i have way higher winrate with malignance into rylai when im support xerath, but in extented fights the best build is blackfire torch into liandry. the reason why i like malignance is because the ult cooldown allows me to roam towards mid and help them get a better lead. diamond elo. i have 2 builds i go depending on the situation. my farvorite is bft liandry shadowflame. the other is malignance rylais liandry.. my runes are always first strike, cashback cookies and jack of all trades, and then cutdown and presence of mind.
Your personal win rate honestly doesn't really mean much in terms of measuring the strength of a given rune setup/build, especially if the games are played on the same account. There's a couple of reasons: 1.) The game is always trying to get you back to 50 something % winrate. So if you play like 20 games on Malignance and have a 65% winrate for those games, you can be sure your next 20 on Ludens is going to balance you out a bit so you'll almost certainly have a lower WR on Ludens. 2.) The circumstances within the games differ too greatly to be able to compare one game to another. You could have 5 close games with Malignance that you won, that could have easily went the other way where maybe you only went 3/5 on Ludens but with much more consistent games. You could have have a 5-10 game stomp with any given item where you just have team gap every game. In general, the actual performance of the players in the game and the champions in the game are going to dictate things way more than the item you buy, etc. As for the reasoning behind using Malignance: >the reason why i like malignance is because the ult cooldown allows me to roam towards mid and help them get a better lead. diamond elo My argument would be you can roam mid with any build. Remember the difference in ULT CD in the worst case scenario at level 6 is 13 seconds. Realistically, for most players based on their runes it will probably be more like 11 seconds. So what you're basically saying when you say what you just said is that every game, or most games, you're finding a particular roam timing that would only work in that 8-13 second window you created for yourself by buying Malignance. I just don't see this as being very likely at all. As for blackfire, it really doesn't do damage than something like HF unless you're consistently hitting multiple people with it, or you're unable to get use out of hypershot, etc. It's certainly not an awful item, but it not really *better* than other items in long, drawn out fights, unless you're hitting multiple people at once consistently, or have a very high amount of AP. And in any combat situation that's *not* a prolonged engagement, like poke, it just loses incredibly hard to Ludens.
@@XerathDiff-js4mf ludens has a cd, blackfire dont, I also have an average of 97% hit chance with spells across 1k games on xerath. I do math on every game i play him instead of vs bots. I have multiple seasons with again an average of s tier performance over minimum 400 games on xerath alone. Yes ludens are stronger on first hit, but not on second or third compared to blackfire torch. I was also the Guy who made him a support pick few sesons ago becausr my math told People he really only have 2 counters in botlane if you know your matchups. And since Diamond Elo is top 5% of the world in a game where millions play i would like to know what your Elo is. Beside that, there is a huge difference in what gives most dmg and what gives most effective dmg. Again the strongest build right now is Blackfiretorch liandry shadowflame because shadowflame makes your Dots able to critt, and as soon people have more than 1800hp the liandry with critt makes it the strongest ap item in the game. They do it in europe, asia and america. Because all the high Elo players math says the same brother. Thay blackfire liandry shadowflame is the top tier dmg build for "most" mages. I have played the game since beta release and made the math behind multiple seasons Meta pick before they became the Meta. I was the one in the older days who wrote out to people that armor penetration builds was better at some adc, that Lucian was better at mid than adc, that cassio was the toplane Queen and more. I know my math is correct. But there is a huge difference in what makes the strongest 1 punch, and what makes the most effectice dmg in a fight on more than 18 seconds witch is the average lenght of team fights in higher Elo where people know what they are doing
@@OliverJacobsen777 A couple things. 1.) You don't. "Do the math every game". 2.) You don't have a 97% hit rate on Xerath. 3.) Your dots can only 'crit' on targets below 35% HP and 'critting' in this case entails a 1.2-1.3 damage multiplier. 4.) Diamond, presumably like D4 if you're saying only top 5%, is not a very high rank and if you have 400 games per season you should be well beyond diamond by now. Also, if you're d4 you're ABSOLUTELY not hitting 97% of your shots. If you were, you'd be higher. LOL Also, people have been playing Xerath support since the champion launched. LOL You also didn't reply to anything I said in my post where I was specifically replying to the claims you made. "Ludens has a CD" is not a reply to me saying that Ludens crushes any other first item rush on intermittent poke, which is the bread/butter of your gameplay.
@@XerathDiff-js4mf i do math every game and analyze my gameplay, I am top dmg in 95% of games I play on xerath and just because you make most dmg doesnt mean you win every game. And if multiple people who play for Even lcs teams are abusing this build it means it is stronger than any other build. Try the build out yourself and see your dmg go through the roof.
@@OliverJacobsen777 Also, as for this: >Beside that, there is a huge difference in what gives most dmg and what gives most effective dmg That is absolutely correct, and ludens does much more 'effective' damage than blackfire.
But Even though we disagree i still wish you well on UA-cam and the rift
i have way higher winrate with malignance into rylai when im support xerath, but in extented fights the best build is blackfire torch into liandry. the reason why i like malignance is because the ult cooldown allows me to roam towards mid and help them get a better lead. diamond elo. i have 2 builds i go depending on the situation. my farvorite is bft liandry shadowflame. the other is malignance rylais liandry.. my runes are always first strike, cashback cookies and jack of all trades, and then cutdown and presence of mind.
Your personal win rate honestly doesn't really mean much in terms of measuring the strength of a given rune setup/build, especially if the games are played on the same account.
There's a couple of reasons:
1.) The game is always trying to get you back to 50 something % winrate. So if you play like 20 games on Malignance and have a 65% winrate for those games, you can be sure your next 20 on Ludens is going to balance you out a bit so you'll almost certainly have a lower WR on Ludens.
2.) The circumstances within the games differ too greatly to be able to compare one game to another. You could have 5 close games with Malignance that you won, that could have easily went the other way where maybe you only went 3/5 on Ludens but with much more consistent games. You could have have a 5-10 game stomp with any given item where you just have team gap every game. In general, the actual performance of the players in the game and the champions in the game are going to dictate things way more than the item you buy, etc.
As for the reasoning behind using Malignance:
>the reason why i like malignance is because the ult cooldown allows me to roam towards mid and help them get a better lead. diamond elo
My argument would be you can roam mid with any build. Remember the difference in ULT CD in the worst case scenario at level 6 is 13 seconds. Realistically, for most players based on their runes it will probably be more like 11 seconds. So what you're basically saying when you say what you just said is that every game, or most games, you're finding a particular roam timing that would only work in that 8-13 second window you created for yourself by buying Malignance. I just don't see this as being very likely at all.
As for blackfire, it really doesn't do damage than something like HF unless you're consistently hitting multiple people with it, or you're unable to get use out of hypershot, etc. It's certainly not an awful item, but it not really *better* than other items in long, drawn out fights, unless you're hitting multiple people at once consistently, or have a very high amount of AP. And in any combat situation that's *not* a prolonged engagement, like poke, it just loses incredibly hard to Ludens.
@@XerathDiff-js4mf ludens has a cd, blackfire dont, I also have an average of 97% hit chance with spells across 1k games on xerath. I do math on every game i play him instead of vs bots. I have multiple seasons with again an average of s tier performance over minimum 400 games on xerath alone. Yes ludens are stronger on first hit, but not on second or third compared to blackfire torch. I was also the Guy who made him a support pick few sesons ago becausr my math told People he really only have 2 counters in botlane if you know your matchups.
And since Diamond Elo is top 5% of the world in a game where millions play i would like to know what your Elo is.
Beside that, there is a huge difference in what gives most dmg and what gives most effective dmg. Again the strongest build right now is Blackfiretorch liandry shadowflame because shadowflame makes your Dots able to critt, and as soon people have more than 1800hp the liandry with critt makes it the strongest ap item in the game. They do it in europe, asia and america. Because all the high Elo players math says the same brother. Thay blackfire liandry shadowflame is the top tier dmg build for "most" mages.
I have played the game since beta release and made the math behind multiple seasons Meta pick before they became the Meta. I was the one in the older days who wrote out to people that armor penetration builds was better at some adc, that Lucian was better at mid than adc, that cassio was the toplane Queen and more. I know my math is correct. But there is a huge difference in what makes the strongest 1 punch, and what makes the most effectice dmg in a fight on more than 18 seconds witch is the average lenght of team fights in higher Elo where people know what they are doing
@@OliverJacobsen777
A couple things.
1.) You don't. "Do the math every game".
2.) You don't have a 97% hit rate on Xerath.
3.) Your dots can only 'crit' on targets below 35% HP and 'critting' in this case entails a 1.2-1.3 damage multiplier.
4.) Diamond, presumably like D4 if you're saying only top 5%, is not a very high rank and if you have 400 games per season you should be well beyond diamond by now.
Also, if you're d4 you're ABSOLUTELY not hitting 97% of your shots. If you were, you'd be higher. LOL
Also, people have been playing Xerath support since the champion launched. LOL
You also didn't reply to anything I said in my post where I was specifically replying to the claims you made.
"Ludens has a CD" is not a reply to me saying that Ludens crushes any other first item rush on intermittent poke, which is the bread/butter of your gameplay.
@@XerathDiff-js4mf i do math every game and analyze my gameplay, I am top dmg in 95% of games I play on xerath and just because you make most dmg doesnt mean you win every game. And if multiple people who play for Even lcs teams are abusing this build it means it is stronger than any other build. Try the build out yourself and see your dmg go through the roof.
@@OliverJacobsen777 Also, as for this:
>Beside that, there is a huge difference in what gives most dmg and what gives most effective dmg
That is absolutely correct, and ludens does much more 'effective' damage than blackfire.