelot and Tristan into his version, the Arthurian Romance.
as german whose basically grew up with the nibelungensaga and siegfried. Sigibert the first is not commonly considered the historical person the myth is based on anymore.
Sigibert of cologne however is more often cited to be inspiration since he met the same fate as siegfried.
However while historically speaking siegfried and sigurd most likely were about the same person, considering sigurd is part of the norse myth, the inspirations also likely were different.
But i understand that for the sake of having a date at all you had to chose someone.
Additionally, in the nibelungensaga while brynhild is responsible for his death she does not kill siegfried himself.
also brynhilde wasn't the one married to attila the hun, it was kriemhild.
Siegfried's vengeful wife is Kriemhild. Brynhild is her own person in the nibelungensaga and is the wife of his friend Hagen.
Thank you for letting me know!
In extella we also had charlemagne as the french symbol and another as a german one
Since his empire is marked as the birth of both countries, but we could also call his succession as the actual birth since a son got france(west frankia) and another germany (east frankia). Also lotharingia between those 2 kingdoms for the 3rd son
@@GarkKahn I think it would be far more accurate to say that Rex Magnus is the aspect of him being the founder of europe. Rather than germany specifically, even if he played a big role in defining modern day german territory.
"Van Gogh" is Clytie using Vincent van Gogh's Saint Graph. Vincent was never really a part of it; Clytie was just given all of the powers he'd have if summoned as a Foreigner, then forcibly summoned to do Elder God shenanigans.
Vince himself should be summonable as a weakish Caster with Foreigner elements.
Also, the Valkyrie trio ARE based on real Valkyries, but they're obscure ones that we don't know anything about.
Yeah i wonder if they're 3 valkyries or if they represent all of them (except for brynhild)
Thrud and Hildr are based on historical valkyries; Ortlinde is from the opera Die Walküre by Wagner. Thrud may also be the daughter of Thor and Sif, or they may just share a name.
Not sure why the real Van Gogh would be weak seeing as he'd get a pretty huge fame boost
@@soarel325 Because he's not suited for battle. Shakespeare and Anderson are extremely famous, but are almost useless as Servants because they have neither experience nor fame of fighting.
@@soarel325 Likely due to being a modern heroic spirit and having little Mystery. The Foreigner aspect would likely help with both, but neither are intrinsic to van Gogh himself.
Compare him to someone like Shakespeare or da Vinci, who have more fame, more age, and more Mystery; he'd definitely be on the weaker end of heroic spirits. Even compared to Tesla, who is a younger heroic spirit, van Gogh likely has less fame and Mystery.
I love how Fate makes people historian and mythologist.
Sherlock actually survived his confrontation with Moriarty, so there death dates being the same is wrong. Also Voyager 1 is expected to continue functioning until 2025.
Okay, like 30 seconds in, but isn't Quetz technically the oldest since she is literally an alien that arrived on the meteor that killed the dinosaurs?
Edit: never mind I get it
In fate lore, Ea (god of Mesopotamia, don't mistake with Gilgamesh's sword) is the one who turned the world from a magma place to a ocean place like now so he is about 3.7 billion years old (Fate/Extella). Also in fate lore, the battle of the gods with Tiamat happened in the Jurassic era so the Mesopotamian gods should be the oldest in fate. It is also noted by Nasu in an interview that the word "gods" derived from Mesopotamia as it is the first civilization of the planet.
Aside from that, the Greek gods came to Earth somewhere in 12000 BCE and they are from an apocalyptic universe so they could be much older.
See, that's a tricky point, Because this seems to be flipflopping between using date of origin, date of addition to literature, and date of death. We have no way of knowing when she got added to the throne. Divine spirits are weird, because they don't seem to need to have died to be on the throne.
@@KaosFireMaker I mean not even Divine Spirits. Like Merlin is still chilling up in his tower as far as I'm aware right?
@@anrijsc1037 Yeah, but at least with him, the loop hole is explained. With divine spirits it's left ambiguous. Is the rest of their existence still sitting in the reverse of the world? Who knows?
Regarding Lu Bu and Red Hare, it was always my impression the horse died after his Master because there were some stories about him being passed from Warlord to Warlord as a "gift" but then the Warlord finding him completely untameable.
Well, Red Hare was given to Guang Yu by Cao Cao after Lu Bu died. When Guang Yu died the horse starve to death refusing to eat. Although this could be false because Luo Guanzhong (the writer of Romance ofThree Kingdoms)
liked adding fictional details to his book.
solomon technically is right after david's era right, the same time as the era of caster of midrash, since they met in the Bible
When you consider though that Solomon is David's son... Yes "technically"is correct. Lol
Gawain killed himself out of grief after Guinevere was rescued from her execution by Lancelot. Bricked himself into his own tomb just in time to not fight in the battle of Camlann. (The source of that is T. H. White's Once and Future King, which in respect to the rest of the legend is a modern retelling).
As for Percival, he would ascend to heaven with his best bro, Galahad, after agreeing to return the Grail to the Lord when they discovered the grail's resting place.
The fate version of Gawain is the version that dies at Camlann most likely because I believe he references Camlann in FGO and in Extra. I've never heard of that version of Gawain who dies out of grief because Guinevere is saved. It's just interesting how stories change.
@@frogdoin oohhh, I just realized a mistake I put accidentally.
So the long version explanation of his death is after having lost all of his siblings, except Mordred, Guinevere was to be executed for her crime against her husband, the king. When Lancelot rescued her, he did so by killing the executioner as well as most of the guards, who were all under Gawain's command. King Arthur, Gawain, Bors, and Kay would pursue him, but also get called away to Rome before they could lay siege to Lancelot's castle in France, thus the only knight in Camelot left was Mordred, who then began his rebellion by taking control of Camelot. It was only then before the battle after the king and his company returned that Gawain entombed himself. It's true that Gawain detested Mordred, but with the loss of his other siblings, and the men Lancelot killed who trusted him with their lives, he couldn't support his king in the new campaign to put down the rebellion and Mordred, his half brother and fellow knight, and thus died when his king practically asked too much of him.
So it wasn't necessarily the failure of essentially protecting the site of execution that drive Gawain into it, but it was a contributing factor.
@@Nurple17 I think the Arthurian legend has a lot of variant, Gawain might also be killed by Lancelot or Injured and died on his bed. I mean Arthurian legend was just a fanfiction after all. Kinda like warhammer 40k
I believe Ushiwakamaru killed Tomoe Gozen's husband during the Genpei war. Some legends said she died in war and other said she survived and marry another man.
Yeah i don't know much about that but at least her brother's army did it
I don't know if ushi was part of the actual army that killed him but at least she was from that faction
Actually, the version of Ushiwakamaru we know in the fate universe is actually a genderbent depiction of the real life hero.
In this video, I learn that history is way shorter than I thought and many of them either die before or after when I thought they died
Same
Our present perception of history is kinda messed up because modern technology has advanced so quickly. We went from the printing press in around 1500AD to the internet now in around 500 years. Yet the Roman empire lasted around the same amount of time.
@@frogdoin i think it's less about the advance of technology and more about how history is actually taught. Everything in history classes seem more like full separated events than connected ones. History is taught as a bunch of one-time things that you have to memorize to tests and that's it.
Even now I get surprised to know that people highly influential on WWI were actually born few decades after Napoleon Death.
23:22 Beni-Enma is also partially fused with the Buddhist interpretation of the death god Yama. The whole cutting off deceitful tongues is a thing Japanese parents said to scare children into honesty, like "oh yeah if you lie yama cuts off your tongue". Almost to the extent of Hessian Lobo which is also a fusion of two local and not well known myths.
Anyway, Yama first appeared in the Mahabharata.
For Edmond,
For extra context, The Count of Monte Christo was written in a “modern” setting by Alexandre Dumas. This is referenced in Fate/Strange Fake.
Captain Nemo canonically dies in the book “The Mysterious Island”. Not “20 000 Leagues under the seas”. That book was his debut.
Other than that, really well researched. You earned yourself a sub.
Well, strange Fake also confirms that Edmond coexisted with Dumas, so they would be on the same time period.
Oh so the mysterious island is actually a book too huh. i thought journey 2 is just a title sequel and isnt based on anything to milk the journey to the center of the earth movie.
@@jaredatanacio7375 It was. The mysterious Island was a relatively normal island that a bunch of settlers landed at and colonised.
The movie just used a remotely related book title to make people think that Jules Verne somehow gave the movie his blessing from beyond the grave.
The thing with Van Gogh’s sister was just a fan theory that ran while
5:10 Well, we know Sheba interacted with King Solomon, and Solomon wasn’t king until after David, so that should make it clear that Sheba died after David did.
5:57 chronologically Ramayan happened way before Mahabharata, so Rama is older than Karna, Arjuna etc
Ya right? I was confused when he said arjuna came before rama
Maybe what he mean is the story of Ramayana being written in that period?.
Technically Nemo died in the book The Mysterious Island, not 20,000 Leagues.
It's good that Twitter users dont play the game, wonder how they react when they make like 3 Indian guys white.
@@minhtran7431 Good thing Fate's fanbase was established in the early 2000s
Damn nearly none of these guys died a peaceful death
The Van Goth thing comes up not in the materials, but in the actual event where she gets introduced.
When it comes down to all we know about EMIYA’s time of death was that he was at a minimum 37 years old in 2024 (hey maybe the war EMIYA was accursed of orchestrating was the Russia invasion) taking into account the 20 years needed for him to master the basic of his magic and the foundation of UBW and that he was 17 in 2004 when 5th grail war occurred and if we take in to consideration That EMIYA in the UBW anime adaptation of his execution he looks the same as his servant self meaning he at most lived only a few years past the age of 37 possibly dying after just having his 40th birthday in 2027 or if I reach he at most lived to 2030 and the age of 43.
Alright technically speaking, Ramayana took place first than Mahabharata, as Krishna, one of the gods responsible for Mahabharata remembered his life as Rama which he has many times mentioned in his own legend and in Mahabharat.
Been looking for a video like this! Thanks, Klidge
Fun fact, the grail wars are as old as the Sengoku period and Ivan (Ivan was the one who actually chased out Zouken) so when Nobu was alive the grail war could have happened
(technically speaking we don't know the date and its paradoxical with the grail war happening every 60 years if the 4th war was in 1994) but hey that's probably a case of bad writing
fate/redline
Curious why you didn’t include Servants who don’t appear in FGO.
Some additional commentary:
I’m fairly sure the Ulster Cycle occurs earlier in Nasuverse on account of it being explicitly confirmed Age of Gods, and the fact that by the 1st century BC, all the pagan gods were dead already in this setting.
The Robin Hood featured in Extra and FGO is explicitly the one who (in legend) fought against King John Lackland, so he would have died at some point prior to 1216 AD, not 1247 AD. In Extra it is stated there were actually multiple individuals who shared the title and characteristics of Robin Hood living at different times, with the ginger Archer being just one of them. Interestingly enough in Strange Fake, one of Richard’s sub-Servants is another Robin Hood (Robin of Loxley), implying that there were actually two separate Robin Hoods alive at the same time who fought John Lackland. That or they may actually be the same man, but I’m not sure.
About the Brynhild/Atilla thing - this actually did get worked into her lore in a very, very stupid way. That is, Nasu had it so the Valkyries are actually copies of the alien superweapon who Altera is based on…yeah. It’s really, really dumb.
Elves in British Isles folklore and fairies are the same thing. Or rather, elves are a type of fairy. So Oberon’s still a fairy.
Much like Robin Hood, there are multiple Jack the Rippers in the Nasuverse, the ghost girl is just one of them.
The Hassans were the successors of the original Hassan-i-Sabbah throughout the period in which the Assassins existed. The real organization was destroyed in 1275 so Cursed Arm would probably either have to have been the second-to-last leader before Hundred Faces (who we know was the final Hassan), or the Assassins existed for a longer amount of time in the Nasuverse than in reality.
The real-world Kojiro died in 1612 but the Fate version wasn’t actually that guy, rather a farmer who shared all the skills of Kojiro, so we aren’t sure when he actually died.
Goethe’s Faust was written in 1808 but the legend is much older, with the demon Faust makes a deal with being named as Mephistopheles all the way back in the 1500s.
The Iri in FGO isn’t the one from Prisma Illya, she’s the one from Zero. So shot dead in 1994.
I’m fairly sure Archer’s death occurs some time around the late 2010s given that at one point he’s said to be at least 30 years old.
Oh, and nice Beanstolfo on your shoulder btw.
Extra's Robin Hood is not the one who fights John. He was just mentioned in the bio because the forest is the same. The Robin Hood who fought John was probably Richard's Robin Hood, which is not the same, and he's theorised to be Robin of Loxely.
More stuff (I hate answering on phone):
The multiple Jacks are kind of different in the sense that all of the "closest candidates" (which Apocrypha Jack si part of) may or may not've actually killed in life. Just one of them is the real culprit... But we don't know which, nor if he's even in the list at all.
According to Fate lore (which uses actual studies on the matter), the figure "Sasaki Kojiro" that is described as rival of Musashi never actually existed, and the anecdotes about him are a collection of tales attributed to different people, so he's technically a completely fictional entity. "Our" Kojiro is a random farmer that he by chance replicated one those anecdotes and would be "the perfect fit".
@@saxor96 Why is the forest mentioned if he’s not the one who fought John? Loxley is explicitly the one that fought John in the stories about Loxely (there's a reason he's linked to Richard)
@@saxor96 On the topic of Sasaki that’s what I was saying, F/SN Assassin isn’t actually the historical figure of Kojiro.
@@soarel325
"In the distant past, it was the forest said to be the place where a famous chivalrous thief fought against the tyrant John, Richard the Lionheart's younger brother and ruler in absentia while Richard was away on the Crusades. *It is also a forest that, according to Druid beliefs, is where fairies dwell.*"
It was mentioned because Robin, the son of druids, was born in that forest *as well*. In fact, Extra's Robin Hood explicit bio never mentions John, he just fought for a village and the village betrayed him in the end.
"sai"
damn you did sei dirty
I like how Ganesha is the Alpha and the Omega.
Love the vid, really intresting!
Thanks man, I need this
This was a fun, unique idea. Well made, too.
Now I can say I just learned the history of many people in just 28 mins
Since August 2012 was when Voyager 1 entered interstellar space and it and its sibling haven't yet stopped sending some data back Voyager ain't joining throne for a few more years (when battery's are dead and nothing can be sent back) despite common reporting.
Awesome video!
Curious as to why so many of these people died in May. Is May just a cursed month
Your video is amazing friend! Though, I don't know if anyone pointed this out, so I'll say it anyways. But Red Hare didn't die before Lu Bu. I get that it's Lu Bu's horse, but he died at the hands of Cao Cao before Chen Gong(who also died at the hands of Cao Cao). Cao Cao was so imprssed with the horse he decided to keep for himself.
Sometime later, the battle brother of Liu Bei, the legendary Guan Yu, was captured by Cao Cao. The latter indulged the former in many treats but he still stayed loyal and didn't switch sides. Cao Cao admired Guan Yu's loyalty to Liu Bei, so he gave Red Hare to Guan Yu as a gift to ride back to Liu Bei.
The horse likely perished alongside it's new master around 220 CE when Guan Yu and his son had to fight against the combine forces of Sun Quan and Cao Cao.
There was really nothing else we know about Red Hard than it is used by Lu Bu. The other details was made up by the writer of Romance of Three Kingdoms, but who know, DW like to add misconceptions and myth so they have sommething to writer in those servants' bios.
5:57 Ramayana take place 7000+ years ago according to Hindu scriptures making it older than Mahabharata
Its according to nasu lore i think
@@dermicool2011 Fate lore really doesn’t speak on the chronology of the Ramayana
Great stuff man, THIS is the real timeline
Love this!
According to findings from his era, we don't actually know if Ozymandias, aka Ramses II, actually was the pharaoh depicted as Moses' brother in the bible. It is commonly assumed that he was, because the birth of Semitism it's in contemporary with the dynasty he was part of.
However, to historians, Ozymandias was a well known vandal for being a Pharaoh. To summarize, in ancient Egypt, a person's name is shown in a cartridge bullet shaped symbol called a cartouche and these would symbolize a person's property, deeds, and titles, if any. If you were a Pharaoh, your cartouche is actually also your royal seal and is the ultimate symbol of your authority.
Ozymandias would actually scrape away the original cartouche away and add his own in its place. We know this because of the sheer number of artifacts recovered, dated before his time, bearing his particular seal. There were a few cases where bits of the original cartouche were recovered, showing tool markings consistent with this kind of act. It's estimated that he singlehandedly defaced the legacies of older dynasties of Pharaohs going back at least 1000 years. Because of him, we hardly know of the names of other Pharaohs and their achievements.
Fun fact, this repossession of legacy is actually a character representation of fate characters that have the skill "imperial privilege", which is attributed to such characters, such as Nero.
Moses might not even exist but he exist in Nasuverse so *shrug*
@@minhtran7431 lol! True, true
Thank you I did not know that about Ozy
@@hexbug9737 you're welcome!
Damn that’s a douche move!
Chacha died on my birthday? Now I'm sad.
Bruh i was shocked when you said that Percevals spear is the one that pierced Jesus, it was very interesting
Longinus, I think?
Isn't that Longinus?
Good video👍 23:48 but actually Sherlock didn't died in Reichenbach falls with Moriarty, he faked his death
Can't wait for the alter video
Love this
This madman actually done it…explaining Fate timeline
I don't think Saber Alter is a separate personality from Saber. Rather it's the side of her that is ruthlessly utilitarian and uncompromising. It's unclear how seriously we're supposed to take Hollow Ataraxia, but if that's to be believed, she could have 'become' Saber Alter at any time.
Hollow Ataraxia is (Spoilers)
Quite literally a fever dream, one had by Bazett while she's in the hospital after being found in Kirei's basement once the Holy Grail War is over.
While the dream definitely has some sort of feedback to the Throne asAngra knows Caren; plus Cú, EMIYA, and Muramasa seem to have some extremely vague memories of it. Given Amor recalls events from that due to Caren, we can presume it may have been something like a pocket world with different rules.
That said, due to how the Throne works, Alter Servants *are* effectively different personalities, especially if they manifest in the same Class as another version of the Servant.
In order for a Servant to have multiple manifestations in the same class, there has to be significant enough differences in them to avoid being registered under a single instance.
In this case, the Grail Mud that created Saber Alter is quite literally 'corruption,' while it may have been based off of Saber's repressed personality traits, the mud created enough if a difference that calling them a "separate personality" is quite accurate.
@@alchemysaga3745 I thought it was something akin to a reality marble that Angra Mainly created so he could be the main character. And that granting Bazett's wish was the method by which this was accomplished. It's only a fairly small part of the narrative that's dedicated to Bazett. So it stands to reason that the things Avenger draws from to create this false reality would have a basis in the real world.
@@alchemysaga3745 hollow ataraxia is (MAJOR SPOILERS)
a fate game
Koyanskaya and Tamamo had different year of death.
Koyanskaya was killed by a guy that throws a fishing rod as an NP.
The ulster cycle took place in the later of the first century bc, in one of cu chulainns interludes explain that
Since you didn't include this Zhuge Liang: 234 October 8, 234 AD.
He did. Granted it goes by pretty fast, but still. 26:25
@@bandoneple3217 Odd Taiga as Jaguar man was before present day while Waver is.
...If there is _anything_ that's completely accurate and relatable, it's someone making a video to establish even the most basic, barebones timeline for the Fate series characters, and at some point basically just saying something like;
-
*"...Look-*
_I didn't get this shit at first, so I read a lot of stuff to try to figure it out, and I_ *STILL* _don't get it._
So, now I'm just listing off the numbers I found. Alright? Alright."_
11:41 what if there a event we’re they merge in to make Sigebert we’re can use both of versus abilities and lore that would be OP lol
11:54 geez Altera sure like taking the Seigs wive huh
I know now this video is old but now that its is confirmed noah and nemo are a fused heroic spirit I would love to see where noah fits in the timeline as thats no a easy task to pin point a date for him. (Note: Just started fate a couple weeks ago love your vids)
I can actually give an answer to that! He’d be before Gilgamesh. Mesopotamia had a legend identical to Noah about a man named Utnapishtim who Gilgamesh meets while searching for immortality
about red hare, romance of three kingdoms (even if It's not most reliable source) states that red hare lived much longer than Lu Bu and was gifted by Cao Cao to Guan Yu, it also said that after Guan Yu was captured and executed red hare refused to eat and died soon after, so he supposedly lived until year 220
that's fictional
@@minhtran7431 yeah I know, but in terms of fate universe might be canonical, so it's just a fun fact (kinda)
@@minhtran7431 so is probably anything else about Red Hare other than "Lu Bu had a fancy red horse"
@@noukan42 I mean it just a horse that Lu bu ride, I dont think people really mind about recording any information about it after Lu Bu died.
I was curios about a think , aside for FGO , how the og manager to summon a servant in the future and as i reecall we never got this situations ever again happen , i mean in the past holy wars do people jsut summon people from the future ?
My favorite legend about the Arthurian myth is that all the knights of the round table were girls, and they were part of King Artoria's yuri harem.
Nice
What
I know 0 of that story, but I bet you are lying
Objection in the legend fionn isn't dead but will return the hunting horn of his heoup is blown in irelands hour of need
Hekuo i meant to say group
But like could you do a video on researching how far back in Ireland's history did they actually start making the first wooden Hut just cuz now since you mentioned it I'm interested
Alright I won’t do a video but I got curious and found the answer. It would have appeared sometime between 3500 BCE because there are stone foundations that are believed to have been used to hold timber’s for huts. Given that banshees are a combination of cautionary tales and the sound made of wind passing through timber’s, Fairy Knight Tristan is older than Gilgamesh
@@klidge all right man that earned you a sub I might not watch every video but that definitely earned a sub
writing their names on screen would be good decision
If you do make a video about alters, font forget to mention the ones from Kaleid
Are we not including the invisible man part of Hessian lobo ( also thank God you chose just fgo servants if you did the full fate series this would be a multipart service for sure)
18:51 scared th shit out of ms
My only complaint is that Tomoe and Ushi should probably be closer together (though it may just be because of how many were between them) since Ushi is actually the one who killed Yoshinaka, Tomoe’s husband, which is what caused the lineage excitation.
I was surprised that some of these heroic spirits were real or in real stories tbh I knew a few of heroic spirits like nemo and ivan but their were some that were curious to me like most of the knights of the round table and Chevalier d'Éon and my mind has been blown
The knights of the round table are mostly made up, or at least heavily mythologized. Some of them have historical basis or, more often, historical inspiration, but some are very likely entirely fictitious. Even Arthur's historicity is still uncertain.
It's important to note that most of the Arthurian legends were first recorded 600-800 years after the events are reported to have taken place.
Slight update with red hare. Red hare technically died after Guan Yu died
gotcha, so after 220. thank you for letting me know!
@@klidge no problem
That's fictional. Though DW like to add fictional details and misconception so they have sth to write in their bio
@@klidge and ramayan happened before Mahabharat 💀
Subbed 😊
Technically Dioscuri is older because their room dialogue states that they were an originally ancient divinity that was eventually merged into the Greek pantheon but ai understand that isn’t the purpose of the video as it is their age in our world not fate world
I think Red Hare died after Lu Bu and Chen Gong, since he was gifted to Guan Yu after the Battle of Xia Pi... or did it happen on the novel only?
Novel only
Circe should appear before Asterius as Asterius is her nephew from her sister Pasiphaë
I was kinda curios what servant is the olders and as recent one in history , tks for this vid
So it all start with Sakura and ends with BB XD
Very informative video. Now i can tell my mom that I'm actually studying.
On a side note, how about you make a video about servants birthplace
Damn that's a timeline.
You missed out on Pale Rider who first appeared in the final book of the Bible, Revelations, which is agreed to have been written in 95-96 CE. Or you could stick it at the very end of the chronology as it's one of the 4 Horseman of the Christian Apocalypse
You know I'm wondering how come when these religions where made, how many of them like to have end of the world scenarios🤔. Like did everyone back then want to watch the world burn or did they have an active imagination and decided that yeah the world's going to end but let's see how epic I can make it seem. A few examples is Norse Ragnarok and like you said Christian Apocalypse
@@cesarsalazar8618 Very good question. One in which I don't think anyone has the answer to lmao
5:18 Sheba died after David in biblical Canon, as she was alive while Solomon was king, and Solomon only ascended to the throne after David's death
Not Counting Solomon/Romani is bad civ
Edit: I've been told that Rama comes before Karna, Arjuna and Ash. As he's the 7th Avatar of Vishnu and Krishna (who took part in the war with Karna, Arjuna and Ash) was the 8th
So...saber Shiki. The single oldest being in the universe isn't the first on the list?
Also, Quetz is WAY older than you suggested, because she came to Earth on the meteorite that killed the dinosaurs.
Bruh, fate lore isn't real lore
Nice
Didnt medea kill her children, jasons new bride and then herself? (Around 04:00)
I just got confused with Arash , isn't he one of the oldest characters in Zoroastrianism then in fate it says he served king Manuchehr the last king of age of gods, but then he is father of partian empire.
God he is confusing.
yeah he's pretty weird. I tried tracing him back to the supposed war that he ended and that was somewhere around the 900~1000 AD era but so little information is available on him in english that he is difficult to research. Love the dude in fate tho
@@klidge I know exactly what you mean even in persian the information about him is not that much.
The oldest characters that people believe to be Arash kamangir in Zoroastrianism is Arakhshe he is also called Erakhshe and saves Iran by the power of the bow. But Zoroastrians say that after Alexander conquest of persian many books had burned and they had to remake everything.
Then there is the Parthian empire and people believe that Ashk the first parthian king was Arash kamangir given that Parthian people were archers and Arash is called the great father of Parthian empire which would put him around 247 BC.
Many people think arash tale of sacrifice come from shahnāmeh yeah his name is in shahnāmeh but his character isn't in the story what we get about him in shahnāmeh is that he is the great father of partian king also Bahram chubin. Now Shahnāmeh is written around 1000AC but the thing about those parts is that these part that Arash name is in them are what we call historical part of shahnāme which is basically exaggerated history.
We also know based on record that persian people celebrated tirgan way before shahnāmeh too.
Anyways sorry for my long comment I am a arash fan boy by the way your video was great I can't imagine how you must have worked on it.
Yeah
I also read somewhere that he died fighting the turks so he could easily be older than alexander the great or be from the middle ages
And that's... quite the gap if you're wondering
@@GarkKahn yeah but also some believe that the Arash orgin comes from persian and Indian people separation since arash is similar to that one legend were an Indian god sacrifice himself to take back heavens from asuras but I am not sure about it, so I don't talk about that legend but If that would be the case it shows how fascinating history is.
Not exactly, he's from the parthian era
If you go with the stories lubu died before redhare, because late guanyu got redhare after lus death
I'm confused? Didn't ramayana happen before Mahabharata. So I mean rama was born before arjuna and karna right?
15:05 Oh so I just assumed the Hassan was a lot older than they really are
Red Hare died after Lu Bu and Chen Gong as Guan Yu rode him after Lu Bu's death.
HOT WHEEELLSS!!!
24:34 I kinda feel mix that my servant wife death on my birthday
wait whyd he call henri a piece of shit wasnt he just a normal ass executor just doing his job
I wanna know what's your source?
Edit - cuz as much as I know Ramayana take place way before Mahabharata
My main source was the studies of a historian named Robert P. Goldman. I made the mistake in the video of putting the date when the Ramayana was written, rather than when it was actually set. It was written in the 7th-6th Century BCE but was set during the Treta Yuga which did happen a substantial time before the Mahabharata.
@@klidge yama is Kama
(I'm not sure about this^^)
Yama is technically the father of Yudhishthira (Arjuna' elder brother and younger brother of karna)
So I think yama should be Before karna
Xuanzang: Died after successfully traveling getting lost
Mans REAAAALLY did not want to make this video. I felt i was being punished for watching it, like damn chill bruh
U forgot kay in the arthorian legend
But didn't red hare got passed to guan Yu that died way later?
Also guan Yu when DW?
So from what I can find and what others are telling me yes he did technically out live lu bu. However this is also according to a single source, but I’m willing to take the L on it. Also yes we need Guan Yu as a lancer like now
6:23 Alexander the great! His name struck fear into hearts of man Alexander the great! He died of fever in Babylon~
Voyager is still active.
i've gotta be so fucking stupid.... i didn't know eliz and camila were the same person. something might have been mentioned to me before but i guess i just shuned it from my memories
Well thats something I never expected to read
7:19 Random one frame Salome? Okay lol
You can fix Tamamo no Mae now since she broke free from her prison this year
21:00 wait a minute my birthday is on Charlotte Corday’s death 😧