Trivia: According to Da Vinci, Atalante Alter is not really an alter. Her reasoning is this: The personality of an Alter Servant is based of personality traits present in the living version of the Heroic Spirit, but never manifested outwards nor acted upon (discarded ideas or desires, so to speak). However, Atalante "Alter"'s personality and trauma were born while she was a Servant, so they weren't ever present while she was alive. In fact, her most driving force is the trauma she experienced during Apocrypha. So the Alter in Atalante is just flavour text.
Comes from the use of her Agrius Metamorphosis, which merges her with the pelt if the Calydonian Boar...Theoretically, if you could remove the pelt, she would just revert back to the Archer form.
@@daboi6509 Jeanne Alter is an "impossible what-if". The idea of her succumbing to despair and hatred is outright impossible, so Jeanne "Alter" was fabricated from scratch. In Atalante's case, the emotions she has are possible, but they were never close to happening in life. They were born from a traumatic experience in Apocrypha. Since it's not a thought she held during her lifetime, but as a Servant, she's not a real Alter.
Two small nitpick about Arjuna Alter. 1 The one you summon is actually a Lily Servant. 2 He didn't absorb all the gods to gain more power, just because. In the cutscenes you end up understanding that, he wanted that power to stop something like the war that took his family, in the Mahabarata, from happening again. Problem is, he ended up losing his way.
I remember in Carnival Phantasm that Saber chooses to remove her ahoge herself and promptly changes into Salter, only changing back from shame/wholesomeness when seeing Shirou. That series was my first encounter with memes before I could scroll the internet freely.
I don't think it's ever been verified, but I believe Cu Alter's appearance is at least partly based on Cu's riastrad/warp-spasm ability from legend. He'd turn into a berserking hideous monster with inverted legs, a gaping mouth you could see his organs inside, his hair became massive spikes, etc.
Kind of, but I'm pretty sure I remember either Caster or Lancer cu mentioning that Cu Alter is still weaker and much less feral than actual Berserker Cu, which is locked in Warps Spasm mode. So, while Cu Alter has some characteristcs of the Warp Spasm, ultimately it's a very different beast (Pun Intended)
On Emiya-Alter, this version of Emiya was summoned to stop Kiara and her cult. A lot of the backstory of Emiya-Alter is unknown but Kiara and her cult is the main factor to his backstory. Notes: Kiara in Fate/Extra, due to a curse attracted large amounts of cultists who praise her beauty. This allows her to gains cult, wether she wants it or not Emiya-Alter's mind was more broken due to the unshakable loyalty of Kiara's cultists. Murdering a unknown amount of cultists who threw themselves Infront of Kiara. As shown with Shirou, Emiya dispises those who have a unshakable and stubborn mindset. And the cultists, every single one measuring in thousands at least, held the drive to protect Kiara. Basically: Every cultist became a mirror of Shirou that Emiya had to cut down. And at the end, he wasn't even able to kill Kiara, she killed herself as Emiya got to her. Not even granting Emiya the ability to kill her himself, killing so many cultists to not even touch the leader who he was summoned for
@@shinohikari9253 I didn't read the novel on wich the informations came from but apparently Taiga had a kid who was sick. She joined the cult that could heal her kid. When Shirou went on a rampage that's where he killed Taiga but I don't know about her kid.
To elaborate more on this, this is the continuation on one of the bad ending of the f/sn. The superman ending where most of the character dies in hgw including Shirou. This devastated Taiga who have no idea where everyone went. It was not enough to break her as she continues to live a normal life and have a family. However after her husband gone and her son got sick, she desperately clinging into any hopes she was presented. (In this case Kiara cult) Fast forward to Shirou event where he is on a mission to kill Kiara, he met with Taiga. They recognized each other as Shirou shot and kill her. This would be the biggest conscience Shirou would have. + Killing others cult members who are mostly just innocent people finally break him apart.
6:31 Nope that s not what happened at all. Jeanne alter wanted to piss off altria alter by stealing her present bag and giving out all the gifts inside before altria can so altria will be pissed off and all the children who should have got their gift would cry. Also, she asked kid gille for a potion of invisiblity(of course it turn it was the potion of youth) so that it would be a substitute for her lack of presence concealment. It wasn't mentionned to whom jeanne wanted to give the gift but the way she said she was going to hand them out means its probably to anyone but those who re supposed to get them. Edit : after turning into a kid, jeanne alter lily pretty much became a separate entity from her original as she is the one who somehow want to prove she can be a better santa, refere to her grown up counterpart as a separate being and she doesn't even think like the normal jeanne alter.
In addition, she then denounces the title of Santa by the end of her event, as she realized that being Santa wasn't what she actually wanted. This means that by the end of the event, when she is finally a stable Servant, she is just Jeanne Lily from a "what if" timeline where Jeanne saw the sea as a child. You can then take this to another level by having Summer Jeanne as the grown up version of Jeanne Lily, as a natural course of her loving the sea.
what I love about Salter is what her description in-game tells us, that it's not necessarily just an evil alternative, but a personification of something that Arthut always longed to be, a ruthless king
Salter's sword was likely self-named, given her respect towards Morgan and Morgan's outrage over the name. Yes, I spoiled my NA ass to hell and back, why are you asking? About Saber Wars, while it's definitely a gag, it's also canon, because it's the Nasuverse we're talking about, of course it is. Is it really more outlandish than magic girls?
A small correction. The counter force and Gaia arent the same anymore. Sometimes the counter force goals may actually go against Gaias goal and vice versa
Rather, Gaia and Alaya have their own respective Counter Forces. Alaya has its Heroic Spirits and Counter Guardians, while Gaia uses Elementals and some Divine Spirits as agents. Gaia's Counter Force is what prevents the planet from being destroyed by Earth-born creatures, which is part of the reason why Moriarty was able to use the Shinjuku Singularity (an urban metropolis isolated in time) in his plan to prove that he could destroy the world. Enkidu has the ability to tap into both of them when using his Noble Phantasm. These contradicting forces interacting is what makes his Enuma Elish so devastating.
personally i want most alters that explore usually joke characters, like an astolfo alter who was never turned back into a person and is a tree person only able to move when summoned, or even having charlemagne be rex magnus karl alter so we can have both instead of only one
just finished LB4 few days ago Asha crying scene break me... and CE we receive break me even more... at first i was thought it's just her, her's father and dog... but that CE... damn you Arjuna!, you erase girl's entire family!?
Arjuna was a machine at that point, he genuinely wasn't thinking straight. At least he had the decency to clean up everyone's memories when he wiped them.
I finished LB4 a few days ago (I put off progressing thru the story because of events and procrastination) and can't help but see Arjuna alter as a computer or skynet achieved godhood.
It's more that, as he began to take on an increasing amount of Authority, he had to shut down his emotions to be able to cope with all of them. It's not a coincidence that he starts being increasingly emotional as he's losing against Karna.
The highest level of magic and divinity is hyper advanced technology in the fate universe. As you'll see in LB5, but other examples, the moon cell could summon over 255 servants easily, when fuyuki takes hundreds of years for a set of 7. Or the saint graph system in general, saving heroic spirits as data that can develop beyond the usual confines of classes.
because after absorbing all gods he was barely able to manage his humanity, Even Holmes said that it's a surprise that he is able to maintain a physical form
Lalter(The shortened version of Lancer Artoria Alter), is also an incarnation of the Wild Hunt, a group of roaming beasts, hunters, and spirits, that would show up and wreak havoc across the land, and anyone caught in its range would never come back. The Wild Hunt was a way, in older times, to explain Tornados, Hurricanes, and other similar phenomenon.
Marie is in the same situation than jeanne. The one from the event was just an illusion who came from the imagination of eris(the welfare lancer of that event) the the real marie did mention that this alter would be very close from what a real marie alter would be.
I think the most interesting thing about Emiya Alter is that he represents the logical progression of the Heart of Steel bad ending from the original Stay Night visual novel. In the ending Emiya kills Sakura to prevent her from harming more innocents for the sake of living up to his ideals. The reason this is a bad ending is that it would mean abandoning his own personal happiness and humanity to follow the flawed dream that Kiritsugu learned to abandon. For it had ruined him. The fact that Emiya Alter murdered innocents and thus abandoned his humanity and peace of mind for his ideals relays perfectly into one of the most interesting bad ends of the VN. The counter force even corrupts Emiya and causes his memories to fade and become twisted just to maintain the soldier that is Emiya Alter. He is brainwashed to put the Human Order before the happiness of Shirou Emiya as he crumbles for the rest of eternity. His character is a cool callback and thought experiment on the original story. Oh, and to give it even more credibility the skill that cause his brainwashing is called Derisive Heart of Steel.
One thing to add to Cu alter, that i think was a missed opportunity in his creation is that Cu often went berserk in battle (called a "war span" I believe) in the myth his feet bent backwards, one of his eyes popped out of it's socket and streams of blood spewed from his body.
as a fellow Okita Alter enjoyer I really recommend her valentine dialogue, I still have to see it on youtube tough, as she refuse to come to my chaldea.....
Overall great video. Some inaccuracies or outright misrememberings, though. I'd go into detail, but alot of people have already brought them up. Fun fact: Artoria Lancer Alter is NOT evil but Lawful Good. She maintains her alignment, despite becoming a tyrant. Remember, people, Fate alignments aren't the same as Dungeons and Dragons alignments... Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good, afterall.
Okay, so you seem to know a bit about the alignment system in fate. So... What's up with regular Atalante being an evil aligned servant? I don't know if any evil she did in her legend, so I'm confused why she's listed that way.
@@Thekoodie alignment in Fate is much less like D&D's strict system of universal morality, and more how they seem themselves and the things they feel they are. I'm not 100% aware of Atalante's legend, but her evil alignment would put the burden on herself feeling she does evil and so she is.
Boudica Alter is something that Summer 2 joked and foreshadowed about There's also Galahad Alter who appears in the Fate/Requiem Light Novel and of course, Nero Alter, who has been heavily foreshadowed for many years now
@@papaaeon7210 Nero Alter is theorized to be Mother Harlot and possibly the other half of Beast VI it has been hinted for a long time. even all the way back on EXTRA where Gawain calls Nero; the "W**re of babylon" which was one of Mother Harlot's titles (censoring the word cuz idk if YT will take issue with it) There's also that Summer Nero has a skil called "Seven Crowns" which is a dumbed down version of Goetia's skill "Ten Crowns", which is both a reference to the seven headed beast that Mother Harlot rides and the 7 hills of Rome and to top it off, we do know that Nero forcefully fits herself into the Saber class by using her Imperial Privilege, since for some reason she doesn't want to be summoned as a Rider, which seems to be her proper class you can probably find a thread on the r/grandorder subreddit that goes more into it also, to add a bit more to this mess recently it is thought that perhaps Elizabeth will become. or can be the Beast that Mother Harlot rides
fun little fact: Artoria Lancer alter could just be Artoria as the leader of the Wild Hunt, seeing as King Arthur is listed as one of the leaders of the Wild Hunt.
amazing video, it got me thinking about a similar video idea and it's about covering the beasts of calamity, would be cool if you covered a topic like that
Ah yes Salter Lalter Jalter Janta Cuzilla Edgemiya Ecchan Nyalter Okitan aaand Nyarjuna Oh, by the way Ecchan dies in the servantverse and somehow manifests again in proper human history as a pop idol where her sheer power of cuteness ends a singularity. No, not kidding.
I love arjuna alter! He's actually pretty sweet once you bond with him. He's just very... distant. Well... at least from someone who didn't get to play that lost belt yet. I'm still I seventh singularity and sobbing.
Cú Alter was my first SSR and is my favorite servant, so I felt some genuine joy to hear you went through almost the same thing with him, even though I just discovered your channel
Nice! More of my favourite servants! Jalter is my pride and joy of my Chaldea, but I love all the alters. I think I'd struggle to make a tier list of my favs even. Thanks for another great vid! Never knew Cu and his cos were originally naked and that's where the suits come from. Interesting haha.
ME DESCRIBING THE ALTER SERVANTS IN THREE WORDS OR LESS: Salter: Junk food Lalter: More junk food Jalter: OVERRATED Jalter Lily: Needs warm clothes Cu Alter: Thot's wet dream EMIYA ALTER: EDGELORD Ecchan: Loves sweets Nyalter: Angry cat girl Okita Alter: Needs some sleep Arjuna Alter: Few Rate-Ups
I kind of assumed that Cú alter was less of an expression of the blackening and more just Cú being summoned in his "warp spasm" state like in his original legend where he literally transforms into a grotesque monster of a man in his battle fury. The way he transforms in his NP also matches up pretty well with a lot of descriptions I've read from the legend.
My take on what makes an alter is somewhat simpler. I find that depending on the specific servant, certain aspects of character traits witnessed and attested by their lessers are magnified, this magnification being the focal point of the corruption. Artoria, as both Salter and Lalter, was a king of some repute and all kings have power and enemies. Both the Picts and the Saxons, and maybe disenfranchised elements in Camelot, namely Mordred who united them under rebellion, accepted a tainted view of Artoria. This tainted ruler uses authority indiscriminately and does as they please. This trait is even stronger in Jeanne D'Arc Alter, who was defamed and burned as a hateful witch, despite having no such quality about her character. While the were no truths to these crimes, there were still believers in these lies, thus I believe this is how the Grail was able to manifest such a perversion. Cù Chullain Alter is an over simplification of how ruthless he was on the field of battle, even when gravely injured. Nothing less than a raging monster. In fact, his altered form is a technically more accurate representation of his legend than how he is as the beloved Blue Lancer. Even with retcon, Okita Alter further reinforces the notion as Okita was a prodigy. In no time in her incarnation as part of the counter force, knowing nothing, she quickly adapted and overcame the situation. Atalante alter is a strange one as she doesn't fit into that argument. All I can say is that regardless of which class, she is a cat girl because she and her lover were turned into lions and alter is just more lion like, more bestial, than her Archer form. Emiya alter is where it gets really nutty. The red Archer we know comes from the achievement of the dream of the f/sn protagonist becoming a hero of justice by becoming an agent of the counter force. More to the point, alter is the product of Archer's whole twisted ideal in the ubw chapter, crystallized and personified. It's easier to pursue an ideal under an employer who shares in it, even in a more corrupt fashion (read, Kiara) than to do so to a seemingly intangible construct as "the world", because to over simplify the both of them, they're both mercenaries, only Alter is actually getting some payment in exchange, while the red Archer just kinda sits around making swords in his weird workshop. Finally, Arjuna alter is just an ass in a bunny suit.
Arjuna alter we summon in the chaldea is the same we fought in LB4 except he is now less powerful and restricted by servant container like all other lb kings
Cu alter is also definitely based off Riastrad, the canonical celtic monster form he takes on at various points in the myth, which explains why he physically mutates into a beast in a similar way to Atalanta’s boar form.
I know nothing about Fate besides the original visual novel, I'm just here because I enjoy seeing the insanity of wider nasuverse from a safe distance.
Day 1 player here. A huge thank you. Since London's release when I first saw Alter Artoria Lancer, I just couldn't find anywhere how she came to be. Lore was non existant, google's results were scarce beside some japanese sites and translating them didn't help. . When Camelot got released I got even more confused thinking what could've happened for the embodiment of Goddess Rhongomyniad to get corrupted/altered like that. . It never crossed my mind that her Alter Lancer wasn't the Spear Goddess at all but Artoria herself umtil now. Google didn't really helped me here so, again, from the me back in 2017: thank you.
Alters When DW, Aniplex and Ufotable want to make some money by turning waifus and husbandos edgy Unless it’s Arjuna, because he was already an edgy fuck
What i think happened to emiya is a version who became corrupted by the grail which festered and grew within him slowly and when he joined counterforce it corrupted him or just before and it lead to emiya alters creation
Little harsh on Arjuna there. If he hadn't done what he did we would have ended them. I wonder how many other wonderful families have ceased to exist due to our collapsing lost belts?
Edgmiya didn't just kill a lot of innocent people which made him this way. He killed Taiga, who joined Kiara's cult to save the life of her son who was all she had left, since in that timeline, Shirou was executed as a war criminal, Illya as a Homunculus died young while Sakura and Rin died under unusual circumstances, and even though she sort of recognized Emiya as being Shirou, she already grieved for him and likely knew she would be killed, the small hope Kiara could cure her son made her still point the gun at Emiya and he killed her in self defense. This is what broke him finely as an Alter
Oh, yea.... Jzerk is a wrong description. Somehow, the following is the true explanation. To solve a Hawaiian singularity, Master and Jeanne alter fly to hawaii, and she's a massive tourist about it. So she changes to a swimsuit. The reason why she's easier to get along with, is coz BB trapped her and our crew in a Groundhog Day simulation, until we won a Doujin(SFW ones) competition. So her energy gets put into making doujins, making her an overworked, hence nicer servant. Yes this is the story where Jeanne og has a dolphin DONT ASK DONT ASK DONT ASK.
I only need okitan in my life. Took a lot to raise her to 120 but it's very worth it. Especially when you get her bond CE. I'll gladly feed other SSR to her if need be.
Where does Lancelot berserker fall in this because he doesn’t have the alter title but he seems to like he should. Lancelot saber looks to be the normal or original version and the beakers form is different version of him. Also similar to artoria alter he has that dark purple armor with red veins. Lancelot berserker is an odd ball.
I feel like if he had the alter title it would be fitting but because he’s one of the originals it wasn’t really a thought at the time. But his legend doesn’t deviate from him being one near the end so it’s not really an “alternate” Lancelot
To put it into words she exist as an endless amount of possibilities from storybooks and fairy tails. Hence why she can also take on the attributes of an old god. She’s scary because she can be a catalyst for an inimitable amount of things. Or at least that’s what is what can be assumed about her
Ah i just found you researching Fate context, before i get into fate for real So uh, do you support an endo system like me? And uh, we see ourselves as an astolfo type. He/him, extremely girly, and very talkative
Not just the philosophy, but also the tragic backstory. The EoR spinoff manga for the Seraph event finally revealed more about Demiya's history and run-in with Kiara.
As someone who speaks or learned Irish/Gaelige (Gae-li-gah) I have to correct you that Cu Chulainn is pronounced (Coo Cull-in) no offence I know Gaelige pronunciations are difficult but I thought this might help 😅 Also is it pronounced Jean or je-an d'arc? Also you can pick whatever pronunciations you want I just wanted to drop a knowledge quartz on ya lol XD On a side note Pruning phenomenon is like DC Dark Multiverse too btw. Very similar except its thst if the universe is to volatile and dangerous it is snipped off into the leaf litter debris thst is the dark multiverse
3:16. Excalibur being good or evil has nothing to do with being fey. After all, the fey are split into seelie and unseelie courts(dawn and dusk courts) dawn is considered "good", while dusk is "bad" the reality is that both are filled with self serving manipulative fey, and the courts just indicate a tendency towards the effects of their meddling in mortal affairs. A weapon of fey orgin could just as well be evil as good.
I understand and I know that the Altjuna we summoned is differ from the Lost Belt king.... but man, everytime I look at the Family Portrait CE, I just can't help but have a bit of distaste towards him.
People need to stop sleeping on the /Extra verse it's easily the most goated up with stay night 😔 And no Just extella doesn't count that's barley a sequel like last encore
"You can't make this stuff up."
Someone did. Someone literally did and we're paying for it.
Lostbelts are tearjerkers, rest well little girl.. you've suffered enough **sobbs and summons for Godjuna, fails**
Trivia: According to Da Vinci, Atalante Alter is not really an alter. Her reasoning is this: The personality of an Alter Servant is based of personality traits present in the living version of the Heroic Spirit, but never manifested outwards nor acted upon (discarded ideas or desires, so to speak). However, Atalante "Alter"'s personality and trauma were born while she was a Servant, so they weren't ever present while she was alive. In fact, her most driving force is the trauma she experienced during Apocrypha.
So the Alter in Atalante is just flavour text.
I agree. Secondly, her alter form comes from her second noble phantasm
Comes from the use of her Agrius Metamorphosis, which merges her with the pelt if the Calydonian Boar...Theoretically, if you could remove the pelt, she would just revert back to the Archer form.
just like jeanne alter or a similar case?
@@daboi6509 Jeanne Alter is an "impossible what-if". The idea of her succumbing to despair and hatred is outright impossible, so Jeanne "Alter" was fabricated from scratch.
In Atalante's case, the emotions she has are possible, but they were never close to happening in life. They were born from a traumatic experience in Apocrypha. Since it's not a thought she held during her lifetime, but as a Servant, she's not a real Alter.
@@saxor96 similar case
Two small nitpick about Arjuna Alter.
1 The one you summon is actually a Lily Servant.
2 He didn't absorb all the gods to gain more power, just because. In the cutscenes you end up understanding that, he wanted that power to stop something like the war that took his family, in the Mahabarata, from happening again.
Problem is, he ended up losing his way.
Lowkey want to see an Arjuna alter Santa lily
I remember in Carnival Phantasm that Saber chooses to remove her ahoge herself and promptly changes into Salter, only changing back from shame/wholesomeness when seeing Shirou. That series was my first encounter with memes before I could scroll the internet freely.
And when she changes back, the ahoge pops up again.
It also happens in Hollow Ataraxia.
@@GhostRS3411 never had the chance to play it sadly.
5:24 ah yes, the most accurate popularity measurement, the number of h-doujins.
Honestly we never realize how wild these servants are until we hear someone explain their backstories/lore out loud
Really makes you sick back and just be like, damn
I don't think it's ever been verified, but I believe Cu Alter's appearance is at least partly based on Cu's riastrad/warp-spasm ability from legend. He'd turn into a berserking hideous monster with inverted legs, a gaping mouth you could see his organs inside, his hair became massive spikes, etc.
Kind of, but I'm pretty sure I remember either Caster or Lancer cu mentioning that Cu Alter is still weaker and much less feral than actual Berserker Cu, which is locked in Warps Spasm mode.
So, while Cu Alter has some characteristcs of the Warp Spasm, ultimately it's a very different beast (Pun Intended)
@@andrellnogueira cu alt is more of a carefree tyrant than the butcherous Berserker that is raistrad cu
Yeah the absolute beast that is Cu alter is a weaker more sane version of none alter Cu berserker…….. yeah no wonder he’s called the Irish Heracles
If you roll Atalante alter she could transform into her archer form: that would explain why i got her two forms in the same 10 pull
Wish it worked that way, much as I love my NP5 Nyalter I would gladly take away one of those copies for some smoother Skadi farming.
I want them, you lucky one
yeah "Atalanta alter" is just Archer using a Noble Phantasm.
Ha, same shit happened to me. It threw me so hard I legit had to look up if it was a mechanic of her summoning.
Same thing happened to me with Emyia and Emyia alter. Literally back to back from the same 10 pull.
On Emiya-Alter, this version of Emiya was summoned to stop Kiara and her cult. A lot of the backstory of Emiya-Alter is unknown but Kiara and her cult is the main factor to his backstory.
Notes: Kiara in Fate/Extra, due to a curse attracted large amounts of cultists who praise her beauty. This allows her to gains cult, wether she wants it or not
Emiya-Alter's mind was more broken due to the unshakable loyalty of Kiara's cultists. Murdering a unknown amount of cultists who threw themselves Infront of Kiara.
As shown with Shirou, Emiya dispises those who have a unshakable and stubborn mindset. And the cultists, every single one measuring in thousands at least, held the drive to protect Kiara.
Basically: Every cultist became a mirror of Shirou that Emiya had to cut down. And at the end, he wasn't even able to kill Kiara, she killed herself as Emiya got to her. Not even granting Emiya the ability to kill her himself, killing so many cultists to not even touch the leader who he was summoned for
also that he killed Taiga alongside her son in his pursuit of Kiara...he very much ended up like Kiritsugu w/o realizing it
@@darkhorseman90 taiga has a son???
@@shinohikari9253 I didn't read the novel on wich the informations came from but apparently Taiga had a kid who was sick. She joined the cult that could heal her kid.
When Shirou went on a rampage that's where he killed Taiga but I don't know about her kid.
To elaborate more on this, this is the continuation on one of the bad ending of the f/sn.
The superman ending where most of the character dies in hgw including Shirou.
This devastated Taiga who have no idea where everyone went.
It was not enough to break her as she continues to live a normal life and have a family.
However after her husband gone and her son got sick, she desperately clinging into any hopes she was presented. (In this case Kiara cult)
Fast forward to Shirou event where he is on a mission to kill Kiara, he met with Taiga.
They recognized each other as Shirou shot and kill her.
This would be the biggest conscience Shirou would have.
+ Killing others cult members who are mostly just innocent people finally break him apart.
6:31
Nope that s not what happened at all.
Jeanne alter wanted to piss off altria alter by stealing her present bag and giving out all the gifts inside before altria can so altria will be pissed off and all the children who should have got their gift would cry.
Also, she asked kid gille for a potion of invisiblity(of course it turn it was the potion of youth) so that it would be a substitute for her lack of presence concealment.
It wasn't mentionned to whom jeanne wanted to give the gift but the way she said she was going to hand them out means its probably to anyone but those who re supposed to get them.
Edit : after turning into a kid, jeanne alter lily pretty much became a separate entity from her original as she is the one who somehow want to prove she can be a better santa, refere to her grown up counterpart as a separate being and she doesn't even think like the normal jeanne alter.
In addition, she then denounces the title of Santa by the end of her event, as she realized that being Santa wasn't what she actually wanted. This means that by the end of the event, when she is finally a stable Servant, she is just Jeanne Lily from a "what if" timeline where Jeanne saw the sea as a child.
You can then take this to another level by having Summer Jeanne as the grown up version of Jeanne Lily, as a natural course of her loving the sea.
what I love about Salter is what her description in-game tells us, that it's not necessarily just an evil alternative, but a personification of something that Arthut always longed to be, a ruthless king
Salter's sword was likely self-named, given her respect towards Morgan and Morgan's outrage over the name.
Yes, I spoiled my NA ass to hell and back, why are you asking?
About Saber Wars, while it's definitely a gag, it's also canon, because it's the Nasuverse we're talking about, of course it is. Is it really more outlandish than magic girls?
All of fate series is canon
@@yes.3813 I agree, though some stuff in FGO doesn't map cleanly onto the main story timeline. Still, different timelines and whatnot.
"Yes, I spoiled my NA ass to hell and back, why are you asking?"
I see you are a man of culture as well.
I'm still waiting for a Saber Wars anime...
A small correction. The counter force and Gaia arent the same anymore. Sometimes the counter force goals may actually go against Gaias goal and vice versa
Because Alaya, the will of mankind, is the Counter Force. Gaia is the will of the planet. They are OFTEN in opposition, but not always.
Rather, Gaia and Alaya have their own respective Counter Forces. Alaya has its Heroic Spirits and Counter Guardians, while Gaia uses Elementals and some Divine Spirits as agents. Gaia's Counter Force is what prevents the planet from being destroyed by Earth-born creatures, which is part of the reason why Moriarty was able to use the Shinjuku Singularity (an urban metropolis isolated in time) in his plan to prove that he could destroy the world.
Enkidu has the ability to tap into both of them when using his Noble Phantasm. These contradicting forces interacting is what makes his Enuma Elish so devastating.
personally i want most alters that explore usually joke characters, like an astolfo alter who was never turned back into a person and is a tree person only able to move when summoned, or even having charlemagne be rex magnus karl alter so we can have both instead of only one
just finished LB4 few days ago
Asha crying scene break me... and CE we receive break me even more...
at first i was thought it's just her, her's father and dog... but that CE...
damn you Arjuna!, you erase girl's entire family!?
Arjuna was a machine at that point, he genuinely wasn't thinking straight. At least he had the decency to clean up everyone's memories when he wiped them.
I finished LB4 a few days ago (I put off progressing thru the story because of events and procrastination) and can't help but see Arjuna alter as a computer or skynet achieved godhood.
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It's more that, as he began to take on an increasing amount of Authority, he had to shut down his emotions to be able to cope with all of them. It's not a coincidence that he starts being increasingly emotional as he's losing against Karna.
The highest level of magic and divinity is hyper advanced technology in the fate universe. As you'll see in LB5, but other examples, the moon cell could summon over 255 servants easily, when fuyuki takes hundreds of years for a set of 7. Or the saint graph system in general, saving heroic spirits as data that can develop beyond the usual confines of classes.
because after absorbing all gods he was barely able to manage his humanity, Even Holmes said that it's a surprise that he is able to maintain a physical form
Lalter(The shortened version of Lancer Artoria Alter), is also an incarnation of the Wild Hunt, a group of roaming beasts, hunters, and spirits, that would show up and wreak havoc across the land, and anyone caught in its range would never come back. The Wild Hunt was a way, in older times, to explain Tornados, Hurricanes, and other similar phenomenon.
There's also Marie alter but she's not playable so i don't think we have enough information about her
Marie is in the same situation than jeanne.
The one from the event was just an illusion who came from the imagination of eris(the welfare lancer of that event) the the real marie did mention that this alter would be very close from what a real marie alter would be.
Don't say that. We know a man would definitely open his wallet for np5 marie alter
Good news, JP now have it!
I think the most interesting thing about Emiya Alter is that he represents the logical progression of the Heart of Steel bad ending from the original Stay Night visual novel.
In the ending Emiya kills Sakura to prevent her from harming more innocents for the sake of living up to his ideals. The reason this is a bad ending is that it would mean abandoning his own personal happiness and humanity to follow the flawed dream that Kiritsugu learned to abandon. For it had ruined him.
The fact that Emiya Alter murdered innocents and thus abandoned his humanity and peace of mind for his ideals relays perfectly into one of the most interesting bad ends of the VN. The counter force even corrupts Emiya and causes his memories to fade and become twisted just to maintain the soldier that is Emiya Alter. He is brainwashed to put the Human Order before the happiness of Shirou Emiya as he crumbles for the rest of eternity.
His character is a cool callback and thought experiment on the original story. Oh, and to give it even more credibility the skill that cause his brainwashing is called Derisive Heart of Steel.
If I remember correctly, aren't the reason Emiya Alter is Emiya Alter is because of Kiara?
I also love how his physical appearance shows that he is a broken sword desperately keeping himself together for the sake of completing his mission.
@@TimeNVoid Yes it is
One thing to add to Cu alter, that i think was a missed opportunity in his creation is that Cu often went berserk in battle (called a "war span" I believe) in the myth his feet bent backwards, one of his eyes popped out of it's socket and streams of blood spewed from his body.
I'm glad that you covered Okitan because I had no clue about her, same thing with Lancer Alter. Also can you cover the Grand Servants and the beasts.
as a fellow Okita Alter enjoyer I really recommend her valentine dialogue, I still have to see it on youtube tough, as she refuse to come to my chaldea.....
Nyalter has a special kind of Madness Enhancement passive skill, showing she is different than other mad enhanced servants.
Arjuna alter is one of my favorite servants because I find his alignment quite interesting as well as his third ascension.
Overall great video. Some inaccuracies or outright misrememberings, though. I'd go into detail, but alot of people have already brought them up.
Fun fact: Artoria Lancer Alter is NOT evil but Lawful Good. She maintains her alignment, despite becoming a tyrant. Remember, people, Fate alignments aren't the same as Dungeons and Dragons alignments... Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good, afterall.
Okay, so you seem to know a bit about the alignment system in fate. So... What's up with regular Atalante being an evil aligned servant? I don't know if any evil she did in her legend, so I'm confused why she's listed that way.
@@Thekoodie alignment in Fate is much less like D&D's strict system of universal morality, and more how they seem themselves and the things they feel they are. I'm not 100% aware of Atalante's legend, but her evil alignment would put the burden on herself feeling she does evil and so she is.
I remember some people talking about the possibility of an Boudica Avenger or Lancer Alter once, that would be pretty cool.
I think we'll get avenger Boudica at some point in the future, probably as a Nero/Gilfest servant or something
Boudica Alter is something that Summer 2 joked and foreshadowed about
There's also Galahad Alter who appears in the Fate/Requiem Light Novel
and of course, Nero Alter, who has been heavily foreshadowed for many years now
@@Silvericefox1 isn’t Nero Alter like literally the Devil or something
@@papaaeon7210 Nero Alter is theorized to be Mother Harlot and possibly the other half of Beast VI
it has been hinted for a long time. even all the way back on EXTRA where Gawain calls Nero; the "W**re of babylon" which was one of Mother Harlot's titles (censoring the word cuz idk if YT will take issue with it)
There's also that Summer Nero has a skil called "Seven Crowns" which is a dumbed down version of Goetia's skill "Ten Crowns", which is both a reference to the seven headed beast that Mother Harlot rides and the 7 hills of Rome
and to top it off, we do know that Nero forcefully fits herself into the Saber class by using her Imperial Privilege, since for some reason she doesn't want to be summoned as a Rider, which seems to be her proper class
you can probably find a thread on the r/grandorder subreddit that goes more into it
also, to add a bit more to this mess
recently it is thought that perhaps Elizabeth will become. or can be the Beast that Mother Harlot rides
@@Silvericefox1 huh makes sense since Nero was so hated by Christians irl
fun little fact:
Artoria Lancer alter could just be Artoria as the leader of the Wild Hunt, seeing as King Arthur is listed as one of the leaders of the Wild Hunt.
amazing video, it got me thinking about a similar video idea and it's about covering the beasts of calamity, would be cool if you covered a topic like that
I’d gladly check it out!
@@klidge yes please.the Beast are cool and maybe cover the Grand servants along with them.
Ah yes
Salter
Lalter
Jalter
Janta
Cuzilla
Edgemiya
Ecchan
Nyalter
Okitan
aaand
Nyarjuna
Oh, by the way Ecchan dies in the servantverse and somehow manifests again in proper human history as a pop idol where her sheer power of cuteness ends a singularity. No, not kidding.
I know I'm responding to a 2-year-old comment but "Cuzilla" has me dying laughing oh my God fdgjghjjh
I love arjuna alter! He's actually pretty sweet once you bond with him. He's just very... distant. Well... at least from someone who didn't get to play that lost belt yet. I'm still I seventh singularity and sobbing.
2:48 Now do I think about It I am surprised Ushiwakamaru didn’t get a alter because her situation was similar
In a way she did, in Taira no Kagekiyo but this isn’t listed as an alter
The way you explain fate lore is really cool. Would love to see a video about Grand Servants like this.
Cú Alter was my first SSR and is my favorite servant, so I felt some genuine joy to hear you went through almost the same thing with him, even though I just discovered your channel
Can't forget that Okita Alter also loves Oden and will use the grail to have an endless supply of Oden
Nice! More of my favourite servants! Jalter is my pride and joy of my Chaldea, but I love all the alters. I think I'd struggle to make a tier list of my favs even.
Thanks for another great vid!
Never knew Cu and his cos were originally naked and that's where the suits come from. Interesting haha.
7:58 that "hot" made me howl in laughter.
ME DESCRIBING THE ALTER SERVANTS IN THREE WORDS OR LESS:
Salter: Junk food
Lalter: More junk food
Jalter: OVERRATED
Jalter Lily: Needs warm clothes
Cu Alter: Thot's wet dream
EMIYA ALTER: EDGELORD
Ecchan: Loves sweets
Nyalter: Angry cat girl
Okita Alter: Needs some sleep
Arjuna Alter: Few Rate-Ups
Arjuna Alter: Never seen again.
Arjuna Alter: Paywall servant
I kind of assumed that Cú alter was less of an expression of the blackening and more just Cú being summoned in his "warp spasm" state like in his original legend where he literally transforms into a grotesque monster of a man in his battle fury. The way he transforms in his NP also matches up pretty well with a lot of descriptions I've read from the legend.
My take on what makes an alter is somewhat simpler. I find that depending on the specific servant, certain aspects of character traits witnessed and attested by their lessers are magnified, this magnification being the focal point of the corruption.
Artoria, as both Salter and Lalter, was a king of some repute and all kings have power and enemies. Both the Picts and the Saxons, and maybe disenfranchised elements in Camelot, namely Mordred who united them under rebellion, accepted a tainted view of Artoria. This tainted ruler uses authority indiscriminately and does as they please.
This trait is even stronger in Jeanne D'Arc Alter, who was defamed and burned as a hateful witch, despite having no such quality about her character. While the were no truths to these crimes, there were still believers in these lies, thus I believe this is how the Grail was able to manifest such a perversion.
Cù Chullain Alter is an over simplification of how ruthless he was on the field of battle, even when gravely injured. Nothing less than a raging monster. In fact, his altered form is a technically more accurate representation of his legend than how he is as the beloved Blue Lancer.
Even with retcon, Okita Alter further reinforces the notion as Okita was a prodigy. In no time in her incarnation as part of the counter force, knowing nothing, she quickly adapted and overcame the situation.
Atalante alter is a strange one as she doesn't fit into that argument. All I can say is that regardless of which class, she is a cat girl because she and her lover were turned into lions and alter is just more lion like, more bestial, than her Archer form.
Emiya alter is where it gets really nutty. The red Archer we know comes from the achievement of the dream of the f/sn protagonist becoming a hero of justice by becoming an agent of the counter force. More to the point, alter is the product of Archer's whole twisted ideal in the ubw chapter, crystallized and personified. It's easier to pursue an ideal under an employer who shares in it, even in a more corrupt fashion (read, Kiara) than to do so to a seemingly intangible construct as "the world", because to over simplify the both of them, they're both mercenaries, only Alter is actually getting some payment in exchange, while the red Archer just kinda sits around making swords in his weird workshop.
Finally, Arjuna alter is just an ass in a bunny suit.
3:17 Oh my god! I have been wondering about this for the longest time!
Love these videos
Thank you!
"Perhaps the most popular according to nhentai" Lmao you slipped that in there, the delivery was smooth
Arjuna alter we summon in the chaldea is the same we fought in LB4 except he is now less powerful and restricted by servant container like all other lb kings
Carnival Phantasm made the Saber to Salter transform via ahoge removal canon.
The second you showed the CE made me cry instantly
I'm guessing Mysterious Idol X Alter was excluded for both being rather standalone in lore and for not being in NA yet.
How would a Siegfried or Karna Alter would look like? I bet Siegfried Alter's basically Fafnir in Human form and Karna Alter resembles Super Karna.
Cu alter is also definitely based off Riastrad, the canonical celtic monster form he takes on at various points in the myth, which explains why he physically mutates into a beast in a similar way to Atalanta’s boar form.
Arjuna Alter....
Or Sana's edgier brother.
I wish we could get more anything for emiya alter
Yeah he’s unfortunately light on info and it’s a major change from the lad we know
I know nothing about Fate besides the original visual novel, I'm just here because I enjoy seeing the insanity of wider nasuverse from a safe distance.
Day 1 player here.
A huge thank you.
Since London's release when I first saw Alter Artoria Lancer, I just couldn't find anywhere how she came to be.
Lore was non existant, google's results were scarce beside some japanese sites and translating them didn't help.
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When Camelot got released I got even more confused thinking what could've happened for the embodiment of Goddess Rhongomyniad to get corrupted/altered like that.
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It never crossed my mind that her Alter Lancer wasn't the Spear Goddess at all but Artoria herself umtil now.
Google didn't really helped me here so, again, from the me back in 2017: thank you.
Alters
When DW, Aniplex and Ufotable want to make some money by turning waifus and husbandos edgy
Unless it’s Arjuna, because he was already an edgy fuck
What i think happened to emiya is a version who became corrupted by the grail which festered and grew within him slowly and when he joined counterforce it corrupted him or just before and it lead to emiya alters creation
Little harsh on Arjuna there. If he hadn't done what he did we would have ended them. I wonder how many other wonderful families have ceased to exist due to our collapsing lost belts?
Edgmiya didn't just kill a lot of innocent people which made him this way. He killed Taiga, who joined Kiara's cult to save the life of her son who was all she had left, since in that timeline, Shirou was executed as a war criminal, Illya as a Homunculus died young while Sakura and Rin died under unusual circumstances, and even though she sort of recognized Emiya as being Shirou, she already grieved for him and likely knew she would be killed, the small hope Kiara could cure her son made her still point the gun at Emiya and he killed her in self defense. This is what broke him finely as an Alter
Angry Mango, I like it.
Awesome video!
Thank you, man! ^~^
Oh, yea.... Jzerk is a wrong description. Somehow, the following is the true explanation.
To solve a Hawaiian singularity, Master and Jeanne alter fly to hawaii, and she's a massive tourist about it. So she changes to a swimsuit. The reason why she's easier to get along with, is coz BB trapped her and our crew in a Groundhog Day simulation, until we won a Doujin(SFW ones) competition. So her energy gets put into making doujins, making her an overworked, hence nicer servant.
Yes this is the story where Jeanne og has a dolphin DONT ASK DONT ASK DONT ASK.
i wonder what a proper EMIYA Alter from Fuyuki would look like
I only need okitan in my life. Took a lot to raise her to 120 but it's very worth it. Especially when you get her bond CE. I'll gladly feed other SSR to her if need be.
6:18 Arthur: sweats nervously
I mean if you have him he does go through sorta character arc in his Ascension and bond lines. But yay he was a dick
Where does Lancelot berserker fall in this because he doesn’t have the alter title but he seems to like he should. Lancelot saber looks to be the normal or original version and the beakers form is different version of him. Also similar to artoria alter he has that dark purple armor with red veins. Lancelot berserker is an odd ball.
I feel like if he had the alter title it would be fitting but because he’s one of the originals it wasn’t really a thought at the time. But his legend doesn’t deviate from him being one near the end so it’s not really an “alternate” Lancelot
I am guessing either a gatcha disaster or using too much sq to revive in lb4
And now,as of Lostbelt 7 we have Beni-Enma Alter and Kingproteia Alter
1:52 Lol that caught me off guard lol
Ok Imma take my chance, why is nursery rhyme scary?
I heard you say it on one of your videos but wasn't able to find the explanation.
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I'm also curious, so I'm leaving a dot in case someone answers.
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To put it into words she exist as an endless amount of possibilities from storybooks and fairy tails. Hence why she can also take on the attributes of an old god. She’s scary because she can be a catalyst for an inimitable amount of things. Or at least that’s what is what can be assumed about her
@@klidge thank you. I'll be watching encore when I can.
@@klidge Thank you for your time.
whould be interesting if in the future they add a beast alter servant boss.
Brother I love your videos
Ah i just found you researching Fate context, before i get into fate for real
So uh, do you support an endo system like me?
And uh, we see ourselves as an astolfo type. He/him, extremely girly, and very talkative
i m kind of new to fate and i realized Emiya didnt died when he was killed by Gaebolg in staynight so what happened?
So Emiya alter is basically just future Shirou with the philosophy of his father Kiritsugu from Fate Zero?
Not just the philosophy, but also the tragic backstory. The EoR spinoff manga for the Seraph event finally revealed more about Demiya's history and run-in with Kiara.
@@darkhorseman90 Thanks for the info!
As someone who speaks or learned Irish/Gaelige (Gae-li-gah) I have to correct you that Cu Chulainn is pronounced (Coo Cull-in) no offence I know Gaelige pronunciations are difficult but I thought this might help 😅
Also is it pronounced Jean or je-an d'arc?
Also you can pick whatever pronunciations you want I just wanted to drop a knowledge quartz on ya lol XD
On a side note Pruning phenomenon is like DC Dark Multiverse too btw. Very similar except its thst if the universe is to volatile and dangerous it is snipped off into the leaf litter debris thst is the dark multiverse
It's pronounced "John/Zhon". It doesn't help that "Jean" is an actual name in English so people reading Jeanne's name will think of that. 😭
Btw for Edgemiya he also killed Taiga and her child/children + he didn't even manage to kill Kiara, she killed herself in front of him to spite him.
Silly Jalter and Salter fighting for best best alter clearly it is okita alter.
thanks
5:25 Very true because I read those lol
Edgemiya seems the kind of guy that will reset the universe
would ya care to try and do a video on all the grand servants we are aware of rn?
Have I’ve got news for you ua-cam.com/video/2vXvO1o7tCw/v-deo.html
@@klidge nice
3:16. Excalibur being good or evil has nothing to do with being fey. After all, the fey are split into seelie and unseelie courts(dawn and dusk courts) dawn is considered "good", while dusk is "bad" the reality is that both are filled with self serving manipulative fey, and the courts just indicate a tendency towards the effects of their meddling in mortal affairs. A weapon of fey orgin could just as well be evil as good.
Okay, let me finish LB4 real quick so i can finish the video 😂 good thing i make a lot of progress in the story
Rip Vilhan 🙏🙏😭😭
JEAN?!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
It is a good thing I already completed lostbelt 4
8:10 that's not a tail, wink wink😋🍹
2:42 😂😂😂😂😂 Angry Mango??
I understand and I know that the Altjuna we summoned is differ from the Lost Belt king....
but man, everytime I look at the Family Portrait CE, I just can't help but have a bit of distaste towards him.
Fate/Requiem has Galahad Alter
Now do one on lilys
I always knew this day would come
Fun fact in the fate/world/fate/conquer Adolfo hitler is a counter guardian
15:00 my wife sephiroth!!
Hello I'm looking forward to banna oni
I'm still waiting for fate strange fake to finish so that we can get Alcides (Herc alter)
These are like fallen units from Fire Emblem Heroes.
People need to stop sleeping on the /Extra verse it's easily the most goated up with stay night 😔
And no Just extella doesn't count that's barley a sequel like last encore
Can you do grand servants
Emiya alter is Pucci
Angry Mango XD
Hi Man
Hello friend!