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This Video is NOT a review of the product, I just wanted to show you guys the new Tobii Head tracker Just because I really like it been geeking out with it for a few days now, What do you guys Think in terms of its usefulness for our content?
I think that is a game changer considering you don't have to worry about a hat that has a tracking device on it, or VR when you are totally inside the game. If you're like me and you just have a standard size 24 inch monitor that is awesome
If the bubble of the eye tracker was about 5x-6x smaller than it was in the first scene, and the color was changed to match the HUD of the aircraft you're flying it would be perfectly fitting.
It would definitely help me keep track of the other aircraft as my resolution is usually low due to slow internet.
i think it should be a way smaller green bubble
Very useful since I watch on mobile I often loose track of the bandit so making it a bit smaller would be optimal
i think you should only use it 4 bvr
That circle is so helpful for watching on a phone, would love to see more of this going forward.
I agree. I watch 90% of UA-cam on my phone rather than on my computer and this is immensely helpful as I offer can only see the bandit that GS is tracking at the merge and when he finally shoots him down.
That circle is so helpful for watching on ... "the toilet".
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@@LouseGrouse Brown bandit, 6 o'clock, low
Green bubbles make it feel like more of a HMD overlay it is interesting to see where your focus is at different points in the fight from BVR to BFM and having the circle around where the bandit is helps us the viewers tho i think you are able to roughly see his nose position those of us with 1080 screens cant see that
I have to agree on the Green bubble. I also currently only have a 1080p screen so we loose that detail.
Came here to say exactly this,! In many videos, the bandit disappears just due to youtube compression!
Green agreed
Meanwhile this video offers maximum resolution of 720p...
@@eklhaft4531 It's now in 4K, maybe it was still processing on YTs end.
Maybe a smaller circle (even just as small as dot-sized) would help and at the same time it wouldn't be as disruptive compared to a bigger circle in some scenarios.
I came to say that.
In a green color, I feel would be pretty appropriate.
GOOD idea.
I feel like that would cover the object.
@Reflektionz Even if it's not pinpoint accurate, a smaller circle would be very helpful :)
Green bubble!! Maybe make it a tad smaller if you cab but I think it really adds to the viewer experience!
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I like green a lot, partially because it usually matches cockpit/hud backlighting, I also think that a smaller more focused circle would be better, maybe about ~80% the size it is now. Also I should mention if you stream on twitch I've seen it in use but the viewer has their own control on the size, colour and shape of the tracking point.
This green that is a little different than the rest of the hud is perfect. Also agree on a little bit smaller.
I would make the circle smaller, and try to match the color to the light green of the HUD as much as possible. That way it's less intrusive.
Green is used because it's the colour most visible to the human eye - which makes it the most intrusive colour, not the least.
Red is the least intrusive colour, which is why soldiers use red light in the field if they are forced to use illumination. Your pupils contract less and recover dilation quicker, and red light is more difficult to see over distance because it's the least energetic frequency in the visual spectrum.
@@tigerpjm less intrusive as in it blends in with the HUD, if you were to have it bright red it would LOOK more intrusive because it doesn't blend in
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Which would be fine if it were being used to identify objects inside the cockpit.
But it isn't. The reason it's being considered is to help in the identification of objects (aircraft) outside of the cockpit.
Also, red is the least "bright" of all colours. And there's nothing saying you need to use bright red. Have a look at the video, red almost appears black when you're not looking directly at it.
i mean the eye tracker isnt 100% accurate so the circle represents the possible area that the eye is looking at. Making it smaller may make it even more confusing
@@tigerpjm what he meant I think is, a green tracker integrates the best with the hud system and feels much more at home than red, which can stick out more and not feel as natural.
I think this will be useful for anyone trying to learn how to fight better because we can see how often youre watching the bandit and how often youre looking at your hud/instruments
I can see this being useful in tutorials for new players. It will help them to better understand the typical work flow during BFM/ACM or BVR.
Maybe just use it to help spot the bandit at the initial stage of the engagement then turn it off. It brings the element of realism into play when the audience also needs to search for that bandit and for me that draws the audience in makes them apart of the HUNT
Personaly, i find the bubble more distracting than anything else. Indeed though, sometimes we cant really see the bandit, so turning it on and off is an idea worth trying i believe.
Yeah, I agree. I think it has its uses in certain cases, but I wouldn't like to see it become a normal part of every video.
I like the bubble. I believe the color should be the same greenish color of the HUD so it blends with the whole HUD thing. Thanks
+1
Disagree.
Green is used on HUDs because it's the easiest colour to see.
You don't really want to see the circle, it's there to act as a guide. Red would be the best colour for that.
As someone who would love to get into DCS the eye tracker is really helpful to understand how your interacting with the aircraft and enemy aircraft. Learnt a hell of a lot from your videos, great work!
I for one who does not play DCS, but I find it very interesting to watch you, this is great. I thought it was just my old eyes as the reason I couldn't see the bandits all the time. haha. I didn't realize it was a common problem.
Anyway, your content is so interesting and informative. Keep up the good work.
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Lol it is not just you. i watch his videos mostly on my phone so i cant see those really small bandits on the screen too
It would be really helpful specifically in BVR or AG missions, I think a green color that matches the HUD would be great because it would be less distractingly
i would like it.....a smaller, dark red bubble would be nice and less prominent
and i use the tobii in star citizen even for targeting, as the accuracy for the eye tracking is really good.
the headtracker can not compete with track IR though
Maybe red in the sky and green in the instruments ahah
I like it. Just keep the on and off button for it's display on a hot key. Note that the green blends with the aircraft display nicely. Also, see if you could make it a little thinner when it shifts around as to not be overwhelming for those nice cinematic shots.
So if you're like me and you go cross-eyed a lot or if you have a lazy eye that looks right when your other eye looks left that would make it very interesting!!
Reduces the immersion a bit, yet very informative. Maybe keep that in mind when deciding what you want to achieve with the video at hand, leaving the bubble on or off.
This would've been hilarious to have when the f-22 snuck up on you in the Su-27 Flanker. I would've loved to see the moment you catch the jet in your mirror.
I like it. It is a good tool.
Yeah lmao
I say if you're going to do it I'd pick green because it fits in with the hud color and stuff, it's cool. I'd also say turn it on and off when needed, because it might get distracting if it was always on
This is amazing! I am already used to it being there, now that I have been watching for a few minutes. The green color is perfect. My only critique is that the bubble should be smaller and/or slightly more transparent.
It will be of tremendous value to teach people to keep up their scans, where and when to scan, during various flight operation regimes. I think it is a great idea and especially to keep your noggin' a little cooler so you can fly longer in greater comfort. You know the old saying, when the fan out front stops... the pilot gets hot! (Has to rely completely on training)
I’m sorry lads I’m from one year into the future and he is not using it and we don’t know why
Great for training and education for DCS. It’s not too intrusive and helps us to know what and where we need to look in certain situations.
Do you still use the tobii eyes tracking in DCS ? Happy about it ?
I also have a 55 inch display with Track IR and have this exact same issue, so I'm super interested in this device. I see value in the bubble for a video that is going to be posted, but I doubt that I'd leave it on outside of that context. Thanks for exposing this device!
Easy fix, mount your headtracker backwards, tape your IR webcam behind you on the wall or smt like that and last but not least revers some curves in the headtracking software. Yes I am serious, I have tested that and it works.
@@Mike_Romeo haha, neat. I'll try to remember this
@@Mike_Romeo Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately that isn't an option for me. Thanks again.
Too much of a distraction for me.. I think you should stay without it
So, I’ve been studying operator movements and attention, and this is super helpful in cockpit for that reason. Tying together how you assemble the right state and in what order you check instruments in a quick scan downwards. I’ve worked on US Navy nuclear reactor control panels and data visualization in computing and we do use eye gaze studies to understand how people use dashboards and software. I know for nuclear operator training, we tell people where we look at even point at instruments by hand to get backup confirmation before taking action. Of course, nuclear reactors require a lot of attention but are less time critical most of the time, but the idea is to train in the attention sequence so that during an emergent situation you’ve got a routine nailed down that you can speed through without making mistakes or tripping up on judgement errors.
I think outside the cockpit, seeing how you deal with BVR engagements where you’re looking at the sky for contrails and then checking and operating the radar is also instructive. Even more than after the merge.
I guess if anything I wish the eye gaze outline were a tiny bit lighter. Just barely enough to indicate.
The bubble would be incredibly helpful. And fun fact... many years ago I worked in the same building as a Tobii office and used to sneak into their bathroom since it was always the cleanest and quietest one. Eventually they caught on and put a lock on the door :(
Being able to look for the enemy myself in your videos is what helps me spot better in game. I think the circle takes away from it.
A valid point. I myself don't really have problems with tracking bandits in game but find it very hard after youtube compression and lower resolution screen. (I often watch these videos on my phone) In my opinion the best way to improve your bandit tracking is to do it in game. Same environment same screen. But if it works for you I can't argue with that.
@@Kolaotse I use a quest 2, they both look like small dots 🤷♂️
@GrowlingSidewinder... I know this is an older video but.... Are you still using the Tobii Eye Tracker? Did you have any issues with accuracy vs TrackIR?
Looking into 1 of these systems and I like the idea of not having to wear anything extra with the Tobii, but I've seen some reviews that the TrackIR is much more accurate.
Are you able tonshare your thoughts? Or a link to a video if you've already discussed this?
I think the circle is cool in those niche situations like when the bandit is very small and may not be visible at a low resolution.
And for showing what to watch in a bvr fight, I don't play dcs (this will change Im saving for the hardware) or fly planes so reading the instrumentation can feel like trying to read another language at times and its really helpful to see what you are looking at because its not always obvious.
Otherwise for a dogfight where the bandit is close and it's obvious what's going on and where to look I prefer the circle to not be on the screen.
Also I liked when the circle was the same color as the hud, it made it feel less out of place.
I would suggest in splitting your videos in your "regular" style uploads without showing the tracker bubble, and do 1-2 videos a week with a more "tutorial" style, where you go more in depth with your analysis of how to BVR/Dogfight. Keep up the content man, I try and watch every day! Its really been helping me out in DCS!
It helps us watching to follow your planning and thoughts, especially the things you talk about, when the bandit disppears against the ground clutter. Or when you are setting up a BVR fight, we can follow your thoughts by following your eyes inside the cockpit (though lots of us wont know automatically what every instrument and guage is, like you do). So well worth an extensive try out.
Would recommend NOT turning on the bubble at all; we can see generally in what direction you're looking at simply by camera change - there'a already enough cockpit clutter that makes things difficult to see, that I believe the bubble (though very interesting) might obscure even more. Couple that with HMDs and woof....
I also use tobii 5c with 34" curved monitor, if mounted to the butom of the monitor theere are like 2-3 cm of the edges wich the eyetracking is not working, i fixed it by mounting it half way betwen the desk and monitor on an custom desk mount, and aligned half way betwen the inside and outside of the monitor curve, since then everithing works as intended and eyetracking is piking up even the edges and corners of the monitor.
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Hi !
I also have the Tobii 5 on DCS and I've deactivated the eye tracking because it was to sensitive, especially for reading the instruments. But I can clearly see on your demonstration that your view is very smooth and accurate. Is it possible to share your settings in the description ? It could help me a lot in DCS !
Thank you very much in advance.
I never used any head tracking device and I struggle to fully understand how it works. For example you wanna look to the left you move your head left and the visual moves in the game but at that point you’re not looking at the screen because you moved your head left?
Personally, I've never seen it as a issue to see stuff, I watch on a 1080p monitor in 2k for UA-cam compression, I honestly can't tell one time I didn't see a plane aside from when you lose sight
how necessary is the mount? Can you basically just tape it to the bottom of your monitor? also if you have an adjustable monitor (mainly height) how does that affect the accuracy of the tracking?
I think the bubble would be useful for instructional videos, but it’s pretty disruptive to just watching the video.
In situations were you are able to see the bandit, but it is impossible to see it on a phone screen it would be great to have the eye tracker, but in every other situation it is distracting und kinda Ruin the immersion.
Furthermore it would would make it possible to see if you change switches in the cockpit, which is quite good if you aren't used to the cockpit of the plain.
I'm running a 43" LG 4k monitor and I struggle to see your targets in your videos... truth be told I struggle to see other plans in dcs at 4k too... Damn eyes giving up on me.
Your channel is a mix of education and entertainment. This feature will enhance the education while slightly detracting form the entertainment. Worth it. I like the TacView content for that too. It has value.
For bvr, absolutely use the circle, it's a game changer. For knife fights it's more of a debate
Do you remember when the TV network thought it would be a good idea to highlight the hockey puck on the TV with a glow effect.. Tobii reminds me of that
The realism would be negatively affected by this, in my opinion.
I personally would prefer there being no circle thing but I wouldn’t mind it either
Having it match the hud color is kinda cool, that neonish green. That or just white.
Ohhh, i totally love the eye tracker! It is so helpful in so many ways... It makes it easier to follow and understand and it helps to know where the other planes are so much! For the color I personally would leave it green as in the last part of the video, I think it fits really well with the instruments in the cockpit and isn’t an aggressive contrast like the red. Although you can see the red better sometimes, I really don’t like it because it contrasts so much. So my color ranking is: green (1); white (2); red (3). I hope you keep the I tracking, I like it and it helps a lot!
PS: Keep up the good work, your videos are great, I love each and every one of them!
id probably try and stick to green so its like a part of your helmet mounted sight almost that is less invasive
The Tobii eye tracker technology was designed for testing web page usability/interaction analysis, and the Track IR series were originally designed to allow people with significant paralysis to interact with a computer (controlling a pointer by moving their head). Cases were someone saw a device and saw a new use for it.
This is 100% beneficial to have. It'll be good to toggle the bubble on/off at will during gameplay, but it's far more beneficial to have on than off as a viewer. Even if you're just looking down at your systems or cockpit.
I think it’s awesome, and the original translucent/grey circle was the best.
As a content creator the thing you can never fully capture is your own perception of the information you’re receiving.
Recording your screen means we as viewers receive the exact same information as you, but how you as the player interpret it, what matters most, what your focus is, is completely different to someone merely observing.
This thing is an awesome tool for helping blur that line between player and observer experience and perception.
Is it expensive? Because I want it.
It seems to me that the tracker's indicator circle isn't actually bringing as much value to the table as the new tracker just .... working so well. I understand your concerns as you expressed them, but we can see *really clearly* where you're looking, and I am convinced it's not because the indicator is there. I would suggest you run without it and let Tobii work its magic.
I think it would be neat to have the bubble the same green as the HUD
I think it would be nice occasionally so we can see where you’re looking, the size is good, and perhaps green would be best for the color
Absolutely an improvement for me as a viewer.
I feel like the eye tracker would be distracting from the actual dogfight. Maybe if it looks like the bandit would be hard to spot, a really small circle would be helpful, but once the bandit moves into clearer view, the circle should go away.
Neon green is sick! It just feels more natural!
I’ve been using ET 5 for months and it’s great, I don’t use the bubble but the ability to track your eyes is amazing.
This would be unbelievably good for tutorial videos, where you can just naturally look around to indicate a button, display, or section of the cockpit. Also in warbird ground attack, would make it very easy to highlight a target/target zone before an attack. Very cool stuff, look forward to see what you do with it.
So do you prefer this to trackir?
This is so sick! I'd say green, on and off on bvr as well. So useful when scanning like you did on the horizon. No heat map!!
Bubble is cool.
Definitely green!
How does it know when you want to look behind?
Do you still use the Tobi eye tracker?
Dude, green bubbles are sweeet!! Depending on video type, could be always on, or could come on temporarily when bandit is hard to see but close. You’ve got great intuition for what most of us want. I find many times you answer a question seconds after I think of it. Trust your gut with the timing, but this is 100% an incredible tool.
There's certainly no harm in trying it out. The bubble looks like it could be quite useful for revealing how you scan the sky for targets (I still personally struggle predicting where they'll be after a few turns). As others have said, matching it to the HUD means it doesn't jar like it might otherwise.
I think green to match the visor HUD would be best, and maybe a smaller circle if it can do that, and if it's possible, get rid of the morphing of the circle as it moves around so it acts more like a pointer (static circle) rather than a blob that's chasing your actual eye movements.
Really like the eye designator ring (EDR) when you are on instruments and sensors. It also helps to keep up on switches I'd think. For instruments and sensors, the EDR could be smaller, definitely. Outside the cockpit, I'd say maybe a little smaller, but probably not much. Wouldn't want to turn it into an obstruction or much of an distraction. Color, probably HUD green.. or matching HUD if not. I'm going to rewatch this later. The first time around the EDR was bugging me some at first. I'm not sure if it was because it was foreign or because of the color (or shape changing).. but by the end I think I might have been turned into a fan? :)
You could use two layers in your editing program and if necessary you could fade the image with the eyetracker over it in certain situations. Just as you did with the red circle in other videos. Having it the whole time is a bit distracting and kills the immersion. But probably it could be helpful in some situations and maybe it also helps to understand when you check RWR and stuff in FOX-3 scenarios. It's a nice gadget! // EDIT: Oh it's basically what you said and showed in the video. 😀 In BVR its amazing.
Takes away from the realism, so not a fan
With a small cycle it would be nice
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Hah! Great minds think alike. I literally bought one of these yesterday and so far am loving it for the same reasons as you. Larger display, cameras/sensors always to high etc. It’s taking some dialling in but the immersion it adds is fantastic. To answer your question the on screen gaze indicator would be handy in a pure tutorial but your content is fine as is IMHO. I got this to use with star citizen, MSFS and IL2 mainly but it doesn’t appear to be supported anymore in IL2 despite being listed on the tobii website but apart from that I’m loving it so far.
My view: bubble kills immersion. Don't use it for streams. But if your view by use of tobii will be following/centering on foe most of time, it should also ease locating it in video, so need for attention bubble is reduced.
I'm having trouble getting it to interact with DCS. Specifically head tracking. Any suggestions? I run Beta
Definitely a value added capability! Timing would be after the merge. Need a Macross game to use this in. Thinking greed is a good color, less obtrusive I think.
Can you show your tobii settings?
Note 2. The notching missike examole showed me how it would be useful so i guess it is very useful in some situations as i keep getting BVR killed on your server. Lots to learn and thw bubble could be hwlpful for sure. Thanks :)
The red arrow that you do to highlight the bandit in hard to see situations has been pretty helpful. Maybe use it a little more often but otherwise in the dogfight most of us (of course, there of those of us that dont completely understand the terminology which is fine, i was that person like a month ago) but mostly its really good, and i applaud u for that. I love watching/listening to your content, please keep what u are doing, you really good at commentary in the moment (especially the dogfight) and i enjoy your live thought process of how it is going. I dont personally play DCS (althought id love too try it out with a nice set up) nor am i training to be a pilot currently but i love the geometry of the fight and how you can determine how to win, by knowing how the other aircraft perform against yours, is absolutely fascinating. Again please keep having fun explaining the cool aspects of the fights like u already do, and me and so many other people im sure, will keep up with your incredible work.
That is very cool! I think it’s useful for times that you need or want us to see something specific, but probably not for the whole time. I like the bubble the most, and the color should match the HUD color
I just ordered one of these yesterday as an alternative from head tracking to use when I'm not using VR....plus it's uses in other games it supports. I'm super excited about it but know it's going to take some time to adjust to
I’d love the green bubble being used when the bandit isn’t really visible for people like me who always watch your videos on a phone. And of course, not needed when they’re contrasting against the blue sky and they’re visible.
Great video. I have just got into DCS and your channel is one of the most helpful for new players. I have been using the Tobi eye tracker in MSFS 2020 and I love it. Would you post your settings for DCS and I can’t seem to get the smooth movement.
Cheers!
I dont think its something most.want to see. I watch mostly on a phone and I rarely have any issue aeeing your.opponent. looks like a great device for the tracking though. ;)
Personally i find the red easier to isolate and overlook. In the cockpit it was really cool to "see" what instrument panel your working.
This is actually so cool! I really like this look and it seems really accurate. Lets see a few Dogfights with this? Maybe a smaller circle but the green really fits in
Yeah I think the circle is a great idea
Would definitely help with your IL2 content. It can be hard to pick the bandits out in the ground clutter despite you having a visual. DCS wise the closure rates are so high as soon as you're at the merge it's not so hard to keep eyes on
I think this will be very helpful for all people watching your videos, even for people who play. Personally I think green would look best for showing where you are looking as it blends in nicely alongside the green in the instruments.
I wonder how lazy eye or cross eyed people can use this
you can make it track just 1 eye if you like lol, guess they've already thought of this.
I feel like the size of it is a bit too big. I liked the grey one for day time use. Maybe the green one could be used for night time. Also I feel like this could be infinitely useful for tutorials, if you ever make one. Love your content, continue the amazing work!
Leave it off. Viewers want to be immersed in the video, not see where your head is. you can see that anyway by where you're looking
Super cool technology but the only time I would like to see that is when bandit is tiny and hard to see maybe in HUD green
Yes, that bubble would help tremendously in helping when you are pointing out bandits. o7
I’m a total noob with DCS and just starting out. My eye tracker (same exact one featured here) arrives today (10/29/23). My use case will be to use it to allow me to “look all around” without having to swivel a hat on my hotas with my thumb or use my keyboard to look around. In my thoughts, the idea of being able to turn my head a bit and have the screen view move to a visual looking aft or even up is very appealing and will make the game more immersive. Fingers crossed. And by the way I am playing DCS on a new 17.3 inch laptop. So far so good!