The lecture's title is awkward. The title of Dr. Stone's excellent book would be more appropriate: "The Russian Army in the Great War: The Eastern Front, 1914-1917" [00:33] Theme global war, not just Western Front [02:51] Cast of Russian Characters, deep shortcomings and problematic relationships [16:10] Development of the war in 1915 [28:45] Ottoman Front [32:08] German & Austro-Hungarian Empire [41:34] Consequences: refugees, persecution of Jews, generals fired and Czar takes command [51:35] Maklakov's speech, the insane driver [52:40] Q&A
All my historically minded friends know this. And I would have thought it applies everywhere.? E.g. at school in Norway we were taught about "the first and second acts of the tragedy", even though Norway was only an active participant in WW2. Also, a large number of countries, in eastern Europe and the Arab world, were formed after the Great War. I would think every citizen in every one of them sees WW1 as significant.
Barbara McDowell Whitt My mother was born in the Lakewood, OH hospital on November 10, 1918. That means she was in utero throughout the Spanish Flu Pandemic . It was a normal pregnancy and birth. She died November 25, 1985. Over the years we sometimes teased her about her birth bringing an end to WWI at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918.
@@whitepanties2751 The Ottomans had massive successes first at the Dardanelles and then at Gallipoli and it took even the best equipped British forces to grind them down late in the war. Austria may have a case though.
@@lkrnpk Very true. AH was truly pathetic the entire war but for the Italian Alpine Front. It's hard to lose there though, they had the high ground across the entire front and were well dug in and even better equipped.
One of the reasons the Eastern Front is not in people memory is probably in part due to the names: Przemyśl was as big a fortress as Verdun and caused the Russians all kinds of headaches. But The Battle of Verdun commits itself to memory better than The Battle of That Place No One Can Pronounce.
Just one point: the alliance treaty between italy Austria and Germany clearly stated that ANY decision regarding wars in the balkans must have been agreed upon by all for the alliance to be in effect. Austria declared war unilaterally to Serbia therefore italy did not feel bound to the treaty Italy had interests in the balkans that were discounted by Austria when it declared war without consulting that is why the clause was in the pact: no respect of the pact meant no war by italy on the side of the central empires
True. Germany blamed Austria-Hungary for alienating Italy, and for creating conditions for Italian entry on the Entente side. But two years later Germany made a far greater, dumber blunder. Though American military force alone did not tip the balance to win the war, the mere fact of American entry, which was avoidable and should have been avoided, instantly made the war unwinnable for the Central Powers. The Central Powers were already losing the crucial food war and the sea war. They lost both irretrievably the day America entered. They also instantly lost the manpower war (pop. of United States = 100 M) and particularly the propaganda war or the whole-purpose-of-the-war war in a disastrous way, wars they were not losing before American entry. A mass mobilization war of attrition depends on popular consent to wage, no matter what the form of government. Unlike Russia, America was a socially strong country that was not going to implode in a heap of revolutionary rage. The Entente got new hope, while suddenly the Central Powers could not answer the people's question of how the war was to be won, how the great sacrifice was all to be made worthwhile. "My older sons died for nothing and my school kids subsist on turnips" is a hard war to sell to moms. Italian participation is an interesting question. It was great for the Entente, but Italy clearly didn't get out of the war what it expected and it's not clear what the right move would have been. War with the Entente would have made even less sense. Continued Italian neutrality might have benefited Italy's weak economy, but since the Entente controlled the Mediterranean and its exits and Italy is all coastline, the Entente would have had greater leverage. Finally, while neither Austria-Hungary nor France was Italy's best friend, Italy's historic liberation struggle and nationalist aims were clearly much more hostile to Austria than to France.
Partly true, but more false than right! Italy also supported Serbia, because the British aristrocracy was within the Italian, Serbian and (less so in the) Russian military. Serbia was against the Austrians and the Romanians, which were together with Italy in the active Triple Alliance. However, it was not a breaker of the Alliance, because it was only a singular target on those. Your argument is proven invalid, however. Italy thought about going against allied Austria & Croatia for territory in Croatia with the Serbs around 1903. (6 years prior to the pact with Russia about the Balkans!!) This fact about the British nobelity within a supposed "national military" wasn't understood by the population of the new "democratic" State of Italy, which formerly belonged to Germany/Austrian Empire, who gave the regions strong autonomacy, but also controlled the military from foreign control. (The Italian military ties with Serbia over the nobility repeated to be problematic in WWII against Yugoslavia.) Italy's government made a neutrality pact with France in 1910, when the British formed hidden offensive pacts independent/not part of Entente, what was also kept away from the British public but also from Germany. The Russians, being in a strong alliance with the French, then supported the aggressive Balkan League (against the Italian speaking territory in Croatia over Bosnia). This was end of 1913. That's why Italy was the "idiot", who not only stayed neutral with France, but was pulled out of the Triple Alliance, officially only in 1915 for no national reason. Instead, it got promised further land from Austria (South Tirol and in Croatia) and Britain waged further offensive attack on Germany. It was just clear that Italy got sideplayed after the war, because the only guarantor would have been Germany for these areas, because they were never Italian territory under International Law. They have only settled there, but belonged to parts of the German Reich, even with the Venezians. That gave rise to Fascism, because for obvious reasons Italy got nothing real out of their behavior against their former Allies Germany and Austria, and used all the international credit to atleast get something. It even resulted in problems with the Croats were never were such. The Italian "National Movement" prior to WW1 was pretty much influenced by British interests, restricting any real Italian influence. Conclusion: The Italians could never have been neutral for anybody in the Entente.
6:00 -17:00 are particularly insightful in identifying the human factors that made Russia weak at the beginning of WW1. Like this historian says repeatedly, many of the problems that Russia had, all other nations militaries had, but Russia had it worse. Russia had it worse.
what Russia had was a curse of high intelligence without institutions to channel it. a country with dumber people would have been better than Russia. what Russia needs are fewer but better ideas.
An important omission from this account is the forced resettlement of up to 1,5 million Jews in the vicinity of St, Petersburg and Moscow. Even before the war, many Jews had been attracted to the revolutionary socialist parties, because they were angry and frightened by the pogroms, which Nicholas, whether intentionally as a result of poor judgement, had encouraged, T hey were also angry about up to a hundred years of discriminatory legislation that had been imposed on them by the imperial government. These discontented, forcibly exiled from their homes in Poland, Galicia. andand Ukraine , Jews formed a critical mass of discontented people who hated the government, and who lent a receptive ear to the leftist demagogues who called for its overthrow. I believe that is highly probable that these Jews formed a large part of the crowds that rose up against the monarchy in February-March 1917, and possibly also among the crowds that supported th Booolshevik coup in October/November 1917.
Incredible lecture. I think the chapter titles are autogenerated? The chapter starting at 30:11 refers to the Turkish city of Sarıkamış as "Tsar's Image." 😂 Not a terrible guess.
All that and still no one can answer why Russia felt the need to back Serbia after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? I know they had a treaty but does that include acts of terrorism?
Serbia asked for help, Russia saw Serbia as a buffer with Austria and some Serb agricultural products weren't available anywhere else. www.firstworldwar.com/source/serbianappealforhelp.htm
Russia historically saw itself as the protector of all Slavs everywhere. In part this was in response to blatant bias by the members of German and Austrian elites. The Kaiser once remarked to Franz Josef that, "..Slavs are born to serve. If they think they can govern they must be disabused of this notion..." Thats something or a paraphrase but its close. Now there was also something of a posture on Russia's part but, when Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia, the Russian governing elite believed that turning its back on Serbia would be a serious blow to its prestige as a great power. The Czar was very hesitant interestingly enough but in the end he gave in and declared war. In truth, he had little choice. The Kaiser had already declared war on Russia so there was not much else that poor Nicholas could have done. So it was part national pride, part altruism and a good measure of pragmatic necessity. Did that help at all?
Very interesting lecture! Is the Russian army doing any better in 2023 than it did in 1915? @1:02:00 one point that is often underestimated (or at least, not fully appreciated) is the religious dimension. Russia and Serbia were both orthodox, while the parts of Russia which are present-day Poland is Catholic, just as much of Austria-Hungary (although the Austrian empire was a patchwork of ethnic groups). This is still the case, and so even today, Serbia leans towards supporting Russia in the war with Ukraine.
No. First of all, the Russian military was based on Western/German military until Communism. In WW2, the Soviets still had Western educated military leaders before Stalin killed them, even though new tactics were developed in contrast to Western military traditions with swarm and tank masses. Modern Neo-Soviet Russia has the Soviet tactics without the swarm, also lacking former inhabitants. In WW1, they had their military based opon mass, too. The Russians defeated Austria-Hungary through own suicide. Russia and Serbia were linked through Socialism, not honest religiousy, because the churchs were infiltrated by communists. Serbia was used by Russia in the past, in the 1990's, because Serbians think Russia saved them from Islam 200 years ago and also around 1910. The Ukraine dissolved the Soviet Union in 1990 and was against Socialism. Therefor it collapsed also in Serbia, but mainly in Russia. With the Balkan wars in the 1990's, Serbia tried to pull the Ukraine also back to Moscow, but Ukraine helped Croatia and the Austrians. Poland was formerly also Austria once, not only Prussia. Catholicism was a big driver against communism, not against true orthodoxy. Orthodoxy was just communist since 100 years, and therefor against Catholicism.
With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde (Muscovy ) budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher
At 7:02, there's a reference to (misplaced) respect etc., as an example of which are stories of him breaking up German spy rings pistol in hand etc. - how is it known that this is something "spontaneous" from the populace, as opposed to something seeded from a "governmental propaganda arm", say?
The 'ridged alliance system' is responsible for the start of the war. Because of these alliances had automatic commitments,(if this happens, then do that, if your allies go to war you go to war, etc). After the start is a different story
Yes. But still the British had no reason to declare war on Germany, they did so for political reasons. Also the Italians tried themselves to duck, but had nothing from it to change sides.
A bit bewildered in that France had a military alliance with Russia for a while before 1914. They had military attachés in Russia. France was a European superpower then. Yet I don’t see France pointing out some of the obvious flaws with the Imperial Russian army. Were they too eager to go to war against Germany to regain the lost territories? They viewed Russia as a steamroller but they had to have seen that Russia was a paper steamroller.
France was heavily investing in Russian industry and railways. They didn’t have a choice on the timing of the war. In fact one of the reasons Berlin was willing to back Vienna and risk war in 1914 was fear that Russia’s rapid growth fueled by French investment would be an insurmountable challenge for Germany within in the foreseeable future. Then, once the war began, France and Britain urgently needed all available capital for their own war industries . In fact in 1914 both Russia and Austria-Hungary were on the brink of becoming first rank developed powers over the next couple of decades, say by 1940. On the eve of war, Austria-Hungary was the fourth biggest producer of machine tools and Russia’s abolition of serfdom had been paid off and was producing a substantial agricultural surplus that could be invested in industrial development. WW1 threw all that away. In fact global trade as a proportion of world GDP did not recover to 1914 levels until the 1970s.
In a word. Yes. Christopher Clark's brilliant Book "Sleepwalkers" looks in depth at the motiviations and actions of the various powers in the lead up to the war. And while he purposefully states that he is not in the blame game and does not think it's accurate to "blame" any one country for the war significantly more than any other. I disagree. In my opinion France is principally to blame for WW1. Their entire international strategy since 1872 had been to avenge the defeat of 1871. There was no way to do that absent war. And allying with Russia was their only sure fire path to gaining the advantage they thought they could get which would justify the risk. They even went so far as to give a name to the strategy for sparking the conflict. Namely the "Balkan inception".
Russia and France were allied not because of any love or for strong military partnerships. First, the Russians hate the French because of Napoleon. This is even reoccuring today around Western orientated Russians. Not only did it question the Zarist hegemony and economy, it also pushed the Polish against the Russians. France used the alliance with Russia for war preparation against Germany and military arms race. They were not interested in a strong Russia, if they wanted to collect Central Europe and again attacking Russia like under Napoleon. The Russians only said yes to it, because Germany didn't backed the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia. The problem was, that Russia didn't knew how to stay important. So they took financial credits in France, mainly to support their east with railroads against the Japanese and support French Indochina.
@@overworlder Germany backed Austria because both were strong allies, not because of Russian growth. Also, the French didn't invest in Russia, it was the Germans. The French only were creditors to Russia. Because Russia attacked Austria through Serbia, and then mobilized its troops, Germany moved into Belgium to attack France. France did use the pact with Russia for their own war industry prior to the war, because they wanted to fight Germany. The only correct point was, that Russia increased agricultural surplus. The funfact was: That was due to the German investments, and this "Russian region" was mainly the Ukraine which became independent after the Russian loss on the Eastern front.
The Russians, taken as a whole, were bright enough. Just not as good at catching up as the Japanese. I wish a presentation would be made that would detail how far far behind the Russians were in education, for centuries. One catches the occasional glimpse when reading time off a watch is considered a special skill set. Think about that one for a moment. I caught PBS special about the average russian peasant in the 1960s. It was shocking, stunning unbelievable. The dull zombie look in the eyes of a serf. Then they were taught to read. Suddenly, the light of a human touched their faces. You had to see this special to believe it. I am very unconvincing here, but trust me, you would be SHOCKED. Funny how things come full circle. The average russian looks at the average American, sees an obese, lazy zombie, face glued to a cell phone like an alien face hugger, with a blunted intelligence, 5 second attention span and is similarly unimpressed.
+Emil Nicolaie Perhinschi 8 actually. Austria-Hungary, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and the Ottomans. Compared to the rest of pre-war Europe, the density of states was quite high.
Ok so how does that allow the rise of facism???? Being that italy first was an ally to Western alliance. The axis partners in Italy and Germany were enemies in ww1. And, 2nd they didn't even suffer near the amount of casualties that the other allies suffered.
Things were bad enough in other spheres, but I think the WW1 Western front gets more publicity, because there is a special place in hell for the authorities, who put those young men through the savagery and carnage, of that experience, which has its own particular high level of horror, above all other experiences, in human history
Not as high as the holocaust and the starvation of 5 million Ukrainians by Stalin - babies, children, women and men were in both, unarmed and defenceless unlike the 'young men'
The gentleman is almost perfect. But the Schlieffen plan didn't fail, what actually failed was it's pathetic execution by the unworthy nephew and namesake of the great strategist. If only everything was thrown on Paris through the vast wheeling movement encompassing not only Belgium but Holland as well then the war would be ended at least on the western front. Actually the Schlieffen's idea, although modified, was realised most triumphantly in 1940. Maybe even the state of the technology wouldn't allow the correct execution of the Schlieffen plan in 1914, without tanks and aviation. I'm not a partisan of German imperialism but if the slaughter had been terminated by 1915 even at the price of a German total victory (and the German appetites were so vegan in 14 in comparison with 40!) then three Empires would be saved with millions of their subjects, including last but not least the Jews.
I was amazed at the whitewashing of Nicolas II's character in the beginning of the lecture. Being the dictator of an empire of millions, in which serfdom is upheld, and believing you are divinely ordained to uphold this system unchanged, makes you a bad man. Doesn't matter that you love your wife and kids. Especially when you're also a people pleaser showing little integrity when dealing with others. That's not a good man, that is a small man catapulted by chance into a position where he is able to crush the lives of millions - which he did. People imagine that since someone isn't a malignant narcissist, we shouldn't call them bad. No. Perfectly average people who misuse the power given them are by default bad.
No one is whitewashing anything. You can perfectly be a good man and a bad ruler. Also serfdom was abolished in 1861, before even the birth of Nicholas II.
@@samuelhoran7898He could go easy way of Western democracies and had functional parliament and goverment so he could dedicate more time to his wife and kids.
UNG! Dud he really say that Nicholas II or Russian was a "good man"? David Stone doesn't know the first thing about how Nicholas ruled or does not understand what the term "good man" is meant to mean if he believes that!
Nicolas 2 was an incompetent leader, an antisemite, racist (his views of Japanese people) and at his worst a defender of autocracy (bloody Sunday … among other things) but he was someone who deeply cared about and loved his family. That cant be denied. He put up with Rasputin being in his court, just because he believed he could keep his son from bleeding, his wife also wanted Rasputin around because she also believed the same thing, and Nicolas had some other wild ideas about the Russian peasantry Oh wow dude I’m listening to the speaker, say the exact same thing about his love for his family, as an example of him being a good man. Could you not have listened for like two more minutes?
@@bentrinker1937 Being antisemitic in 1900 among european christians was a nonevent. You were far more likely to stick out if you weren't. Our perceptions of antisemitism are colored by WW2 but before WW2 it was common. Probably more common than islamophobia today. You can't really judge people by our standards. There was only a minority who wasn't antisemitic back then. So you can't really judge him for that since odds are your ancestors were the same. Same goes with racism. Unless you want a blanket condemnation of 80% of everyone that was around back then. Antisemitism was not a statistical rarity it was very common. After WW2 most antisemites suddenly forgot their prewar attitudes 'I didn't have any problem with them it was just those nazis yeah only them'. Sure buddy only them not 80% of every european alive back then. So Nicholas cannot be taken to task for something that he was in the majority at the time. You can only take someone to task when he's a clear minority when it comes to an opinion. Which for antisemitism would only be post-45 officially and post-75 unofficially. Actually probably closer to 85. Only when the postwar generation reached middle age.That's the true Europe.
I remember that during his coronation the bread was thrown to masses of hungry people, the country was in deep need of widespread reforms, but he ignored that more or less. No wonder 1917 was such violent event.
Hearing this presentation you get a deep appreciation of how far the Communists took Russia in just 24 years. For all its faults, the Soviet Union and especially its armed forces look very little like their Tsarist fathers. They were going into the future and were happy about that. And they won.
At what cost, millions dead as a result of Stalin's criminality and megalomania. Not to mention whatever propaganda present day Russians say without massive western aid with trucks,tanks,planes and incredibly importantly FOOD the Soviets would have fallen. Even with all that aid it was an incredibly Close run thing. If the Japanese had invaded from the east it would have been all over Red Rover for the Soviets.
“For all its faults” is the key point there, these faults were too huge for the material gain. Russia only won ultimately because they had the biggest global empires on their side, huge US support saved them logistically. The brutal industrialisation under Stalin was a rushed effort based off the pre 1914 projection, Russia had a literacy rate of over 80% before ww1 and was projected to be the worlds leading economy by 1940. Tsarist Russia had rapid improvement in industry and standard of living, the communists did not affect this much, in fact they reversed it for a couple decades of civil war, in fighting and sacrificing the workers they were supposed to represent to make material profit.
Yeah, it was super great more pogroms, millions died of starvation‘s in two great famine‘s, a civil war, religious repressions by an aggressively atheist state. How lucky are these people than to be delivered into the great terror 1937-1938 and 2 more wars of expansion followed by the military disaster of 1940-1941
Lol what a "professional" historian. Argumenting on the size of the airforce, ''because some guy just tought it would be cool to have an airforce''. Technical backwardness, however the nation manages to fight against divisions Austrians, Germans, Turks at the same time. Producing own machine guns, amo, building armored trains (better than german), building biggest airforce. Producing the first automatic rifle, the Federov rifle. I don't think we are talking about a backward army here. BTW Nicholas II became the chief commander in 1915, front was stabilized and ethnic population of Russian empire was more than 65 %.
Russia's problem was the disintegration of the regime's connection with the people and purpose of the war, worsened by corruption and material shortages. This wasn't a random event. Only one year of war, and with Japan, which threatened only Russia's remotest imperial ambitions rather than the nation, had been enough to trigger a precursor or a severe stress indicator in 1905. It's a bit of a wonder that Russia lasted about three years against the Central Powers. No land Russia lost to military defeat, or at Brest-Litovsk, even had a Russian population. Even modern Russia is without that land. Regime collapse and the civil war, which reflected Russia's real problems, were worse fates than losing to the Central Powers. Russia was only the first of several to implode. When Bulgaria eventually collapsed in September 1918, the Central Powers lost the war. Ironically, Bulgaria quit the war because it had won the war in terms of what victory meant to Bulgaria, but it could not exit because this was World War 1, not Balkan War 3. With nothing else to gain, Bulgaria had passed the point of suffering and dying for the imperial aims of the other three Central Powers, and Bulgarians weren't willing to do that for long. Austria-Hungary also imploded into fragments between the Bulgarian armistice and the general November armistice, but it was already showing breakdown stress. When your Emperor dies midwar and you only half bother to replace him, and when thousands of your own subjects and ex-POW are in the enemy trenches fighting you, your Empire is toast. The war stressed all participants, it just didn't push them all over the edge. France had a mutiny, which came close. Britain experienced Irish rebellion, closely followed by actual loss of Ireland in a wave of voter rage, fully validating the rebellion. The Central Powers starved and rioted. The most mildly stressed belligerent was the United States and even it significantly changed, with the war driving the end of Progressivism and a hard switch to conservatism and isolation ("normalcy"), not only in November 1920 but in the armistice midterms of 1918.
TBF The only reason russia has a strong navy is because tsar Peter liked boating and ships as a kid. Ya might not like the answers but that is life under nobility and feudal lords.
I love this episode. Dr. Stone is great and the topic is one of my favorites.
The lecture's title is awkward. The title of Dr. Stone's excellent book would be more appropriate: "The Russian Army in the Great War: The Eastern Front, 1914-1917"
[00:33] Theme global war, not just Western Front
[02:51] Cast of Russian Characters, deep shortcomings and problematic relationships
[16:10] Development of the war in 1915
[28:45] Ottoman Front
[32:08] German & Austro-Hungarian Empire
[41:34] Consequences: refugees, persecution of Jews, generals fired and Czar takes command
[51:35] Maklakov's speech, the insane driver
[52:40] Q&A
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Good lecture as always from this organization. Such a shame that more people don't see the vast historical significance of WWI.
I think people do know that it was extremely important. I just think they don't know the why of it.
All my historically minded friends know this. And I would have thought it applies everywhere.? E.g. at school in Norway we were taught about "the first and second acts of the tragedy", even though Norway was only an active participant in WW2.
Also, a large number of countries, in eastern Europe and the Arab world, were formed after the Great War. I would think every citizen in every one of them sees WW1 as significant.
Finally someone with some valid knowledge. Thank you for your very good presentation. We should have more of that kind.
This was a fantastic lecture.
Barbara McDowell Whitt My mother was born in the Lakewood, OH hospital on November 10, 1918. That means she was in utero throughout the Spanish Flu Pandemic . It was a normal pregnancy and birth. She died November 25, 1985. Over the years we sometimes teased her about her birth bringing an end to WWI at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918.
"All armies suffer from this problem. It's worse for Russia ... " Such a true and memorable comment. Brilliant.
except for Austro-Hungary perhaps, they were the most pathetic...
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Or the Ottomans?
@@whitepanties2751 The Ottomans had massive successes first at the Dardanelles and then at Gallipoli and it took even the best equipped British forces to grind them down late in the war. Austria may have a case though.
@@lkrnpk Very true. AH was truly pathetic the entire war but for the Italian Alpine Front. It's hard to lose there though, they had the high ground across the entire front and were well dug in and even better equipped.
Excellent presentation from Dr. Stone. Please do keep them coming.
One of the reasons the Eastern Front is not in people memory is probably in part due to the names: Przemyśl was as big a fortress as Verdun and caused the Russians all kinds of headaches. But The Battle of Verdun commits itself to memory better than The Battle of That Place No One Can Pronounce.
Interesting presentation. Thank you for posting
Listening to this in fall 2022 I can't help but think of Marx's old line 'History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.'
I don't think the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a farce!
Very good presentation maps, wish I could have seen them and his tiny laser pointer spots.
Just one point: the alliance treaty between italy Austria and Germany clearly stated that ANY decision regarding wars in the balkans must have been agreed upon by all for the alliance to be in effect.
Austria declared war unilaterally to Serbia therefore italy did not feel bound to the treaty
Italy had interests in the balkans that were discounted by Austria when it declared war without consulting that is why the clause was in the pact: no respect of the pact meant no war by italy on the side of the central empires
True. Germany blamed Austria-Hungary for alienating Italy, and for creating conditions for Italian entry on the Entente side. But two years later Germany made a far greater, dumber blunder. Though American military force alone did not tip the balance to win the war, the mere fact of American entry, which was avoidable and should have been avoided, instantly made the war unwinnable for the Central Powers. The Central Powers were already losing the crucial food war and the sea war. They lost both irretrievably the day America entered. They also instantly lost the manpower war (pop. of United States = 100 M) and particularly the propaganda war or the whole-purpose-of-the-war war in a disastrous way, wars they were not losing before American entry. A mass mobilization war of attrition depends on popular consent to wage, no matter what the form of government. Unlike Russia, America was a socially strong country that was not going to implode in a heap of revolutionary rage. The Entente got new hope, while suddenly the Central Powers could not answer the people's question of how the war was to be won, how the great sacrifice was all to be made worthwhile. "My older sons died for nothing and my school kids subsist on turnips" is a hard war to sell to moms.
Italian participation is an interesting question. It was great for the Entente, but Italy clearly didn't get out of the war what it expected and it's not clear what the right move would have been. War with the Entente would have made even less sense. Continued Italian neutrality might have benefited Italy's weak economy, but since the Entente controlled the Mediterranean and its exits and Italy is all coastline, the Entente would have had greater leverage. Finally, while neither Austria-Hungary nor France was Italy's best friend, Italy's historic liberation struggle and nationalist aims were clearly much more hostile to Austria than to France.
Partly true, but more false than right! Italy also supported Serbia, because the British aristrocracy was within the Italian, Serbian and (less so in the) Russian military. Serbia was against the Austrians and the Romanians, which were together with Italy in the active Triple Alliance. However, it was not a breaker of the Alliance, because it was only a singular target on those. Your argument is proven invalid, however. Italy thought about going against allied Austria & Croatia for territory in Croatia with the Serbs around 1903. (6 years prior to the pact with Russia about the Balkans!!)
This fact about the British nobelity within a supposed "national military" wasn't understood by the population of the new "democratic" State of Italy, which formerly belonged to Germany/Austrian Empire, who gave the regions strong autonomacy, but also controlled the military from foreign control. (The Italian military ties with Serbia over the nobility repeated to be problematic in WWII against Yugoslavia.)
Italy's government made a neutrality pact with France in 1910, when the British formed hidden offensive pacts independent/not part of Entente, what was also kept away from the British public but also from Germany. The Russians, being in a strong alliance with the French, then supported the aggressive Balkan League (against the Italian speaking territory in Croatia over Bosnia). This was end of 1913. That's why Italy was the "idiot", who not only stayed neutral with France, but was pulled out of the Triple Alliance, officially only in 1915 for no national reason. Instead, it got promised further land from Austria (South Tirol and in Croatia) and Britain waged further offensive attack on Germany. It was just clear that Italy got sideplayed after the war, because the only guarantor would have been Germany for these areas, because they were never Italian territory under International Law. They have only settled there, but belonged to parts of the German Reich, even with the Venezians. That gave rise to Fascism, because for obvious reasons Italy got nothing real out of their behavior against their former Allies Germany and Austria, and used all the international credit to atleast get something. It even resulted in problems with the Croats were never were such. The Italian "National Movement" prior to WW1 was pretty much influenced by British interests, restricting any real Italian influence.
Conclusion: The Italians could never have been neutral for anybody in the Entente.
would love it if someone can post his following lecture at the same event?
Excellent speaker and interesting topic. Had no idea that fewer than 50% of the Russian empire were ethnic Russians.
6:00 -17:00 are particularly insightful in identifying the human factors that made Russia weak at the beginning of WW1. Like this historian says repeatedly, many of the problems that Russia had, all other nations militaries had, but Russia had it worse. Russia had it worse.
what Russia had was a curse of high intelligence without institutions to channel it. a country with dumber people would have been better than Russia. what Russia needs are fewer but better ideas.
Well Done Sir pace timing style excellent presentation thank you
Great content and excellent presentation, thanks for posting.
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Love this guys passion, also great breakdown
Really good speaker. Very enjoyable presentation and a good topic.
Great lecture!
An important omission from this account is the forced resettlement of up to 1,5 million Jews in the vicinity of St, Petersburg and Moscow. Even before the war, many Jews had been attracted to the revolutionary socialist parties, because they were angry and frightened by the pogroms, which Nicholas, whether intentionally as a result of poor judgement, had encouraged, T hey were also angry about up to a hundred years of discriminatory legislation that had been imposed on them by the imperial government. These discontented, forcibly exiled from their homes in Poland, Galicia. andand Ukraine , Jews formed a critical mass of discontented people who hated the government, and who lent a receptive ear to the leftist demagogues who called for its overthrow. I believe that is highly probable that these Jews formed a large part of the crowds that rose up against the monarchy in February-March 1917, and possibly also among the crowds that supported th Booolshevik coup in October/November 1917.
Why were they the victims of pogroms? Why do so many people have problems with them? they are not pure victims. There are 2 sides to everything.
Always ask why though? Why were they discriminated against? there are 2 sides to this
Every minority in the empire got discriminatory treatment at different levels at different times. Ask the Circassians.
Don't care
Compelling lecture, but thought I'd add--Alexandra didn't just know Kaiser Wilhelm, they were relatives, more specifically cousins!
Did the czar get commands through an earpiece? Did he ever blurted out "salute the marines " by mistake instead of actually saluting the marines?
Of course the Serbian front is nonexistent
I know I know
Send a link that covers all fronts in lectures and I be happy but I doubt my chances
Why was the afternoon presentation not shared?
Wonderful!
good work
Incredible lecture.
I think the chapter titles are autogenerated? The chapter starting at 30:11 refers to the Turkish city of Sarıkamış as "Tsar's Image." 😂 Not a terrible guess.
A great summary
All that and still no one can answer why Russia felt the need to back Serbia after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? I know they had a treaty but does that include acts of terrorism?
Terrorism??? Really???
Serbia asked for help, Russia saw Serbia as a buffer with Austria and some Serb agricultural products weren't available anywhere else.
www.firstworldwar.com/source/serbianappealforhelp.htm
We really do need more info about this.
Russia historically saw itself as the protector of all Slavs everywhere. In part this was in response to blatant bias by the members of German and Austrian elites. The Kaiser once remarked to Franz Josef that, "..Slavs are born to serve. If they think they can govern they must be disabused of this notion..." Thats something or a paraphrase but its close. Now there was also something of a posture on Russia's part but, when Austria Hungary declared war on Serbia, the Russian governing elite believed that turning its back on Serbia would be a serious blow to its prestige as a great power. The Czar was very hesitant interestingly enough but in the end he gave in and declared war. In truth, he had little choice. The Kaiser had already declared war on Russia so there was not much else that poor Nicholas could have done. So it was part national pride, part altruism and a good measure of pragmatic necessity. Did that help at all?
REALLY, State sponsored..
Very interesting lecture! Is the Russian army doing any better in 2023 than it did in 1915?
@1:02:00 one point that is often underestimated (or at least, not fully appreciated) is the religious dimension. Russia and Serbia were both orthodox, while the parts of Russia which are present-day Poland is Catholic, just as much of Austria-Hungary (although the Austrian empire was a patchwork of ethnic groups). This is still the case, and so even today, Serbia leans towards supporting Russia in the war with Ukraine.
No. First of all, the Russian military was based on Western/German military until Communism. In WW2, the Soviets still had Western educated military leaders before Stalin killed them, even though new tactics were developed in contrast to Western military traditions with swarm and tank masses. Modern Neo-Soviet Russia has the Soviet tactics without the swarm, also lacking former inhabitants. In WW1, they had their military based opon mass, too. The Russians defeated Austria-Hungary through own suicide. Russia and Serbia were linked through Socialism, not honest religiousy, because the churchs were infiltrated by communists. Serbia was used by Russia in the past, in the 1990's, because Serbians think Russia saved them from Islam 200 years ago and also around 1910. The Ukraine dissolved the Soviet Union in 1990 and was against Socialism. Therefor it collapsed also in Serbia, but mainly in Russia. With the Balkan wars in the 1990's, Serbia tried to pull the Ukraine also back to Moscow, but Ukraine helped Croatia and the Austrians. Poland was formerly also Austria once, not only Prussia. Catholicism was a big driver against communism, not against true orthodoxy. Orthodoxy was just communist since 100 years, and therefor against Catholicism.
With cost of “black gold” at 15-23 dollars per barrel, the USSR economy collapsed, and the sovok itself collapsed, and the "golden" horde (Muscovy ) budget can only be fulfilled only with oil price at $ 42.4 and higher
The reason that people don't think much of Yanuskovich is his later failures in the Civil War
At 7:02, there's a reference to (misplaced) respect etc., as an example of which are stories of him breaking up German spy rings pistol in hand etc. - how is it known that this is something "spontaneous" from the populace, as opposed to something seeded from a "governmental propaganda arm", say?
I'm fairly sure that, within the restrictions of the documents available (thanks, Putin), David wouldn't have made such a claim.
The 'ridged alliance system' is responsible for the start of the war. Because of these alliances had automatic commitments,(if this happens, then do that, if your allies go to war you go to war, etc). After the start is a different story
Yes. But still the British had no reason to declare war on Germany, they did so for political reasons. Also the Italians tried themselves to duck, but had nothing from it to change sides.
His voice and patterns of his speaking sound a lot like director Ron Howard.
The Tsar and his family didn't deserve their fates.
A bit bewildered in that France had a military alliance with Russia for a while before 1914. They had military attachés in Russia. France was a European superpower then. Yet I don’t see France pointing out some of the obvious flaws with the Imperial Russian army. Were they too eager to go to war against Germany to regain the lost territories? They viewed Russia as a steamroller but they had to have seen that Russia was a paper steamroller.
France was heavily investing in Russian industry and railways. They didn’t have a choice on the timing of the war. In fact one of the reasons Berlin was willing to back Vienna and risk war in 1914 was fear that Russia’s rapid growth fueled by French investment would be an insurmountable challenge for Germany within in the foreseeable future.
Then, once the war began, France and Britain urgently needed all available capital for their own war industries .
In fact in 1914 both Russia and Austria-Hungary were on the brink of becoming first rank developed powers over the next couple of decades, say by 1940. On the eve of war, Austria-Hungary was the fourth biggest producer of machine tools and Russia’s abolition of serfdom had been paid off and was producing a substantial agricultural surplus that could be invested in industrial development. WW1 threw all that away.
In fact global trade as a proportion of world GDP did not recover to 1914 levels until the 1970s.
In a word. Yes. Christopher Clark's brilliant Book "Sleepwalkers" looks in depth at the motiviations and actions of the various powers in the lead up to the war. And while he purposefully states that he is not in the blame game and does not think it's accurate to "blame" any one country for the war significantly more than any other. I disagree. In my opinion France is principally to blame for WW1. Their entire international strategy since 1872 had been to avenge the defeat of 1871. There was no way to do that absent war. And allying with Russia was their only sure fire path to gaining the advantage they thought they could get which would justify the risk. They even went so far as to give a name to the strategy for sparking the conflict. Namely the "Balkan inception".
Post Franco Prussian war France was a superpower?
Russia and France were allied not because of any love or for strong military partnerships. First, the Russians hate the French because of Napoleon. This is even reoccuring today around Western orientated Russians. Not only did it question the Zarist hegemony and economy, it also pushed the Polish against the Russians. France used the alliance with Russia for war preparation against Germany and military arms race. They were not interested in a strong Russia, if they wanted to collect Central Europe and again attacking Russia like under Napoleon. The Russians only said yes to it, because Germany didn't backed the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia. The problem was, that Russia didn't knew how to stay important. So they took financial credits in France, mainly to support their east with railroads against the Japanese and support French Indochina.
@@overworlder Germany backed Austria because both were strong allies, not because of Russian growth. Also, the French didn't invest in Russia, it was the Germans. The French only were creditors to Russia. Because Russia attacked Austria through Serbia, and then mobilized its troops, Germany moved into Belgium to attack France. France did use the pact with Russia for their own war industry prior to the war, because they wanted to fight Germany. The only correct point was, that Russia increased agricultural surplus. The funfact was: That was due to the German investments, and this "Russian region" was mainly the Ukraine which became independent after the Russian loss on the Eastern front.
The Russians, taken as a whole, were bright enough. Just not as good at catching up as the Japanese. I wish a presentation would be made that would detail how far far behind the Russians were in education, for centuries. One catches the occasional glimpse when reading time off a watch is considered a special skill set. Think about that one for a moment. I caught PBS special about the average russian peasant in the 1960s. It was shocking, stunning unbelievable. The dull zombie look in the eyes of a serf. Then they were taught to read. Suddenly, the light of a human touched their faces. You had to see this special to believe it. I am very unconvincing here, but trust me, you would be SHOCKED. Funny how things come full circle. The average russian looks at the average American, sees an obese, lazy zombie, face glued to a cell phone like an alien face hugger, with a blunted intelligence, 5 second attention span and is similarly unimpressed.
Plus, many social agendas that don't have much to do with actually learning anything.
Do you have a link or a name of the PBS special? I'd like to watch it
"there is lots of states in the Balkans" ... there were 5 states in the Balkans at that time .. not sure it counts as "lots"
+Emil Nicolaie Perhinschi 8 actually. Austria-Hungary, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and the Ottomans. Compared to the rest of pre-war Europe, the density of states was quite high.
It's a lot of states, especially given the relatively small size of the region.
9 actually as Hungary was a nation too.
Starts each sentence strong but by end of sentence you can barely make out the last few words.
what a terrible place Russia was/is!
Russia's war culture seems not to have changed.
The Russian way of war has not changed.
Of course the Italian front isn t even mentioned among the forgotten fronts.
No wonder fascism arose: deaths are all equally impactful people.
Ok so how does that allow the rise of facism???? Being that italy first was an ally to Western alliance. The axis partners in Italy and Germany were enemies in ww1. And, 2nd they didn't even suffer near the amount of casualties that the other allies suffered.
Things were bad enough in other spheres, but I think the WW1 Western front gets more publicity, because there is a special place in hell for the authorities, who put those young men through the savagery and carnage, of that experience, which has its own particular high level of horror, above all other experiences, in human history
Not as high as the holocaust and the starvation of 5 million Ukrainians by Stalin - babies, children, women and men were in both, unarmed and defenceless unlike the 'young men'
The gentleman is almost perfect. But the Schlieffen plan didn't fail, what actually failed was it's pathetic execution by the unworthy nephew and namesake of the great strategist. If only everything was thrown on Paris through the vast wheeling movement encompassing not only Belgium but Holland as well then the war would be ended at least on the western front. Actually the Schlieffen's idea, although modified, was realised most triumphantly in 1940. Maybe even the state of the technology wouldn't allow the correct execution of the Schlieffen plan in 1914, without tanks and aviation. I'm not a partisan of German imperialism but if the slaughter had been terminated by 1915 even at the price of a German total victory (and the German appetites were so vegan in 14 in comparison with 40!) then three Empires would be saved with millions of their subjects, including last but not least the Jews.
I was amazed at the whitewashing of Nicolas II's character in the beginning of the lecture. Being the dictator of an empire of millions, in which serfdom is upheld, and believing you are divinely ordained to uphold this system unchanged, makes you a bad man. Doesn't matter that you love your wife and kids. Especially when you're also a people pleaser showing little integrity when dealing with others. That's not a good man, that is a small man catapulted by chance into a position where he is able to crush the lives of millions - which he did.
People imagine that since someone isn't a malignant narcissist, we shouldn't call them bad. No. Perfectly average people who misuse the power given them are by default bad.
So, why do you feel your analysis is more accurate than the one here?
No one is whitewashing anything. You can perfectly be a good man and a bad ruler. Also serfdom was abolished in 1861, before even the birth of Nicholas II.
@@samuelhoran7898He could go easy way of Western democracies and had functional parliament and goverment so he could dedicate more time to his wife and kids.
Wow. The Russian army hasn't changed much.
The Red Army had some impressive generals...Rokossovsky, Zhukov, Konev, Vatutin etc...
Straining out gnats and swallowing camels....
30:40 sarikamish diseaster
UNG! Dud he really say that Nicholas II or Russian was a "good man"? David Stone doesn't know the first thing about how Nicholas ruled or does not understand what the term "good man" is meant to mean if he believes that!
Nicolas 2 was an incompetent leader, an antisemite, racist (his views of Japanese people) and at his worst a defender of autocracy (bloody Sunday … among other things) but he was someone who deeply cared about and loved his family. That cant be denied.
He put up with Rasputin being in his court, just because he believed he could keep his son from bleeding, his wife also wanted Rasputin around because she also believed the same thing, and Nicolas had some other wild ideas about the Russian peasantry
Oh wow dude I’m listening to the speaker, say the exact same thing about his love for his family, as an example of him being a good man. Could you not have listened for like two more minutes?
@@bentrinker1937 Being antisemitic in 1900 among european christians was a nonevent. You were far more likely to stick out if you weren't. Our perceptions of antisemitism are colored by WW2 but before WW2 it was common. Probably more common than islamophobia today. You can't really judge people by our standards. There was only a minority who wasn't antisemitic back then. So you can't really judge him for that since odds are your ancestors were the same. Same goes with racism. Unless you want a blanket condemnation of 80% of everyone that was around back then. Antisemitism was not a statistical rarity it was very common. After WW2 most antisemites suddenly forgot their prewar attitudes 'I didn't have any problem with them it was just those nazis yeah only them'. Sure buddy only them not 80% of every european alive back then. So Nicholas cannot be taken to task for something that he was in the majority at the time. You can only take someone to task when he's a clear minority when it comes to an opinion. Which for antisemitism would only be post-45 officially and post-75 unofficially. Actually probably closer to 85. Only when the postwar generation reached middle age.That's the true Europe.
I remember that during his coronation the bread was thrown to masses of hungry people, the country was in deep need of widespread reforms, but he ignored that more or less. No wonder 1917 was such violent event.
Thank you for a wonderful lecture. I would just like to point out that there were some 600,000 Jews fighting in the Russian army.
russia has always wanted land, and more land. now they have prussia and they keep it.
They don't have Prussia. All they have is the tiny Kaliningrad / Königsberg region (5,800 sq mi).
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Hearing this presentation you get a deep appreciation of how far the Communists took Russia in just 24 years. For all its faults, the Soviet Union and especially its armed forces look very little like their Tsarist fathers. They were going into the future and were happy about that. And they won.
At what cost, millions dead as a result of Stalin's criminality and megalomania. Not to mention whatever propaganda present day Russians say without massive western aid with trucks,tanks,planes and incredibly importantly FOOD the Soviets would have fallen. Even with all that aid it was an incredibly Close run thing. If the Japanese had invaded from the east it would have been all over Red Rover for the Soviets.
“For all its faults” is the key point there, these faults were too huge for the material gain. Russia only won ultimately because they had the biggest global empires on their side, huge US support saved them logistically. The brutal industrialisation under Stalin was a rushed effort based off the pre 1914 projection, Russia had a literacy rate of over 80% before ww1 and was projected to be the worlds leading economy by 1940. Tsarist Russia had rapid improvement in industry and standard of living, the communists did not affect this much, in fact they reversed it for a couple decades of civil war, in fighting and sacrificing the workers they were supposed to represent to make material profit.
Yeah, it was super great more pogroms, millions died of starvation‘s in two great famine‘s, a civil war, religious repressions by an aggressively atheist state. How lucky are these people than to be delivered into the great terror 1937-1938 and 2 more wars of expansion followed by the military disaster of 1940-1941
He’s talking in an echo chamber, and the result is an excruciating ordeal for the listener.
Other than the way, he pronounces Yanushkevich what did you find excruciating or incorrect?
Talking too fast, I can't understand him.
ikeike2, try using the settings icon to slow it down to 75% or 50% of normal speed.
Lol what a "professional" historian. Argumenting on the size of the airforce, ''because some guy just tought it would be cool to have an airforce''.
Technical backwardness, however the nation manages to fight against divisions Austrians, Germans, Turks at the same time.
Producing own machine guns, amo, building armored trains (better than german), building biggest airforce. Producing the first automatic rifle, the Federov rifle.
I don't think we are talking about a backward army here.
BTW Nicholas II became the chief commander in 1915, front was stabilized and ethnic population of Russian empire was more than 65 %.
Russia's problem was the disintegration of the regime's connection with the people and purpose of the war, worsened by corruption and material shortages. This wasn't a random event. Only one year of war, and with Japan, which threatened only Russia's remotest imperial ambitions rather than the nation, had been enough to trigger a precursor or a severe stress indicator in 1905. It's a bit of a wonder that Russia lasted about three years against the Central Powers. No land Russia lost to military defeat, or at Brest-Litovsk, even had a Russian population. Even modern Russia is without that land. Regime collapse and the civil war, which reflected Russia's real problems, were worse fates than losing to the Central Powers.
Russia was only the first of several to implode. When Bulgaria eventually collapsed in September 1918, the Central Powers lost the war. Ironically, Bulgaria quit the war because it had won the war in terms of what victory meant to Bulgaria, but it could not exit because this was World War 1, not Balkan War 3. With nothing else to gain, Bulgaria had passed the point of suffering and dying for the imperial aims of the other three Central Powers, and Bulgarians weren't willing to do that for long.
Austria-Hungary also imploded into fragments between the Bulgarian armistice and the general November armistice, but it was already showing breakdown stress. When your Emperor dies midwar and you only half bother to replace him, and when thousands of your own subjects and ex-POW are in the enemy trenches fighting you, your Empire is toast.
The war stressed all participants, it just didn't push them all over the edge. France had a mutiny, which came close. Britain experienced Irish rebellion, closely followed by actual loss of Ireland in a wave of voter rage, fully validating the rebellion. The Central Powers starved and rioted. The most mildly stressed belligerent was the United States and even it significantly changed, with the war driving the end of Progressivism and a hard switch to conservatism and isolation ("normalcy"), not only in November 1920 but in the armistice midterms of 1918.
'Professional' historian, accredited and respected, vs internet nobody with no references. Yup, I know who I am going to listen to.
TBF The only reason russia has a strong navy is because tsar Peter liked boating and ships as a kid. Ya might not like the answers but that is life under nobility and feudal lords.